Jimmy Butler (Merged Threads)

[gouki88]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25083858/houston-rockets-offer-wolves-four-first-round-draft-picks-jimmy-butler

That sounds good but for late 1st round picks isn't that big of a deal...

That is very good depending on the protections.  Good chance Butler doesn't even re-sign with Houston.  How good is Houston going to be in 2023, 2025 or even 2021 when Paul will be 36 and Harden will be 32?  They don't have any young talent besides Capela.  Even the 2019 pick could be better than expected.  Paul's missed 20+ games the past two seasons.

That CP3 contract is going to very quickly be the worst one in the NBA I reckon

Paying 36 year old players not named Lebron 40M+ isn't a good idea.  The Wall contract will probably be the worst.

Oh yeah, jeesh, forgot how insane Wall's contract is. $47.6m for 32-33 year old John Wall is insanity

[SparzWizard]

 

[ederson]

 

valid point but getting Butler is the only solution for the Rockets since the Championship is their target. They are not going anywhere with this core and not getting any younger too (yes CP i am talking about you) . Losing Ariza and Moute has really hurt them

It is very risky but they don't have any other way of improving the team

[gouki88]

 

valid point but getting Butler is the only solution for the Rockets since the Championship is their target. They are not going anywhere with this core and not getting any younger too (yes CP i am talking about you) . Losing Ariza and Moute has really hurt them

It is very risky but they don't have any other way of improving the team

Agree with this. A trade like this for Butler gives them a chance at a championship. A chance they don't have with the inefficient choking chucker Gordon.

[Who]

Jimmy Butler and Mike D'Antoni do not seem like a good fit to me. Butler does not play offensively in a way that works for D'Antoni's offense. Throw in Carmelo Anthony on top of that and the Rockets offense will struggle to have the chemistry / cohesion of previous years.

Two guys (Harden, CP3) who want to play D'Antoni ball.
Two guys (Butler, Melo) who do not want to play D'Antoni ball.

Only 1 ball. 4 guys who need it. None who will play happily / effectively without it.

All guys who will break the offense to get their touches / shots.

[celticsclay]

Jimmy Butler and Mike D'Antoni do not seem like a good fit to me. Butler does not play offensively in a way that works for D'Antoni's offense. Throw in Carmelo Anthony on top of that and the Rockets offense will struggle to have the chemistry / cohesion of previous years.

Two guys (Harden, CP3) who want to play D'Antoni ball.
Two guys (Butler, Melo) who do not want to play D'Antoni ball.

Only 1 ball. 4 guys who need it. None who will play happily / effectively without it.

All guys who will break the offense to get their touches / shots.

What Carmelo wants at this point is fairly irrelevant. He is a bench player and not part of their future. They can cut him if he becomes an issue.

[Moranis]

Miami has re-engaged the Wolves after the report that the Rockets put 4 firsts on the table.  Minnesota apparently doesn't want to trade Butler to a team in the West and hasn't really engaged Houston, though that may be in part because they likely can't do a trade until next week anyway (when they can include Knight and Chriss).

[CelticSooner]

Jimmy Butler and Mike D'Antoni do not seem like a good fit to me. Butler does not play offensively in a way that works for D'Antoni's offense. Throw in Carmelo Anthony on top of that and the Rockets offense will struggle to have the chemistry / cohesion of previous years.

Two guys (Harden, CP3) who want to play D'Antoni ball.
Two guys (Butler, Melo) who do not want to play D'Antoni ball.

Only 1 ball. 4 guys who need it. None who will play happily / effectively without it.

All guys who will break the offense to get their touches / shots.

Morey laughs at chemistry and fit. Just go get the best guy he says 

[celticsclay]

Miami has re-engaged the Wolves after the report that the Rockets put 4 firsts on the table.  Minnesota apparently doesn't want to trade Butler to a team in the West and hasn't really engaged Houston, though that may be in part because they likely can't do a trade until next week anyway (when they can include Knight and Chriss).

Where does Miami rank in east with Butler?

[gouki88]

Miami has re-engaged the Wolves after the report that the Rockets put 4 firsts on the table.  Minnesota apparently doesn't want to trade Butler to a team in the West and hasn't really engaged Houston, though that may be in part because they likely can't do a trade until next week anyway (when they can include Knight and Chriss).

Where does Miami rank in east with Butler?

Depends a lot on what they give up

[Birdman]

My guess is that Minnesota doesnt want to trade him to an Western Conference team

[Surferdad]

Miami has re-engaged the Wolves after the report that the Rockets put 4 firsts on the table.  Minnesota apparently doesn't want to trade Butler to a team in the West and hasn't really engaged Houston, though that may be in part because they likely can't do a trade until next week anyway (when they can include Knight and Chriss).

Due to the restriction on trading consecutive year picks, it would have to be picks in 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2025.

[hwangjini_1]

though i may incorrect, i believe teams are not allowed to trade draft picks more than 5 years out.

so the deal might have resembled the boston-brooklyn deal and had first round swaps involved. or, maybe they have more than one pick in one of those years. then, trading would be all right.

[Moranis]

though i may incorrect, i believe teams are not allowed to trade draft picks more than 5 years out.

so the deal might have resembled the boston-brooklyn deal and had first round swaps involved. or, maybe they have more than one pick in one of those years. then, trading would be all right.

it is 7 years, so unless a team has other picks that can be traded they could only trade at most 4 picks (it may only be 3 if they can't trade the current year).  So for Houston the picks are 2019, 2021, 2023, and 2025.  If any of the picks have protections that end up not transferring, then the 2025 pick would have to become a 2nd rounder since it has to convey that year (i.e. 7 years out).

[hwangjini_1]

though i may incorrect, i believe teams are not allowed to trade draft picks more than 5 years out.

so the deal might have resembled the boston-brooklyn deal and had first round swaps involved. or, maybe they have more than one pick in one of those years. then, trading would be all right.

it is 7 years, so unless a team has other picks that can be traded they could only trade at most 4 picks (it may only be 3 if they can't trade the current year).  So for Houston the picks are 2019, 2021, 2023, and 2025.  If any of the picks have protections that end up not transferring, then the 2025 pick would have to become a 2nd rounder since it has to convey that year (i.e. 7 years out).

thanks for the information and a tp for your vast knowledge of the nba.