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Title: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Denis998 on October 22, 2017, 02:33:17 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 02:39:12 AM
Either he should be in the d league for a few months learning to shoot, or he should dnp-cd. If he's playing injured, the team has a lot of questopns as to why trainers allow an injured player to play
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jdz101 on October 22, 2017, 06:19:09 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: RockinRyA on October 22, 2017, 07:26:05 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.

Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jambr380 on October 22, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.

Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.

Maybe, but in viewing the video, I would say [if anything] it looks like he has a problem with his wrist and not his shoulder as there actually is quite a bit of arm/shoulder motion. I would assume he would try more of a 'wrist flip', just trying to get the shot at the hoop, if it were really his shoulder.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Green-18 on October 22, 2017, 08:28:21 AM
I really don't understand why the Sixers coaching staff is allowing him to play right now.  If his shoulder is that much of a problem then they need to sit him for the time being.  The coaches shouldn't allow him tinker with ANYTHING shot related in his rookie year.  It's important for Fultz to experience early success doing some of the same things that made him a great scorer in college.  If Fultz continues to obsess with his shot then he will lack growth in other aspects of his game. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 22, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
They should shut him down for the year . 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 22, 2017, 09:12:44 AM
I really don't understand why the Sixers coaching staff is allowing him to play right now.  If his shoulder is that much of a problem then they need to sit him for the time being.  The coaches shouldn't allow him tinker with ANYTHING shot related in his rookie year.  It's important for Fultz to experience early success doing some of the same things that made him a great scorer in college.  If Fultz continues to obsess with his shot then he will lack growth in other aspects of his game.
Fultz screwed up his shooting form before he showed up to training camp.  Coach Brown was  quite surprised about it.  The shoulder injury claim started after he had adjusted his shot and people started talking about how bad it was.  The Sixers wouldn't be playing him if they thought the shoulder was a significant concern.  I think bringing him off the bench in limited minutes is the best approach.  They need to get him used to NBA play while working on his shot during practice. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Forza Juventus on October 22, 2017, 09:24:42 AM
Poor kid. He needs to be shut down for a little bit with a personal coach to get his shot back. But that is hard to do because the season already started. He needs confidence I mean come on his free throw shooting is a mess.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 22, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
This is just strange. The sixers have 0 issue shutting guys down being overly cautious. If he's hurt Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. are they doing? if he's not hurt Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. happened?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: PAOBoston on October 22, 2017, 09:44:55 AM
They should shut him down for the year .
Maybe they are afraid of the backlash they would get if yet another 76ers #1 pick missed their rookie season due to injury.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Eddie20 on October 22, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
This was yesterday and really bad. His FT was wide left and missed the rim completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izJz173GZs
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 22, 2017, 09:57:27 AM
They should shut him down for the year .
Maybe they are afraid of the backlash they would get if yet another 76ers #1 pick missed their rookie season due to injury.

That never stopped them before plus there is a lot of guys for fans to be excited about in Philly. If he's hurt why are they pushing him out there?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 22, 2017, 10:29:53 AM
If he starts shooting jumpers it's not like he'll hit them, either. I foresee a thread a couple weeks from now about how he has yet to make a jumper. So glad we have Tatum.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
He might be in bust watch. Lol he isn't going to change that shot
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: knuckleballer on October 22, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
He needs therapy.  This is a mental issue like Chuck Knoblauch.  He was a good outside shooter last season.  He struggled from the free throw line, but he shot fine from there in high school. 

Until he gets it figured out, I'm just going to eat popcorn and watch Tatum kick butt.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: PAOBoston on October 22, 2017, 11:50:16 AM
They should shut him down for the year .
Maybe they are afraid of the backlash they would get if yet another 76ers #1 pick missed their rookie season due to injury.

That never stopped them before plus there is a lot of guys for fans to be excited about in Philly. If he's hurt why are they pushing him out there?
Yeah, but fans are legit invested this year. Season tickets have sold out. Also, it would call into question a lot of things regarding management. Noel, Embiid, Simmons, and now possibly Fultz? Not a good look.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: moiso on October 22, 2017, 12:16:54 PM
Maybe I’d believe he was hurt if he was an 80% free throw shooter last year.  Obviously he foolishly attempted to change his shot by himself with disasterous results.  He and the Sixers better stick with the sore shoulder excuse until he fixes that shot though!
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 22, 2017, 12:27:41 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first. 


Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
I don't think he changed his shot. It is also not injury. He’s just a bad shooter. He had a bad workout with the Celtics. He has a bad workout with the Sixers. He was shooting bad before injury. And now he’s having bad games.  It is much more likely his 1 good year in college was a fluke.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: bopna on October 22, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
He worked out for the Cs and Danny saw something wrong or off with him..kept quite about it and strongly built up his value and in the end fleecing the sixers for that protected pick...Fultz was never gonna be drafted by Danny..it was just a question of who does he deal with..Philly or the Fakers heck he was even willing to go down to 4th pick...on draft night Danny was nearly crucified for trading away a transcended talent.....oooh hindsight is so satisfying and Danny was very much vindicated. I too was fooled as I wanted Fultz but was so glad we got Tatum..who could very much be a beast in 3 yrs.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: saltlover on October 22, 2017, 03:32:22 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first.

That’s exactly what I thought.  It really seems like he’s quickly developing a case of the yips.  The Sixers should find some injury to use an excuse to sit him down with and convince him/everyone else that this was the problem.  The yips are not to be trifled with.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 22, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first.

That’s exactly what I thought.  It really seems like he’s quickly developing a case of the yips.  The Sixers should find some injury to use an excuse to sit him down with and convince him/everyone else that this was the problem.  The yips are not to be trifled with.
I think Philly is too afraid of public backlash.

He obviously needs some time off, either to fix that jumper or to rest his shoulder.

Markelle is very crafty and sneaky athletic. He has some great moves and is a good passer, but if he is afraid to shoot jumpers, then he doesnt project any better than Evan Turner.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: slamtheking on October 22, 2017, 03:35:07 PM
They should shut him down for the year . 
I know right.  isn't that the requirement for all of Philly's top picks -- they have to sit out their rookie year?   ;)
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 22, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
They should shut him down for the year . 
I know right.  isn't that the requirement for all of Philly's top picks -- they have to sit out their rookie year?   ;)

Im just following the process........thats all ... ;)



Actually I understand possibly TWO now .....he has a blister on his big toe ... :D
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: moiso on October 22, 2017, 03:41:39 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first.

That’s exactly what I thought.  It really seems like he’s quickly developing a case of the yips.  The Sixers should find some injury to use an excuse to sit him down with and convince him/everyone else that this was the problem.  The yips are not to be trifled with.
I think Philly is too afraid of public backlash.

He obviously needs some time off, either to fix that jumper or to rest his shoulder.

Markelle is very crafty and sneaky athletic. He has some great moves and is a good passer, but if he is afraid to shoot jumpers, then he doesnt project any better than Evan Turner.
I've never heard of a player being kept off the roster to work on shooting.  There are enough hours in a day that he can work on his shot and still play in the games. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Phantom255x on October 22, 2017, 03:44:15 PM
I just find it baffling that Fultz, a gifted shooter and someone who has drawn comparison to the likes of Harden, is NOW experimenting with shooting forms (including FTs).  :o

Huh?

And I know he may be dealing with a shoulder injury, but in that case just sit out. I really don't think some player just has a sore hand or something and just decides, "okay time to completely change my shooting form!"

Now a shoulder injury is obviously more serious than the example I provided, but it seems like Fultz changing his shooting form isn't some "temporary solution" here either.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jpotter33 on October 22, 2017, 04:07:46 PM
I don't think he changed his shot. It is also not injury. He’s just a bad shooter. He had a bad workout with the Celtics. He has a bad workout with the Sixers. He was shooting bad before injury. And now he’s having bad games.  It is much more likely his 1 good year in college was a fluke.

No, he clearly changed his shot from college. It's a fundamentally different movement and positioning of the ball.  He changed it right after the season before the pre-draft workouts.

Watch the free throws. He never shot it like that last year. He's essentially pushing the ball off of his fingertips up there, almost Shaq-like.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: saltlover on October 22, 2017, 04:16:21 PM
I don't think he changed his shot. It is also not injury. He’s just a bad shooter. He had a bad workout with the Celtics. He has a bad workout with the Sixers. He was shooting bad before injury. And now he’s having bad games.  It is much more likely his 1 good year in college was a fluke.

No, he clearly changed his shot from college. It's a fundamentally different movement and positioning of the ball.  He changed it right after the season before the pre-draft workouts.

Watch the free throws. He never shot it like that last year. He's essentially pushing the ball off of his fingertips up there, almost Shaq-like.

Right — the question is:  Did he change his shot because he wanted to improve, but it didn’t work, because he had some injury and found this more comfortable, or because he’s had a complete collapse of confidence and has no clue what to do? I think it’s number 3.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: timpiker on October 22, 2017, 05:35:35 PM
I swear Danny is a genius
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 22, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first.

That’s exactly what I thought.  It really seems like he’s quickly developing a case of the yips.  The Sixers should find some injury to use an excuse to sit him down with and convince him/everyone else that this was the problem.  The yips are not to be trifled with.
I think Philly is too afraid of public backlash.

He obviously needs some time off, either to fix that jumper or to rest his shoulder.

Markelle is very crafty and sneaky athletic. He has some great moves and is a good passer, but if he is afraid to shoot jumpers, then he doesnt project any better than Evan Turner.

I think Simmons doesn't project much better than Turner, either. The Sixers were the ones who wasted a #2 pick on Turner, too, lol.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Snakehead on October 22, 2017, 07:28:19 PM


I think Simmons doesn't project much better than Turner, either. The Sixers were the ones who wasted a #2 pick on Turner, too, lol.

I'm not that high on him but that's over the top.

Depends on if they wise up in how they use him though.  He's not a PG.  Let him be Lamar Odom esque.  He's not going to be able to dribble around and use screens and run an offense.

He has top level rebounding potential and he's a great athlete.  Let him be a big man.  Maybe you don't play Embiid as much with him if that's the case, but then that's what you should do.  I think trying to legit use him as a PG is a joke.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: mctyson on October 22, 2017, 07:50:36 PM
I am just not buying that this guy is a bad shooter.  Give him time, he is a young kid trying to justify his #1 pick status.

Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 22, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
He looks like Chuck Knoblauch throwing to first.

That’s exactly what I thought.  It really seems like he’s quickly developing a case of the yips.  The Sixers should find some injury to use an excuse to sit him down with and convince him/everyone else that this was the problem.  The yips are not to be trifled with.
I think Philly is too afraid of public backlash.

He obviously needs some time off, either to fix that jumper or to rest his shoulder.

Markelle is very crafty and sneaky athletic. He has some great moves and is a good passer, but if he is afraid to shoot jumpers, then he doesnt project any better than Evan Turner.
I've never heard of a player being kept off the roster to work on shooting.  There are enough hours in a day that he can work on his shot and still play in the games.
He needs to reset mentally.

he doesnt need to "work on his shot" he needs to work on his mind.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jdz101 on October 23, 2017, 01:48:34 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.


Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.

Sorry. That is a ridiculous cop-out.

If he actually had a rotator cuff or an injury that prevented him from shooting, he wouldn't be playing.

Simple.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 01:51:23 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.


Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.

Sorry. That is a ridiculous cop-out.

If he actually had a rotator cuff or an injury that prevented him from shooting, he wouldn't be playing.

Simple.
tp. 100% true
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: RockinRyA on October 23, 2017, 04:22:29 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.


Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.

Sorry. That is a ridiculous cop-out.

If he actually had a rotator cuff or an injury that prevented him from shooting, he wouldn't be playing.

Simple.

Im sorry but if you think you are more believable than a professional basketball team's coach and medical staff you are sadly mistaken. Delusional even.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 23, 2017, 07:02:59 AM
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A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

You should quit your day job and go into comedy.   I don't think that your intent but I almost fell out of my chair laughing.  Is the yips contagious? Is their a vaccine? 

From what I have seen of the human face over 50% of people seem born with it.  Because most people when shooting a basketball can't make two with a pencil.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 23, 2017, 09:00:57 AM
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A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

You should quit your day job and go into comedy.   I don't think that your intent but I almost fell out of my chair laughing.  Is the yips contagious? Is their a vaccine? 

From what I have seen of the human face over 50% of people seem born with it.  Because most people when shooting a basketball can't make two with a pencil.
The yips area real problem. I don’t know if the are Fultz’s problem but they exist.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/47124896/the-yips-difficult-to-understand-difficult-to-cure/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385462-the-10-worst-yips-in-sports

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/05/17/jon-lester-yips-chicago-cubs



Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jdz101 on October 23, 2017, 09:14:40 AM
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A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

You should quit your day job and go into comedy.   I don't think that your intent but I almost fell out of my chair laughing.  Is the yips contagious? Is their a vaccine? 

From what I have seen of the human face over 50% of people seem born with it.  Because most people when shooting a basketball can't make two with a pencil.

Yeah except it's actually a scientific proven thing that happens with professional players of various sports.

Maybe do some research before you fall off your chair laughing at someone else's opinion.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season.
Post by: jdz101 on October 23, 2017, 09:17:39 AM
Three games into the season he has yet to shoot a jumper.

A phenomenon known as the yips. He has completely lost all confidence in his ability to shoot the basketball.

One of his free throws last night.

https://streamable.com/olcno

Injuries don't cause form like that.


Actually they do. He is trying to lessen the impact on his shoulders, that is why he is using a shooting motion that uses the wrist more to push the ball out.

Sorry. That is a ridiculous cop-out.

If he actually had a rotator cuff or an injury that prevented him from shooting, he wouldn't be playing.

Simple.

Im sorry but if you think you are more believable than a professional basketball team's coach and medical staff you are sadly mistaken. Delusional even.

Where is the definitive report that states his injury and its severity?

You think he wouldn't prefer to fight through the pain of a rotator cuff problem to not embarrass himself on national television and the internet? This could very well be just as mental and form related as a physical injury.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: Donoghus on October 24, 2017, 04:08:03 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: CelticsElite on October 24, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."
this is the type of thing where you fire the entire coaching staff. There was a link posted where the head coach said he Thinks the injury was why he shot bad. He knew and still played him. Fire him.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 24, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

I guess if playing wasn't supposed to exacerbate the injury and they wanted to get him early reps...nope, it still makes no sense. Didn't they royally screw up Embiid's diagnosis and let him play another game with a torn meniscus?

I just hope it doesn't give him a mental (or physical) block going forward. As much as we want to crow about making the right decision with that deal, I hate to see a young talented guy not fulfill his potential because he listened to team doctors.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 24, 2017, 04:22:30 PM
If he's got shoulder bursitis, it's odd that he's playing. The main treatment for this condition is rest...
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Donoghus on October 24, 2017, 04:25:48 PM
If he's got shoulder bursitis, it's odd that he's playing. The main treatment for this condition is rest...

Also, it's October.    The entire season is ahead of you.  I can possibly see a guy trying to grind it out in April while trying to get a playoff berth or during the playoffs.  But at the start of the season?  Just insane to me. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 24, 2017, 04:32:31 PM
If he's got shoulder bursitis, it's odd that he's playing. The main treatment for this condition is rest...

Also, it's October.    The entire season is ahead of you.  I can possibly see a guy trying to grind it out in April while trying to get a playoff berth or during the playoffs.  But at the start of the season?  Just insane to me.
If you remember, Pierce routinely played with elbow bursitis that required regular drainage. However, unlike Fultz, this didn't seem to affect his production. Fultz should feel a lot better with ~1 month rest, I have no idea why the 76ers are messing with him.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jpotter33 on October 24, 2017, 04:39:27 PM
Good Lord Philly is a dumpster fire. I just cannot wrap my head around this. Why in the world would you continue to play him?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: blink on October 24, 2017, 04:39:47 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

oh man...why didn't they pull him the minute they found out?  What reason could they possibly have for playing him when he is injured, especially at the start of the season?

he had it drained before the start of the season as well.  is this just all on the insane philly management/coaches/trainers?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: Roy H. on October 24, 2017, 04:43:20 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

The best part:

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No decision has been made for Fultz to miss games, league sources said.

That can’t be real, right? The guy can’t raise his shoulder, and they’re not sure if they’re going to shut him down?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 24, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
Give him time ....Thats a long jumper ...there is risk

he has to work up to those hero shots


 ;D




Time to shut him down for the season .   Let the tanking begin.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: RJ87 on October 24, 2017, 05:01:13 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

I guess if playing wasn't supposed to exacerbate the injury and they wanted to get him early reps...nope, it still makes no sense. Didn't they royally screw up Embiid's diagnosis and let him play another game with a torn meniscus?

I just hope it doesn't give him a mental (or physical) block going forward. As much as we want to crow about making the right decision with that deal, I hate to see a young talented guy not fulfill his potential because he listened to team doctors.

If the kid has to change his entire shot to deal with the pain, he should be shut down. There's zero logic in him playing through this.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: celticsclay on October 24, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."
this is the type of thing where you fire the entire coaching staff. There was a link posted where the head coach said he Thinks the injury was why he shot bad. He knew and still played him. Fire him.

I agree. Staff should be fired for this. Ridiculous
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 24, 2017, 05:20:53 PM
Time to shut him down for the season .   Let the tanking begin.
I don't know... is there a lottery talent this year that projects to miss a season with a debilitating injury? :P
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jbp126 on October 24, 2017, 05:26:52 PM
Philly has had no problem in recent years shutting down players who have had injury concerns. I believe there's an injury but I don't think that's the only reason Fultz changed his motion. This seems like an attempt to excuse a horribly ill-advised decision on Fultz's part to reconstruct his FT stroke.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 24, 2017, 05:38:15 PM
Philly has had no problem in recent years shutting down players who have had injury concerns. I believe there's an injury but I don't think that's the only reason Fultz changed his motion. This seems like an attempt to excuse a horribly ill-advised decision on Fultz's part to reconstruct his FT stroke.
Exactly.  Anything an agent says should be taken with a truckload of salt. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Phantom255x on October 24, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
This is literally just setting up for Simmons and/or Embiid to get injured before the end of this month, and then back to tanking in Philly!
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Fan from VT on October 24, 2017, 08:42:42 PM
Philly has had no problem in recent years shutting down players who have had injury concerns. I believe there's an injury but I don't think that's the only reason Fultz changed his motion. This seems like an attempt to excuse a horribly ill-advised decision on Fultz's part to reconstruct his FT stroke.
Exactly.  Anything an agent says should be taken with a truckload of salt.

Yeah, this is super weird in this day and age. Professional sports are 365 day leagues; was Fultz really on his own changing his shot just because? Was he not getting coaching? Was he changing his shot because of an injury? Did the team know about the injury? After Embiid and Simmons, suddenly they have a rookie playing through shoulder injuries in his shooting arm? Ruining his shooting motion or making up a compensatory shooting motion on his own? This sounds like either Philly doing an awful job protecting and developing their investment, and/or Fultz being bizarrely secretive and independent.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 24, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
How can anyone still be foolish to believe anything from the sixers organization? Do you really believe  the organization would let him play a basketball game if he can't raise his arm? This isn't game 7 of the finals and he's not Michael Jordan.

You don't even have to believe it. Here's the picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM7cSQgUEAEBoeV?format=jpg)

The kid is a bust and this is damage control so they can sell their jerseys before shutting him down for the year to get another lotto pick. Enough already. League has to start intervening in this nonsense.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: RockinRyA on October 24, 2017, 09:35:44 PM
Philly has had no problem in recent years shutting down players who have had injury concerns. I believe there's an injury but I don't think that's the only reason Fultz changed his motion. This seems like an attempt to excuse a horribly ill-advised decision on Fultz's part to reconstruct his FT stroke.

Actually no, they had a player who they mismanaged an injury by playing him. I forgot who, will ask my friend.

CB is really getting worst. If you want gratification on picking Tatum, just watch him, he's a stud. No need to continuously put down another for that. This is very disappointing. Now news report come out saying you are wrong and you try save your pride by refysing to accept the reports? Keep digging your own graves.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: RockinRyA on October 24, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
How can anyone still be foolish to believe anything from the sixers organization? Do you really believe  the organization would let him play a basketball game if he can't raise his arm? This isn't game 7 of the finals and he's not Michael Jordan.

You don't even have to believe it. Here's the picture:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM7cSQgUEAEBoeV?format=jpg)

The kid is a bust and this is damage control so they can sell their jerseys before shutting him down for the year to get another lotto pick. Enough already. League has to start intervening in this nonsense.

They need to play him or they miss more opportunities for growth of their roster. If his injury doesnt get worse you do that. They also have to sell tickets. And oh, some injuries give off pain in certain angles and motions.  When i had injured my wrist i can write fine, i can even do layups, but i shoot threes and it hurts so bad.

Also, this is important, he has also jumped ball with his left. That has nothing to do with his confidence or mentality to shoot. Try hard to connect that with shooting Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 24, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
The kid is a bust and this is damage control so they can sell their jerseys before shutting him down for the year to get another lotto pick. Enough already. League has to start intervening in this nonsense.

Why would shutting down a bust get them a lotto pick? Seems like they'd want him out there as much as possible.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: Snakehead on October 24, 2017, 09:51:53 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

The best part:

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No decision has been made for Fultz to miss games, league sources said.

That can’t be real, right? The guy can’t raise his shoulder, and they’re not sure if they’re going to shut him down?

There's no way.  If he has some kind of shoulder injury it has to be rested.

EDIT: Well actually, here you go, he's already walking it back:



Markelle Fultz's agent, Tony Brothers, changed his story about fluid being drained from Fultz's right shoulder.
"He had a cortisone shot on Oct. 5, which means fluid was put into his shoulder -- Brothers said. "My intention earlier was to let people know that he's been experiencing discomfort. We will continue to work with [76ers GM] Bryan Colangelo and the medical staff." Fultz's inflammation and symptoms have improved, but it's clear that he hasn't been playing anywhere close to 100 percent. Considering how cautious the 76ers have been with their other prospects, it's shocking that they let the No. 1 overall pick play with so much discomfort in his shoulder.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/338806/Fultz's-agent-changes-story-about-shoulder
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: Sketch5 on October 24, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
Why....the....heck....was....he....playing?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder

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"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

The best part:

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No decision has been made for Fultz to miss games, league sources said.

That can’t be real, right? The guy can’t raise his shoulder, and they’re not sure if they’re going to shut him down?

Welcome to Philly were we continuously get a top three pick and kill their careers before they start.....

Noel,Embiid,Simons, all had first seasons gone from injury. Okafor hasn't played more than 53 games in one season. Now Futlz can't lift his arm.

If they shut down Fultz and then Embiid  or Simmons for some thing questionably, the league better look into it.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: trickybilly on October 24, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: kozlodoev on October 24, 2017, 10:04:19 PM
"He had a cortisone shot on Oct. 5, which means fluid was put into his shoulder -- Brothers said.
Really, Tony, that's what it means? We had no idea...
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: GratefulCs on October 24, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
well to be fair they're not done yet

more draft picks coming in hot
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jbp126 on October 24, 2017, 10:13:47 PM
Philly has had no problem in recent years shutting down players who have had injury concerns. I believe there's an injury but I don't think that's the only reason Fultz changed his motion. This seems like an attempt to excuse a horribly ill-advised decision on Fultz's part to reconstruct his FT stroke.

Actually no, they had a player who they mismanaged an injury by playing him. I forgot who, will ask my friend.

CB is really getting worst. If you want gratification on picking Tatum, just watch him, he's a stud. No need to continuously put down another for that. This is very disappointing. Now news report come out saying you are wrong and you try save your pride by refysing to accept the reports? Keep digging your own graves.

Who mentioned Tatum? I liked Fultz a lot as a prospect predraft (wasn't thrilled about the trade initially) and I still think he could be a really good player but drastically changing his shooting motion, injury or not, was not a great idea and isn't a great start to his career.

Shockingly, Fultz's agent is walking back his comments about Markelle's shoulder being drained. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder

Please check your facts or "ask [your] friend" before you put words in my mouth and accuse me of contributing to CB "getting worst".
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Monkhouse on October 24, 2017, 10:42:18 PM
Look guys, let's just try to get back on topic here. There's a bit of tension, but I would like to see this thread kept for more discussion. Fultz was one of my favorite binkies. I really do believe he's a better CJ Mcollum type of player.

I do believe Futlz needs the right environment to thrive. He seems like Hayward in a sense, that he's a quiet leader. While there are certainly faith instilled in Embiid, I don't see him as a leader as of yet. We forget how young these players really are. Their going to definitely need the guidance of a veteran locker room to get them back into shape mentally, and physically.

I love Fultz, and to be completely frank, I would still have Fultz as my second pick. Obviously, I like Tatum more, but only because we have Kyrie Irving and Smart. I still feel Fultz has ways to go, and I believe over time he'll become more confident and outgrow from this.

There's been countless examples, cut from the team, told he wouldn't become a 1st round pick, and the evidence of how horrible his Washington teammates were.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 24, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
Calling Fultz a bust after 4 games is a rather silly thing to do.  Putting aside Fultz, the Sixers probably have 2 of the top 3 players on rookie contracts and 2 of the top 5 under 25 players.  That's a rather good return for their tanking and they still have the Lakers or Kings pick coming. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Ogaju on October 24, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
why is this an issue?if a change of shooting motion did not work, why not just change back?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: danglertx on October 25, 2017, 12:00:13 AM
Not a doctor, so I don't know what this changes, but according to ESPN, Fultz' agent now says Fultz had liquid put into his shoulder, not drained out of it.  Seems worse to me, but like I said, I'm not a doctor.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: D Dub on October 25, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
I mean, how's your own agent that far off base?   

Philly ever the enigma
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 25, 2017, 12:08:24 AM
Cortisone is what we had Shaq injecting every day so he can play on his messed up Achilles lol.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jdz101 on October 25, 2017, 03:47:33 AM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
Calling Fultz a bust after 4 games is a rather silly thing to do.  Putting aside Fultz, the Sixers probably have 2 of the top 3 players on rookie contracts and 2 of the top 5 under 25 players.  That's a rather good return for their tanking and they still have the Lakers or Kings pick coming.

Erm. We have that pick.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Moranis on October 25, 2017, 06:09:29 AM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
Calling Fultz a bust after 4 games is a rather silly thing to do.  Putting aside Fultz, the Sixers probably have 2 of the top 3 players on rookie contracts and 2 of the top 5 under 25 players.  That's a rather good return for their tanking and they still have the Lakers or Kings pick coming.

Erm. We have that pick.
no. He was right. They have the Lakers pick under certain conditions or they have the Kings pick if those conditions aren't met
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 25, 2017, 06:59:46 AM
So, after all that, Sixers end up with: 0.5 superstars (Embiid), 1 potential all-star (Simmons), 1 solid starter (Saric), and 2 busts (Fultz, Okafor). Am I missing anyone?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)
Calling Fultz a bust after 4 games is a rather silly thing to do.  Putting aside Fultz, the Sixers probably have 2 of the top 3 players on rookie contracts and 2 of the top 5 under 25 players.  That's a rather good return for their tanking and they still have the Lakers or Kings pick coming.

Erm. We have that pick.
no. He was right. They have the Lakers pick under certain conditions or they have the Kings pick if those conditions aren't met
With the protections we have no chance at the #1 pick in either draft and there is a small chance we don't get either pick but end up with the 2019 Sixers pick instead.   
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season
Post by: moiso on October 25, 2017, 07:04:48 AM
"He had a cortisone shot on Oct. 5, which means fluid was put into his shoulder -- Brothers said.
Really, Tony, that's what it means? We had no idea...
And before each game he removes fluid from his body (urinates).  And after each game he puts fluid on his entire body (showers).
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: cman88 on October 25, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
Sixers have had no problem shutting down rookies when injured for the year so it doesnt make sense if this is an injury.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Moranis on October 25, 2017, 08:36:20 AM
apparently he had a cortisone shot on October 5th. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: greece66 on October 25, 2017, 08:54:40 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f7b98c4987ad218d94d26b70dcb46268.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/922915655640236033
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
Calling Fultz a bust after 4 games is a rather silly thing to do.  Putting aside Fultz, the Sixers probably have 2 of the top 3 players on rookie contracts and 2 of the top 5 under 25 players.  That's a rather good return for their tanking and they still have the Lakers or Kings pick coming.

Hey man I call it like I see it. First impressions are generally correct. Is he 100% a bust? No. Is he more likely a bust than Tatum? Absolutely. You don't get much time in this league before you're packaged off and lose all your confidence.

I don't personally take much stock in how well a college player plays in ISO ball. Why? Because the players he's beating in ISO aren't even d league level talent. What I look for is hunger, athelticism, teamwork, maturity, how well they perform in offensive sets, defense, etc. fultz led his team to 9-22 before quitting on them and all I saw from him was ISO ball and pick and roll where the roll never happened. He had a very high bust risk in my opinion. And now I'm seeing it. So instead of telling me that we haven't seen enough to call him a bust, why don't you cite specifically what makes you think that this kid will show us anything different than what we've already seen? All he knows is hero ball and he isn't performing well enough vs NBA level defenders in that aspect. There's a reason he's coming off the bench. He is hurting is team due to failure to play team ball.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Fan from VT on October 25, 2017, 09:40:24 AM
I think it is too early to definitely call him a bust. There is a reason he was a consensus top pick (maybe not consensus #1), and was able to shoot 40+ % from 3 on 5 attempts per game for 25 games in college. Now, his FT % was concerning, no doubt, but not unredeemably awful.

I tend to believe the injury thing, but if that is the case, I do not understand the management of his injury.

Now, I am not an orthopedic doctor, but I would not be doing cortisone shots this early in the season. It doesn't really help the overall healing, it is something I would reserve for if he was needed in vital games, ie to clinch the playoffs or in playoff games, to bridge him until the offseason. Considering how many games Simmons and Embiid have missed, I would much rather have Fultz rest and do physical therapy to avoid steroid injections, especially since he seems to be learning really bad shooting habits to compensate for the pain. Why not rest him until he can shoot with preferred form? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 09:51:01 AM
That's a college 3 vs really bad players. Scoring in college isn't indicative of NBA replication. Look at McDermott? He was shooting close to 50% from 3. And then people started guarding him in the NBA. People like Jordan scored less but dominated games, made teammates better, played in an actual college program that ran offensive sets. Not just "here douggy go shoot a 3" at Mickey Mouse college in bumble****. You're citing stats? Go look up Adam Morrison and tell me if scoring in NCAA automatically means star in NBA. It doesn't translate 1 to 1. You need the killer instinct like Jaylen and Michael. Once these college scorers meet real men who are twice as big and twice as fast as them against well coached NBA defensive sets, if they don't have that killer instinct and learn and get better they shrink and get lost in the history books.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Surferdad on October 25, 2017, 09:57:48 AM
Sixers have had no problem shutting down rookies when injured for the year so it doesnt make sense if this is an injury.
Unless Fultz hid the injury, just like he hid the fact that he changed his shot just prior to training camp.  Something not right between the ears...
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Donoghus on October 25, 2017, 10:00:09 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 10:05:17 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Donoghus on October 25, 2017, 10:07:04 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.

That's a helluva conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on October 25, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
At the Philly game the other night I thought he resembled Shaq with the way he shot his free throws. The 76ers fans around me were mocking him and giving ironic cheers when he made a couple.

I don't have anything against Fultz but safe to say I'm glad his problems are not our problems.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 10:11:44 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.

That's a helluva conspiracy theory.

I'm an engineer so I look at all the facts and make the most likely conclusion. How else can you describe this bizarre situation ? We know he's not injured "can't lift his arm" or he wouldn't be playing. We know he's not NBA ready based on what we've seen. We know the sixers are "The Producers of broadway" NBA team. It's actually a highly plausible theory.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
i don't have anything against Fultz but safe to say I'm glad his problems are not our problems.
QFT
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: chambers on October 25, 2017, 10:28:40 AM
That's a college 3 vs really bad players. Scoring in college isn't indicative of NBA replication. Look at McDermott? He was shooting close to 50% from 3. And then people started guarding him in the NBA. People like Jordan scored less but dominated games, made teammates better, played in an actual college program that ran offensive sets. Not just "here douggy go shoot a 3" at Mickey Mouse college in bumble****. You're citing stats? Go look up Adam Morrison and tell me if scoring in NCAA automatically means star in NBA. It doesn't translate 1 to 1. You need the killer instinct like Jaylen and Michael. Once these college scorers meet real men who are twice as big and twice as fast as them against well coached NBA defensive sets, if they don't have that killer instinct and learn and get better they shrink and get lost in the history books.

If you're an engineer you'll understand that 3 or 4 games, in limited minutes, while being injured- is hardly a sample size to make any respectable judgement on.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
If you're an engineer you'll understand that 3 or 4 games, in limited minutes, while being injured- is hardly a sample size to make any respectable judgement on.
It's funny you should say that, because engineers I work with routinely request econometric analysis on samples that are smaller than this one.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: BitterJim on October 25, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.

That's a helluva conspiracy theory.

I'm an engineer so I look at all the facts and make the most likely conclusion. How else can you describe this bizarre situation ? We know he's not injured "can't lift his arm" or he wouldn't be playing. We know he's not NBA ready based on what we've seen. We know the sixers are "The Producers of broadway" NBA team. It's actually a highly plausible theory.

Do you also regularly bring up your status as an engineer in situations that have nothing to do with your expertise?  Being an engineer has nothing to do with your opinion on the inner workings of a professional sports organization, and bringing it up for no reason (in an apparent attempt to make your opinion look more qualified) just casts a negative light on engineering/engineers as a whole
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
That's a college 3 vs really bad players. Scoring in college isn't indicative of NBA replication. Look at McDermott? He was shooting close to 50% from 3. And then people started guarding him in the NBA. People like Jordan scored less but dominated games, made teammates better, played in an actual college program that ran offensive sets. Not just "here douggy go shoot a 3" at Mickey Mouse college in bumble****. You're citing stats? Go look up Adam Morrison and tell me if scoring in NCAA automatically means star in NBA. It doesn't translate 1 to 1. You need the killer instinct like Jaylen and Michael. Once these college scorers meet real men who are twice as big and twice as fast as them against well coached NBA defensive sets, if they don't have that killer instinct and learn and get better they shrink and get lost in the history books.

If you're an engineer you'll understand that 3 or 4 games, in limited minutes, while being injured- is hardly a sample size to make any respectable judgement on.

1) There is no proof that he is injured. There's actually overwhelming proof to suggest that he isn't: Changing stories (casting doubt on the injury story), the fact that he's playing, etc.
2) 3 or 4 games will give you 3 or 4 data points to analyze. Can I make a conclusion that Fultz will be the worst prospect of all time based on that data? No. But I can certainly say that his performances indicate that he is trending towards a bust. Anyone that says "It's too early" doesn't understand that it's never too early to begin analyzing data. You start analyzing after 2 data points and continue to analyze as more data is collected. As of now, he's in the bust category. He is showing NOTHING that leads me to believe that he will have a career anything better than JR Smith.

So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.

That's a helluva conspiracy theory.

I'm an engineer so I look at all the facts and make the most likely conclusion. How else can you describe this bizarre situation ? We know he's not injured "can't lift his arm" or he wouldn't be playing. We know he's not NBA ready based on what we've seen. We know the sixers are "The Producers of broadway" NBA team. It's actually a highly plausible theory.

Do you also regularly bring up your status as an engineer in situations that have nothing to do with your expertise?  Being an engineer has nothing to do with your opinion on the inner workings of a professional sports organization, and bringing it up for no reason (in an apparent attempt to make your opinion look more qualified) just casts a negative light on engineering/engineers as a whole

No, I don't go to bars and tell the bartender that he isn't making the drink correctly citing my engineering education. But when it comes to analysis and logical reasoning, I have a feeling that I am more qualified to solve a problem than the average person. Instead of arguing with my background, why don't you instead take the more respectable approach and explain to all of us what you see in Fultz that has impressed you so far other than "he's just a kid." No, he's the #1 draft pick and supposedly a generational talent. Both Ball and Tatum are thriving and he looks like he's headed to the d league.

I'll wait.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: celticsclay on October 25, 2017, 10:55:36 AM
I really hope for his sake they shut him down. I was also trying to think how often number 1 overall picks come off the bench. I would have to guess bennett did. Did anyone else in the last 10 years?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Donoghus on October 25, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
I really hope for his sake they shut him down. I was also trying to think how often number 1 overall picks come off the bench. I would have to guess bennett did. Did anyone else in the last 10 years?

You're right on Bennett.  Oden started almost 66% of the games he played in his de facto rookie season.  Besides that, you have #1s starting the vast majority of their games.  Most starting every one their rookie year.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: bdm860 on October 25, 2017, 11:17:46 AM
I really hope for his sake they shut him down. I was also trying to think how often number 1 overall picks come off the bench. I would have to guess bennett did. Did anyone else in the last 10 years?

You're right on Bennett.  Oden started almost 66% of the games he played in his de facto rookie season.  Besides that, you have #1s starting the vast majority of their games.  Most starting every one their rookie year.

Have to go back more than 10 years, but Bargnani and Kwame Brown are the only other 2 in more recent times to not start the majority of their games that first year as a #1 pick.

Now if you want to find guys who didn't bust, you have to go all the way back to Mark Aguirre '81) and James Worthy ('82).
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
Now if you want to find guys who didn't bust, you have to go all the way back to Mark Aguirre '81) and James Worthy ('82).
I assume you mean "guys who didn't start year 1 but didn't bust"?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: BitterJim on October 25, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
So, he's either hurt, has the yips, or a combination of the two.  And possibly dealing with an incompetent organization who would rather trot him out there in October games rather than letting him heal or rest.  And if the agent is to be believed, why would the organization let him "grind it out".  Especially in October?

Just a weird situation.

I believe that they realized he's not NBA ready, tried to give him a few reps off the bench in ISO sets to sell some jerseys and tickets and he failed in that as well so plan C is fake injury while they train him.

That's a helluva conspiracy theory.

I'm an engineer so I look at all the facts and make the most likely conclusion. How else can you describe this bizarre situation ? We know he's not injured "can't lift his arm" or he wouldn't be playing. We know he's not NBA ready based on what we've seen. We know the sixers are "The Producers of broadway" NBA team. It's actually a highly plausible theory.

Do you also regularly bring up your status as an engineer in situations that have nothing to do with your expertise?  Being an engineer has nothing to do with your opinion on the inner workings of a professional sports organization, and bringing it up for no reason (in an apparent attempt to make your opinion look more qualified) just casts a negative light on engineering/engineers as a whole

No, I don't go to bars and tell the bartender that he isn't making the drink correctly citing my engineering education. But when it comes to analysis and logical reasoning, I have a feeling that I am more qualified to solve a problem than the average person. Instead of arguing with my background, why don't you instead take the more respectable approach and explain to all of us what you see in Fultz that has impressed you so far other than "he's just a kid." No, he's the #1 draft pick and supposedly a generational talent. Both Ball and Tatum are thriving and he looks like he's headed to the d league.

I'll wait.

Note that I didn't say anything about how Fultz has impressed me (nor is the "he's just a kid" quote you included something I said...).  I'm not really sure where you even got that from, except from a general feeling that "He disagrees with me on this, therefore he must disagree on everything!".  You can wait for me to make an argument about something totally unrelated to what I said, but you'll be waiting for a while.

I have no problem with your opinion on Fultz (well, I do, but that's not relevant).  What I have a problem with is bringing up your background as an engineer as if it's at all relevant to your opinion on basketball.  (Also, note that that is not "arguing with your background".  Being an engineer does not give you advanced insight into basketball organizations or whether or not the 76ers are faking an injury.  Sorry.)

Let's be clear: I have no problem with you sharing whatever opinions you have.  What I do have a problem with is you acting like being an engineer gives you special insight into basketball or makes you smarter than everyone here.  You don't see Roy bringing up the fact that he's a lawyer in every discussion in an attempt to seem more qualified to talk about Smart's new shooting form, because it isn't relevant.  You don't see jpotter bringing his doctorate into discussions about salary cap rules, because it isn't relevant.  And you don't see the other engineers here (because, no, you are not the only one) bringing their profession into arguments about whether or not Fultz is actually injured vs. faking it to avoid looking bad because it isn't relevant.  I don't think I can say this enough: bringing up your profession when it has nothing to do with the situation/doesn't give you special insight (like in this case) just makes everyone else with that profession look bad.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Moranis on October 25, 2017, 12:01:42 PM
generally players that aren't injured don't get cortisone shots nor undergo physiotherapy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Big333223 on October 25, 2017, 12:13:31 PM
generally players that aren't injured don't get cortisone shots nor undergo physiotherapy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder
This is so strange to me. He supposedly can't lift his arms right so... why is he playing?

Also, his own agent doesn't know the difference between "having fluid drained" and "getting a cortisone shot." This whole situation is bizarre.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 12:13:56 PM
generally players that aren't injured don't get cortisone shots nor undergo physiotherapy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder
Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's "unable to lift his arm above his shoulder". Generally players that are that damaged don't play.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: byennie on October 25, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
No, I don't go to bars and tell the bartender that he isn't making the drink correctly citing my engineering education. But when it comes to analysis and logical reasoning, I have a feeling that I am more qualified to solve a problem than the average person. Instead of arguing with my background, why don't you instead take the more respectable approach and explain to all of us what you see in Fultz that has impressed you so far other than "he's just a kid." No, he's the #1 draft pick and supposedly a generational talent. Both Ball and Tatum are thriving and he looks like he's headed to the d league.

I'll wait.

Great, don't do it on a sports forum either. I'm a senior software engineer, I architect complex logic on a daily basis, I know plenty of people with advanced technical degrees and aptitude, blah blah blah. I'd be horrified if any of my peers went around taking the high ground in random arguments due to "being an engineer". Give me a break.

TL;DR; just stop, dude, you only come off as immature and condescending.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Moranis on October 25, 2017, 12:25:45 PM
generally players that aren't injured don't get cortisone shots nor undergo physiotherapy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder
Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's "unable to lift his arm above his shoulder". Generally players that are that damaged don't play.
I don't think that is necessarily true.  If there is no risk of causing harm (outside of the normal risk associated with playing), players play with all kinds of injuries all the time that they probably shouldn't be playing with and which could alter their mechanics in some way.  I mean Thomas last year was playing with/through the hip injury until he reinjured it causing too much pain. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
generally players that aren't injured don't get cortisone shots nor undergo physiotherapy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-cortisone-shot-shoulder
Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's "unable to lift his arm above his shoulder". Generally players that are that damaged don't play.
I don't think that is necessarily true.  If there is no risk of causing harm (outside of the normal risk associated with playing), players play with all kinds of injuries all the time that they probably shouldn't be playing with and which could alter their mechanics in some way.  I mean Thomas last year was playing with/through the hip injury until he reinjured it causing too much pain.
Yes, Thomas did that. And Pierce routinely played with an inflamed elbow that required regular drainage. But neither of these two appeared affected. So the point still stands -- if he's in so much pain that he can't execute fundamental techniques correctly, he probably wouldn't play.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Big333223 on October 25, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
Update: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21153797/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-miss-next-three-games

Fultz is going to be held out the next 3 games due to shoulder soreness.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 12:38:50 PM
It's actually the first time I've mentioned it, and it was directly related to someone saying that I was saying conspiracy theories. I wanted to cite that I'm not some conspiracy nut and I am actually looking at data and analyzing it like I would do at work. Yes, being an engineer doesn't mean that I can say for certainty that the Sixers are lying, but maybe I'm seeing something that you aren't seeing: A pattern of deceit and incompetence. It's absolutely absurd for you to believe that your personal profession doesn't give you any advantage over others in specific areas:

The lawyer would be better suited to evaluate a contract or legal dispute.
The mathematician would be better suited to go in depth into the statistical analysis.
The doctor would be better suited to give a prognosis based on visual injury inspection (Hayward).
The engineer would be better suited to solve an unexplainable problem through deduction and analysis of past indicators.

Citing your experience is important when making a statement that may be controversial. For example if I told you Hayward's injury looked like it would be healed in 4 months, would you feel better, worse, or neutral if I also told you that I'm head of surgery at Johns Hopkins?

So we have a problem:
Markelle Fultz is playing injured, is playing bad, and his agent is changing the story.

I broke these down 1 by 1:
1) Markelle Fultz is playing injured.
Facts:
a) Okafor was cited needing 6 weeks recovery time, it took 6 months.

b) They shut down Simmons for 1 year because he had a foot fracture during practice.
ESPN's Jeff Goodman (h/t ESPN.com's Marc Stein) reported prior to the surgery that Simmons was expected to miss three months with a return date in December or January.

c) Embiid -- well you know this story. You'd think the amount the guy sat out, they rebuilt his entire body from scratch.

Conclusion: The Sixers do not take chances with their stars and are not afraid to shut down a rookie. Why would he be playing? Most likely answer: He is either not injured or it isn't significant.

2) Fultz is playing bad.
Facts:
a) Out of all of the top (5?) prospects, Fultz had the worst college record:
Fultz (9-22)
Ball (31-5)
Tatum (28-9)
Jackson (31-5)
Fox (32-6)

b) After we got the #1 pick, I watched a lot of his games in college, a lot of highlights, etc and I noticed a trend: He played hero ball and disappeared a lot. He was very successful in ISO situations and what I like to call Pick and Roll without the roll, but he did it against bad college players and didn't make his teammates better and it was evident in the standings. For example, do you really believe that if Michael Jordan was on that team it would have finished 9-22?

c) He had bad performances in both the Celtics and Sixers workouts. We all saw the 76ers clip where he missed pretty much every single shot, unguarded. Was he injured then, too?

d) His plus minus is -6.6. His VORP and win shares are also negative. He is hurting his team eveyr time he's on the court.

Conclusion: He doesn't look NBA ready yet. He needs more development to understand how to play team ball.

3) His agent keeps changing the story:
a) His agent posts that he can't lift his arm and fluid is being drained from his arm. We have proof that he did raise his arm (I posted a picture). Fultz retweets this.
b) Fultz later deletes the tweet
c) Now his agent posts that it's actually a cortisone shot (fluid going in).

Conclusion: His agent either doesn't understand what is being done for his STAR player (what!?), or he's just doing damage control. (I think the latter is more believable given Fultz retweeted the incorrect information. You'd think he'd know what's happening to his own shoulder, no?).

So that's it:
1) He's not injured (or it's not serious)
2) He's not NBA ready
3) His agent is doing damage control.

Is it really that hard to believe that they're giving him reps against the opposing team's bench players to make him look good and sell a few jerseys, it failed, now they're doing damage control? He needs d league development, in my opinion. My take seems to be the correct one and not the conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 25, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
Should we offer the Lakers pick back to Philly for Fultz .....his stock is low . 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
Update: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21153797/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-miss-next-three-games

Fultz is going to be held out the next 3 games due to shoulder soreness.
Who said there were no plans for him to miss games, again?

Oy vey.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: D Dub on October 25, 2017, 01:30:11 PM
I actually think Erik has the best theory I've read.  Very plausible when you consider how invested Philly and his agent are.  If he's just bad without being hurt, Coangelo gets exposed hardcore and should lose his job. 

And an aside -- what fun is it to analyze a situation that has come to its conclusion?  I always laugh at the prevalent comment seen here that, 'we haven't seen enough to form any opinion yet'. 
Really? 
Then why spend time talking hopes on a this blog debating the future of the team.  We all like to play arm-chair GM, and that means making predictions on limited data. 

And fwiw, I'm not an engineer and spend more time surfing the ocean than the internet ---- but was calling Fultz a bust from day one.   

It's now on Markele to change the narrative, because there is no getting around how ugly his game is.

Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: bdm860 on October 25, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
According to Reddit, this is a video of Fultz from 3 weeks ago:

https://streamable.com/zqbnu

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/54451401d52c0dd2fe9ee5752857d53c/tenor.gif?itemid=3579864)




Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: BitterJim on October 25, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
It's actually the first time I've mentioned it, and it was directly related to someone saying that I was saying conspiracy theories. I wanted to cite that I'm not some conspiracy nut and I am actually looking at data and analyzing it like I would do at work. Yes, being an engineer doesn't mean that I can say for certainty that the Sixers are lying, but maybe I'm seeing something that you aren't seeing: A pattern of deceit and incompetence. It's absolutely absurd for you to believe that your personal profession doesn't give you any advantage over others in specific areas:

The lawyer would be better suited to evaluate a contract or legal dispute.
The mathematician would be better suited to go in depth into the statistical analysis.
The doctor would be better suited to give a prognosis based on visual injury inspection (Hayward).
The engineer would be better suited to solve an unexplainable problem through deduction and analysis of past indicators.

Citing your experience is important when making a statement that may be controversial. For example if I told you Hayward's injury looked like it would be healed in 4 months, would you feel better, worse, or neutral if I also told you that I'm head of surgery at Johns Hopkins?

So we have a problem:
Markelle Fultz is playing injured, is playing bad, and his agent is changing the story.

I broke these down 1 by 1:
1) Markelle Fultz is playing injured.
Facts:
a) Okafor was cited needing 6 weeks recovery time, it took 6 months.

b) They shut down Simmons for 1 year because he had a foot fracture during practice.
ESPN's Jeff Goodman (h/t ESPN.com's Marc Stein) reported prior to the surgery that Simmons was expected to miss three months with a return date in December or January.

c) Embiid -- well you know this story. You'd think the amount the guy sat out, they rebuilt his entire body from scratch.

Conclusion: The Sixers do not take chances with their stars and are not afraid to shut down a rookie. Why would he be playing? Most likely answer: He is either not injured or it isn't significant.

2) Fultz is playing bad.
Facts:
a) Out of all of the top (5?) prospects, Fultz had the worst college record:
Fultz (9-22)
Ball (31-5)
Tatum (28-9)
Jackson (31-5)
Fox (32-6)

b) After we got the #1 pick, I watched a lot of his games in college, a lot of highlights, etc and I noticed a trend: He played hero ball and disappeared a lot. He was very successful in ISO situations and what I like to call Pick and Roll without the roll, but he did it against bad college players and didn't make his teammates better and it was evident in the standings. For example, do you really believe that if Michael Jordan was on that team it would have finished 9-22?

c) He had bad performances in both the Celtics and Sixers workouts. We all saw the 76ers clip where he missed pretty much every single shot, unguarded. Was he injured then, too?

d) His plus minus is -6.6. His VORP and win shares are also negative. He is hurting his team eveyr time he's on the court.

Conclusion: He doesn't look NBA ready yet. He needs more development to understand how to play team ball.

3) His agent keeps changing the story:
a) His agent posts that he can't lift his arm and fluid is being drained from his arm. We have proof that he did raise his arm (I posted a picture). Fultz retweets this.
b) Fultz later deletes the tweet
c) Now his agent posts that it's actually a cortisone shot (fluid going in).

Conclusion: His agent either doesn't understand what is being done for his STAR player (what!?), or he's just doing damage control. (I think the latter is more believable given Fultz retweeted the incorrect information. You'd think he'd know what's happening to his own shoulder, no?).

So that's it:
1) He's not injured (or it's not serious)
2) He's not NBA ready
3) His agent is doing damage control.

Is it really that hard to believe that they're giving him reps against the opposing team's bench players to make him look good and sell a few jerseys, it failed, now they're doing damage control? He needs d league development, in my opinion. My take seems to be the correct one and not the conspiracy theory.

Of course people weighing in on their areas of expertise is beneficial.  The issue is that this is not the area of expertise for an engineer.  Being an engineer does not make you better able to analyze how a professional basketball franchise is running (or "better suited to solve an unexplainable problem through deduction and analysis of past indicators".  Everyone in the world is able to see patterns and draw conclusions from them). 

Being an engineer is very relevant if something comes up in your area of expertise, but again, the inner workings of basketball organizations is not your area of expertise.  Being an engineer is irrelevant in this case.  Just present your theory, don't attempt to make it seem superior because of your profession.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: kozlodoev on October 25, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
According to Reddit, this is a video of Fultz from 3 weeks ago:

https://streamable.com/zqbnu
Theoretically, this may have been before he needed to have a cortisone shot.

On a related note, this particular routine looks like something that should be named "looking for lower back troubles". I've never seen this type of jerk before.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jpotter33 on October 25, 2017, 03:26:40 PM
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/10/markelle-fultz-to-miss-at-least-three-games.html

Lol now Colangelo is saying the change in Fultz's shot might be the cause of his shoulder injury. What a mess.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Fan from VT on October 25, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
Relevant article on The Ringer

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/25/16542912/markelle-fultz-sixers-shoulder-medical
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Monkhouse on October 25, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
It's actually the first time I've mentioned it, and it was directly related to someone saying that I was saying conspiracy theories. I wanted to cite that I'm not some conspiracy nut and I am actually looking at data and analyzing it like I would do at work. Yes, being an engineer doesn't mean that I can say for certainty that the Sixers are lying, but maybe I'm seeing something that you aren't seeing: A pattern of deceit and incompetence. It's absolutely absurd for you to believe that your personal profession doesn't give you any advantage over others in specific areas:

The lawyer would be better suited to evaluate a contract or legal dispute.
The mathematician would be better suited to go in depth into the statistical analysis.
The doctor would be better suited to give a prognosis based on visual injury inspection (Hayward).
The engineer would be better suited to solve an unexplainable problem through deduction and analysis of past indicators.

Citing your experience is important when making a statement that may be controversial. For example if I told you Hayward's injury looked like it would be healed in 4 months, would you feel better, worse, or neutral if I also told you that I'm head of surgery at Johns Hopkins?

So we have a problem:
Markelle Fultz is playing injured, is playing bad, and his agent is changing the story.

I broke these down 1 by 1:
1) Markelle Fultz is playing injured.
Facts:
a) Okafor was cited needing 6 weeks recovery time, it took 6 months.

b) They shut down Simmons for 1 year because he had a foot fracture during practice.
ESPN's Jeff Goodman (h/t ESPN.com's Marc Stein) reported prior to the surgery that Simmons was expected to miss three months with a return date in December or January.

c) Embiid -- well you know this story. You'd think the amount the guy sat out, they rebuilt his entire body from scratch.

Conclusion: The Sixers do not take chances with their stars and are not afraid to shut down a rookie. Why would he be playing? Most likely answer: He is either not injured or it isn't significant.

2) Fultz is playing bad.
Facts:
a) Out of all of the top (5?) prospects, Fultz had the worst college record:
Fultz (9-22)
Ball (31-5)
Tatum (28-9)
Jackson (31-5)
Fox (32-6)

b) After we got the #1 pick, I watched a lot of his games in college, a lot of highlights, etc and I noticed a trend: He played hero ball and disappeared a lot. He was very successful in ISO situations and what I like to call Pick and Roll without the roll, but he did it against bad college players and didn't make his teammates better and it was evident in the standings. For example, do you really believe that if Michael Jordan was on that team it would have finished 9-22?

c) He had bad performances in both the Celtics and Sixers workouts. We all saw the 76ers clip where he missed pretty much every single shot, unguarded. Was he injured then, too?

d) His plus minus is -6.6. His VORP and win shares are also negative. He is hurting his team eveyr time he's on the court.

Conclusion: He doesn't look NBA ready yet. He needs more development to understand how to play team ball.

3) His agent keeps changing the story:
a) His agent posts that he can't lift his arm and fluid is being drained from his arm. We have proof that he did raise his arm (I posted a picture). Fultz retweets this.
b) Fultz later deletes the tweet
c) Now his agent posts that it's actually a cortisone shot (fluid going in).

Conclusion: His agent either doesn't understand what is being done for his STAR player (what!?), or he's just doing damage control. (I think the latter is more believable given Fultz retweeted the incorrect information. You'd think he'd know what's happening to his own shoulder, no?).

So that's it:
1) He's not injured (or it's not serious)
2) He's not NBA ready
3) His agent is doing damage control.

Is it really that hard to believe that they're giving him reps against the opposing team's bench players to make him look good and sell a few jerseys, it failed, now they're doing damage control? He needs d league development, in my opinion. My take seems to be the correct one and not the conspiracy theory.

Of course people weighing in on their areas of expertise is beneficial.  The issue is that this is not the area of expertise for an engineer.  Being an engineer does not make you better able to analyze how a professional basketball franchise is running (or "better suited to solve an unexplainable problem through deduction and analysis of past indicators".  Everyone in the world is able to see patterns and draw conclusions from them). 

Being an engineer is very relevant if something comes up in your area of expertise, but again, the inner workings of basketball organizations is not your area of expertise.  Being an engineer is irrelevant in this case.  Just present your theory, don't attempt to make it seem superior because of your profession.

TP. Agree with everything you said.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: incoherent on October 25, 2017, 03:54:31 PM
The agent and player are bad liars trying to cover for his bad performance. 

I love that this happened.



Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on October 25, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/10/markelle-fultz-to-miss-at-least-three-games.html

Lol now Colangelo is saying the change in Fultz's shot might be the cause of his shoulder injury. What a mess.

I don't underatand why any of these players stick around this organization. I'd be out the door first chance. Obviously in embiids case he had no shot making that money elsewhere, but if I'm Simmons I'm gone first chance. Simmons looks like he could make it in the NBA as long as he develops a jumper as minimal as LeBron did.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jdz101 on October 29, 2017, 03:03:02 AM
Meanwhile Tatum shooting 50/50/85.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Big333223 on October 30, 2017, 08:24:59 AM
Fultz now out 3 weeks with whatever is going on with his shoulder. Which alleviates none of the initial questions for me.

I still think it's totally possible Fultz becomes a multi-year all star in his career but man, am I glad the Celtics aren't dealing with this crap.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jpotter33 on November 03, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2742212-this-is-not-normal-markelle-fultz-injury-reasons-behind-it-confound-the-nba

Interesting article detailing this strange situation.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Eja117 on November 03, 2017, 12:37:54 PM
Who's Fultz?
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: footey on November 03, 2017, 12:52:12 PM
Sounds more like a loss of confidence. He seems like a good kid. Hope he works it out.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
It can be from incorrect form or something more serious, like a neurological issue that effects muscle recruitment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3105366/


If the weakness comes out to be neurological, that would be quite the red flag
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 01:40:40 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2742212-this-is-not-normal-markelle-fultz-injury-reasons-behind-it-confound-the-nba

Interesting article detailing this strange situation.
good read
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: trickybilly on November 05, 2017, 01:14:44 AM
Who's Fultz?

I think it's actually a foodstuff, like a pilsner or a type of mature cheese. Sounds nice though.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 05, 2017, 03:30:12 AM
Regardless of how he and the rest of the sixers prospects pan out, they have to wonder if it was worth it. Yet another headache to deal with on a to draft pick.

Literally every one of them they have had some issue with. Noel, Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz. You have 0 all-star appearances thus far, 4 full seasons missed to injury, a guy who can’t crack the rotation, and now yet another mystery. Simmons and Embiid are both talented, no doubt, but one can’t shoot and the other is seemingly somewhere between Bynum and Oden on the brittle-meter.

Ah well. Thanks for Tatum and the pick!
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: ChillyWilly on November 05, 2017, 07:02:25 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 08:54:34 AM
Regardless of how he and the rest of the sixers prospects pan out, they have to wonder if it was worth it. Yet another headache to deal with on a to draft pick.

Literally every one of them they have had some issue with. Noel, Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz. You have 0 all-star appearances thus far, 4 full seasons missed to injury, a guy who can’t crack the rotation, and now yet another mystery. Simmons and Embiid are both talented, no doubt, but one can’t shoot and the other is seemingly somewhere between Bynum and Oden on the brittle-meter.

Ah well. Thanks for Tatum and the pick!
So if Embiid and Simmons become superstars that lead the Sixers to 8 finals in the next 10 seasons winning 3 of them, it wouldn't have been worth it?  Guess what.  It is going to take a lot less than that to make it worth it.  Since they won the championship in 82/83, they've only made the finals once.  So far the notion that the multiyear tank cost them a generation of fans has already been disproven.  They sold out of their season tickets this season and are 2nd in home attendance.  Embiid has shown he'll be a franchise player if he remains healthy.  Simmons performance so far suggests he may be too. 

Young players rarely make the allstar game but Embiid almost did last season while playing limited minutes in his 1st season.  This is Simmons and Fultz first year playing so how were they supposed to make it?  Guess what.  Towns and Wiggins haven't made the allstar game either.  Giannis made it for the 1st time last season in his 4th year.  I'm not 100% certain but I think he is the 1st allstar from the 2013 draft and beyond. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Sketch5 on November 05, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
Regardless of how he and the rest of the sixers prospects pan out, they have to wonder if it was worth it. Yet another headache to deal with on a to draft pick.

Literally every one of them they have had some issue with. Noel, Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz. You have 0 all-star appearances thus far, 4 full seasons missed to injury, a guy who can’t crack the rotation, and now yet another mystery. Simmons and Embiid are both talented, no doubt, but one can’t shoot and the other is seemingly somewhere between Bynum and Oden on the brittle-meter.

Ah well. Thanks for Tatum and the pick!
So if Embiid and Simmons become superstars that lead the Sixers to 8 finals in the next 10 seasons winning 3 of them, it wouldn't have been worth it?  Guess what.  It is going to take a lot less than that to make it worth it.  Since they won the championship in 82/83, they've only made the finals once.  So far the notion that the multiyear tank cost them a generation of fans has already been disproven.  They sold out of their season tickets this season and are 2nd in home attendance.  Embiid has shown he'll be a franchise player if he remains healthy.  Simmons performance so far suggests he may be too. 

Young players rarely make the allstar game but Embiid almost did last season while playing limited minutes in his 1st season.  This is Simmons and Fultz first year playing so how were they supposed to make it?  Guess what.  Towns and Wiggins haven't made the allstar game either.  Giannis made it for the 1st time last season in his 4th year.  I'm not 100% certain but I think he is the 1st allstar from the 2013 draft and beyond.

Thats a stretch right now. Yeah they are 5th in east, but good teams are playing like crap and bad teams are playing really well right now. I mean Wash is 4 and 4. The Cavs,Mil, and Miami should all get better as the season goes on, and sixers should bottom out. Only reason they're 5th is they've won there last 4 games and only the win against Huston was impressive. Beating Atl and Dal should happen.

I mean the Knicks are 4 and 4 right now. Who would have seen that with one of the wins over the CAVS.

Also gotta remember we are the 3rd youngest team. We have Brown,Tatum,Rozier,Smart to match the Sixers young guys, and a possible top 5 player next season or the season after. Plus Irving is still young and Hayward is slightly older, but game should age well into his 30's. The Sixers will have to go threw us over the next 10 years if they can keep everyone.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 09:17:26 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Because Fultz was arguably the best prospect in the draft and his skillset should fit great with Simmons and Embiid.  Of course that was before he screwed up his shot.  Who else should they have taken? 

Tatum - Ainge probably wouldn't have made the trade if the Sixers wanted Tatum.  Would have added another player to the Sixers crowded front court when they need guards. 
Lonzo - Smaller, lesser version of Simmons with significant limitations
Josh Jackson - Shooting concerns.  Not a good fit with Simmons. 
Fox - My favorite in this draft but shooting concerns so not a good fit with Simmons. 
Isaac - More of a project.  Adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Markannen - Really adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Ntilikina - Too much of a project to take 1st or 3rd. 
Collins - Yikes!!  Bad pick for the Blazers.  Would have been really dumb for the Sixers. 
Monk -  There is a reason he dropped this far.  His upside is limited. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: ChillyWilly on November 05, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Because Fultz was arguably the best prospect in the draft and his skillset should fit great with Simmons and Embiid.  Of course that was before he screwed up his shot.  Who else should they have taken? 

Tatum - Ainge probably wouldn't have made the trade if the Sixers wanted Tatum.  Would have added another player to the Sixers crowded front court when they need guards. 
Lonzo - Smaller, lesser version of Simmons with significant limitations
Josh Jackson - Shooting concerns.  Not a good fit with Simmons. 
Fox - My favorite in this draft but shooting concerns so not a good fit with Simmons. 
Isaac - More of a project.  Adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Markannen - Really adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Ntilikina - Too much of a project to take 1st or 3rd. 
Collins - Yikes!!  Bad pick for the Blazers.  Would have been really dumb for the Sixers. 
Monk -  There is a reason he dropped this far.  His upside is limited.

All those guys are a bad fit for Simmons what makes Fultz a good one? I was under the assumption he needed the ball in his hands.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 10:39:04 AM
Regardless of how he and the rest of the sixers prospects pan out, they have to wonder if it was worth it. Yet another headache to deal with on a to draft pick.

Literally every one of them they have had some issue with. Noel, Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz. You have 0 all-star appearances thus far, 4 full seasons missed to injury, a guy who can’t crack the rotation, and now yet another mystery. Simmons and Embiid are both talented, no doubt, but one can’t shoot and the other is seemingly somewhere between Bynum and Oden on the brittle-meter.

Ah well. Thanks for Tatum and the pick!
So if Embiid and Simmons become superstars that lead the Sixers to 8 finals in the next 10 seasons winning 3 of them, it wouldn't have been worth it?  Guess what.  It is going to take a lot less than that to make it worth it.  Since they won the championship in 82/83, they've only made the finals once.  So far the notion that the multiyear tank cost them a generation of fans has already been disproven.  They sold out of their season tickets this season and are 2nd in home attendance.  Embiid has shown he'll be a franchise player if he remains healthy.  Simmons performance so far suggests he may be too. 

Young players rarely make the allstar game but Embiid almost did last season while playing limited minutes in his 1st season.  This is Simmons and Fultz first year playing so how were they supposed to make it?  Guess what.  Towns and Wiggins haven't made the allstar game either.  Giannis made it for the 1st time last season in his 4th year.  I'm not 100% certain but I think he is the 1st allstar from the 2013 draft and beyond.

Thats a stretch right now. Yeah they are 5th in east, but good teams are playing like crap and bad teams are playing really well right now. I mean Wash is 4 and 4. The Cavs,Mil, and Miami should all get better as the season goes on, and sixers should bottom out. Only reason they're 5th is they've won there last 4 games and only the win against Huston was impressive. Beating Atl and Dal should happen.

I mean the Knicks are 4 and 4 right now. Who would have seen that with one of the wins over the CAVS.

Also gotta remember we are the 3rd youngest team. We have Brown,Tatum,Rozier,Smart to match the Sixers young guys, and a possible top 5 player next season or the season after. Plus Irving is still young and Hayward is slightly older, but game should age well into his 30's. The Sixers will have to go threw us over the next 10 years if they can keep everyone.
Try reading what I wrote again.  I didn't make any predictions or comment on whether the Sixers would make the playoffs this year.  I highlighted and commented to a nonsensical statement that no matter how their prospects turned out that you'd have to wonder if it was worth it.  I went over the top to do so. 

If you want to talk about this season, I think they'll make the playoffs if Embiid plays 60+ games and their other key players remain relatively healthy.  They have a much tougher 1st half of the season.  They've already played Houston (twice), Washington, Boston, Toronto, Pistons, Pacers, Hawks and Mavs.  The Houston 1st game loss was on a buzzer beater and the Washington game went down to the end to.  The only bad beat was Toronto but that was without Embiid.  So 5-4 is a really nice start for them. 

The Pistons, Magic, Hornets and Pacers are ahead of the teams you mentioned as well.  So why are the Sixers going to "bottom out" and those other teams won't?  There will probably be 4 teams, including the Sixers, competing for the last two playoff spots at the end of the season. 

If Embiid and Simmons reach their potential, they will be significantly better than our young players.  Tatum has Pierce potential, Brown is less than that, Rozier is a role player and Smart is a role player with a good chance of not being on our team after this season.  Yes we should be getting a top 5 pick with the Lakers/Kings pick but the Sixers may well also and they, not us, are the only ones with the chance at the getting the #1 picks in 2018 and 2019.  If the Sixers don't make the playoffs this season, that is another solid pick they'll get. 

It is humorous when people on here raise the "if they can keep everyone".  They are dealing with rookies which means smaller max contracts possibly to deal with in the future.  If they do end up with several young players deserving Max contracts, they can choose who to keep and who to trade off for good role players and picks.  That's a good problem to have. 

We're the ones with immediate cap/tax concerns.  Unless his offers really suck, there is a good chance we lose Smart after this season.  Considering Brown's development so far, I don't think that is a bad thing.  There is also no guarantee that Irving re-signs with us in two years.  He'll attract a lot of interest and there should be more teams with Max cap space available. 



Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Because Fultz was arguably the best prospect in the draft and his skillset should fit great with Simmons and Embiid.  Of course that was before he screwed up his shot.  Who else should they have taken? 

Tatum - Ainge probably wouldn't have made the trade if the Sixers wanted Tatum.  Would have added another player to the Sixers crowded front court when they need guards. 
Lonzo - Smaller, lesser version of Simmons with significant limitations
Josh Jackson - Shooting concerns.  Not a good fit with Simmons. 
Fox - My favorite in this draft but shooting concerns so not a good fit with Simmons. 
Isaac - More of a project.  Adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Markannen - Really adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Ntilikina - Too much of a project to take 1st or 3rd. 
Collins - Yikes!!  Bad pick for the Blazers.  Would have been really dumb for the Sixers. 
Monk -  There is a reason he dropped this far.  His upside is limited.
this draft was deep. They could have stayed where they were and taken fox or another guard. Good guards are easy to find. The first red flag was when Fultz had a terrible workout with Boston. 2nd one was his terrible workout with the sixers. 76ers chose to ignore. Danny didn't. A good gm should be able to draft an elite  guard at 3. 76ers prove their way ignorance. Fultz was not above and beyond better than fox or DJS. Fox is shooting 40% from 3 now
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Because Fultz was arguably the best prospect in the draft and his skillset should fit great with Simmons and Embiid.  Of course that was before he screwed up his shot.  Who else should they have taken? 

Tatum - Ainge probably wouldn't have made the trade if the Sixers wanted Tatum.  Would have added another player to the Sixers crowded front court when they need guards. 
Lonzo - Smaller, lesser version of Simmons with significant limitations
Josh Jackson - Shooting concerns.  Not a good fit with Simmons. 
Fox - My favorite in this draft but shooting concerns so not a good fit with Simmons. 
Isaac - More of a project.  Adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Markannen - Really adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Ntilikina - Too much of a project to take 1st or 3rd. 
Collins - Yikes!!  Bad pick for the Blazers.  Would have been really dumb for the Sixers. 
Monk -  There is a reason he dropped this far.  His upside is limited.

All those guys are a bad fit for Simmons what makes Fultz a good one? I was under the assumption he needed the ball in his hands.
"Needs to have the ball in his hands" is a very simplistic statement that gets thrown around haphazardly.  Sometimes it makes sense but often it does not.  The Cavs would love to get IT back soon so they would have someone to relieve the offensive load on Lebron.  The Rockets just traded for Paul even though they had Harden.  The Heat won a couple championships with Lebron and Wade.  Teams need at least a couple good ball handers/shot creators in order to be successful. 

Assuming he gets his shooting back, Fultz can play off ball at times and he can take the lead at times in the half court.  They can both be good in the pick and roll with Embiid and also with each other.  Embiid already has a few good assists from Simmons cutting and posting.  Simmons has been playing some with McConnell and it has been working pretty well even though McConnell isn't a shooter. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 11:57:42 AM
Now that we see what Simmons is it does make you wonder why they wanted to pair him with Fultz so badly.
Because Fultz was arguably the best prospect in the draft and his skillset should fit great with Simmons and Embiid.  Of course that was before he screwed up his shot.  Who else should they have taken? 

Tatum - Ainge probably wouldn't have made the trade if the Sixers wanted Tatum.  Would have added another player to the Sixers crowded front court when they need guards. 
Lonzo - Smaller, lesser version of Simmons with significant limitations
Josh Jackson - Shooting concerns.  Not a good fit with Simmons. 
Fox - My favorite in this draft but shooting concerns so not a good fit with Simmons. 
Isaac - More of a project.  Adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Markannen - Really adds to Sixers crowded front court. 
Ntilikina - Too much of a project to take 1st or 3rd. 
Collins - Yikes!!  Bad pick for the Blazers.  Would have been really dumb for the Sixers. 
Monk -  There is a reason he dropped this far.  His upside is limited.
this draft was deep. They could have stayed where they were and taken fox or another guard. Good guards are easy to find. The first red flag was when Fultz had a terrible workout with Boston. 2nd one was his terrible workout with the sixers. 76ers chose to ignore. Danny didn't. A good gm should be able to draft an elite  guard at 3. 76ers prove their way ignorance. Fultz was not above and beyond better than fox or DJS. Fox is shooting 40% from 3 now
If I was Colangelo, I would have stayed at #3.  If Fultz was available, I would have probably taken him even though Fox was my favorite player in this draft.  The Sixers workout was more a rushed press event than a work out.  A bad workout isn't a red flag. It is a data point to be considered along with the college performance and all the scouting you've done. 

Fultz shot over 41.3% from 3 on 126 attempts in college.  Fox shot 24.6% from 3 on 69 attempts.  He's not shooting 40% from 3 now.  He is shooting 27.3% on 11 attempts.  Even if was shooting 40%, trying to make any claims this early in the season on so few attempts is a very silly thing to do.   As for DSJ, I don't think he'd have been a good fit for the Sixers.  I don't think he'd handle being 3rd fiddle to Embiid and Simmons well.  Fultz's laid back personality is a better fit.  Fultz game is better compliment to them also.  And BTW, Smith is shooting 30% from 3 and 53.8% from the line. 
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 19, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Phantom255x on November 19, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Just announce he's done for the season already..
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 19, 2017, 04:04:44 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Just announce he's done for the season already..
they're probably still trying to sell season tickets or something. The process lol
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 19, 2017, 04:24:13 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Just announce he's done for the season already..

Where did you read that?

All reports out recently state he’s going to be out for 2-3  more weeks only.

Edit: My apologies I miss read your post.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: GratefulCs on November 19, 2017, 04:45:42 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Just announce he's done for the season already..

Where did you read that?

All reports out recently state he’s going to be out for 2-3  more weeks only.

Edit: My apologies I miss read your post.
i think he just means "might as well announce he's done for the season just like all their previous picks"

jokingly

not that he's ACTUALLY out for the season
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: jdz101 on November 19, 2017, 04:50:14 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Conveniently just enough time to duck Tatum at the end of november.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Erik on November 19, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
They're really selling this fake injury.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Phantom255x on November 19, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
Fultz out another 2-3 weeks

Just announce he's done for the season already..

Where did you read that?

All reports out recently state he’s going to be out for 2-3  more weeks only.

Edit: My apologies I miss read your post.
i think he just means "might as well announce he's done for the season just like all their previous picks"

jokingly

not that he's ACTUALLY out for the season

Yeah, I said it jokingly, but honestly I see this happening.

It will keep dragging on for weeks, and then they'll just announce his season is over. They are just delaying the inevitable.

Seems like w/e Fultz is dealing with, is actually pretty serious.
Title: Re: Fultz hasn't attempted a field goal past 14 feet this season. (Injured?)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 06:25:08 AM
At least 2 to 3 weeks more.

http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/markelle-fultz-progressing-not-ready-return-sixers-yet?amp
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 20, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
C's lucky to have Tatum playing a nice role to plug in for Hayward.   So , Fultz would have been of little help the first half of the season , unable to step in and help at guard.  And if IT was not traded ....no Kyrie ....no help first half either while Thomas is recovering  .   The record would have been lucky to be .500 ....with no Hayward , no Fultz or IT.   Basically Brown and Al .

Would have looked like Cavs .    Cavs are basically Love and Bron and .500 team at moment.  With Bron needing a triple double nearly ever night for them to win or 40 points.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: DooVoo on November 20, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up needing surgery and was shut down for the year.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: CelticsElite on November 20, 2017, 09:19:01 PM
Fultz is terrible at defense. He would have ruined this run badly with his defense, bricked shots, and importantly bricked free throws
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: CelticsElite on December 10, 2017, 03:55:21 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248286/Markelle-Fultz-No-Longer-Feeling-Shoulder-Soreness

Fultz is no longer Injured but not playing. Bizarre. I still stand by my thought that he isn't injured and never was. They see he's a bust and are trying to figure out how to move him lol
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: mr. dee on December 10, 2017, 04:49:25 AM
C's lucky to have Tatum playing a nice role to plug in for Hayward.   So , Fultz would have been of little help the first half of the season , unable to step in and help at guard.  And if IT was not traded ....no Kyrie ....no help first half either while Thomas is recovering  .   The record would have been lucky to be .500 ....with no Hayward , no Fultz or IT.   Basically Brown and Al .

Would have looked like Cavs .    Cavs are basically Love and Bron and .500 team at moment.  With Bron needing a triple double nearly ever night for them to win or 40 points.

Danny would have taken Tatum regardless if they traded the pick or not.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 09:05:01 AM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248286/Markelle-Fultz-No-Longer-Feeling-Shoulder-Soreness

Fultz is no longer Injured but not playing. Bizarre. I still stand by my thought that he isn't injured and never was. They see he's a bust and are trying to figure out how to move him lol

Yep. It has been fake all along. Instead of sending him to the d league they're practicing with him in private to become some form of an NBA player (read: not completely terrible). The team, the coach and medical staff found nothing wrong with him other than minor soreness that all NBA players play through and sent him out to play (after he had already changed his shot). After ridicule of how terrible he is, they pulled him for no reason other than the agent (who didn't even know if the fluid was going in or out) said he's hurt (not the medical staff) This should be investigated by the NBA. We all already know Fultz sucks, but they shouldn't be allowed to lie about it through the veil of a fake injury.
Title: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: CelticsElite on December 10, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
This is the latest development in the Fultz saga:
 https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/939557537799696385

Quote
"Markelle Fultz is "no longer experiencing soreness in his right shoulder and the scapular muscle imbalance is resolved." Will continue PT and "elevated on-court basketball activities", and they'll "gauge his readiness in approximately 3 weeks.""



From the fans at 76er forums:
"so he has no pain at all, but he gets 3 more weeks? THREE? this is a joke. his shot somehow broke over the summer and he isnt able to find his old stroke back is all i get from this. frustrating"

"This is amazing. Gordon Hayward is out of his boot in less than two weeks. His foot almost fell off and it wouldn't shock me if he made his return ahead of Fultz despite the fact that his imbalance has been corrected and he feels no pain."  ;D

"Fultz is such a mental midget.

following him on social media is fascinating. he genuinely seems like one of the dumbest players I've ever seen"


"If in 3 weeks he's not on the floor, I'm going to extremely disappointed and angry."

"****OOO plz some of you defend fultz and the org some more plz

This team and fultz are the biggest jokes in the NBA

Im out for a bit I think. This team is just incredibly stupid and quite frankly doesnt deserve success right now

100% healthy and gona re evaluate in 3 more weeks AGAIN ****oo"

"Mental midget is 100% how I will refer to him from now on until he proves hes worth shedding that. Mental midget is a joke right now and for all I care at this point we can get another top 5 pick to then have sitout 2 years too. Joke of an org"

"I was really patient with this situation, but now i'm really p---ed. It was long enough already to deal with this kind of injury If they said that he'll start practicing but they won't let him play I'll be fine with it. But he missed over a month, now they say pain is gone and he'll be EVALUATED again in 3 weeks.

I can't make any conclusions like some posters here, cause we really don't have info, but I am really p---ed off and won't understand anyone who is cool with this situation, cause it's a complete joke right now."



"Great news, he’s 3 weeks closer to being out for the season"


"it's because his shot is still broken and they know it.

i guarantee nothing has changed with his broken shot in the last month and a half

he's a mental midget"

"The initial story was he hired a trainer to rework his shot. Nobody would intentially teach him to shoot fouls shots like Shaq, unless it was an undercover Celtics shooting coach. If so, brillant move by Ainge."
Title: Re: Guilty Pleasure: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on December 10, 2017, 11:01:47 AM
Poor kid.  Deserves better than that, I don't care who drafts him.
Title: Re: Guilty Pleasure: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 11:26:03 AM
Poor kid.  Deserves better than that, I don't care who drafts him.

Yes, but the Sixers deserve the worst.
Title: Re: Guilty Pleasure: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: csfansince60s on December 10, 2017, 11:26:28 AM
Poor kid.  Deserves better than that, I don't care who drafts him.

Kid worked his butt off to get where he was. He was cut from his HS team, right, and works his butt off on his way up to the consensus (Thank God, DA wasn't among the consensus) number #1 pick.

Good for him. He got paid...big-time...set for life even if he busts out completely. Hard to feel bad for him.

Didn't seem to play with any hurt or urgency at Washington (I blame part of that on their terrible coach who was a good recruiter, that's it).
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 10, 2017, 11:28:40 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: CelticsElite on December 10, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: csfansince60s on December 10, 2017, 11:52:22 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting


TP for the effort.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: Tr1boy on December 10, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
I wonder how "panicked" the 76ers fans will become when the Celts draft Ayton also  ;D
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 10, 2017, 11:59:09 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
The very first one I saw when I clicked the link was:

Christmas time seems like a good bet right now. Like others have said, zero need to rush Fultz back until he's 100% ready to let it fire from 3.

Didn't see you list that one or this one:

so there is a chance he plays in approximately three weeks? good good ill take it.

Like I said selective quoting to push a point that is meaningless.  These same fans your quoting would have been griping about Embiid and Simmons being out.  Didn't mean anything on their recovery and it means nothing for Fultz either. 
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 10, 2017, 12:08:06 PM
The76ers need to enroll their kids in a Scared Straight program. Toughen em up a bit.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: CelticsElite on December 10, 2017, 12:21:30 PM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
The very first one I saw when I clicked the link was:

Christmas time seems like a good bet right now. Like others have said, zero need to rush Fultz back until he's 100% ready to let it fire from 3.

Didn't see you list that one or this one:

so there is a chance he plays in approximately three weeks? good good ill take it.

Like I said selective quoting to push a point that is meaningless.  These same fans your quoting would have been griping about Embiid and Simmons being out.  Didn't mean anything on their recovery and it means nothing for Fultz either.
ok you're right I did skip a few but the vast majority as you saw were panic after the news broke. Its pretty funny to see their panic posts and thought I would share
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: trickybilly on December 10, 2017, 12:24:46 PM
I read most of that in my head like I was listening to Bill Burr for some reason.

LOL,tp.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: jambr380 on December 10, 2017, 12:55:01 PM
TP for going outside of CB to find interesting takes from fans of other teams. You also initially brought up Cleveland fans freaking out about the BKN pick, too, right? That's before Phantom created a thread and took all the credit!!  ;)

One of my favorite things from FLC isn't her gamethreads, but her "comments from the other side" piece following each Cs game on her Celticsgreen website. I really enjoy reading other fans' reactions - often seeing that they are ultimately not much different than we are  :laugh:
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: Sketch5 on December 10, 2017, 01:10:01 PM
I'm so Glad Stevens and DA went with Tatum instead of Fultz. I wasn't a huge fan, but had started to warm up to him, but never felt right. I was more in the Jackson camp. But when Dicky V mentioned Tatum and he thought Boston would draft him, I started to check his games out and was perfectly fine with them drafting him. I was a bit concerned about his athleticism translating to the NBA but the kid can flat out Ball. And is playing solid in a tough system, in a tough media and fan town.

I'm wondering how Fultz would have handled it if he came to Boston.

I did like the quote about HAywards foot almost falling off and him being ready before Fultz, because it could be true. LOL
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: pearljammer10 on December 10, 2017, 01:14:22 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 10, 2017, 01:58:47 PM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
People who complain make a disproportionate share of noise.  There are plenty of posts on that thread calling out the complainers.  The complainers appear to have a collective intelligence just above moron.  I especially like the following hot take from one of them on natural shooters.  Like to see him tell Ray Allen or Reggie Miller that.   

bro, i respect your takes 99% (especially about embiid) but if you post in fultz-topics i always remember you are calling fultz a natural shooter. does a natural shooter needs shooting-practice? shootaround before the game is all a "natural shooter" needs.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: saltlover on December 10, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)

No, I do not.  I think most everyone who wasn’t on board initially fell in love with Tatum pretty quickly once summer league stared.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Androslav on December 10, 2017, 02:41:52 PM
Bargz or Fultz, which one of Colangelo's 1st picks will be better?  ;D
EDIT: Bargz is leading so far.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01/gamelog/2007#pgl_cum_stats::none
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: Boris Badenov on December 10, 2017, 03:10:55 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)

No, I do not.  I think most everyone who wasn’t on board initially fell in love with Tatum pretty quickly once summer league stared.

I find your lack of all-or-nothing-ism disturbing.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 10, 2017, 04:30:42 PM
TP for going outside of CB to find interesting takes from fans of other teams. You also initially brought up Cleveland fans freaking out about the BKN pick, too, right? That's before Phantom created a thread and took all the credit!!  ;)

One of my favorite things from FLC isn't her gamethreads, but her "comments from the other side" piece following each Cs game on her Celticsgreen website. I really enjoy reading other fans' reactions - often seeing that they are ultimately not much different than we are  :laugh:

I was letting this go, but not anymore  ;D. See: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=94594.msg2425904;topicseen#msg2425904 (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=94594.msg2425904;topicseen#msg2425904)

Please give me credit  :police:. I'll send you my bank account number if necessary.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: RJ87 on December 10, 2017, 06:52:26 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Phantom255x on December 10, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8b0d8c36e61923774e3fb305080048bd/tenor.gif?itemid=4581347)
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 07:02:24 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: playdream on December 10, 2017, 07:30:16 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)
Not me, this is my post at the time

287
Celtics Talk / Re: For all the Josh Jackson supporters....
« on: June 19, 2017, 06:45:53 AM »
OK i have watched the videos and it's CLEARLY Tatum over JJ(which, i can also take it) for me

JJ you hope he can be a Butler guy, he shoot jumpers mostly with his wrist and that could be a problem in NBA(range/space), can guard 1-2s,the upside is there but more uncertainty

Tatum fits better in CBS's pace/space system for he is a good shooter and can also create/score, he really does has PP potential

And for that i can understand why Danny passed on Fulz
1.The bigger the better(impactful), guard is easy to get with our assets and don't need to be an all-rounder if your star wings/bigs can do the passing/creation, for example this draft(and others) has plenty of athletic or scoring guards outside of top5

2.Combine that with Fulz's red flag:Knee problem/Winning(hustling)attitude/college Record and bad workouts(shows clearly he is not a LBJ/KD/Duncan level prospect, means you can afford on passing)

I see the full logic for danny to pass on him, it's just a shame he can't get more out of it but anything is a plus(and 2018 pick in big mans draft is what we all want)

So i am happy now and waiting for the draft
and...wow danny really is good at his busness


In danny i trust ;)
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 10, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)
Not me, this is my post at the time

287
Celtics Talk / Re: For all the Josh Jackson supporters....
« on: June 19, 2017, 06:45:53 AM »
OK i have watched the videos and it's CLEARLY Tatum over JJ(which, i can also take it) for me

JJ you hope he can be a Butler guy, he shoot jumpers mostly with his wrist and that could be a problem in NBA(range/space), can guard 1-2s,the upside is there but more uncertainty

Tatum fits better in CBS's pace/space system for he is a good shooter and can also create/score, he really does has PP potential

And for that i can understand why Danny passed on Fulz
1.The bigger the better(impactful), guard is easy to get with our assets and don't need to be an all-rounder if your star wings/bigs can do the passing/creation, for example this draft(and others) has plenty of athletic or scoring guards outside of top5

2.Combine that with Fulz's red flag:Knee problem/Winning(hustling)attitude/college Record and bad workouts(shows clearly he is not a LBJ/KD/Duncan level prospect, means you can afford on passing)

I see the full logic for danny to pass on him, it's just a shame he can't get more out of it but anything is a plus(and 2018 pick in big mans draft is what we all want)

So i am happy now and waiting for the draft
and...wow danny really is good at his busness


In danny i trust ;)
Tp for the foresight. I was a Jackson fan. But then, sigh, I liked bender and Dunn as well.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Phantom255x on December 10, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)

Okay, but saying/classifying that he has a mental disorder because of that one possible mishap? REALLY???

You seriously don't think there's anything wrong with that...  ???

And to suggest he's even on the trade market right now because of it is kind of ridiculous too.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 08:52:36 PM
No... mental and intelligence are two separate things. I find his general attitude to be something of a player with a weak "mental game." I mean you do know that mental disorder doesn't mean that he's a psychopath right? He could have anxiety disorder. Do you think a person who cared about being an NBA star would exhibit this kind of behavior? Imagine if the Celtics did this to Jaylen Brown.

His lack of intelligence goes further than one mistake. Just YouTube interviews with him.

Not ridiculous that they've considered trading him. His shot if off (he's clearly not the person they thought they drafted) and Imagine how they're going to explain this entire fiasco. If he's traded they can simply throw him under the bus. Now they have to come up with a story that passes the smell test and makes both sides look competent. I don't personally see it.... and I sure as hell don't want a Fultz to be the one who tells the story. Plus they've also seen that Simmons is the point guard. Perhaps they could package him for a star or a high lotto pick next year. I mean look at the Sixers franchise... would anything surprise you at this point?
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: kraidstar on December 10, 2017, 09:00:58 PM
Remember when 95% of Celtics blog were calling for Danny's head for about a month after the trade?  ::)
Not me, this is my post at the time

287
Celtics Talk / Re: For all the Josh Jackson supporters....
« on: June 19, 2017, 06:45:53 AM »
OK i have watched the videos and it's CLEARLY Tatum over JJ(which, i can also take it) for me

JJ you hope he can be a Butler guy, he shoot jumpers mostly with his wrist and that could be a problem in NBA(range/space), can guard 1-2s,the upside is there but more uncertainty

Tatum fits better in CBS's pace/space system for he is a good shooter and can also create/score, he really does has PP potential

And for that i can understand why Danny passed on Fulz
1.The bigger the better(impactful), guard is easy to get with our assets and don't need to be an all-rounder if your star wings/bigs can do the passing/creation, for example this draft(and others) has plenty of athletic or scoring guards outside of top5

2.Combine that with Fulz's red flag:Knee problem/Winning(hustling)attitude/college Record and bad workouts(shows clearly he is not a LBJ/KD/Duncan level prospect, means you can afford on passing)

I see the full logic for danny to pass on him, it's just a shame he can't get more out of it but anything is a plus(and 2018 pick in big mans draft is what we all want)

So i am happy now and waiting for the draft
and...wow danny really is good at his busness


In danny i trust ;)
Tp for the foresight. I was a Jackson fan. But then, sigh, I liked bender and Dunn as well.

Kris Dunn has actually been excellent lately. Over his last 7 games he's averaging 17 pts, 7.6 ast, 5.3 reb, 2 stl on .500/.529 shooting. Turnovers are still too high, but he overall he's a lot better than he was last year.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: RJ87 on December 10, 2017, 10:12:09 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)

Okay, but saying/classifying that he has a mental disorder because of that one possible mishap? REALLY???

You seriously don't think there's anything wrong with that...  ???

And to suggest he's even on the trade market right now because of it is kind of ridiculous too.

Exactly. The initial post was beyond silly. 1.) How do we even know he was the one that made that post? It was on draft night, so it's highly probable some member of his team did it for him. 2.) The Sixers - and multiple teams - interview these players extensively beforehand. They interview the people around them, coaches, teachers, everyone. But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post. 3.) The Sixers aren't trading him. While they're not the best managed team in the league, I think it'd unprecedented for a team to trade a #1 overall pick before they even get through their rookie season. The only one I can recall is Wiggins and that trade delivered the team an in his prime All Star big to appease LeBron James. Philly went all in to get Fultz. They're not pulling the plug 6 months later.

Sheesh. Sometimes I hate the internet.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 10:37:18 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)

Okay, but saying/classifying that he has a mental disorder because of that one possible mishap? REALLY???

You seriously don't think there's anything wrong with that...  ???

And to suggest he's even on the trade market right now because of it is kind of ridiculous too.

Exactly. The initial post was beyond silly. 1.) How do we even know he was the one that made that post? It was on draft night, so it's highly probable some member of his team did it for him. 2.) The Sixers - and multiple teams - interview these players extensively beforehand. They interview the people around them, coaches, teachers, everyone. But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post. 3.) The Sixers aren't trading him. While they're not the best managed team in the league, I think it'd unprecedented for a team to trade a #1 overall pick before they even get through their rookie season. The only one I can recall is Wiggins and that trade delivered the team an in his prime All Star big to appease LeBron James. Philly went all in to get Fultz. They're not pulling the plug 6 months later.

Sheesh. Sometimes I hate the internet.

"But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post."

I've already explained that I'm not saying he has a mental problem because he made a mistake on instagram... I'm not sure how two different people made the same reading comprehension error... usually when the word also is used in a subsequent sentence, a new thought has been introduced to support the future conclusion. The word you're looking for is "because" I.e. "He has a mental problem because he's unintelligent."

Now if you want to say that someone on his team made the post, that's your opinion. You may be right, but I find it highly unlikely that a paid publicist would make an idiotic error like that and I doubt he's giving his friend access to go wild on his instagram page which itself is idiotic.

Next, you're assuming that the Sixers extensively evaluated him when we all know that's the furthest from the truth. No one met with him because the Celtics were supposed to draft him.  He flew to Philly at night for a light workout and they made the trade. It's very easy to miss mental health disorders in the matter of a couple hours. Remember Royce White?

Ive already said my piece on the possibility of a trade a few posts back which I think that you may have  missed. They aren't going to trade him until they do. Just like they wouldn't trade Noel, Okafor or MCW. There are already rumors and rumblings. Are you that sure that they will not trade him that you're willing to call someone that you don't know obnoxious just for their opinion? My stance on the Sixers: no amount of buffoonery would surprise me. I just don't see how they explain this mess and make both sides look reasonably competent. If they get a good haul for him they may take it. Are they going to turn down McCollum (one of the rumors) for example?
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: RJ87 on December 10, 2017, 11:14:04 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)

Okay, but saying/classifying that he has a mental disorder because of that one possible mishap? REALLY???

You seriously don't think there's anything wrong with that...  ???

And to suggest he's even on the trade market right now because of it is kind of ridiculous too.

Exactly. The initial post was beyond silly. 1.) How do we even know he was the one that made that post? It was on draft night, so it's highly probable some member of his team did it for him. 2.) The Sixers - and multiple teams - interview these players extensively beforehand. They interview the people around them, coaches, teachers, everyone. But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post. 3.) The Sixers aren't trading him. While they're not the best managed team in the league, I think it'd unprecedented for a team to trade a #1 overall pick before they even get through their rookie season. The only one I can recall is Wiggins and that trade delivered the team an in his prime All Star big to appease LeBron James. Philly went all in to get Fultz. They're not pulling the plug 6 months later.

Sheesh. Sometimes I hate the internet.

"But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post."

I've already explained that I'm not saying he has a mental problem because he made a mistake on instagram... I'm not sure how two different people made the same reading comprehension error... usually when the word also is used in a subsequent sentence, a new thought has been introduced to support the future conclusion. The word you're looking for is "because" I.e. "He has a mental problem because he's unintelligent."

Now if you want to say that someone on his team made the post, that's your opinion. You may be right, but I find it highly unlikely that a paid publicist would make an idiotic error like that and I doubt he's giving his friend access to go wild on his instagram page which itself is idiotic.

Next, you're assuming that the Sixers extensively evaluated him when we all know that's the furthest from the truth. No one met with him because the Celtics were supposed to draft him.  He flew to Philly at night for a light workout and they made the trade. It's very easy to miss mental health disorders in the matter of a couple hours. Remember Royce White?

Ive already said my piece on the possibility of a trade a few posts back which I think that you may have  missed. They aren't going to trade him until they do. Just like they wouldn't trade Noel, Okafor or MCW. There are already rumors and rumblings. Are you that sure that they will not trade him that you're willing to call someone that you don't know obnoxious just for their opinion? My stance on the Sixers: no amount of buffoonery would surprise me. I just don't see how they explain this mess and make both sides look reasonably competent. If they get a good haul for him they may take it. Are they going to turn down McCollum (one of the rumors) for example?

Lol. My reading comprehension isn't an issue. If it is, then Northeastern owes me a refund for this bogus BA in English with a concentration in creative writing. See how annoying it is when someone shows off on an internet forum?

Btw, Royce White's were well documented before he was drafted. Houston took a gamble and it didn't work out. If you're going to use an example, at least Google it first.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Erik on December 10, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
It's obvious to me that Fultz has a mental disorder. He's also as dumb as a brick if you've seen interviews with him and his social media posts. It could be that the Sixers do not want him to communicate with the media for fear of divulging information regarding the Sixers FO. That means delaying him from playing while looking for a potential trade. This could be another bad situation in Philly. I mean how does he answer the questions (with his low IQ) "why did you play injured" "who did you tell about your injury" "how did the Sixers not know you were hurt" "why did you change your shot without approval of your team"

Seriously?

This is why people think Celtics fans are obnoxious.

I would assume that you'd have more to contribute when calling someone obnoxious. I personally do not have answers to those four questions and we've all spent 2 months hypothesizing answers. Do you really think that the Sixers want the guy who posted the tissot advertisement template without filling in the templated parts to be the one who answers them?

(https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/img_6759.jpg)

Okay, but saying/classifying that he has a mental disorder because of that one possible mishap? REALLY???

You seriously don't think there's anything wrong with that...  ???

And to suggest he's even on the trade market right now because of it is kind of ridiculous too.

Exactly. The initial post was beyond silly. 1.) How do we even know he was the one that made that post? It was on draft night, so it's highly probable some member of his team did it for him. 2.) The Sixers - and multiple teams - interview these players extensively beforehand. They interview the people around them, coaches, teachers, everyone. But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post. 3.) The Sixers aren't trading him. While they're not the best managed team in the league, I think it'd unprecedented for a team to trade a #1 overall pick before they even get through their rookie season. The only one I can recall is Wiggins and that trade delivered the team an in his prime All Star big to appease LeBron James. Philly went all in to get Fultz. They're not pulling the plug 6 months later.

Sheesh. Sometimes I hate the internet.

"But somehow, they missed some type of mental disorder that some CB poster was able to spot by analyzing a botched Instagram post."

I've already explained that I'm not saying he has a mental problem because he made a mistake on instagram... I'm not sure how two different people made the same reading comprehension error... usually when the word also is used in a subsequent sentence, a new thought has been introduced to support the future conclusion. The word you're looking for is "because" I.e. "He has a mental problem because he's unintelligent."

Now if you want to say that someone on his team made the post, that's your opinion. You may be right, but I find it highly unlikely that a paid publicist would make an idiotic error like that and I doubt he's giving his friend access to go wild on his instagram page which itself is idiotic.

Next, you're assuming that the Sixers extensively evaluated him when we all know that's the furthest from the truth. No one met with him because the Celtics were supposed to draft him.  He flew to Philly at night for a light workout and they made the trade. It's very easy to miss mental health disorders in the matter of a couple hours. Remember Royce White?

Ive already said my piece on the possibility of a trade a few posts back which I think that you may have  missed. They aren't going to trade him until they do. Just like they wouldn't trade Noel, Okafor or MCW. There are already rumors and rumblings. Are you that sure that they will not trade him that you're willing to call someone that you don't know obnoxious just for their opinion? My stance on the Sixers: no amount of buffoonery would surprise me. I just don't see how they explain this mess and make both sides look reasonably competent. If they get a good haul for him they may take it. Are they going to turn down McCollum (one of the rumors) for example?

Lol. My reading comprehension isn't an issue. If it is, then Northeastern owes me a refund for this bogus BA in English with a concentration in creative writing. See how annoying it is when someone shows off on an internet forum?

Btw, Royce White's were well documented before he was drafted. Houston took a gamble and it didn't work out. If you're going to use an example, at least Google it first.

Not annoying at all... I'm actually glad that you had just made a mistake and it wasn't a larger problem. Again, I wasn't trying to claim that he has a mental disorder because he goofed on instagram.

You're right about Royce White.. I had misremembered that it was known because I somehow recalled the Rockets surprised about the flying situation. Thanks for correcting that. It's still really easy to miss a mental health problem if the person isn't forthcoming. I'm certainly not the first person to speculate that he has the yips or some anxiety disorder. I know that he was a big shot in college, but maybe the spotlight of national tv NBA games may be too much for him. He's also always going to have to measure up to Tatum plus the pick (which as of now seems like a tall mountain to climb).
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: estendius on December 11, 2017, 12:20:16 AM
I'm still not sure about Fultz's status. If he's healthy, why not let him practice and play. Why they need re-evaluated in the next 3 weeks ?
He plays bad, it's OK. The only way that he can improve is play in real NBA match.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 11, 2017, 01:29:19 AM
I guess CsBlog is redefining mental disorders now.  And heck, if we can do that, maybe we can save Fultz as well.
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: celticsclay on December 11, 2017, 01:32:30 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
The very first one I saw when I clicked the link was:

Christmas time seems like a good bet right now. Like others have said, zero need to rush Fultz back until he's 100% ready to let it fire from 3.

Didn't see you list that one or this one:

so there is a chance he plays in approximately three weeks? good good ill take it.

Like I said selective quoting to push a point that is meaningless.  These same fans your quoting would have been griping about Embiid and Simmons being out.  Didn't mean anything on their recovery and it means nothing for Fultz either.
ok you're right I did skip a few but the vast majority as you saw were panic after the news broke. Its pretty funny to see their panic posts and thought I would share

Tazz your efforts to defend every possible thing slightly tied to philly is honestly really tiresome. 76er fans are certainly slightly panicking about Fultz. We would be doing the same thing if he was on our team. Just knock it off
Title: Re: 76ers fans panicking over Fultz
Post by: playdream on December 11, 2017, 03:30:51 AM
Selectively quoting some fans to push a point is meaningless.  The Libertballers site isn't panicking.  Looks like the Sixers are putting the downtime to good use.  Coach Brown is holding the same classrooms sessions with Fultz like he did Simmons and they are also working on his diet and overall fitness. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21722893/philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-holds-jon-gruden-film-sessions-markelle-fultz
I didn't selectively quote fans. I quoted every post from this page after the "fultz is healthy now" news broke :  https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1644743&start=220#start_here

If I could I would quote all 4 pages of the 76ers fans but got tired of copying and pasting
The very first one I saw when I clicked the link was:

Christmas time seems like a good bet right now. Like others have said, zero need to rush Fultz back until he's 100% ready to let it fire from 3.

Didn't see you list that one or this one:

so there is a chance he plays in approximately three weeks? good good ill take it.

Like I said selective quoting to push a point that is meaningless.  These same fans your quoting would have been griping about Embiid and Simmons being out.  Didn't mean anything on their recovery and it means nothing for Fultz either.
ok you're right I did skip a few but the vast majority as you saw were panic after the news broke. Its pretty funny to see their panic posts and thought I would share

Tazz your efforts to defend every possible thing slightly tied to philly is honestly really tiresome. 76er fans are certainly slightly panicking about Fultz. We would be doing the same thing if he was on our team. Just knock it off
To be fair we won't draft him at first place though..

Appreciate OP for sharing opinions of the otherside, they are fun to read
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Androslav on December 11, 2017, 04:35:15 AM
I'm still not sure about Fultz's status. If he's healthy, why not let him practice and play. Why they need re-evaluated in the next 3 weeks ?
He plays bad, it's OK. The only way that he can improve is play in real NBA match.
I guess they sit rooks by default.
Title: Re: Fultz's Terrible Start & Injury Updates
Post by: Moranis on December 11, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
I'm still not sure about Fultz's status. If he's healthy, why not let him practice and play. Why they need re-evaluated in the next 3 weeks ?
He plays bad, it's OK. The only way that he can improve is play in real NBA match.
they are ramping up his practice over the next 3 weeks and then evaluating. They aren't just sitting him 3 more weeks and then think about it more.