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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on December 02, 2017, 08:25:50 PM
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2016 draft - Celtics pick Brown.... Boooos from Celtics fans attending the draft. More than half the Celts nation stunned with the pick
2017 draft - Celtics trade the #1 pick (Fultz). Celtics fans puking all over the place. Celtics pick Tatum
Danny is a genius. Glad he is the GM. Another stellar performance by these two young guns. Celtics have the brightest future out of any other team in the league.
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Interesting seeing a game vs the Suns where Bender/Chriss could have been the pick over Brown and Jackson could have been the pick over Tatum. Those guys don't look particularly horrible, but it looks like having the 3rd pick the last two years (instead of the 4th) actually was an advantage as I certainly wouldn't trade our guys for theirs...good job, Danny!
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Interesting seeing a game vs the Suns where Bender/Chriss could have been the pick over Brown and Jackson could have been the pick over Tatum. Those guys don't look particularly horrible, but it looks like having the 3rd pick the last two years (instead of the 4th) actually was an advantage as I certainly wouldn't trade our guys for theirs...good job, Danny!
Exactly
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
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Lots of fun to watch those two.
I'm wondering when they'll give a Tatum a game where they really go to him for offense early on and see what he does with it. He's done amazingly well contributing with a "take it comes" scoring diet. We've seen what he do in the 4th when they feed him.
He was the catalyst on both ends when the game on the line today.
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That’s why they’re trouble 07
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
Stevens and the winning environment are a very important part of this. I bet a few of the Suns’ lottery picks would be looking a lot better if they were drafted by the Celtics. And someone like Jalen Brown would probably look worse on the Suns.
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2016 draft - Celtics pick Brown.... Boooos from Celtics fans attending the draft. More than half the Celts nation stunned with the pick
2017 draft - Celtics trade the #1 pick (Fultz). Celtics fans puking all over the place. Celtics pick Tatum
Danny is a genius. Glad he is the GM. Another stellar performance by these two young guns. Celtics have the brightest future out of any other team in the league.
Ah, yes. And even more than that. They're able to play around 2 all stars, learning roles and not having pressure to create crazy plays on sucky teams. That's huge. They can learn defense, and how to find their spots without having to force anything. Has to be the best scenario for a player to develop.
Meanwhile, NBA radio on XM feature a discussion of "teams of the future." Couldn't deny the C's a place of honor in that category, but were stumped because the team is also a win-now team. This idea of super talented top picks playing as role players is novel.
Props to Danny. This might be the best rebuild process ever.
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By the way, isn't it even crazier now that Josh Jackson refused to work out for the celtics? How idiotic does it look now? Tatum, assuming good health an continued progression, probably could get a contract where ever he wants when he's a free agent. Josh Jackson was worried about playing time and fit if he were drafted by the Celtics? I just don't get these decisions sometimes.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
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By the way, isn't it even crazier now that Josh Jackson refused to work out for the celtics? How idiotic does it look now? Tatum, assuming good health an continued progression, probably could get a contract where ever he wants when he's a free agent. Josh Jackson was worried about playing time and fit if he were drafted by the Celtics? I just don't get these decisions sometimes.
He was scared. We dont want scardy cats
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By the way, isn't it even crazier now that Josh Jackson refused to work out for the celtics? How idiotic does it look now? Tatum, assuming good health an continued progression, probably could get a contract where ever he wants when he's a free agent. Josh Jackson was worried about playing time and fit if he were drafted by the Celtics? I just don't get these decisions sometimes.
what's funny is - Tatum is starting and ROY runner up because of his minutes, while josh comes off the bench for a terrible suns team and isn't even top 10 in rookie rankings
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
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Danny is a genius. Glad he is the GM. Another stellar performance by these two young guns. Celtics have the brightest future out of any other team in the league
Agree, TP.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
With Olynyk over Giannis-A and Smart over the Balcanic players, Ainge learned a lesson. Go for what you feel instead of the safest picks.
So he chose Rozier, Brown and Tatum afterwards.
He can't be perfect :laugh:
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
That's not a game that is fairly played. Every draft there are guys taken late that are better than guys taken early. That means every GM, but one (and sometimes him too), skipped on that player because of workouts, concerns, performance, etc.
Sometimes guys just end up being good in spite of every scouts information of them before the draft. Some of those on the list are outliers.
A better question to ask is how Marcus has performed compared to other 6th picks.
Here is an article with the estimated values of draft picks.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/index616a.html?p=2740
Here are Marcus' stats.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
Marcus is on pace to finish at 13 win shares by the end of his rookie contract, and the estimated win shares for a sixth pick over his rookie contract is 15. He's been a good not great pick.
By the way, I'd take Marcus over Payton, Nurkic, Lavine, Warren, Dinwiddie, Clarkson, Randle, and Hood today, and I'd definitely take him over those guys in a 7 game playoff series.
Harris, Capella, and Jokic are the only ones that I'd probably take over Marcus today, but no one thought those three would be as good as they are today. NBAdraft.net projected Capella as Ian Mahinmi, Harris was OJ Mayo, and Jokic was Vucevic. I don't respect NBAdraft.net a lot, but these were the most positive takes on these guys. There's a reason they were drafted later.
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Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
Not interested in any of these over Smart. Except perhaps Jokic.
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smart has turned into a rotation role-player which is what you should hope for at the minimum with a top 5 pick.
But, Jaylen and tatum were too great choices. Jaylen brown pick was panned at the time...but the kid has a hard work ethic and has improved every area of his game. if he keeps it up I expect another large jump next year.
and Tatum clearly so far is better than the 2 drafted ahead of him. same as jaylen has a strong work ethic and should improve. but at 19 the kid is already a rotation level Small forward averagine 13-15ppg. he is going to be special in a year
we may not win a championship this year, but the way danny has set up the team with the draft picks and free agents...we are looking at a starting lineup next year of Kyrie/brown/hayward/tatum/horford....and that is with another year of brown/tatum development....that lineup could potentially be Golden state good.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
That's not a game that is fairly played. Every draft there are guys taken late that are better than guys taken early. That means every GM, but one (and sometimes him too), skipped on that player because of workouts, concerns, performance, etc.
Sometimes guys just end up being good in spite of every scouts information of them before the draft. Some of those on the list are outliers.
A better question to ask is how Marcus has performed compared to other 6th picks.
Here is an article with the estimated values of draft picks.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/index616a.html?p=2740
Here are Marcus' stats.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
Marcus is on pace to finish at 13 win shares by the end of his rookie contract, and the estimated win shares for a sixth pick over his rookie contract is 15. He's been a good not great pick.
By the way, I'd take Marcus over Payton, Nurkic, Lavine, Warren, Dinwiddie, Clarkson, Randle, and Hood today, and I'd definitely take him over those guys in a 7 game playoff series.
Harris, Capella, and Jokic are the only ones that I'd probably take over Marcus today, but no one thought those three would be as good as they are today. NBAdraft.net projected Capella as Ian Mahinmi, Harris was OJ Mayo, and Jokic was Vucevic. I don't respect NBAdraft.net a lot, but these were the most positive takes on these guys. There's a reason they were drafted later.
I had to chuckle. Win shares? Really? Don't role-players on every winning team have inflated WIN shares? Kelly Olynyk - for example - had more win shares (14.6) than your generous projection of 13 for Smart at the end of his rookie contract (12 is more realistic). Are you arguing Kelly Olynyk deserved to be the 6th overall pick?
No, the important thing for you to realize is that Brad Stevens has a way of maximizing the talent of career Role-Players (ie Marcus Smart), and Marcus Smart happened to play with, Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford, and then Kyrie Irving all in their primes which lead the team to more wins and hence a trickle-down effect of more win shares for the middle class players like Smart.
This is literally the only example in history where trickle-down actually worked for any middle class.
Thus endeth the lesson.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
Yeah, you’re misunderstanding the point. BEFORE the draft smart was the consensus pick (more or less). Can’t play the game after the fact.
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
If Tatum turns into the type of player he looks like he might be (perennial All-Star, maybe All NBA) and the Celtics get a top-5 pick from the Lakers/Sacramento pick, that trade down from #1 will be the greatest move of his career, eclipsing the Brooklyn trade.
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
If Tatum turns into the type of player he looks like he might be (perennial All-Star, maybe All NBA) and the Celtics get a top-5 pick from the Lakers/Sacramento pick, that trade down from #1 will be the greatest move of his career, eclipsing the Brooklyn trade.
But but but...the Tatum trade wouldn’t have been possible without the BKN trade (which wouldn’t have been possible without the original KG trade, etc :P ) So BKN trade will forever win out!
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
If Tatum turns into the type of player he looks like he might be (perennial All-Star, maybe All NBA) and the Celtics get a top-5 pick from the Lakers/Sacramento pick, that trade down from #1 will be the greatest move of his career, eclipsing the Brooklyn trade.
I think the Brooklyn trade itself could honestly be impossible to top... Lol. He got Jaylen Brown, and Tatum along with Irving from Garnett, Pierce, and Terry. Amazing.
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
If Tatum turns into the type of player he looks like he might be (perennial All-Star, maybe All NBA) and the Celtics get a top-5 pick from the Lakers/Sacramento pick, that trade down from #1 will be the greatest move of his career, eclipsing the Brooklyn trade.
I think the Brooklyn trade itself could honestly be impossible to top... Lol. He got Jaylen Brown, and Tatum along with Irving from Garnett, Pierce, and Terry. Amazing.
The result of the Brooklyn trade was lucky, let's be honest. When that trade was made it was actually controversial given the contracts Boston took back and the likelihood that Brooklyn would be a playoff team for the next few years. I am not downplaying that move at all but there were a lot of ways that could have turned out.
The trade down to get Tatum was driven by scouting of the talent at the top of the draft. He was Danny's #1 choice. To make that trade, pick a non-consensus player at #3 who now looks like the best player in his class, and get a possible top-5 pick is GM/scouting skill at its finest.
That's why it will go down as his greatest move, if it plays out.
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
Yeah, you’re misunderstanding the point. BEFORE the draft smart was the consensus pick (more or less). Can’t play the game after the fact.
I see your point, if we pretend there were only six players available in that draft then Smart was the consensus number 6 pick.
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Danny is a genius. Glad he is the GM. Another stellar performance by these two young guns. Celtics have the brightest future out of any other team in the league.
TP
DA is a great man who works tirelessly and does things the right way. His work has been, and will continue to payoff. Coach Stevens is a great fit in Boston. The Celtics are in good hands to say the least.
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Lots of people seem to forget that the Brooklyn deal ain't done just yet...Let's see where this pick we got from Philly ends up.
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I've always trusted Danny, so I don't overreact to his moves. If you think about it, most of his major recent moves have been unpopular at first.
- The PP & KG trade was a major gutpunch because every C's fan loved them, but without it we obviously wouldn't be where we are today. Among the biggest trade heists of all time.
- Hiring of Brad Stevens. Danny made this hiring relatively quickly after Doc left, leaving many surprised. Most were lukewarm on this move at best.
- The Rondo trade was unpopular by many here, including myself. The return seemed underwhelming at first, but it turned out to be a good move.
- I thought Danny would draft Dunn. I was happy with Brown and didn't understand the negative reaction.
- This place was going berserk when we traded down from #1 to select Tatum.
- The Kyrie trade was understandably unpopular. I loved IT as much as anyone but it was a good move, despite a very high cost.
I was as nervous as anyone about most of these moves, but at the end of the day didn't fret and just trusted that Danny knew what he was doing. Turns out that he came out on top in most cases. I don't think there's a GM in the league that does a better job of creating value with his moves.
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I gotta admit though that I get a kick out of overreactions, both here and other fansites. I recall one poster writing an expletive containing post that went something like "Oh great, Danny just drafted a fat chucker that I've never heard of" when we selected Yabusele. Now granted Yabu hasn't done anything yet, but I don't get the point of criticizing a player whom you've never watched before and hadn't even put on a C's jersey yet.
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I gotta admit though that I get a kick out of overreactions, both here and other fansites. I recall one poster writing an expletive containing post that went something like "Oh great, Danny just drafted a fat chucker that I've never heard of" when we selected Yabusele. Now granted Yabu hasn't done anything yet, but I don't get the point of criticizing a player whom you've never watched before and hadn't even put on a C's jersey yet.
yabu has work to do. He needs to lose 10 pounds. He is not fat, but needs to slim down a little, that should help with his lateral quickness.
Danny tends to take chances with picks around #14
Avery Bradley panned out. But James young did not. Yabu still a wait and see
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I also feel a lot is their mature/intelligent personalities, coupled with a winning environment.
I absolutely agree that is has a lot to do with how mature they seem.
Marcus in hindsight looks like a strange pick. He was volatile in college. Perhaps Danny saw something else in Marcus.
marcus smart was the consensus #6 pick. After him and randle the pickings were slim
Looking back, danny did well. No one except Gary Harris and maybe Rodney Hood, capela broke out. That draft was top heavy and smart was a great pick compared to vonleh/stauskas/mcbuckets and the other lotto guys
Eh, Smart was an alright pick at best.
Nikola Jokic, Jusuf Nurkic, Elfrid Peyton, Zach Lavine, Dario Saric, TJ Warren, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jordan Clarckson, and the aforementioned Harris, Capela, and Hood all went after Smart in that draft.
so did Randle. Not saying all of those guys would go ahead of Smart in a redraft, but in said redraft he probably goes around 10 which isn't exactly great value for a 6th pick.
And Smart wasn't a consensus 6 pick at all. Even the day of the draft people felt Randle might have been the better selection (some mocks even had Vonleh to Boston or earlier with one of the other players dropping to the C's).
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While I am pleasantly surprised with Brown's development and Tatum's athleticism and quickness, which were my primary concerns with the latter at the time of the draft, I must ask - is there a worse passing sg/sf combination in the league, lol? I realize that that's not their role as of right now, but for two starters playing at 30+ mpg every night, their combined apg of 2.7 and tpg of 2.9 is shockingly bad, imo.
That's not to say that everyone has to be Rondo, but I find their lack of passing to be quite concerning, all the same, even though they're obviously both young guys, but I'm weird, so...
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While I am pleasantly surprised with Brown's development and Tatum's athleticism and quickness, which were my primary concerns with the latter at the time of the draft, I must ask - is there a worse passing sg/sf combination in the league, lol? I realize that that's not their role as of right now, but for two starters playing at 30+ mpg every night, their combined apg of 2.7 and tpg of 2.9 is shockingly bad, imo.
That's not to say that everyone has to be Rondo, but I find their lack of passing to be quite concerning, all the same, even though they're obviously both young guys, but I'm weird, so...
I’m not an advanced stats guy, but I would wager to guess Brown touches the ball more than Tatum on average. I think Tatum’s numbers will go up as the season progresses and it becomes obvious that he needs to be more than our fifth option among the starters.
Brown is feast or famine.
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While I am pleasantly surprised with Brown's development and Tatum's athleticism and quickness, which were my primary concerns with the latter at the time of the draft, I must ask - is there a worse passing sg/sf combination in the league, lol? I realize that that's not their role as of right now, but for two starters playing at 30+ mpg every night, their combined apg of 2.7 and tpg of 2.9 is shockingly bad, imo.
That's not to say that everyone has to be Rondo, but I find their lack of passing to be quite concerning, all the same, even though they're obviously both young guys, but I'm weird, so...
With an increased role in the offense (in terms of creating for others) I expect both would hover around 3.5 apg. While that isn't great, that's passable. I would be more concerned if they looked like they are unable to make the proper pass, which is far from the case. Both of these young guys look both capable and willing to pass to the open player.
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While I am pleasantly surprised with Brown's development and Tatum's athleticism and quickness, which were my primary concerns with the latter at the time of the draft, I must ask - is there a worse passing sg/sf combination in the league, lol? I realize that that's not their role as of right now, but for two starters playing at 30+ mpg every night, their combined apg of 2.7 and tpg of 2.9 is shockingly bad, imo.
That's not to say that everyone has to be Rondo, but I find their lack of passing to be quite concerning, all the same, even though they're obviously both young guys, but I'm weird, so...
I’m not an advanced stats guy, but I would wager to guess Brown touches the ball more than Tatum on average. I think Tatum’s numbers will go up as the season progresses and it becomes obvious that he needs to be more than our fifth option among the starters.
Brown is feast or famine.
I've watched their passing a lot as of late and both seem to make the right pass when given the opportunity and both seem quite accurate with their passes, as well. This is especially noticeable in transition.
The thing about our team is that everything goes through Al and Irving - like everything - so when Brown or Tatum get the ball, it is either in the middle of swinging it around to the next open man or [more commonly] as the player who eventually takes the shot. Both of them often get the ball in the corner and either have the open 3 or drive it to the hoop.
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I've always trusted Danny, so I don't overreact to his moves. If you think about it, most of his major recent moves have been unpopular at first.
- The PP & KG trade was a major gutpunch because every C's fan loved them, but without it we obviously wouldn't be where we are today. Among the biggest trade heists of all time.
- Hiring of Brad Stevens. Danny made this hiring relatively quickly after Doc left, leaving many surprised. Most were lukewarm on this move at best.
- The Rondo trade was unpopular by many here, including myself. The return seemed underwhelming at first, but it turned out to be a good move.
- I thought Danny would draft Dunn. I was happy with Brown and didn't understand the negative reaction.
- This place was going berserk when we traded down from #1 to select Tatum.
- The Kyrie trade was understandably unpopular. I loved IT as much as anyone but it was a good move, despite a very high cost.
I was as nervous as anyone about most of these moves, but at the end of the day didn't fret and just trusted that Danny knew what he was doing. Turns out that he came out on top in most cases. I don't think there's a GM in the league that does a better job of creating value with his moves.
Avery's second contract was WIDELY panned at the time.. (and speaking of contracts, Jae Crowder's long term deal was incredible.
I also freaked out when I heard the Avery return, but that has turned out OK. I'm not really the biggest fan of Marcus Morris - but I like his contract (both $, and length). Not to mention he really does play consistently good defense. Just wish he wasn't such a curmudgeon...
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I've always trusted Danny, so I don't overreact to his moves. If you think about it, most of his major recent moves have been unpopular at first.
- The PP & KG trade was a major gutpunch because every C's fan loved them, but without it we obviously wouldn't be where we are today. Among the biggest trade heists of all time.
- Hiring of Brad Stevens. Danny made this hiring relatively quickly after Doc left, leaving many surprised. Most were lukewarm on this move at best.
- The Rondo trade was unpopular by many here, including myself. The return seemed underwhelming at first, but it turned out to be a good move.
- I thought Danny would draft Dunn. I was happy with Brown and didn't understand the negative reaction.
- This place was going berserk when we traded down from #1 to select Tatum.
- The Kyrie trade was understandably unpopular. I loved IT as much as anyone but it was a good move, despite a very high cost.
I was as nervous as anyone about most of these moves, but at the end of the day didn't fret and just trusted that Danny knew what he was doing. Turns out that he came out on top in most cases. I don't think there's a GM in the league that does a better job of creating value with his moves.
For the record, I fully supported everyone of those moves. Okay, no one really knew what we’d get with the Stevens hire but I had no problems with it. All the others I thought were good to great moves when I heard them.
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Danny has gotten a lot of grief on this site for his drafting acumen, but he really has hit on his top 6 picks with Smart, Brown and Tatum. I think this goes a long way to explaining that your draft record definitely correlates to where you are picking.
That said, Danny was brilliant in trading down for Tatum while getting another, most probable, lottery pick while landing the best player in the draft. I think the last couple of years has shown that his ability to recognize talent is pretty awesome.
If Tatum turns into the type of player he looks like he might be (perennial All-Star, maybe All NBA) and the Celtics get a top-5 pick from the Lakers/Sacramento pick, that trade down from #1 will be the greatest move of his career, eclipsing the Brooklyn trade.
But but but...the Tatum trade wouldn’t have been possible without the BKN trade (which wouldn’t have been possible without the original KG trade, etc :P ) So BKN trade will forever win out!
I understand what you mean, but at the same time with using that line of thinking, wouldn't the original KG trade trump all? That trade helped bring a title, which later turned into the Brooklyn trade, where Danny would draft one bust, Smart, Brown, Tatum and an eventual 2018/2019 pick.
If I'm ranking those 3 trades, it would be KG, Tatum/Lakers pick, and then Brooklyn. Some luck is going to be involved in the Lakers pick, but the Brooklyn trade was all luck. When that trade was originally made, I was thinking those picks would be in the 20's. I thought KG and Pierce would play a role in bringing a winning culture to that franchise, which would have lead to free agents wanting to go there to win. However, Brooklyn decided it was a good idea to add a former player, with no coaching experience, to be their new head coach. From afar, it looked like no one wanted to be there in Brooklyn that season.