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I have absolutely no idea whether Josh Smith is a SF or PF.I always thought more of a PF, but then saw he's listed as SF on trade machine. And I thought: "Well, yeah that makes sense, because he's a bit small to match up against the bigger PFs of the league" Then I thought: "Well, but he can't really shoot that well for a SF and I think a SF needs to be able to shoot"So what is he? The idea of "bigger PFs" is kind of disappearing around the league. Former all-star PFs with height like Bosh, KG, Duncan, Brand, and Jermaine Oneal have all become centers over the past couple years. Pau, Dirk, Aldridge, and Randolph are the only 4 PFs left in the league who use their height/size to trouble smaller defenders. Amare could but I'm not sure if he's really a PF and he doesn't really trouble anyone anymore anyways.I'm gonna say Smith is a PF in today's NBA. Thoughts?
I'm gonna say Smith is a PF in today's NBA. Thoughts?
The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did. Both contracts are proportional over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Quote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 08:37:44 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:33:27 AMHouston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.I don't think they would have to give up that much -They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.
Quote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:33:27 AMHouston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.
Houston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
Quote from: Who on January 17, 2013, 09:06:24 AMThe Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did. Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htmhttp://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/
The Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did. Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.
Season Salary Notes1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-122 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 13 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise34 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salaryTotal $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap roomFor the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary.
Quote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:44:21 AMQuote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 08:37:44 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:33:27 AMHouston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.I don't think they would have to give up that much -They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.
Quote from: pearljammer10 on January 17, 2013, 11:15:26 AMQuote from: Who on January 17, 2013, 09:06:24 AMThe Jeremy Lin + Omer Asik contracts aren't backloaded.They would have been if New York and Chicago matched their offer sheet but neither did. Both contracts are proportional (edit: average salary) over three year duration. A little under $8.5 million each.Can anyone else confirm this? Or at least further explain. I am under the impression based on articles and conversations I have had with others that they are indeed backloaded...http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htmhttp://basketball.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=basketball&cdn=sports&tm=51&f=10&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=8&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/bulls-free-agent-center-omer-asik-accepts-rockets-three-year-offer/Shamsports and Storytellers both have Lin and Asik at $8.375 million per season for each of the three years. Here is a link to Larry Coon's summary of the Gilbert Arenas provision. Here as an example from that website:QuoteSeason Salary Notes1 $5,000,000 Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level amount for 2011-122 $5,225,000 4.5% raise over season 13 $12,628,613 This is the amount that yields $25.775 million over the final two seasons with a 4.1% raise34 $13,146,387 Raise is 4.1% of season 3 salaryTotal $36,000,000 Average is $9 million, which equals the team's cap roomFor the team making this offer, this contract would count for $9.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the four seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary. So they would've been backloaded for Chicago or New York if either team matched. But since neither did, Houston is charged with the average figure of contract (the quoted part in brown font). That is my understanding. Note: It's the average. Not proportional as I said earlier. I was wrong. No increases. Same figure each year. The average of the contract.
My hope is that Smith wants to play here enough to demand a trade. Also, he should put the word out he will not re-sign with Atlanta or any team other than Boston that trades for him.
Quote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 11:32:47 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:44:21 AMQuote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 08:37:44 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:33:27 AMHouston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.I don't think they would have to give up that much -They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.Why? Who are they bidding against? Dallas can't give Atlanta squat. Same with Memphis. What other team out there both wants to acquire Josh Smith and can do better?All signs are that Atlanta doesn't want anything to do with him past this year. They're going to want some return, but they've got no leverage. He's not that in demand anymore.
Quote from: KGs Knee on January 18, 2013, 01:50:38 AMMy hope is that Smith wants to play here enough to demand a trade. Also, he should put the word out he will not re-sign with Atlanta or any team other than Boston that trades for him.
Quote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 12:06:35 PMQuote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 11:32:47 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:44:21 AMQuote from: slamtheking on January 17, 2013, 08:37:44 AMQuote from: StartOrien on January 17, 2013, 08:33:27 AMHouston, on the other hand could be a very interesting fit. The spacing with Asik and Smith is somewhat concerning - particularly with two guards who prefer to drive - but I like the idea of Smith being added to a team who likes to run, and he'd be a great defensive front court partner with Asik. I think Houston's primary target is, and should be, Paul Milisap. But Josh Smith wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.I agree -- Houston would seem to be a better trading partner. plenty of young players to ship to Atlanta that could help them build for the future. Houston with Harden, Asik, Lin and Smith as the core would make some noise in the west. if they could hold on to Parsons too, that's a dangerous team for anyone out there to face.I don't think they would have to give up that much -They know Josh Smith is going to free agency this summer and they know Atlanta won't resign him. If this goes to the summer they're probably in a two man race for him with Dallas.And I don't see that many great fits for Smith right now. So I think Houston has leverage. I say Patterson and a first is plenty to get it done if Houston wants to.I think they'll have to cough up much more than Patterson and a 1st. At least 3 prospects and a pick. Jones, White (if ATL thinks they can get him on the court), Patterson and a pick would probably be the minimum.Why? Who are they bidding against? Dallas can't give Atlanta squat. Same with Memphis. What other team out there both wants to acquire Josh Smith and can do better?All signs are that Atlanta doesn't want anything to do with him past this year. They're going to want some return, but they've got no leverage. He's not that in demand anymore.I can't see Houston as the only suitor for Smith. Boston can do better than that by offering Bass, Lee, Melo and a pick which would be worth a lot more than Patterson and a pick. Other teams would want Smith so 1 unproven prospect and a middle-of-the-round pick in a crappy draft won't net them an all-star like Smith