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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on April 19, 2018, 10:19:15 PM
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Pop
Kerr
Stevens
D'Antoni?
I'm not a big fan of the latter, but who else deserves recognition for being the on the Mount Rushmore of coaches.
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Current, I assume?
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People seem to like Spoelstra. Snyder is pretty good, I guess.
Pop and Stevens are for sure top 2 - no bias here! ;)
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How come Phil Jackson isn't on this lol
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How come Phil Jackson isn't on this lol
It's not a list of luckiest coaches...
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Current, I assume?
Yes you are correct. And I do like Utah's coach.
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Stevens
Coach k
Spoelsta
Lebron
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Current, I assume?
Yes you are correct. And I do like Utah's coach.
In that case
Stevens
Pop
Coach K
Geno Auriemma or D'Antoni
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Pop
Snyder
McMillan
Stevens
Honorable Mention: Spoelstra, Casey
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I think it’s clear who the top three are:
Popovich
Stevens
Spoelstra
In that order. I was never the biggest fan of Spo but now I’m convinced, he’s legit.
As for the fourth? I’ve been impressed with McMillan the most, and he’s been around awhile. Sorry but D’Antoni (we’ve seen this rodeo before, we know how it ends) and Kerr (anyone can coach that group, even Luke Walton and MIKE freaking BROWN!!) don't impress me much.
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The top four:
Stevens
Snyder
Carlisle
Pop
The elite tier below:
Spoelstra
Kerr
D'Antoni
Stotts
They might be better but it is hard to tell;
(with their current crappy squad or little track record)
Walton
Atkinson
Brett Brown
Joe Prunty - just kidding, Hoiberg
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Spoelstra has more a of a rep because of his past players. But in all honesty, he did not have control over the team during the LeBron years and lost the locker room several times. But folks here love to the drink the latest greatest kool-aid or whomever the league is marketing at the time.
John Wooden
Red Auerbach
Geno Auriemma
Can't decide on a fourth.
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Spoelstra has more a of a rep because of his past players. But in all honesty, he did not have control over the team during the LeBron years and lost the locker room several times. But folks here love to the drink the latest greatest kool-aid or whomever the league is marketing at the time.
John Wooden
Red Auerbach
Geno Auriemma
Can't decide on a fourth.
Pat Summit
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Spoelstra has more a of a rep because of his past players. But in all honesty, he did not have control over the team during the LeBron years and lost the locker room several times. But folks here love to the drink the latest greatest kool-aid or whomever the league is marketing at the time.
John Wooden
Red Auerbach
Geno Auriemma
Can't decide on a fourth.
OP did specify current, hence the perceived bias to current coaches
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CBS
POP
Thibs
Carlisle
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Stevens
Coach K
Kerr
Dwayne Casey
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No Popovich?
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I love Steve Kerr, but I have a funny feeling that he will be a top-tier coach as long as he is coaching 2 MVPs and 4 Allstars. Translation: just about any coach would look good with that squad. Frank Vogel would be known as a shrewd strategist, Steve Clifford would show everyone his lucidness.
It reminds me a bit of how Russell was a great coach as long as he was a player-coach.
I repeat, I love Steve.
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Coaching jobs this year:
Stevens
Casey
Brown
Pop
in probably roughly that order.
Best coaches overall? In no order
Pop
Stevens
Snyder
D'Antoni
with Spoelstra and Brown close behind.
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I love Steve Kerr, but I have a funny feeling that he will be a top-tier coach as long as he is coaching 2 MVPs and 4 Allstars. Translation: just about any coach would look good with that squad. Frank Vogel would be known as a shrewd strategist, Steve Clifford would show everyone his lucidness.
It reminds me a bit of how Russell was a great coach as long as he was a player-coach.
I repeat, I love Steve.
under Mark Jackson the Warriors won 51 games, but lost in the 1st round. They replaced Jackson with Kerr, they won 67 games and the NBA title the next season. They followed that up with the 73 win season and then another 67 win title season.
Obviously it is easier to win and win a lot when you have elite talent, but when you take basically the same team that lost in the 1st round and improve it 16 wins and win the title, you are a better coach than your predecessor.
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I love Steve Kerr, but I have a funny feeling that he will be a top-tier coach as long as he is coaching 2 MVPs and 4 Allstars. Translation: just about any coach would look good with that squad. Frank Vogel would be known as a shrewd strategist, Steve Clifford would show everyone his lucidness.
It reminds me a bit of how Russell was a great coach as long as he was a player-coach.
I repeat, I love Steve.
under Mark Jackson the Warriors won 51 games, but lost in the 1st round. They replaced Jackson with Kerr, they won 67 games and the NBA title the next season. They followed that up with the 73 win season and then another 67 win title season.
Obviously it is easier to win and win a lot when you have elite talent, but when you take basically the same team that lost in the 1st round and improve it 16 wins and win the title, you are a better coach than your predecessor.
I have put Kerr in the 5-8 tier. I rate him pretty high. Check it out on the 1st page.
I wiew your arguments more as Mark Jacksons faliure.
Taking his team to church...spare us Mark.
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I love Steve Kerr, but I have a funny feeling that he will be a top-tier coach as long as he is coaching 2 MVPs and 4 Allstars. Translation: just about any coach would look good with that squad. Frank Vogel would be known as a shrewd strategist, Steve Clifford would show everyone his lucidness.
It reminds me a bit of how Russell was a great coach as long as he was a player-coach.
I repeat, I love Steve.
under Mark Jackson the Warriors won 51 games, but lost in the 1st round. They replaced Jackson with Kerr, they won 67 games and the NBA title the next season. They followed that up with the 73 win season and then another 67 win title season.
Obviously it is easier to win and win a lot when you have elite talent, but when you take basically the same team that lost in the 1st round and improve it 16 wins and win the title, you are a better coach than your predecessor.
That's not a very good argument to make in my opinion in this particular case just because Golden State was filled with very young players who'd make leaps each year. Now Mark Jackson did some really good things there, and he was fired for non-basketball related reasons pretty much (though those reasons could affect performance as well).
Now, I do think Kerr is quite the better coach, but the whole argument of "basically the same team" is a bit lost on me when considering a young roster which is including breakout performances from an MVP caliber player (which may or may not have been aided by the coaching, who knows... let's not forget the performance under Luke Walton).
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I love Steve Kerr, but I have a funny feeling that he will be a top-tier coach as long as he is coaching 2 MVPs and 4 Allstars. Translation: just about any coach would look good with that squad. Frank Vogel would be known as a shrewd strategist, Steve Clifford would show everyone his lucidness.
It reminds me a bit of how Russell was a great coach as long as he was a player-coach.
I repeat, I love Steve.
under Mark Jackson the Warriors won 51 games, but lost in the 1st round. They replaced Jackson with Kerr, they won 67 games and the NBA title the next season. They followed that up with the 73 win season and then another 67 win title season.
Obviously it is easier to win and win a lot when you have elite talent, but when you take basically the same team that lost in the 1st round and improve it 16 wins and win the title, you are a better coach than your predecessor.
That's a bit of an inaccurate way to look at it.
Draymond went from a decent bench big to one of the most impacting players in the league.
They added Iggy and Shaun Livingston, one of whom went on to be the Finals MVP that year. Klay Thompson also improved a decent amount on the offensive end.
Then in the 73 win year they had Curry playing absolutely out of his mind. So to say it was 'basically the same team' is incredibly false
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CBS
POP
Thibs
Carlisle
I'd argue at this point that Thibs is overall a bad head coach and the Wolves would be better off without him.
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Pop
Kerr
Stevens
D'Antoni?
I'm not a big fan of the latter, but who else deserves recognition for being the on the Mount Rushmore of coaches.
Pop, Stevens, Casey and Kerr
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Popovich
Carlisle
Spoelstra
Stevens
I guess I'm not surprised that no one else mentioned Carlisle but I think he's incredible. He just hasn't had the players that other good coaches have had.
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No Popovich?
Overrated.
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No Popovich?
Overrated.
As over rated as Bill Belichick.
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Brad
Pop
Spo
Snyder
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No Popovich?
Overrated.
As over rated as Bill Belichick.
Both are similar in that both of them needed their star players far more than the players needed them. Both are exceptionally lucky to have ended up with those players. Both were nothing special till they got those players. Both did very well with those players.
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At this point the question probably shouldn't be whether Stevens is the best coach in the league but by how many magnitudes.
For comparison.....Popovich.....loses Duncan. Loses Kawhi.....can't win a thing.
Stevens loses an all star. Loses another all star. Loses Smart for most of a series. Loses Theis. Loses Jaylen for game one.....and he's just like "Hold my beer."
Pops couldn't coach his way out of a bag next to Stevens.
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Brad Stevens obviously should win COTY, but NBA will find a way to give it to Brett Brown who got blown out in Game 1 of the East Semis tonight after practically getting a week off.
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They can't give it to Stevens because he'd take the trophy and be like "Kinda a participation trophy isn't it? I mean you did give one of these to Doc didn't you?"
And then it'll be on eBay like 5 minutes later.
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Brad Stevens obviously should win COTY, but NBA will find a way to give it to Brett Brown who got blown out in Game 1 of the East Semis tonight after practically getting a week off.
the week off probably hurt them, especially their shooting rythym. Hence 5 of 26
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Brad Stevens obviously should win COTY, but NBA will find a way to give it to Brett Brown who got blown out in Game 1 of the East Semis tonight after practically getting a week off.
the week off probably hurt them, especially their shooting rythym. Hence 5 of 26
Probably shouldn't base the award on 1 game, either.
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CBS
POP
Thibs
Carlisle
i ll agree here ^
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Where be all d luv n for Doc ?
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It’s an abomination that Snyder has only been mentioned 2 or 3 times on this thread IMO.
Outside of Brad or Pop Who does more with less than Snyder? He replaced Hayward with a rookie and they are doing better this year. Guy is definitely up there.
Brad
Pop
Snyder
Kerr
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I like dat coach for Nets ...
He has alot of the riight stuff to take a team to the playoffs.
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I like dat coach for Nets ...
He has alot of the riight stuff to take a team to the playoffs.
yeah.. . US!
:D
jokes aside, I think you're right about Atkinson. He's got a good system and has shown the ability to get a lot out of his players.
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CBS
Pop
Coach K (not NBA, but is a coach in Basketball)
Snyder
Honorable Mention: Atkinson, Carlisle, Stotts, D'Antoni, Thibs, Kerr
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In no particular order
Coaches that have won it all:
Pop
Carlisle
Spoelstra
Doc
Coaches that haven't:
Stevens
Snyder
Brown
Thibs