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Title: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: KG Living Legend on February 15, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
 Love this team so much more than last year, however the story Remains the Same. I think we're ranked behind Cleveland with the trades, and Toronto is better as well.  Both those teams beat us in a 7 game series just my opinion.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: libermaniac on February 15, 2018, 12:50:02 PM
Agreed.   I don't think that's a controversial opinion at this point. Hopefully they start to gel.  In my opinion the difference right now is a) no Smart b) Tatum has hit the rookie wall.  His shot used to be money - now it's off.  If Tatum gets a second wind for the playoffs, and they are healthy, things could change.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
Love this team so much more than last year, however the story Remains the Same. I think we're ranked behind Cleveland with the trades, and Toronto is better as well.  Both those teams beat us in a 7 game series just my opinion.
1. The Celtics were the second-best team last year.
2. It's far from a given right now that we're better than teams like Milwaukee and Washington.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
We turned over almost our entire roster from last year. Our new roster relies in part on 5 rookies and Smart and Jaylen who are inexperienced still. Some growing pains are to be expected.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 15, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
Love this team so much more than last year, however the story Remains the Same. I think we're ranked behind Cleveland with the trades, and Toronto is better as well.  Both those teams beat us in a 7 game series just my opinion.
1. The Celtics were the second-best team last year.
2. It's far from a given right now that we're better than teams like Milwaukee and Toronto.

Considering he mentioned Toronto as someone the Celtics are worse than... Milwaukee seems like the only team worth mentioning.

OP, I agree but think it’s worth mentioning that a lot  comes down to how we look a month from now, and if Hayward Can give us a boost.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Love this team so much more than last year, however the story Remains the Same. I think we're ranked behind Cleveland with the trades, and Toronto is better as well.  Both those teams beat us in a 7 game series just my opinion.
1. The Celtics were the second-best team last year.
2. It's far from a given right now that we're better than teams like Milwaukee and Toronto.

Considering he mentioned Toronto as someone the Celtics are worse than... Milwaukee seems like the only team worth mentioning.

OP, I agree but think it’s worth mentioning that a lot  comes down to how we look a month from now, and if Hayward Can give us a boost.
Washington could pose problems.  Even a team like Philly could pose problems in a 1st round matchup. 
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: chiken Green on February 15, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
Miami with Wade back and Indiana with the Stud play of Oladipo.
But to be fair it's the playoffs, No team in the East not named Cleveland should expect a cake walk.

Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: celticsclay on February 15, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Miami with Wade back and Indiana with the Stud play of Oladipo.
But to be fair it's the playoffs, No team in the East not named Cleveland should expect a cake walk.

Good chance heat won't make playoffs
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Love this team so much more than last year, however the story Remains the Same. I think we're ranked behind Cleveland with the trades, and Toronto is better as well.  Both those teams beat us in a 7 game series just my opinion.
1. The Celtics were the second-best team last year.
2. It's far from a given right now that we're better than teams like Milwaukee and Toronto.

Considering he mentioned Toronto as someone the Celtics are worse than... Milwaukee seems like the only team worth mentioning.

OP, I agree but think it’s worth mentioning that a lot  comes down to how we look a month from now, and if Hayward Can give us a boost.
When I typed Toronto, I meant Washington. Case with Toronto is a lot more clear cut...
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: PhoSita on February 15, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
I'm not worried about round one.

The Celts can and should beat Indiana, Philly, Miami, Washington, etc.

Round two will probably be against the Cavs; that will be pretty tough.


Let's all just remember, the Celts lost Hayward on day 1. 

Top 3 seed, making round two, possibly pushing the Cavs to 6 or 7, getting a great rookie season out of Tatum .... that's a really good year in light of Hayward's injury.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2018, 03:34:17 PM
The Celts can and should beat Indiana, Philly, Miami, Washington, etc.
They can and they should... but based on what you've seen recently are you convinced they will? I'm not.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 15, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
I think that CLE is going to go on a tear and claim the #1 spot. Long shot- yes.

TOR will be close at a game or two behind, and the Celtics will be a game or two behind them.

Celtics get Philly in the first round then have to go to TOR for the 2nd round. Still better than matching up with CLE in round 2.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: mctyson on February 15, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
Agreed.   I don't think that's a controversial opinion at this point. Hopefully they start to gel.  In my opinion the difference right now is a) no Smart b) Tatum has hit the rookie wall.  His shot used to be money - now it's off.  If Tatum gets a second wind for the playoffs, and they are healthy, things could change.

Pretty much agree with all of this, especially the Tatum piece.  Once he started struggling, the team fell apart.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: mctyson on February 15, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
The Celts can and should beat Indiana, Philly, Miami, Washington, etc.
They can and they should... but based on what you've seen recently are you convinced they will? I'm not.

I am willing to punt on their recent play.  Yes, it sucks that they are 6-9 in their last 15, basically since coming back from London.  Given that trip, the break coming up shortly thereafter and the Smart injury, I will punt.

If they play .500 ball for the first couple weeks after the break...they are in trouble.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2018, 05:39:30 PM
I enjoyed watching last year’s team more. I suspect that having Hayward this year would have changed that.

Regardless of personal enjoyment, I think the team has exceeded reasonable expectations.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: bopna on February 15, 2018, 05:52:30 PM
I enjoyed watching last year’s team more. I suspect that having Hayward this year would have changed that.

Regardless of personal enjoyment, I think the team has exceeded reasonable expectations.

Last year's team was limited and over achieved, yes they were enjoyable to watch but i'd still rather have this yr's team.

I am inclined to think the Cs will eventually figure this mess out and come back better by March. 

Although Im really inclined to believe that all other playoff teams have improved and that  I have no confidence whatsover that this team is 100% getting out of round one. For me we are at the same tier as Indiana, cHeat and the Bucks. Forget the Raps and Cavs because those two will slug it out in the ECF barring injuries.
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: action781 on February 15, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
Celtics best team most titles
Title: Re: Celtics still third best in the East.
Post by: PhoSita on February 15, 2018, 07:36:45 PM
I enjoyed watching last year’s team more. I suspect that having Hayward this year would have changed that.


There was a magic to last year's team, mostly owing to the King in the Fourth stuff, and the overall feeling that they were exceeding their talent by a good margin.

This year's team is plenty talented, they've just had bad luck with an injury to Hayward and most of the supporting cast is very young.

I really enjoyed watching this Celts team earlier in the season but the last month or two it feels like the joy has gone out of the team, it's like they proved they weren't dead with the 16 game winning streak following Hayward's injury and now they've been coasting / are burnt out.

I'm hoping they become fun to watch again before the playoffs roll around.