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Around the NBA / Re: Shams: Jimmy Butler Has MCL Injury, Could Be Out A While
« Last post by P2 on Yesterday at 01:22:27 PM »
Quote from: keevsnick on Yesterday at 01:08:17 PM
If Jimmy is going to be out for a series vs Boston I think I'd rather just play the Bulls. If the C's play the Heat and then win all we'd hear about from Miami fans is how the Heat would have rolled us IF Jimmy was healthy. It will be the "Middleton wasn't healthy" thing all over again.

Listen, there will be people with such a narrative and they won't ever go away, but if the C's win the chip, the majority of people and media will literally not even once use Jimmy's injury as an excuse, and even more so if they'll lose to the Bulls. Actually, even if Jimmy was available, Chicago would still have a decent chance of winning. And don't forget that we've been in this situation many times (KG in 09, Perk in 10, Jaylen in 21, et al.) and even none of us care about that anymore.
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Around the NBA / Re: Shams: Jimmy Butler Has MCL Injury, Could Be Out A While
« Last post by Celtics2021 on Yesterday at 01:20:14 PM »
Quote from: Phantom255x on Yesterday at 12:53:07 PM
Quote from: Celtics2021 on Yesterday at 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: johnnygreen on Yesterday at 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Moranis on April 17, 2024, 11:13:57 PM
All the more reason to not have the play-in when there are terrible teams in it.

Butler's injury had nothing to do with the play-in. He had a wide open lay-up but decided to wait for the defender to go up and Butler's jump into contact. It was a typical Butler dirty play to get an and-one. Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes, and his was an injury.
It was an extra game that was only being played because of the play-in

Play better in the regular season & you don't have to deal with the play-in game.
They were 7 games clear of the Bulls and won 46 games.  The  Bulls belong no where near the playoffs

So what?  This structure has been in place a few years now.  Teams know it.  You don't play well enough in the regular season and you risk being subjected to the whims of a play-in.   There are plenty of less fair things in life.

Don't like it, play better.

Yep.  If the Heat want to pretend the regular season doesn’t matter, and get themselves into a win-or-go-home situation, that’s on them.

Yeah I was gonna say, people praise the Heat and Butler for turning it up during the playoffs and say that they can "afford" to stroll through the regular season because they got "Himmy" Butler and "Heat Culture" to turn it up during the postseason. And now someone gets hurt in that extra game they have to play and suddenly it's the fault of the play-in format which has been there already for 3+ years now? Lol sure.

They can certainly amend the format a bit and I don't disagree that a team that's well below .500 shouldn't make it. But Miami really only have themselves to blame for being in the format to begin with.

I'm curious to hear what the thoughts are though about not having teams with bad records in the play-in. Like how would that work? It'd be odd if one conference has to play a play-in tournament but another conference can just sit idle because everyone is locked into seeding and the 9-10 seeds were garbage. That'd cause uproar. But I don't think they should get rid of the whole format either.

I think it would be unfair to the one seed in the conference that didn’t have a play-in compared to the 1-seed of the conference that did, and it’s more important to be fair to the teams that win compared to the ones that lose.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 01:14:23 PM »
Quote from: footey on Yesterday at 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Vermont Green on April 16, 2024, 08:52:38 PM
The top 8 are going to play the vast majority of the minutes. Pritchard and Hauser will need to continue to play well. I think they will but you can’t know.

I can’t see the rest getting anything more than cameos.

Not even Luke?

I think it was the last OKC game where they only played the core 8 guys until the last 3-4 minutes of garbage time.  I took that as a harbinger of how they intend to play in the playoffs.

I don't know of course, but I see the core 8 playing most of the minutes, the meaningful minutes anyway.  All the others getting at best spot minutes.  Kornet only played in 8 of 20 games last playoffs, averaging 4.0 min/gm, after playing in 69 games in the regular season and averaging nearly 12 min/gm.

I had hopes that Tillman could provide real playoff minutes but he wasn't so great in the regular season.  Teams just sagged off him and it disrupted our offensive flow a lot.  He had played 30+ min/gm in the playoffs for MEM last season.  Seemed like based on that he would be up for at least some regular bench minutes.  We'll see.
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Neurotic Guy on Yesterday at 01:10:45 PM »
Heading into the 2008 playoffs KG, PP, and Ray - even though in their 30's -- had not won a championship.  No one worried about KGs intensity or Ray Allen's clutch factor, but I think I recall quite a few concerns when they struggled with Atlanta in the first round.  Without HCA, they very well might have lost that series.  And then... the Cavs took them to seven.  This Game Seven could have gone the other way - C's won by 5 (they blew out Atlanta in round 1, game 7).

It wasn't till the Pistons series in the ECF that the C's won an away playoff game.

The above is just a reminder that a struggle in the early rounds may happen, and may not mean this year's C's are going down.   I'd almost rather the C's had a tough series -- at least a couple of tough games -- to get in the right mode for winning playoff games.  It took the 2008 team a couple of series to become who they became. 
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Around the NBA / Re: Shams: Jimmy Butler Has MCL Injury, Could Be Out A While
« Last post by keevsnick on Yesterday at 01:08:17 PM »
If Jimmy is going to be out for a series vs Boston I think I'd rather just play the Bulls. If the C's play the Heat and then win all we'd hear about from Miami fans is how the Heat would have rolled us IF Jimmy was healthy. It will be the "Middleton wasn't healthy" thing all over again.

On a side note: I get that Butler and the Heat like to "turn things up" for the playoffs. But maybe, just maybe, they could try taking the regular season more seriously and they won't be in a situation where their star gets injured in a play-in game.
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 01:00:04 PM »
Quote from: Phantom255x on Yesterday at 12:49:44 PM
Idk if it's wise to say this and give NYK even more motivation...

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1780983951307235781?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Quote
Paul Reed says he wanted to play the Knicks instead of the Celtics

“We wanted the Knicks matchup, that's the easier team.” 👀

(Via
@RunItBackFDTV)

If PHI doesn't play better than they did vs. MIA, they aren't going anywhere in any case.  I don't know what happened to PHI.  They were playing very well.  Won their last 8 games.  I expected Embiid to wear down and fade at some point in the playoffs, but not in the play-in round.  NYK is the one that may end up happy with this match up.
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Around the NBA / Re: Shams: Jimmy Butler Has MCL Injury, Could Be Out A While
« Last post by Phantom255x on Yesterday at 12:53:07 PM »
Quote from: Celtics2021 on Yesterday at 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: johnnygreen on Yesterday at 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Moranis on April 17, 2024, 11:13:57 PM
All the more reason to not have the play-in when there are terrible teams in it.

Butler's injury had nothing to do with the play-in. He had a wide open lay-up but decided to wait for the defender to go up and Butler's jump into contact. It was a typical Butler dirty play to get an and-one. Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes, and his was an injury.
It was an extra game that was only being played because of the play-in

Play better in the regular season & you don't have to deal with the play-in game.
They were 7 games clear of the Bulls and won 46 games.  The  Bulls belong no where near the playoffs

So what?  This structure has been in place a few years now.  Teams know it.  You don't play well enough in the regular season and you risk being subjected to the whims of a play-in.   There are plenty of less fair things in life.

Don't like it, play better.

Yep.  If the Heat want to pretend the regular season doesn’t matter, and get themselves into a win-or-go-home situation, that’s on them.

Yeah I was gonna say, people praise the Heat and Butler for turning it up during the playoffs and say that they can "afford" to stroll through the regular season because they got "Himmy" Butler and "Heat Culture" to turn it up during the postseason. And now someone gets hurt in that extra game they have to play and suddenly it's the fault of the play-in format which has been there already for 3+ years now? Lol sure.

They can certainly amend the format a bit and I don't disagree that a team that's well below .500 shouldn't make it. But Miami really only have themselves to blame for being in the format to begin with.

I'm curious to hear what the thoughts are though about not having teams with bad records in the play-in. Like how would that work? It'd be odd if one conference has to play a play-in tournament but another conference can just sit idle because everyone is locked into seeding and the 9-10 seeds were garbage. That'd cause uproar. But I don't think they should get rid of the whole format either.
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Phantom255x on Yesterday at 12:49:44 PM »
Idk if it's wise to say this and give NYK even more motivation...

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1780983951307235781?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Quote
Paul Reed says he wanted to play the Knicks instead of the Celtics

“We wanted the Knicks matchup, that's the easier team.” 👀

(Via
@RunItBackFDTV)
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Around the NBA / Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Last post by Vermont Green on Yesterday at 12:44:08 PM »
The spread is narrowing but MIA is still favored by 1.5 pts.  Home court is probably what is making the difference.

CHI is a 39 win team.  MIA is not much if any better without Butler.  Not a lot of sizzle for a playoff play-in game.  With Butler, MIA was cruising to a win vs. PHI.  Probably beat CHI easily with Butler.  Now who knows.

As to the Celtics, I don't care.  We should be able to beat either team.  It shouldn't matter.
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Around the NBA / Re: Shams: Jimmy Butler Has MCL Injury, Could Be Out A While
« Last post by Celtics2021 on Yesterday at 12:35:51 PM »
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: Donoghus on Yesterday at 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: johnnygreen on Yesterday at 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Moranis on April 17, 2024, 11:13:57 PM
All the more reason to not have the play-in when there are terrible teams in it.

Butler's injury had nothing to do with the play-in. He had a wide open lay-up but decided to wait for the defender to go up and Butler's jump into contact. It was a typical Butler dirty play to get an and-one. Play stupid games, you get stupid prizes, and his was an injury.
It was an extra game that was only being played because of the play-in

Play better in the regular season & you don't have to deal with the play-in game.
They were 7 games clear of the Bulls and won 46 games.  The  Bulls belong no where near the playoffs

So what?  This structure has been in place a few years now.  Teams know it.  You don't play well enough in the regular season and you risk being subjected to the whims of a play-in.   There are plenty of less fair things in life.

Don't like it, play better.

Yep.  If the Heat want to pretend the regular season doesn’t matter, and get themselves into a win-or-go-home situation, that’s on them.
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