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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on June 10, 2018, 01:16:47 AM
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Raptors receive: Wiggins, Deng, Ball (edit: 19, 21 first round Laker picks)
Lakers receive: DeRozan
Timberwolves receive: Lowry
Each team will solve issues here; Raptor will rebuild with Wiggins locked in to a long term deal and given he is a Canadian star even if they struggle you will still get bums in seats, given they are rebuilding they can happily take Deng's poison contract and with it the sweetener of Ball.
Lakers get rid of the Ball headache and given they want to compete now he was obvious not ready and shows LeBron you are serious about fighting for a championship and bringing in all-star DeRozan is a nice step. During the past season Ingram has excelled at point guard and would make the perfect compliment to a DeRozan, James, George starting line up.
It's obvious that Wiggins is the weak link for Thibs and a swap for Lowry solves all issues including leadership and defence, a core of Lowry, Butler and Towns is much more balanced.
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What did the Raptors ever do to you? Wiggins for Lowry is not too bad but Deng and Ball for Derozan is horrible.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
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What did the Raptors ever do to you? Wiggins for Lowry is not too bad but Deng and Ball for Derozan is horrible.
Obviously there could be a first or two thrown in but you've got to look at DeRozen's market value who needs him atm that could offer Toronto anything? Ball on the other hand is still very young and is a valuable commodity even with his shooting problems, I was never a fan of his for the Celtics but the level of hate towards him has clouded the fact that he is a blue chip talent.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.
Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.
Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move
Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
I wouldn't take on Deng's contract for Ball. Giving up Derozan in that trade would be nuts. Any 1sts would be in the 20s so not worth much. If they put Derozan on the market, they'd get a good return.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.
Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move
Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.
Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move
Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all
Lonzo Ball ranks 26th in defensive rating, 13th in steals and 26th in defensive win share he is not a poor defender, his shooting is his main concern but so is Simmons and many other rookies in history. You seem to also forget that no one wanted Lowry or DeRozen in their youth but were developed and I would honestly like to hear a better return for DeRozen who is currently in his prime and on a max deal and is also a poor shooter.
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Raptors front office would be mad to do this
Why? Where is this current Raptors team getting you? They were destroyed by the Cavs and next season 76ers and the Celtics will surpass them too, teams like that are not worth luxury tax it would be wise to get some value for money now before Lowry (32) and DeRozen (28) become untradeable. Like i said before you would probably want a first round pick or two from Lakers for Deng but a fresh start seems like the best course of action after the firing of Casey.
Yeah, but trading someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history for a cancer of a contract, a rookie who has proven to be a playmaking headache, and picks that will likely be poor considering the ambitious front office and all their salary space would be a terrible move.
Moving Lowry is definitely a good move (same goes for Ibaka I think), but I think moving DeRozan for a pretty weak package would be a terrible move
Ohk, I understand where you are coming from but you (Raptors GM) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You are capped out and facing the lux tax and can make no significant changes to the current roster, you are being surpassed by 76ers and Celtics talent wise and if you only move Lowry, DeRozen will not want to be part of a rebuild and with the Lakers essentially being his dream destination the window for a trade there may only be this offseason. Like I alluded to before Ball has become criminally underrated because of his father and given you will be thousands of miles from LA and it's a hockey city, Toronto may be the best spot for him. A young core of Ball, Wiggins and OG Anunoby with a couple of late first is a fantastic starting spot for a rebuilding franchise.
You and I definitely value Ball and Wiggins differently. Ball is a weak defender who is a worse shooter than Marcus Smart, and Wiggins is an overpaid scorer who is only refuses to defend. That isn't a good return at all
Lonzo Ball ranks 26th in defensive rating, 13th in steals and 26th in defensive win share he is not a poor defender, his shooting is his main concern but so is Simmons and many other rookies in history. You seem to also forget that no one wanted Lowry or DeRozen in their youth but were developed and I would honestly like to hear a better return for DeRozen who is currently in his prime and on a max deal and is also a poor shooter.
Nene has a better defensive rating than Al Horford, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t regard that as a telling defensive stat. Same goes with defensive win shares, with both Simmons and Mitchell having more than Jrue Holiday, who wasn’t arguably the best guard defender this season.
Just because other poor shooters have developed a shot doesn’t mean Lonzo was. For someone who actually attempts 3’s he’s got the most broken shooting form I’ve ever seen.
I’m advocaring that Toronto don’t move DeRozan, so I’m not going to try and think of a better trade involving him
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I think this trade is great for all teams and it makes sense from the hometown perspective. I love it. TP OP
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I'd do the Lowery deal no doubt but dont see Wolves having 19 million dollar Teague come off the bench. If they can flip Teague it makes sense.
No on DeRozan from Raptors perspective. Just no value in that deal for them. DeRozan is a top 5 SG and legit max player. You don't deal him for a bad contract and Ball.
How about just Raptors and Wolves deal
Lowry and Ibaka
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Teague and Wiggins.
Raptors=Teague, DeRozan, Wiggins, Si, Val
Wolves=Lowry, Crawford, Butler, Ibaka, Towns
It's a shake up but I don't think it changes much.
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Why would a Celtics Fan make a trade to help the Lakers? Name one good reason....
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Yikes.
Terrible for the Raptors.
Even worse for the Wolves. Lowry and Tuegue both tying up 40 mil at their PG slot. No thanks.
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Besides it being a terrible return for the Rapters, the notion that you'd do a complete tear down of the best regular season team in the East is not based in reality. Just because they play like crap against Lebron doesn't mean they would have against us.
Moving Lowry and Ibaka, if that's possible, makes sense to try to reformulate the team. Moving Derozan for anything less than a star level return doesn't. He's in his prime, playing at the top of his game and has 3 years left on a reasonable contract.
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Don't see why Toronto or Minny would do this. Not a great idea for the Lakers to give up 2019 and 2021 picks if they're unprotected either depending on what they do in FA.
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Congrats.
You just came up with the first three way trade proposal in which all three teams get worse.
TP
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If the Raptors did that trade, then their entire FO should be fired on the spot.