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Other Discussions => Games / Gambling / Fantasy Sports => Off Topic => CelticsStrong Draft => Topic started by: nickagneta on September 08, 2013, 12:32:51 PM
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https://docs.google.com/a/mercymavericks.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj7gerp0sXeodE5YTUVnci1VS0J0dTR5RjRqOEp6VVE#gid=0
The above link is the spreadsheet for every vote and the results
Acess is
Username: nagneta
Passwrod: 031665
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Indiana Pacers 266 pts Wins Central
New York Knicks 255 pts Wins Atlantic Wins tiebreaker
Cleveland Cavaliers 255 pts
Atlanta Hawks 251 pts Wins Southeast
Miami Heat 251 pts
Orlando Magic 184 pts
Boston Celtics 168 pts
Milwaukee Bucks 165 pts
Chicago Bulls 152 pts
Washington Wizards 127 pts
Brooklyn Nets 94 pts
Philadelphia 76ers 59 pts
Detroit Pictons 50 pts
EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS(First team listed has HCA)
Indiana Pacers vs Milwaukee Bucks
New York Knicks vs Boston Celtics
Cleveland Cavaliers vs Orlando Magic
Atlanta Hawks vs Miami Heat
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Minnesota Timberwolves 277 pts Wins Northwest Wins tiebreaker
Oklahoma City Thunder 277 pts
Dallas Mavericks 217 pts Wins Southwest
Los Angeles Lakers 210 pts Wins Pacific
Golden State Warriors 202 pts Wins tiebreaker
Houston Rockets 202 pts
San Antonio Spurs 178 pts Wins Tiebreaker
Portland Trailblazers 178 pts
Memphis Grizzlies 152 pts
Phoenix Suns 128 pts
Los Angeles Clippers 109 pts
Denver Nuggets 104 pts
WESTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS(First team listed has HCA)
Minnesota Timberwolves vs Portland Trailblazers
Oklahoma City Thunder vs San Antonio Spurs
Dallas Mavericks vs Houston Rockets
Los Angeles Lakers vs Golden State Warriors
FIRST ROUND PLAYOFF RESULTS
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Pacers 14 Pacers advance
Bucks 4
Knicks 14 Knicks advance
Celtics 4
Cavaliers 13 Cavaliers advance
Magic 5
Hawks 11 Hawks advance
Heat 7
EASTERN CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS
Indiana Pacers vs Atlanta Hawks
New York Knicks vs Cleveland Cavaliers
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Timberwolves 14 Timberwolves advance
Trailblazers 4
Thunder 17 Thunder advance
Spurs 1
Mavericks 9 Mavericks win tiebreaker due to HCA and advance
Rockets 9
Lakers 5
Warriors 12 Warriors advance
WESTERN CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS
Minnesota Timberwolves vs Golden State Warriors
Oklahoma City Thunder vs Dallas Mavericks
CONFERENCE SEMI-FINAL PLAYOFF RESULTS
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Pacers 9
Hawks 10 Hawks advancee
Knicks 7
Cavaliers 12 Cavaliers advance
EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS
Cleveland Cavaliers vs Atlanta Hawks
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Timberwolves 10 Timberwolves advance
Warriors 9
Thunder 14 Thunder advance
Mavericks 5
WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS
Minnesota Timberwolves vs Oklahoma City Thunder
CONFERENCE FINALS PLAYOFF RESULTS
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Cavaliers 13 Cavaliers Advance
Hawks 6
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Timberwolves 13 Timberwolves Advance
Thunder 6
2013 CB DRAFT FINALS
Minnesota Timberwolves vs Cleveland Cavaliers
2013 CB DRAFT FINALS RESULTS
Timberwolves 8 Timberwolves win tie breaker due to HCA. Timberwolves win 2013 CB DRAFT Championship
Cavaliers 8
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2013 CB DRAFT MVP
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2013 CB DRAFT TEAM OF THE FUTURE
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Please triple check my calculations I know I did. Also I will start opening up playoff threads after the Patriots game.
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL PLAYOFFS TEAMS AND THANKS TO ALL GMS FOR A FABULOUS REGULAR SEASON
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good job nick, tp
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Yea!!!!
TP Nick!
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out of curiosity, when do playoffs start (and voting)?
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Good work as always, nick. TP.
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Nick you've gotta change permissions on the gdoc spreadsheet
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Try the spreadsheet page now
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out of curiosity, when do playoffs start (and voting)?
Tomorrow
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out of curiosity, when do playoffs start (and voting)?
Tomorrow
i assume the playoffs start tomorrow, but what about the voting? i dont mean to inundate u, as ur busy, but i just wanted to make sure i know so i can vote.
thanks in advance
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Good work as always, nick. TP.
Good work yourself Cleveland - let's get ready for an Old Man Basketbrawl!
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out of curiosity, when do playoffs start (and voting)?
Tomorrow
i assume the playoffs start tomorrow, but what about the voting? i dont mean to inundate u, as ur busy, but i just wanted to make sure i know so i can vote.
thanks in advance
First round voting tomorrow
Details to follow when the playoff threads open up
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out of curiosity, when do playoffs start (and voting)?
Tomorrow
i assume the playoffs start tomorrow, but what about the voting? i dont mean to inundate u, as ur busy, but i just wanted to make sure i know so i can vote.
thanks in advance
First round voting tomorrow
Details to follow when the playoff threads open up
ok great, thx
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Gotta say, I really like my 1st round matchup. I'm sure I'll be facing quite the uphill battle in the minds of most, but Indiana is exactly the type of team I built my roster to beat.
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Are people able to get into the spreadsheet for looking at the voting....let me know
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Nope, still being prompted for logon credentials
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Are people able to get into the spreadsheet for looking at the voting....let me know
I'm not able to. It says I need to request permission.
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Are people able to get into the spreadsheet for looking at the voting....let me know
nope...it asks for a username and password
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This is probably the first time a team with 3 All Stars, 1 All Defensive 1st team, 1 All NBA 3rd team, 1 Sixth Man of the Year. Luckily I have school if not you would be hearing from me. :P ;D
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Use mine
nagneta
mercy316
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Hmmm...says invalid username/password
oh well
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This is probably the first time a team with 3 All Stars, 1 All Defensive 1st team, 1 All NBA 3rd team, 1 Sixth Man of the Year.
this is the first time, what?
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Hmmm...says invalid username/password
oh well
co-sign
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try
nagneta
031665
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try
nagneta
031665
in there like swimwear
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Good work as always, nick. TP.
Good work yourself Cleveland - let's get ready for an Old Man Basketbrawl!
This is going to be a very interesting matchup.
This will be a very interesting matchp
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Yup....working now
TP again to Nick for the tireless effort
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
Yep, it's a shame neither Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard will be in the playoffs due to team ineligibility
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try
nagneta
031665
Still not working for me for some reason.
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try
nagneta
031665
Still not working for me for some reason.
worked for me
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
Yep, it's a shame neither Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard will be in the playoffs due to team ineligibility
Nevermind, I interpreted the numbers wrong. Everything seems in order (I think).
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what is the email?
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what is the email?
not an email
just username and password
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Wow, Bucks ranked as high as #2 and as low as #12. I guess there really are some wildly divergent opinions on them.
Mavs too. Looks like they were as high as #1 and as low as #10
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Wow, Bucks ranked as high as #2 and as low as #12. I guess there really are some wildly divergent opinions on them.
Bunch of teams like that:
Phoenix 2nd and 12th
New York 1st and 11th
Washington 3rd and 13th
Dallas 1st and 10th
Warriors 1st and 11th
Portland 1st and 10th
Lakers 1st and 10th
San Antonio 2nd and 11th
6 different teams out of 12 teams with 1st place votes in the West
5 different teams out of 13 teams with 1st place votes in the East
Parity
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what is the email?
not an email
just username and password
For me it's asking for email instead of username.
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Wow, Bucks ranked as high as #2 and as low as #12. I guess there really are some wildly divergent opinions on them.
Bunch of teams like that:
Phoenix 2nd and 12th
New York 1st and 11th
Washington 3rd and 13th
Dallas 1st and 10th
Warriors 1st and 11th
Portland 1st and 10th
Lakers 1st and 10th
San Antonio 2nd and 11th
Jaw hits floor....
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
Yep, it's a shame neither Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard will be in the playoffs due to team ineligibility
Um, what? I submitted votes to nick on Friday.
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
Yep, it's a shame neither Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard will be in the playoffs due to team ineligibility
Um, what? I submitted votes to nick on Friday.
He's wrong...you are in because you submitted a presser.
Teams not submitting pressers would have been disqualified but none that did not submit pressers made the playoffs
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smh at the people who didn't vote that were supposed to
Yep, it's a shame neither Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard will be in the playoffs due to team ineligibility
Um, what? I submitted votes to nick on Friday.
Wow, brain cramp. Totally forgot you took over for RondoShow...
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Pretty amazing to see how little separated the top seeds in the East.
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Nevermind, I can't read well....there were actually a few voter who got it right.
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what is the email?
not an email
just username and password
For me it's asking for email instead of username.
Same goes for me
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I thought it funny that it worked out that of the 8 playoff games, only two are with teams from different divisions. It will be like having the pressers all over again.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Just curious, but why would you be surprised a team that you voted in made it?
Seems a bit counter-intuitive, no?
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What was the tie-breaker between OKC and Minny?
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What was the tie-breaker between OKC and Minny?
Glad you brought that up. I screwed that one up. TP for catching it.
The tiebreaker is the highest and lowest vote from each team is thrown out and the scores recalculated.
OKC throws out a 13 pt 1st place vote and a 8 point 6th place vote for a new total of 256 pts.
Minny throws out a 13 pt 1st place vote and a 7 point 7th place vote for a new total of 257 pts
So Minnesota won the tiebreaker. I had my numbers inverted. Sorry. I will fix that on the OP
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If anyone else sees any calculations wrong bring them to my attention and I will correct.
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Oh - well glad I asked then. I was just curious what the system was. So who do I match up with now?
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How does a 1st place vote in the west equal 13 pts when there are only 12 teams?
Does this have to do with keeping the top 8 in each conference equal in terms of pt value per position? Meaning the last place team in the west is worth 2 pts, while in the east it's only worth 1 pt.
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It seems that 1 v 8 matchup in the west just got a lot more interesting. Minny vs Portland could be quite compelling.
Bron vs Melo....that should be fun.
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How does a 1st place vote in the west equal 13 pts when there are only 12 teams?
Does this have to do with keeping the top 8 in each conference equal in terms of pt value per position? Meaning the last place team in the west is worth 2 pts, while in the east it's only worth 1 pt.
Yes
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All playoff threads are open and teams can start posting strategies and having their debates.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
At least we get to relive the Hayward vs. Martin debate for another round.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
At least we get to relive the Hayward vs. Martin debate for another round.
I know, right? Well I'll tell you one thing, I couldn't be playing against a better, more respected GM than Roy Hobbs. I await the challenge.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
No.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
No.
Yeah I have to disagree with that statement. I think this team is placed where it deserves to be - with injuries not entering the conversation.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
No.
My god your florish and ability to turn a phrase boggles my mind. You're like a young Daniel Webster, sure to become an orator of national renown!
This must be what kids are talking about when they reference 'being served'. And served, indeed am, sir, but served a mental meal of thoughtful and intelligent debate that will nourish my mind and soul for years to come.
'No,' he said, but it was so much more. So much.
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
No.
My god your florish and ability to turn a phrase boggles my mind. You're like a young Daniel Webster, sure to become an orator of national renown!
This must be what kids are talking about when they reference 'being served'. And served, indeed am, sir, but served a mental meal of thoughtful and intelligent debate that will nourish my mind and soul for years to come.
'No,' he said, but it was so much more. So much.
Yes.
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All playoff threads are open and teams can start posting strategies and having their debates.
Go ahead, y'all.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67493.msg1548069#msg1548069
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I'm not going to lie I'm a bit shocked that Boston made it, it seems that this year people didn't really worry about injuries.
Im shocked that Boston didn't place higher. They're a great team.
A good team with a good amount of injury concerns.
Well, obviously. We were a 7th seed. If we were healthy we'd be a 1 seed.
No.
My god your florish and ability to turn a phrase boggles my mind. You're like a young Daniel Webster, sure to become an orator of national renown!
This must be what kids are talking about when they reference 'being served'. And served, indeed am, sir, but served a mental meal of thoughtful and intelligent debate that will nourish my mind and soul for years to come.
'No,' he said, but it was so much more. So much.
Yes.
perfect reply....well played lol
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
Stars win in this league Yoki and you had none. You probably have the greatest collection of #3 guys ever, but this league is based on having #1's and #2's and putting complimentary pieces around them.
Trading "down" in this game, whether it be in talent or in draft position to draft the best talent, seldom pays off. You have done it every time you have played this game.
You did a fabulous job holding onto your star talent in the DKC and not being tempted with the "here's two guys with 2.5 star talent let me have your 5 star talent" and having the patience to see things through and wait. The same philosophy here might have had you in the playoffs.
I really hope you take this as the constructive criticism and good advice it is meant as. It meant in the best of ways because I really think you have a good eye for talent and good debating ability. Just need some patience and more experience.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
I was very surprised to see you in last, as well. Apparently, folks aren't believers in Monroe and Lillard, which surprises me a bit.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
Stars win in this league Yoki and you had none. You probably have the greatest collection of #3 guys ever, but this league is based on having 31's and #2's and putting complimentary pieces around them.
Trading "down" in this game, whether it be in talent or in draft position to draft the best talent, seldom pays off. You have done it every time you have played this game.
You did a fabulous job holding onto your star talent in the DKC and not being tempted with the "here's two guys with 2.5 star talent let me have your 5 star talent" and having the patience to see things through and wait. The same philosophy here might have had you in the playoffs.
I really hope you take this as the constructive criticism and good advice it is meant as. It meant in the best of ways because I really think you have a good eye for talent and good debating ability. Just need some patience and more experience.
Dont worry Nick, I am taking it as such. But I would be lying if I dont say that it didn't suck the fun right out of me.
Again, missing the Playoffs is fine, I just dont get being last place. I think we are too good for that and find it unacceptable.
Oh well...
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
Stars win in this league Yoki and you had none. You probably have the greatest collection of #3 guys ever, but this league is based on having 31's and #2's and putting complimentary pieces around them.
Trading "down" in this game, whether it be in talent or in draft position to draft the best talent, seldom pays off. You have done it every time you have played this game.
You did a fabulous job holding onto your star talent in the DKC and not being tempted with the "here's two guys with 2.5 star talent let me have your 5 star talent" and having the patience to see things through and wait. The same philosophy here might have had you in the playoffs.
I really hope you take this as the constructive criticism and good advice it is meant as. It meant in the best of ways because I really think you have a good eye for talent and good debating ability. Just need some patience and more experience.
Dont worry Nick, I am taking it as such. But I would be lying if I dont say that it didn't suck the fun right out of me.
Again, missing the Playoffs is fine, I just dont get being last place. I think we are too good for that and find it unacceptable.
Oh well...
I don't see any scenario in which denver would miss the playoffs in the west. I certainly can't understand what other voters were thinking for you to wind up in last. I really don't get it.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
I was very surprised to see you in last, as well. Apparently, folks aren't believers in Monroe and Lillard, which surprises me a bit.
Denver had talent, but the talent wasn't particularly well balanced fit wise.
Also I downgraded them some spots due to the planned defensive and offensive schemes. Running so much of the offense through Bogut without any spacing at the other big man spot, releasing in transition with their PG and both wings and trying to run. Also defensively I'm not high on Monroe at the PF spot, while AV helps with that he hasn't made it through a season in years.
Memphis in the real NBA had a superior PF/C combo and couldn't get much better than average offense out of them. But they were defensively at the top of the league. I fear similar offensive issues with lesser defense, and I think running a transition heavy offense will create further issues with the big man rotation and also compromise their defensive schemes.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
Stars win in this league Yoki and you had none. You probably have the greatest collection of #3 guys ever, but this league is based on having 31's and #2's and putting complimentary pieces around them.
Trading "down" in this game, whether it be in talent or in draft position to draft the best talent, seldom pays off. You have done it every time you have played this game.
You did a fabulous job holding onto your star talent in the DKC and not being tempted with the "here's two guys with 2.5 star talent let me have your 5 star talent" and having the patience to see things through and wait. The same philosophy here might have had you in the playoffs.
I really hope you take this as the constructive criticism and good advice it is meant as. It meant in the best of ways because I really think you have a good eye for talent and good debating ability. Just need some patience and more experience.
Dont worry Nick, I am taking it as such. But I would be lying if I dont say that it didn't suck the fun right out of me.
Again, missing the Playoffs is fine, I just dont get being last place. I think we are too good for that and find it unacceptable.
Oh well...
I don't see any scenario in which denver would miss the playoffs in the west. I certainly can't understand what other voters were thinking for you to wind up in last. I really don't get it.
I definitely did.
Oh and Kyle Lowry is bad news bears when he's the backup PG and his defense fell off massively this year. Much of his value was from being such a two way pest.
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
Stars win in this league Yoki and you had none. You probably have the greatest collection of #3 guys ever, but this league is based on having 31's and #2's and putting complimentary pieces around them.
Trading "down" in this game, whether it be in talent or in draft position to draft the best talent, seldom pays off. You have done it every time you have played this game.
You did a fabulous job holding onto your star talent in the DKC and not being tempted with the "here's two guys with 2.5 star talent let me have your 5 star talent" and having the patience to see things through and wait. The same philosophy here might have had you in the playoffs.
I really hope you take this as the constructive criticism and good advice it is meant as. It meant in the best of ways because I really think you have a good eye for talent and good debating ability. Just need some patience and more experience.
Dont worry Nick, I am taking it as such. But I would be lying if I dont say that it didn't suck the fun right out of me.
Again, missing the Playoffs is fine, I just dont get being last place. I think we are too good for that and find it unacceptable.
Oh well...
Also, don't think of it as last. Phoenix got disqualified, so you're at least ahead of them. :D
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Congratulations to everyone who made the playoffs.
And I apologize in advance for this rant, but I just feel like I have too. I'm very competitive and I find the results a bit too much.
Missing the Playoffs is fine. I didn't even think I'll make the Playoffs because everyone has a pessimistic view on Bogut, which I won't even contend because it's just going to be a longer argument. But being last in the West is something unacceptable to me.
I don't know what or why it is, and I respect everyone here but, last place? Denver is so much better than last place. This team is TOO DEEP and has enough talent to to be competitive against anyone. The defense is stout and the coach is world class. And while I know that there's no conspiracy here, and respect the decision of everyone, I feel like I question the decision making of everyone who voted.
It was a great game, like the last two, I enjoyed it. But my competitive side of me is disappointed that Denver did not get the respect I think it deserved.
Sorry if I'm rubbing anyone the wrong way.
I was very surprised to see you in last, as well. Apparently, folks aren't believers in Monroe and Lillard, which surprises me a bit.
Denver had talent, but the talent wasn't particularly well balanced fit wise.
Also I downgraded them some spots due to the planned defensive and offensive schemes. Running so much of the offense through Bogut without any spacing at the other big man spot, releasing in transition with their PG and both wings and trying to run. Also defensively I'm not high on Monroe at the PF spot, while AV helps with that he hasn't made it through a season in years.
Memphis in the real NBA had a superior PF/C combo and couldn't get much better than average offense out of them. But they were defensively at the top of the league. I fear similar offensive issues with lesser defense, and I think running a transition heavy offense will create further issues with the big man rotation and also compromise their defensive schemes.
I simply argued that Bogut and Monroe can co exist despite the lack of a mid range jumper. And I argued it well. I never stated that tje primary sets will run through him. Obviously nor whem Lillard is around.
Bogut also hides Montoe defensively just like he does with pretty much every PF he played with. And having Monroe brings a ton of size on the froncourt.
I get Lowry, but hes getting a ton of minutes and a huge role as a sixth man. Not to mention Riley coaching. But I get it. Still though, thats shouldnt be all it takes to drop us last place.
I guess im just venting now, but atleast I know the names to avoid next year, despite how talented they are.
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My thoughts:
Indiana vs. Milwaukee - firmly Indiana
New York vs. Boston - leaning New York
Cleveland vs. Orlando - firmly Cleveland
Atlanta vs. Miami - toss up
Minnesota vs. Portland - leaning Portland
Oklahoma City vs. San Antonio - leaning Oklahoma City
Dallas vs. Houston - firmly Dallas
Los Angeles vs. Golden State - firmly Golden State
I'm really having a hard time with the Atlanta / Miami series. I could be swayed in a handful of other series.
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my vote is in and my winners are:
East: IND, NY, CLE, ATL
West: MINN, OKC, DAL, GS
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I am leaning towards Boston, Indiana and Miami. Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
In the West - MIN, OKC, HOU and probably LAL although not quite decided on that last one yet.
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My thoughts:
Indiana vs. Milwaukee - firmly Indiana
New York vs. Boston - leaning New York
Cleveland vs. Orlando - firmly Cleveland
Atlanta vs. Miami - toss up
Minnesota vs. Portland - leaning Portland
Oklahoma City vs. San Antonio - leaning Oklahoma City
Dallas vs. Houston - firmly Dallas
Los Angeles vs. Golden State - firmly Golden State
I'm really having a hard time with the Atlanta / Miami series. I could be swayed in a handful of other series.
Well, if anything good can come out of this, it's that generally whatever Roy says you can count on the opposite being true. ;D
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out of curiosity, is there a list somewhere of when voting is due for each round? i apologize in advance if there is....just that there are so many threads.
thx
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out of curiosity, is there a list somewhere of when voting is due for each round? i apologize in advance if there is....just that there are so many threads.
thx
In the OP of each thread there is a link to guidelines and times. Basically its until midnight and I will process the votes then and get out an immediate results update in the OP of this thread and open up the next set of threads.
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out of curiosity, is there a list somewhere of when voting is due for each round? i apologize in advance if there is....just that there are so many threads.
thx
In the OP of each thread there is a link to guidelines and times. Basically its until midnight and I will process the votes then and get out an immediate results update in the OP of this thread and open up the next set of threads.
thx nick. tp
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EAST
Indiana
New York
Cleveland
Atlanta
WEST
Minnesota
OKC
Dallas
Los Angeles Lakers
i think, unlike many, that LA can pull it off
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Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to take off my green glasses, I think both teams are very close (I ended up going with Orlando) and stats prove that. (I would also assume I.P is torn on this series as I would probably rate him up there with you when it comes to evaluating teams and matchups)
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EVERYBODY GIVE NICK TP'S. Thanks again for doing all this Nick its been great.
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Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to take off my green glasses, I think both teams are very close (I ended up going with Orlando) and stats prove that. (I would also assume I.P is torn on this series as I would probably rate him up there with you when it comes to evaluating teams and matchups)
So if people disagree with you, they're wearing green glasses and aren't as good as you at evaluating teams and matchups?
I respectfully disagree.
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EVERYBODY GIVE NICK TP'S. Thanks again for doing all this Nick its been great.
co-sign
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EVERYBODY GIVE NICK TP'S. Thanks again for doing all this Nick its been great.
Ditto this. Good stuff.
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Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to take off my green glasses, I think both teams are very close (I ended up going with Orlando) and stats prove that. (I would also assume I.P is torn on this series as I would probably rate him up there with you when it comes to evaluating teams and matchups)
So if people disagree with you, they're wearing green glasses and aren't as good as you at evaluating teams and matchups?
I respectfully disagree.
If you would tell me that their was not a "KG Factor" in your decision or that you didn't play favorites with one team having KG and the other having Kobe, I would respectfully disagree. As for your second part, yes. (Of course I'm kidding, I never said I was a better evaluator than anyone all I said was that I.P and Who are 2 of the best at evaluatiing matchups.)
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Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to take off my green glasses, I think both teams are very close (I ended up going with Orlando) and stats prove that. (I would also assume I.P is torn on this series as I would probably rate him up there with you when it comes to evaluating teams and matchups)
So if people disagree with you, they're wearing green glasses and aren't as good as you at evaluating teams and matchups?
I respectfully disagree.
If you would tell me that their was not a "KG Factor" in your decision or didn't really like the Magic because they were being led by Kobe (or my favorite: the achilles injury is definitely going to slow him down etc.) As for your second part, yes. (Of course I'm kidding, I never said I was a better evaluator than anyone all I said was that I.P and Who are 2 of the best at evaluatiing matchups.)
Of course there's a KG factor. That doesn't mean people are wearing green glasses. I have a hard time believing that there's a fan of the NBA who doesn't believe there's a KG factor, after watching how he instantly infused this team with energy, and watching his passion and intensity.
With Kobe, what's a neutral or fair evaluation? I think he's an amazing individual talent who has an amazing drive, but who no longer can consistently win games on his own. Heck, he's never been able to consistently win games on his own. Recently, his teams have performed poorly when he has "gone off" on scoring binges. He needs big contributions from his supporting cast.
What part of the "the achilles will slow him down" argument don't you buy? Guys at his age who experience major injuries are generally going to show some decline, at least initially.
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Torn on the ORL-CLE series.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to take off my green glasses, I think both teams are very close (I ended up going with Orlando) and stats prove that. (I would also assume I.P is torn on this series as I would probably rate him up there with you when it comes to evaluating teams and matchups)
So if people disagree with you, they're wearing green glasses and aren't as good as you at evaluating teams and matchups?
I respectfully disagree.
If you would tell me that their was not a "KG Factor" in your decision or that you didn't play favorites with one team having KG and the other having Kobe, I would respectfully disagree. As for your second part, yes. (Of course I'm kidding, I never said I was a better evaluator than anyone all I said was that I.P and Who are 2 of the best at evaluatiing matchups.)
I would put a bunch of other people in that category too... people who voted Cleveland (or at least I think they did).
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I would put a bunch of other people in that category too... people who voted Cleveland (or at least I think they did).
That's nice to hear. :)
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Of course there's a KG factor. That doesn't mean people are wearing green glasses. I have a hard time believing that there's a fan of the NBA who doesn't believe there's a KG factor, after watching how he instantly infused this team with energy, and watching his passion and intensity.
With Kobe, what's a neutral or fair evaluation? I think he's an amazing individual talent who has an amazing drive, but who no longer can consistently win games on his own. Heck, he's never been able to consistently win games on his own. Recently, his teams have performed poorly when he has "gone off" on scoring binges. He needs big contributions from his supporting cast.
What part of the "the achilles will slow him down" argument don't you buy? Guys at his age who experience major injuries are generally going to show some decline, at least initially.
I'm pretty sure fans know there is a "KG Factor" but the thing is they probably don't overrate it like the people here do. Anyways last time I checked KG led his team to a 41-40 regular season and a first round exit. (I realize you are going to point out what happen to Kobe, but now he doesn't have to deal with Dwight and has a team that plays to his strengths.)
That's why Kobe has guys like Jack, Millsap, etc. (I would like to point out that Jack didn't choke in the playoffs, he averaged 17.2 ppg and .506 FG%.)
Ok let's say he does show some decline initially he will be back at full strength come playoffs though.
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PLAYOFF RESULTS IN FIRST PAGE OP
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67490.msg1547992#msg1547992
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Woof. 4 votes. [dang], 4 votes? Sheep!
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Congrats to Indy and their GM Rondo2287 on a hard fought series and for the spirited debate (even if I do vehemently disagree with the results).
Well done.
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People, please be sure to TP your host/commissioner/MC.
Results within twenty minutes of the polls closing? That's yeoman's work.
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People, please be sure to TP your host/commissioner/MC.
Results within twenty minutes of the polls closing? That's yeoman's work.
Yeah that's quick. Wish we had more than 18 votes, that's a poor showing but out of nicks hands.
But 14 of you were dead wrong. DEAD WRONG!
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Congrats to all the advancing teams.
And a thank you to fwf for a well-fought series.
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The results are in the spreadsheet on another sheet. The same username/email and password should get you in.
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Thunder 17 Thunder advance
Spurs 1
My second blowout loss to Dwight Howard and its even worse than the first. Maybe somewhat deserved given that I decided the deadline to vote was tomorrow. Many thanks to the one true believer. I will say Lucky17 was a worthy opponent and gets my support in the rounds ahead.
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Last time I'm ever nice to champ. ;D
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Woof. 4 votes. [dang], 4 votes? Sheep!
I only wish I'd voted (against you) so that I could throw this back in your face (with love).
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Congrats to all the advancing teams.
And a thank you to fwf for a well-fought series.
Back at you - good match between two well-matched squads.
Good luck in the semis - I think New York is ripe for the picking.
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
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Thanks to all the gms who voted for me
A big thanks to BigAlTheFuture for making it an extremely fun nerveracking series
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Tp nick.
Thanks.
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
Single day voting window sucks. Especially with no reminders except buried at the bottom of the match up threads.
I had company over and a busy day at work so no votes from me with MNF games keeping me away from CB. I was actually going to put my ballot in this morning when I got into work. *shrug*
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
Single day voting window sucks. Especially with no reminders except buried at the bottom of the match up threads.
I had company over and a busy day at work so no votes from me with MNF games keeping me away from CB. I was actually going to put my ballot in this morning when I got into work. *shrug*
if you don't mind my asking, who would you of voted for in the Hou-Dal series?
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
Single day voting window sucks. Especially with no reminders except buried at the bottom of the match up threads.
I had company over and a busy day at work so no votes from me with MNF games keeping me away from CB. I was actually going to put my ballot in this morning when I got into work. *shrug*
if you don't mind my asking, who would you of voted for in the Hou-Dal series?
I'm honestly not sure, that was one of the matchups that I don't have a strong opinion on, it seemed close.
I had Houston higher on my regular season ballot, but both were low playoff seeds.
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
Single day voting window sucks. Especially with no reminders except buried at the bottom of the match up threads.
I had company over and a busy day at work so no votes from me with MNF games keeping me away from CB. I was actually going to put my ballot in this morning when I got into work. *shrug*
if you don't mind my asking, who would you of voted for in the Hou-Dal series?
I'm honestly not sure, that was one of the matchups that I don't have a strong opinion on, it seemed close.
I had Houston higher on my regular season ballot, but both were low playoff seeds.
it was pretty dang close
gave me a mini heart attack
tie breakers aren't good for blood pressure ;)
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So this was my first go-around in one of these things.
Things I liked:
- putting the team together
- general camaraderie
- getting to legally Kobetroll half of Celticsblog for 3 weeks (though I was disappointed to not get more love for making my press conference a montage of Kobe scoring on his teammates)
Things I didn't like:
- being a dead team walking from the start (is it true Kobe's never even made it past the 2nd round in one these?)
- the voting format in general. Totally subjective voting with a small voter pool basically becomes a miniature popularity contest for biases. Can't think of many ways to do it better, just wish there was some more rigor to it.
- the (very rare) tiffs. Apparently much better than in past years though.
All in all I had a lot of fun, but I'm not sure I'd do it again. Will definitely stick around and watch this one play out, though.
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Surprise that Dallas-Rockets came down to a tiebreaker. I thought for sure that would happen in the Lakers Warriors match up but Warrior votes just kept coming in.
Really disappointed in the drop of voting and that of the 25 teams, only 14 decided to vote in this round with three playoff participating GMs missing votes.
Single day voting window sucks. Especially with no reminders except buried at the bottom of the match up threads.
I had company over and a busy day at work so no votes from me with MNF games keeping me away from CB. I was actually going to put my ballot in this morning when I got into work. *shrug*
This schedule has been set and published several times over multiple threads for over a month. Here was the original post that was posted in the Draft Interest Thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67145.msg1535437#msg1535437
Pressers will begin Tuesday Sept 3rd with the Atlantic and Pacific divisions. Wednesday Sept 4th will be the Central and Northwest divisions and Thursday Sept 5thh will be pressers for the Southeast and Southwest divisions.
Voting for regular season results and playoff seeding will take place on Friday Sept6th. First round of the playoffs will occur on Monday Sept 9th. Conference semifinals will happen on Tuesday Sept. 10th. Conference Finals to be done on Wednesday Sept. 11th and the Finals on Thursday Sept. 12th. Other awards will be held during playoff week and those times are to be determined.
The same announcement was posted in the Draft Thread but was expanded:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67286.msg1544555#msg1544555
And the time was put into the Voting Guidelines Thread and added to the OP of every playoff series thread. The information that it was going to be one day voting had been out there and readily accessible for a month.
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*shrug* make a narrow window to vote, don't be shocked when few people vote.
Regular season was a two-day window and the playoff votes in the past were a two day window. I made an assumption that was incorrect that the playoff votes would also be a two-day window. I should have double checked.
I feel bad for the teams that participated in the threads in response to my questions, they took the time to interact with me so I should have gotten a ballot in for them.
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I will say, I am somewhat disappointed to see so few GMs voted in the playoffs. I don't want to speculate on reasons, and I'm sure there may very well have been good reasons, but I'm left with the impression some simply lost interest once their team was eliminated.
Anyways, I do have a few take away's from my 1st time in the CB draft.
LIKES
-The 1st two weeks were a blast. I really enjoyed the roster building aspect. Drafting strategies, trades, etc..
-Overall, the atmosphere was good, and there did seem to be a nice camaraderie.
-The competitive aspect is interesting. I learned a lot about how other view certain players, game-play strategies and such. I didn't always agree with what other felt, but it was still interesting.
DISLIKES
-Not enough votes to truly get a well rounded and robust sample size of varying opinions. I don't really see how this can be changed though, and it is a minor quibble.
-Back and forth that goes on in the voting/discussion threads. I suspected coming in this was likely to be the part of the game I wouldn't enjoy, and I was right. That said, I don't particularly blame anyone for this. It is what it is.
On a personal note, I'm not sure if I'll play again. I just don't enjoy the grandstanding for votes, and felt uncomfortable the whole time, while doing my best to "convince" others as to the viability of my team. The Pick2 draft and the DKC seem much more relaxed in this regard. If I do join up again next season, I'll probably just avoid this aspect, and make my points in one post in the "press conference" thread, or playoff matchup thread, and leave it at that. I don't exactly see many voters changing their minds anyway.
I also would like to give a big shout out to Nick for organizing the whole event, and specifically for taking my lists and making my picks for me. Job well done!
I also do plan on staying around to vote in the continuing rounds, and look forward to seeing how this plays out.
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*shrug* make a narrow window to vote, don't be shocked when few people vote.
Regular season was a two-day window and the playoff votes in the past were a two day window. I made an assumption that was incorrect that the playoff votes would also be a two-day window. I should have double checked.
I feel bad for the teams that participated in the threads in response to my questions, they took the time to interact with me so I should have gotten a ballot in for them.
Don't feel its the narrow window effecting the vote. I feel it is the disinterest or priorities being elsewhere that has occurred since the draft ended on the parts of several GMs. 2 GMs missed their pressers. Another 4 put in pressers but were never around to answer questions. 5 GMs missed regular season voting even with a two day window. 11 GMs missed 1st round voting and I seriously doubt it was a lack of time to vote. Only two of those GMs have been around participating in the last week or so, that being TWW and rondoallaturca.
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Sad to see all my favorite teams get eliminated already: Mil, Mia, Hou, Lal. Glad I'm on bacation so I have things to take my mind off things though :)
Congratulations to everybody for a great league once again!
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Yikes. Was planning on signing on today to make my votes. Was swamped with my current college schedule. Didn't expect voting for the first round to end so quickly. Sorry for missing my vote, guys.
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I'll be sure to check more often in the 2nd round to get my votes in.
I'm also guessing that we could vote for ourselves? If that's the case, I would've advanced. Oh well. Always next year. I messed up on this one.
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I'll be sure to check more often in the 2nd round to get my votes in.
Second round starts and ends today, so get your votes in this afternoon/tonight.
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I have pretty much decided in three of them -- in favour of IND, GSW and OKC.
Undecided on CLE-NYK. I was leaning NYK to begin with but I am leaning more towards CLE now.
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I'm also guessing that we could vote for ourselves? If that's the case, I would've advanced. Oh well. Always next year. I messed up on this one.
Oh, ouch. TP for shrugging it off so gracefully.
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference winners:
Pacers
Cavs
Western Conference winners:
Wolves
Thunder
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WEST:
GSW
Dallas
EAST:
Cleveland
Atlanta
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I'm also guessing that we could vote for ourselves? If that's the case, I would've advanced. Oh well. Always next year. I messed up on this one.
Oh, ouch. TP for shrugging it off so gracefully.
Heck bigal!
i guess i'm glad you didn't vote but i feel slightly undeserving
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SEMI FINAL RESULTS IN THE FIRST PAGE OP
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Wow...close contests. I hope my last minute votes didn't swing decide anything ;)
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Wow...close contests. I hope my last minute votes didn't swing decide anything ;)
My guess here is Champ owes you a beer and you owe Rondo one. :D
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Ha, I went 1-3 in popular opinion polls
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pretty dissapointed with how the series turned out.
not sure how the series turned into such a blowout ???
oh well
next year be warned y'all ;D
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Ha, I went 1-3 in popular opinion polls
Only 2 votes out of 19 got it right with the end results
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pretty dissapointed with how the series turned out.
not sure how the series turned into such a blowout ???
oh well
next year be warned y'all ;D
Hell of a debut, fitz. TP to you.
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pretty dissapointed with how the series turned out.
not sure how the series turned into such a blowout ???
oh well
next year be warned y'all ;D
Hell of a debut, fitz. TP to you.
Thanks man
good luck next round
thanks for making this round enjoyable :)
(But I'll hold a grudge ;) )
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Picked the two eastern teams that moved on
I knew GSW would be close with Minny but the Lebron factor was important IMO
And of course I picked my mavs
I am really looking forward to the conference finals
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Congratulations to everyone who advanced, and apologize for not being able to vote (rare 2 shifts at work).
I gotta say, tje ECF looks like a tough thing to decide upon.
WCF, im alrwady leaning OKC, but I cam change my mind.
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Lol one vote?... Three years and in all three eliminated in the semis.
Thanks to all those who voted for me.
Congrats to minny.
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
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Lol one vote?... Three years and in all three eliminated in the semis.
Thanks to all those who voted for me.
Congrats to minny.
cursed much :-\
that is poor luck.
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
If i would have voted you would have made it to the next round, sorry.
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
If i would have voted you would have made it to the next round, sorry.
Deep down I knew it was all your fault. :)
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Not quite...
Home court advantage has it's perks. ;)
Heck of a series GSW - that was a close one. Congratulations on a job well-done.
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
Ignore this if the wound is too fresh, but what are your thoughts on Champ's absence in terms of how it affected the vote?
nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
Ignore this if the wound is too fresh, but what are your thoughts on Champ's absence in terms of how it affected the vote?
nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
I just wish that if he had commented he found time to do it before 10:45 last night. I may be a bit old manish but I go to bed around 10PM (which coincidentally would make me fit in well on Atlanta). Just stunk that he put out his strategy when I was already asleep so I couldnt respond and then when you look at the thread there were clearly people that hadnt voted at that point.
But oh well. Not his fault. My fault for being an old turd at age 26
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
with regards to this....I think it could be suicide if there is no dialogue, but in the case of rondo, he was getting hit left and right from people who were debating his team. champ had people debating for him and didn't address anything until the last hour before voting.
overall I think it hurts ur team if you don't defend your team, but in this case I feel it was an advantage.
just my two cents, not that it matters since im a voter, not a gm
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
If i would have voted you would have made it to the next round, sorry.
If you had voted this round and voted Pacers, the Pacers would have gone on to the next round. I waited for about 5 minutes after 12 for your vote because I saw you post in one of the threads very late that you were going to vote Minny, but when the vote didn't come I published the results
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Apologies for not rockin' the vote this year. The past few weeks have been hectic (especially the past two at work) and I just haven't had any time to dissect much of this draft at all and certainly not the matchups. IMO, its not really fair for me to vote if I really can't throw the effort into reviewing things over.
It blows getting older... :P
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Congrats to champ. Just wish more than one person was able to articulate a reason as to why my team would lose the matchup out of the 10 that voted against me. (Hat tip Roy Hobbs)
Ignore this if the wound is too fresh, but what are your thoughts on Champ's absence in terms of how it affected the vote?
nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
I just wish that if he had commented he found time to do it before 10:45 last night. I may be a bit old manish but I go to bed around 10PM (which coincidentally would make me fit in well on Atlanta). Just stunk that he put out his strategy when I was already asleep so I couldnt respond and then when you look at the thread there were clearly people that hadnt voted at that point.
But oh well. Not his fault. My fault for being an old turd at age 26
Yeah, sorry man. Been a tough week on my end in terms of finding free time. Didn't mean to put you at a disadvantage. If it makes you feel any better, I wrote that argument instead of catching up on this week's Breaking Bad...and I still haven't seen what apparently was a mind blowing episode.
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Thanks to PJ for a good series. For the record, I really really really liked his Knicks team and had them as the best East team in the regular season. Rubio with weapons like Martin, Green, Z.Bo and Lopez would be so fun to watch.
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Interesting to see Atl make it this far while Mil got bagged in the first round.
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Again, I appreciate the kind words rondoallaturca. Sadly, this opinion was obviously a minority one. The again, being in the minority does not inherently make one wrong, just, in the minority.
But that's the game. Oh well.
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Thanks to PJ for a good series. For the record, I really really really liked his Knicks team and had them as the best East team in the regular season. Rubio with weapons like Martin, Green, Z.Bo and Lopez would be so fun to watch.
Appreciate it. Good luck in the further rounds.
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not sure if i will be on later, so i voted a little early...
the winners that i voted for are CLE and Minny
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I voted okc and cavs
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not sure if i will be on later, so i voted a little early...
the winners that i voted for are CLE and Minny
Same.
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not sure if i will be on later, so i voted a little early...
the winners that i voted for are CLE and Minny
Same.
I didn't receive a vote from you Roy
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not sure if i will be on later, so i voted a little early...
the winners that i voted for are CLE and Minny
Same.
I didn't receive a vote from you Roy
Huh... Must not have sent. Well, there's my ballot out in the open, but I'm send you one formally.
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CONFERENCE FINALS RESULTS IN FIRST PAGE OP
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wow thunder got walloped a bit
very surprised at this
I voted for OKC
Cavs wasn't surprising IMO
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
I still wonder if I might have won if Roy hadnt argued my team couldnt defend Fab Melo and 4 chairs.
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
I still wonder if I might have won if Roy hadnt argued my team couldnt defend Fab Melo and 4 chairs.
Yup.
Or if your opponent had been forced to talk about how he'd have dealt with Deron Williams. He had Jameer (small weak and increasingly slow) and Lin (bigger but even slower and poor defensive instincts).
The way that series was setup I'd have been shocked if Wade wasn't forced to guard Williams, which would have been challenging for him (and Williams).
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
I still wonder if I might have won if Roy hadnt argued my team couldnt defend Fab Melo and 4 chairs.
I would have made the same argument whether Champ had showed up or not. Also, my much more vigorous arguments didn't do Dallas any favors.
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Congrats to Champ on a great run and a hard-fought series.
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
I still wonder if I might have won if Roy hadnt argued my team couldnt defend Fab Melo and 4 chairs.
I would have made the same argument whether Champ had showed up or not. Also, my much more vigorous arguments didn't do Dallas any favors.
I agree with Faf, as you know from my PMs on the subject, Roy. I think it could be a huge advantage. Bringing up Champ is maybe a bad example because I knew ahead of time that his business(college football) was starting up so he had great reason and told us ahead of time. But I think it brings up a good point that participation throughout the playoff debates should be addressed by those that make the rules to possibly stop someone who isn't a good debater or thinks they are better off not answering questions on their team during this crucial part of the game and decides not to participate.
I also think it a fairness of competition issue for those that want to debate their opponent. Some of the best basketball related debate on this site has occurred in these playoff threads. You vs IP last year, me vs IP, Rondo and I vs IP, Kane vs IP two years ago, and the earlier TWW vs Lucky debate, TWW, SO, Lucky, IP, and you always have great debate with however you face. I think trying to get participation between the GMs to be good for the game and if outside people like the debate, it helps to promote the game when the competing GMs stick to "within the rules" debates and banter.
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So, next year I think we institute an auction for Lebron. I've read too many arguments this year that are basically "Lebron. LEBRON. L-E-B-R-O-N", and I'm not sure that it's fair to guarantee a championship to a team for no reason other than luck of the draw.
An auction system, where teams bid draft picks and the Commish selects the best offer, might be the way to go. It might at least make for a more interesting draft.
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Nah, LeBron's beatable, but you have to bring your A game. When I voted, I didn't feel like Cleveland had the team to do it. But I did have LeBron's team losing in the first round. I think the biggest takeway from the Heat Spurs series is that if you have a guy who can guard LeBron and make him work at the other end, the teams are still beatable. I just don't think Butler and Wallace can do that anymore.
FWIW, LeBron should have lost last year but the All American Good Guyz were eliminated a round early.
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Nah, LeBron's beatable, but you have to bring your A game. When I voted, I didn't feel like Cleveland had the team to do it. But I did have LeBron's team losing in the first round. I think the biggest takeway from the Heat Spurs series is that if you have a guy who can guard LeBron and make him work at the other end, the teams are still beatable. I just don't think Butler and Wallace can do that anymore.
FWIW, LeBron should have lost last year but the All American Good Guyz were eliminated a round early.
While Rudy Gay can't slow down Lebron, I do think your Lakers were the team that gave us the most issues. I've been pretty consistent with that, and were shocked you lost early.
As for Lebron, this year he has proved to be unbeatable. You don't hear much about schemes, or offenses or defenses. You don't hear a lot about the supporting cast. Mostly, it's "He has Lebron, so he wins." The game has become "broken" to some degree. I just wonder if it would be fun to give all teams a shot at Lebron, to see how far that "unbeatable" theory extends.
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Nah, LeBron's beatable, but you have to bring your A game. When I voted, I didn't feel like Cleveland had the team to do it. But I did have LeBron's team losing in the first round. I think the biggest takeway from the Heat Spurs series is that if you have a guy who can guard LeBron and make him work at the other end, the teams are still beatable. I just don't think Butler and Wallace can do that anymore.
FWIW, LeBron should have lost last year but the All American Good Guyz were eliminated a round early.
While Rudy Gay can't slow down Lebron, I do think your Lakers were the team that gave us the most issues. I've been pretty consistent with that, and were shocked you lost early.
As for Lebron, this year he has proved to be unbeatable. You don't hear much about schemes, or offenses or defenses. You don't hear a lot about the supporting cast. Mostly, it's "He has Lebron, so he wins." The game has become "broken" to some degree. I just wonder if it would be fun to give all teams a shot at Lebron, to see how far that "unbeatable" theory extends.
Agreed. Before the lottery even took place, I was pretty sure whoever landed Lebron was going to win. It may or may not be fair but the guys perception is that he is literally unbeatable no matter what.
Maybe the CB Draft should be postponed until Lebron retires? Lol
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nick thinks that teams that don't participate have an advantage. I disagree, and think that sitting a series out is generally going to be suicide (although Champ is proving to be the exception).
Thoughts?
Its a big advantage, as long as you get one or two high discussion posters on your side.
You don't have to set lineups or tactics, you can let posters like myself, Roy, Who do that for you. You can be more things to more posters.
So yeah I think its a very large advantage.
I still wonder if I might have won if Roy hadnt argued my team couldnt defend Fab Melo and 4 chairs.
I would have made the same argument whether Champ had showed up or not. Also, my much more vigorous arguments didn't do Dallas any favors.
Thanks for defending my team so passionately anyway :)
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said this in the minny/cavs thread, and figured id post here as well, since its a similar discussion in both threads:
voting is unique and a personal thing to each voter, in any circumstance (politics, cb draft, etc.). everyone is different in what they value, what they foresee, and how they interpret things. being told a voter is wrong, uninformed, or anything else that is being implied is just wrong imo. this is a hypothetical exercise where voting takes place. no one's vote is more valued or more important than the next person. if someone does not agree with someone's analysis, interprets things differently, or projects different outcomes....they aren't wrong, misinformed, a sheep, or anything else....they have a difference of opinion, plain and simple..
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All this nonsense about LeBron be a "win button" is horse crap.
It's not my fault, or the fault of any of the others who have voted for Minny, that the opponent in each series Minny has participated in has been equally, if not more, flawed. You have bring to your "A game", to beat him. You also need a competent defender at the SF position. None of the teams Minny faced can boast this (maybe Portland).
Once I saw the complete rosters, at the roster-lock deadline, I knew there would only be two teams capable of beating them (IMHO). Atlanta was one of those teams. The other, well, I'm sure you can guess what team that is.
The wrong team made it to the finals, again, not my fault.
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All this nonsense about LeBron be a "win button" is horse crap.
It's not my fault, or the fault of any of the others who have voted for Minny, that the opponent in each series Minny has participated in has been equally, if not more, flawed. You have bring to your "A game", to beat him. You also need a competent defender at the SF position. None of the teams Minny faced can boast this (maybe Portland).
Once I saw the complete rosters, at the roster-lock deadline, I knew there would only be two teams capable of beating them (IMHO). Atlanta was one of those teams. The other, well, I'm sure you can guess what team that is.
The wrong team made it to the finals, again, not my fault.
I don't think it's a instant win having Lebron, but people certainly rate him on a god like level.
I'm thinking that Lebron certainly holds an advantage with the voters
on another note I am sure my Mavs could beat the T'wolves :D
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All this nonsense about LeBron be a "win button" is horse crap.
It's not my fault, or the fault of any of the others who have voted for Minny, that the opponent in each series Minny has participated in has been equally, if not more, flawed. You have bring to your "A game", to beat him. You also need a competent defender at the SF position. None of the teams Minny faced can boast this (maybe Portland).
Once I saw the complete rosters, at the roster-lock deadline, I knew there would only be two teams capable of beating them (IMHO). Atlanta was one of those teams. The other, well, I'm sure you can guess what team that is.
The wrong team made it to the finals, again, not my fault.
I don't think it's a instant win having Lebron, but people certainly rate him on a god like level.
I'm thinking that Lebron certainly holds an advantage with the voters
on another note I am sure my Mavs could beat the T'wolves :D
Yeah, the Mavs might have been able to pull it off too. Deng is one of the few players that can actually make LeBron work for his. I still don't think I would have voted that way, but, maybe.
Here's the short list of players I put in the category of being able to make Lebron sweat; Paul George, Luol Deng, Kawhi Leonard, Paul Pierce, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony. You don't have one of those players, you're likely going to lose.
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CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS IN THE FIRST PAGE OP
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Ouch to AB! That stings. We gotta get a better tie breaker than HCA, but Minny had the better seeding as well.
Congrats to MCP, rookie GM, wins lottery, wins tournament despite TIGHTLY contested finals. Good job!
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Timberwolves 8 Timberwolves win tie breaker due to HCA. Timberwolves win 2013 CB DRAFT Championship
Cavaliers 8
Loss by home court advantage? That would keep me up at night. Still hat tip to AB and AirBelinelli. Nice work gentleman. And three cheers for Nick who was a one man full court press. I'm still rubbing my eyes in disbelief at how smoothly this draft ran.
Finally, hearty congratulations to McHale's Pits. Speech. Speech.
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good finals series
so close
congrats to both AB an McHP's on a great job with their teams
big thanks to Nick for the greatly organised draft
will definitely do next year :)
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I see it was mentioned in the Finals thread, and I wanted to address the topic. While there were a few posters who expressed disappointment in McHalesPits debate "style", or perceived lack of debate to be more precise, I found his style refreshing, whether intentional or otherwise.
To me, the most interesting and fun aspect of this game is the process of roster building. It's a chance to see how good your GM'ing skills are, and compared to other's. What I don't 'love' is the desires of some to turn it into a contest of who has better debating skills. I find it takes away from what the 'real' objective is supposed to be. So yes, make your point and then let the voters discuss amongst themselves.
Sadly, I suspect the powers that be like that it is more of a debating skills contest. Seems underhanded to me. So yeah, if rules are changed too drastically, and with the intention of placing further emphasis on what I view as nothing more than distraction tactics, I probably will not return as a GM. I found a few posters general manner to be rather distasteful, and would likely be further put-off with stronger emphasis placed on the veracity with which one tries to 'sell' his or her team.
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I see it was mentioned in the Finals thread, and I wanted to address the topic. While there were a few posters who expressed disappointment in McHalesPits debate "style", or perceived lack of debate to be more precise, I found his style refreshing, whether intentional or otherwise.
To me, the most interesting and fun aspect of this game is the process of roster building. It's a chance to see how good your GM'ing skills are, and compared to other's. What I don't 'love' is the desires of some to turn it into a contest of who has better debating skills. I find it takes away from what the 'real' objective is supposed to be. So yes, make your point and then let the voters discuss amongst themselves.
Sadly, I suspect the powers that be like that it is more of a debating skills contest. Seems underhanded to me. So yeah, if rules are changed too drastically, and with the intention of placing further emphasis on what I view as nothing more than distraction tactics, I probably will not return as a GM. I found a few posters general manner to be rather distasteful, and would likely be further put-off with stronger emphasis placed on the veracity with which one tries to 'sell' his or her team.
TP. I would actually play again if there was some type of simulator involved at the end of the draft. I loved the draft, the wheeling and dealing. Hated the popularity contest/ who is the best at arguing. Great post.
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Oh and who has the most time to argue*. I don't know how folks can dedicate so much time while at work.
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I see it was mentioned in the Finals thread, and I wanted to address the topic. While there were a few posters who expressed disappointment in McHalesPits debate "style", or perceived lack of debate to be more precise, I found his style refreshing, whether intentional or otherwise.
To me, the most interesting and fun aspect of this game is the process of roster building. It's a chance to see how good your GM'ing skills are, and compared to other's. What I don't 'love' is the desires of some to turn it into a contest of who has better debating skills. I find it takes away from what the 'real' objective is supposed to be. So yes, make your point and then let the voters discuss amongst themselves.
Sadly, I suspect the powers that be like that it is more of a debating skills contest. Seems underhanded to me. So yeah, if rules are changed too drastically, and with the intention of placing further emphasis on what I view as nothing more than distraction tactics, I probably will not return as a GM. I found a few posters general manner to be rather distasteful, and would likely be further put-off with stronger emphasis placed on the veracity with which one tries to 'sell' his or her team.
I think there is something to this. But I also think you're misinterpreting the intent, or what I want/hope the intent to be. Ideally, you'd get 4 posts. One blind 'strategy' post from each team, and once that's seen and digested, one again blind (as in they're released simultaneously) rebuttal from each team to their counterpart.
But the logistics of this are tough. There were 16 votes in the finals. Voter fatigue is a huge deal in these drafts. I can't recall how many votes we had last year , but I want to say it was something like 22 in the finals.
We should get at minimum a vote from every team. Then ideally we would drag in another 10-15 votes from around the forum.
16 votes, and at least 3, maybe more from non-GMs. It's disheartening, and a problem that is not easily solved. One might say draft fatigue from other similar contests is to blame, but this has been an ongoing issue for some time.
And doing what Id call the 'right' way would require even more attention from the voting public. Attention they seem, even inexplicably the GMs, unwilling to give.
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IP, I do agree with the voting aspect fully. I know everyone has a life outside of CB, and know this first hand. Still, if you sign up to be a GM, please at least make the effort to vote. It takes only a few minutes (literally) to submit a vote via PM.
Also, the "two blind posts each" suggestion is a decent one. I just don't think engaging in any sort of back-and-forth should ever be a 'requirement'. If one side or the other wishes to do so, that is their prerogative.
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IP, I do agree with the voting aspect fully. I know everyone has a life outside of CB, and know this first hand. Still, if you sign up to be a GM, please at least make the effort to vote. It takes only a few minutes (literally) to submit a vote via PM.
Also, the "two blind posts each" suggestion is a decent one. I just don't think engaging in any sort of back-and-forth should ever be a 'requirement'. If one side or the other wishes to do so, that is their prerogative.
I think that there should be some requirement though.
For instance, if I had been starting two big guys (say Asik and Howard) for defense, and you countered going small (say Lebron/Sanders) instead of starting the 4 you'd projected all year (say Brandon Bass), that's a huge difference. That type of pure strategy and team building is what the draft is for.
But if you just never say what you'll do, and I commit to a gameplan, others who think you 'going small' makes the difference in the series will just see what they want, or not, while the guy who committed is left hanging with people likely expecting a best-case scenario for the other party. Seems kind of unfair.
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IP, I do agree with the voting aspect fully. I know everyone has a life outside of CB, and know this first hand. Still, if you sign up to be a GM, please at least make the effort to vote. It takes only a few minutes (literally) to submit a vote via PM.
Also, the "two blind posts each" suggestion is a decent one. I just don't think engaging in any sort of back-and-forth should ever be a 'requirement'. If one side or the other wishes to do so, that is their prerogative.
I think that there should be some requirement though.
For instance, if I had been starting two big guys (say Asik and Howard) for defense, and you countered going small (say Lebron/Sanders) instead of starting the 4 you'd projected all year (say Brandon Bass), that's a huge difference. That type of pure strategy and team building is what the draft is for.
But if you just never say what you'll do, and I commit to a gameplan, others who think you 'going small' makes the difference in the series will just see what they want, or not, while the guy who committed is left hanging with people likely expecting a best-case scenario for the other party. Seems kind of unfair.
But that's coaching not GMing. The question to the voter should be, "does team have the type of coach that could win in the X's and O's department"
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IP, I do agree with the voting aspect fully. I know everyone has a life outside of CB, and know this first hand. Still, if you sign up to be a GM, please at least make the effort to vote. It takes only a few minutes (literally) to submit a vote via PM.
Also, the "two blind posts each" suggestion is a decent one. I just don't think engaging in any sort of back-and-forth should ever be a 'requirement'. If one side or the other wishes to do so, that is their prerogative.
I think that there should be some requirement though.
For instance, if I had been starting two big guys (say Asik and Howard) for defense, and you countered going small (say Lebron/Sanders) instead of starting the 4 you'd projected all year (say Brandon Bass), that's a huge difference. That type of pure strategy and team building is what the draft is for.
But if you just never say what you'll do, and I commit to a gameplan, others who think you 'going small' makes the difference in the series will just see what they want, or not, while the guy who committed is left hanging with people likely expecting a best-case scenario for the other party. Seems kind of unfair.
But that's coaching not GMing. The question to the voter should be, "does team have the type of coach that could win in the X's and O's department"
That's a really solid point
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Hi All-
It's currently 3:30 EST and I am grabbing a crummy hotel breakfast before catching the shuttle to the airport for my 6:00 AM flight back home. I decided I'd spend a few minutes to make a post to touch on a few topics.
1) Thank you for all those who voted both for and against me. This whole experience has been a blast. I'm happy to see that my Minnesota Timberwolves came out on top (-ish). Cleveland built a heck of a team that is equally worthy of winning - kudos to them. To quote Denzel from Remember the Titans, "You're hall of fame in my book". Thank you to Nick for allowing a new poster to participate and running this thing tremendously. I have had interactions with numerous posters during these last few weeks and it has been fun "meeting" you. I look forward to discussing real basketball with you all when the season starts.
2) Regarding my lack of posting during finals - unfortunately a work trip has made it a bit difficult to put the effort in. As you'll see throughout the draft and matchups, I tried to keep a standard posting style. In the draft, I selected - added a photo - and commented on the player. In the matchups - I would list the starting lineup - comment on overall strategy - and comment on individual facets of the game. So the fact I didn't get to in the finals was more bad timing than negligence on my part. However with that being said, I looked at this as a team building exercise moreso than a debate contest. After attempting to defend my decision to start BBD in the WCF, I realized that in some cases people already have their mind made up about players and no matter of persuasion can move them from that stance. To some Monta will always be a chucker and wouldn't be able to succeed in an exercise such as this. I do believe that the debate is an important part of this, but I think it should be a two or three post strategy style where we list initial strategy/rotation followed by a few adjustments.
3) Regarding my team - it is easy to start off with the first pick and know that you have a guaranteed shot at the title if you surround him well. But it isn't easy when the next two picks are 50 and 75 overall. I didnt like Indiana's draft board after securing the Durant-Williams combo so I felt that securing the second superstar was unlikely/unwise. I decided to build around Lebron with complementary players to build a deep, versatile roster. As many noticed, my strategy was to get defensive minded players (defense is almost always a constant as its effort based) who had another skill to bring to the table. I felt that way allowed my team a great deal of versatility to match up against anybody.
Again - it's been a pleasure - thank you to all who participated, contributed, voted, and moderated. It has been fun. Cheers!
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congrats to cle and minny for making it to the finals and having such a close finals vote! congrats to minny for the win.
i think it stinks that MP is forced to defend having a life outside of the draft, having to defend having the #1 pick (when virtually everyone would have selected the same player), and is made to felt that he wins by default bc he drafted lbj....when he should be happy and proud of winning this thing.
to MP...don't listen to the junk that has been said and dont apologize. you drafted a great team and you won, so enjoy it.
im disappointed with a lot of the posts, not only for the content and attitude, but bc i really believe if other posters were making the posts, there would have been disciplinary action, not only from the draft, but for the blog in general. im not going to go into details and will just leave it at that. the aforementioned posts, for me personally, made me not want to chime in with thoughts about the matchups or my voting, so im guessing gm's actually involved in the draft felt it as well (i dont know for sure and am assuming this to be true).
my last point....the draft is super long and takes an enormous commitment. this thing takes like a month, with a daily commitment along the way. i am amazed people can actually commit to it, so kudos to all.
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agree with darklord
MP you did a great job with your team. not many people wouldn't pick Lebron at #1
you shouldn't have to defend having Lebron
big congrats to MP
great job!
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IP, I do agree with the voting aspect fully. I know everyone has a life outside of CB, and know this first hand. Still, if you sign up to be a GM, please at least make the effort to vote. It takes only a few minutes (literally) to submit a vote via PM.
Also, the "two blind posts each" suggestion is a decent one. I just don't think engaging in any sort of back-and-forth should ever be a 'requirement'. If one side or the other wishes to do so, that is their prerogative.
I think that there should be some requirement though.
For instance, if I had been starting two big guys (say Asik and Howard) for defense, and you countered going small (say Lebron/Sanders) instead of starting the 4 you'd projected all year (say Brandon Bass), that's a huge difference. That type of pure strategy and team building is what the draft is for.
But if you just never say what you'll do, and I commit to a gameplan, others who think you 'going small' makes the difference in the series will just see what they want, or not, while the guy who committed is left hanging with people likely expecting a best-case scenario for the other party. Seems kind of unfair.
But that's coaching not GMing. The question to the voter should be, "does team have the type of coach that could win in the X's and O's department"
Except, many who participate feel picking a coach is a ridiculous part of the game so saying the coach will be doing the decision making regarding that might be viewed as a bit of a political cop out job to avoid the answering of strategy questions those people.
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