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Title: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Walter Moss on September 23, 2017, 01:10:25 PM
The Thunder would send Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and the Bulls' 2018 second round pick to the Knicks for Carmelo Anthony.

per Woj
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
Here's Woj' tweet

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account
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New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Joyride on September 23, 2017, 01:19:00 PM
Love this deal for OKC. They get stronger and make it tougher for Golden State. Don't forget the Lakers are going to have an even harder time in the crowded West.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
Who is the third option? That's a tough fit, but fun if it works.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 01:23:19 PM
This will either be really fun to watch or become an absolute dumpster fire. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Boris Badenov on September 23, 2017, 01:23:50 PM
The Knicks somehow managed to trade away Carmelo Anthony and get worse defensively.

Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: jpotter33 on September 23, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: The One on September 23, 2017, 01:27:33 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

jp...speaking the truth again!
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: dreamgreen on September 23, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
That's exciting! Hope that makes OKC a power house and keeps PG there for good!
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Roy H. on September 23, 2017, 01:28:28 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Birdman on September 23, 2017, 01:28:37 PM
Has Melo agree to it
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: RJ87 on September 23, 2017, 01:29:19 PM
Russ - Roberson - PG - Melo - Adams

That's a great combo of offense and defense.

Just when I was ready to the 1 Team league pass package....
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: bdm860 on September 23, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
Man this Ringer tweet on the East vs West just gets more and more true:

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/882305476247072768
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: iadera on September 23, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
The Knicks somehow managed to trade away Carmelo Anthony and get worse defensively.

 :D
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: GreenWarrior on September 23, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: RJ87 on September 23, 2017, 01:33:23 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
Man this Ringer tweet on the East vs West just gets more and more true:

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/882305476247072768

That tweet is amazing.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: footey on September 23, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.

Too soon to say. If you mean for LA 2018, possibly, but could make Sacramento 2019 pick more valuable. The pick is so variable it really is difficult to give it a value today.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticD on September 23, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
Sheesh what is this the 4th or 5th All-star to go out west this offseason? It's frustrating how bad the East is gonna be next season.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 23, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Sheesh what is this the 4th or 5th All-star to go out west this offseason? It's frustrating how bad the East is gonna be next season.

Hayward should make the AS game easily!
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: RJ87 on September 23, 2017, 01:37:01 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

There's a lot to be said for Melo, but he's dynamic when paired with other stars - look no further than the Olympics.

As far as him being a "winner", let's not pretend the Nuggets teams he was on weren't good. Unlike the great revered leader that is Chris Paul, Melo's actually been to a conference finals.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: cman88 on September 23, 2017, 01:37:01 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.

not necessarily. The stronger the west is, the more likely the lakers are going to be bad enough to give us that pick

but what crazy player movement this season? so many stars switching teams and not only that, going out west.

The east is going to be pretty bad this season. Only good teams I see are cavs, celtics, wizards....then everyone else.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: jpotter33 on September 23, 2017, 01:38:23 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.

Eh, somewhat, as at this point I'm not sure if we'll get LA's pick or Sacramento's pick.

But on the other hand, it makes quite a bit of sense since (1) we now have a young franchise point guard anyways (rendering Fultz redundant) and (2) it seems pretty clear that Danny wanted Tatum all along and rated him similarly to Fultz, meaning the trade just gained us a free asset.

At this point, I'd definitely rather have Kyrie, Tatum, and the LA pick than IT, Fultz, Crowder, Zizic, and the Brooklyn pick, especially given the hindsight of IT's injury.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: BitterJim on September 23, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

I'm not a huge fan of Carmelo Anthony, but this is ridiculous.  He was a great player for the Nuggets, and there's a reason he made the playoffs each of the first 10 years of his career. It's one thing to say he's a nothing player now, but he's not just "living off his college career"
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: jpotter33 on September 23, 2017, 01:44:34 PM
Sheesh what is this the 4th or 5th All-star to go out west this offseason? It's frustrating how bad the East is gonna be next season.

Hayward should make the AS game easily!

Kyrie, Gordon, and Al are all pretty much locks to make it at this point. Last year's East team lost FOUR forwards this year in Melo, PG, Butler, and Millsap! And with IT being doubtful due to his injury, Kyrie's a lock, too.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: saltlover on September 23, 2017, 01:45:42 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.

More bad teams in the East mean they trade wins and losses with each other.  More quality in the West means every win is that much harder for the Lakers.  The Lakers could be a better team this year but wind up with the same record.

My only regret with the Fultz trade is I think Ainge should have received the pick if it were 2-6 instead of 2-5.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 01:46:01 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: BitterJim on September 23, 2017, 01:47:18 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

I can't.  The 2015-16 Thunder did, but that was a better Thunder team playing against a worse Warriors team.

Durant+Ibaka>George+Melo, and Barnes<<<Durant
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: greece66 on September 23, 2017, 01:51:59 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

I can't.  The 2015-16 Thunder did, but that was a better Thunder team playing against a worse Warriors team.

Durant+Ibaka>George+Melo, and Barnes<<<Durant
Barnes?  ???
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Donoghus on September 23, 2017, 02:04:43 PM

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The Ringer‏Verified account
@ringer

27 active players have made multiple All-NBA teams. 22 play in the West, 4 in the East, and one is a free agent.
10:59 AM - 23 Sep 2017
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 02:06:07 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Tr1boy on September 23, 2017, 02:06:51 PM
Adams
Melo
Roberson
PG13
RW

Not bad. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: PhoSita on September 23, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
The Knicks are bad but much more fun now.


Ntilikina, Hardaway, McDermott, Porzingis, Kanter

I'd watch that lineup run Hornacek's PHX offense.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Tr1boy on September 23, 2017, 02:07:58 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

Not really

As long as one or two of melo , pg13, rw are on the court at all times...
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Man this Ringer tweet on the East vs West just gets more and more true:

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/882305476247072768

That tweet is amazing.
Agreed. TP to bdm for posting it
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: hpantazo on September 23, 2017, 02:11:17 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: BitterJim on September 23, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

I can't.  The 2015-16 Thunder did, but that was a better Thunder team playing against a worse Warriors team.

Durant+Ibaka>George+Melo, and Barnes<<<Durant
Barnes?  ???

He was the starting SF for the 2015-16 Warriors, Durant is the starting SF for the 2017-18 Warriors
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 02:20:15 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

What bench?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: RJ87 on September 23, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

Melo's not opting out of $27m next season, so they've got him for 2 years. And if this team goes far - say the conference finals - does PG really walk away to the Lakers? Maybe he does, but OKC actually being good will make it tough.

As far as the bench, Patrick Paterson is an underrated piece. Raymond Felton has shown himself to be a capable guard off the bench. They kept Alex Abrines and Terrence Ferguson out of this deal. They'll need some type of development from Jerami Grant, but you can stagger the minutes of the starters and make the bench more than functional.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Tr1boy on September 23, 2017, 02:25:45 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: blackbird on September 23, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
When the Knicks play a lineup of Kanter, Noah, O'Quinn, Porzingis and Hernangomez will it be the tallest ever?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: bdm860 on September 23, 2017, 02:30:36 PM

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The Ringer‏Verified account
@ringer

27 active players have made multiple All-NBA teams. 22 play in the West, 4 in the East, and one is a free agent.
10:59 AM - 23 Sep 2017

On the plus side, only 5 active players have made the All-NBA team 8 or more times, and 3 are in the East.  So the East has that going for it, which is nice.

Link. (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=total&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_active=Y&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&award=all-nba-n&order_by=ws)

1   LeBron James   2005   2017   TOT   NBA   13
2   Dirk Nowitzki   2001   2012   DAL   NBA   12
3   Dwight Howard   2007   2014   TOT   NBA   8
4   Chris Paul   2008   2016   TOT   NBA   8
5   Dwyane Wade   2005   2013   MIA   NBA   8
6   Kevin Durant   2010   2017   TOT   NBA   7
7   Carmelo Anthony   2006   2013   TOT   NBA   6
8   Russell Westbrook   2011   2017   OKC   NBA   6
9   LaMarcus Aldridge   2011   2016   TOT   NBA   4
10   Stephen Curry   2014   2017   GSW   NBA   4
11   Pau Gasol   2009   2015   TOT   NBA   4
12   Blake Griffin   2012   2015   LAC   NBA   4
13   James Harden   2013   2017   HOU   NBA   4
14   Tony Parker   2009   2014   SAS   NBA   4
15   Paul Pierce   2002   2009   BOS   NBA   4
16   Paul George   2013   2016   IND   NBA   3
17   DeAndre Jordan   2015   2017   LAC   NBA   3
18   Vince Carter   2000   2001   TOR   NBA   2
19   DeMarcus Cousins   2015   2016   SAC   NBA   2
20   Anthony Davis   2015   2017   NOP   NBA   2
21   Marc Gasol   2013   2015   MEM   NBA   2
22   Manu Ginobili   2008   2011   SAS   NBA   2
23   Draymond Green   2016   2017   GSW   NBA   2
24   Kawhi Leonard   2016   2017   SAS   NBA   2
25   Damian Lillard   2014   2016   POR   NBA   2
26   Kevin Love   2012   2014   MIN   NBA   2
27   Klay Thompson   2015   2016   GSW   NBA   2
28   Deron Williams   2008   2010   UTA   NBA   2
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 02:31:33 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Tr1boy on September 23, 2017, 02:41:33 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.

But why? He has many of the top records already

Yes he could win more championships but winning 3 is good enough

He can make his money in other ways. He is already filthy rich.  And you think he wants to keep moving around?  He knows what he did to cleveland can only happen once

He is not going to the lakers and play with ball or deal with a pain like Lavar either

And he is not going to keep playing with this cavs roster to hit the wall in the finals. I predict he will retire either after this season or next and abruptly
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: ThePaintedArea on September 23, 2017, 02:42:26 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

Good point; there's Patrick Patterson followed by Nick Collison, Raymond Felton, and a lot of uncertainty. An opportunity for Josh Huestis, if he can take it.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
OKC will be a FUN team to watch this year (along with Minnesota and Boston)  ;D

But I also think this move could mean "George-To-LAL" or "Westbrook-To-LAL" hype is close to dead.

Especially if OKC gels, hard to see either going to the Lakers after this season, and Westbrook and Ball both CAN NOT co-exist on the same team.

Some of my Lakers friends are MAD at this move b/c they think George stays in OKC now  :laugh:

But also because the West continues to get STACKED.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: keevsnick on September 23, 2017, 02:52:41 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

I don't care if you literally have 8 mannequins for a bench, you trade that pile of garbage for George/Melo a hundred time out of a hundred. Even if both stick around for only one year you could argue that just getting Kanters and Oladipos salary off the books is a win.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: keevsnick on September 23, 2017, 02:55:27 PM
OKC will be a FUN team to watch this year (along with Minnesota and Boston)  ;D

But I also think this move could mean "George-To-LAL" or "Westbrook-To-LAL" hype is close to dead.

Especially if OKC gels, hard to see either going to the Lakers after this season, and Westbrook and Ball both CAN NOT co-exist on the same team.

Some of my Lakers friends are MAD at this move b/c they think George stays in OKC now  :laugh:

But also because the West continues to get STACKED.

There are a lot of teams in the west now that will have to prove themselves. Can Cousins and Davis coexist? Can OKC gel? Will Paul and Harden work together? Will Minnesota's Talent win out over fit? Depending on how these questions are answered we could have ZERO major movement next offseason, or another crazy one.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 02:57:47 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

Not really

As long as one or two of melo , pg13, rw are on the court at all times...
Until they put Raymond Felton and Kyle singler in the game and then what?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 02:58:08 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
okc
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: RJ87 on September 23, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.

But why? He has many of the top records already

Yes he could win more championships but winning 3 is good enough

He can make his money in other ways. He is already filthy rich.  And you think he wants to keep moving around?  He knows what he did to cleveland can only happen once

He is not going to the lakers and play with ball or deal with a pain like Lavar either

And he is not going to keep playing with this cavs roster to hit the wall in the finals. I predict he will retire either after this season or next and abruptly

There's plenty more to play for. I don't understand this line of thinking. He currently sits 7th on the NBA's all-time scoring list, 12th in assists. 1 more MVP win puts him on MJ's and Bill Russell's level, 2 more matches Kareem's all-time record.

LeBron's playing for history at this point.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Who on September 23, 2017, 03:06:15 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: kozlodoev on September 23, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
This will either be really fun to watch or become an absolute dumpster fire.
One doesn't preclude the other.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
Give Presti and Co. credit. They've acquired two star players - one firmly in his prime - to pair with a reigning MVP in exchange for Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, Domantis Sabonis, Doug McDermott, and a Chicago 2nd rounder.
one year rental of both.  Gutted bench

Not really

As long as one or two of melo , pg13, rw are on the court at all times...
Until they put Raymond Felton and Kyle singler in the game and then what?
Felton should be significantly better than the backup PGs that they had last year and Singler won't see the court much.  Felton, Abrines, Patterson and Grant will be their bench. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 03:12:52 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
2-way wings are expensive so that is a pipe dream.  They have Arines to provide some offense off the bench. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 03:14:31 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
okc
How is that going to work?  Lebron isn't going to take the MLE. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: stes on September 23, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
I could see D.Wade joining the OKC after getting bought out sometime this season. I'm not saying it would work out well, but he's a 2 guard and they definitely could use one
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 03:28:51 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Eddie20 on September 23, 2017, 03:37:34 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.

What an odd prediction.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: greece66 on September 23, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
You seriously underestimate how valuable LeBron is if you think his contract is a loss of money.

Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticSooner on September 23, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
You get a superteam, you get a superteam, you get a superteam, and you a get superteam!

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8axeIHNapWA/WJH2i3OeqsI/AAAAAAAAX90/SjYJ8ccsSaQF-bFa0SqBCpjgmL3TyZw5ACLcB/s1600/Aprovacao%2Baplauso%2Bfelicidade%2Bglorificar%2Bde%2Bpe%2B1.gif)
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 03:46:32 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
"Keeps them in lottery hell"?  What the heck does that mean?  As long as they have Lebron they'll be a playoff team in the weak East.  They traded Irving because he demanded a traded and our offer was by far the best.  That Nets pick can be used to rebuild  if Lebron leaves but it could also be used in a trade to acquire more talent to put around Lebron if he stays. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 23, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
You get a superteam, you get a superteam, you get a superteam, and you a get superteam!

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8axeIHNapWA/WJH2i3OeqsI/AAAAAAAAX90/SjYJ8ccsSaQF-bFa0SqBCpjgmL3TyZw5ACLcB/s1600/Aprovacao%2Baplauso%2Bfelicidade%2Bglorificar%2Bde%2Bpe%2B1.gif)
3 good players and a completely gutted bench is a superteam?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Who on September 23, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
2-way wings are expensive so that is a pipe dream.  They have Arines to provide some offense off the bench.

They don't need someone who is a high level player on both ends. Just someone who isn't a liability. Roberson is too much of a liability on offense against top teams in the playoffs to play in lineups with another non-shooter in Steven Adams.

They should try to trade him for someone with more balance.

Solid offense & average defense instead of elite defense and bad offense.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:56:59 PM
You get a superteam, you get a superteam, you get a superteam, and you a get superteam!

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8axeIHNapWA/WJH2i3OeqsI/AAAAAAAAX90/SjYJ8ccsSaQF-bFa0SqBCpjgmL3TyZw5ACLcB/s1600/Aprovacao%2Baplauso%2Bfelicidade%2Bglorificar%2Bde%2Bpe%2B1.gif)

Hoping this is the Celtics next summer, with Ainge making a trade for another star to create OUR superteam  8) (with hopefully a decent bench too)
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Who on September 23, 2017, 03:57:08 PM
I could see D.Wade joining the OKC after getting bought out sometime this season. I'm not saying it would work out well, but he's a 2 guard and they definitely could use one

Ooh, I like that. Wade would be a great 6th man for that group. Keep 2-3 scorers on the floor at all times. I don't like Wade as a starter though. Not enough balls to keep those 4 guys happy at the same time.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Tr1boy on September 23, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
Adams and roberson are perfect for defensive purposes

Presti comesout another winner here
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: PAOBoston on September 23, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
Thoughts:

1. Presti deserves a raise after offloading both Oladipdo and Kanter contracts and somehow getting PG13 and Melo.

2. It's kind of an odd fit but they should definitely be able to score points.

3. Don't think they have really good depth (like at all).

4. Lakers pick looking a little bit better.

5. Another swing and miss by CLE in trying to get another player in to help Lebron.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 23, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
That's a ton of talent, but the fit is fairly dubious, and the West is so absurdly stacked that a Conference Finals appearance would feel like a major overachievement.

This will be a big test for Melo - he has great players around him for the first time in a long time. If he keeps trying to play hero ball it's going to implode. If he can change his game to be primarily a spot-up and single dribble shooter, help move the ball, find spots to attack the boards and make at least a mediocre defensive effort, the team...will probably still lose in the 2nd round. MAN the West is stacked.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 04:29:33 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
2-way wings are expensive so that is a pipe dream.  They have Arines to provide some offense off the bench.

They don't need someone who is a high level player on both ends. Just someone who isn't a liability. Roberson is too much of a liability on offense against top teams in the playoffs to play in lineups with another non-shooter in Steven Adams.

They should try to trade him for someone with more balance.

Solid offense & average defense instead of elite defense and bad offense.
So name names.  Who should they get? 

I'd rather have Roberson's elite defense and then Abrines bringing some offense off the bench.  Roberson and Adams wouldn't necessarily be in they're closing lineup especially against GSW.  They could go with Russ, PG, Melo, Patterson and Grant or Russ, Abrines, PG, Melo and Grant. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Thoughts:

1. Presti deserves a raise after offloading both Oladipdo and Kanter contracts and somehow getting PG13 and Melo.

2. It's kind of an odd fit but they should definitely be able to score points.

3. Don't think they have really good depth (like at all).

4. Lakers pick looking a little bit better.

5. Another swing and miss by CLE in trying to get another player in to help Lebron.
Felton, Abrines, Patterson and Grant are solid depth. 

No indication that the Cavs even made an offer for Melo.  He just put them on his trade list. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: stes on September 23, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
2-way wings are expensive so that is a pipe dream.  They have Arines to provide some offense off the bench.

They don't need someone who is a high level player on both ends. Just someone who isn't a liability. Roberson is too much of a liability on offense against top teams in the playoffs to play in lineups with another non-shooter in Steven Adams.

They should try to trade him for someone with more balance.

Solid offense & average defense instead of elite defense and bad offense.
So name names.  Who should they get? 

I'd rather have Roberson's elite defense and then Abrines bringing some offense off the bench.  Roberson and Adams wouldn't necessarily be in they're closing lineup especially against GSW.  They could go with Russ, PG, Melo, Patterson and Grant or Russ, Abrines, PG, Melo and Grant.

They should have traded for Avery. Not shure that they could afford him, though I guess Marcus Morris is a beatable trade chip. That team would be nasty. still will be fun to watch, even though I don't think Melo is a superstar anymore, I doubt anyone believes that
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticSooner on September 23, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
You get a superteam, you get a superteam, you get a superteam, and you a get superteam!

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8axeIHNapWA/WJH2i3OeqsI/AAAAAAAAX90/SjYJ8ccsSaQF-bFa0SqBCpjgmL3TyZw5ACLcB/s1600/Aprovacao%2Baplauso%2Bfelicidade%2Bglorificar%2Bde%2Bpe%2B1.gif)
3 good players and a completely gutted bench is a superteam?

Yes on paper I'd consider any team with 3 current All Star players a superteam. Hence the word "current"
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticSooner on September 23, 2017, 04:40:27 PM
You get a superteam, you get a superteam, you get a superteam, and you a get superteam!

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8axeIHNapWA/WJH2i3OeqsI/AAAAAAAAX90/SjYJ8ccsSaQF-bFa0SqBCpjgmL3TyZw5ACLcB/s1600/Aprovacao%2Baplauso%2Bfelicidade%2Bglorificar%2Bde%2Bpe%2B1.gif)

Hoping this is the Celtics next summer, with Ainge making a trade for another star to create OUR superteam  8) (with hopefully a decent bench too)
Anthony Davis will be wearing green either next summer or the year after IMO.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
Now they need to get rid of Roberson and replace him with a two-way SG.

Then they have a starting 5 that can go toe-to-toe with the Warriors.
2-way wings are expensive so that is a pipe dream.  They have Arines to provide some offense off the bench.

They don't need someone who is a high level player on both ends. Just someone who isn't a liability. Roberson is too much of a liability on offense against top teams in the playoffs to play in lineups with another non-shooter in Steven Adams.

They should try to trade him for someone with more balance.

Solid offense & average defense instead of elite defense and bad offense.
So name names.  Who should they get? 

I'd rather have Roberson's elite defense and then Abrines bringing some offense off the bench.  Roberson and Adams wouldn't necessarily be in they're closing lineup especially against GSW.  They could go with Russ, PG, Melo, Patterson and Grant or Russ, Abrines, PG, Melo and Grant.

They should have traded for Avery. Not shure that they could afford him, though I guess Marcus Morris is a beatable trade chip. That team would be nasty. still will be fun to watch, even though I don't think Melo is a superstar anymore, I doubt anyone believes that
Morris is better than anyone OKC had to give up.  Plus Avery is going to be looking for a big pay day next offseason. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: PAOBoston on September 23, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
Thoughts:

1. Presti deserves a raise after offloading both Oladipdo and Kanter contracts and somehow getting PG13 and Melo.

2. It's kind of an odd fit but they should definitely be able to score points.

3. Don't think they have really good depth (like at all).

4. Lakers pick looking a little bit better.

5. Another swing and miss by CLE in trying to get another player in to help Lebron.
Felton, Abrines, Patterson and Grant are solid depth. 

No indication that the Cavs even made an offer for Melo.  He just put them on his trade list.
Solid? I would say that is a stretch and that is being kind. That bench is poor. They need to add a buy out guy/FA to bolster it.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: nickagneta on September 23, 2017, 05:10:02 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
"Keeps them in lottery hell"?  What the heck does that mean?  As long as they have Lebron they'll be a playoff team in the weak East.  They traded Irving because he demanded a traded and our offer was by far the best.  That Nets pick can be used to rebuild  if Lebron leaves but it could also be used in a trade to acquire more talent to put around Lebron if he stays.
They paid $45 million in luxury tax last year for a team that got wiped out in the Finals. They will have to pay the repeater tax this year on $140 million team salary and still won't be any closer to a title. If they resign Lebron and IT they will be approaching $170 million team salary again on a repeater tax.

They will be losing huge gobs of money to lose in the Finals if they are lucky enough to get there. There comes a time when they will have to say, Lebron's $35+ million just isn't worth it.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 23, 2017, 05:32:02 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
"Keeps them in lottery hell"?  What the heck does that mean?  As long as they have Lebron they'll be a playoff team in the weak East.  They traded Irving because he demanded a traded and our offer was by far the best.  That Nets pick can be used to rebuild  if Lebron leaves but it could also be used in a trade to acquire more talent to put around Lebron if he stays.
They paid $45 million in luxury tax last year for a team that got wiped out in the Finals. They will have to pay the repeater tax this year on $140 million team salary and still won't be any closer to a title. If they resign Lebron and IT they will be approaching $170 million team salary again on a repeater tax.

They will be losing huge gobs of money to lose in the Finals if they are lucky enough to get there. There comes a time when they will have to say, Lebron's $35+ million just isn't worth it.
It is not "luxury tax hell" if you make the finals.  I don't know how much the Cavs make but GSW earns 10M for each playoff home game.  That covers a lot of luxury tax.  The Cavs aren't losing gobs of money.  They only showed up as losing money after revenue sharing and they didn't show up as losing money using the operating income methodology.  Lebron brings them much more money than his salary costs them.  If he leaves, they will truly be losing money and need revenue sharing to offset their losses. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 23, 2017, 05:37:17 PM
The idea that the Cavs are "losing gobs of money" paying for a roster featuring LeBron seem to reveal a rather curious and odd understanding of the business side of NBA. You really think Cleveland is losing money on a guy who recently signed a billion-dollar show deal? You do understand what played into him getting that billion-dollar shoe deal in the first place, right? Somehow Nike thinks LeBron is worth a billion-dollar investment, yet the Cavs are in the red with him? Sure...
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Fred Roberts on September 23, 2017, 05:49:33 PM
OKC getting aggressive. Awesome moves. This will be very fun to watch (for 1 season).

Mellow may be in an island of losing again after this season, as I doubt he opts out.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: mef730 on September 23, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.

More bad teams in the East mean they trade wins and losses with each other.  More quality in the West means every win is that much harder for the Lakers.  The Lakers could be a better team this year but wind up with the same record.

My only regret with the Fultz trade is I think Ainge should have received the pick if it were 2-6 instead of 2-5.

This. Having six to eight bad teams means that there is a much higher chance of wins and losses among those teams being spread evenly.

The only argument that one could make against it, and it certainly has merit, is that the Knicks with Melo have a much better chance of beating LA in the two games that they play than without him. But it probably also means another win or two for all of the other east bottom feeders.

Mike
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: GreenWarrior on September 23, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

I'm not a huge fan of Carmelo Anthony, but this is ridiculous.  He was a great player for the Nuggets, and there's a reason he made the playoffs each of the first 10 years of his career. It's one thing to say he's a nothing player now, but he's not just "living off his college career"

wow I give you and the other poster that quoted me credit. and I actually agree with both of you... in a sense.

most people don't seem to acknowledge his time with the nuggets, because the talk about Melo is usually "he doesn't win" and the reply is "that's because he hasn't played with anyone". I believe his success in Denver had more to do with the team around him.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: bdm860 on September 23, 2017, 06:31:25 PM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Can't disagree with this more. Lebron is going to be around until late in his 30's. He still has about $150+ million to earn and he is still in amazing physical condition.

Don't know where he will play as Cleveland is looking less and less likely to keep him, but Lebron will be around a while.
Where is Lebron going to go where he can be competitive?  Lakers would have no chance in the West unless Lebron and 2 other top stars take a lot less than Max to go there.  In the East, he'd be more competitive staying on the Cavs than any other team he could feasibly go to.
True but I also don't think Cleveland ownership will want him back at another outrageous salary that keeps them in lottery hell. There's just so much money they can lose yearly before they come to the decision that Lebron just isn't worth it fiscally. I just think Cleveland might be at that point right now, otherwise why trade for the Brooklyn pick if not to rebuild without Lebron?
"Keeps them in lottery hell"?  What the heck does that mean?  As long as they have Lebron they'll be a playoff team in the weak East.  They traded Irving because he demanded a traded and our offer was by far the best.  That Nets pick can be used to rebuild  if Lebron leaves but it could also be used in a trade to acquire more talent to put around Lebron if he stays.
They paid $45 million in luxury tax last year for a team that got wiped out in the Finals. They will have to pay the repeater tax this year on $140 million team salary and still won't be any closer to a title. If they resign Lebron and IT they will be approaching $170 million team salary again on a repeater tax.

They will be losing huge gobs of money to lose in the Finals if they are lucky enough to get there. There comes a time when they will have to say, Lebron's $35+ million just isn't worth it.
It is not "luxury tax hell" if you make the finals.  I don't know how much the Cavs make but GSW earns 10M for each playoff home game.  That covers a lot of luxury tax.  The Cavs aren't losing gobs of money.  They only showed up as losing money after revenue sharing and they didn't show up as losing money using the operating income methodology.  Lebron brings them much more money than his salary costs them.  If he leaves, they will truly be losing money and need revenue sharing to offset their losses.

I'm pretty sure that $10m number for playoff home games comes from here. (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19565518/nba-playoffs-warriors-sweep-bottom-line-not-look-wonderful)  That's for Finals games only, not every playoff game, Finals tickets are much more expensive than the earlier 3 rounds.  Plus GS has a much higher ticket price than Cleveland, it costs about 25% more just to get in the door in GS than Cleveland at least according to this article (http://time.com/money/4798003/cavaliers-warriors-nba-finals-tickets-prices/). 

My SWAG for Cleveland might be something like $9m per Finals game, $7m per ECF game, $5m per 2nd round game, $3m per 1st round game.  That's only $48m extra in revenue, that barely covers their $45m luxury tax bill (though actually I think it was closer to $25m last year, $45m would've been this year before the Kyrie/IT trade). Still losing money is losing money, doesn't matter if it was due to revenue sharing/luxury tax or not, as that's a cost teams have to bear.

I noticed you mentioned Cleveland didn't lose money if you look at operating income (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20747413/a-confidential-report-shows-nearly-half-nba-lost-money-last-season-now-what), can you explain why you'd prefer to look at operating income before revenue sharing, rather than net income after revenue sharing?  Which number do you think the owners are looking at?  That negative net income number has to come out of their pockets, whether or not they had positive operating income. 

All this to say, I don't think going to the Finals is the golden goose you think it is.  Cavs went to the Finals and lost money.  I can see a point approaching (if we're not already there) where the Cavs lose more money with LeBron than if they're a 20 win team without him.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 23, 2017, 06:51:18 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

Bingo .
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 23, 2017, 06:52:13 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: More Banners on September 23, 2017, 07:03:34 PM
The Cavs salary problem isn't LBJ at $35M, it's all the role player vets he makes the team overpay to fill out the roster.  TT, Korver, JR ... would be like salary cap cement shoes. That's where they overpay, and the deal is Lebron doesn't trust them to get the next Delladova after someone else over pays the guy who performed next to him the year before. So he holds the franchise hostage with short deals. That's why they pay all that money in salary, yet would crash without Lebron. Talent/salary ratio is off.

Interesting take on Kevin Love though, it seems nobody thinks very much of him.

Interesting that the Cavs weren't on Melo's list from the beginning. Or PG.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 23, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
Dumping Melo off  is a win of NY in itself. added headache for OKC .....bet their coach is thrilled.

Good move for NY.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: GratefulCs on September 23, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
Wooowwww. I think they're the second best team in the West if they gel together well, and I could see them giving GS all they can handle.

That Irving trade is just getting better and better for us, huh? That's now like 7 legit teams that will challenge Brooklyn for worst in the NBA - Brooklyn, Chicago, Indy, Atlanta, New York, LAL, Sacramento, and Phoenix.

By extension I guess it makes the Fultz deal worse.
not if we got our guy
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Androslav on September 23, 2017, 07:47:44 PM
This will either be really fun to watch or become an absolute dumpster fire.
Yes, and whenever I have this POV it turns out to be the latter more than 80% of time. Truth is RW got some killer shooters tonspace for him.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: mctyson on September 23, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
I love this move by OKC.  I think the fit make sense - if there is one thing Melo can do it is shoot and he will get TONS of open looks with Westbrook and PG on the floor.

Really a great test for Westbrook to see if he can go from the MVP he was last year to a facilitator.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: GreenWarrior on September 23, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: More Banners on September 23, 2017, 09:24:19 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.

No way. He can score and rebound better than most, and can shoot. That's pretty big, and definitely still above average by a good spell.

He isn't the team leader his talent and early hype suggested, but he's one heck of a 3rd banana. Much better than, say, Otto Porter or Jrue.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
BIGGEST improvement I see out of OKC is that, when they have a lead and Westbrook sits, the scoring WILL NOT STOP.

Melo and PG13 will carry the load then, or even when 2 guys sit, one guy can score.

Last year when Westbrook sat, OKC looked like a horrible team and kept blowing leads or falling behind even more in games.

Oladipo wasn't doing enough. Now they add George (including his defense) and Melo (legit 22+ PPG scorer).
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on September 23, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
Starting lineup of 3 olympians.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Beat LA on September 24, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
That's a ton of talent, but the fit is fairly dubious, and the West is so absurdly stacked that a Conference Finals appearance would feel like a major overachievement.

This will be a big test for Melo - he has great players around him for the first time in a long time. If he keeps trying to play hero ball it's going to implode. If he can change his game to be primarily a spot-up and single dribble shooter, help move the ball, find spots to attack the boards and make at least a mediocre defensive effort, the team...will probably still lose in the 2nd round. MAN the West is stacked.

People have been saying that for so long now that I don't think that there's anymore "if" involved.  Melo is what he is at this point and is probably best served to play the Mark Aguirre role as the latter did so well for the Pistons for some contending team, but starting?  Well, that's pretty difficult at this point, imo, and he and Westbrook cannot play with each other.  That's a terrible fit, imo, as you've got two me-me-me guys who suffer from acute tunnel vision, don't play defense, and absolutely destroy any semblance of ball movement.  Pairing George with Westbrook would have been great by itself as PG plays very well without the ball, is an excellent passer, and, of course, his defense speaks for itself.  He's not the problem, it's the other two that are really going to struggle, imo.  At least in Houston both Paul and Harden can shoot, but Westbrook?  No.  Just no.

As for their bench now - yikes.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Presti at least attempt to sign - assuming that they have any veteran minimum deals left, anyway - Barbosa and David Lee.  Monta Ellis probably wouldn't fit, there, and the same goes for Rodney Stuckey, but we'll see what happens.  Why didn't Presti just trade for George and Stephenson?  Lance would have been a great sixth man at the 1, 2, and 3, imo.  Oh well :-\.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: SparzWizard on September 24, 2017, 12:25:19 AM
2018 East All-Stars Starting 5

PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: LeBron James
PF: Marcus Morris
C: Al Horford

Pretty much right.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: SparzWizard on September 24, 2017, 12:27:00 AM
Starting lineup of 3 olympians.

If Melo replicates his 2016 Brazil Olympic days...OKC will be in the Finals in 2018.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: chambers on September 24, 2017, 02:02:12 AM
2018 East All-Stars Starting 5

PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: LeBron James
PF: Marcus Morris
C: Al Horford

Pretty much right.

Lol TP
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on September 24, 2017, 06:44:54 AM
So that's how may free wins we are getting by just being in the Atlantic Division?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 24, 2017, 07:46:40 AM
This helps Hayward have a better chance at all star games and the like.

Quote
Starting lineup of 3 olympians.

And only one ball that can be had at the same time.

I think it helps OKC, NYC not so much.   This should make GS have to work a little harder to make the finals. 

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The Cavs salary problem isn't LBJ at $35M, it's all the role player vets he makes the team overpay to fill out the roster.  TT, Korver, JR ... would be like salary cap cement shoes.

Do you realize who demanded those guys were on the team?   So, in the end, it is still LeBron's fault as they fold to his pressure and requests quite often.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Surferdad on September 24, 2017, 08:27:15 AM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Why would he do that with at least another $100m (3 x $33m per year) in earning power still in his tank?  Playing basketball is his only job skill.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Moranis on September 24, 2017, 10:16:57 AM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Why would he do that with at least another $100m (3 x $33m per year) in earning power still in his tank?  Playing basketball is his only job skill.
Yeah that makes no sense.  James wants to go down as the greatest player ever.  Thus, I think he plays long enough to be the all time leading scorer (which should also put him very high up on the rebounding and assist lists).  Playing that long also gives him a great shot at playing in more NBA Finals than anyone else (though he won't catch Russell in Finals wins).   In addition, that might actually get him long enough to potentially play with his son (assuming his son lives up to the hype he is already getting). 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 24, 2017, 10:32:23 AM
So...if Melo and PG stay in OKC with Westbrook, does Lebron still want to go to the Western Conference next season?

Naw

I predict Lebron will retire after next season

He showed me last season he is content with what he has done/accomplished

After next season the Cavs are going to trade Love etc for the purpose to rebuild

Lebron either becomes the new president of basketball operations or something left field and joins the Clippers as the new president.

His playing days in the league will soon be over.
Why would he do that with at least another $100m (3 x $33m per year) in earning power still in his tank?  Playing basketball is his only job skill.
Yeah that makes no sense.  James wants to go down as the greatest player ever.  Thus, I think he plays long enough to be the all time leading scorer (which should also put him very high up on the rebounding and assist lists).  Playing that long also gives him a great shot at playing in more NBA Finals than anyone else (though he won't catch Russell in Finals wins).   In addition, that might actually get him long enough to potentially play with his son (assuming his son lives up to the hype he is already getting).
I can't see Lebron retiring while he is still a top player in the league and able to be the alpha dog on a contender.  I'll be surprised if he is willing to be 2nd fiddle to someone like Shaq did with Wade. 
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 24, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.
A scoring title
5 seasons of more than 25 ppg
Never scored less than 20 a game for is entire career
Led average Nuggets team to WCF
Led every team he's been on to playoffs up until 3 years ago despite his 2 best teammates in that span being Amare Stoudemire and an old ass AI
Led Knicks to first playoff series win in well over a decade
Led Knicks to 54 wins
 
He's not Lebron James but he's not coasting off his reputation from college. Saying that is patently absurd.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Bobshot on September 24, 2017, 04:41:41 PM
You put all these stars together, and then the coach has to figure out how to make the team better. OKC is now in that situation, along with the Celtics and the Wolves. You know these teams can get better, but only at the sacrifice of individual stats (usage) of each of the stars.

For example, adding Melo to George and Westbrook is bound to drop the usage of each , and that will figure in fantasy drafts. Adding  Butler to Wiggins and Towns will do the same to each. And then there's Irving, Hayward and Horford. I doubt you'll see monster stat years from any of those guys compared to last year.

Now this has no bearing on team performance--with the right coaching, these teams will be improved. But it will affect fantasy drafts.

GS is an interesting case: KD and Curry worked without losing much usage, but Green, the other major player, is not a scorer. Houston has added Paul to Harden, but two stars won't make as much a difference as three.

Putting three stars together should improve a team, but their individual stats might take a hit.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: keevsnick on September 24, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.
A scoring title
5 seasons of more than 25 ppg
Never scored less than 20 a game for is entire career
Led average Nuggets team to WCF
Led every team he's been on to playoffs up until 3 years ago despite his 2 best teammates in that span being Amare Stoudemire and an old ass AI
Led Knicks to first playoff series win in well over a decade
Led Knicks to 54 wins
 
He's not Lebron James but he's not coasting off his reputation from college. Saying that is patently absurd.

Agreed. Melo has taken so much abuse lately that if anything I think he's now underrated.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: manl_lui on September 24, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.
A scoring title
5 seasons of more than 25 ppg
Never scored less than 20 a game for is entire career
Led average Nuggets team to WCF
Led every team he's been on to playoffs up until 3 years ago despite his 2 best teammates in that span being Amare Stoudemire and an old ass AI
Led Knicks to first playoff series win in well over a decade
Led Knicks to 54 wins
 
He's not Lebron James but he's not coasting off his reputation from college. Saying that is patently absurd.

Agreed. Melo has taken so much abuse lately that if anything I think he's now underrated.

I also think this can be a good move for the Thunder, I mean for the package they gave up to get both George and Melo is simply amazing, almost no 1st rounders/high 1st are included (correct me if i am wrong), for 2 disgruntled star players..

if anything I feel like next year Melo is going to have a good year, just for being ranked 64 by ESPN, he has a lot to prove that he may not be top 10 player anymore but 64?

And I also feel like if they meet the Rockets next year in the playoffs, it'll be quite interesting
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: GreenWarrior on September 24, 2017, 07:59:58 PM
still not impressed. scoring titles don't mean anything.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 24, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
still not impressed. scoring titles don't mean anything.
Ridiculous.

The last 10 scoring title winners:
Westbrook
Curry
Durant
Anthony
Wade
James
Bryant
Iverson
McGrady
O'Neal

but even if we throw out a scoring title... which would be absurd. And we also throw out his scoring 20 a game every year of his career, or his scoring over 25 multiple times... again... absurd.

How about carrying the Knicks to 54 wins? How about 6 all-nba teams? How about leading Denver to seasons of 49, 50, 54 and 53 wins?

How about 10 all star games?

How about leading New York to its first playoff series win in over a decade?

What about leading a  very average Nuggets team past the Chris Paul led Hornets and the Dirk led Mavs to reach the Western conference finals?

If you wanna say Melo is overrated, then fine. Go for it. You might be right.

Dont be a knucklehead and claim its because of what he did at Syracuse. Thats just dumb and makes you look bad.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: CelticsElite on September 26, 2017, 02:23:48 AM
You put all these stars together, and then the coach has to figure out how to make the team better. OKC is now in that situation, along with the Celtics and the Wolves. You know these teams can get better, but only at the sacrifice of individual stats (usage) of each of the stars.

For example, adding Melo to George and Westbrook is bound to drop the usage of each , and that will figure in fantasy drafts. Adding  Butler to Wiggins and Towns will do the same to each. And then there's Irving, Hayward and Horford. I doubt you'll see monster stat years from any of those guys compared to last year.

Now this has no bearing on team performance--with the right coaching, these teams will be improved. But it will affect fantasy drafts.

GS is an interesting case: KD and Curry worked without losing much usage, but Green, the other major player, is not a scorer. Houston has added Paul to Harden, but two stars won't make as much a difference as three.

Putting three stars together should improve a team, but their individual stats might take a hit.
what happens if wade goes to okc and is promised starting role


Record breaking low usage for most of them?
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Bucketgetter on September 26, 2017, 02:57:13 AM
You put all these stars together, and then the coach has to figure out how to make the team better. OKC is now in that situation, along with the Celtics and the Wolves. You know these teams can get better, but only at the sacrifice of individual stats (usage) of each of the stars.

For example, adding Melo to George and Westbrook is bound to drop the usage of each , and that will figure in fantasy drafts. Adding  Butler to Wiggins and Towns will do the same to each. And then there's Irving, Hayward and Horford. I doubt you'll see monster stat years from any of those guys compared to last year.

Now this has no bearing on team performance--with the right coaching, these teams will be improved. But it will affect fantasy drafts.

GS is an interesting case: KD and Curry worked without losing much usage, but Green, the other major player, is not a scorer. Houston has added Paul to Harden, but two stars won't make as much a difference as three.

Putting three stars together should improve a team, but their individual stats might take a hit.
what happens if wade goes to okc and is promised starting role


Record breaking low usage for most of them?
Why would OKC start Wade over Roberson?

The last thing they need is yet another ball dominant, non spot up shooter who’s defense is only getting worse next to RW, PG13, and Melo. Roberson’s elite defense is critical for that team.
Title: Re: Woj Bomb: Melo to OKC
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 26, 2017, 06:21:19 AM
this is a nothing move imo. I've long felt Anthony is overrated... because he is. this is just a name being moved, a name who's living off his college career. there is no substance to Anthony's game, for all the points he scores his team is worse off.

and he's a coach killer.

"Living off his college career"

This has to be a joke.

what has he done in the NBA?

he forced his way out of Denver(a good team at the time) to go to New York... just because it's "New York". and then when he gets there, he does nothing. and the argument is always "he had no teammates". well, ya know what? Pierce "had no teammates" either and took a bunch of scrubs to the eastern conference finals. sure the east was weak then... just like it was during melo's tenure so how many excuses are we going to make for the guy?

it seems like most people still tootin the melo horn are the ones that claimed long ago that he was going to be great are the ones that are still holding onto their prediction, just because they don't want to be proven wrong. where if they saw things for what they really are they would see he's done nothing in his career except score some points. reality is if you gave an average NBA player the hype and freedom to do whatever he wants, they'd likely be on par with Melo.
A scoring title
5 seasons of more than 25 ppg
Never scored less than 20 a game for is entire career
Led average Nuggets team to WCF
Led every team he's been on to playoffs up until 3 years ago despite his 2 best teammates in that span being Amare Stoudemire and an old ass AI
Led Knicks to first playoff series win in well over a decade
Led Knicks to 54 wins
 
He's not Lebron James but he's not coasting off his reputation from college. Saying that is patently absurd.

Agreed. Melo has taken so much abuse lately that if anything I think he's now underrated.

I also think this can be a good move for the Thunder, I mean for the package they gave up to get both George and Melo is simply amazing, almost no 1st rounders/high 1st are included (correct me if i am wrong), for 2 disgruntled star players..

Only draft pick involved in either trade this summer was the second rounder they got from Chicago in the Cameron Payne trade. It's certain to be a high second rounder, but eh. I don't think OKC is losing sleep over potentially having to rebuild next summer and not having that Chicago pick in their draft coffers. They're likely not finding a franchise cornerstone that late in the draft.