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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CFAN38 on March 23, 2018, 12:01:52 PM
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As players start to declare for the draft we will see many declare without an agent in order to test their stock and get feedback from the league. Many of these players are raw and need more time in college but some will come out regardless. This brings me to this posts title "Could/should Celtics target a boom or bust prospect".
The players who first come to mind for me as guys who where elite college recruits who really need more time to develop but may declare and stay in the draft anyways.
Trevon Duval PG Duke, he is a freshman who was 6th in the class of 2017 espn 100 recruits
Hamidou Diallo wing UK, he is a freshman who was 11th in the class of 2016 espn 100 recruits
Mitchell Robinson Center , he would have been a freshman had he attended college was 11th in the class of 2017 espn 100 recruits
Gary Trent Jr wing duke, he is a freshman who was 8th in the class of 2017 espn 100 recruits
Anternee Simons guard, he is a 5th year highschool player who is 7th in the class of 2018 espn 100 recruits
two other player I would qualify with this above group though they do not share the same high school pe
Omar Yurtseven center NC State, sophmore
Kostas Antetokounmpo wing dayton, red-shirt freshman
Out of these 7 Robinson is typically projected just outside the lottery, Duval and Simons in the 20s, and the rest range from late 1st to undrafted. All of these players have alot of developmental potential and could prove to be steals in the future. At the same time they are also players that carry a high bust potential.
Out of that list I can particularly see DA having interest in Duval who has a similar athletic profile to Rozier or Avery Bradely and Diallo who has a similar profile to a smaller Jaylen Brown. Both players would have to spend a lot of time in Maine but could have major future value to the team.
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Sure. I'm down with any of these guys if Danny thinks he can play in the NBA. Assuming we draft around 26 or higher, I'm not hoping for too much here.
I'd be ok if Danny traded the pick for a veteran who can play.
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I'm okay for doing this if it's a long athletic player with a motor. At the very least you can then expect solid defense at his position when he is in. If he is an undersized guy it rarely works out.
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Unfortunately I have fallen in love with Robert Williams as a prospect. Most sites and mocks have him between 14 and 22, so I'm wishing we could find a way to move up for him if he slides to the back half of that range.
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If the player can be stashed, I have no problem with this. Or if either Nader or Semi or both are moved or given their walking papers, then again, I have no problem with bringing a project onto the main roster.
But what I don't want is a deep bench consisting of Yabusele, Nader, Ojeleye, and another project. That puts a ton of expectations on your 11 man rotation to stay healthy in a contending year because there's no experienced, somewhat skilled vets on that deep bench.
Given we could have as many as 4 1st round picks in 2019, maybe the best route is to consolidate some of these picks and trade for a really good rotational player, maybe a big to replace Monroe or Baynes.
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Hopefully they find the next DeAndre Jordan or Clint Capela type player drafted late
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I don't see any of the players the OP mentioned really being a good player. Diallo and Robinson are overrated athletes with a terrible feel for the game of basketball. Kostas is two years away from being two years away. I'm not sure he ever gets much better. Trent looks like a possible end-of-bench player.
I do like Simmons some, but the amount of resources necessary to change his shooting form, develop his passing, and improve his decision-making may be too much for a contending team.
I do like Duval and Yurt as bench players, but I don't view them as a boom (starter) or bust prospects.
Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
I think Kerwin Roach has some potential as a Lou Williams/Will Barton type of player, but he might not really get good until his second contract.
Keita Bates-Diop is somehow both underrated and overrated at the same time. I doubt he can be a starting player, but he looks like a rotation guy to me in the right situation.
Isaac Bonga is a 6'9'' point guard from Germany that has potential to be a starting caliber player.
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I don't see any of the players the OP mentioned really being a good player. Diallo and Robinson are overrated athletes with a terrible feel for the game of basketball. Kostas is two years away from being two years away. I'm not sure he ever gets much better. Trent looks like a possible end-of-bench player.
I do like Simmons some, but the amount of resources necessary to change his shooting form, develop his passing, and improve his decision-making may be too much for a contending team.
I do like Duval and Yurt as bench players, but I don't view them as a boom (starter) or bust prospects.
Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
I think Kerwin Roach has some potential as a Lou Williams/Will Barton type of player, but he might not really get good until his second contract.
Keita Bates-Diop is somehow both underrated and overrated at the same time. I doubt he can be a starting player, but he looks like a rotation guy to me in the right situation.
Isaac Bonga is a 6'9'' point guard from Germany that has potential to be a starting caliber player.
Yeah, Yurtseven seems to be a Danny guy - a big who can handle and pass, and shoot. I'd be happy if we took him.. Porter is sneaky underrated, I suspect he will climb as the draft nears.
PG situation next year will be interesting. I suspect Larkin will move on looking for a long-term deal now - given his super solid year. Something in the Evan Turner range ;)
It seems that the date for matching RFA offers is after the draft, so it is a bit trickier to know about Duval (who I reaaallly like). If we let Marcus go, then we will definitely have a positional need. On the other hand, there are millions of vet PGs who we could trade for (even using the pick in the trade, and it might be better for us to have more experienced depth next year when our window is fully open. I don't like the idea of a late first round rookie PG seeing serious minutes next year.
Also when do Draftexpress release all those "Strengths/Weaknesses" videos for prospects? They are really good to get an idea of what holes guys have.. (I remember watching Kuzma's weaknesses video and thinking "no way on this dude" - so sometimes they get it wrongish)
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/the-end-of-an-era-6070/
Someone reaaaaaally needs to fill this gaping hole in the internet. 2 TPs to anyone who can recommend good online similar resources..
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What do you guys think of Duke's Wendell Carter, jr? 6'10, 18 years old...could be a nice big down the road. If he doesn't declare for the draft, could he be in the running for the Kings' pick next year?
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Would love any big tbh
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/the-end-of-an-era-6070/
Someone reaaaaaally needs to fill this gaping hole in the internet. 2 TPs to anyone who can recommend good online similar resources..
User Jacksonhoy on Reddit posted a Google doc of all the measurements of all this year's prospects.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jyms0Yn7e8YfYMseTGXeQbds5oiCGrq6K899z5-BSIs/edit#gid=853612
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/86vug4/now_that_draftexpress_is_completely_useless_whats/dw8b608
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Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
Ainge already gave Sullinger a chance and got burnt.
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I’m not sure about boom or bust, but I’m praying Brandon McCoy is available
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Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
Ainge already gave Sullinger a chance and got burnt.
I don't consider Jontay a boom or bust prospect. He is already is really skilled with positional size at only 18. His floor is much higher then a lot of the prospects I have listed. His ceiling is really going to be married to his physical development/refinement and his outside shot. With a consistent 3pt shot and an improved body he could be a Al Horford like big man.
As for the Sully comp lets not forget how productive Sully was as a Celtic. In his 3 years as a primary role player/ starter he averaged 12pt 8rb. I would hardly say DA or the Cs got burnt. They upgraded his position with Horford.
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Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
Ainge already gave Sullinger a chance and got burnt.
Except Porter has Center size and length, and a 3 point shot. Sullinger had none of those things.
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Another Boom or Bust Guy I would add to my list is
Jarred Vanderbilt UK, 19th in the class of 2017 he is a very unique prospect who I hadn't given much though till till I hear him discussed on the "Ringers Draft class". He is a 6'9 220lb big man with a 7'1 wingspan. What makes him intriguing is his ability to potentially legitimately defend 1-5, provide elite level rebounding, and his good enough with the ball to push on the fast break. In the modern NBA he could carve out a nice role as a super high energy small ball rim running big.
The down side is the fact the he has had alot of foot injuries and missed most on this season and the fact that he does not shoot the call well and is a limited player on offense.
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I'm in the move up for Robert Williams or draft and stash Omer Yurtseven camp. I want a center, was kinda sad to see Zizic traded. I think this is a good draft to get some kind of project for the end of the bench or a draft and stash guy.
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I'm in the move up for Robert Williams or draft and stash Omer Yurtseven camp. I want a center, was kinda sad to see Zizic traded. I think this is a good draft to get some kind of project for the end of the bench or a draft and stash guy.
Yurtseven has shown good things in FIBA junior competitions. But his long range is not good (and i am polite here)
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I'm in the move up for Robert Williams or draft and stash Omer Yurtseven camp. I want a center, was kinda sad to see Zizic traded. I think this is a good draft to get some kind of project for the end of the bench or a draft and stash guy.
Yurtseven has shown good things in FIBA junior competitions. But his long range is not good (and i am polite here)
First and foremost, I am an NC State fan and my son attends and has seen Yurts play in person a LOT. He is horrible. He has horrible hands (easily gets the ball stripped.). He has virtually ZERO low post game. He might be the slowest moving big, laterally, in the country. He can shoot a three. That is about it. Most Worfpack fans are ELATED that he is going pro. Good riddance!!!!
Smitty77
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I'm in the move up for Robert Williams or draft and stash Omer Yurtseven camp. I want a center, was kinda sad to see Zizic traded. I think this is a good draft to get some kind of project for the end of the bench or a draft and stash guy.
Yurtseven has shown good things in FIBA junior competitions. But his long range is not good (and i am polite here)
First and foremost, I am an NC State fan and my son attends and has seen Yurts play in person a LOT. He is horrible. He has horrible hands (easily gets the ball stripped.). He has virtually ZERO low post game. He might be the slowest moving big, laterally, in the country. He can shoot a three. That is about it. Most Worfpack fans are ELATED that he is going pro. Good riddance!!!!
Smitty77
I ll take your view on him ... Performance in such tournaments can be easily misleading. One question though... Can he really shoot 3p? If I am not wrong in the last European championship he didnt even try to take a 3p
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I don't see any of the players the OP mentioned really being a good player. Diallo and Robinson are overrated athletes with a terrible feel for the game of basketball. Kostas is two years away from being two years away. I'm not sure he ever gets much better. Trent looks like a possible end-of-bench player.
I do like Simmons some, but the amount of resources necessary to change his shooting form, develop his passing, and improve his decision-making may be too much for a contending team.
I do like Duval and Yurt as bench players, but I don't view them as a boom (starter) or bust prospects.
Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
I think Kerwin Roach has some potential as a Lou Williams/Will Barton type of player, but he might not really get good until his second contract.
Keita Bates-Diop is somehow both underrated and overrated at the same time. I doubt he can be a starting player, but he looks like a rotation guy to me in the right situation.
Isaac Bonga is a 6'9'' point guard from Germany that has potential to be a starting caliber player.
What makes you think that Robinson is overrated? He didn't play a single NCAA game (he was kicked off the team, which is its own red flag), but he was apparently dominant in high school. I'm not arguing with you; I've never seen him play. Just curious what makes you think he is a terrible basketball player.
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I'm in the move up for Robert Williams or draft and stash Omer Yurtseven camp. I want a center, was kinda sad to see Zizic traded. I think this is a good draft to get some kind of project for the end of the bench or a draft and stash guy.
Yurtseven has shown good things in FIBA junior competitions. But his long range is not good (and i am polite here)
First and foremost, I am an NC State fan and my son attends and has seen Yurts play in person a LOT. He is horrible. He has horrible hands (easily gets the ball stripped.). He has virtually ZERO low post game. He might be the slowest moving big, laterally, in the country. He can shoot a three. That is about it. Most Worfpack fans are ELATED that he is going pro. Good riddance!!!!
Smitty77
Yeah, my father is a NC State alumn and lives in Raleigh, so he watches them a lot, and this seems to be his feelings on Yurtseven.
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I'm also feeling Moritz Wagner out of Michigan. He looks like he would be a good fit in our system and should be a late first round pick.
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I don't see any of the players the OP mentioned really being a good player. Diallo and Robinson are overrated athletes with a terrible feel for the game of basketball. Kostas is two years away from being two years away. I'm not sure he ever gets much better. Trent looks like a possible end-of-bench player.
I do like Simmons some, but the amount of resources necessary to change his shooting form, develop his passing, and improve his decision-making may be too much for a contending team.
I do like Duval and Yurt as bench players, but I don't view them as a boom (starter) or bust prospects.
Jontay Porter is overweight and a below average athlete, but his feel for the game and shooting are great for a big man. If he could improve his athleticism by losing weight, he could be a really valuable player/starter.
I think Kerwin Roach has some potential as a Lou Williams/Will Barton type of player, but he might not really get good until his second contract.
Keita Bates-Diop is somehow both underrated and overrated at the same time. I doubt he can be a starting player, but he looks like a rotation guy to me in the right situation.
Isaac Bonga is a 6'9'' point guard from Germany that has potential to be a starting caliber player.
What makes you think that Robinson is overrated? He didn't play a single NCAA game (he was kicked off the team, which is its own red flag), but he was apparently dominant in high school. I'm not arguing with you; I've never seen him play. Just curious what makes you think he is a terrible basketball player.
I've probably done what you've done -- watch youtube highlights of the guy. His size, explosiveness, and agility are apparent, but his hands are mediocre and I was never impressed with his feel in those highlights.
I might be wrong. Just my thoughts based on what I've seen.
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If you can teach a player to play within themselves, you have to take a flier on Robinson. Sure he doesn't know how to play basketball, but he was a prolific shot blocker. He also knew how to jump hard for rebounds. Flash a possible shot, and boom you have a foundation. He is a project if there ever was one. If he had any semblance of a game, his tools would make it so he was never available near where the celtics Pick.
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Definitely hoping for a big. Maybe an immediate Baynes replacement if he leaves.
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I am hoping for Dončić at the 2. With Lakers turning the poker of deuces in a row. The boom would be in full effect.
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If you can teach a player to play within themselves, you have to take a flier on Robinson. Sure he doesn't know how to play basketball, but he was a prolific shot blocker. He also knew how to jump hard for rebounds. Flash a possible shot, and boom you have a foundation. He is a project if there ever was one. If he had any semblance of a game, his tools would make it so he was never available near where the celtics Pick.
Sounds like Jordan Mickey. One skill (shotblocking) teach him to play within himself.
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I am hoping for Dončić at the 2. With Lakers turning the poker of deuces in a row. The boom would be in full effect.
Multiple TPs
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If you can teach a player to play within themselves, you have to take a flier on Robinson. Sure he doesn't know how to play basketball, but he was a prolific shot blocker. He also knew how to jump hard for rebounds. Flash a possible shot, and boom you have a foundation. He is a project if there ever was one. If he had any semblance of a game, his tools would make it so he was never available near where the celtics Pick.
Sounds like Jordan Mickey. One skill (shotblocking) teach him to play within himself.
I mean if Mickey was 7'1 and flashed a jumpshot he may still have been at the end of our bench. We don't know.
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If you can teach a player to play within themselves, you have to take a flier on Robinson. Sure he doesn't know how to play basketball, but he was a prolific shot blocker. He also knew how to jump hard for rebounds. Flash a possible shot, and boom you have a foundation. He is a project if there ever was one. If he had any semblance of a game, his tools would make it so he was never available near where the celtics Pick.
Sounds like Jordan Mickey. One skill (shotblocking) teach him to play within himself.
I mean if Mickey was 7'1 and flashed a jumpshot he may still have been at the end of our bench. We don't know.
If you don't know anything beyond standing in the middle and blocking shots, I don't care if you're 6'8" with 7'+ reach with great hops or 7'1" and a 7'5" reach, if you don't know how to play basketball, I don't want you on my team.
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If you can teach a player to play within themselves, you have to take a flier on Robinson. Sure he doesn't know how to play basketball, but he was a prolific shot blocker. He also knew how to jump hard for rebounds. Flash a possible shot, and boom you have a foundation. He is a project if there ever was one. If he had any semblance of a game, his tools would make it so he was never available near where the celtics Pick.
Sounds like Jordan Mickey. One skill (shotblocking) teach him to play within himself.
I mean if Mickey was 7'1 and flashed a jumpshot he may still have been at the end of our bench. We don't know.
If you don't know anything beyond standing in the middle and blocking shots, I don't care if you're 6'8" with 7'+ reach with great hops or 7'1" and a 7'5" reach, if you don't know how to play basketball, I don't want you on my team.
That's a fair point. I just think size makes it a little easier to hide problems with knowing how to play the game. Say they both had the same defensive radius, the guy that utilizes athleticism to enforce that radius has to make the proper read a lot earlier than the giant.
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The last thing we need is another solid player who can give you 10mpg.
I rather take a chance on a guy that can become the steal of the draft....or may be out of the league in 3 years. Danny’s due to hit on one of those eventually lol, as his late first/early seconds are usually the latter.
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I thought Robinson was more impressive than Ayton and Bamba in McDonalds or some HS all star game a couple of years ago. Super aggressive. Great motor.
I’d try to trade up to get him if he can be gotten in 20’s.
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I like Moe Wagner as the Celtics pick but he's more of a role player off the bench type player rather than a boom or bust guy. He would be a very good fit in Brad's system.
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
Fab Melo (RIP)
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
Fab Melo (RIP)
James Young says hello.
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
Fab Melo (RIP)
James Young says hello.
Does R.J. Hunter count?
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
That's completely false. Giddens was a 4 year college player. He was considered a player with a very low ceiling and was a safe 2nd round pick to maybe develop into a decent bench player. Danny took him way earlier than projected.
A boom or bust project for that draft where Ainge was drafting would have been DeAndre Jordan. Jordan was regarded as ridiculously raw but with a high ceiling but also high chance to never develop.
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The last boom or bust prospect DA took a shot on was JR Giddens
Fab Melo (RIP)
James Young says hello.
Triple J ....says. Hey back
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I Like the duke guards.
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Boom or bust: Isaac Bonga. Crazy upside and already has some nice skills. Not a fabulous athlete but man he just has BBIQ dripping all over the court.
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Just take the best player, which, with Charles Matthews still being undecided about entering the draft, happens to be Rawle Alkins, imo.
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I'm too lazy to look it up, but the Globe thought that Zhaire Smith and Omari Spellman were 2 guys the Celtics should take a hard look at.
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The C's have some salary cap work to do, so its going to get increasingly difficult to give someone a couple of years to develop.
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Those projects rarely ever pan out, 95% of the time they end up busts. I would not mind taking a guy with some years under his belt. Someone who played a few years in college. Someone like Brogdon.
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Mitchell Robinson
Could become our big stopper, offence needs some work, but loves to block shots
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Only way I see him falling to Cs is with poor personal interviews. If that's the case I'm not sure I would want the Cs to take him.
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I'm thinking let's take a shot at a project. I'd take a chance on Austin Wiley or Brandon McCoy. I also would like it if we could pick up Laurynas Birutis from Lithuania as an undrafted FA, or even buy a second round pick to get him.
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Mitchell Robinson
Could become our big stopper, offence needs some work, but loves to block shots
We’d have to throw in a pick to trade up to get him.
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Robinson McCoy Simmons...
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Put me down for Charles Matthews, should he opt to stay in the draft, and Rawle Alkins.
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Robinson would be a great pick for the C's, but as others have mentioned, it's unlikely he's still on the board by the time the C's pick.
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I'd like Mo Wagner. I know he's a 1st round reach but he looks to be a hard worker and I think he could be a good system player. Maybe working with Theis could bring him along.
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how about the draft and stash route again
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I'd like to see them draft Gary Trent Jr.
Great three point shooter with a fantastic work ethic, and I'm greedy, I want more Duke players on the Celtics.
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I'd like to see them draft Gary Trent Jr.
Great three point shooter with a fantastic work ethic, and I'm greedy, I want more Duke players on the Celtics.
They've done pretty well for us so far. Can't complain, but I know tarheels would hate him
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I'd like to see them draft Gary Trent Jr.
Great three point shooter with a fantastic work ethic, and I'm greedy, I want more Duke players on the Celtics.
They've done pretty well for us so far. Can't complain, but I know tarheels would hate him
Yet another reason I'd like to see the C's draft him ;)
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I'd like to see them draft Gary Trent Jr.
Great three point shooter with a fantastic work ethic, and I'm greedy, I want more Duke players on the Celtics.
They've done pretty well for us so far. Can't complain, but I know tarheels would hate him
Yet another reason I'd like to see the C's draft him ;)
Hah. I'd be good with any of the guys developing under Coach K.
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Package our 1st pick with Yabu or Semi to move up in draft to snare Robinson. He’s high risk high reward. Super athletic long shot blocker extraordinaire with high motor. More aggressive than Ayton and Bamba.
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Package our 1st pick with Yabu or Semi to move up in draft to snare Robinson. He’s high risk high reward. Super athletic long shot blocker extraordinaire with high motor. More aggressive than Ayton and Bamba.
semi is a such a bargain contact. You can't move a guy like that
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how about the draft and stash route again
Please god no. Was it not bad enough the first time around? #NeverAgain
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I would spend a 2nd round pick on Kostas Antetokounmpo and then stash him overseas. Based on bloodlines alone, he's got a high ceiling. Bigger guys take longer to develop, but the wait could be worth it.
As you might recall, Marc Gasol was a humble 2nd round draft pick. Marc turned out to be a great NBA player, just a different style of player than his brother Pau.
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We don't have a second round pick.
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how about the draft and stash route again
Please god no. Was it not bad enough the first time around? #NeverAgain
You give up very easily.
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This is the ranking as of yesterday
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Lonnie Walker (Miami)
Gary Trent Jr (duke)
Anfernee Simon (HS)
Troy Brown (Oregon)
Aaron Holiday (UCLA)
Jontay Porter (Missouri)
Omari Spellman (Villanova)
27. Donte DiVincenzo (Villanova)
Jerome Robinson (Boston College)
Jalen Brunson (villanova)
trevon duval (duke)
They have us projected to take Donte Divincenzo from Villanova. His playstyle is compared to Delonte west:
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I would love to trade back, maybe to Orlando and get two early to mid range 2nd rounders. Danny has done a good job managing their contracts. Might could get another set of 2 way players. Im thinking Jabari Bird makes the team and replaces Nader this coming year.
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
After a year on the bench, De'Anthony Melton is a mystery, but it seems like he would have gone much higher if he had a freshman year.
I remember being impressed by Keita Bates-Diop, although I don't remember why. The added bonus, of course, would be hearing Tommy try to pronounce his name. Of course, if that's part of the criteria, a strong case could be made for Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk.
Mike
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
I think given the Celtics salary structure and future lux tax issues it's more important to make sure to try to find someone who projects as a solid rotation player, even if they have a lower ceiling. Filling out the bench with cost controlled, cheap talent is what will help us most.
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This is the ranking as of yesterday
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Lonnie Walker (Miami)
Gary Trent Jr (duke)
Anfernee Simon (HS)
Troy Brown (Oregon)
Aaron Holiday (UCLA)
Jontay Porter (Missouri)
Omari Spellman (Villanova)
27. Donte DiVincenzo (Villanova)
Jerome Robinson (Boston College)
Jalen Brunson (villanova)
trevon duval (duke)
They have us projected to take Donte Divincenzo from Villanova. His playstyle is compared to Delonte west:
He would be a nice fit. He is a winner
reminds me of Josh Hart type player (knows how to win, works hard)
Divincenzo and West might share some similarities. But Divincenzo is much more athletic, stronger, bigger
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
After a year on the bench, De'Anthony Melton is a mystery, but it seems like he would have gone much higher if he had a freshman year.
I remember being impressed by Keita Bates-Diop, although I don't remember why. The added bonus, of course, would be hearing Tommy try to pronounce his name. Of course, if that's part of the criteria, a strong case could be made for Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk.
Mike
Unlikely...Danny these days never aims this way
I bet he will target another Semi
Hardworking, versatile, can make a jump shot, tough
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If (and it’s a big if) Brandon McCoy is available I’d love him. Was talking about him on another thread and he sounds more and more like a Perkins type player - perfect for when Baynes starts to decline with age.
If Mitchell Robinson is there too I’d go for him. He has “Center picked late in the draft who makes everyone regret it” written all over him, like Gobert or Deandre Jordan.
Also really like Troy Brown out of Oregon and Anfernee Simons
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Jontay Porter is a guy I'd be interested in. NBA Draft Net has him going 25th and the Ringer has him going 35th. He's a skilled big guy who is on the young side. He won't turn 19 until Nov 15th. He played well last year and improved during the season.
Here's a scouting report for him.
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/2017/06/jontay-porter.html
The Ringer mock:
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.157006899.967975680.1526422893-1558671775.1522592236
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The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
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The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
His efficiency was also pretty elite.
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This is the ranking as of yesterday
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Lonnie Walker (Miami)
Gary Trent Jr (duke)
Anfernee Simon (HS)
Troy Brown (Oregon)
Aaron Holiday (UCLA)
Jontay Porter (Missouri)
Omari Spellman (Villanova)
27. Donte DiVincenzo (Villanova)
Jerome Robinson (Boston College)
Jalen Brunson (villanova)
trevon duval (duke)
They have us projected to take Donte Divincenzo from Villanova. His playstyle is compared to Delonte west:
Does Divencenzo have to hook up with LeBron's mom?
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The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
His efficiency was also pretty elite.
Granted, this information is coming via a relatively recent and quick google search, lol, but it sounds like his defense is quite poor, so that's not good.
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
I think given the Celtics salary structure and future lux tax issues it's more important to make sure to try to find someone who projects as a solid rotation player, even if they have a lower ceiling. Filling out the bench with cost controlled, cheap talent is what will help us most.
I agree more with mef730. This team already has a depth of talent. A solid rotation player does nothing for this roster, and they certainly do not need multiple picks (somebody suggested trading down for 2 2nd rounders). I see no downside to taking a risk on a guy who could be a star someday. If such a player could be stashed, so much the better. They don't need to pay another guaranteed 1st round contract while trying to re-sign Marcus Smart.
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The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
His efficiency was also pretty elite.
Granted, this information is coming via a relatively recent and quick google search, lol, but it sounds like his defense is quite poor, so that's not good.
If that is true, there is no room for him on this team. Our offense is basically set going forward, we just need role guys who can D up and hit 3s when open. Having a long term off the dribble bench guy would be nice, but not if he gives up as many as he helps get.
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I agree with most that we are best suited to trade the pick or find a draft and stash project. The only exception is if Danny sees a big man who can contribute right away. This would provide us with some insurance if we lose Baynes. It also puts less pressure on Theis to contribute immediately after returning from injury.
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I agree with most that we are best suited to trade the pick or find a draft and stash project. The only exception is if Danny sees a big man who can contribute right away. This would provide us with some insurance if we lose Baynes. It also puts less pressure on Theis to contribute immediately after returning from injury.
Fair enough, but that prospect should be clearly better than Gershon Yabusele, who I think still has a nice upside. It just seems like more bodies are not needed at this point.
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
I think given the Celtics salary structure and future lux tax issues it's more important to make sure to try to find someone who projects as a solid rotation player, even if they have a lower ceiling. Filling out the bench with cost controlled, cheap talent is what will help us most.
I agree more with mef730. This team already has a depth of talent. A solid rotation player does nothing for this roster, and they certainly do not need multiple picks (somebody suggested trading down for 2 2nd rounders). I see no downside to taking a risk on a guy who could be a star someday. If such a player could be stashed, so much the better. They don't need to pay another guaranteed 1st round contract while trying to re-sign Marcus Smart.
Danny still gets crucified here for taking a chance on a risky pick in the 20's. I don't see it happening nor do I see a less than volatile reaction occurring here if he takes a risk. (not that Danny cares what people here think when it comes to drafting).
The roster is fairly set going forward with wings in Brown, Tatum and Hayward. We're likely set at PG with Kyrie and either Smart or Rozier (or both). Frontcourt could get thin on established talent quickly this offseason with only Horford and Morris being the proven big men who we know will be returning. Baynes and Monroe are free agents. Theis had a decent rookie season but has to prove he can be consistent. Yabu and Semi need to improve their games (and neither is really a center).
I would not mind seeing Danny take a shot on a big man who could develop into a decent 4th big off the bench in a year or two. I have no illusions that he'll find a big man that can become better than that at that point in the draft. Not really seeing the need for a PG with Bird and Allen still available on 2-way deals.
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If one of the couple Euro prospects with upside manage to slide, I'd pounce. Otherwise, I'd go with a guy that looks ready to fill an NBA role early rather than a project with more upside. Guys like Diallo might be better prospects, but they sure as hell aren't playing minutes on a contender.
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If one of the couple Euro prospects with upside manage to slide, I'd pounce. Otherwise, I'd go with a guy that looks ready to fill an NBA role early rather than a project with more upside. Guys like Diallo might be better prospects, but they sure as hell aren't playing minutes on a contender.
Is this guy a good Euro stash candidate: RODIONS KURUCS? He looks Gordon Hayward like in highlights.
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If one of the couple Euro prospects with upside manage to slide, I'd pounce. Otherwise, I'd go with a guy that looks ready to fill an NBA role early rather than a project with more upside. Guys like Diallo might be better prospects, but they sure as hell aren't playing minutes on a contender.
Is this guy a good Euro stash candidate: RODIONS KURUCS? He looks Gordon Hayward like in highlights.
I'd be cool with him, as well as Musa is he somehow slid.
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Is the musa guy any good? I see him projected mid 1st
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You need to target a guy with superior physical profile and a strong heart/good peronal , skills can be trained, and cut Larkin/Nader for space if needed to sign some Euro defensive big body for Embiid(or trained Yabu up)
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Been seeing around the web that Robinson and Chandler Hutchison (sp?) likely already have promises
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
his play style reminds me Danny Ainge as a player
Reunites Tatum with a former teammate too
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
his play style reminds me Danny Ainge as a player
Reunites Tatum with a former teammate too
Could you guys see Ainge letting Smart walk if he drafts Allen at 27? I could.
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Yes. Danny always drafts these athletic combo guards to have major depth at the position. Ball handler, wing combo.
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
his play style reminds me Danny Ainge as a player
Reunites Tatum with a former teammate too
Could you guys see Ainge letting Smart walk if he drafts Allen at 27? I could.
yeah i was thinking if either smart walks or rozier gets shipped we try to fill that slot with a guard like Allen or maybe duval if he slides
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The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
The boston college guy looks pretty good
https://youtu.be/4O7xVi0Zykk
His efficiency was also pretty elite.
Granted, this information is coming via a relatively recent and quick google search, lol, but it sounds like his defense is quite poor, so that's not good.
If that is true, there is no room for him on this team. Our offense is basically set going forward, we just need role guys who can D up and hit 3s when open. Having a long term off the dribble bench guy would be nice, but not if he gives up as many as he helps get.
My sentiments exactly, and besides, if any of that is true, he's never even going to get on the court to begin with and would therefore be both a waste of a roster spot and money. We don't need another James Young #NeverAgain.
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
This is very surprising Grayson Allen does not look fast on offense or defense in the games I've watched.
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
This is very surprising Grayson Allen does not look fast on offense or defense in the games I've watched.
we need him
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
This is very surprising Grayson Allen does not look fast on offense or defense in the games I've watched.
we need him
For what?
*trippin* ;D
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Just pick a big for cheap depth.
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How about that DiVincenzo?
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How about that DiVincenzo?
I have a sneaking suspicion he’ll be taken before our pick. Has been killing it at the combine I think I read, and his NCAA tournament performance will have boosted his rankings
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I think we will draft a guard with our pick, someone like this fellows:
Jalen Brunson
Donte DiVincenzo
Landry Shamet
Perhaps, because I think Terry will want to start from this point on and demand a trade. I hope I am wrong though.
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Anyone think we'll draft a euro, draft and stash? Someone like Isaac Bonga, who I've never seen play but read he's a book or bust prospect.
I think Okafor may be a target in FA to be a big off the bench to replace Monroe. Probably cheap contract on a prove it deal. That would mitigate the need to draft a big.
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If we could draft and stash Bonga, that would be a great pick. I don't see the Celtics wanting to pay a guaranteed salary this year.
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Sounds like Grayson Allen had a top 5 all time lane agility time and upper echelon vertical leap at the combine. Starting to think he might have potential. 3 pt shooter, competitive/****, athletic, high BBIQ, versatile ... people are doubting him. Sounds like Danny's type of gamble.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/5/18/17367520/nba-draft-combine-2018-grayson-allen-mohamed-bamba-trae-young
his play style reminds me Danny Ainge as a player
Reunites Tatum with a former teammate too
Could you guys see Ainge letting Smart walk if he drafts Allen at 27? I could.
yeah i was thinking if either smart walks or rozier gets shipped we try to fill that slot with a guard like Allen or maybe duval if he slides
Allen does fill the agitator role
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJBKl4JfyGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGqgApAPCWY
Two guys I'm high on both doing well at the combine.
Really like Carter if we lose Smart. Carter is an awesome defender
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With a pick that late, you have to shoot for the stars, so to speak. Pick the guy who has a 20% chance of being a star and an 80% chance of being a bust.
I think given the Celtics salary structure and future lux tax issues it's more important to make sure to try to find someone who projects as a solid rotation player, even if they have a lower ceiling. Filling out the bench with cost controlled, cheap talent is what will help us most.
I agree more with mef730. This team already has a depth of talent. A solid rotation player does nothing for this roster, and they certainly do not need multiple picks (somebody suggested trading down for 2 2nd rounders). I see no downside to taking a risk on a guy who could be a star someday. If such a player could be stashed, so much the better. They don't need to pay another guaranteed 1st round contract while trying to re-sign Marcus Smart.
Danny still gets crucified here for taking a chance on a risky pick in the 20's. I don't see it happening nor do I see a less than volatile reaction occurring here if he takes a risk. (not that Danny cares what people here think when it comes to drafting).
The roster is fairly set going forward with wings in Brown, Tatum and Hayward. We're likely set at PG with Kyrie and either Smart or Rozier (or both). Frontcourt could get thin on established talent quickly this offseason with only Horford and Morris being the proven big men who we know will be returning. Baynes and Monroe are free agents. Theis had a decent rookie season but has to prove he can be consistent. Yabu and Semi need to improve their games (and neither is really a center).
I would not mind seeing Danny take a shot on a big man who could develop into a decent 4th big off the bench in a year or two. I have no illusions that he'll find a big man that can become better than that at that point in the draft. Not really seeing the need for a PG with Bird and Allen still available on 2-way deals.
You guys are completely missing the boat here. We're not going to be able to keep both. Smart and Rozier. Heck, Rozier is probably gone no matter what, as I don't think he is going to have any desire to stay longer than he has to. Bird and Allen are not NBA level talents, so I don't even consider them viable options.
Finding a backup combo guard and 2/3 type wing is definitely a need (Ojeleye and Yabusele are more small ball 4's). Getting someone who projects as a solid rotation level player for one of those roles will be important given our salary structure.
If I was running things I'd look to trade Rozier for a young big with future potential, re-sign Smart and Baynes, draft a combo guard or wing with our late first, and sign a cheap veteran backup PG.
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If we could draft and stash Bonga, that would be a great pick. I don't see the Celtics wanting to pay a guaranteed salary this year.
That kid is really long, like 6'9" with a 7 foot wingspan, and he's probably not done growing. His shot needs work but he's a good draft and stash guy. If Angie is going to draft and stash he might want to change that 1st rounder into 2 seconds and stash two young guys.
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You guys are completely missing the boat here. We're not going to be able to keep both. Smart and Rozier. Heck, Rozier is probably gone no matter what, as I don't think he is going to have any desire to stay longer than he has to. Bird and Allen are not NBA level talents, so I don't even consider them viable options.
Finding a backup combo guard and 2/3 type wing is definitely a need (Ojeleye and Yabusele are more small ball 4's). Getting someone who projects as a solid rotation level player for one of those roles will be important given our salary structure.
If I was running things I'd look to trade Rozier for a young big with future potential, re-sign Smart and Baynes, draft a combo guard or wing with our late first, and sign a cheap veteran backup PG.
Not everything is about the future. You have one of the best back up point guards in the league on a rookie contract for one more year. A year that we aim to win a championship. In no world should we trade that player for future potential. If he walks next summer, who cares? We have so many avenues to replace him at that point. Worst case we resign him and look to move him later, that's the whole genius of RFA.
A good GM will not panic in these situations thinking he has to get value. More often than people realise the value is keeping that player on the court.
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Pass on Grayson..wont make it in NBA
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Malik Newman, McCoy, or Diallo would be interesting
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You guys are completely missing the boat here. We're not going to be able to keep both. Smart and Rozier. Heck, Rozier is probably gone no matter what, as I don't think he is going to have any desire to stay longer than he has to. Bird and Allen are not NBA level talents, so I don't even consider them viable options.
Finding a backup combo guard and 2/3 type wing is definitely a need (Ojeleye and Yabusele are more small ball 4's). Getting someone who projects as a solid rotation level player for one of those roles will be important given our salary structure.
If I was running things I'd look to trade Rozier for a young big with future potential, re-sign Smart and Baynes, draft a combo guard or wing with our late first, and sign a cheap veteran backup PG.
Not everything is about the future. You have one of the best back up point guards in the league on a rookie contract for one more year. A year that we aim to win a championship. In no world should we trade that player for future potential. If he walks next summer, who cares? We have so many avenues to replace him at that point. Worst case we resign him and look to move him later, that's the whole genius of RFA.
A good GM will not panic in these situations thinking he has to get value. More often than people realise the value is keeping that player on the court.
Amen
If Towns were available for Rozier u would have to think about it
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Wish list at 27:
If Smart and Rozier both back:
1. Bonga
2. Spellman
If one of Smart or Rozier is gone:
1. Khyri Thomas
2. Troy Brown
3. DiVincenzo
4. D. Melton
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Have a feeling the rest of the league takes a closer look at whoever Danny Ainge likes.
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Wish list at 27:
If Smart and Rozier both back:
1. Bonga
2. Spellman
If one of Smart or Rozier is gone:
1. Khyri Thomas
2. Troy Brown
3. DiVincenzo
4. D. Melton
not a big fan of drafting by need
take BPA
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Wish list at 27:
If Smart and Rozier both back:
1. Bonga
2. Spellman
If one of Smart or Rozier is gone:
1. Khyri Thomas
2. Troy Brown
3. DiVincenzo
4. D. Melton
not a big fan of drafting by need
take BPA
I hear ya. just meant to say I like all those guys. Spellman could go in the lower list and Thomas in the first list and I'd be just as happy (on draft night that is)
Jalen Brunson would help the Celtics next year too when guys go out with injuries....or if we lose a guard....looks like one of the most NBA ready picks out there...I'm guessing he's better than Larkin but I don't know.
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Wish list at 27:
If Smart and Rozier both back:
1. Bonga
2. Spellman
If one of Smart or Rozier is gone:
1. Khyri Thomas
2. Troy Brown
3. DiVincenzo
4. D. Melton
not a big fan of drafting by need
take BPA
At the top of the draft, I agree.
But at where we are picking, there is no real BPA unless some projected lottery guy somehow falls deep to us.
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Hearing good things about Khyri Thomas. I also like DiVincenzo but he might go higher after his performance in Vil.
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The Celts have up to four first round picks in the 2019, a draft year that is supposed to be a weaker class than 2018. In addition, Sacramento could get Doncic and, coupled with their young talent, could be a little better. And the lottery rules will lower the likelihood that picks move up in the draft. So let's say the Kings pick is #5-7. Who do you get in 2019 that will impact your team? And what value, even if it conveys, is the Clippers pick at #15? And what about the Celts at about #30? Not much value for the Celts, and not much value in a trade for an impact player. If fact, you might just end up saddled with a guaranteed contract on a guy who doesn't help much for, at a minimum, several years. When you are in the luxury tax, that actually is counterproductive rather than helpful.
With the way their roster is constructed, the Celts need a few second round picks so they can get non-guaranteed contracts rather than late first round picks and ideally they'd get one more impact player from the draft within the next two years. I think the Sacramento pick in a weak 2019 draft year is unlikely to accomplish this. The pick that has, in my opinion, the highest "upside" is the Memphis pick (We should all hope that Memphis really sucks, their pick does not convey, and becomes unprotected or high lottery in about two years). The Memphis pick is the one we should hold on to.
If my logic is correct, the time to maximize these assets is this year. Package these picks, excluding Memphis, with Rozier and move up this year. The 2018 draft is deep through about 10-12 picks, and get a young big who can complete this roster. The most obtainable target is Bamba or Carter (you won't be able to get high enough for Jackson Jr.). Lets go; make the move Danny.
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The Celts have up to four first round picks in the 2019, a draft year that is supposed to be a weaker class than 2018. In addition, Sacramento could get Doncic and, coupled with their young talent, could be a little better. And the lottery rules will lower the likelihood that picks move up in the draft. So let's say the Kings pick is #5-7. Who do you get in 2019 that will impact your team? And what value, even if it conveys, is the Clippers pick at #15? And what about the Celts at about #30? Not much value for the Celts, and not much value in a trade for an impact player. If fact, you might just end up saddled with a guaranteed contract on a guy who doesn't help much for, at a minimum, several years. When you are in the luxury tax, that actually is counterproductive rather than helpful.
With the way their roster is constructed, the Celts need a few second round picks so they can get non-guaranteed contracts rather than late first round picks and ideally they'd get one more impact player from the draft within the next two years. I think the Sacramento pick in a weak 2019 draft year is unlikely to accomplish this. The pick that has, in my opinion, the highest "upside" is the Memphis pick (We should all hope that Memphis really sucks, their pick does not convey, and becomes unprotected or high lottery in about two years). The Memphis pick is the one we should hold on to.
If my logic is correct, the time to maximize these assets is this year. Package these picks, excluding Memphis, with Rozier and move up this year. The 2018 draft is deep through about 10-12 picks, and get a young big who can complete this roster. The most obtainable target is Bamba or Carter (you won't be able to get high enough for Jackson Jr.). Lets go; make the move Danny.
How can 2019 be projected as a weak draft class this early?
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Yeah its ridiculous to call 2019 weak this early
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I do not want boom or bust, I would rather have another serviceable player in the Ojeleye mold.
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I do not want boom or bust, I would rather have another serviceable player in the Ojeleye mold.
A solid defender that can shoot would be really good.
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Divicenzo or Spellman
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The Celts have up to four first round picks in the 2019, a draft year that is supposed to be a weaker class than 2018. In addition, Sacramento could get Doncic and, coupled with their young talent, could be a little better. And the lottery rules will lower the likelihood that picks move up in the draft. So let's say the Kings pick is #5-7. Who do you get in 2019 that will impact your team? And what value, even if it conveys, is the Clippers pick at #15? And what about the Celts at about #30? Not much value for the Celts, and not much value in a trade for an impact player. If fact, you might just end up saddled with a guaranteed contract on a guy who doesn't help much for, at a minimum, several years. When you are in the luxury tax, that actually is counterproductive rather than helpful.
With the way their roster is constructed, the Celts need a few second round picks so they can get non-guaranteed contracts rather than late first round picks and ideally they'd get one more impact player from the draft within the next two years. I think the Sacramento pick in a weak 2019 draft year is unlikely to accomplish this. The pick that has, in my opinion, the highest "upside" is the Memphis pick (We should all hope that Memphis really sucks, their pick does not convey, and becomes unprotected or high lottery in about two years). The Memphis pick is the one we should hold on to.
If my logic is correct, the time to maximize these assets is this year. Package these picks, excluding Memphis, with Rozier and move up this year. The 2018 draft is deep through about 10-12 picks, and get a young big who can complete this roster. The most obtainable target is Bamba or Carter (you won't be able to get high enough for Jackson Jr.). Lets go; make the move Danny.
How can 2019 be projected as a weak draft class this early?
Magic 8 balls. All the Projection Pros use them...
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Yeah its ridiculous to call 2019 weak this early
Yep too early!