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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on October 09, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
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Just Feel like Horford would need to stay. The staring five is better and more balanced with Al. We could literally give them Hayward and 4 or 5 firsts if we really wanted. Who could even beat that offer.
Horford
Davis
Tatum
Brown
Irving
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Where is the neither option.
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I'd rather move Horford, as I think it suits the timeline better to keep Hayward and I plain think he will be a better player for longer than Horford will be, but I don't necessarily think either are necessary to move for Davis
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I guess I'd wait a year and see how everyone was looking.
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Since contracts matter, I believe Horford will be paid less after his current contract (possibly even this year). He also seems like the type to age well and fits Brad's system to a T.
I loved the Hayward signing at the time, but have some concerns about him returning to his previous form. We also have two amazing young wings who could be in Boston for a very long time and I have come to think of Hayward as more of a luxury (very expensive luxury).
So my answer to who I would trade for Davis is Hayward.
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gonna loose alot more than either of them. say good bye to probably Brown , and several other top picks and other guys .
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
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Since contracts matter, I believe Horford will be paid less after his current contract (possibly even this year). He also seems like the type to age well and fits Brad's system to a T.
I loved the Hayward signing at the time, but have some concerns about him returning to his previous form. We also have two amazing young wings who could be in Boston for a very long time and I have come to think of Hayward as more of a luxury (very expensive luxury).
So my answer to who I would trade for Davis is Hayward.
You simply do not treat players that way. Hayward made a huge decision to come to Boston and you don't unload him because he got hurt. Not really the point, but he'll come around. He will be good this season and probably back to 100% by next season.
Plus, if Danny does a free agent that way, others will be very hesitatant to sign with Boston.
Danny's rep for treating players like cattle is bad enough as it is.
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
Gosh, thank you for pointing that out. Difference is, I was intentionally incorrect just to get my thoughts across. The IP was not.
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Being a grammar policeman is against site rules and only promulgates bad feelings and retaliation. Please stop it.
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Being a grammar policeman is against site rules and only promulgates bad feelings and retaliation. Please stop it.
I didn’t know that was a rule, but boy am I glad it is.
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Neither. I'd prefer to send out Brown/Rozier.
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Neither.
It would be either Brown or Tatum plus salary (not Irving, Hayward, or Horford) and picks.
Problem is, it would be very difficult to do without using Smart, or resigning Morris to trade him, or using Rozier’s (BYC?) salary if we wait until the deadline. I guess Baynes could be included too.
I guess it really depends of how we do this season, and whether Danny thinks he should pay the high ask.
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Horford = just because of his age
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Since contracts matter, I believe Horford will be paid less after his current contract (possibly even this year). He also seems like the type to age well and fits Brad's system to a T.
I loved the Hayward signing at the time, but have some concerns about him returning to his previous form. We also have two amazing young wings who could be in Boston for a very long time and I have come to think of Hayward as more of a luxury (very expensive luxury).
So my answer to who I would trade for Davis is Hayward.
You simply do not treat players that way. Hayward made a huge decision to come to Boston and you don't unload him because he got hurt. Not really the point, but he'll come around. He will be good this season and probably back to 100% by next season.
Plus, if Danny does a free agent that way, others will be very hesitatant to sign with Boston.
Danny's rep for treating players like cattle is bad enough as it is.
I'm not to worried about the immediate to mid future. We are about to be well over the cap/tax for a long time as [hopefully] a championship contender. Players signing for the minimum up to the MLE won't really care about what types of trades Danny makes.
I think we all have to wait and see on Hayward. I understand it was not his fault that he was injured last year, but sometimes bad things happen. Tatum and Brown are the future at the wing positions - even DA couldn't have hoped for better progress from them last season (after Hayward is signed).
This whole thread is a hypothetical and if AD is coming to town, NO can frankly have both Hayward and Horford, along with all of our future picks.
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
Gosh, thank you for pointing that out. Difference is, I was intentionally incorrect just to get my thoughts across. The IP was not.
Really? You don't know what my intentions were do you. I know how to spell Heart. It's called being tired and auto correct. Please apologize.
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Hayward.
He's not really that good.
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Hayward.
He's not really that good.
Yeah, what's 3 seasons of averaging 20/5/4 on .450/.370/.826 splits worth when you come back rusty after being out of the game for almost exactly a year? ::) Guy's a bum!
Don't think I can roll my eyes hard enough
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Given age, Horford is the obvious answer.
That said, I don't believe either is traded for Davis. It will be Smart/Rozier, Brown/Tatum, and draft picks.
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Given age, Horford is the obvious answer.
That said, I don't believe either is traded for Davis. It will be Smart/Rozier, Brown/Tatum, and draft picks.
You can take Tatum out of the equation and because that's not happening.
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Given age, Horford is the obvious answer.
That said, I don't believe either is traded for Davis. It will be Smart/Rozier, Brown/Tatum, and draft picks.
You can take Tatum out of the equation and because that's not happening.
Let's see how the year goes before we make any such proclamations.
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Has to be Horford.
I wouldn't be surprised if it takes until the Allstar break for Hayward to look good and in rhythm. Next year is when he returns to his former level.
Horford is a nightmare matchup and defensive stalwart, but Davis replaces that and much, much more.
Since we're speculating that this won't happen until next season, we could always then pick Horford back up the following off season in a diminished deal, as he'll be in his mid 30s.
You can't pass up a lineup of stars like Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Davis, all in their 20s.
But we all know, it'd be Brown, Rozier and Smart that'd be on the table for AD.
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Being a grammar policeman is against site rules and only promulgates bad feelings and retaliation. Please stop it.
I didn’t know that was a rule, but boy am I glad it is.
i think gentle suggestions on spelling in titles is in bounds for posters. this title spelling is obviously wrong and is jarring to read.
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Why would the Pelicans want either Hayward coming off a devastating injury or the aging Horford?
Being realistic...It will take Rozier and Brown, plus the pick. And salary fillers.
IMO it could read "Who would you rather trade Tatum or Brown IF an AD deal could be worked out.
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Will NO want Horford? If we make a move, I think it's going to be Brown, the Sacto pick (assuming we have it of course), and others to make the cap space work.
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Hayward.
He's not really that good.
Yeah, what's 3 seasons of averaging 20/5/4 on .450/.370/.826 splits worth when you come back rusty after being out of the game for almost exactly a year? ::) Guy's a bum!
Don't think I can roll my eyes hard enough
That was years ago. Even before the injury, he did not look that good.
And now he has back problems.
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Being a grammar policeman is against site rules and only promulgates bad feelings and retaliation. Please stop it.
I didn’t know that was a rule, but boy am I glad it is.
i think gentle suggestions on spelling in titles is in bounds for posters. this title spelling is obviously wrong and is jarring to read.
It's not.
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Why would the Pelicans want either Hayward coming off a devastating injury or the aging Horford?
Being realistic...It will take Rozier and Brown, plus the pick. And salary fillers.
IMO it could read "Who would you rather trade Tatum or Brown IF an AD deal could be worked out.
I think Brown would be more valuable to a rebuilding team than Tatum but I assume Tatum's ridiculous upside would be too much for any team to not make him the focal point of any trade negotiation.
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Hayward.
He's not really that good.
Yeah, what's 3 seasons of averaging 20/5/4 on .450/.370/.826 splits worth when you come back rusty after being out of the game for almost exactly a year? ::) Guy's a bum!
Don't think I can roll my eyes hard enough
That was years ago. Even before the injury, he did not look that good.
And now he has back problems.
I’m just going to let this sit until this time next year
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Horford will just be the tip of the iceberg required to acquire Davis. These other assets can be part of the pros and cons list for whom the Celtics would prefer to trade between Hayward and Horford.
Hayward is not entirely himself as he is coming back from that injury, so the injury has depreciated his value for this season. I think his value will be back by next season. The rebuilding of Hayward's value would change how many additional assets to be sent with him for Davis.
Horford is solely a salary filler in that deal, so as a base trade needs more assets than Hayward. Now, there is a benefit for trading either one. Davis replaces Horford easily. Hayward is replaced by Brown or Tatum easily if he goes. I'm skeptical of Horford and Davis together because they are both high post bigs. The flip side is Hayward has the same problems of Brown and Tatum right now.
So, we should wait out how Hayward plays this season with those two budding stars.
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Before we go and sell the farm for AD, let’s keep one thing in perspective; NO best post season was when Rondo was in NO.
I like our team just the way it is, so if we are trading for AD, keep in mind AD is just a piece, not the savior- not in MJ, LeBron, Bird, Magic’s League. A one for one maybe, two for one? Maybe not.
Our team has gone way further than his.
....just saying
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Just Feel like Horford would need to stay. The staring five is better and more balanced with Al. We could literally give them Hayward and 4 or 5 firsts if we really wanted. Who could even beat that offer.
Horford
Davis
Tatum
Brown
Irving
I'm with you. Horford's game will age well, and his next contract would save a significant amount, just as the time comes to pay large sums to The Two Jays®.
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
Gosh, thank you for pointing that out. Difference is, I was intentionally incorrect just to get my thoughts across. The IP was not.
Really? You don't know what my intentions were do you. I know how to spell Heart. It's called being tired and auto correct. Please apologize.
It may be "incorrect", but I kind of liked "Cold Harded".
Also, KGLL, just kudos to you (and another TP) for yet another stimulating thread and poll. We need more of you, and more like you.
You didn't ask for my advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you thank him for the correction, then everybody gets to be right and you haven't lost anything and you get to be big. Build your brand, build the community.
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
Gosh, thank you for pointing that out. Difference is, I was intentionally incorrect just to get my thoughts across. The IP was not.
Really? You don't know what my intentions were do you. I know how to spell Heart. It's called being tired and auto correct. Please apologize.
It may be "incorrect", but I kind of liked "Cold Harded".
Also, KGLL, just kudos to you (and another TP) for yet another stimulating thread and poll. We need more of you, and more like you.
You didn't ask for my advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you thank him for the correction, then everybody gets to be right and you haven't lost anything and you get to be big. Build your brand, build the community.
And now that everyone has proven my point about why being grammar police is against the rules, let's stop doing it and talking about it and get on subject.
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Gut the team and future picks for one player? i know he a top 5 player but is it worth it?
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Gut the team and future picks for one player? i know he a top 5 player but is it worth it?
Good point. As fans (whether hard-hearted, hard-harded, or otherwise), we're always after that greener grass on the other side of the trade hill, and don't pay enough attention to the human side of building a successful team. Continuity and chemistry are underrated!
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Gut the team and future picks for one player? i know he a top 5 player but is it worth it?
Probably. Teams that win titles usually have top-5 players.
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You meant "Cold Hearted Poll", Not to be Granny Grammar, but sheesh, can we not spell words in this country anymore ?
Frankly, I don't want to trade anyone for the guy (ok, maybe Irving). We have the team we need. Concentrate on stability and some loyalty and on making our players feel appreciated by management, especially Brown & Tatum & Horford & Hayward & Rozier & Smart - all home-grown or they came here because they wanted to wear the Green.
If Anthony Davis wants to be a Celtic, let him come to us the same way Durant went to Golden State. We'll need him in 3 years to start replacing an aging Horford. The Lakers or Sixers would have to give up a chunk of their cores to trade for him, preventing them from becoming too strong for us to defeat.
If you're going to complain about grammar, the least you could do is be grammatically correct in your own post. The sentence I've highlighted is anything but grammatically correct. ;)
Gosh, thank you for pointing that out. Difference is, I was intentionally incorrect just to get my thoughts across. The IP was not.
Really? You don't know what my intentions were do you. I know how to spell Heart. It's called being tired and auto correct. Please apologize.
It may be "incorrect", but I kind of liked "Cold Harded".
Also, KGLL, just kudos to you (and another TP) for yet another stimulating thread and poll. We need more of you, and more like you.
You didn't ask for my advice but I'm going to give it to you anyway. Don't sweat the small stuff. If you thank him for the correction, then everybody gets to be right and you haven't lost anything and you get to be big. Build your brand, build the community.
TP back to you brother, and I hardly ever care believe me. He brought it up twice and I snapped LoL
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Gut the team and future picks for one player? i know he a top 5 player but is it worth it?
Probably. Teams that win titles usually have top-5 players.
And it’s hardly like we’d be trading everyone for him. We would still have multiple All-Stars and one of the best wing prospects in the game, under one of the best coaches in the game
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No one wants Hayward; therefore, it has to be Horford.
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Either works if AD is coming back...
Would rather trade Horford. Small ball ftw!
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Do we have to trade either though to acquire AD next summer?
Remember, we can't trade for him during this season because of the Rose Rule, but we could next summer once Kyrie re-signs here (and hopefully Kings Pick is like in the 2-5 range).
In that case though, wouldn't say, one of Brown/Tatum, Smart (12M) OR Rozier (S&T) plus some salary filler + a lot of picks be enough to acquire AD (in terms of getting close to matching salary too)?
Or is that truly impossible and we have to trade away a max-player to make it all work?
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Do we have to trade either though to acquire AD next summer?
Remember, we can't trade for him during this season because of the Rose Rule, but we could next summer once Kyrie re-signs here (and hopefully Kings Pick is like in the 2-5 range).
In that case though, wouldn't say, one of Brown/Tatum, Smart (12M) OR Rozier (S&T) plus some salary filler + a lot of picks be enough to acquire AD (in terms of getting close to matching salary too)?
Or is that truly impossible and we have to trade away a max-player to make it all work?
I'm pretty sure that this would be alright. Wyc might feel it in his pocket, but that's alright if he's alright with it.
I actually think a package like that might be more valuable to NOP, who probably wouldn't want to try and go for it with Hayward or Horford/Holiday/Randle as a big three.
A team of Rozier / Holiday / Brown / Mirotic / Randle with Smart off the bench, and a guy like Little or Reddish alongside another first round pick or two is a good core IMO. If I were New Orleans I'd rather Rozier and an additional 1st over Horford or Hayward
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Davis with 36pts-15rbs-3ast-2slt-4blks in 31 minutes...
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Davis with 36pts-15rbs-3ast-2slt-4blks in 31 minutes...
Soooooo......he just had another Anthony Davis average night.😁
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Davis with 36pts-15rbs-3ast-2slt-4blks in 31 minutes...
Soooooo......he just had another Anthony Davis average night.😁
Lol. At the end of last season I was more shocked when AD didn’t drop 40 & 15 than when he did
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Gut the team and future picks for one player? i know he a top 5 player but is it worth it?
Probably. Teams that win titles usually have top-5 players.
That’s the thing, there are only so many top-5 players in this league while there are dozens of good/great players.
This isn’t a matter or trading four quarters for a dollar, sometimes you have to give $1.75 worth of change to get that crispy bill.
There’s a larger gap from top-5 to top-25 then there is top-50 to top-100.
If you have the chance to acquire a top-5, perennial MVP candidate such as AD (while keeping your core intact), you have to seriously consider it, even if you are giving up some legit, superstar talent and depleting depth. You can rebuild a bench, you can’t just pluck a generational talent out of nowhere whenever you want.
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Why isn't this thread showing up on Latest Discussions list? The post just above is definitely more recent than the bottom one of that list....
EDIT: Now it does.