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BIG BOARD
ROUND 1 Monday August 19
11:00 1-1 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Lebron James
11:10 2-2 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Kevin Durant
11:20 3-3 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Memphis: Chris Paul
11:30 4-4 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: James Harden
11:40 5-5 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Dwight Howard
11:50 6-6 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Tony Parker
12:00 7-7 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Carmelo Anthony
12:10 8-8 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Dwyane Wade
12:20 9-9 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Stephen Curry
12:30 10-10 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Russell Westbrook
12:40 11-11 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Derrick Rose
12:50 12-12 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Marc Gasol
1:00 13-13 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Kyrie Irving
1:40 14-14 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Paul George
1:50 15-15 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Kevin Love
2:00 16-16 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Kobe Bryant
2:10 17-17 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Tim Duncan
2:20 18-18 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Anthony Davis
2:30 19-19 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Al Horford
2:40 20-20 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticChicago: LaMarcus Aldridge
2:50 21-21 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Indiana: Deron Williams
3:00 22-22 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe Lakers: Dirk Nowitzki
3:10 23-23 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture Clippers: Blake Griffin
3:20 24-24 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Rajon Rondo
3:30 25-25 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: John Wall
ROUND 2 Tuesday August 20
11:00 1-26 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Joakim Noah
11:10 2-27 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Brook Lopez
11:20 3-28 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Greg Monroe
11:30 4-29 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Chris Bosh
11:40 5-30 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Roy Hibbert
11:50 6-31 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticChicago: Tyson Chandler
12:00 7-32 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Kevin Garnett
12:10 8-33 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Andre Drummond
12:20 9-34 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: David West
12:30 10-35 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Serge Ibaka
12:40 11-36 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Andre Iguodala
12:50 12-37 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Mike Conley
1:00 13-38 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Jrue Holiday
1:40 14-39 Los Angeles Lakers: BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaMiami: Josh Smith
1:50 15-40 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan Houston Denver: Damian Lillard
2:00 16-41 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Kahwi Leonard
2:10 17-42 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: DeMarcus Cousins
2:20 18-43 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Paul Pierce
2:30 19-44 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Luol Deng
2:40 20-45 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyHouston: Al Jefferson
2:50 21-46 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Jeff Green
3:00 22-47 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Rudy Gay
3:10 23-48 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Boston: Pau Gasol
3:20 24-49 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287Golden State: Zach Randolph
3:30 25-50 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit Orlando: Paul Millsap
ROUND 3 Wednesday August 21
11:00 1-51 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Klay Thompson
11:10 2-52 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Larry Sanders
11:20 3-53 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Nicolas Batum
11:30 4-54 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Chandler Parsons
11:40 5-55 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: David Lee
11:50 6-56 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Nikola Pekovic
12:00 7-57 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Ty Lawson
12:10 8-58 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Bradley Beal
12:20 9-59 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jimmy Butler
12:30 10-60 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Omer Asik
12:40 11-61 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Danny Granger
12:50 12-62 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Ryan Anderson
1:00 13-63 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Enes Kanter
1:40 14-64 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaMiami: Gordon Haywood
1:50 15-65 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/GomesfanHoustonDallas: Kenneth Faried
2:00 16-66 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Manu Ginobili
2:10 17-67 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Derrick Favors
2:20 18-68 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Carlos Boozer
2:30 19-69 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Joe Johnson
2:40 20-70 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Danilo Gallinari
2:50 21-71 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Ricky Rubio
3:00 22-72 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameHouston: Marcin Gortat
3:10 23-73 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Memphis: Ersan Ilyasova
3:20 24-74 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287Golden State: J.R. Smith
3:30 25-75 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales PitOrlando: George Hill
ROUND 4 Thursday August 22
11:00 1-76 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: DeAndre Jordan
11:10 2-77 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287Golden State Denver: Andrew Bogut
11:20 3-78 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Danny Green
11:30 4-79 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Wilson Chandler
11:40 5-80 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Iman Shumpert
11:50 6-81 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Jonas Valanciunas
12:00 7-82 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Andrew Bynum
12:10 8-83 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Nene Hilario
12:20 9-84 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Harrison Barnes
12:30 10-85 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Tyreke Evans
12:40 11-86 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Nikola Vucevic
12:50 12-87 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Wesley Matthews
1:00 13-88 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Tiago Splitter
1:40 14-89 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: J.J. Redick
1:50 15-90 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: JaVale McGee
2:00 16-91 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Clippers: Arron Afflalo
2:10 17-92 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jeff Teague
2:20 18-93 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Eric Bledsoe
2:30 19-94 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Jose Calderon Tony Allen
2:40 20-95 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticChicagoBoston: Eric Gordon
2:50 21-96 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Denver: Kyle Lowry
3:00 22-97 Miami Heat KCatTheStripeLakers: Jose Calderon
3:10 23-98 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureDenver: Anderson Varejao
3:20 24-99 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Goran Dragic
3:30 25-100 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Tobias Harris
ROUND 5 Friday August 23
11:00 1-101 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Milwaukee: Emeka Okafor
11:10 2-102 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Monta Ellis
11:20 3-103 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture Clippers Orlando: Amar'e Stoudemire
11:30 4-104 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Steve Nash
11:40 5-105 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Denver: Andrei Kirilenko
11:50 6-106 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Victor Oladipo
12:00 7-107 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Jamal Crawford
12:10 8-108 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Dion Waiters
12:20 9-109 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: O.J. Mayo
12:30 10-110 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanMinnesotaNew York: Kevin Martin
12:40 11-111 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Thaddeus Young
12:50 12-112 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee Washington: Amir Johnson
1:00 13-113 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IPChicago: Shawn Marion
1:40 14-114 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Jared Dudley
1:50 15-115 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/GomesfanOrlando: Jarrett Jack
2:00 16-116 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: J.J. Hickson
2:10 17-117 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
2:20 18-118 Atlanta Hawks ChampkindClippers: DeMar DeRozan
2:30 19-118 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Brandon Jennings
2:40 20-120 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyDenver: Carl Landry
2:50 21-121 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Kyle Korver
3:00 22-122 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameHoustonNew York: Maurice Harkless
3:10 23-123 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Memphis: Thabo Sefolosha
3:20 24-124 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Luis Scola
3:30 25-125 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Avery Bradley
COACH'S ROUND
1 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Gregg Popovich
2 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Marc Jackson
3 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Tom Thibodeau
4 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Rick Carlisle
5 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Frank Vogel
6 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Eric Spoelstra
7 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Doc Rivers
8 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Rick Adelman
9 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Mike Krzyzewski
10 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Brad Stevens
11 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Kevin Stallings
12 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Lionel Hollins
13 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Scott Brooks
14 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Jeff Van Gundy
15 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Kevin McHale
16 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Monty Williams
17 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Mike Brown
18 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Alvin Gentry
19 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Pat Riley
20 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Brian Shaw
21 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Phil Jackson
22 New York Knicks pearljammer10: George Karl
23 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Lawrence Frank
24 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Mike Budenholzer
25 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Nate McMillan
ROUND 6 Monday August 26
11:00 1-126 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales PitOrlando: Martell Webster
11:05 2-127 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Robin Lopez
11:10 3-128 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Greivis Vasquez
11:15 4-129 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Golden State: Raymond Felton
11:20 5-130 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Patrick Patterson
11:25 6-131 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Brandon Knight
11:30 7-132 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Tristan Thompson
11:35 8-133 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Jeremy Lin
11:40 9-134 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Kosta Koufos
11:45 10-135 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Nerlens Noel
11:50 11-136 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/GomesfanAtlanta: Samuel Dalembert
11:55 12-137 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaMiami:Gerald Henderson
12:00 13-138 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Lance Stephenson
12:05 14-139 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Trevor Ariza
12:10 15-140 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Kemba Walker
12:15 16-141 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanMinnesota New York: Derrick Williams
12:20 17-142 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Matt Barnes
12:25 18-143 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Al-Farouq Aminu
12:30 19-144 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticDenver: Vince Carter
12:35 20-145 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Carlos Delfino
12:40 21-146 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Chicago: Brandon Wright
12:45 22-147 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Andre Miller
12:50 23-148 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Tayshaun Prince
12:55 24-149 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Minnesota: Shane Battier
1:00 25-150 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Evan Turner
ROUND 7 Monday August 26
1:45 1-151 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Spencer Hawes
1:50 2-152 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Kirk Hinrich
1:55 3-153 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureNew York: Andrea Bargnani
2:00 4-154 Miami Heat KCatTheStripeLakers: Luc Mbah a Moute
2:05 5-155 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Lou Williams
2:10 6-156 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Dorell Wright
2:15 7-157 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticDenverOrlando: Metta World Peace
2:20 8-158 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Bismack Biyumbo
2:25 9-159 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Andray Blatche
2:30 10-160 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Nick Collison
2:35 11-161 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Marcus Thronton
2:40 12-162 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee Washington: Mike Dunleavy
2:45 13-163 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Evan Fournier
2:50 14-164 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Ed Davis
2:55 15-165 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/GomesfanAtlanta: Jameer Nelson
3:00 16-166 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia: Kendrick Perkins
3:05 17-167 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34; Gerald Wallace
3:10 18-168 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: John Henson
3:15 19-169 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Darren Collison
3:20 20-170 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyDenverCleveland: Mo Williams
3:25 21-171 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Steve Novak
3:30 22-172 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Courtney Lee
3:35 23-173 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Brandon Bass
3:40 24-174 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Ray Allen
3:45 25-175 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Taj Gibson
ROUND 8 Tuesday August 27
11:00 1-176 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Glen Davis
11:05 2-177 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Elton Brand
11:10 3-178 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Nate Robinson
11:15 4-179 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Golden State: Brandon Rush
11:20 5-180 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Mario Chalmers
11:25 6-181 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Chris Kaman
11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Zaza Pachulia
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Alex Len
11:40 9-184 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Chris Anderson
11:45 10-185 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia: Ramon Sessions
11:50 11-186 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan Oklahoma City: Ben McLemore
11:55 12-187 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Boris Diaw
12:00 13-188 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Corey Brewer
12:05 14-189 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Reggie Evans
12:10 15-190 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Cody Zeller
12:15 16-191 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan ClippersOklahoma City: Chase Budinger
12:20 17-192 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jared Sullinger
12:25 18-193 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Otto Porter
12:30 19-194 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Caron Butler
12:35 20-195 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Jose Juan Barea
12:40 21-196 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Reggie Jackson
12:45 22-197 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Darrell Arthur
12:50 23-198 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureLakers: Quincy Pondexter
12:55 24-199 New York Knicks pearljammer10:Francisco Garcia
1:00 25-200 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Devin Harris
ROUND 9 Tuesday August 27
1:45 1-201 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Milwaukee: Jerryd Bayless
1:50 2-202 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Houston: Jason Terry
1:55 3-203 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureDallas: Jonas Jerebko
2:00 4-204 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: John Salmons
2:05 5-205 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Ben Gordon
2:10 6-206 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticLakers: Kelly Olynyk
2:15 7-207 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticDenverOrlando: Jason Thompson
2:20 8-208 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Greg Oden
2:25 9-209 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Mike Miller
2:30 10-210 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanDenver: Marresse Speights
2:35 11-211 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Luke Ridnour
2:40 12-212 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Alonzo Gee
2:45 13-213 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Isaiah Thomas
2:50 14-214 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Jeremy Lamb
2:55 15-215 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan
3:00 16-216 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Pablo Prigioni
3:05 17-217 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Earl Clark
3:10 18-218 Atlanta Hawks ChampkindClippersOklahoma City: Udonis Haslem
3:15 19-219 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Anthony Bennett
3:20 20-220 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Tyler hansborough
3:25 21-221 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Jordan Hill
3:30 22-222 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameDallas: Will Bynum
3:35 23-223 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Chris Copeland
3:40 24-224 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Rodney Stuckey
3:45 25-225 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: C.J. Miles
ROUND 10 Wednesday August 28
11:00 1-226 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales PitOklahoma City: Marco Belinelli
11:05 2-227 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Marvin Williams
11:10 3-228 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Golden State: Draymond Green
11:15 4-229 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameDallas: Jason Smith
11:20 5-230 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Eric Maynor
11:25 6-231 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyHouston: Kenyon Martin
11:30 7-232 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Byron Mullens
11:35 8-233 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Randy Foye
11:40 9-234 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Corey Joseph
11:45 10-235 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Kris Humphries
11:50 11-236 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Chauncey Billups
11:55 12-237 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaMemphis: Ivan Johnson
12:00 13-238 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Patrick Beverley
12:05 14-239 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Greg Smith
12:10 15-240 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Luigi DaTome
12:15 16-241 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanDenver: Jason Richardson
12:20 17-242 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Keyon Dooling
12:25 18-243 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan ForeverTrey Burke
12:30 19-244 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticPhiladelphiaC.J. McCollum
12:35 20-245 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: C.J. Watson
12:40 21-246 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Festus Ezeli
12:45 22-247 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Gary Neal
12:50 23-248 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture Lakers: Jermaine O'Neal
12:55 24-249 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Beno Udrih
1:00 25-250 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Kyle Singler
ROUND 11 Wednesday August 28
1:45 1-251 Washington Wizards Rebus RankinCleveland: Steve Blake
1:50 2-252 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Channing Frye
1:55 3-253 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: D.J. Augustin
2:00 4-254 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Alexey Shved
2:05 5-255 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Indiana: Jeff Taylor
2:10 6-256 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Chuck Hayes
2:15 7-257 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticWashington: Thomas Robinson
2:20 8-258 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Sergey Karasev
2:25 9-259 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Ryan Hollins
2:30 10-260 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Ronnie Brewer
2:35 11-261 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Donatas Motiejunas
2:40 12-262 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Tyler Zeller
2:45 13-263 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Terrence Jones
2:50 14-264 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaMemphis: Dante Cunningham
2:55 15-265 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Myers Leonard
3:00 16-266 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Matt Bonner
3:05 17-267 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Victor Claver
3:10 18-268 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Nick Young
3:15 19-269 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
3:20 20-270 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Reggie Bullock
3:25 21-271 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Dennis Schroeder
3:30 22-272 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameCleveland: Timofey Mozgov
3:35 23-273 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Golden State: Ekpe Udoh
3:40 24-274 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Andrew Nicholson
3:45 25-275 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Greg Steimsma
ROUND 12 Thursday August 29
11:00 1-276 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Jae Crowder
11:05 2-277 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Shaun Livingston
11:10 3-278 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Giannis Antetokounmpo
11:15 4-279 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Leandro Barbosa
11:20 5-280 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo ShowClippers: Mickael Pietrus
11:25 6-281 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyDenver: Alec Burks
11:30 7-282 Portland Trailblazers riah32: jason Maxiell
11:35 8-283 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: DeJuan Blair
11:40 9-284 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34Cleveland: Terrence Ross
11:45 10-285 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Jodie Meeks
11:50 11-286 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Ronnie Turiaf
11:55 12-287 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Michael Carter-Williams
12:00 13-288 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Kent Bazemore
12:05 14-289 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Wayne Ellington
12:10 15-290 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Toney Douglas
12:15 16-291 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Sebastian Telfair
12:20 17-292 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18 Philadelphia: Marquis Teague
12:25 18-293 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Norris Cole
12:30 19-294 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Lamar Odom
12:35 20-295 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Lavoy Allen
12:40 21-296 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Indiana: Markeiff Morris
12:45 22-297 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Kevin Seraphin
12:50 23-298 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Nazr Mohammed
12:55 24-299 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Victor Faverani
1:00 25-300 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Wesley Johnson
ROUND 13 Thursday August 29
1:45 1-301 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Brendan Haywood
1:50 2-302 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Jeremy Evans
1:55 3-303 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture Derek Fisher
2:00 4-304 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe Omri Casspi
2:05 5-305 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Oklahoma City Landry Fields
2:10 6-306 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic Brian Roberts
2:15 7-307 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticWashington Gerald Green
2:20 8-308 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever Gorgui Dieng
2:25 9-309 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18 Philadelphia Jamaal Franklin
2:30 10-310 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Aaron Gray
2:35 11-311 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle DeMarre Carroll
2:40 12-312 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee Willie Green
2:45 13-313 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP Pero Antic
2:50 14-314 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaHouston Jimmer Fredette
2:55 15-315 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan Drew Gooden
3:00 16-316 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha Steven Adams
3:05 17-317 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34Brooklyn Mason Plumlee
3:10 18-318 Atlanta Hawks Champkind Mirza Teletovic
3:15 19-319 Portland Trailblazers riah32 Jordan Crawford
3:20 20-320 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey Terrence Williams
3:25 21-321 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo ShowClippers Marquis Daniels
3:30 22-322 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Marcus Camby
3:35 23-323 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943 Andris Biedrins
3:40 24-324 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Michael Beasley
3:45 25-325 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Jordan Farmar
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Chris Douglas-Roberts
Goran Dragic
Andre Drummond
Bojan Dubljevic
Jared Dudley
Chris Duhon
Tim Duncan
Mike Dunleavy
Kevin Durant
Devin Ebanks
Wayne Ellington
Monta Ellis
Kim English
James Ennis
Jeremy Evans
Reggie Evans
Tyreke Evans
Festus Ezeli
Jordan Farmar
Kenneth Faried
Derrick Favors
Carrick Felix
Raymond Felton
Landry Fields
Derek Fisher
Evan Fournier
Randy Foye
Jamaal Franklin
Jimmer Fredette
Joel Freeland
Channing Frye
Danilo Gallinari
Francisco Garcia
Kevin Garnett
Diante Garrett
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Rudy Gay
Alonzo Gee
Mickael Gelabale
Paul George
Daniel Gibson
Taj Gibson
Manu Ginobili
Rudy Gobert
Ryan Gomes
Drew Gooden
Archie Goodwin
Ben Gordon
Eric Gordon
Marcin Gortat
Andrew Goudelock
Danny Granger
Aaron Gray
Danny Green
Draymond Green
Erick Green
Gerald Green
Jeff Green
Willie Green
Donte Greene
Blake Griffin
Hamed Haddadi
Jordan Hamilton
Richard Hamilton
Ben Hansbrough
Tyler Hansbrough
Tim Hardaway
James Harden
Maurice Harkless
Josh Harrellson
Al Harrington
Devin Harris
Terrel Harris
Tobias Harris
Udonis Haslem
Spencer Hawes
Chuck Hayes
Gordon Hayward
Lazar Hayward
Brendan Haywood
Gerald Henderson
Xavier Henry
John Henson
Roy Hibbert
J.J. Hickson
Cory Higgins
Nene Hilario
George Hill
Grant Hill
Jordan Hill
Solomon Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Jrue Holiday
Justin Holiday
Ryan Hollins
Tyler Honeycutt
Al Horford
Dwight Howard
Josh Howard
Juwan Howard
Kris Humphries
Serge Ibaka
Andre Iguodala
Ersan Ilyasova
Kyrie Irving
Colton Iverson
Royal Ivey
Jarrett Jack
Pierre Jackson
Reggie Jackson
Stephen Jackson
Bernard James
Damion James
LeBron James
Mike James
Antawn Jamison
Livio Jean-Charles
Al Jefferson
Richard Jefferson
Jared Jeffries
Charles Jenkins
John Jenkins
Brandon Jennings
Jonas Jerebko
Grant Jerrett
Amir Johnson
Chris Johnson
Chris Johnson
Ivan Johnson
James Johnson
Joe Johnson
Orlando Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Darius Johnson-Odom
Dahntay Jones
DeQuan Jones
Dominique Jones
James Jones
Kevin Jones
Perry Jones
Solomon Jones
Terrence Jones
DeAndre Jordan
Cory Joseph
Kris Joseph
Chris Kaman
Enes Kanter
Sergey Karasev
Arsalan Kazemi
Ryan Kelly
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Andrei Kirilenko
Linas Kleiza
Brandon Knight
Kyle Korver
Kosta Koufos
Viacheslav Kravtsov
Doron Lamb
Jeremy Lamb
Carl Landry
Shane Larkin
Joffrey Lauvergne
Ty Lawson
Ricky Ledo
Courtney Lee
David Lee
Malcolm Lee
Alex Len
Kawhi Leonard
Meyers Leonard
Jon Leuer
Rashard Lewis
DeAndre Liggins
Damian Lillard
Jeremy Lin
Shaun Livingston
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Kevin Love
Kyle Lowry
John Lucas
Scott Machado
Shelvin Mack
Corey Maggette
Ian Mahinmi
Shawn Marion
Kendall Marshall
Cartier Martin
Kenyon Martin
Kevin Martin
Roger Mason
Wesley Matthews
Jason Maxiell
Eric Maynor
O.J. Mayo
Luc Mbah a Moute
Ray McCallum
C.J. McCollum
JaVale McGee
Dominic McGuire
Ben McLemore
Josh McRoberts
Jodie Meeks
Fab Melo
Khris Middleton
C.J. Miles
Darko Milicic
Andre Miller
Darius Miller
Mike Miller
Quincy Miller
Patrick Mills
Paul Millsap
Tony Mitchell
Nazr Mohammed
Greg Monroe
E'Twaun Moore
Darius Morris
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Anthony Morrow
Donatas Motiejunas
Arnett Moultrie
Timofey Mozgov
Shabazz Muhammad
Byron Mullens
Erik Murphy
Kevin Murphy
Mike Muscala
Tracy McGrady
Steve Nash
Gary Neal
Nemanja Nedovic
Jameer Nelson
Raul Neto
Andrew Nicholson
Joakim Noah
Nerlens Noel
Lucas Nogueira
Steve Novak
Dirk Nowitzki
Jermaine O'Neal
Kyle O'Quinn
Greg Oden
Lamar Odom
Tim Ohlbrecht
Emeka Okafor
Victor Oladipo
Kelly Olynyk
Alex Oriakhi
Daniel Orton
Romero Osby
Travis Outlaw
Zaza Pachulia
Jannero Pargo
Jeremy Pargo
Tony Parker
Chandler Parsons
Patrick Patterson
Chris Paul
Sasha Pavlovic
Nikola Pekovic
Jeff Pendergraph
Kendrick Perkins
Johan Petro
Paul Pierce
Mickael Pietrus
Dexter Pittman
Mason Plumlee
Miles Plumlee
Quincy Pondexter
Otto Porter
Phil Pressey
A.J. Price
Ronnie Price
Pablo Prigioni
Tayshaun Prince
Joel Przybilla
Chris Quinn
Vladimir Radmanovic
Anthony Randolph
Shavlik Randolph
Zach Randolph
J.J. Redick
Glen Rice
Jason Richardson
Quentin Richardson
Luke Ridnour
Austin Rivers
Andre Roberson
Brian Roberts
Nate Robinson
Thomas Robinson
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Terrence Ross
Brandon Roy
Ricky Rubio
Brandon Rush
Robert Sacre
John Salmons
Samardo Samuels
Larry Sanders
Dennis Schroeder
Luis Scola
Mike Scott
Thabo Sefolosha
Josh Selby
Kevin Seraphin
Ramon Sessions
Tornike Shengelia
Iman Shumpert
Alexey Shved
Henry Sims
Kyle Singler
Chris Singleton
Peyton Siva
Donald Sloan
Greg Smith
Ishmael Smith
J.R. Smith
Jason Smith
Josh Smith
Nolan Smith
Tony Snell
Marreese Speights
Tiago Splitter
Jerry Stackhouse
Lance Stephenson
DeShawn Stevenson
Greg Stiemsma
Julyan Stone
Amar'e Stoudemire
Rodney Stuckey
Jared Sullinger
DaJuan Summers
Jeff Taylor
Tyshawn Taylor
Jeff Teague
Marquis Teague
Mirza Teletovic
Sebastian Telfair
Garrett Temple
Jason Terry
Hasheem Thabeet
Deshaun Thomas
Isaiah Thomas
Kurt Thomas
Lance Thomas
Malcolm Thomas
Tyrus Thomas
Jason Thompson
Klay Thompson
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Thornton
Janis Timma
Jamaal Tinsley
Anthony Tolliver
Marko Todorovic
Marc Torrence
Ronny Turiaf
Hedo Turkoglu
Evan Turner
Jeremy Tyler
Ekpe Udoh
Beno Udrih
Jonas Valanciunas
Anderson Varejao
Jarvis Varnado
Greivis Vasquez
Jan Vesely
Charlie Villanueva
Nikola Vucevic
Dwyane Wade
Dion Waiters
Kemba Walker
John Wall
Gerald Wallace
Rasheed Wallace
Luke Walton
Hakim Warrick
C.J. Watson
Earl Watson
Maalik Wayns
Martell Webster
David West
Russell Westbrook
D.J. White
James White
Chris Wilcox
Damien Wilkins
Deron Williams
Derrick Williams
Elliott Williams
Louis Williams
Marvin Williams
Mo Williams
Reggie Williams
Terrence Williams
Jeff Withey
Nate Wolters
Metta World Peace
Brandan Wright
Chris Wright
Dorell Wright
Nick Young
Sam Young
Thaddeus Young
Cody Zeller
Tyler Zeller
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TRADES & FREE AGENTS
1. Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
2. Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
3. Houston sends: 1.23 and 5.3
Los Angeles Clippers send: 2.15 and 3.15
4. Miami sends 1.22 4.22, and 7.4
Los Angeles Lakers send 2.14, 3.14 and 6.12
5. Houston sends: 3.15 and 9.3
Dallas sends: 2.20 and 10.6
6. Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
7. Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
8. Boston sends: Jrue Holiday, 5.13
Chicago sends: 2.23, 4.20
9. Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
10. Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
11. Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
12. Washington trades 5.1 and 9.1
Milwaukee trades 5.12 and 7.12
13. New York sends: Monta Ellis and 6.24
Minnesota sends: 5.10 and 6.16
14. Denver sends: Andrei Kirilenko, 9.22, 10.4
Dallas sends: 5.20, 7.20, 12.6
15. Atlanta send: 5.18, 9.18
Los Angeles Clippers send: 6.11, 7.15
16. Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
17. Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
18. Denver sends Carl Landry, 7.20, 11.22
Cleveland sends 6.19, 7.7, 9.7
19. Brooklyn sends 7.16 and 8.10
Philadelphia sends Kosta Koufos and 13.17
20. Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
21. Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
22. Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Chris Anderson, Ramon Session
23. Houston Rockets sends: 8.23 and 10.23
Los Angeles Lakers sends: Boris Diaw and 13.14
24. Memphis Grizzlies send: Barea, Delfino, 9.6
Los Angeles Lakers send: Dudley, 10.12, 11.14
25. Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
26. LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
27. Cleveland sends: 11.7, 13.7, 5 TPs
Washington sends: 11.1
28. Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
29.Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
30. Bernard James signed by Cleveland
31. New York sends: Rajon Rondo, Andrea Bargnani, Moe Harkless
Golden State sends: Ray Felton, Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph
32. Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sends: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
33. Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
34. Anthony Morrow is signed by Miami
35. Boston sends: Tiago Splitter, Lance Stephenson
Miami Sends: Gordon Hayward, Darrell Arthur
36. Anthony Tolliver is sign by Golden State
37. Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
38. Golden State sends Moe Harkless
Orlando trades Jason Thompson.
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ROSTERS
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Boston
Guards: Kyrie Irving, Evan Fournier, Isaiah Thomas, Patric Beverley, Kent Bazemore, Gordon Haywood,
Forwards:Pau Gasol, Danilo Gallinari, Corey Brewer, Terrence Jones, Darrell Arthur,
Centers: Jonas Valanciunas, Pero Antic
Coach: Gregg Popovich
New York
Guards: Ricky Rubio, Kevin Martin, Kirk Hinrich, Francisco Garcia, Beno Udrih
Forwards: Zach Randolph, Jeff Green, Larry Sanders, Derrick Williams, Jeremy Evans
Centers: Brook Lopez, Channing Frye, Victor Faverani
Coach: George Karl
Brooklyn
Guards: Russell Westbrook, Manu Ginobili, Tyreke Evans, Pablo Prigioni, Jodie Meeks
Forwards: Kahwi Leonard, J.J. Hickson, Kris Humphries, Matt Bonner, Mason Plumlee
Centers: Kosta Koufos, Nerlens Noel, Steven Adams
Coach : Doc Rivers
Philadelphia
Guards: Stephen Curry, Mo Williams, Cory Joseph, C.J. McCollum, Marquis Teague, Jamaal Franklin
Forwards: Derrick Favors, Harrison Barnes, Jimmy Butler, Earl Clark, Victor Claver
Centers: Demarcus Cousins, Kendrick Perkins
Coach: Mike Krzyzewski
Chicago
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Danny Green, J.R. Smith, Greivis Vasquez, Nate Robinson
Forwards: David Lee, Shawn Marion, Brandon Bass, Chris Copeland, Giannis Antetokounmpo
Centers: Tyson Chandler, Brandan Wright, Andris Biedrins
Coach: Phil Jackson
Indiana
Guards: Deron Williams, Ray Allen, Rodney Stuckey, Jeff Taylor, Shaun Livingston
Forwards: Kevin Durant, Luis Scola, Marvin Williams, Andrew Nicholson, Markeiff Morris, Michael Beasley
Centers: Robin Lopez, Elton Brand,
Coach: Lawrence Frank
Cleveland
Guards: Ty Lawson, Tony Allen, Jamal Crawford, Steve Blake, Terrence Ross
Forwards: Al Horford, Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom
Centers: Kevin Garnett, Timofey Mozgov, Bernard James
Lionel Hollins
Detroit
Guards: Bradley Beal, Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters, Trey Burke, Norris Cole
Forwards: Anthony Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Otto Porter, Sergey Karasev
Centers: Andre Drummond, Bismack Biyombo, Greg Oden, Gorgui Dieng
Coach: Brad Stevens
Milwaukee
Guards: Mike Conley, J.J. Redick, Jerryd Bayless, Wayne Ellington, Willie Green
Forwards: Paul George, Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Reggie Evans, Alonzo Gee
Centers: Emeka Okafor, Greg Smith, Tyler Zeller
Coach: Marc Jackson
Miami
Guards: Tony Parker, D.J. Augustin, Andre Miller, Alexey Shved, Anthony Morrow, Lance Stephenson
Forwards: Chris Bosh, Chandler Parsons, John Salmons, Omri Casspi
Centers: Samuel Dalembert, Kevin Seraphin, Tiago Splitter
Coach: Alvin Gentry
Atlanta
Guards: Dwyane Wade, Jameer Nelson, Jeremy Lin, Gerald Henderson, Randy Foye
Forwards: Paul Pierce, Carlos Boozer, John Henson, Nick Young, DeJuan Blair, Mirza Teletovic
Centers: Nene Hilario, Alex Len
Coach: Kevin Stallings
Orlando
Guards: Kobe Bryant, George Hill, Jarrett Jack, Vince Carter, Sebastian Telfair
Forwards: Paul Millsap, Amar'e Stoudemire, Metta World Peace, Ronnie Brewer, Maurice Harkless,
Centers: Omer Asik, Nick Collison, Aaron Gray
Coach: Eric Spoelstra
Washington
Guards: John Wall, Klay Thompson, Evan Turner, Devin Harris, Wesley Johnson, Gerald Green
Forwards: Tobias Harris, Amir Johnson, Mike Dunleavy, Kyle Singler, Thomas Robinson
Centers: Joakim Noah, Spencer Hawes, Brendan Haywood
Coach: Mike Budenholzer
WESTERN CONFERENCE
San Antonio
Guards: Andre Iguodala, Kemba Walker, Marcus Thornton, Luke Ridnour, Toney Douglas
Forwards: Kevin Love, Danny Granger, Thaddeus Young, Luigi Datome, Donatas Motiejunas, DeMarre Carroll
Centers:JaVale McGee, Cody Zeller
Coach: Rick Carlisle
Memphis
Guards: Chris Paul, Victor Oladipo, Thabo Sefolosha, C.J. Watson, Brian Roberts
Forwards: Ersan Ilyasova, Dorell Wright, Jared Dudley, Chuck Hayes, Dante Cunningham
Centers: Nikola Pekovic, Ivan Johnson, Lavoy Allen
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Houston
Guards: James Harden, Goran Dragic, Jason Terry, Will Bynum, Derek Fisher, Jimmer Fredette
Forwards: Nicolas Batum, Tayshaun Prince, Boris Diaw, Kenyon Martin, Kenneth Faried
Centers: Marcin Gortat, Nazr Mohammed
Coach: Brian Shaw
Dallas
Guards: Steve Nash, Gary Neal, Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
Forwards: Josh Smith, Luol Deng, Tyler Hansbrough, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Jason Smith
Centers: Al Jefferson, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
Coach: Kevin McHale
Los Angeles Lakers
Guards: Wesley Matthews, Jose Calderon, Jose Barea, Jeremy Lamb, Michael Carter-Williams
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki, Luc Mbah a Moute, Ed Davis, Quincy Pondexter, Carlos Delfino, Kelly Olynyk
Centers: Marc Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal
Tom Thibodeau
Los Angeles Clippers
Guards: Raymond Felton, Arron Afflalo, Chauncey Billups, Mickael Pietrus, Marquis Daniels
Forwards: Blake Griffin, Rudy Gay,, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, Drew gooden
Centers: Nikola Vucevic, Myers Leonard, Ronnie Turiaf
Coach: Frank Vogel
Golden State
Guards: Rajon Rondo, Lou Williams, Brandon Rush, Reggie Jackson, DeMar DeRozan
Forwards: LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrea Bargnani, Draymond Green, Anthony Tolliver, Jason Thompson,
Centers: Roy Hibbert, Ekpe Udoh, Festus Ezeli
Coach: Monty Williams
Phoenix
Guards: Jeff Teague, O.J. Mayo, Ramon Sessions, Keyon Dooling
Forwards: David West, Matt Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jared Sullinger, Mike Miller
Centers: Tim Duncan, Andray Blatche, Chris Andersen, Ryan Hollins
Coach: Rick Adelman,
Portland
Guards: Joe Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Darren Collison, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Jordan Crawford
Forwards: Carmelo Anthony, Andrei Kirilenko, Tristan Thompson, Anthony Bennett, Jason Maxiell
Centers: Andrew Bynum, Enes Kanter, Zaza Pachulia
Coach: Scott Brooks
Oklahoma City
Guards: Derrick Rose, Iman Shumpert, Bem McLemore, Marco Belinelli, Eric Maynor, Dennis Schoeder, Ben Gordon
Forwards: Patrick Patterson, Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Chase Budinger, Landry Fields
Centers: Dwight Howard, Iam Mahinmi
Coach: Mike Brown
Denver
Guards: Damian Lillard, Kyle Lowry, Jason Richardson, Leandro Barbosa, Alec Burks
Forwards: Greg Monroe, Wilson Chandler, Anderson Varejao, Martell Webster, Marreese Speights
Centers: Andrew Bogut, Marcus Camby
Coach: Pat Riley
Minnesota
Guards: Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, C.J. Miles, Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers, Jordan Farmar
Forwards: Lebron James, Serge Ibaka, Shane Battier, Glen Davis, Jae Crowder
Centers: DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
Coach: Nate McMillen
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All posts are now to be made in this thread
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How come the serpentine starts after the third round?
I pick 1-1, 2-50, but then not until 3-75/4-76?
Shouldn't it be 1-1, 2-50, 3-51, 4-100, 5-101?
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How come the serpentine starts after the third round?
I pick 1-1, 2-50, but then not until 3-75/4-76?
Shouldn't it be 1-1, 2-50, 3-51, 4-100, 5-101?
No this is a modified snake to even out the quality. It has been in place for a few years and we find it works best in this subjective exercise.
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I can swing picking #4. First time I cracked the top 5.
Anyways, #4 is on the block, when it becomes official to talk about trades.
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How come the serpentine starts after the third round?
I pick 1-1, 2-50, but then not until 3-75/4-76?
Shouldn't it be 1-1, 2-50, 3-51, 4-100, 5-101?
Like Nick said, the talent disparity between Lebron and whoever is picked at the end of the first round is so great that having 2 end of round picks really evens out the talent making it more fun.
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I can swing picking #4. First time I cracked the top 5.
Anyways, #4 is on the block, when it becomes official to talk about trades.
It is official to talk all you want and every team gets one approved trade prior to the draft starting at 11:00AM EST Monday
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Pick 23 it is.
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The #2 pick is on the block, you would be guaranteed either Lebron or the Durantula. come get it.
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Pick 22 is on the block!
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Cool. Right smack dab in the middle ::)
#12 on the blizzy. (Please PM me and rondoallaturca)
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Cool, I like the Cavs.
And yes, 1.19 and 2.7 are available to move up in the first and down in the 2nd. PM airbelinelli: he's back in the U.S. of A.
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Pick 21 on the block
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So after my long hiatus in China, I'm back and ready to go for this draft. Watch out...
Send me PM's of offers, I promise I'll respond this time, I'm not 12 hours ahead of everyone anymore.
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DRAFT LOTTERY RESULTS: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67297.0
2:40 20-20 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic
"I'll take Coincedence, Shmudincedence for $800, Alex."
"The answer: 20, 20, 21, 20"
Beep beep.
"What is Gainesville Celtic's last 4 CelticsBlog Draft posisions since winning the lottery in 2009?"
"That's it, you control the board..."
In other news... sigh.
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DRAFT LOTTERY RESULTS: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67297.0
2:40 20-20 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic
"I'll take Coincedence, Shmudincedence for $800, Alex."
"The answer: 20, 20, 21, 20"
Beep beep.
"What is Gainesville Celtic's last 4 CelticsBlog Draft posisions since winning the lottery in 2009?"
"That's it, you control the board..."
In other news... sigh.
Haha what a strange coincidence.
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Yuck! Stuck in the middle and I got the fricken Milwaukee Bucks. Least interesting team ever.
Anyway, willing to trade all non-1st round picks for 1st rounders. Get this offer while its still hot folks!
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Putting #3 in the block come strong though.
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#11 is on the block if the offer is right.....
Pm me or WeMadeit17 !!
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I guess PM me on my pick as well.
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The LAKERS?! Ugh... Anyway, like my co-GM said, we're listening to offers! Our first overall is #12 but we can talk about others, too. PM me or BleedGreen1989.
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Pick 21 on the block
A 2nd and a 3rd and some pick swapping in later rounds will get you my first
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You are guaranteed to get Durant or CP3 with #3 come get it.
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You are guaranteed to get Fab with #19 come get it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohdQOUbQK_k
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Gotta put together my player rankings now. I wonder how close I can get to getting the top 25 players chosen?
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So, if I'm understanding correctly: Every GM is willing to trade their first rounder, so long as they get good value?
Shocking. :o
;)
(Unsolicited advice to McHales Pits: Don't get cute. Draft Lebron #1, put him next to at least one other star, and enjoy your championship. Don't trade out of the #1 under any circumstances.
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(Unsolicited advice to McHales Pits: Don't get cute. Draft Lebron #1, put him next to at least one other star, and enjoy your championship. Don't trade out of the #1 under any circumstances.
Good advice!!!
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So, if I'm understanding correctly: Every GM is willing to trade their first rounder, so long as they get good value?
Shocking. :o
;)
(Unsolicited advice to McHales Pits: Don't get cute. Draft Lebron #1, put him next to at least one other star, and enjoy your championship. Don't trade out of the #1 under any circumstances.
Haha!
Thanks for the usolicited advice. I was going to say my 1st rounder is definitely not available. So only 24/25 are...happy hunting though.
As for my "guaranteed" championship - here in Minnesota, we stress humility as a pillar in our culture. No one is going to give it to me, it must be earned. Drafting Lebron #1 certainly has its advantages as he is - without question in my mind - the most dominant basketball player in the game today. But in the remainder of the draft, it will be important to find players that can mesh with his game to form a complete team.
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I am - however - searching for someone willing to swap an early 3rd rounder for some of my later picks.
I'd be willing to give up my 4th/5th or if back-to-back picks are wanted (valuable chance to snag two players of your choice without waiting) I would give up my 5th/6th and a late rounder.
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I think I speak for gomesfan in saying we are not looking to move our 11th pick but listening to all offers. Thanks!
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Just did my top 25 players and it looks like the talent will be running hard all the way into the top of the third round.
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(Unsolicited advice to McHales Pits: Don't get cute. Draft Lebron #1, put him next to at least one other star, and enjoy your championship. Don't trade out of the #1 under any circumstances.
Good advice!!!
No, not good at all. You'll be drafting last the 2nd and 3rd. It'll be hard to find that "star" that Roy mentioned. Those guys are going to fly fast.
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(Unsolicited advice to McHales Pits: Don't get cute. Draft Lebron #1, put him next to at least one other star, and enjoy your championship. Don't trade out of the #1 under any circumstances.
Good advice!!!
No, not good at all. You'll be drafting last the 2nd and 3rd. It'll be hard to find that "star" that Roy mentioned. Those guys are going to fly fast.
Right, which is why he should try to trade up from his 2nd/3rd round picks.
Roy never said stand pat beyond the first overall pick.
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Wow you guys are telling me stuff I didn't know already...thanks ;)
Apologies for being a sarcastic jerk. As President/GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves, I have issued an undisclosed fine to myself.
I looked at last years draft to get an idea of which players went where (obviously without 12 months of hindsight).
I also have players in mind who would be great fits here in Minnesota and where I would likely be able to select them. I will do what is necessary to acquire those players or other players with similar skill sets.
Again - I am looking to acquire a mid/late 2nd Rd pick or an early 3rd rounder. I'm willing to give up the valuable back-to-back picks in the 5th/6th rounds. Send offers if interested.
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If I was someone picking in the top 3-4 of the draft, I would be trying to move 3rd and another pick to jump into the top of the 3rd or bottom of the 2nd round. I think people will be surprised at the quality of player that will still be available in that area.
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If I was someone picking in the top 3-4 of the draft, I would be trying to move 3rd and another pick to jump into the top of the 3rd or bottom of the 2nd round. I think people will be surprised at the quality of player that will still be available in that area.
I think their will be value even up to the 4th round.
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Wow you guys are telling me stuff I didn't know already...thanks ;)
Apologies for being a sarcastic jerk. As President/GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves, I have issued an undisclosed fine to myself.
I looked at last years draft to get an idea of which players went where (obviously without 12 months of hindsight).
I also have players in mind who would be great fits here in Minnesota and where I would likely be able to select them. I will do what is necessary to acquire those players or other players with similar skill sets.
Again - I am looking to acquire a mid/late 2nd Rd pick or an early 3rd rounder. I'm willing to give up the valuable back-to-back picks in the 5th/6th rounds. Send offers if interested.
I will also offer this same package and add cash considerations. (TPs) :D
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Wasn't there a 26th GM?
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Just out of curiosity, can I expect this to be another draft where there s a coaches draft, yet the coach doesn't actually have any bearing on anything?
If so, I refuse to participate in such non-sense. I'll be the defacto coach then.
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Just out of curiosity, can I expect this to be another draft where there s a coaches draft, yet the coach doesn't actually have any bearing on anything?
If so, I refuse to participate in such non-sense. I'll be the defacto coach then.
Yup, thats why I have always pushed for no coaches.
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Pick 21 on the block
A 2nd and a 3rd and some pick swapping in later rounds will get you my first
Have gotten a few offers. Some I move up and most I move down. I'll definitely be choosing one over the weekend. This pick is on the move, so keep the offers coming.
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Just out of curiosity, can I expect this to be another draft where there s a coaches draft, yet the coach doesn't actually have any bearing on anything?
If so, I refuse to participate in such non-sense. I'll be the defacto coach then.
Yup, thats why I have always pushed for no coaches.
Here here. Even though my coach made my arguments a bit stronger last year, he still wasnt a factor.
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I just made my first trade out of many to come. :)
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1.17 2.9 and so on available.
I'm looking to move up to the 5-10 range but I'll listen to offers outside that range as well. I'm targeting a certain guy not named Lebron or KD.
I'll be on here all weekend so feel free to fire away with offers.
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Kane and I have made a deal, Im overpaying, but I think it could be worth it to get a top notch star next to Durant or Lebron
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Remember nothing is official until I get confirmation from both parties. Also, you get only one trade before Monday's draft. Make it count
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Kane and I have made a deal, Im overpaying, but I think it could be worth it to get a top notch star next to Durant or Lebron
Based upon your experience, I doubt you're overpaying.
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Kane and I have made a deal, Im overpaying, but I think it could be worth it to get a top notch star next to Durant or Lebron
Based upon your experience, I doubt you're overpaying.
ehhhhhhh don't be to confident
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
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Kane and I have made a deal, Im overpaying, but I think it could be worth it to get a top notch star next to Durant or Lebron
Based upon your experience, I doubt you're overpaying.
ehhhhhhh don't be to confident
Haha. If Vegas was giving odds, you'd be the prohibitive favorite to at least make the Finals. Don't let me down.
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
Okay... so yeah, on paper, it's an overpay. ;)
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Yikes, I was apprehensive on pulling the trigger on the following deal:
1.21, 5.5 for 2.7, 3.7
Big overpay by Indi, but if they can get that second star it could be worth it.
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
Okay... so yeah, on paper, it's an overpay. ;)
That's a pretty brutal overpay, Rondo. You're gonna need a sweetheart deal to pickup the spare I think at some point. Maybe moving 1.21 for a better 2/3.
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Yikes, I was apprehensive on pulling the trigger on the following deal:
1.21, 5.5 for 2.7, 3.7
Big overpay by Indi, but if they can get that second star it could be worth it.
To be fair, the Jump from the end of the second round to the end of the first is a borderline allstar to depending how the draft goes a bottom tier superstar
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
I like Golden State's return. Pacers should be fine, but now can't afford to miss drafting their third starter in the fifth round.
Last year this would've been:
Al Horford (1.21), Marco Belinelli (11.21) and Tobias Harris (12.5 - Hat tip to EvanTime)
for
Steph Curry (2.24), Gerald Wallace (3.24), and Tyreke Evans (4.2)
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I didn't get the overpay either.
Unless of course Rondo feels the only way to beat Lebron was to have another top 20 player with Durant but even then, 3-5 on that team will be not so strong.
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I didn't get the overpay either.
Unless of course Rondo feels the only way to beat Lebron was to have another top 20 player with Durant but even then, 3-5 on that team will be not so strong.
I'm not so sure. Take a look at the DKC. SO's Oklahoma City is running away with the West pairing Durant and a rehabbing Westbrook with a bunch of mid-round talent.
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I didn't get the overpay either.
Unless of course Rondo feels the only way to beat Lebron was to have another top 20 player with Durant but even then, 3-5 on that team will be not so strong.
I'm not so sure. Take a look at the DKC. SO's Oklahoma City is running away with the West pairing Durant and a rehabbing Westbrook with a bunch of mid-round talent.
Good point. Also, there are some top 20 talents coming back from injury. It may cause some strange things to happen this first round and Rondo would be ready to pounce.
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I didn't get the overpay either.
Unless of course Rondo feels the only way to beat Lebron was to have another top 20 player with Durant but even then, 3-5 on that team will be not so strong.
I'm not so sure. Take a look at the DKC. SO's Oklahoma City is running away with the West pairing Durant and a rehabbing Westbrook with a bunch of mid-round talent.
Yeah but ideally the DKC mirrors more closely the actual NBA. This draft will have at least 1 super-team, and if looking at the draft last year, we had Chicago, whoever Roy's demon spawn of a team was, SO/KC's solid PDX, and I think I'm forgetting someone else too.
On top of that, I doubt Westbrook is there at 21, he was picked what..6th last year? If you have the 2nd overall and the 6th overall and don't pick again until the 5th round, you should still be able to field a pseudo-contender, if not an outright one.
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So...what's the over under on when the first person is that starts confusing their DKC team and their CB Draft team.
My money is on the 4th round.
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Yuck! Stuck in the middle and I got the fricken Milwaukee Bucks. Least interesting team ever.
I've got a soft spot for the Bucks and I've already run a couple of Texas teams. If the commissioner will sign off the deal, I'm up for an old fashioned franchise swap. You're at 1.14. I'm at 1.15. So wouldn't change much on the draft board. Let me know.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
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So...what's the over under on when the first person is that starts confusing their DKC team and their CB Draft team.
My money is on the 4th round.
Yeah, I have no idea what to do with my signature block right now.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
See not everything that Champkind says about me is true. (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=58943.0)
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
See not everything that Champkind says about me is true. (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=58943.0)
TP thanks!
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Yuck! Stuck in the middle and I got the fricken Milwaukee Bucks. Least interesting team ever.
I've got a soft spot for the Bucks and I've already run a couple of Texas teams. If the commissioner will sign off the deal, I'm up for an old fashioned franchise swap. You're at 1.14. I'm at 1.15. So wouldn't change much on the draft board. Let me know.
Sorry, no franchise switches. Been a long time CB Draft rule.
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Kane and I have made a deal, Im overpaying, but I think it could be worth it to get a top notch star next to Durant or Lebron
Based upon your experience, I doubt you're overpaying.
Lol!!! Hey Roy! I'm not exactly a rookie anymore lol. Why you doubting me?
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.5, and 12.21
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
Okay... so yeah, on paper, it's an overpay. ;)
Well isn't this game all about a teams outlook "on paper"? Well with a little salesmanship thrown in ;)
Also TP to Nick and Rondo
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TRADE CORRECTION
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.5, and 12.21
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
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Regarding the trades that have been confirmed. They appear to be rather large overpays but, I have repeated stated to shop trades, to seek advise and to think about these things.
If you are going to be your own worst enemy, I will allow that.
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
That is a GREAT trade by Memphis. They can probably parlay the 2 3's into a 2 and 4, then 2 4's into a 3 and 5 and so on..
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Regarding the trades that have been confirmed. They appear to be rather large overpays but, I have repeated stated to shop trades, to seek advise and to think about these things.
If you are going to be your own worst enemy, I will allow that.
I sometimes just do trades to do them.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Worst Pick: I typically avoid knocking a GM for unforeseeable injuries, but certain players carried major questions marks coming in to the season. Andrew Bynum (JSD 1.15) managed to be a distraction without playing a game in 2012-13. Otherwise I get a loud Bronx cheer for reaching on Anthony Davis (The Walker Wiggle 1.17).
Round 2
Best Pick: Edgar courting controversy with possibly the single best pick in the draft, Steph Curry (Edgar 2.24) Too bad he went 0-2 in the very next round.
Worst Pick: This won't get me in the commissioner's good graces, but Marcin Gortat (NickAgneta 2.17).
Round 3
Best Pick: Round 3 was RISKY. Nick do you forgive me? Paul George (NickAgneta 3.5). Runner up, Brook Lopez (CFF 3.2)?
Worst Pick: Did the Wizards ultimately field the league's worst team last summer or just receive the league's largest insurance pay out? Derrick Rose (JSD 3.1) To add insult to injury, Elton Brand aged gracefully into a solid 20 minute reserve big last season (JSD 3.24).
Round 4
Best Pick: Jrue Holiday (KC and SO 4.9)
Worst Pick: Anthony Randolph CONTINUES to climb up the draft board from where I drafted him in 2009. (Yoki 4.20). Dishonorable mention: Kris Humphries (RIPRED 4.19) and Andrea Bargnani (Yoki 4.13) Tough round for the Cavaliers.
Round 5
Best Pick: I just threw my arm out patting myself on the back. Klay Thompson (The Walker Wiggle 5.8 ) If I was less biased I'd consider George Hill (Rondo2287 5.11)
Worst Pick: Drafting an extra assistant coaches was a popular move in Round 5. Marcus Camby (TheTruthFor18 5.4) and Chauncey Billups (JGod213 5.13).
Round 6
Best Pick: Omer Asik (Who 6.13) and Andre Drummond (KC and SO 6.16).
Worst Pick: Drew Gooden (CFF 6.23). Because there's plenty of hard NBA evidence that Thomas Robinson (Yoki 6.21) has value as a trade throw in.
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Throwing it out there: 2.7 and 3.7 for a mid-to-high first.
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It always amazes me to see people shoot themselves in the foot before drafting even begins. Year after year...
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Trade
Golden State sends 1.21, 11.21, and 12.5
Indiana sends 2.24, 3.24, and 4.2
Thats a bit of an overpay to get another 1st IMO.
Go for two all stars and build from there I guess.
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LOL TWW....Funny thing about last year's team I had together at first...I hated it. hated everything about it, that's why I blew it up.
I was more happy with the crappy youngster squad I ended up with.
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
That is a GREAT trade by Memphis. They can probably parlay the 2 3's into a 2 and 4, then 2 4's into a 3 and 5 and so on..
Agree completely.
Having spent a couple years trying to trade up out of the 20's, I know it is nearly impossible to do it without giving up a boatload. Memphis did extremely well here
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Man... no love for Tony Parker at 1.20?
Also a career year, also 2nd team all-nba like Melo, and led his team to the Finals.
:'(
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
That is a GREAT trade by Memphis. They can probably parlay the 2 3's into a 2 and 4, then 2 4's into a 3 and 5 and so on..
Agree completely.
Having spent a couple years trying to trade up out of the 20's, I know it is nearly impossible to do it without giving up a boatload. Memphis did extremely well here
Was offered this deal by Chicago but liked indiana's deal more. My reasoning is that number three, IMO, isn't as clear cut like 1 is and 2 is. I'm guessing a certain pg is looked at as third overall and I feel the gap has narrowed between him and the others at his position to the extent it could be argued he's not the clear cut best at his position.
Guess it depends on who you think is third best overall after the two elite wings.
I think Chicago could end up on the better end of this if they use those assets wisely.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Man... no love for Tony Parker at 1.20?
Also a career year, also 2nd team all-nba like Melo, and led his team to the Finals.
:'(
Yeah that's pretty cold, TWW. Man, I can't stand when personal politics ruin these things!! ***SHAKES FIST***
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
That is a GREAT trade by Memphis. They can probably parlay the 2 3's into a 2 and 4, then 2 4's into a 3 and 5 and so on..
Agree completely.
Having spent a couple years trying to trade up out of the 20's, I know it is nearly impossible to do it without giving up a boatload. Memphis did extremely well here
Was offered this deal by Chicago but liked indiana's deal more. My reasoning is that number three, IMO, isn't as clear cut like 1 is and 2 is. I'm guessing a certain pg is looked at as third overall and I feel the gap has narrowed between him and the others at his position to the extent it could be argued he's not the clear cut best at his position.
Guess it depends on who you think is third best overall after the two elite wings.
I think Chicago could end up on the better end of this if they use those assets wisely.
Indiana's deal was safer. You're sending nothing back, and getting clear defined assets.
Chicago's deal is a tougher road to walk. You've gotta make 2 or 3 more trades if you're Memphis to really make that pan out. I think MVP though is a 5 man race (if you buy for a second that LeBron isn't already the by default winner) I think next year, and getting one of those guys is big.
If I had the 3rd overall pick though, I might try to turn a 3 into a 2, or a 4 into a 3 and move back a couple spots (literally, max 3 spots) to take one of the Tier 3 guys.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Man... no love for Tony Parker at 1.20?
Also a career year, also 2nd team all-nba like Melo, and led his team to the Finals.
:'(
Yeah that's pretty cold, TWW. Man, I can't stand when personal politics ruin these things!! ***SHAKES FIST***
haha ... TWW is awesome. i was just bustin chops.
Nowwww, can i sit at your table in the lunchroom Wiggle?
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Man... no love for Tony Parker at 1.20?
Also a career year, also 2nd team all-nba like Melo, and led his team to the Finals.
:'(
Yeah that's pretty cold, TWW. Man, I can't stand when personal politics ruin these things!! ***SHAKES FIST***
haha ... TWW is awesome. i was just bustin chops.
Nowwww, can i sit at your table in the lunchroom Wiggle?
Classic Stockholm Syndrome. So sad. Just like Patty Hearst.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Man... no love for Tony Parker at 1.20?
Also a career year, also 2nd team all-nba like Melo, and led his team to the Finals.
I can admit when I'm wrong Tony Parker (GC 1.20) was a great pick. I'm now just one more guy guilty of underestimating TP.
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Can someone post a link to last year's draft so I can get an idea of what players are valued at around here?
Or maybe you want the Cliff Notes?
Round 1
Best Pick: Carmelo Anthony (GomesFan 1.22) in a career year.
Worst Pick: I typically avoid knocking a GM for unforeseeable injuries, but certain players carried major questions marks coming in to the season. Andrew Bynum (JSD 1.15) managed to be a distraction without playing a game in 2012-13. Otherwise I get a loud Bronx cheer for reaching on Anthony Davis (The Walker Wiggle 1.17).
Round 2
Best Pick: Edgar courting controversy with possibly the single best pick in the draft, Steph Curry (Edgar 2.24) Too bad he went 0-2 in the very next round.
Worst Pick: This won't get me in the commissioner's good graces, but Marcin Gortat (NickAgneta 2.17).
Round 3
Best Pick: Round 3 was RISKY. Nick do you forgive me? Paul George (NickAgneta 3.5). Runner up, Brook Lopez (CFF 3.2)?
Worst Pick: Did the Wizards ultimately field the league's worst team last summer or just receive the league's largest insurance pay out? Derrick Rose (JSD 3.1) To add insult to injury, Elton Brand aged gracefully into a solid 20 minute reserve big last season (JSD 3.24).
Round 4
Best Pick: Jrue Holiday (KC and SO 4.9)
Worst Pick: Anthony Randolph CONTINUES to climb up the draft board from where I drafted him in 2009. (Yoki 4.20). Dishonorable mention: Kris Humphries (RIPRED 4.19) and Andrea Bargnani (Yoki 4.13) Tough round for the Cavaliers.
Round 5
Best Pick: I just threw my arm out patting myself on the back. Klay Thompson (The Walker Wiggle 5.8 ) If I was less biased I'd consider George Hill (Rondo2287 5.11)
Worst Pick: Drafting an extra assistant coaches was a popular move in Round 5. Marcus Camby (TheTruthFor18 5.4) and Chauncey Billups (JGod213 5.13).
Round 6
Best Pick: Omer Asik (Who 6.13) and Andre Drummond (KC and SO 6.16).
Worst Pick: Drew Gooden (CFF 6.23). Because there's plenty of hard NBA evidence that Thomas Robinson (Yoki 6.21) has value as a trade throw in.
The only way you got yourself to compliment our team that much was because you must have thought SO made all those picks. ;D
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The Late Gems
Round 7: Evantime34 Damian Lillard
Round 8: Kane3387 Jamal Crawford
Round 9: IP Chandler Parsons
Round 10: JSD/Ronaldo943 Greivis Vasquez
Round 11: Riah32 Vince Carter
Round 12: IP Nikola Vucevic and Evantime34 Tobias Harris
Round 13: Riah32 Larry Sanders and Yoki Jimmy Butler
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Round 6
Best Pick: Omer Asik (Who 6.13) and Andre Drummond (KC and SO 6.16).
J.R. Smith should also be up there as he was Sixth Man of the Year. (JSD/Ronaldo)
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In hindsight, I was pretty proud of my crappy young team last year. I said they might some day have a bunch of great players on that team and I still believe that.
Jeremy Lin/Rodrique Beaubois
Courtney Lee/Austin Rivers
Harrison Barnes/Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Kenneth Faried/John Henson/Donatas Montiejunas
Serge Ibaka/Jonas Valanciunas/Chris Andersen/Ekpe Udoh
Yeah the guards sucked but tell me in 2-3 years you wouldn't kill to have all those forwards and centers on your team?
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The Late Gems
Round 7: Evantime34 Damian Lillard
Round 8: Kane3387 Jamal Crawford
Round 9: IP Chandler Parsons
Round 10: JSD/Ronaldo943 Greivis Vasquez
Round 11: Riah32 Vince Carter
Round 12: IP Nikola Vucevic and Evantime34 Tobias Harris
Round 13: Riah32 Larry Sanders and Yoki Jimmy Butler
Actually Yoki picked Jimmy Butler on my direction. Bulls for the win!!
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TRADE
Chicago sends 1.3. 3.23, 5.23
Memphis sends 1.20, 2.6, 4.20
That is a GREAT trade by Memphis. They can probably parlay the 2 3's into a 2 and 4, then 2 4's into a 3 and 5 and so on..
Brutally bad trade for Chicago.
That said, nobody should be accepting two thirds for a 2nd and a 4th.
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Looking to trade my 2 4th rounders for a 3rd and a 5th. 8) (Though trade won't be completed until Monday.)
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Fine I'll give my reasoning behind the trade as I've gotten mixed reactions. #3 will likely be a PG (who to be honest I think at this point is overrated) and there is 8 PGs in the Top 20. Second I was able to turn 3.23 to 2.6 (I moved up 43 spots.) I also moved up 28 spots from 5.23 to 4.20, but those weren't as valuable.
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Looking to buy a late 1st. 2nd and 4th are in the table...would discuss other picks as well.
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I would have kept #3 and built around the game's best center or the game's best SG(probably center as winning basketball is about defense and rebounding), but that's just me as I really do not value PGs very highly in this game. If I did move #3, as IP said, it would only have been a few slots.
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I'm still willing to move #4 if anyone is interested...
Word is everybody wants to trade with me in these kind of games. ALthough some may disagree.
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I'm still willing to move #4 if anyone is interested...
Word is everybody wants to trade with me in these kind of games. ALthough some may disagree.
I think the DKC has proven that with some self control and patience, you can be an excellent GM.
Ask advise and shop those trades.
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I'm still willing to move #4 if anyone is interested...
Word is everybody wants to trade with me in these kind of games. ALthough some may disagree.
I think the DKC has proven that with some self control and patience, you can be an excellent GM.
Ask advise and shop those trades.
And remember, when someone asks you if you're a god, YOU SAY YES!
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Pretty sure the only time I had a Top 10 pick, I traded down.
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Y'all need to start getting in your reservations for the CB Bar and Lounge as that is going to be the after party once I am crowned the CB Draft champion. 8)
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Hey everyone. I just moved to a new house and I am unfortunately without Internet and quality cell service. I am going to need someone to take over the wizards. I am sorry and its a bummer I can't play this year.
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So any of you guys that are full time coGMs want to have a franchise on your own?
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1st and 2nd on the block
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Looking to potentially move down. Offering 1.23
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Whats up everyone!!!
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I noticed that IP missed mentioning the excellent Detroit team that Lucky and I assembled last year.
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Hey everyone. I just moved to a new house and I am unfortunately without Internet and quality cell service. I am going to need someone to take over the wizards. I am sorry and its a bummer I can't play this year.
Just because you have the last pick doesn't mean you have to quit on everybody...
JK, best of luck with your new digs!
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Looking to pick up another 2nd. Have my 3rd and a later pick to play around with.
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Won't have any time today really (family weekend trip) so can I go ahead and just co-sign any trades my co-GM may make today?
I'd hate for us to miss out because I simply can't get online to "approve" it.
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As coGMs, I only need confirmation on trades from one of you, not both.
Also, we have a franchise opening. If any of you guys that are full-time co-GMs want to take it over it is yours. I will advertise for a new GM but if I can't get a GM by Monday morning, I might dissolve that team and make the Milwaukee Bucks the Washington Wizards to ensure all divisions have 4 teams.
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TRADE
Houston sends: 1.23 and 5.3
Los Angeles Clippers send: 2.15 and 3.15
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TRADE
Houston sends: 1.23 and 5.3
Los Angeles Clippers send: 2.15 and 3.15
I like this for Houston
They still have their 1st pick just a few slots later, and gain an additional pick in the 2nd and 3rd.
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Awww Clip Show! i'd have done that trade and I'm one pick higher!
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Anyone looking to trade down their first pm me. :)
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Anyone looking to trade down their first pm me. :)
Can't you not do a second deal before Monday?
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Anyone looking to trade down their first pm me. :)
Can't you not do a second deal before Monday?
No I can't, but deal can go through on Monday.
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Anyone looking to trade down their first pm me. :)
Can't you not do a second deal before Monday?
That's right. We can still discuss trades and verbally agree to it and then hold off until Monday to send it to the commish, though.
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If you want the #4 I'm willing to move down in the 1st round (due to laundry constrains).
Or I can just pay you money to do my laundry. Either way, we both win.
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ANNOUNCEMENT
The Washington Wizards will be remaining a team in the CB Draft and the new GM is:
RebusRankin
Thank you to Rebus for saving me a ton of editing work and best of luck!!!
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Welcome Rebus!!
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I will be sending one sided trade offers to all. ;D ;D
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Welcome Rebus!!
Best possible outcome.
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TRADE
Houston sends: 1.23 and 5.3
Los Angeles Clippers send: 2.15 and 3.15
I like this for Houston
They still have their 1st pick just a few slots later, and gain an additional pick in the 2nd and 3rd.
Houston gave us the 23 pick. We (the clips) have 2 first round picks.
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TRADE
Houston sends: 1.23 and 5.3
Los Angeles Clippers send: 2.15 and 3.15
I like this for Houston
They still have their 1st pick just a few slots later, and gain an additional pick in the 2nd and 3rd.
Houston gave us the 23 pick. We (the clips) have 2 first round picks.
I think he implied that 2.3 was their other first pick.
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Ohh. But the clippers now have 11 and 23 in the first round listening to all offers.
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Also trying to get some feedback of the deal. What does everyone think.
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Also trying to get some feedback of the deal. What does everyone think.
You could have had the same deal with your first round pick being one spot higher. Ask around before you commit. ;D
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SAS shopping their third round pick with interest in dealing either up in to the second or back into the fourth.
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I was offered that trade nobody else offered. We weren't really out shopping
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I was offered that trade nobody else offered. We weren't really out shopping
I think what KC is saying is that if somebody offers you a deal you like, it doesn't hurt to ask a couple other GMs if they can offer you something better. With no urgency to do a trade, shopping around is very good advice, I'd say.
It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
Well, you did something right, putting together last year's second best team. I thought for sure the All-American Good Guys were going to be our Waterloo.
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
Well, you did something right, putting together last year's second best team. I thought for sure the All-American Good Guys were going to be our Waterloo.
You sir, dodged a bullet. But we'll see if I can A) do it again from a similar spot B) Convince SO to come out of retirement. It's hard bringin the funny and the good at the same time, switching roles made it easier.
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
Well, you did something right, putting together last year's second best team. I thought for sure the All-American Good Guys were going to be our Waterloo.
Agreed. I thought the 1) Chicago 2) Portland 3) Edgar's ghosts were a pretty clad in stone heirarchy.
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
Well, you did something right, putting together last year's second best team. I thought for sure the All-American Good Guys were going to be our Waterloo.
Agreed. I thought the 1) Chicago 2) Portland 3) Edgar's ghosts were a pretty clad in stone heirarchy.
It's amazing how you guys remember all these teams from years past
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It's not a bad deal, but I think KC is offering good advice.
Said someone for the first time ever.
Well, you did something right, putting together last year's second best team. I thought for sure the All-American Good Guys were going to be our Waterloo.
Agreed. I thought the 1) Chicago 2) Portland 3) Edgar's ghosts were a pretty clad in stone heirarchy.
It's amazing how you guys remember all these teams from years past
Well, in IP's case, the teams are seared into his memory because they've dealt him crushing defeats.
In the case of other GMs, it's probably because they dedicate dozens and dozens of hours each year to putting their teams togethers. There's a lot of institutional knowledge here. (For instance, IP's institutional knowledge is "How to put together an overrated contender, only to see it all come crashing down in the Finals.)
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All I know is the Boston all star big three of Russell Westbrook, Blake griffin, and Marc gasol got hosed. No way bosh could handle Blake and Marc inside.
Lol IP worked some of his illusionary hocus pocus to hypnotize ppl. Only Roy does it better haha. Helps to have Bron tho ;).
Not hating either. I was definitely trying to take notes.
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All I know is the Boston all star big three of Russell Westbrook, Blake griffin, and Marc gasol got hosed. No way bosh could handle Blake and Marc inside.
Lol IP worked some of his illusionary hocus pocus to hypnotize ppl. Only Roy does it better haha. Helps to have Bron tho ;).
Not hating either. I was definitely trying to take notes.
Jrue Holiday (all-star)/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Tiago Splitter/Nikola Vucevic
There wasn't a team in the league that could touch that, kids. Keep dreamin. The only hocus pocus being performed is everyone's ability to misremember my GM skills as persuasion skills.
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There wasn't a team in the league that could touch that, kids. Keep dreamin. The only hocus pocus being performed is everyone's ability to misremember my GM skills as persuasion skills.
(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)
Kiss 'em.
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All I know is the Boston all star big three of Russell Westbrook, Blake griffin, and Marc gasol got hosed. No way bosh could handle Blake and Marc inside.
Lol IP worked some of his illusionary hocus pocus to hypnotize ppl. Only Roy does it better haha. Helps to have Bron tho ;).
Not hating either. I was definitely trying to take notes.
Jrue Holiday (all-star)/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Tiago Splitter/Nikola Vucevic
There wasn't a team in the league that could touch that, kids. Keep dreamin. The only hocus pocus being performed is everyone's ability to misremember my GM skills as persuasion skills.
This was by far the deepest team in the league last summer.
EDIT: Well, Parsons, Vucevic, and Butler were all unproven back then. But in hindsight it was the deepest.
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All I know is the Boston all star big three of Russell Westbrook, Blake griffin, and Marc gasol got hosed. No way bosh could handle Blake and Marc inside.
Lol IP worked some of his illusionary hocus pocus to hypnotize ppl. Only Roy does it better haha. Helps to have Bron tho ;).
Not hating either. I was definitely trying to take notes.
Jrue Holiday (all-star)/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Tiago Splitter/Nikola Vucevic
There wasn't a team in the league that could touch that, kids. Keep dreamin. The only hocus pocus being performed is everyone's ability to misremember my GM skills as persuasion skills.
This was by far the deepest team in the league last summer.
EDIT: Well, Parsons, Vucevic, and Butler were all unproven back then. But in hindsight it was the deepest.
Deepest, but not the best. Especially when the starting big men were Bosh + Young.
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All I know is the Boston all star big three of Russell Westbrook, Blake griffin, and Marc gasol got hosed. No way bosh could handle Blake and Marc inside.
Lol IP worked some of his illusionary hocus pocus to hypnotize ppl. Only Roy does it better haha. Helps to have Bron tho ;).
Not hating either. I was definitely trying to take notes.
Jrue Holiday (all-star)/Jarret Jack
Dwyane Wade/Jimmy Butler
Paul Pierce/Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh/Thad Young
Tiago Splitter/Nikola Vucevic
There wasn't a team in the league that could touch that, kids. Keep dreamin. The only hocus pocus being performed is everyone's ability to misremember my GM skills as persuasion skills.
This was by far the deepest team in the league last summer.
EDIT: Well, Parsons, Vucevic, and Butler were all unproven back then. But in hindsight it was the deepest.
Deepest, but not the best. Especially when the starting big men were Bosh + Young.
Exactly and it's not like many teams have big rotations in the playoffs. Superstar talent almost always wins out against depth in the playoffs.
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Completely forgot I won team of the future in 2011.
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FWIW, not only did SO and I have the best team, we had the best press conferences and write ups
To be completed.
THE LOS ANGELES LAKERSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
INTRO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4OvY0_4l-o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4OvY0_4l-o)
ROSTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1fiJMQV8Mc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1fiJMQV8Mc)
C:Al Horford/ Nick Collison/ Chris Wicox
PF :LaMarcus Alridge/Chris Wilcox/ Al-Faruq Aminu
SF:Rudy Gay/ Carlos Delfino/ Dahntay Jones/ Al-Faruq Aminu
SG: Tony Allen/ Marshaun Brooks/ Dion Waiters
PG: Kyle Lowry/ Devin Harris/ Dion Waiters.
STRATEGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU)
You might have noticed, our team is really athletic. Like super human athletic with a super-human work ethic and commitment to defense and leadership to boot. But as for actual strategy, we're going to run a lot of pick and rolls as we have two bigs who excel in that situation as well as a remarkable facilitator in Lowry. Gay will have his fair share of isos and Tony just wants to play defense and run, so he's fine. Our bench is filled athletic productive role players who are, by and large, very good team first players.
Quick question, how many of you have a starting Point guard for a playoff team as your back up PG? I see you guy with Ramon Sessions on your team. Come to the front of the class.
*High fives that guy*
Rest of the class? Dismissed. But really, ask more specific questions, we'll give you more specific answers.
HARDEST DECISION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJMTmz7pkg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJMTmz7pkg)
Gambling on taking Nene and taking the " draft a guy so we can move him for a need" strategy. we thought there was a legitimate chance it might backfire, but both SO and I love Rudy Gay, so it turned out to be awesome.
BEST MOVE
(http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/pr49234,1234830616,Explosions25.jpg)ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!(http://www.allmystery.de/dateien/pr49234,1234830616,Explosions25.jpg)
OUTLOOK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd2zhPN5-Es (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd2zhPN5-Es)
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Already made my one trade before the draft but can still negotiate others.
I don't have a first, but I do have two seconds, two thirds, and two fourths.
Shoot me a PM if you're interested in talking deal.
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Gomesfan and I think we are in tremendous shape for a good draft. Having two 1st rounders and the chance at two top 23 guys in the league is a great start.
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I really wanted to take one last shot at this draft with Rondo as I think we made an excellent team, but I think I like laying back, watching the fun, commenting and judging the teams rather than the whole process that putting these together and garnering votes is all about.
I think I have probably played in my last draft on this site. I just get more satisfaction being a commissioner or panelist or observer.
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I really wanted to take one last shot at this draft with Rondo as I think we made an excellent team, but I think I like laying back, watching the fun, commenting and judging the teams rather than the whole process that putting these together and garnering votes is all about.
I think I have probably played in my last draft on this site. I just get more satisfaction being a commissioner or panelist or observer.
Don't worry Nick, I will win it for both of us.
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Already made my one trade before the draft but can still negotiate others.
I don't have a first, but I do have two seconds, two thirds, and two fourths.
Shoot me a PM if you're interested in talking deal.
Updated the Signature. Should help.
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I really wanted to take one last shot at this draft with Rondo as I think we made an excellent team, but I think I like laying back, watching the fun, commenting and judging the teams rather than the whole process that putting these together and garnering votes is all about.
I think I have probably played in my last draft on this site. I just get more satisfaction being a commissioner or panelist or observer.
Hope this isn't true. Lol while you were always tough as nails in trade negotiations it be disappointing to no longer see you in the CB Draft as a combatant.
TP and thank you for all the commissioner work.
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Washington is hoping two players drop to them at 25 and 26.
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Washington is hoping two players drop to them at 25 and 26.
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More like:
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TRADE
Miami sends 1.22 4.22, and 7.4
Los Angeles Lakers send 2.14, 3.14 and 6.12
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Bring it, Clips. Battle of LA is on.
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Just made a top 50 list and knowing that I will be getting 3 of those players makes me happy. :)
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Willing to move both seconds for a 1st and a 4th.
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Gomesfan and I think we are in tremendous shape for a good draft. Having two 1st rounders and the chance at two top 23 guys in the league is a great start.
Agreed!
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AB_Celtic check PMs.
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Looking to maybe move back in the 1st,PM me trade offers...TPs to be had.
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Looking to maybe move back in the 1st,PM me trade offers...TPs to be had.
It would help if you had your picks in your sig.
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AB_Celtic check PMs.
Didn't get anything from you, ron.
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Looking to move up into mid-2nd round. Have 3.3 to offer. Along with a later pick.
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Bring it, Clips. Battle of LA is on.
Gladly.
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Woop woop! Draft day begins boys and girls!
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Pick 1.21 is up for sale.
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This should be a very interesting day
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Expecting a lot of trades today.
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Expecting a lot of trades today.
Once picks start going down and people start seeing who is dropping, I think the trading for 2nd rounders might get intense or people who traded for some of those late 1st rounders might get a deal they just can't refuse given the overpay they may receive to get back into the first round.
We will see.
Me I have some really excellent talent(good enough to be a 1st or 2nd best player on a contender) going all the way down well into the second round and top level talent (fringe All-Star good) going all the way into the fourth round). Those 2nd and 3rd level tiers are really deep this year.
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Want another first rounder?
1.17 and 5.9 for your 2nd and 3rd rounders?
2nd and 3rd in the 1-15 range if possible.
PM me with offers or any other trade ideas.
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Just a heads up. The Clippers are always taking offers, so if you have one send one mine or gomesfan way!
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If everybody ahead of our picks could just go ahead and announce who they were selecting right now, that'd be great. Please and thank you.
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Report: LeBron James' agent currently meeting with Minnesota Timberwolves front office. A press conference has been scheduled for 10 AM. More to come...
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Nick can Mchales Pits pick now or does he have to wait?
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Pick 1.21 is up for sale.
Interested in a 4th/5th?
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I think everyone is ready to get started. It did say in the rules that you could make your selection before the time slot - so I'm just going to go for it.
The Minnesota Timberwolves are proud to select Lebron James with the first pick of the 2013 CB Draft. {Insert mental image of Lebron shaking my hand while holding a white #1 T-Wolves jersey with black, blue, and green trim}
Front Office Quote: "We are very fortunate that we have the opportunity to select number one overall and there is no choice better than Lebron James. He is the most dominant player in the NBA and he continues to work harder than anyone else in the game to grow his already expansive basketball abilities. We have no doubt that he is the right pick and we will look to build a championship contender around him by selecting players to complement his game"
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Aaaaand we're off.
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Think we all know whos next. Send in your offers guys. Would be willing to move any and all picks.
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ITS TIME!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JF8oSxXtM)
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I think everyone is ready to get started. It did say in the rules that you could make your selection before the time slot - so I'm just going to go for it.
The Minnesota Timberwolves are proud to select Lebron James with the first pick of the 2013 CB Draft. {Insert mental image of Lebron shaking my hand while holding a white #1 T-Wolves jersey with black, blue, and green trim}
Front Office Quote: "We are very fortunate that we have the opportunity to select number one overall and there is no choice better than Lebron James. He is the most dominant player in the NBA and he continues to work harder than anyone else in the game to grow his already expansive basketball abilities. We have no doubt that he is the right pick and we will look to build a championship contender around him by selecting players to complement his game"
For a new poster, there's something eerily familiar about the writing.
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With the 2nd pick in the 1st round of 2013 CB Draft the Indiana Pacers select:
KEVIN DURANT
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Well, the first two picks don't come as a stunner whatsoever. Now is where it really gets interesting. Good luck everyone!
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
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Really? Where from?
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Really? Where from?
KGs Knees.
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
I did, I just threw it out again in case they missed it before.
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
I did, I just threw it out again in case they missed it before.
A 1 + 2 + 3 for a higher 1?
I'm not sure if that's in your best interests.
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I'm here and still will listen to offers for #4, which is due in 30 minutes.
I would atleast ask for a later 1st rounder to hasten up negotiations.
And BTW, now that the 2 automatics have been selected. The game is officially ON!
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
I did, I just threw it out again in case they missed it before.
A 1 + 2 + 3 for a higher 1?
I'm not sure if that's in your best interests.
I don't like vetoes but a 1st 2nd and 3rd rounder for a higher 1st might be veto worthy.
But if players are going to kill their teams, I am going to let them.
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
I did, I just threw it out again in case they missed it before.
A 1 + 2 + 3 for a higher 1?
I'm not sure if that's in your best interests.
Of course I wouldn't do that. I'm just saying they are available to make the deal work for even number of picks. Like the 1,2,3 round picks for 1,3,5 someone did earlier.
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Really? Where from?
KGs Knees.
Well...I can 100% guarantee that I am not him. Of course there no way for me to prove it to you, but you can take my word for what it's worth.
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Wish this ball would get rolling. I am excited to see whos picking who.
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Memphis has until 11:20. For those unfamiliar with the draft, waiting on GMs to get their pick in is part of what happens.
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Oh I am just going to be so useless at work this week.
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Picks 3 (if you haven't picked) through 6 or 7, PM me if you want to move to 1.17 and I can include my 2nd and 3rd.
You should of said this earlier.
I did, I just threw it out again in case they missed it before.
A 1 + 2 + 3 for a higher 1?
I'm not sure if that's in your best interests.
I don't like vetoes but a 1st 2nd and 3rd rounder for a higher 1st might be veto worthy.
But if players are going to kill their teams, I am going to let them.
nooooooo don't veto. Hate the player, not the game!
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To me there is about 4-5 guys worthy of being picked third overall.
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Wish this ball would get rolling. I am excited to see whos picking who.
Yeah same here alot of guys are on, but they are probably exploring trades or still don't know who to pick.
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Wish this ball would get rolling. I am excited to see whos picking who.
Sorry y'all... I was flipping a coin, but it landed on it's side.
Memphis Grizzzz are pleased to select:
Chris Paul, PG
^^ just a reminder for new folk -- please put your pick in RED it helps the Commish and other GMs scan the thread.
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10 more minutes before I pick, send them offers if you guys have.
I can move down the 1st round and watch SummerSlam again while waiting for my pick.
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Just a reminder regarding the last minute trade policy.
If you are going to do a last minute trade, select the player the GM trading into the slot would want and then submit the trade with the player into the office.
After the pick is made, pulling out of such a trade is a big no-no. If PMs can be shown you agreed to such a trade, the trade will go through.
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It will be interesting to see how the next few picks play out. So many options.
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Im here and I got three minutes, just fielding up some offers...
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Time is up kind of lucky that Rondo Show is not on yet.
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If PMs can be shown you agreed to such a trade, the trade will go through.
That is an interesting new wrinkle. We've never had renege insurance before.
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2 2nds and a 4th for your 1st 3rd and fifth if you're in the next three to four picks.
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Just about done confirming a trade, will pick in the next 2 minutes.
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If PMs can be shown you agreed to such a trade, the trade will go through.
That is an interesting new wrinkle. We've never had renege insurance before.
Only in last minute trade agreements where someone agrees to trade for another player last minute and then pulls out after the pick is made. It may not have been a part of the rules, but I think it a good deterent against doing such things.
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If PMs can be shown you agreed to such a trade, the trade will go through.
That is an interesting new wrinkle. We've never had renege insurance before.
How much I like this deal depends on what " agrees" means. What happens if I send multiple similar offers out and both people send in the quote of the initial offer?
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Did anyone get a list from Rondo Show as he can pick now.
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Just about done confirming a trade, will pick in the next 2 minutes.
Just a reminder -- to be confirmed by the commish -- but it CBD's past if you go past your time the next GM can pick.
So, with last-minute trades, you're much better off selecting the player your trade partner wants then submitting the deal with players instead of the pick.
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Not sure if anyone here is evil enough to do this: but GM1 could certainly agree to a trade, have GM2 draft "GM1's guy" to prevent GM2 from picking "GM1's real guy" and then GM1 could back out and draft his real guy later.
I like the assurance nick is suggesting.
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Just about done confirming a trade, will pick in the next 2 minutes.
Just a reminder -- to be confirmed by the commish -- but it CBD's past if you go past your time the next GM can pick.
So, with last-minute trades, you're much better off selecting the player your trade partner wants then submitting the deal with players instead of the pick.
Yeah, but my trade partner hasnt replied! >:(
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Wow. Pick #6 might get the 3rd best player in the draft..
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Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
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I have fitzhickey's picks @ 6 riah's pick @ 7
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Just about done confirming a trade, will pick in the next 2 minutes.
Just a reminder -- to be confirmed by the commish -- but it CBD's past if you go past your time the next GM can pick.
So, with last-minute trades, you're much better off selecting the player your trade partner wants then submitting the deal with players instead of the pick.
Yeah, but my trade partner hasnt replied! >:(
then you're playing with fire... at this point both OKC and DAL can skip you :o
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This is nutty.
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I have fitzhickey's picks @ 6 riah's pick @ 7
Guessing you'll wait until 11:50 for fitzhickey's?
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Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
25 SECONDS LATE!
Seriously though, great pick. I'd arguably take him ahead of CP3 even. The SG is the shallowest position in the NBA today, and with age/injury catching up to the old guard, Harden should be unanimously considered the best player at that position. His scoring efficiency is crazy good...
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Just a reminder from the rules post -- in case anyone forgot:
If you're pick is posted as happening at 11:20 am, then you have until 11:19:59 am to make your pick. After that, the following person can jump in and pick. If the person before you drafting picks at 11:05 am, you can make your pick right away.
Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
25 SECONDS LATE!
Seriously though, great pick. I'd arguably take him ahead of CP3 even. The SG is the shallowest position in the NBA today, and with age/injury catching up to Kobe and Wade, Harden should be unanimously considered the best player at that position. His scoring efficiency is crazy good...
I very seriously considered Harden over CP3, but Paul has done it for 6 years straight, Harden for 1.
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FTR, I was the guy Yoki was talking to that left him hanging. Right when we agreed to the trade I had a customer come in, and well, "Gimme a second, I got this fantasy draft thingy" isn't a valid thing to say.
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Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
25 SECONDS LATE!
Seriously though, great pick. I'd arguably take him ahead of CP3 even. The SG is the shallowest position in the NBA today, and with age/injury catching up to the old guard, Harden should be unanimously considered the best player at that position. His scoring efficiency is crazy good...
He was actually 10 minutes late you are suppose to pick before your alotted time.
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FTR, I was the guy Yoki was talking to that left him hanging. Right when we agreed to the trade I had a customer come in, and well, "Gimme a second, I got this fantasy draft thingy" isn't a valid thing to say.
It is if you have your priorities in order IP
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Does Rondo Show get an auto select pick by commish?
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Does Rondo Show get an auto select pick by commish?
that was what happened the last 2 years IIRC, in case that franchise had to be put under new ownership.
yes:
5) If you miss a pick in the first two rounds the Commissioner will pick the best player available at his discretion and begin actively searching for a new GM for the team. You may contact the Commish and petition to remain in the game. In the event that a replacement owner cannot be found, the Commissioner will take over drafting duties until one is found.
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.142162!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-kevin-durant-dunks-jpg.jpg)
Sorry for the belated introduction, but very happy to have Durant as part of the Pacers.
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Does Rondo Show get an auto select pick by commish?
I was giving him some extra time since I have the next 2 picks in hand for those GMs.
TRS has not been on since last night so he has another minute or so before I designate a player for him and then he better have a good excuse for missing a first round pick.
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Okay, the next question now is...
Who wants James Harden?
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 5th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
DWIGHT HOWARD
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Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
25 SECONDS LATE!
Seriously though, great pick. I'd arguably take him ahead of CP3 even. The SG is the shallowest position in the NBA today, and with age/injury catching up to the old guard, Harden should be unanimously considered the best player at that position. His scoring efficiency is crazy good...
Co-sign. Paul is the better player, but with so few difference makers at shooting guard, James Harden should make building out the rest of the Nuggets squad that much easier.
Of course, fun fact, for our first time GMs, he went 2.2 last year, something to keep in mind when four or five other GMs are holding court on your picks.
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With the 6th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
TONY PARKER
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He was actually 10 minutes late you are suppose to pick before your alotted time.
Oh, I misinterpreted the times then. I thought the time meant when you can start submitting your pick, not when your pick is due by.
With the 6th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
TONY PARKER
Those participating in the DKC league should be well aware on my stance on Parker: O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D
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Okay since i'm on the clock and there are no more offers I will select.
With the 4th pick in the 2013 CB Draft, the Mile High City Nuggets select...
James Harden
25 SECONDS LATE!
Seriously though, great pick. I'd arguably take him ahead of CP3 even. The SG is the shallowest position in the NBA today, and with age/injury catching up to the old guard, Harden should be unanimously considered the best player at that position. His scoring efficiency is crazy good...
Co-sign. Paul is the better player, but with so few difference makers at shooting guard, James Harden should make building out the rest of the Nuggets squad that much easier.
Of course, fun fact, for our first time GMs, he went 2.2 last year, something to keep in mind when four or five other guys are holding court on your pick.
yeah and some dude named THE Walker Wiggle picked Anthony Davis 9 spots ahead of him. 8)
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With the 7th pick of the 1st round of the CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
CARMELO ANTHONY
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With the 6th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
TONY PARKER
Whoah, didnt have him pegged top 10
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With the 6th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
TONY PARKER
whaaaaaattttttt
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Parker is the first surprising pick to me. Everything else makes sense.
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Parker is a top 10 player smart move by Dallas.
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I like Parker.
You know he is healthy
You now he can play like an MVP candidate.
He has title credentials.
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Parker is a top 10 player smart move by Dallas.
A little DKC influence there, folks.
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Nice to see Melo has reaffirmed himself as a top-7 player. He went what..18th last year?
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I like Parker.
You know he is healthy
You now he can play like an MVP candidate.
He has title credentials.
Meh I dunno, I think he's outside looking in on the top 20
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Meh I think he's outside looking in on the top 20
Agreed.
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Nice to see Melo has reaffirmed himself as a top-7 player. He went what..18th last year?
Melo went 22nd last year, Parker jumped up.
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Nice to see Melo has reaffirmed himself as a top-7 player. He went what..18th last year?
Parker and Melo both made big jumps from last year.
Round 1 - Monday, July 23rd:
20 (20) 3:20 PM New Orleans Hornets – Gainesville Celtic Tony Parker
21 (21) 3:30 PM L.A. Lakers - KCattheStripe/StartOrien PLAYER NOT YET PICKED
22 (22) 3:40 PM New York Knicks – GomesFan Carmelo Anthony
And FWIW, i had parker in my top 10 last year (as I did again this year) so i was S-T-O-K-E-D to get him at #20 in 2012, and think DAL took him only a few spots too high this year.
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Parker! yes yes yes... be fancy!!!! Make a splash! Now is the time!
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In the playoffs last year parker was pretty amazing throughout. He played like a top five player and has been pretty special the last two seasons carrying the Spurs.
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Parker is a top 10 player smart move by Dallas.
A little DKC influence there, folks.
Not at all most NBA experts have him at top 10 and alot at #4 behind CP3.
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Parker is a top 10 player smart move by Dallas.
A little DKC influence there, folks.
Not at all most NBA experts have him at top 10 and alot at #4 behind CP3.
Never said it wasn't true, just saying that you spoke up about it because of the DKC.
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In the playoffs last year parker was pretty amazing throughout. He played like a top five player and has been pretty special the last two seasons carrying the Spurs.
It helps being seen as a top 5 player in last season's playoffs when a lot of big names were absent from the competition.
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
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In the playoffs last year parker was pretty amazing throughout. He played like a top five player and has been pretty special the last two seasons carrying the Spurs.
It helps being seen as a top 5 player in last season's playoffs when a lot of big names were absent from the competition.
No it helps leading your team to the Finals and practically winning if it wasnt for Ginobili's choke job.
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In the playoffs last year parker was pretty amazing throughout. He played like a top five player and has been pretty special the last two seasons carrying the Spurs.
It helps being seen as a top 5 player in last season's playoffs when a lot of big names were absent from the competition.
FWIW --- Parker wasn't just seen as top-5 in the playoffs.
Mr. Parker finished #5 and #6 in the last 2 *regular season* MVP votes...
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
As far as talent goes, Dwight is definitely a top 10 player. However, the team definitely needs to be built specifically catered towards Dwight's game; otherwise, it'll go in flames like last year's Lakers. Definitely one of NBA's biggest divas today.
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
Had him top 10. Still the best center.
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
I have him number 4.
LA Lakers are a mess. They brought in about the worst head coach and system for him.
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
I'm actually considering him #4.
If not for injuries (which is a big voodoo in this draft) I probably would have taken him.
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Anyone get a list from Evantime?
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While we're waiting for the always awesome Champkind, was I the only one who had DHoward outside the top 10?
I'll likely be proven way wrong next season, but that a Kobe-Dwight team barely made the playoffs says volumes to me about Dwight (sort of like the exact opposite of how i view Parker....)
I have him number 4.
LA Lakers are a mess. They brought in about the worst head coach and system for him.
this is true and if it was the only knock on his resume, I'd overlook it.
But his last 2 years in ORL were drama-filled trainwrecks that caused a fairly talented team to vastly underperform.
He's not the first superstar to do that (quit on his team) but to me taht says something about their ability to *lead*.
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I'll give Champ a few more minutes or until I see Evantime come on before designating a pick
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I'm hoping a certain guard continues to fall..
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I'm hoping a certain guard continues to fall..
Yes. We all want Avery Bradley on our team. It goes without saying
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I'm hoping a certain guard continues to fall..
He probably won't now that you said that.
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I'm hoping a certain guard continues to fall..
Yes. We all want Avery Bradley on our team. It goes without saying
Or at least it should go without saying. Dude. So, you know, don't say
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The more autodrafts the less likely it is that your guy will fall. The more people picking the more likely they will take somebody at a crazy spot.
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Willing to move back a little offering up pick 11.
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 8th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Atlanta hawks select:
Dwyane Wade
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The more autodrafts the less likely it is that your guy will fall. The more people picking the more likely they will take somebody at a crazy spot.
I agree.
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3 of the first 9 picks missed.... this does not bode well.
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Wow...TP taken way too high...i was guessing around 12 or 13
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So, whoever ends up with _____ ____ is getting a heck of a player at a bargain price.
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Picks not what I expected. Picks 9-12/13 if you want I have 1.17 so lemme know soon.
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Shocked by all the autopicks
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 9th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Philadelphia 76ers select:
STEPHEN CURRY
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again 1:11 is open for movement.
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yeah. The autopicking is sad balls
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Double wow...I had Wade @ 21
I guess sure do value players differently
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Darn i like the Curry pick!
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yeah. The autopicking is sad balls
You are next sofuto.
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 9th pick of the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Philadelphia 76ers select:
STEPHEN CURRY
#@$! Sniped three picks ahead...
How do these designated picks get determined?
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I'll take Westbrook, whom I would have had anyway by auto pick, I bet
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Did people forget the draft was today or what?
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Double wow...I had Wade @ 21
I guess sure do value players differently
Yes because Dwyane Wade is still a top 10 player.
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I'll take Westbrook, whom I would have had anyway by auto pick, I bet
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Surprised Champ and Evan, two CB Draft regulars missed first round picks.
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Someone's falling like a meteorite... I'm amazed.
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WeMadeIt17/GomesFan are up. Time to get this rolling. :)
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The Lakers are not amused. Curry sniped, and now Westbrook. Good jokes, guys.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
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Has anyone noticed how TP is becoming kind of a platitude around here? Like, I'm not complaining, but everyone once in a while someone says "Thanks! TP" and then I don't get a TP and then I'm like one of those Vietnam vets when Red Cross started charging them a nickel for their erstwhile free donuts. Actually I'm complaining. Also, get that dog OFF MY LAWN.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
21 pts 5 ast 5 rebs .521 FG% 1.9 spg next to Bron and Bosh.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
Disagree, the numbers at least tells me otherwise. He has become ultra efficient and even on an injured season he produced.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
Maybe not, but until we see how Kobe looks post-surgery, he's the second best shooting guard in the league. That still rates, particularly with so few stars at the 2.
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Pick coming soon. Gomesfan and i are discussing.
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Pulling hair.. SOOOOO many options
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Tony Parker has proven twice now that he can be the best player on a team in the NBA finals. If that's not a top 10 pick, I don't know what is.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
Disagree, the numbers at least tells me otherwise. He has become ultra efficient and even on an injured season he produced.
For stuff like this, I always have bball reference, 82games, nbageek, and hollinger open. There aren't many players that all of those systems agree on, but Wade is one. I wish Evan and Champ shared some of KGsKnee's biases... well and that they showed up to make their picks.
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Still willing to move my two seconds and a 4th for a 1st and a third.
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Wade is no top 10 player anymore...at least not in my eyes.
Disagree, the numbers at least tells me otherwise. He has become ultra efficient and even on an injured season he produced.
For stuff like this, I always have bball reference, 82games, nbageek, and hollinger open. There aren't many players that all of those systems agree on, but Wade is one. I wish Evan and Champ shared some of KGsKnee's biases... well and that they showed up to make their picks.
If you pick Wade,though, you have to be ready to deal with people slinging injury mud your way all game.
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Dwyane Wade's name is misspelled in the original post. Most misspelled name in the NBA?
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Sorry guys. Rough start to the CB Draft for me. Thanks for making my pick for me.
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I'll take Westbrook, whom I would have had anyway by auto pick, I bet
gotta say WB slipping to #10 is the biggest shock so far to me... He was #5 on my board.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
Nice pick.
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I'll take Westbrook, whom I would have had anyway by auto pick, I bet
gotta say WB slipping to #10 is the biggest shock so far to me... He was #5 on my board.
Agreed. His injury isn't that serious, as they were able to repair his meniscus (as opposed to CP3 getting it completely removed). With OKC's struggles in the playoffs last year, I think his value as a player was emphasized tremendously. Very surprised to see him fall all the way to #10. The Lakers were definitely quite upset to see him taken just 2 spots ahead.
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'turca time.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
Nice pick.
Thanks!
Wemadeit17 and I had a hard choice to make here and we feel with Rose having over a year off to rest and rehab he will be a 100% and dominating again!!
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BleedGreen/RO are up.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
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Rebus might get his guy....
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Yes we think this past season off really shaped him to have yet another dominating season and deep playoff push. Derrick Rose says "He is ready and cant wait to get started out in L.A."
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
Nice pick.
For my money, that's your most difficult player to evaluate so far. Did he deserve his MVP (no)... ok but you can't seriously win an MVP without being a top 10 player, right (well... it wouldn't be the first time)... but look at how much he's accomplished at a young age (but look around at all the other stud PGs his age!)... but when he's healthy he's one of the best slashers in the game (but is that all he is?)
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What an incredible turn of events. Option B and C were both sniped just a few picks above, but our top choice conveniently fell right into our laps.
With the 12th overall pick of the 2013 Celticsblog Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Marc Gasol.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
I pegged him as a first rounder but I thought he would drop significantly because of the injuries.
He's a great pick, but good luck trying to defend him. Injuries here in this draft, from Torn ACL's to a blister can break your team.
Either way, I think he's a top 5 player, and a steal at this point.
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What an incredible turn of events. Option B and C were both sniped just a few picks above, but our top choice conveniently fell right into our laps.
With the 12th overall pick of the 2013 Celticsblog Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Marc Gasol.
How did this happen people? Lol
Reigning DPOY and arguably the best center in the NBA still in his prime?
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What an incredible turn of events. Option B and C were both sniped just a few picks above, but our top choice conveniently fell right into our laps.
With the 12th overall pick of the 2013 Celticsblog Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Marc Gasol.
Come on... that guy couldn't even make the all-D team =P
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The Mod Super Team is up.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
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How do you shut off the thing that prevents you from posting if somebody else did?
I got burned by that in the Pick2 draft and be [dang]ed if it happens again!
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
I pegged him as a first rounder but I thought he would drop significantly because of the injuries.
He's a great pick, but good luck trying to defend him. Injuries here in this draft, from Torn ACL's to a blister can break your team.
Either way, I think he's a top 5 player, and a steal at this point.
While yes he tore his ACL that was over 12 months ago. He is fully recovered and ready. Waiting a season and a half was the right choice. He'll be 100% and ready to go.
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Someone is still free falling like a an apple being watched by Newton.
I don't think SuperMods will pass this opportunity, they see him.
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What an incredible turn of events. Option B and C were both sniped just a few picks above, but our top choice conveniently fell right into our laps.
With the 12th overall pick of the 2013 Celticsblog Draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select Marc Gasol.
How did this happen people? Lol
Reigning DPOY and arguably the best center in the NBA still in his prime?
Not to mention the best playmaking big man in the entire league.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
I pegged him as a first rounder but I thought he would drop significantly because of the injuries.
He's a great pick, but good luck trying to defend him. Injuries here in this draft, from Torn ACL's to a blister can break your team.
Either way, I think he's a top 5 player, and a steal at this point.
While yes he tore his ACL that was over 12 months ago. He is fully recovered and ready. Waiting a season and a half was the right choice. He'll be 100% and ready to go.
No arguments here. I had injured players I tried to defend in the past drafts. You guys' concern should be the others, they are tough on injuries.
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Someone is still free falling like a an apple being watched by Newton.
I don't think SuperMods will pass this opportunity, they see him.
every time you post, I like to imagine that you are speaking with the "in a world..." voice
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
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How do you shut off the thing that prevents you from posting if somebody else did?
I got burned by that in the Pick2 draft and be [dang]ed if it happens again!
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
I pegged him as a first rounder but I thought he would drop significantly because of the injuries.
He's a great pick, but good luck trying to defend him. Injuries here in this draft, from Torn ACL's to a blister can break your team.
Either way, I think he's a top 5 player, and a steal at this point.
While yes he tore his ACL that was over 12 months ago. He is fully recovered and ready. Waiting a season and a half was the right choice. He'll be 100% and ready to go.
You better hope that you manage to put together a title contender. Otherwise he might sit out the season to make sure he doesn't jeopardize his dazzlingly bright future...
I suggest that you start sketching up some LeBron James trade offers.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
Same here. (on the second part)
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
Same here. (on the second part)
I'm just going to shake my head, and leave it at that.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
Same here. (on the second part)
I'm just going to shake my head, and leave it at that.
DKC influence here, folks. ;D ;D
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I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
While I definitely agree with the bolded part, there's no way that itself is going to take a player of Rose's caliber out of the top 20. That's way too extreme.
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Rose was top 10.
2nd on the PG list.
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Alright with the 11th pick and his return to the court the L.A. Clippers select Derrick Rose
A steal. People will see this year that him waiting a year was a great choice.
I was debating him for #20, but I said no as he is not a guy I want leading my team.
So, just to clarify, you're saying that Derrick Rose isn't worthy of a top 20 pick?
I didnt have him top 20 but thats because I get very turned off by players who don't want to get back on the court ASAP.
Same here. (on the second part)
I'm just going to shake my head, and leave it at that.
I dunno, didnt take the SAT's and doesnt want to help his team in the playoffs? Not my kinda guy in the top 20. I'd be looking for a leader to go along with the talent at that level.
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Rose was top 10.
2nd on the PG list.
I had Rose 10th but only because of the unknown of how he will return. If I knew 100% he was 100%, he would have been top 5.
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Rose was top 10.
2nd on the PG list.
I had Rose 10th but only because of the unknown of how he will return. If I knew 100% he was 100%, he would have been top 5.
Is that taking into account that he needs to feel 110% to play even if his team is in the playoffs? He won't play if he is 100%.
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How do you shut off the thing that prevents you from posting if somebody else did?
I got burned by that in the Pick2 draft and be [dang]ed if it happens again!
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TP.
Is that taking into account that he needs to feel 110% to play even if his team is in the playoffs? He won't play if he is 100%.
Is your assessment taking into account he is merely 23 years old and does not want to ruin his career before even entering his prime?
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Rose was top 10.
2nd on the PG list.
I had Rose 10th but only because of the unknown of how he will return. If I knew 100% he was 100%, he would have been top 5.
Is that taking into account that he needs to feel 110% to play even if his team is in the playoffs? He won't play if he is 100%.
Took that into consideration. I also took into consideration that when he plays he plays at an MVP caliber.
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Did the mod super team just miss *THEIR* pick too?
oy.
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Mods pick Kyrie Irving.
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I think all of this hate on Rose has gotten a little overblown here. I think he correctly believed that even if he did come back for the playoffs, the Bulls weren't getting past Miami, not when Miami was clicking, LeBron was playing GOAT level, and Rose would have been rusty.
Rose got his flak for taking a year off. Let's see what he can do this year, and not hold grudges.
Edit 1: I picked the DKC Bulls for this reason; I didn't come to this reasoning because I had the Bulls.
Edit 2: Is KGK on the clock now or is he not allowed to pick until 1:30?
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Did the mod super team just miss *THEIR* pick too?
oy.
Yes they did but its lunch so I will give them some time.
Come on guys!!! This auto select thing sucks.
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I think all of this hate on Rose has gotten a little overblown here. I think he correctly believed that even if he did come back for the playoffs, the Bulls weren't getting past Miami, not when Miami was clicking, LeBron was playing GOAT level, and Rose would have been rusty.
Rose got his flak for taking a year off. Let's see what he can do this year, and not hold grudges.
That's the thing though this is the CB Draft not the DKC League we are basing things off of last year. Also wasn't Rose cleared in March?
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How do you shut off the thing that prevents you from posting if somebody else did?
I got burned by that in the Pick2 draft and be [dang]ed if it happens again!
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TP.
Is that taking into account that he needs to feel 110% to play even if his team is in the playoffs? He won't play if he is 100%.
Is your assessment taking into account he is merely 23 years old and does not want to ruin his career before even entering his prime?
Ya, because this is a one year excercise. I don't care about the rest of his career in the format, I care about his desire to get on the court and compete. Adrian Peterson almost set the NFL record for rushing yards playing for a mediocre team coming off a torn ACL with a shorter recovery time and Rose can't play in the playoffs?
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Mods pick Kyrie Irving.
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How do you shut off the thing that prevents you from posting if somebody else did?
I got burned by that in the Pick2 draft and be [dang]ed if it happens again!
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TP.
Is that taking into account that he needs to feel 110% to play even if his team is in the playoffs? He won't play if he is 100%.
Is your assessment taking into account he is merely 23 years old and does not want to ruin his career before even entering his prime?
Ya, because this is a one year excercise. I don't care about the rest of his career in the format, I care about his desire to get on the court and compete. Adrian Peterson almost set the NFL record for rushing yards playing for a mediocre team coming off a torn ACL with a shorter recovery time and Rose can't play in the playoffs?
Uhh I hate the AP comparison. The guy is the exception, not anything I'd base most recoveries off of.
I understand your point about judging him in the CB draft format but as an overall opinion, I really don't get all the hate for Rose.
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Mods pick Kyrie Irving.
Was wondering how far down the rabbit hole he would drop.
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KGs Knees is up until 1:40.
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Regarding the AP/Rose comparison: I remember seeing some special that talked about their injuries. AP's movement is largely forward, which doesn't put much strain on his ACL. Rose, as a slasher, has to rapidly change directions, putting extreme strain on his ACL.
So, in short: apples to oranges.
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Mods pick Kyrie Irving.
Spectacular offensive player, but spotty defense and extensive injury history is going to make building around him very difficult. I'll be interested in seeing how the mods take on this challenge, but #13 seems a bit on the high side.
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Have 4 picks in round 2&3. Send me offers during lunch break, y'all.
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KGs Knees is up until 1:40.
actually now is a lunch break that the commish traditionally lifts when *he's* ready....
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Regarding the AP/Rose comparison: I remember seeing some special that talked about their injuries. AP's movement is largely forward, which doesn't put much strain on his ACL. Rose, as a slasher, has to rapidly change directions, putting extreme strain on his ACL.
So, in short: apples to oranges.
Running backs make tons of lateral cuts every single game.
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Probably shouldn't have posted rigth before going into a dentist appt.
Anyway, my plan to get Curry failed so now I'm trying to move back (possibly out of) from the 1st round.
Looking for early - mid 2nds
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Remember something guys, a healthy Lebron James couldn't win in the CB Draft until he won in real life because of the perception he couldn't win the big one.
Rose was out a whole year.
Assuming people will just forget he was injured a whole year and forgive that he could have returned earlier but didn't, probably isn't the most realistic thing to assume in this game.
As Yoki alluded to earlier, you select injured players at your own risk and will have to do a lot of PR to get injured players over in this game. It has been done before so its not impossible, its just not as easy as pushing a team filled with players who were healthy and playing last year(or even guys that weren't healthy but still played through).
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Gotta run for a bathroom break and when I return we can open things back up.
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THE BEARD IS HERE!
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Make sure to shower Nick with TPs. (Actual TPs)
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Still waiting for the first Celtic (past or present) to be drafted.
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Looking to acquire a 2nd/3rd rounder for my 5th/6th back-to-back picks...
Anyone interested in discussing?
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I'm back and we can open for business.
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Looking to acquire a 2nd/3rd rounder for my 5th/6th back-to-back picks...
Anyone interested in discussing?
Just a heads up, if you really want a 3rd you are going to have to offer a fourth.
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Remember something guys, a healthy Lebron James couldn't win in the CB Draft until he won in real life because of the perception he couldn't win the big one.
Smh if this is true.
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The Los Angeles Lakers are making 1.22 available.
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Spurs are taking offers on 1.15. Pick comes due in about 15 minutes.
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The Los Angeles Lakers are making 1.23 available.
You mean 1.22? 1.23 belong to the other LA team.
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You mean 1.22? 1.23 belong to the other LA team.
Correct. Thanks for the catch.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
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The Heat are growing more and more thrilled by how much talent is dropping.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Dang, was really hoping for him at 18
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Was this an autopick?
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Was this an autopick?
I think KGs Knees sent Nick a list.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Was hoping he'd fall down to #22 but obviously that wasn't happening. Excellent pick.
1.22 still on the block.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Was this an autopick?
No, KGK left me a list. auto picks are labeled as DESIGNATED PICK
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Was this an autopick?
No, KGK left me a list. auto picks are labeled as DESIGNATED PICK
Gracias
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
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With their first selection in the 2013-14 CB Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kevin Love
We're expecting a big bounce back season.
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With their first selection in the 2013-14 CB Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select: Kevin Love.
We're expecting a big bounce back season.
I can dig it. You playing him at SF or C?
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
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Does anyone have Yogi's list?
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With their first selection in the 2013-14 CB Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kevin Love
We're expecting a big bounce back season.
I can dig it. You playing him at SF or C?
A hit, a very palpable hit.
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Love was Washington's target. Boo.
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With their first selection in the 2013-14 CB Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kevin Love
We're expecting a big bounce back season.
I can dig it. You playing him at SF or C?
A hit, a very palpable hit.
KLove would be a tremendous rebounder at the PG position.
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Yogi never sent a list to me. I have picked off of all lists provided to me.
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Yogi never sent a list to me. I have picked off of all lists provided to me.
Trade that pick to me for a 9th and a 10th rounder.
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I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
Depending on the other personal, I could be persuaded. But take it from the first guy who first started Garnett at center - be prepared to miss the playoffs.
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Yogi never sent a list to me. I have picked off of all lists provided to me.
Give him a Celtic.
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With their first selection in the 2013-14 CB Draft, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kevin Love
We're expecting a big bounce back season.
I can dig it. You playing him at SF or C?
A hit, a very palpable hit.
KLove would be a tremendous rebounder at the PG position.
You're late. I hope this isn't the quality of quip we can expect going forward?
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
I just don't know why you would want to play the Best SG in the game at PG.
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TheTruthfot18 check PMs.
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
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With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
Darn it Yogi got rewarded for not showing up.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
I just don't know why you would want to play the Best SG in the game at PG.
It makes no sense to play a Top 5 guy out of position (and a position that he is arguably the best in the entire league at)
Yoki, you'll get absolutely destroyed for that move if you do it come evaluation time.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
I just don't know why you would want to play the Best SG in the game at PG.
He's a good playmaker compare to the rest of the PG's that are left. There are also a few SG who may not be as good as him but will fit his style of play who can possibly open up the floor more for him to have more room to operate.
I like him as PG, he's capable, and gives me flexibility in the next rounds of drafting. I say why not?
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With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
Darn it Yogi got rewarded for not showing up.
You think its a reward to get Kobe Bryant on your team in the Celticsblog Draft?
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With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
Darn it Yogi got rewarded for not showing up.
You think its a reward to get Kobe Bryant on your team in the Celticsblog Draft?
Yes.
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With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
Darn it Yogi got rewarded for not showing up.
You think its a reward to get an injured Kobe Bryant on your team in the Celticsblog Draft?
Fixed it for you.
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With the 16th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
Kobe Bryant
Darn it Yogi got rewarded for not showing up.
You think its a reward to get Kobe Bryant on your team in the Celticsblog Draft?
Yes.
I am not sure a team with Kobe has even gotten to the conference finals in this game. The bias against Kobe is pretty steep when it comes to voting.
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Tim Duncan
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Some young high upside players still out there that im surprised havent gone yet.
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Just reminding everyone that 1.22 is up for trade.
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Tim Duncan
Excellent pick!
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Tim Duncan
Darn it. Time for Plan B.
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Had him top 10
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Remember something guys, a healthy Lebron James couldn't win in the CB Draft until he won in real life because of the perception he couldn't win the big one.
thanks for rubbing this is Nick :'(
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
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Tim Duncan
Excellent pick!
Nobody ever regrets drafting Duncan. Although he's been sliding further than this is the past couple of drafts.
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
Anthony Davis is not a first round pick! Terrible! Just terrible!
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Yes.
I had him 9th overall, partially due to positional scarcity. Harden and George were the only two Stars at the SG position that I saw under 30
Oh but James Harden is playing PG in my team...
Comon Yoki don't screw it up, you got Harden, just don't make mistakes and cruise into the playoffs!
I don't see how it's "screwing up". Harden has enough playmaking ability to have a role the same as Rose, Irving and Westbrook. PG's who are the first option on offense but are capable of creating shots for others.
He's got exceptional court vision and provided I surround him with a talent that fits well for my vision, I don't see that he cant flourish as a PG. Sure he'll not be able to defend quicker PG's but his size is also going to pose a mismatch against them.
I just don't know why you would want to play the Best SG in the game at PG.
It makes no sense to play a Top 5 guy out of position (and a position that he is arguably the best in the entire league at)
Yoki, you'll get absolutely destroyed for that move if you do it come evaluation time.
Respectfully disagree, Don.
Playing Harden at PG is the same as playing Westbrook and Curry at SG. Out of position but very capable to play it nonetheless and will not be any detriment to the team.
Harden has the ability to play PG. He's a mismatch size wise, and it opens up for more drafting options moving forward. Besides, he's ball dominant already anyway, why not make him the ball handler period?
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Tim Duncan
Excellent pick!
Nobody ever regrets drafting Duncan. Although he's been sliding further than this is the past couple of drafts.
I love Duncan, just the fact that he turns 38 next year is a little scary
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What are we on 19?
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I want to apologize to anyone who sent me any PMs. My work pc stopped working. Guess I'll use this 4g device to communicate from now on.
TPs to those I missed. Stoll listening to offers for Duncan and/or 2.9 3.9
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I'm up, and thinking/talking things over. I'll make the pick on time I promise.
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
Anthony Davis is not a first round pick! Terrible! Just terrible!
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
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Nickagneta check PMs.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Had him top 10
Me too.
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Tim Duncan
Excellent pick!
Nobody ever regrets drafting Duncan. Although he's been sliding further than this is the past couple of drafts.
I think it's because everybody thinks he'll drop but everyone also thinks his a top 15 pick, just holding out.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Seems about the right spot, though I was hoping he would fall to me at #20.
Am I the only one who had George as a top 5 pick?
Had him top 10
Me too.
He was in the discussion when we picked Rose at 11
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
Anthony Davis is not a first round pick! Terrible! Just terrible!
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
Herr Señor The Mr. Walker Wiggle, Esq., picked Davis with #17 pick last year.
Wiggles picks are always a bit underrated in real time, then <BAM> he's got a top 4 team.
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nickagneta, Dons, and Roy please check PMs thanks guys
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
Anthony Davis is not a first round pick! Terrible! Just terrible!
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
I'm just passing along some of the flack I caught for drafting him in the 1st round last year. I love the kid. Roy thought he would be a bust.
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I'll take Anthony Davis
Fear the brow, folks.
Hah this was one of the guys I was eyeballing. Still two more.
Anthony Davis is not a first round pick! Terrible! Just terrible!
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
I'm just passing along some of the flack I caught for drafting him in the 1st round last year. I love the kid. Roy thought he would be a bust.
To wit:
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Is GreenFaith1819 just trying to overshadow, THE Walker Wiggle's 1st round selection with, baseless trade rumors? Come on, son.
Anyway, the Golden State Warriors select: Anthony Davis. And don't look back.
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/13/Anthony_Davis_148253091_620x350.jpg)
Haha. You can all tell us "I told you so" again next year. Too soon.
Is GreenFaith1819 just trying to overshadow, THE Walker Wiggle's 1st round selection with, baseless trade rumors? Come on, son.
Anyway, the Golden State Warriors select: Anthony Davis. And don't look back.
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/13/Anthony_Davis_148253091_620x350.jpg)
Wow. And I meant that in a slight good way. I mean, I never thought he's getting picked in the first round.
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Under a minute......tick tick
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Al Horford
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1.20 the Chicago Bulls select Lamarcus Aldridge.
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1.20 the Chicago Bulls select Lamarcus Aldridge.
I like the Pic!
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Offering 2.15 and 4.23 for any of the upcoming picks.
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Spent so long deciding between LMA and Horford. LMA has the scoring advantage, Horford has the defense and passing advantage.
DKCers know I love defense.
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The Horford pick is very intriguing.
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Well, I didnt think it was going to be possible when I was doing my rankings and mock draft, but Im pretty pumped to pair Durant and Deron Williams. Durant is clearly a fan of Deron as a max contract guy, so I think they will work well together.
(http://4umf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Kevin-Durant-Responds-To-Deron-Williams-Hater.png)
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Well, I didnt think it was going to be possible when I was doing my rankings and mock draft, but Im pretty pumped to pair Durant and Deron Williams. Durant is clearly a fan of Deron as a max contract guy, so I think they will work well together.
(http://4umf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Kevin-Durant-Responds-To-Deron-Williams-Hater.png)
IMO, unless Rondo messes this up, he's in the driver's seat of this draft...
How did Deron Williams slip to #21? yowza.
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Tomorrow will be dominated by me. ;D
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Well, I didnt think it was going to be possible when I was doing my rankings and mock draft, but Im pretty pumped to pair Durant and Deron Williams. Durant is clearly a fan of Deron as a max contract guy, so I think they will work well together.
(http://4umf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Kevin-Durant-Responds-To-Deron-Williams-Hater.png)
Like the pick he played really well towards the end of the season.
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The Horford pick is very intriguing.
Explain ;)
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Well, I didnt think it was going to be possible when I was doing my rankings and mock draft, but Im pretty pumped to pair Durant and Deron Williams. Durant is clearly a fan of Deron as a max contract guy, so I think they will work well together.
(http://4umf.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Kevin-Durant-Responds-To-Deron-Williams-Hater.png)
IMO, unless Rondo messes this up, he's in the driver's seat of this draft...
How did Deron Williams slip to #21? yowza.
I had Deron Ranked 7th, I can see him dropping a few spots but I don't know how he wasnt top 10 though.
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His team did just lose to the Bulls in the first round, despite the bulls being held together by bandages and chewing gum. (Nets also had HCA too! Such an ugly series for the Nets)
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Torn on who to pick.... Hoping the next pick narrows it down....
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I had Deron Ranked 7th, I can see him dropping a few spots but I don't know how he wasnt top 10 though.
Wait so you had Parker outside of the Top 10 and Deron at #7?!
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
I like Gasol and Dirk, but with you not having a pick until the 4th round it will be tough to make a well balanced team.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
Great, great value at this point in the draft. Carried last season's Dallas team to a .500 record.
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I had Deron Ranked 7th, I can see him dropping a few spots but I don't know how he wasnt top 10 though.
Wait so you had Parker outside of the Top 10 and Deron at #7?!
Ya, I like Deron better than Parker.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
I like Gasol and Dirk, but with you not having a pick until the 4th round it will be tough to make a well balanced team.
Last time Dirk had a defensive minded Center next to him he won a championship. This is a very good pick but you're right, they have a tough task building the rest.
Although they are in a very prime spot to be up there.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
I like Gasol and Dirk, but with you not having a pick until the 4th round it will be tough to make a well balanced team.
Last time Dirk Played like the best player on the planet andhad a defensive minded Center next to him he won a championship. This is a very good pick but you're right, they have a tough task building the rest.
Although they are in a very prime spot to be up there.
Fixed it for you haha
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I had Deron Ranked 7th, I can see him dropping a few spots but I don't know how he wasnt top 10 though.
Wait so you had Parker outside of the Top 10 and Deron at #7?!
Ya, I like Deron better than Parker.
Then you don't like winning basketball games as much.
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I actually like both pairings that have been made thus far. Both are top notch.
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Ironically i had Parker #7 and Williams #8 on my predraft list..
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
(http://www.themarshalltown.com/zine/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Blake-Griffin.jpg)
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
I like Gasol and Dirk, but with you not having a pick until the 4th round it will be tough to make a well balanced team.
Last time Dirk Played like the best player on the planet andhad a defensive minded Center next to him he won a championship. This is a very good pick but you're right, they have a tough task building the rest.
Although they are in a very prime spot to be up there.
Fixed it for you haha
Haha yes. I had him targeted early 2nd. But ya as good as him and gasoline are, waiting out the next two rounds will be tough
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I had Deron Ranked 7th, I can see him dropping a few spots but I don't know how he wasnt top 10 though.
Wait so you had Parker outside of the Top 10 and Deron at #7?!
Ya, I like Deron better than Parker.
Then you don't like winning basketball games as much.
I'll respond to this after some more draft picks have been made. Don't let me forget.
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The Clippers front office love the pairing of Blake and Rose running down the court. Blake and Derrick will be the cornerstone for this franchise for years to come with their youth!
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Ironically i had Parker #7 and Williams #8 on my predraft list..
Ya, I don't think they are super far apart. I just like Deron's game better. Though I probably underrate some of what Parker brings to the table.
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
(http://www.themarshalltown.com/zine/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Blake-Griffin.jpg)
I was debating between him and L.A. but he is just way too overrated (imo) and doesn't do much come playoff time. That is an awesome pairing you have though.
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Clippers are look for a late first, second or third round pick.....PM me or Wemadeit17
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
I was debating between him and L.A. but he is just way too overrated (imo) and doesn't do much come playoff time. That is an awesome pairing you have though.
Ron, you definitely made the shrewd move. Blake has not improved any aspect of his game whatsoever. In fact, he has decreased statistically each and every year. His regression in rebounding is particularly dumbfounding. He hasn't improved on his free-throw shooting or his jumpshot, either. Very concerning signs for an "up-and-coming" star.
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Another great pairing
Durant-Williams
M Gasol-Nowitzki
Rose-Griffin
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
I was debating between him and L.A. but he is just way too overrated (imo) and doesn't do much come playoff time. That is an awesome pairing you have though.
Ron, you definitely made the shrewd move. Blake has not improved any aspect of his game whatsoever. In fact, he has decreased statistically each and every year. His regression in rebounding is particularly dumbfounding. He hasn't improved on his free-throw shooting or his jumpshot, either. Very concerning signs for an "up-and-coming" star.
Actually Aldridges numbers have went down over the last couple of seasons by approximately 3ppg and 2rpg...
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
I was debating between him and L.A. but he is just way too overrated (imo) and doesn't do much come playoff time. That is an awesome pairing you have though.
Ron, you definitely made the shrewd move. Blake has not improved any aspect of his game whatsoever. In fact, he has decreased statistically each and every year. His regression in rebounding is particularly dumbfounding. He hasn't improved on his free-throw shooting or his jumpshot, either. Very concerning signs for an "up-and-coming" star.
Actually Aldridges numbers have went down over the last couple of seasons by approximately 3ppg and 2rpg...
Aldridge actually had his best rebounding season this past season and scoring only went down 0.7 from two years ago with the addition of Lillard.
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Actually Aldridges numbers have went down over the last couple of seasons by approximately 3ppg and 2rpg...
I think you should double check because that's definitely not accurate.
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Another great pairing
Durant-Williams
M Gasol-Nowitzki
Rose-Griffin
Totally agree with this Nick....Durrant Williams..nuff said.
Gasol Dirk...floor spreading... Giffin/Rose pure scoring alley-oop energizing offense, not only does Rose score 20+ but he is a asisst machine and can throw a mean lob, just what Griffin needs...Rose can also open up the paint for Griffin!!!!
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The LA Clippers Select::
BLAKE GRIFFIN
I was debating between him and L.A. but he is just way too overrated (imo) and doesn't do much come playoff time. That is an awesome pairing you have though.
Ron, you definitely made the shrewd move. Blake has not improved any aspect of his game whatsoever. In fact, he has decreased statistically each and every year. His regression in rebounding is particularly dumbfounding. He hasn't improved on his free-throw shooting or his jumpshot, either. Very concerning signs for an "up-and-coming" star.
Actually Aldridges numbers have went down over the last couple of seasons by approximately 3ppg and 2rpg...
Which Aldridge are we talking about?
09-10 17.9 pts 8.0 rebs
10-11 21.8 pts 8.8 rebs
11-12 21.7 pts 8.0 rebs
12-13 21.1 pts 9.1 rebs
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Actually Aldridges numbers have went down over the last couple of seasons by approximately 3ppg and 2rpg...
I think you should double check because that's definitely not accurate.
10-11 POR 81 81 39.6 0.500 0.174 0.791 3.4 5.3 8.8 2.1 1.0 1.2 1.89 2.72 21.8
11-12 POR 55 55 36.3 0.512 0.182 0.814 2.7 5.3 8.0 2.4 0.9 0.8 2.02 2.78 21.7
12-13 POR 74 74 37.7 0.484 0.143 0.810 2.4 6.7 9.1 2.6 0.8 1.2 1.93 2.53 21.1
Career -- 508 467 35.4 0.493 0.208 0.783 2.7 5.0 7.8 1.9 0.8 1.0 1.58 2.80 18.3
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Got caught up at work, pm me with offers for Steph Curry, especially those with late first early second sandwich picks not yet made.
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didnt finish that...his career through me off
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No word from Pearl.
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Looking to make trades PM me! 8)
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 24th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the New York Knicks select:
RAJON RONDO
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First Celtic off the board, and I must admit I thought Rondo would be drafted top 20.
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The Washington Wizards select John Wall.
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/John+Wall+BBVA+Rising+Stars+Challenge+X28QOmwh0TFl.jpg)
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(http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zimbio.com%2Fphotos%2FJohn%2BWall%2FBBVA%2BRising%2BStars%2BChallenge%2FX28QOmwh0TF&h=0&w=0&sz=1&tbnid=gXhrWxB4V8esnM&tbnh=183&tbnw=275&zoom=1&docid=h-lVu07lMQqsvM&ei=1nESUqC2JujOyAGrv4A4&ved=0CAMQsCU)
The Washington Wizards select John Wall.
Do the John Wall John Wall!
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The Washington Wizards select John Wall.
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/John+Wall+BBVA+Rising+Stars+Challenge+X28QOmwh0TFl.jpg)
Aw shucky ducky quack quack, im trying to move up for him. Great pick.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki.
I like Gasol and Dirk, but with you not having a pick until the 4th round it will be tough to make a well balanced team.
Last time Dirk had a defensive minded Center next to him he won a championship. This is a very good pick but you're right, they have a tough task building the rest.
Although they are in a very prime spot to be up there.
Not to mention, our defensive center is light years ahead of Chandler regarding offensive skill set.
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You have to remember Blake Griffins numbers went down with the addition of Chris Paul and company!!
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I have an announcement forthcoming regarding the no shows.
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Clippers willing to make deals to get into the 2nd or 3rd round thanks. PM me or gomesfan.
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Lakers looking to acquire a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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Fun (not really) Fact : A Celtic player was drafted in the top 10 last year that same player was not drafted in the first round this year.
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Whos the little brother of L.a. lakers taking after the moves tje clips are doing.
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Have 2 4th rounders and looking to get into the second or third PM me. ;D
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Willing to move Duncan before round 2 starts. Looking for multiple 2nd (you know who you are) or a good 2nd and 3rd.
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Griffin can be had for one of the next pics and.......
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Willing to move Duncan before round 2 starts. Looking for multiple 2nd (you know who you are) or a good 2nd and 3rd.
I wonder who this is directed at? Hmm....
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ANNOUNCEMENT
Today we had 5 no shows for their picks in the first round. That is 25% of all teams and numbers usually reserved for the late rounds of this game. I understand completely that real life comes first and this is just an internet game, but to be fair to all those participating, we need GMs that will be here when their pick is scheduled.
I have heard from 2 of the GMs and all is well with them. I need to hear from the rest of you that PMs were sent out to.
So I hope all is well and I will hear from everyone but having to plan for the worst,
THE CB DRAFT IS NOW RECRUITING GMS TO TAKE OVER 2 FRANCHISES. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, PM ME. EVEN IF THE GMs THAT MISSED THEIR PICKS COME BACK, I WILL ASSIGN YOU AS coGM OF THOSE TEAMS SO THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE.
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Taking offers on Steph Curry all offers will be given a tp.
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Yes, I selected 5 of the 25 players selected, still, not bad that I had 23 of my top 25 players chosen this round.
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Yes, I selected 5 of the 25 players selected, still, not bad that I had 23 of my top 25 players chosen this round.
High-five. I also had 23 of my top 25 chosen this round.
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I have a bunch of assets and I'm looking for another player to add to L.A. so pm me.
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The Big Board and Eligible Players and Rosters are up to date on the first page. If you have a problem with where I placed a player(guard vs forward, forward vs center) PM me and I will change it.
Luckily for Yoki, Harden can play both guard positions ;) :D ;D
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Did any trades end up happening? Also I've never been so attached to a second rounder. (Looking forward to tomorrow as there is still a lot of good players left.)
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The Big Board and Eligible Players and Rosters are up to date on the first page. If you have a problem with where I placed a player(guard vs forward, forward vs center) PM me and I will change it.
Luckily for Yoki, Harden can play both guard positions ;) :D ;D
Thanks Nick, but Beard will only play one position, the Point.
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Regretting trading down now, didn't think Dirk would last to me and was going to be on too infrequently to monitor the board.
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Washington is debating but pretty sure who being selected at 2.1 tomorrow.
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Sorry for missing today ya'll. 18 mile bike ride to rid the weekends wedding toxins out of my system.
But am very happy Rondo was auto selected to me.
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Regretting trading down now, didn't think Dirk would last to me and was going to be on too infrequently to monitor the board.
Considering he was drafted #12 last year, we were a bit surprised as well.
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With the 14th pick in the 1st round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
PAUL GEORGE
Hallelujah!
And don't understand how I got a top 10 (I had George at #7) player at #14, but I like it!
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
LMA top-10 NBA player?? Hmmmm
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
LMA top-10 NBA player?? Hmmmm
Derrick Rose is better!!!!!!
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
LMA top-10 NBA player?? Hmmmm
Agree here.
Like Aldridge but man I would not take him over Irving, Westbrook, Rose and Parker. I probably can make the case that I wouldn't take him over Melo or Marc Gasol either. And if Curry isn't injury prone, I'd take him over Aldridge any day as well.
I think LMA is right where he is. In the 20-ish to close 2nd rounder. There are players not chosen in the 1st that has similar star value as him IMO.
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
You must be LMA's #1 fan. He's never been drafted top 10, and he's coming off a season in which his production dipped from his 11-12 peak. I rate him highly, but it's clear if he's your top player your team isn't guaranteed of anything. Horford is marginally better, as is at least one other power forward still on the board.
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
You must be LMA's #1 fan. He's never been drafted top 10, and he's coming off a season in which his production dipped from his 11-12 peak. I rate him highly, but it's clear if he's your top player your team isn't guaranteed of anything. Horford is marginally better, as is at least one other power forward still on the board.
Good, so we aren't the only ones haha.
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Meh, I'm not worried if some (or all) don't agree with my rankings of players.
I'm right and you're wrong. Just ask me, I'll tell you.
I'm just thrilled with getting George where I got him.
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Apologies to those of you who sent me trade proposals and didn't get a response. Very little chance I'll be around during the afternoons this week.
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Personally it doesn't matter to me what people think of where Aldridge is ranked as I'm not worried about one player I'm focusing on the bigger picture and the way my team is set up I would have to mess up badly to not make the Top 3 in my conference.
Also I'm still looking for another player to put next to LA.
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I think Aldridge was selected right about where he should have been. He's just outside the top 20 in regards to players in the NBA, IMHO.
And ron is in good position to make a very solid starting five with Aldridge, 2 2nds and 2 4ths.
Will that be enough to overcome Lebron and 4 starters, Durant-Williams and some 5th and 6th rounders, Rose-Blake and some 4th and 5th rounders or M.Gasol-Dirk and some 4th and 5th rounders? We will see.
With some smart drafting and without trades, McHales Pits/Minnesota is still going to have a very strong team to overcome.
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I think Aldridge was selected right about where he should have been. He's just outside the top 20 in regards to players in the NBA, IMHO.
And ron is in good position to make a very solid starting five with Aldridge, 2 2nds and 2 4ths.
Will that be enough to overcome Lebron and 4 starters, Durant-Williams and some 5th and 6th rounders, Rose-Blake and some 4th and 5th rounders or M.Gasol-Dirk and some 4th and 5th rounders? We will see.
With some smart drafting and without trades, McHales Pits/Minnesota is still going to have a very strong team to overcome.
It might sound weird but I was almost hoping I didn't get Lebron.
I really enjoy the process of building a team up even if I fall short and with Lebron, all you really have to do is just not mess up and you're in great position to win.
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Just wanna make a pitch to everyone about Horford, while it's still fresh. I've gotten a PM saying Horford was a weak pick as there were better defensive centers available, but I want to make the argument that Horford was the best PF/C available at our slot.
I love Horford, who is perhaps the most versatile true big man in the league.
Sorry for using you to support my argument, Roy, but your opinion usually carries some weight here. Horford is as Roy describes: versatile. He can play the 4 or the 5. He can spread the floor or bang down low. He can run the break and defend in the post. He can block, he can pass, and he can play his unnatural position without whining about it, thanks to Smoove. In exercises like this, versatile is good. You don't know what will happen in later rounds, and you don't want to pigeon-hole yourself into a strategy because of one player.
Horford vs. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=horfoal01&y1=2013&p2=aldrila01&y2=2013)
Not picking on ron here, as it truly came down to LMA vs Al for us, but there are a few reasons we went with Horford. Those reasons are TS% (and FG%, but TS% is a better representation, usually), rebounds, assists, and win shares. Sure, he loses in FT% and PPG, but overall he's a more efficient scorer than Aldridge in addition to a better defender and passer.
So keep h8in'. We don't curr.
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Will that be enough to overcome Lebron and 4 starters, Durant-Williams and some 5th and 6th rounders, Rose-Blake and some 4th and 5th rounders or M.Gasol-Dirk and some 4th and 5th rounders? We will see.
Yes the team I'm building will not only change your opinion on the CB Draft, but it will change your opinion on life. The team I'm building is so good a mod decided to secretly co-gm with me. I studied the top 2 teams of last year's draft for 5 minutes, then I decided how to proceed with this draft and I know I won't disappoint.
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So keep h8in'. We don't curr.
I think you care if not you wouldn't have wasted your time by writing the other part of your post.
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FWIW, AB, I had Horford ranked @ #11 only two spots below Aldridge @ #9.
So yeah, getting him at #19 was really good value in my book.
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Just wanna make a pitch to everyone about Horford, while it's still fresh. I've gotten a PM saying Horford was a weak pick as there were better defensive centers available, but I want to make the argument that Horford was the best PF/C available at our slot.
I love Horford, who is perhaps the most versatile true big man in the league.
Sorry for using you to support my argument, Roy, but your opinion usually carries some weight here. Horford is as Roy describes: versatile. He can play the 4 or the 5. He can spread the floor or bang down low. He can run the break and defend in the post. He can block, he can pass, and he can play his unnatural position without whining about it, thanks to Smoove. In exercises like this, versatile is good. You don't know what will happen in later rounds, and you don't want to pigeon-hole yourself into a strategy because of one player.
Horford vs. Aldridge (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=horfoal01&y1=2013&p2=aldrila01&y2=2013)
Not picking on ron here, as it truly came down to LMA vs Al for us, but there are a few reasons we went with Horford. Those reasons are TS% (and FG%, but TS% is a better representation, usually), rebounds, assists, and win shares. Sure, he loses in FT% and PPG, but overall he's a more efficient scorer than Aldridge in addition to a better defender and passer.
So keep h8in'. We don't curr.
Adding to this, Horford's FT% last year was incredibly fluky as he's a career 76% free throw shooter excluding last season. I love both players, as they're both incredibly underrated playing for middling markets, but I have to give the nod to Horford when comparing them side-by-side.
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So keep h8in'. We don't curr.
I think you care if not you wouldn't have wasted your time by writing the other part of your post.
If that's your takeaway from my whole post - well, let's just say I could tell it was from you ronaldo without reading your name.
Please don't turn this thing into an exercise in trolling.
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So keep h8in'. We don't curr.
I think you care if not you wouldn't have wasted your time by writing the other part of your post.
If that's your takeaway from my whole post - well, let's just say I could tell it was from you ronaldo without reading your name.
Please don't turn this thing into an exercise in trolling.
Not turning it into a trolling exercise just stating something.
Now to answer this Horford played C this season and playing C makes you more efficient. Lets take a look at the times when Aldridge played C.
(Based on 82games)
PER 27.9 .532 FG%
OPP PER 12.8
Now Horford
PER 21.9 .547%
OPP PER 16.6
Now Horford (PF)
PER 17.9 .538%
OPP PER 19.0
Not even a fan of PER but just proving a point that playing C will make you more efficient.
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Not turning it into a trolling exercise just stating something.
Now to answer this Horford played C this season and playing C makes you more efficient as you are in the post most of the time. Lets take a look at the times when Aldridge played C.
(Based on 82games)
PER 27.9 .532 FG%
OPP PER 12.8
Now Horford
PER 21.9 .547%
OPP PER 16.6
Now Horford (PF)
PER 17.9 .538%
OPP PER 19.0
Not even a fan of PER but just proving a point that playing C will make you more efficient.
Aldridge also happened to wear down a lot quicker last season, and openly expressed a desire to keep playing mostly as a PF.
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Not turning it into a trolling exercise just stating something.
Now to answer this Horford played C this season and playing C makes you more efficient as you are in the post most of the time. Lets take a look at the times when Aldridge played C.
(Based on 82games)
PER 27.9 .532 FG%
OPP PER 12.8
Now Horford
PER 21.9 .547%
OPP PER 16.6
Now Horford (PF)
PER 17.9 .538%
OPP PER 19.0
Not even a fan of PER but just proving a point that playing C will make you more efficient.
Aldridge also happened to wear down a lot quicker last season, and openly expressed a desire to keep playing mostly as a PF.
Hence why he is playing PF for me.
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Hence why he is playing PF for me.
...So what was the point of comparing the PER of Aldridge and Horford at the center position?
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Hence why he is playing PF for me.
...So what was the point of comparing the PER of Aldridge and Horford at the center position?
Didn't you read? The point was that playing C makes you more efficient.
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Hence why he is playing PF for me.
...So what was the point of comparing the PER of Aldridge and Horford at the center position?
Didn't you read? The point was that playing C makes you more efficient.
Didn't you read? Aldridge is playing PF for you.
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Ron, you didn't show us Aldridge's PER stuff at PF.
Even if the stats are better than Horford's, I stand by my rationale. I'm not a huge believer in PER anyways.
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Ron, you didn't show us Aldridge's PER stuff at PF.
PER 19.7
OPP PER 16.8
Net +2.9
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Hence why he is playing PF for me.
...So what was the point of comparing the PER of Aldridge and Horford at the center position?
Didn't you read? The point was that playing C makes you more efficient.
Didn't you read? Aldridge is playing PF for you.
You are still not understanding what I was trying to point out was that Aldridge could also put up more efficient numbers playing C and then I backed it up with proof and yes Aldridge is playing PF for me, but he will be getting some spot minutes at the C as he is that versatile.
Now I'm heading off to Cross Country practice so peace out.
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You are still not understanding what I was trying to point out was that Aldridge could also put up more efficient numbers playing C and then I backed it up with proof and yes Aldridge is playing PF for me, but he will be getting some spot minutes at the C as he is that versatile.
If your overarching point here is that he's more versatile than Horford, then I'd have to disagree with you. Aldridge can do a lot, and is a great player, but he's nowhere near as efficient as Horford, and not the defender nor passer that Horford is.
If you're just trying to say that he's versatile, then yes, he is. IP showed us that in the DKC.
This message brought to you by Versatile (c), the buzzword of the day.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
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Okay....enough with the "trolling" or "are you still not understanding" comments. They lead nowhere good and this will not happen in the 1st round or any round. Want to debate, do it civilly and within the rules of the blog.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
Early lead for the most exciting team. Hard for anyone to top that at this point.
There are plenty of question marks, like Rose's health and Blake's continued growth (or lack thereof), but it's still a formidable 1-2 punch and one that would have a tough time not making the playoffs.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
Early lead for the most exciting team. Hard for anyone to top that at this point.
There are plenty of question marks, like Rose's health and Blake's continued growth (or lack thereof), but it's still a formidable 1-2 punch and one that would have a tough time not making the playoffs.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Well said.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
Early lead for the most exciting team. Hard for anyone to top that at this point.
There are plenty of question marks, like Rose's health and Blake's continued growth (or lack thereof), but it's still a formidable 1-2 punch and one that would have a tough time not making the playoffs.
Well we all know ACL tears aren't career [dang]ing injuries and with Derricks year off it gave him a chance to heal not only physically but mentally and is ready to go full blast. As for Blake. We plan on him doing his thing. Running the floor hard and continuing to work on his low post game that has came along because of his great footwork.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
A very exciting tandem in terms of highlight film plays. Would be a combo I'd want to watch in real life. Both are young. Similar to the Paul/Griffin combo in real life (elite pg and big man) which has been successful in the past. Excellent two man foundation to start with.
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Lakers are looking to trade up to the mid-late 3rd.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
Love it. Now, the hard part: building a winning team, rather than a collection of shiny parts. If you do this right, you could win a title.
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Wanna hear some opinions on the Rose and Blake tandem.
Love it. Now, the hard part: building a winning team, rather than a collection of shiny parts. If you do this right, you could win a title.
Thats the main thing. We already have put the pressure on ourselves to round out the lineup. With not only good pieces but the right pieces.
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Agreed Roy!
With that said.... We are looking for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. If interested hit myself or WeMadeIt17 up with a pm
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
Man you sound scared and worried..... Desperate
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
Spam him with trade offers
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
Brothers prepare to be dunked on at any given moment. Pray that you make the right move. Cause the Clippers are in th e house and we are making the moves to win a ring
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
Man you sound scared and worried..... Desperate
Why would I be worried that someone would do something crazy in this game?
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Just saw the new Foot Locker ad with Harden and Curry....that was freaking fabulous!!!!
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
Brothers prepare to be dunked on at any given moment. Pray that you make the right move. Cause the Clippers are in th e house and we are making the moves to win a ring
Hope all that flashy hopping and jumping sells tickets because the Lakers are going to continue to hang banners
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
Irving, Parker, Rose, Westbrook (maybe, but still) would've picked them easily over LA
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Aldridge at #20...good grief, that is seriously bad. Dude is top 10, hands down. All those PG's (except CP3) taken above him is ludicrous.
Looks like Ronny got the steal of the 1st round, and now has two 2nds to boot.
Irving, Parker, Rose, Westbrook (maybe, but still) would've picked them easily over LA
Rose, if he shows he is healthy is better. As for the rest, I lump them in with the rest of the PGs, which is a position I find ridiculously overrated.
Give me a top 5 PF over any of them all day.
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So it appears I am recruiting a GM to take over the Magic. Gotta find someone on Celticsblog that wants to take over a team in the CB Draft where the only player on the team thus far is Kobe Bryant......
yeah, this should be easy. ::)
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The Heat are in the chat willing to talk turkey... or trades. But mostly turky.
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Just saw the new Foot Locker ad with Harden and Curry....that was freaking fabulous!!!!
But I have real talent. ;D Funny commercial
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
I know this was a bit sarcastic, but it is true though especially with a lot of people overpaying to get into the first round. The only tandem that might be a bit scary is the Williams/Durant, but with them not having another pick until the 5th round I don't think they will be able to add some reliable players next to that core. Tommorow is going to separate the great teams from the good ones and it's going to be dominated by KC and I. 8)
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Just rewatched the Uncle Drew commercials. I really loved those.
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To those of us with a plethora of 2nds and 3rds:
Brothers, hold onto your picks. These coming rounds are ours, we decide the fate of the CBNBA. Brothers, hold onto your picks. Let those who traded for your low first rounders for a moment of fleeting first day glory, sit and squirm whilst you put together teams of unimaginable depth that will remind all who play of the 2004 Pistons. Brothers, hold onto your picks. For any many that keeps his picks, be he ne'er so vile, shall be my brother. And gentlemen of the CBNBA who traded quickly will hold their manhoods cheap whilst any picks who kept the well earned spoils of his trades. Brothers, make your picks!
I know this was a bit sarcastic, but it is true though especially with a lot of people overpaying to get into the first round. The only tandem that might be a bit scary is the Williams/Durant, but with them not having another pick until the 5th round I don't think they will be able to add some reliable players next to that core. Tommorow is going to separate the great teams from the good ones and it's going to be dominated by KC and I. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmSbXsFE3l8
This is what your second round picks sang when you traded them away. Because much like Anna Kendrick, they're undervalued until you remember just how talented they are.
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That's funny Ron and KC, cuz I have more 2nd rounders than both of you. I will be dominating.
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That's funny Ron and KC, cuz I have more 2nd rounders than both of you. I will be dominating.
You have 2 I have 2 and KC has 2 so we all have the same amount (unless you made a trade) join us brother.
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That's funny Ron and KC, cuz I have more 2nd rounders than both of you. I will be dominating.
You have 2 I have 2 and KC has 2 so we all have the same amount (unless you made a trade) join us brother.
Make that 3. Pending confirmation.
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cruising the wires, sending out some irresistible trade offers
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I know this was a bit sarcastic, but it is true though especially with a lot of people overpaying to get into the first round. The only tandem that might be a bit scary is the Williams/Durant, but with them not having another pick until the 5th round I don't think they will be able to add some reliable players next to that core. Tommorow is going to separate the great teams from the good ones and it's going to be dominated by KC and I. 8)
I'm a big fan of superstar-less teams that rely on the team dynamic like the Pacers and Grizzlies in real life. With the nature of this draft, it'll be very difficult to pull off something along those lines, but I'm very excited in monitoring your guys's picks tomorrow. Best of luck!
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ANNOUNCEMENT
The management of the Orlando Magic has been taken over by veteran CB Draft GM,
foulweatherfan.
Congrats to fwf for stepping up and I wish him all the luck in the world.
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Big props for taking on a team which had Kobe as its first pick. Welcome aboard and good luck, foulweatherfan!
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Thanks Nick, but I'm actually a rookie CB drafter.
I'd like to kick things off by announcing that 5-time NBA champion and Top 10 all-timer Kobe "Superbean" Bryant is officially OFF THE TABLE. No trade offers please!
(http://theonba.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/kobe.jpg)
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Think Nick might have gotten 'foulweatherfan' mistaken with 'fairweatherfan'
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Think Nick might have gotten 'foulweatherfan' mistaken with 'fairweatherfan'
That's common. The only actual difference is a jet-black goatee.
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I think I'm going to be really happy with whatever player I get on my list tomorrow, especially paired next to Paul George.
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I think I'm going to be really happy with whatever player I get on my list tomorrow, especially paired next to Paul George.
If we could've landed a second 1st, Paul George would've been one of the picks. But the thing about him is, those pacers, in this league..they're like a borderline 3rd, almost 4th tier team. But you can build around George, and if he takes yet another step forward next season, this comment will look really dumb.
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Just rewatched the Uncle Drew commercials. I really loved those.
Remember the time you were killing my team because of injuries and everyone believed you? I do. And my how the tides have turned...
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I would just like to say that I expected more love for the Anna Kendrick/ second round pick analogy. Especially from IP.
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Just rewatched the Uncle Drew commercials. I really loved those.
Remember the time you were killing my team because of injuries and everyone believed you? I do. And my how the tides have turned...
Lol, you're such a bitter old GM now Yoki. EVERYONE killed you're team because of injuries, and I AGREED with them!
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I would just like to say that I expected more love for the Anna Kendrick/ second round pick analogy. Especially from IP.
How come nobody has any full drinks? What a weird diner.
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Lotta late night chatter. Looking to pickup an extra 2nd. Talk to me. Offers get TPs.
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TRADE
Houston sends: 3.15 and 9.3
Dallas sends: 2.20 and 10.6
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TRADE
Houston sends: 3.15 and 9.3
Dallas sends: 2.20 and 10.6
Unreal trade for Houston
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TRADE
Houston sends: 3.15 and 9.3
Dallas sends: 2.20 and 10.6
Unreal trade for Houston
I am giving the GMs that are overpaying or not getting enough value back every opportunity to pull from these trades and yet they continue to go forward with them.
I don't like vetoes and I don't think this trade is close to being even but when after many PMs a GM still wants to go through with a trade, I am going to let him shoot himself in the foot.
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Big Al praying on the new guy. Coldblooded.
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TRADE
Houston sends: 3.15 and 9.3
Dallas sends: 2.20 and 10.6
Unreal trade for Houston
I am giving the GMs that are overpaying or not getting enough value back every opportunity to pull from these trades and yet they continue to go forward with them.
I don't like vetoes and I don't think this trade is close to being even but when after many PMs a GM still wants to go through with a trade, I am going to let him shoot himself in the foot.
Yeah i know it's is a terrible trade for me, but i really dont mind.
i'm not going to be all hyper competitive in this draft
i am just feeling my way into the league, taking incremental steps.
i know this is a terrible trade, but it isnt really bothering me. i know this isnt in the right kind of spirit for a competition but school takes up all my time as well as sport, so auto picking and all that is the only way i can go. so i have no doubt that i will not win this competition.
so if i couldnt have incessant degrading of my "GM" skills that would be well appreciated
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Fair enough that you arent going to be competitive in the draft, thats your perrogative, but I just hope you respect those that are and don't undermine the game for others.
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Fair enough that you arent going to be competitive in the draft, thats your perrogative, but I just hope you respect those that are and don't undermine the game for others.
Of course not
I am going to try and be as competitive as I can be, and most definitely not undermine it for others
I don't want to ruin the game for anyone
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Personally I think BigAl should of traded 3.3 instead of 3.15, but it's fine.
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Personally I think BigAl should of traded 3.3 instead of 3.15, but it's fine.
I was looking over it earlier and I only just noticed that he had that pick
Dang it
Always next time I guess
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Live and learn Fitzy, live and learn.
Btw, the top of this round is loaded with talented PF/C's
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Truthfot18 check pm's
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Im looking to make moves. PM me with any trade ideas. Any offer gets a TP.
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Im looking to make moves. PM me with any trade ideas. Any offer gets a TP.
5th and a 10th for a 2nd and 4th?
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Im looking to make moves. PM me with any trade ideas. Any offer gets a TP.
5th and a 10th for a 2nd and 4th?
Done and TP
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Looking to move up slightly in this round, if possible. Those with picks 2 and 3 PM me. You'll get 2.7 and a later pick swap.
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All right, I'm going to be away for a good chunk of the morning, so I'm going to make my pick now. With the 2.1, Washington selects
Joakim Noah.
(http://www.nba.com/media/act_joakim_noah.jpg)
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All right, I'm going to be away for a good chunk of the morning, so I'm going to make my pick now. With the 2.1, Washington selects
Joakim Noah.
Nice I like the Noah and Wall pairing. This round is going to wipe out a lot of the quality bigs.
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And we are up and running.
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Would consider a package of multiple seconds for Steph Curry.
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Fair enough that you arent going to be competitive in the draft, thats your perrogative, but I just hope you respect those that are and don't undermine the game for others.
Of course not
I am going to try and be as competitive as I can be, and most definitely not undermine it for others
I don't want to ruin the game for anyone
Well you're ruining my morning with that hold-your-nose deal. You could have asked any two other GMs and got two better offers.
Also for shame Big Al.
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pj, hop over here and make ya pick!
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All right, I'm going to be away for a good chunk of the morning, so I'm going to make my pick now. With the 2.1, Washington selects
Joakim Noah.
Nice I like the Noah and Wall pairing. This round is going to wipe out a lot of the quality bigs.
Noah was out grinding everybody last season. Nice pick up RR.
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All right, I'm going to be away for a good chunk of the morning, so I'm going to make my pick now. With the 2.1, Washington selects
Joakim Noah.
Nice I like the Noah and Wall pairing. This round is going to wipe out a lot of the quality bigs.
Noah was out grinding everybody last season. Nice pick up RR.
Had him in consideration for #23 (before Gasol fell)
Love Noah's defense and passion.
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We wanted to reunite the U.Florida duo of Horford and Noah, but Rebus wouldn't let it be :'(
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Truthfot18 check pm's
I don't see anything ???
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Truthfot18 check pm's
I don't see anything ???
resent it
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Stepping offline for awhile but willing to move back from 2.11, though not out of the second round. Let me know.
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Stepping offline for awhile but willing to move back from 2.11, though not out of the second round. Let me know.
I'm also open to the same kind of offers - moving down but not out of the 2nd - but for the 2.10. ;D
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For those looking to move back I got 2.23 and some later round picks to play with.
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Hoping these next few picks can go quickly; I have a final presentation at 11:30 and I'd hate to not be able to make the pick myself.
Air can make the pick on his phone if need be, or I'll give a list to someone before I start presenting.
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With pick 2.2 the New York Knicks select.....
Brook Lopez
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With pick 2.2 the New York Knicks select.....
Brook Lopez
nooooooooooo
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BigAl! KC! Kane! Ron! You guys got this!
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Hey all looking to get back into the 3rd round. We have picks in the 4th and two in the 5th i am willing to move in the same deal. Let me know thanks.
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Kane, check PM's
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Everything going according to plan.
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Everything going according to plan.
You're trying to assemble the DKC Blazers, aren't you?
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Everything going according to plan.
Have a feeling who you're targeting...
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Everything going according to plan.
You're trying to assemble the DKC Blazers, aren't you?
Hah you got jokes, I'm kidding but no I'm not. :)
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Kane, check PM's
I don't see anything :(
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
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Thanks for keeping things moving, BigAl! TP
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Kane and KC you both have PMs.
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
Hmm, I had a few bigs ranked higher.
Team of the future award under progress in Houston?
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
Hmm, I had a few bigs ranked higher.
Team of the future award under progress in Houston?
I had
1. Lopez
2. Noah
3. Monroe
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
Hmm, I had a few bigs ranked higher.
Team of the future award under progress in Houston?
I had
1. Lopez
2. Noah
3. Monroe
Fair enough. I would probably slot somebody in front of Monroe but its pretty close.
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Taking offers on Lamarcus Aldridge. Come strong.
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Pleased he's still available, The Heat take their very own, Chris Bosh.
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With the 4th pick in the 2nd round of the CB Draft the Miami Heat select:
CHRIS BOSH
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David Stern seems to have his watch set 5 minutes slow.
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With the 5th pick in the 2nd round of the CB Draft the Golden State Warriors select:
Roy Hibbert
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Ron's up, then me.
Thanks for keeping things moving guys.
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
Wow, feeling remorse for stealing that Dallas trade? This seems awfully high for Monroe.
I've loved every other pick in the draft though. Lots of solid big men coming off the board. Bosh & Hibbert could easily prove being steals.
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Quite the run on big men.
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Ronaldo I sent you a PM trade offer for 2.6
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Quite the run on big men.
Not surprised. The top of this round was loaded with them.
Still a couple more.
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Ronaldo I sent you a PM trade offer for 2.6
No thanks.
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Quite the run on big men.
Not surprised. The top of this round was loaded with them.
Still a couple more.
Yeah, there are at least a half-dozen bigs left that I think you can construct a very nice front line around.
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Ronaldo I sent you a PM trade offer for 2.6
No thanks.
Boo :'(
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Houston Rockets take Greg Monroe
Wow, feeling remorse for stealing that Dallas trade? This seems awfully high for Monroe.
I've loved every other pick in the draft though. Lots of solid big men coming off the board. Bosh & Hibbert could easily prove being steals.
A 16 & 10 center with a polished offensive game with court vision? Not to mention he's only 23. Top of the 2nd round is where he should be picked.
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You got this, ron!
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I'm going to take Tyson Chandler
Was debating but didn't want AB to miss his pick.
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I'm going to take Tyson Chandler
Was debating but didn't want AB to miss his pick.
I like Chandler next to Aldridge. They should complement one another well.
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Absolutely, positively thrilled to be able to select the Ticket himself,
Kevin Garnett
A competitor, a champion, a Celtic, and a wonderful pairing with Al Horford.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
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3.9 and 4.17 available for a mid to late 2nd and 5/6
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Wade, 2-18 available. All offers must include multiple 13th rounders.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
Depends, I wouldn't take him with my first pick, but I'd take him if I had another guy.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
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I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Not to save face just because it's my pick, but I think Dirk has an arguable case to that. If you're looking for defense, KG is the better choice. However, with Marc Gasol already on-board, it was a no-brainer for my co-GM and I to choose Dirk over KG. After Dirk, I can only think of one other guy who is a veteran with championship experience and can be relied on for late-game heroics.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Why do I suspect that if either of you were GMs in the draft and someone took KG you'd unleash 35,000 words spread over 4 posts about how KG is an injury risk, won't play in back to backs, etc. 8) ;D
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Why do I suspect that if either of you were GMs in the draft and someone took KG you'd unleash 35,000 words spread over 4 posts about how KG is an injury risk, won't play in back to backs, etc. 8) ;D
If you're competing, it's strategy to exploit whatever weaknesses you can. When you're a neutral observer, you can be a bit more candid.
Since I'm not competing, I have no issue saying that I think KG is a phenomenal value at this stage. He's one of the very few players in this game that can launch a team to elite status on his own.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
I don't agree, at least completely. They're both vulnerable, and KG is the worse player right now. Won't be playing b2b's, minutes will be heavily monitored, and of the guys that I think a strong case can be made that they'll 'fall' next season, KG's is one of the top ones, along with Manu, Duncan, and Wade.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Why do I suspect that if either of you were GMs in the draft and someone took KG you'd unleash 35,000 words spread over 4 posts about how KG is an injury risk, won't play in back to backs, etc. 8) ;D
If you're competing, it's strategy to exploit whatever weaknesses you can. When you're a neutral observer, you can be a bit more candid.
Since I'm not competing, I have no issue saying that I think KG is a phenomenal value at this stage. He's one of the very few players in this game that can launch a team to elite status on his own.
I only wish Roy had felt this way two years ago.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Why do I suspect that if either of you were GMs in the draft and someone took KG you'd unleash 35,000 words spread over 4 posts about how KG is an injury risk, won't play in back to backs, etc. 8) ;D
If you're competing, it's strategy to exploit whatever weaknesses you can. When you're a neutral observer, you can be a bit more candid.
Since I'm not competing, I have no issue saying that I think KG is a phenomenal value at this stage. He's one of the very few players in this game that can launch a team to elite status on his own.
There's no way you can say this with a straight face. As C's fans, we all had to go through last season. I mean, much of the blame is on other members of the team, but at this point, there's no way KG can single-handedly launch a team to elite status on his own.
And honestly, outside of Lebron, there's no one who can.
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I think Garnett is going to see a pretty big drop-off in Brooklyn next year. Something like 12-13ppg and 7rpg. I am expecting a drop-off defensively too with KG moving back to PF.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
I don't agree, at least completely. They're both vulnerable, and KG is the worse player right now. Won't be playing b2b's, minutes will be heavily monitored, and of the guys that I think a strong case can be made that they'll 'fall' next season, KG's is one of the top ones, along with Manu, Duncan, and Wade.
Eh. The regular season only counts for seeding. Teams don't play back-to-backs in the post-season, so who cares? So long as KG is in the playoffs -- and he will be -- his team is going to compete. He'll be giving 35+ minutes, and he'll be playing elite defense and efficient offense. Oh, and he led the NBA in rebounding in the playoffs last year, too.
I suppose if people are arbitrarily going to factor in drop-offs that there's no evidence of, then yeah, don't take any player over the age of 30. If you're going for production and impact, though, KG is still a top-tier player.
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I think this run on bigs had to happen after 8 of the top 25 players chosen were PGs.
As most of you who have competed against me here know, like KGK, I am not a believer in building a team starting with a PG. Defense and rebounding wins championships, IMHO, not PG play.
So, yeah, I would value KG highly in this game. An elite defensive rebounding big that makes other players much but defensively with his presence is excellent value a quarter way through the 2nd round.
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Still willing to move down in the 2nd from 2.10. Very reluctant to move out of the round though. But if your guy is still up there, now's the time to snap him up before someone else does.
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There's no way you can say this with a straight face. As C's fans, we all had to go through last season. I mean, much of the blame is on other members of the team, but at this point, there's no way KG can single-handedly launch a team to elite status on his own.
Nonsense. The Celtics' defensive splits with KG in the game were extraordinary. When he was out, either while being rested or injured, the team fell off significantly.
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I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Not to save face just because it's my pick, but I think Dirk has an arguable case to that. If you're looking for defense, KG is the better choice. However, with Marc Gasol already on-board, it was a no-brainer for my co-GM and I to choose Dirk over KG. After Dirk, I can only think of one other guy who is a veteran with championship experience and can be relied on for late-game heroics.
In addition to Dirk, I also think Noah has a case for being a better big than KG. Even though I hate the dude, Noah's value to his team is as much, if not more, than KG's, and considering where they're at in their careers, I'd definitely tip my hat towards Noah.
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There's no way you can say this with a straight face. As C's fans, we all had to go through last season. I mean, much of the blame is on other members of the team, but at this point, there's no way KG can single-handedly launch a team to elite status on his own.
Nonsense. The Celtics' defensive splits with KG in the game were extraordinary. When he was out, either while being rested or injured, the team fell off significantly.
I don't disagree at all. However, that does nothing to overturn the fact that the C's barely struggled to be a .500 team. Again, I know there are other factors involved: Rondo's ACL, Sully's back, Doc's questionable coaching philosophies, etc. The point is that it's a lofty claim to say KG can elevate a team to elite status on his own when there's only one guy in the league who can claim that.
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Something you guys shouldn't forget, is we have an elite big who can play C when KG is out for back-to-backs.
Mister Horford.
And yes, I finished my presentation, so I'm back to talk basketball.
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I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Not to save face just because it's my pick, but I think Dirk has an arguable case to that. If you're looking for defense, KG is the better choice. However, with Marc Gasol already on-board, it was a no-brainer for my co-GM and I to choose Dirk over KG. After Dirk, I can only think of one other guy who is a veteran with championship experience and can be relied on for late-game heroics.
In addition to Dirk, I also think Noah has a case for being a better big than KG. Even though I hate the dude, Noah's value to his team is as much, if not more, than KG's, and considering where they're at in their careers, I'd definitely tip my hat towards Noah.
Noah does bring a lot of KG factors.
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This perhaps isn't the most popular opinion, but there's no way KG should have lasted until #32 in a one year exercise.
Sure, in the regular season he'll get some nights off. In the playoffs, though, he'll be playing 35 minutes every night, and will be heading up an elite defense.
I agree completely. If Duncan is a top 17 pick, Garnett has to be as well. Every big taken after Duncan, IMHO, isn't better than Kevin Garnett in a one year exercise.
Why do I suspect that if either of you were GMs in the draft and someone took KG you'd unleash 35,000 words spread over 4 posts about how KG is an injury risk, won't play in back to backs, etc. 8) ;D
If you're competing, it's strategy to exploit whatever weaknesses you can. When you're a neutral observer, you can be a bit more candid.
Since I'm not competing, I have no issue saying that I think KG is a phenomenal value at this stage. He's one of the very few players in this game that can launch a team to elite status on his own.
I only wish Roy had felt this way two years ago.
Blake Griffin, KG, and who else? I can't remember.
I was definitely skeptical of KG at center. His biggest asset as a defender is roaming and disrupting the other team. Against bigger, more physical centers, I thought he'd struggle. To some extent he did, but he handled himself much better than I expected.
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I suppose if people are arbitrarily going to factor in drop-offs that there's no evidence of, then yeah, don't take any player over the age of 30. If you're going for production and impact, though, KG is still a top-tier player.
There's a big difference in saying Kevin Garnett, who will be 38 years old come the playoffs next year, and 'any player over 30' will have a drop-off. It is arbitrary, but not equivalent in terms of credibility.
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KG's per-36 stats have hardly declined in his 30s. In fact, he's only down 3pts and 3rebs per 36 from his absolute prime.
So we'll monitor KG's minutes in the regular season. Not a problem. If all goes well, we'll make the playoffs at around a 5th or 6th seed, and then we'll unleash Garnett.
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KG's per-36 stats have hardly declined in his 30s. In fact, he's only down 3pts and 3rebs per 36 from his absolute prime.
So we'll monitor KG's minutes in the regular season. Not a problem. If all goes well, we'll make the playoffs at around a 5th or 6th seed, and then we'll unleash Garnett.
Don't set your sites so low. Even resting KG, I think you've got the foundation to do better than a 5th or 6th seed.
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I suppose if people are arbitrarily going to factor in drop-offs that there's no evidence of, then yeah, don't take any player over the age of 30. If you're going for production and impact, though, KG is still a top-tier player.
There's a big difference in saying Kevin Garnett, who will be 38 years old come the playoffs next year, and 'any player over 30' will have a drop-off. It is arbitrary, but not equivalent in terms of credibility.
In my own voting, I tend to evaluate based upon past performance, rather than making huge upward or downward projections based upon expected dropoffs or leaps in performance.
Until I see evidence of a decline in KG's game, I'll assume he can still play 33 - 37 highly effective minutes in the playoffs.
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SO I overslept for about an hour an you guys are taking all the big men available?
You guys are selfish... ;D
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I suppose if people are arbitrarily going to factor in drop-offs that there's no evidence of, then yeah, don't take any player over the age of 30. If you're going for production and impact, though, KG is still a top-tier player.
There's a big difference in saying Kevin Garnett, who will be 38 years old come the playoffs next year, and 'any player over 30' will have a drop-off. It is arbitrary, but not equivalent in terms of credibility.
In my own voting, I tend to evaluate based upon past performance, rather than making huge upward or downward projections based upon expected dropoffs or leaps in performance.
Until I see evidence of a decline in KG's game, I'll assume he can still play 33 - 37 highly effective minutes in the playoffs.
*Copies and pastes into 'Things Roy has said that might be useful later' folder*
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
I was just having a private discussion with another GM, saying that if you value winning now, you can't take Drummond before the fourth round.
Whatever his projections might be, 8 points, 7 rebounds, typically shaky rookie decision making, and no playoff experience isn't worth an early second to me.
I can understand really wanting Drummond, but I would have traded back. Of course, Davis + Drummond does give you a leg up in the team of the future voting.
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
Been waiting on this pick since about 1120. :(
Anyway, Phoenix will take the third best PF, after LA and a healthy Kevin Love:
David West
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
I was just having a private discussion with another GM, saying that if you value winning now, you can't take Drummond before the fourth round.
Whatever his projections might be, 8 points, 7 rebounds, typically shaky rookie decision making, and no playoff experience isn't worth an early second to me.
I can understand really wanting Drummond, but I would have traded back.
I see your point, I just didn't trust him making it to the 3rd. Also, I'm not constructing a team with plans to contend right away. I think Drummond will be a 10/10 guy within the next two years, and eventually an all star. Regardless of where I picked these two guys, the potential is hard to argue against in my opinion.
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
I wonder who is going for best team for the future...
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I really like David West. He's the type of guy you plug into a lineup and who gives you above-average contributions on both offense and defense.
Third best PF? Probably not in my mind, but he's very good.
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
I don't think he's a reach at all.
He's shown he can be productive already, a few more bumps in his minutes an he can greatly contribute to any team.
Excellent pick.
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Considering moving back into the 2nd. 3.7 and 4.19 available for a 2nd and 5th.
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Please settle down in taking big men, guys. Please?
There are plenty others here who needs some. Please? With maple syrup on top?
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
Been waiting on this pick since about 1120. :(
Anyway, Phoenix will take the third best PF, after LA and a healthy Kevin Love:
David West
West & Duncan will form the most boring, consistent, and underrated frontcourt in this draft. The only issue I have is that Duncan will become a full-time center.
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Orlando selects Serge Ibaka at 2.10, but rumor is he may not be staying for long...
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With how the draft has been going so far, the Los Angeles Lakers are definitely trying to get into the 3rd round. Please PM me or BleedGreen1989.
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Trading my 2 4ths for a late second and sixth.
4.3
4.20
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Orlando selects Serge Ibaka at 2.10, but rumor is he may not be staying for long...
Curious where he's headed to. Ibaka is another nice selection this round.
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Orlando selects Serge Ibaka at 2.10, but rumor is he may not be staying for long...
Curious where he's headed to. Ibaka is another nice selection this round.
I'm just glad I didn't get cornered into my comedy option of just reuniting the 2010 Lakers.
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3.22 and 4.4 for your early third rounder. I'd wait for your PM's.
You guys are ruining my strategy with all these big men looting. ;D
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
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Ibaka and Bron. Nice. You can essentially cover the 3/4, 3/5, and 4/5 with those two alone.
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So Minnesota has Serge Ibaka and Lebron hmm...
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Interesting. Perhaps not the guy I would have paired with Lebron. I like Lebron as a PF, and Ibaka isn't an ideal fit at center in my mind.
Or, for those who like Miami's Lebron / Bosh pairing, maybe he is.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Interesting. Perhaps not the guy I would have paired with Lebron. I like Lebron as a PF, and Ibaka isn't an ideal fit at center in my mind.
Or, for those who like Miami's Lebron / Bosh pairing, maybe he is.
Hard to hate the Bosh/Lebron pairing at this point.
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
Been waiting on this pick since about 1120. :(
Anyway, Phoenix will take the third best PF, after LA and a healthy Kevin Love:
David West
Hmm, a West and Duncan Frontcourt. That sounds good, I wonder what it would look like if you could add Kobe to that frontcourt pairing.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Interesting. Perhaps not the guy I would have paired with Lebron. I like Lebron as a PF, and Ibaka isn't an ideal fit at center in my mind.
Or, for those who like Miami's Lebron / Bosh pairing, maybe he is.
Hard to hate the Bosh/Lebron pairing at this point.
True. I think that pairing has shown that it's vulnerable to teams with two good big men, though. They almost lost to Indiana, and should have lost to San Antonio.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
Can't score outside the paint? Ibaka is almost automatic from mid-range and recently stretched his range to the 3 point line.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
Ibaka actually has a pretty strong jumper now. Anecdotal but this year he seemed to get more buckets outside the paint than in.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1111-Serge-Ibaka/season/2012-2013-REG
Look at "shot zones"
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
Ibaka has a nice mid-range jumper.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01/shooting/2013/
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Might be a bit early, but ill take Andre Drummond with the confidence that he reaches stardom. Can't go wrong with 2 20 year old big men with unlimited potential.
Been waiting on this pick since about 1120. :(
Anyway, Phoenix will take the third best PF, after LA and a healthy Kevin Love:
David West
Hmm, a West and Duncan Frontcourt. That sounds good, I wonder what it would look like if you could add Kobe to that frontcourt pairing.
Maybe if it was, say, for the hawks..then yeah I'd like it. Not in suns gear tho.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
Ibaka's actually developed into a pretty reliable mid-range threat. He actually attempted more field goals from 16-23 feet than around the rim last year, and he hit those mid-range jumpers at a 47% clip, which is very respectable.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1111-Serge-Ibaka/season/2012-2013-REG
Look at "shot zones"
Yikes. I think i just got...
VORPED.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
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Whoah, i did say Maybe I was unfamiliar, it looks like I very much was unfamiliar, sorry Serge.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1111-Serge-Ibaka/season/2012-2013-REG
Look at "shot zones"
Yikes. I think i just got...
VORPED.
The Vorp-ed site went snicker-snack!
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
I think you're unfamiliar. Ibaka's strength is face-up, spot-up shooting. Shot 57% from the field, 35% from 3, and had a 61% TS%. Combine that with great athleticism and elite defensive skills, I think they are a great inside-outside offense/defensive combo.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Maybe Im unfamiliar with Ibaka's offensive repetoire, but I don't like the idea of pairing Lebron with a big man that can't score outside the paint.
Ibaka has a nice mid-range jumper.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ibakase01/shooting/2013/
Didn't see it in the playoffs. When Russ went down Ibaka came up short, big time, when asked to play Robin.
I like Ibaka but there's tons of guys available I'd rather have playing alongside James.
Still you got Lebron. So minny is already a contender.
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i'm very upset my scrolling text --- the first of the draft BTW! --- is chopped.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
HAHA...sorry 'Toine.
Don't be like that. I'm sure we can find agreement on another trade.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
THE Walker Wiggle got lowballed. Take some comfort in your offer. Decent return.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
He thinks you got highballed and he got lowballed.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
No. I was low-balling him with trade offers and we couldn't come to an agreement. As long as Ibaka continued to slide, I kept moving down the line looking for someone to trade up with.
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Very, very reluctant to stop the run on centers, But with the 11th pick in the second round, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Andre Iguodala
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
THE Walker Wiggle got lowballed. Take some comfort in your offer. Decent return.
Pssst. Wiggle your pick is due... 17 seconds late... story of my life.
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KGs Knees is up. (I would assume he gave a list to someone.)
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Hilarious, the top of my draft board had five centers and Ibaka. I may even have been able to talk myself into Andre Drummond. Sorry to pump the breaks.
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TRADE
Orlando sends Serge Ibaka, 5.10, and 6.16
Minnesota sends 2.25, 3.25, and 6.1
Hahaha. TP this time. But in the future you can keep your lowball offers to yourself Minnesota.
You think I got lowballed, or am I misreading this? I felt like after the top 5-6 picks this round there was a pretty big plateau.
THE Walker Wiggle got lowballed. Take some comfort in your offer. Decent return.
Gotcha. Well, the offer we agreed to isn't the one that was initially made, so maybe I'm just more charming :-*
Nice pickup with Iggy. Seriously considered him at 10 if I'd kept the pick.
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Well, the offer we agreed to isn't the one that was initially made, so maybe I'm just more charming :-*
I don't know you, but that would almost have to be true.
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Very, very reluctant to stop the run on centers, But with the 11th pick in the second round, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Andre Iguodala
Boo. hiss.
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Well, the offer we agreed to isn't the one that was initially made, so maybe I'm just more charming :-*
That's certainly true.
Don't listen to him Wiggle...
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Something is seriously wrong when I can't find any fault in THE Walker Wiggle's first two picks.
Maybe he can redeem himself by starting Love at center and Iggy at PG.
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Very, very reluctant to stop the run on centers, But with the 11th pick in the second round, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Andre Iguodala
Boo. hiss.
Is that a compliment? And what do you think of Drummond high in Round 2? I've been waiting on you to weigh in. I expect him to take major strides this season, with only that sub-40 free throw percentage holding him back.
Now if I were Joe D. I'd drive Andre cross-county to Ricky Barry's house myself, while I still had some leverage over the kid.
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With the 12th pick in the 2nd round of the CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
MIKE CONLEY
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I'm curious as to what the Mod Squad does here.
My guess is that IP outsmarts himself. ;)
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I know a few picks have passed, but the Minnesota Timberwolves would like to acknowledge the acquistion of Serge Ibaka after trading up in the 2nd Round of the 2013 CB Draft to select him.
Wolves' President/GM McHales Pits Quote: "We are thrilled that we have been able to secure the rights to Serge today during the draft. He is an elite defensive presence that has led the league in blocks for three straight seasons. Not only is his defense elite, but his offensive game is also one of the best in the game. He has been in the top-10 for field-goal shooting percentage in each of the last three seasons as well. His offensive game has expanded to include a mid-range jumper that can extend to the three point line. LeBron and Ibaka provide numerous defensive options thanks to their versatility. We will continue to supplement our roster to build on our team identity of defense. Welcome to the team Serge."
(http://www.wallpapernba.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ibaka_vs_Blazers_Wallpaper.jpg)
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With the 12th pick in the 2nd round of the CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
MIKE CONLEY
His son's still on the board, then, right?
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Point of information: Can we go past our time without risking being skipped immediately while we have a conclave of the mods?
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Very, very reluctant to stop the run on centers, But with the 11th pick in the second round, the San Antonio Spurs select:
Andre Iguodala
Boo. hiss.
Is that a compliment? And what do you think of Drummond high in Round 2? I've been waiting on you to weigh in. I expect him to take major strides this season, with only that sub-40 free throw percentage holding him back.
Now if I were Joe D. I'd drive Andre cross-county to Ricky Barry's house myself, while I still had some leverage over the kid.
I really wanted to pair Iggy with Bosh so it's a compliment. And Drummond was taken way to early for a game that is " Make thebest team mostly based off last season unless IP and Roy are pitching a team."
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
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Point of information: Can we go past our time without risking being skipped immediately while we have a conclave of the mods?
Of course you guys are the mods.
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Point of information: Can we go past our time without risking being skipped immediately while we have a conclave of the mods?
Skip three mods at once and become a CB folk hero!
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Point of information: Can we go past our time without risking being skipped immediately while we have a conclave of the mods?
No prob. We are at lunch and so you can have until 1:30
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Welcome back, James.
(http://www.nba.com/media/act_james_harden.jpg)
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
Wow
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
Yikes. ::)
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
Big trade. Have to see who they put around their respective guys but I like it a lot better for Houston so far.
Can't really contend with Monroe as your #1, though you can put a nice team of the future together.
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It's not the CB Draft until AYE pull of some deals!
Are you not entertained?
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Point of information: Can we go past our time without risking being skipped immediately while we have a conclave of the mods?
(http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/thumb/d/d6/Conspire.PNG/300px-Conspire.PNG)
;D ;D ;D
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
Oh Yoki...
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
Big trade. Have to see who they put around their respective guys but I like it a lot better for Houston so far.
Can't really contend with Monroe as your #1, though you can put a nice team of the future together.
Didn't want to do it, but the run of big men is going fast so i'm stuck (at least I think I am) with the dilemma of get the best big left but not have enough wing depth or get a very good one, take a beating from the rest of the crew and just build from there.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
I put the #4 on the block yesterday, you should have.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
Yoki actually formally presented me with this offer. It was vetoed at first but we got around to re-working it because he had a very good reason for trading Harden.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
Yoki actually formally presented me with this offer. It was vetoed at first but we got around to re-working it because he had a very good reason for trading Harden.
I don't think I agree with this you trade the best SG when there is still some quality big men and some of these have gone unnoticed and might even be available in the 3rd round.
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At least Harden won't be playing PG anymore... I hope.
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Just for giggles, LA will entertain offers on Marc Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
So could I if I knew he'd get Monroe in return.
Also, before winning it all, my main goal was not to make any trades unless I was the one committing robbery or just don't trade at all. I'm no smooth talker but I've been had by enough on this blog through trades ;)
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Who is up now?
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Who is up now?
Lunch break. (Mod super team)
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
Yoki actually formally presented me with this offer. It was vetoed at first but we got around to re-working it because he had a very good reason for trading Harden.
I don't think I agree with this you trade the best SG when there is still some quality big men and some of these have gone unnoticed and might even be available in the 3rd round.
I'm not picking till 2.22. I expected the draft would be evened out with bigs and wings but the ran rough shot on the bigs. Even if I somehow manage to be patient and get lucky, then the third will be a free for all of good wings and guards, and I'm back to the same dilemma and end up with Harden along with decent pieces.
Harden is a franchise player no doubt, but Monroe is a very good player, he's highly underrated in this board (thanks BATF). If I play my cards right with my two 2nd's I can offset whatever Harden offers offensively (he doesnt offer much defensively anyways).
It came to a point where I'd rather have three very good players than 1 franchise, one good and one decent.
As of right now, the trade seems one sided, but last time I check I still have to draft in this round, twice might I add.
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Clippers are willing to make any move just send an offer.
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Willing to move back, send an offer in the next 10
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(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Al+Horford+Kevin+Garnett+Boston+Celtics+v+SBdN39Hzmg8l.jpg)
These guys will be working together now.
All fear Alvin Horfnett.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
Yoki actually formally presented me with this offer. It was vetoed at first but we got around to re-working it because he had a very good reason for trading Harden.
FWIW .... You still got more for Harden than Sam Presti did. :)
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Remember guys, this really wasn't very long ago...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRTrDrcuVOU
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Moooooooooooooods! Hurrrrrrrryyyyyyyy uuuuuuuuuuuuuup!
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Moooooooooooooods! Hurrrrrrrryyyyyyyy uuuuuuuuuuuuuup!
SuperMods are holding the draft hostage?
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I think what a lot of guys would have done Yoki is:
1. Don't panic - stay patient
2. Keep the franchise guy
3. Attempt to move your 3rd and another pick to move up in the 3rd
4. Draft and make trades later with who you draft.
You dumped a franchise player, there is usually no coming back from that.
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Aren't the mods technically out of time? Next pick is due at 1:40 and they deserve the full 10 minutes.
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(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Al+Horford+Kevin+Garnett+Boston+Celtics+v+SBdN39Hzmg8l.jpg)
These guys will be working together now.
All fear Alvin Horfnett.
::Whistle::
Foul. Two Shots.
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Back from break, I ask a bit of patience but if I don't see a pick for the mods soon I will auto select
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Making my pick in 3 ... Feel free to wow me.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
Yoki actually formally presented me with this offer. It was vetoed at first but we got around to re-working it because he had a very good reason for trading Harden.
FWIW .... You still got more for Harden than Sam Presti did. :)
Boom!
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Like many of the picks this morning. Don't like the trade for James Harden.
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Think we have a trade already, waiting on the guy. I'd ask til 1:38
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Boston selects Jrue Holiday
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Think we have a trade already, waiting on the guy. I'd ask til 1:38
Lucky I like you.
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I could of given you a better offer Yogi.
So could I if I knew he'd get Monroe in return.
Also, before winning it all, my main goal was not to make any trades unless I was the one committing robbery or just don't trade at all. I'm no smooth talker but I've been had by enough on this blog through trades ;)
BTW do y'all think there's a super-secret NBA GM board where guys like Danny Ferry and Geoff Petrie post things like:
Jeez OKCSam2008.. We would have given up more than Kevin Martin and a crappy #1 pick
... Yeah bc nooooo one knew Harden was on the block. My offer was better -- but we've all know OKCSam2008 was moving him!
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Boston selects Jrue Holiday
Ugh.
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My thoughts on the Monroe/Harden Swap
Harden being drafted with your own pick (ie you didn't have to trade up to select him) pretty much guarantees you a spot in the playoffs. He was the #4 overall pick so if you were willing to take him that high, you must have thought that he would have led you farther than all the rest.
Monroe will not be enough to go deep in this tournament by himself. Hopefully you have some shrewd drafting/team building concepts in mind to win over the posters here. Generally, whoever gets the best player in the deal wins the deal. Good luck Yoki.
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miami selects Josh Smith.
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Think we have a trade already, waiting on the guy. I'd ask til 1:38
Lucky I like you.
TP for being awesome.
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Willing to trade back in the 3rd. Offers get TPs.
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Think we have a trade already, waiting on the guy. I'd ask til 1:38
Lucky I like you.
I like you too, KC. Let's keep this on point and about the draft though, mmmkay?
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miami selects Josh Smith.
rats =(
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James Harden was able to singlehandedly with a few other guys raise Houston's record from a measly .515 and 9th in the West to a whopping .549 and 8th. Game changer!
...I guess what I'm saying is, he puts up good numbers but is he really that valuable?
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Boston selects Jrue Holiday
Nice pick, it must be nice having Kyrie and the Kyrie stopper. ;D
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Think we have a trade already, waiting on the guy. I'd ask til 1:38
Lucky I like you.
I like you too, KC. Let's keep this on point and about the draft though, mmmkay?
Saw this joke coming when I made the post and didn't care.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Jrue Holiday, 5.13
Chicago sends: 2.23, 4.20
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My thoughts on the Monroe/Harden Swap
Harden being drafted with your own pick (ie you didn't have to trade up to select him) pretty much guarantees you a spot in the playoffs. He was the #4 overall pick so if you were willing to take him that high, you must have thought that he would have led you farther than all the rest.
Monroe will not be enough to go deep in this tournament by himself. Hopefully you have some shrewd drafting/team building concepts in mind to win over the posters here. Generally, whoever gets the best player in the deal wins the deal. Good luck Yoki.
Yep, that's pretty much what I'm trying to do, hopefully.
I do this pretty much every year (trading superstars), it's fun to do it again.
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Quickly talking myself into the Bosh/Smith combo.
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With Pick 2.15, the Mile High City selects Oakland, CA. own (all Bay all day)
Damian Lillard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P****dzcXnfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P****dzcXnfE)
That should offset some of the Harden setback.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
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I felt like the mods would be my biggest threat so I knew I had to get Jrue and now I have 3 all stars. 8)
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James Harden was able to singlehandedly with a few other guys raise Houston's record from a measly .515 and 9th in the West to a whopping .549 and 8th. Game changer!
...I guess what I'm saying is, he puts up good numbers but is he really that valuable?
Lead offensive options that score at .600 TS% are pretty darn valuable.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
I may be wrong, but I think Lillard played the most minutes last season.
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Yoki, if I were you I'd go hard at team of the future now.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
Same age as Holiday.
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Brooklyn would like Andre Iguodala please and thank you
Taken by Walker Wiggle.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
Same age as Holiday.
Exactly that is what I was trying to point out Holiday has been in the league for 4 years and is the same age as Lillard, but people make a big fuzz about Lillard since he is a rookie.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
Same age as Holiday.
I Holiday had been a rookie this year, he would have run away with RotY
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TRADE
Houston trades: Greg Monroe, 2.15, 4.23
Denver trades: James Harden, 3.22, 5.22
...What the heck?
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Yoki, if I were you I'd go hard at team of the future now.
Nope, I like where I'm at right now.
James Harden was able to singlehandedly with a few other guys raise Houston's record from a measly .515 and 9th in the West to a whopping .549 and 8th. Game changer!
...I guess what I'm saying is, he puts up good numbers but is he really that valuable?
Lead offensive options that score at .600 TS% are pretty darn valuable.
And I traded him for Greg Monroe, Damian Lillard (who has a .546 TS%, not bad of a drop off) and still have another 2nd rounder later who could be an all star. I say I like what I got, compare to Harden, some all star big and a decent PG.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
I may be wrong, but I think Lillard played the most minutes last season.
Ron, do you check player comparison?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=holidjr01&y1=2013&p2=lillada01&y2=2013
Lillard: .429 FG, .368 3pt, .546 TS, .501 eFG, .844 FT
Holiday: .431 FG, .368 3pt, .496 TS, .466 eFG, .752 FT
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Brooklyn will take Kawhi Leonard
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
I may be wrong, but I think Lillard played the most minutes last season.
Ron, do you check player comparison?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=holidjr01&y1=2013&p2=lillada01&y2=2013
Lillard: .429 FG, .368 3pt, .546 TS, .501 eFG, .844 FT
Holiday: .431 FG, .368 3pt, .496 TS, .466 eFG, .752 FT
Yes, difference is that Lillard had Aldridge and a much better supporting cast than Holiday. Look at Holiday's FG% by month each month it was declining because he had to do everything since he had such a crappy supporting cast.
Also hence why I said I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
Good thing is now he has 2 other all stars next to him and I still have good picks. :D
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Brooklyn will take Kawhi Leonard
Boo. Washington wanted him with 3.1.
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Brooklyn will take Kawhi Leonard
Y U TAKE MY GUY!
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
Same age as Holiday.
I Holiday had been a rookie this year, he would have run away with RotY
I hope so, he's a 3rd year NBA player.
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Just to pile on too, now that the pick is not imminent, Houston is just straight jackin' fools at this point. BigAl got teeth y'all, don't be fooled.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
I may be wrong, but I think Lillard played the most minutes last season.
Ron, do you check player comparison?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=holidjr01&y1=2013&p2=lillada01&y2=2013
Lillard: .429 FG, .368 3pt, .546 TS, .501 eFG, .844 FT
Holiday: .431 FG, .368 3pt, .496 TS, .466 eFG, .752 FT
Yes, difference is that Lillard had Aldridge and a much better supporting cast than Holiday. Look at Holiday's FG% by month each month it was declining because he had to do everything since he had such a crappy supporting cast.
Lillard is a rookie. His first year in the NBA and he already produced the same numbers as an All Star PG who played for 4 years.
And that him, not doing everything.
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2-18 on the block. Let me know if you're interested. Also, Wade can be had.
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Just to pile on too, now that the pick is not imminent, Houston is just straight jackin' fools at this point. BigAl got teeth y'all, don't be fooled.
For real. >:(
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Want to move up in the third to 3.7? PM me.
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I literally just said to air: "everyone's forgetting about Lillard."
I don't think no one forgot about him the thing is he is 23 and wasnt extremely efficient his first season. I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
I may be wrong, but I think Lillard played the most minutes last season.
Ron, do you check player comparison?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=holidjr01&y1=2013&p2=lillada01&y2=2013
Lillard: .429 FG, .368 3pt, .546 TS, .501 eFG, .844 FT
Holiday: .431 FG, .368 3pt, .496 TS, .466 eFG, .752 FT
Yes, difference is that Lillard had Aldridge and a much better supporting cast than Holiday. Look at Holiday's FG% by month each month it was declining because he had to do everything since he had such a crappy supporting cast.
Lillard is a rookie. His first year in the NBA and he already produced the same numbers as an All Star PG who played for 4 years.
And that him, not doing everything.
Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
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The Sixers select DeMarcus Cousins who is finally going to "get it" this year (which might have to do with him being up for an extension).
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Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
Small sample size, doesn't count. Didn't count for me, doesn't count for you.
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Yoki, if I were you I'd go hard at team of the future now.
Nope, I like where I'm at right now.
James Harden was able to singlehandedly with a few other guys raise Houston's record from a measly .515 and 9th in the West to a whopping .549 and 8th. Game changer!
...I guess what I'm saying is, he puts up good numbers but is he really that valuable?
Lead offensive options that score at .600 TS% are pretty darn valuable.
Damian Lillard (who has a .546 TS%, not bad of a drop off)
Average for a heavy rotation guard is around .543 TS%, (G playing 25+ MPG)
Going from top 10 to average is a big drop off. Especially when you consider that Harden was the focal point of the Rockets offense and most of the guys above him are dedicated 3 point shooters offensively.
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So, I may not be out of a meeting in time to make the 2.25. Since it's the last pick of the round, is it ok if I make it a little later this afternoon? It'd be 30-40 minutes late max.
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Look at Holiday's FG% by month each month it was declining because he had to do everything since he had such a crappy supporting cast.
Also hence why I said I gave Jrue the nod because of defense.
CB Draft, where you try to spin a bad post all-star split as a reason "why" you took a guy! ;)
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Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
Small sample size, doesn't count. Didn't count for me, doesn't count for you.
No you're wrong they played this year and Kyrie had 4 points and 4 TO's in 19 minutes. Jrue made a fool out of him. I think 4 games is more than enough especially when it has been pretty consistent since the most points Kyrie has ever had against Jrue is 12.
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Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
Lillard doesnt have to. Kyrie will manage to shut himself down with injuries.
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Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
Lillard doesnt have to. Kyrie will manage to shut himself down with injuries.
Well played, my friend.
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Either way they're the same age. Let me know when Lillard shuts down Kyrie.
Lillard doesnt have to. Kyrie will manage to shut himself down with injuries.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you're tailoring your team to stopping Kyrie Irving, you're focusing on the wrong guy originally from Cleveland.
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So, I may not be out of a meeting in time to make the 2.25. Since it's the last pick of the round, is it ok if I make it a little later this afternoon? It'd be 30-40 minutes late max.
No problem
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The Sixers select DeMarcus Cousins who is finally going to "get it" this year (which might have to do with him being up for an extension).
Best talent left on the board, have fun!
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If you're tailoring your team to stopping Kyrie Irving, you're focusing on the wrong guy originally from Cleveland.
No, I'm still focusing on that other guy also hence why I got Chandler.
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So, I may not be out of a meeting in time to make the 2.25. Since it's the last pick of the round, is it ok if I make it a little later this afternoon? It'd be 30-40 minutes late max.
No problem
Thanks Nick - hopefully I won't be late at all but these things tend to drag on.
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If you're tailoring your team to stopping Kyrie Irving, you're focusing on the wrong guy originally from Cleveland.
No, I'm still focusing on that other guy also hence why I got Chandler.
Chandler had a hard time stopping Paul George, though.
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If you're tailoring your team to stopping Kyrie Irving, you're focusing on the wrong guy originally from Cleveland.
No, I'm still focusing on that other guy also hence why I got Chandler.
So you got Chandler to stop Lebron? He wouldn't have a chance.
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No one "stops" LeBron. The 2007-2008 Celtics couldn't stop LeBron with the best defense I've seen an NBA team play without resorting to actual felony level violence.
Having a top flight interior defender who can rotate correctly and keep LeBron from absolutely slicing you up is the name of the game. That gives you a chance to beat them.
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Hawks (I'm the Hawks, right?) select:
Paul Pierce
Championship experience and old man strength all around.
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If you're tailoring your team to stopping Kyrie Irving, you're focusing on the wrong guy originally from Cleveland.
No, I'm still focusing on that other guy also hence why I got Chandler.
So you got Chandler to stop Lebron? He wouldn't have a chance.
I never said I got Chandler to "Stop" Lebron. I got Chandler to help slow down Lebron.
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Hawks (I'm the Hawks, right?) select:
Paul Pierce
Championship experience and old man strength all around.
I like it. Wade and Pierce on the wing is pretty formidable, though not as formidable as it would've been 5 years ago.
Can't believe a couple of guys are still on the table.
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No one "stops" LeBron. The 2007-2008 Celtics couldn't stop LeBron with the best defense I've seen an NBA team play without resorting to actual felony level violence.
Having a top flight interior defender who can rotate correctly and keep LeBron from absolutely slicing you up is the name of the game. That gives you a chance to beat them.
From what I've learned here, to win you don't gear on stopping LBJ, you make sure that everyone else that you got stops or outplays his.
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Debated taking Boogie Cousins at the 2.1 and pairing him with Wall but just couldn't pull the trigger.
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Hawks (I'm the Hawks, right?) select:
Paul Pierce
Championship experience and old man strength all around.
I like it. Wade and Pierce on the wing is pretty formidable, though not as formidable as it would've been 5 years ago.
Thanks. I like the pairing, but based on IP's experience with those two last year not everyone feels the same way. Still, old man basketball!
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Only this man stops LeBron and he is on my team!
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Hawks (I'm the Hawks, right?) select:
Paul Pierce
Championship experience and old man strength all around.
I like it. Wade and Pierce on the wing is pretty formidable, though not as formidable as it would've been 5 years ago.
Can't believe a couple of guys are still on the table.
You should've voted last year.
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Nobody stops this!
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No one "stops" LeBron. The 2007-2008 Celtics couldn't stop LeBron with the best defense I've seen an NBA team play without resorting to actual felony level violence.
Having a top flight interior defender who can rotate correctly and keep LeBron from absolutely slicing you up is the name of the game. That gives you a chance to beat them.
From what I've learned here, to win you don't gear on stopping LBJ, you make sure that everyone else that you got stops or outplays his.
You can attempt to limit his effectiveness by clogging up the paint with competent help defense. Solid interior defense helps that. Keep him outside.
You give him free lanes and its game over.
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Anybody hear from Riah or have a list? I'm trying to make my pick ASAP. Got real life things to take care of soon.
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Good luck boys/girls...these two aren't giving you anything easy
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Say, who wants Greg Monroe? Do you?
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
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The Sixers select DeMarcus Cousins who is finally going to "get it" this year (which might have to do with him being up for an extension).
Best talent left on the board, have fun!
Thanks Faf, TP for being the only person to comment on my pick.
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Houston Rockets will take Big Al Jefferson
Pick and roll will be deadly. Tha Futureeeeee
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Quickly talking myself into the Bosh/Smith combo.
Excellent pairing. Complement one another very well.
They'll be very difficult for most teams to matchup against. So much quickness. Nowhere for a slow footed big man to hide.
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The Sixers select DeMarcus Cousins who is finally going to "get it" this year (which might have to do with him being up for an extension).
Best talent left on the board, have fun!
Thanks Faf, TP for being the only person to comment on my pick.
I agree with Faf. I was pretty disappointed when the Mod Squad decided to trade down, rather than drafting Boogie.
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Houston Rockets will take Big Al Jefferson
Pick and roll will be deadly. Tha Futureeeeee
I can't remember a single pick and roll Big Al has done in his career, that's not a good thing.
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Good luck boys/girls...these two aren't giving you anything easy
I'd just like to point out that outside of shot-blocking, Ibaka is a sorry defender.
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Boston selects Jrue Holiday
Ugh.
Thanks for being the only person besides myself to comment on I.P's pick. TP.
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Good luck boys/girls...these two aren't giving you anything easy
I'd just like to point out that outside of shot-blocking, Ibaka is a sorry defender.
While not DPOY worthy, he's not a poor defender.
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Edit : OKC takes Andre Iguodala
I'm an idiot lol sorry
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Good luck boys/girls...these two aren't giving you anything easy
I'd just like to point out that outside of shot-blocking, Ibaka is a sorry defender.
While not DPOY worthy, he's not a poor defender.
Not poor, but definitely not lock-down, either. I think Ibaka needs a defensive anchor behind him.
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OKC takes Kevin Love, PF
Gone last round.
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OKC takes Kevin Love, PF
He was taken in the first round. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Meeting's pushed back a week. Feel like I got a snow day or something.
Houston Rockets will take Big Al Jefferson
Pick and roll will be deadly. Tha Futureeeeee
I don't think Al is much of a P+R guy either. And your team's gonna need some pretty amazing defensive pieces to stop anybody.
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OKC takes Kevin Love, PF
1st page of this thread has everyone that was taken and everyone that is eligible.
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Fixed sorry guys lol
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Fixed sorry guys lol
No it's not, Iggy was taken today.
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Good luck boys/girls...these two aren't giving you anything easy
I'd just like to point out that outside of shot-blocking, Ibaka is a sorry defender.
While not DPOY worthy, he's not a poor defender.
Umm... yeah he is. His footwork and positioning is awful and gives up ground way too easily. I mean, it's a telling sign when you're forced into playing defense like this:
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/6977133/ibakad.0_standard_709.0.gif)
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Try again Rondo Show...Iguodala is gone too.
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Try again Rondo Show...Iguodala is gone too.
I feel like TWW is getting the respect he deserves as he picked both Iggy and Love. ;D
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(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/cbf/d69/cbfd6972-18fa-4427-b65a-eb992ea50793)
So who is who? ;D ;D
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Omg please excuse my foolishness. Having major difficulty reading today lol
OKC takes Jeff Green!
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Try again Rondo Show...Iguodala is gone too.
I feel like TWW is getting the respect he deserves as he picked both Iggy and Love. ;D
I don't know... Maybe it's disrespect, since TRS thought they were both there at the end of the second round.
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Omg please excuse my foolishness. Having major difficulty reading today lol
OKC takes Jeff Green!
The pressure got to you.
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Ibaka has poor "fundamental defensive" habits. But he's still a mobile, active, and disruptive defender. Definite plus on that end of the floor.
Also no please don't put GIFs in the thread, bogs my work computer something fierce.
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Omg please excuse my foolishness. Having major difficulty reading today lol
OKC takes Jeff Green!
Very interesting pick, considering another wing player still has yet to be drafted.
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Too early for Green, IMO.
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OKC takes Jeff Green!
Edgar and I feel vindicated for picking him at 5.1 last year, and getting almost no credit for him. Greenie had himself a second half, that's for sure.
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Will pick in a minute, ya'll stole my folks. I'm looking at you Riah22.
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Meeting's pushed back a week. Feel like I got a snow day or something.
Houston Rockets will take Big Al Jefferson
Pick and roll will be deadly. Tha Futureeeeee
I don't think Al is much of a P+R guy either. And your team's gonna need some pretty amazing defensive pieces to stop anybody.
Well, if you look at his teams the past few years. I don't think he has had a capable enough ball handler and distributor to execute the pick and roll with. His offensive repertoire takes some of the scoring load off of Harden and will command some double teams in the post which will help spot up Harden for easy jumpers. I feel confident that the players I'm eyeing will be available when I make my selection in the 3rd round. And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
Just saw this. Riah now has Melo and Deng.
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Try again Rondo Show...Iguodala is gone too.
I feel like TWW is getting the respect he deserves as he picked both Iggy and Love. ;D
I don't know... Maybe it's disrespect, since TRS thought they were both there at the end of the second round.
Haha nah just the product of getting up at 5 AM and taking a 5 hour plane ride. As you can tell I'm off my game
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Will pick in a minute, ya'll stole my folks. I'm looking at you Riah22.
riah is on his honeymoon and will be gone all week.
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Green is probably a reach, based upon his historical production. If he can carry over his second half production -- including being a very good outside shooter and defender -- then this is a solid pick. Green's production was on Deng's level.
I'm not saying that that will happen; I'm still a bit skeptical. The pick isn't an off-the-wall one, though.
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
Just saw this. Riah now has Melo and Deng.
3 / 4 small ball lineup?
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Gotten a few offers with a later third and parts for 3.7. We could also move into the late 2nd. Keep sending em in, we'll keep giving TPs.
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
Just saw this. Riah now has Melo and Deng.
3 / 4 small ball lineup?
Im guessing so.
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And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
I don't want to act like Harden is a terrible defender, though he's not great, partly because of how much energy he expends on O. Al on the other hand...
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
Just saw this. Riah now has Melo and Deng.
3 / 4 small ball lineup?
Im guessing so.
That's a pretty intriguing combo at the 3/4, too. Melo was significantly more effective at the 4, and his spotty defense can be more easily covered at that position.
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And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
Big Al is a bad defender, he's said so himself.
Harden was bad this year, really bad full on designated hitter Kobe mode of ignoring the play at times. But that's an effort issue, he was good for OKC off the bench with less offensive load.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9562293/al-jefferson-michael-kidd-gilchrist-charlotte-bobcats-plan
He's a bit plodding in space, and has struggled badly to corral opposing point guards. "It ain't no secret around the league that I struggle with my defense," Jefferson says. "My pick-and-roll defense is my weakness. And that's mind over matter. I just gotta suck it up, get my ass out there, and do it."8
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With the 19th pick in the 2nd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
LUOL DENG
Just saw this. Riah now has Melo and Deng.
3 / 4 small ball lineup?
Im guessing so.
That's a pretty intriguing combo at the 3/4, too. Melo was significantly more effective at the 4, and his spotty defense can be more easily covered at that position.
Both Deng/Anthony are good small-ball PFs.
I'm guessing most teams would put their PF on Deng? Not sure.
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And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
Jefferson is a horrible, awful, bad, putrid defender.
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
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And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
Jefferson is a horrible, awful, bad, putrid defender.
He's not good, but he's salvageable. For him to be part of a good team defense, I think you'd need to see something like the 2010 Celtics, where Big Al could play the Shaq role. A strong defending PF and defensive wings would go a long way toward solving Jefferson's defensive woes.
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Only this man stops LeBron and he is on my team!
Pssst.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDT-xCxyVfU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDT-xCxyVfU)
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Wow, I had 3 guys I was thinking about at 2.10, and the only one taken is Iggy. The move back is looking solid.
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
I'd love to see Gay be that guy. He's got all the tools to be an elite defender, but not the instincts and usually not the hustle.
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
I'd love to see Gay be that guy. He's got all the tools to be an elite defender, but not the instincts and usually not the hustle.
I would not disagree that he lacks the motor, but he has shown before that he can lockdown with the best of them, that's good enough for me.
Now I got THREE scoring options, pick your poison!
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There is still a TON of talent left on the board.
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There is still a TON of talent left on the board.
Absolutely true. There's a lot of parity in this tier, too; a lot of the guys available at the end of the second easily could have been taken at the top of the round.
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And stop acting like Harden and Jefferson are terrible defenders.
Jefferson is a horrible, awful, bad, putrid defender.
Stop. Jefferson is by no means a good defender but he's no worse than Dirk, you have Gasol to off set his defensive woes. I didn't draft Jefferson to play defense. His offensive skill set was more appealing to me with Harden already on board. And last time I checked, we got 11 more rounds of this thing. I'm pretty sure I can find some defensive minded players to round out my roster.
Now get off my boy Big Al's back.
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I have no problem with the way Ibaka stepped up on Griffin in that GIF. All Griffin can do effectively is drive to the hoop for dunks/easy baskets. As a defender, when you see the ball is headed his way you need to step up and cut off his lane to the basket.
Did that look a little awkward? Yes...but the right mentality was applied.
Ibaka is 23 years old and has made two 1st Team All-NBA Defense teams as well as lead the league in blocks for three straight seasons. He is athletic which means he can rotate quickly, guard pick and rolls, and offer weak side defense. Rim protection is an important part of defensive schemes and I'm glad that I have the best rim protector in the game.
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
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Well finally.
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
See, this is what I'm talking about. Really good pick. If somebody had taken Gasol with the 5th pick of this round, would anybody have blinked?
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Stop. Jefferson is by no means a good defender but he's no worse than Dirk, you have Gasol to off set his defensive woes. I didn't draft Jefferson to play defense. His offensive skill set was more appealing to me with Harden already on board. And last time I checked, we got 11 more rounds of this thing. I'm pretty sure I can find some defensive minded players to round out my roster.
Now get off my boy Big Al's back.
Dirk finished last season giving up a whole .1ppp less than Jefferson. That's good to rank Dirk 218 spots ahead of Jefferson.
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
That's one of the other guys I looked at for 2.10. Great pickup this late.
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
See, this is what I'm talking about. Really good pick. If somebody had taken Gasol with the 5th pick of this round, would anybody have blinked?
Nope, a healthy Pau could easily be a first round pick
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
See, this is what I'm talking about. Really good pick. If somebody had taken Gasol with the 5th pick of this round, would anybody have blinked?
Nope, a healthy Pau could easily be a first round pick
Agreed. I considered making the Gasol/Gasol front court
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Also...
The Thunder were ranked third in the NBA for Defensive Efficiency (Pts Allowed per 100 Possessions).
Who are the top teams you might ask?
1) Indiana (Hibbert)
2) Memphis (Gasol)
3) OKC (Ibaka)
4) SA (Duncan)
5) CHI (Noah)
6) BOS (Garnett)
I think he's a better/more important defender than you give him credit for. Keep in mind that having an elite shot blocker changes the mentality of offensive players as well. In effort to not being stuffed, they tend to take outside shots/floaters which are in turn lower percentage shots.
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Awesome pick for Boston, The Irving/P Gasol tandem might be the best "value" tandem in the league given where they were selected.
And the talent is still heavy through the end of next round. There are 3-4 players that I could easily have foreseen going very early in the 2nd round that are still on the board.
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Pau was on Washington's list for 3.1. Curse you Mod Squad.
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Golden State picks Z-Bo
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Pau was on Washington's list for 3.1. Curse you Mod Squad.
He wouldn't've made it past me, even though a Kobe/P Gasol combo might bring back too many unpleasant memories to get much support around here.
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Golden State picks Z-Bo
Another good value pick. Randolph gets it done in the post.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
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Mod squad (Boston) picks Pau Gasol
See, this is what I'm talking about. Really good pick. If somebody had taken Gasol with the 5th pick of this round, would anybody have blinked?
Nope, a healthy Pau could easily be a first round pick
Agreed. I considered making the Gasol/Gasol front court
Gasol-Gasol front-court would be beastly. I love watching Euro-players for their passing/shooting ability. They play like the best old-man/pickup style basketball players around.
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Pau was on Washington's list for 3.1. Curse you Mod Squad.
Well that softens the blow of thinking deluding myself into believing he mighta lasted to 3.6....
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Also...
The Thunder were ranked third in the NBA for Defensive Efficiency (Pts Allowed per 100 Possessions).
Who are the top teams you might ask?
1) Indiana (Hibbert)
2) Memphis (Gasol)
3) OKC (Ibaka)
4) SA (Duncan)
5) CHI (Noah)
6) BOS (Garnett)
I think he's a better/more important defender than you give him credit for. Keep in mind that having an elite shot blocker changes the mentality of offensive players as well. In effort to not being stuffed, they tend to take outside shots/floaters which are in turn lower percentage shots.
Having Westbrook/Sefolosha as your backcourt goes a long way, and it's sort of sad how much disrespect Perkins gets around here now...
I mean, I'm not saying Ibaka is a negative or a non-factor for their defense, because his rim protection is definitely valuable. He's just a very overrated defender IMO because people all too often misconstrue blocks as an accurate metric of defensive ability.
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Golden State picks Z-Bo
This was the other guy Washington was going to take at 3.1.
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I'm here, just doing some due diligence. Pick in a few.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
With all due respect Commish. I did not know Pau was going to fall in 2.22 now, do i? Like everyone else, I expected Pau to be gone at 15. If I had that information I would have waited.
I think I did pretty good with the trade.
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Aw, nuts. Thought Gasol had already been selected. Nice pickup.
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Lots of really nice tandems so far this year. I think this competition is wide open.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
With all due respect Commish. I did not know Pau was going to fall in 2.22 now, do i? Like everyone else, I expected Pau to be gone at 15. If I had that information I would have waited.
I think I did pretty good with the trade.
Patience my young padawan. Its all about patience. ;) :D
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
With all due respect Commish. I did not know Pau was going to fall in 2.22 now, do i? Like everyone else, I expected Pau to be gone at 15. If I had that information I would have waited.
I think I did pretty good with the trade.
Patience my young padawan. Its all about patience. ;) :D
Not when quality big men are going out fast like pancakes. There's a time and place for waiting, this years 2nd round I thought was not it. I was wrong, but I would do it all over again if I see the board with the first 10 picks being quality bigs and there are 12 more selections ahead of me.
I managed to salvage a team with a franchise superstar into a group of borderline all stars.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
3.22 last year was Sanderson Mareplow (sound it out). Seems like he'd be a good pick.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
Its one of the risks of drafting top 5. But luckily the talent gap is pretty significant that teams with top 5 players can survive the wait. You too could have survived even if you didnt get Pau.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
Monroe, lillard, and gay really haven't achieved star status. To be fair harden has only attained it for one year.
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All right, I'm torn but I think this guy is less likely to be around for my next pick.
Orlando Kobes select Paul Millsap
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
There's actually still a few quality big men out there.
And don't read me the wrong way. I'm not trying to be critical because I have yet to see how you fill out your team. I obviously can't blame you for not having the foresight of knowing Pau would still be on the board at 2.22, either. However, nick compared Lillard/Gay/Monroe and Harden/Gasol, and like I said earlier: it's not even close.
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There's one name in particular that I'm surprised to see not go drafted in the 2nd round.
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Also...
The Thunder were ranked third in the NBA for Defensive Efficiency (Pts Allowed per 100 Possessions).
Who are the top teams you might ask?
1) Indiana (Hibbert)
2) Memphis (Gasol)
3) OKC (Ibaka)
4) SA (Duncan)
5) CHI (Noah)
6) BOS (Garnett)
I think he's a better/more important defender than you give him credit for. Keep in mind that having an elite shot blocker changes the mentality of offensive players as well. In effort to not being stuffed, they tend to take outside shots/floaters which are in turn lower percentage shots.
Having Westbrook/Sefolosha as your backcourt goes a long way, and it's sort of sad how much disrespect Perkins gets around here now...
I mean, I'm not saying Ibaka is a negative or a non-factor for their defense, because his rim protection is definitely valuable. He's just a very overrated defender IMO because people all too often misconstrue blocks as an accurate metric of defensive ability.
A lot of those teams have good backcourt defense though...
Conley/Allen
Hill/George
Westbrook/Sefolosha
Leonard
Butler/Deng
Rondo/Bradley
The foundation of my teams defense is set with LeBron who is a premier perimeter defender that can guard any position 1-4 and Ibaka who can protect the rim from slashers and big men. I also think those two can run the pick-and-pop together as well as Ibaka spotting up along the baseline for LeBron to find him on a drive-and-dish. I'm happy with my foundation for sure.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
With all due respect Commish. I did not know Pau was going to fall in 2.22 now, do i? Like everyone else, I expected Pau to be gone at 15. If I had that information I would have waited.
I think I did pretty good with the trade.
Patience my young padawan. Its all about patience. ;) :D
Not when quality big men are going out fast like pancakes. There's a time and place for waiting, this years 2nd round I thought was not it. I was wrong, but I would do it all over again if I see the board with the first 10 picks being quality bigs and there are 12 more selections ahead of me.
Well, except that I mentioned Gasol by name via PM to you? I may not have mod credibility, but THE Walker Wiggle gives solid advice
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All right, I'm torn but I think this guy is less likely to be around for my next pick.
Orlando Kobes select Paul Millsap
I like it, very underrated player who will very willingly take a back seat to Kobe
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Dang it. I hate seeing IP get some much love for a pick, but I can't bring myself to criticize the selection.
I can't quit you, Pau.
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All right, I'm torn but I think this guy is less likely to be around for my next pick.
Orlando Kobes select Paul Millsap
I like it, very underrated player who will very willingly take a back seat to Kobe
Thanks, he's a do-everything guy who I think will fit in well with the kind of lineup I'm trying to slap together.
Gonna have to nail this next round or two though.
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Okay, I have a headache am going to go hang by the pool for a while and do some laps.
I believe the Big Board, Eligible Players and Rosters post are all up to date.
Please check the first page and make sure I have your rosters correct and if you made any trades that I have you selecting where you should. Any mistakes, let me know. I'm out for a while.
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Gasol, Randolph, Milsapp gone makes Washington sad. :'( :'(
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
Harden/Gasol, and it's not even close.
And who will I put next to Harden and Gasol at 3.22? Again, I worked on the assumption that the big men talents are going out fast, I had to do something.
You're right, Harden and Gasol seems to be a good pairing compare to Lillard/Gay/Monroe (who BTW is not bad, at all). I already told this to Commish, if I had info that Gasol would drop, I would wait. But I don't and quality big men are being snatched like candy from a piñata early. I decided to rebuild instead of the risk of waiting.
It turned pretty good, great actually. Solid core of star players.
Its one of the risks of drafting top 5. But luckily the talent gap is pretty significant that teams with top 5 players can survive the wait. You too could have survived even if you didnt get Pau.
Not without a big man who either is a low post threat or a rim protector.
And the way the board shaped up early this round, I thought there the quality bigs will be gone by the time I pick 2.22.
Had to do something. And I disagree about the drop off from Harden/Gasol.
Lillard is in the same mold as Harden, not as efficient but in the same mold. He's a scorer who can light it up and also a solid playmaker. Whatever Harden does, Lillard can in a level down a notch.
The Harden trade gave me Greg Monroe though, an ultra skilled Center who's always a dual threat in the midrange or in the post. Lillard ran the pick and pop well with Aldridge, well, he can as well with Monroe, who by the way, also rolls (compare to LMA who only likes to shoot midrange). I got my scorer, playmaker, inside presence and rebounder from that trade.
And then I get Rudy Gay, who's a weak #1 option but a great #2. Solid defender, can score on his own. CLUTCH. Can I get that level of talent in 3.22? I don't think so.
I think I did good with my trade.
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Gasol, Randolph, Milsapp gone makes Washington sad. :'( :'(
It's a sign! Trade your 3rd to the Lakers ;)
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Okay, I have a headache am going to go hang by the pool for a while and do some laps.
I believe the Big Board, Eligible Players and Rosters post are all up to date.
Please check the first page and make sure I have your rosters correct and if you made any trades that I have you selecting where you should. Any mistakes, let me know. I'm out for a while.
Very impressive work keeping everything up to date, nick. You're a workhorse.
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Looking back at Yoki's trade, who would you rather have:
Lillard/Gay/Monroe
or
Harden/P Gasol
For me the answer is easy. I would rather have Harden/Gasol and have the patience to see someone drop in my lap at the end of the 3rd like gasol and a couple of other players have dropped in this round.
With all due respect Commish. I did not know Pau was going to fall in 2.22 now, do i? Like everyone else, I expected Pau to be gone at 15. If I had that information I would have waited.
I think I did pretty good with the trade.
Patience my young padawan. Its all about patience. ;) :D
Not when quality big men are going out fast like pancakes. There's a time and place for waiting, this years 2nd round I thought was not it. I was wrong, but I would do it all over again if I see the board with the first 10 picks being quality bigs and there are 12 more selections ahead of me.
Well, except that I mentioned Gasol by name via PM to you? I may not have mod credibility, but THE Walker Wiggle gives solid advice
Yep, you did so. After we sent the trade unfortunately.
I had Gasol on my board even before the mention, just like I said, with how the big men got picked early, I thought he wont last till 2.22.
I already have Monroe, so I bolstered my wing instead.
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I think I did good with my trade.
In the end, that's what matters. Ultimately, this is just a time waster, meant for fun and some basketball discussion.
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I love doing trades so PM me. 8)
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I think I did good with my trade.
In the end, that's what matters. Ultimately, this is just a time waster, meant for fun and some basketball discussion.
Well said.
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I love doing trades so PM me. 8)
While I wasn't impressed by your first trade, you've put a nice squad together so far. Hopefully you find a scoring wing to complement your team.
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Will listen to offers on the 3.1 cause why not.
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Both Deron and Durant are available for trade.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
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Bosh the C has two rings and Smith is playing PF.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
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Bosh the C has two rings and Smith is playing PF.
Get Lebron and I will sign up for Bosh at C.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
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Bosh the C has two rings and Smith is playing PF.
Get Lebron and I will sign up for Bosh at C.
Haters gonna hate.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
Josh Smith has become underrated around here. He and Gasol were BPA for a long while. Some guys just tune Bill Simmons out. But he got it right on Smoove.
Fact: For the past five years, he's been the best or second-best player for a team that went 228-166 and made the playoffs every year.
Fact: Since 2008, Josh Smith has won more playoff series (three) than Chris Paul (two).
Fact: In the last four seasons, Josh Smith averaged 17.0 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.9 assists and 3.2 stocks (steals + blocks) while shooting 47.5 percent and missing just 12 games total.
Fact: In nine years, Josh Smith never missed more than 13 games in one season, and he's missed only 46 games total for his career. He's durable as hell.
Fact: If you made a "Best Forwards in Basketball" list right now, LeBron and Durant would go first and second, obviously, followed by Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Dirk Nowitzki. If Kevin Love is healthy, I'd have him sixth, followed by Blake Griffin seventh.8 You know who's eighth if you threw out salaries and just based this list on "What am I getting every night on both ends RIGHT NOW if I need a quality forward to play 36 minutes a night for me as my best or second-best player on a playoff team"? That's right, Josh Smith. You'd take him over Serge Ibaka, Anthony Davis and everyone else except mayyyyyyyybe David West.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
Josh Smith has become underrated around here. He and Gasol were BPA for a long while. Some guys just tune Bill Simmons out. But he got it right on Smoove.
Fact: For the past five years, he's been the best or second-best player for a team that went 228-166 and made the playoffs every year.
Fact: Since 2008, Josh Smith has won more playoff series (three) than Chris Paul (two).
Fact: In the last four seasons, Josh Smith averaged 17.0 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.9 assists and 3.2 stocks (steals + blocks) while shooting 47.5 percent and missing just 12 games total.
Fact: In nine years, Josh Smith never missed more than 13 games in one season, and he's missed only 46 games total for his career. He's durable as hell.
Fact: If you made a "Best Forwards in Basketball" list right now, LeBron and Durant would go first and second, obviously, followed by Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Dirk Nowitzki. If Kevin Love is healthy, I'd have him sixth, followed by Blake Griffin seventh.8 You know who's eighth if you threw out salaries and just based this list on "What am I getting every night on both ends RIGHT NOW if I need a quality forward to play 36 minutes a night for me as my best or second-best player on a playoff team"? That's right, Josh Smith. You'd take him over Serge Ibaka, Anthony Davis and everyone else except mayyyyyyyybe David West.
God , I hate Carmello. But I agree with everything else he wrote there.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
Josh Smith has become underrated around here. He and Gasol were BPA for a long while. Some guys just tune Bill Simmons out. But he got it right on Smoove.
Fact: For the past five years, he's been the best or second-best player for a team that went 228-166 and made the playoffs every year.
Fact: Since 2008, Josh Smith has won more playoff series (three) than Chris Paul (two).
Fact: In the last four seasons, Josh Smith averaged 17.0 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.9 assists and 3.2 stocks (steals + blocks) while shooting 47.5 percent and missing just 12 games total.
Fact: In nine years, Josh Smith never missed more than 13 games in one season, and he's missed only 46 games total for his career. He's durable as hell.
Fact: If you made a "Best Forwards in Basketball" list right now, LeBron and Durant would go first and second, obviously, followed by Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Dirk Nowitzki. If Kevin Love is healthy, I'd have him sixth, followed by Blake Griffin seventh.8 You know who's eighth if you threw out salaries and just based this list on "What am I getting every night on both ends RIGHT NOW if I need a quality forward to play 36 minutes a night for me as my best or second-best player on a playoff team"? That's right, Josh Smith. You'd take him over Serge Ibaka, Anthony Davis and everyone else except mayyyyyyyybe David West.
Who underrated?
Both are PFs. I don't like them as a pair.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
Yeah, overhyping uniquely talented frontocourts is TWW's job. :P
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
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Bosh the C has two rings and Smith is playing PF.
Get Lebron and I will sign up for Bosh at C.
Haters gonna hate.
Nope. Big lines have overwhelmed Bosh at C. Lebron bails out the team. Your team does not have the bail out player.
Both Bosh and Smith would be better at PF.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
Not together.
I don't like Bosh the C or Smith the SF.
Josh Smith has become underrated around here. He and Gasol were BPA for a long while. Some guys just tune Bill Simmons out. But he got it right on Smoove.
Fact: For the past five years, he's been the best or second-best player for a team that went 228-166 and made the playoffs every year.
Fact: Since 2008, Josh Smith has won more playoff series (three) than Chris Paul (two).
Fact: In the last four seasons, Josh Smith averaged 17.0 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 3.9 assists and 3.2 stocks (steals + blocks) while shooting 47.5 percent and missing just 12 games total.
Fact: In nine years, Josh Smith never missed more than 13 games in one season, and he's missed only 46 games total for his career. He's durable as hell.
Fact: If you made a "Best Forwards in Basketball" list right now, LeBron and Durant would go first and second, obviously, followed by Carmelo Anthony, Paul George and Dirk Nowitzki. If Kevin Love is healthy, I'd have him sixth, followed by Blake Griffin seventh.8 You know who's eighth if you threw out salaries and just based this list on "What am I getting every night on both ends RIGHT NOW if I need a quality forward to play 36 minutes a night for me as my best or second-best player on a playoff team"? That's right, Josh Smith. You'd take him over Serge Ibaka, Anthony Davis and everyone else except mayyyyyyyybe David West.
Who underrated?
Both are PFs. I don't like them as a pair.
I dunno, Smoove covers for Bosh at C on the defensive end exactly how Lebron does and offensively it won't work as well-- because one guy is LeBron and the other Josh Smith-- but it can function in almost exactly the same fashion where Bosh's range gives smoove the chance to operate in the mid to low post. I'm actually pretty pumped about this pairing.
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
Hibbert/Z-Bo. It's Kobe/Millsap over here.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
Yeah, overhyping uniquely talented frontocourts is TWW's job. :P
I was knocking Minnesota.
Last time I throw you a line.
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
Yeah, overhyping uniquely talented frontocourts is TWW's job. :P
I was knocking Minnesota.
Last time I throw you a line.
But you know I can't resist nostalgia laden in- jokes, they're my kryptonite.
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
As fwf said it's Hibbert/zbo. If it was Hibbert/Millsap (not sure where the love for that combo is ???) it's a poor man's Duncan/ west
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Best team no one is talking about... Denver.
Fixed it for you KC.
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Best team no one is talking about... Denver.
Fixed it for you KC.
As far as I can tell, everyone hast talked about your team, Yoks.
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
As fwf said it's Hibbert/zbo. If it was Hibbert/Millsap (not sure where the love for that combo is ???) it's a poor man's Duncan/ west
Check PM's truth
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
A) Nothing in that statement related to my team...
B) The whole point of this Thread/Game is to pump up your own team and prove why it's the best one.
C) Sour grapes, bro
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
What about James Harden?
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C) Sour grapes, bro
Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
It's zbo and hibbert. Thanks and TP.
Bosh and Smith are a nice tandem. Are they primarily your 4 and 5, or 3 and 4?
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Chris Bosh and Josh Smith, baby!
A unique, talented, flawed front court for sure...
Don't make everything about your team.
A) Nothing in that statement related to my team...
B) The whole point of this Thread/Game is to pump up your own team and prove why it's the best one.
C) Sour grapes, bro
Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Real talk.
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C) Sour grapes, bro
Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?
With less than 100 posts...I'd say that the answer is no. Solid vocab though...I need to get the word "ouevre" in my day-to-day more often. Haven't used that since my college research papers.
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Best team no one is talking about... Denver.
Fixed it for you KC.
As far as I can tell, everyone hast talked about your team, Yoks.
It's as exactly what you said, best team no one is talking about.
Talent all around. The other two players are young and still getting better too.
But of course, they are going to overlook the team and focus on the trade.
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C) Sour grapes, bro
Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?
I wanna make some joke of how this is analogus to "You Know My Steez" by Gangstarr, but man I can't "Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?" is my comment of the year. Holy crap. Wow that's profoundly funny.
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
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C) Sour grapes, bro
Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?
I wanna make some joke of how this is analogus to "You Know My Steez" by Gangstarr, but man I can't "Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?" is my comment of the year. Holy crap. Wow that's profoundly funny.
My chance to leave on a high note?
Nick can you find a replacement GM for the Spurs on short notice? We've got slimming black unis and a solid core.
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
Oh, oh can I talk about the defensive difference WW? Can I?!
I promise I won't be too hard on your boy Love...
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
What about James Harden?
Traded.
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Lebron/Ibaka could run length to length twice before Love/Gasol/Dirk could run it once. Welcome to the new NBA! Speed kills!
::Slight exaggeration::
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
As fwf said it's Hibbert/zbo. If it was Hibbert/Millsap (not sure where the love for that combo is ???) it's a poor man's Duncan/ west
Check PM's truth
I checked it, everything seems normal.
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
Oh, oh can I talk about the defensive difference WW? Can I?!
I promise I won't be too hard on your boy Love...
Biting my tongue as hard as humanly possible...
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Best team no one is talking about... Golden State. Hibbert/ Millsap is kind of awesome. I noticed this in my analysis of how all the big bruising physical centers are out west or as I call it " Why Bosh/Smoove will own the east"
As fwf said it's Hibbert/zbo. If it was Hibbert/Millsap (not sure where the love for that combo is ???) it's a poor man's Duncan/ west
Check PM's truth
I checked it, everything seems normal.
Lies! I've sent two PM's
Did you block me? I swear I'm a decent guy...
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With pick 2.22, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Rudy Gay
Argh, I don't know what I'm doing but it feels right, need someone who can defend and score in the wing department...
What about James Harden?
Traded.
::) I know (it was another knock on the trade)
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Best tandem by far....Roy and I sitting back not having to worry about pushing our team or getting a presser ready or battling it out in the playoffs.
(Stealing from my good buddy Bass)<sipping>
BTW, CB really needs to add an emoticon of a smiley face drinking a beer. A little one like this would do:
(http://i10.tinypic.com/675sd9f.jpg)
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
I agree. You did an excellent job with the back-to-back picks and Wall/Noah is a super dynamic duo. I can't wait to see how you build around them.
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C) Sour grapes, bro
Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?
I wanna make some joke of how this is analogus to "You Know My Steez" by Gangstarr, but man I can't "Are you not familiar with my oeuvre?" is my comment of the year. Holy crap. Wow that's profoundly funny.
My chance to leave on a high note?
Nick can you find a replacement GM for the Spurs on short notice? We've got slimming black unis and a solid core.
This is definitely more of your oeuvre, right?
Please let it be more of your oeuvre!!!
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
Oh, oh can I talk about the defensive difference WW? Can I?!
Sure, I'd be interested to see how Nowitzki and Love match up. I certainly don't begrudge Gasol his DPOY, particularly ahead of James, who's overrated as a defender. That doesn't change the fact that you're getting fewer than 15 rebounds out of your touted best front court.
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
I agree. You did an excellent job with the back-to-back picks and Wall/Noah is a super dynamic duo. I can't wait to see how you build around them.
Lacking consistent offense. Maybe wall can improve this year
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My players and picks are available pm me. :) Come strong..
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Not that the Mod Squad needs me to promote the Celtics on Celticsblog, but selecting 13th in the 1st round and 23rd in the 2nd round and ending up with Pau Gasol and Kyrie Irving is darn impressive.
Also, hats off to fwf for making what I think is an awesome pick in Millsap to add to Kobe Bryant. there just are not a lot of guys that would work well with Kobe but I think Millsap would be ideal.
Both teams had some shrew trades moving down and getting high quality in the 2nd.
Has anyone taken a look at the Atlantic division:
Boston
Guards: Kyrie Irving
Forwards:Pau Gasol
Centers:
New York
Guards: Rajon Rondo
Forwards:
Centers: Brook Lopez
Brooklyn
Guards: Russell Westbrook
Forwards: Kahwi Leonard
Centers:
Philadelphia
Guards: Stephen Curry
Forwards:
Centers: Demarcus Cousins
That's a dang tough division right there. Makes me wish the NBA would do a weighted schedule like the NFL and MLB to play more in division games and promote rivalries.
More combos I like:
Wall Noah in Washington
Iggy Love in San Antonio
Lebron Ibaka in Minnesota
West Duncan in Phoenix
Hibbert Randolph in Golden State
Gasol Nowitzki in Lakerland
Conley George in Milwaukee
Durant Williams in Indiana
And though I didn't like the value ron got with his first trade, that trio in Chicago of Holiday, Aldridge and Chandler is really good.
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Nick, no love for Alvin Horfnett?
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
Oh, oh can I talk about the defensive difference WW? Can I?!
Sure, I'd be interested to see how Nowitzki and Love match up. I certainly don't begrudge Gasol his DPOY, particularly ahead of James, who's overrated as a defender. That doesn't change the fact that you're getting fewer than 15 rebounds out of your touted best front court.
Rebounding is one of many facets of the game. I think everyone can agree that defense is more valuable than rebounding though.
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Nick, no love for Alvin Horfnett?
That name alone deserves some love.
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Well, that run on bigs was something I should have seen coming and been better prepared for.
I like Conley and George quite a bit, but now I'm gonna need to get 2 bigs in the next 3 rounds.
Hmm.
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I think there are still alot of good bigs "stat-wise" and was debating going after a PF to put next to Aldridge, but at the end I wanted a defensive C and Chandler was the best one available. (Though he doesn't put up fancy stats.)
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Get ready for Comercial Time
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The real Deal!!!
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I think Central division would be the best division if Detroit hadn't gone for TOTF, but either way they have a frontcourt that has the potential to be out of this world.
Also PM me as I'm in the trading mood!
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Nick, no love for Alvin Horfnett?
I left a bunch of great tandems out. As Roy said, this is wide open this year as the GMs have done a fabulous job thus far.
Garnett and Horford is probably the best defensive front court duo thus far and highly versatile. getting a PG that can facilitate an offense and use those guys properly is tantamount but very doable.
Got to say I am intrigued by the Melo and Deng duo as well. A quality PG and a rim protecting/rebounding presence and that is a very tough core to match up with.
Wade Pierce went to the Finals in last years CB Draft so got to love them.
Davis Drummond has to be the leader for TOTF.
Rose Griffin is an exciting duo that should get to the playoffs and beyond.
And don't sleep on Green Howard as I feel both could have big years this year.
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
Neither is the trio of CP3 / TBA / TBA --- man what a big 3!
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Willing to trade up or down in the third, people!!
(http://www.openbooktoronto.com/sites/default/files/obt/illustrations/I%20have%20no%20idea.jpg)
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
Neither is the trio of CP3 / TBA / TBA --- man what a big 3!
I keep forgetting them. I mean TBA is a fantastic ..... and then you have TBA who provides ....and..... ;D
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Guys, guys, guys! It's okay, Lakers have the best front court anyways so stop fighting...
Er, when he's feeling it, my boy Love out rebounds your two big men together.
Love: 14 rpg, Diggler + Young Gasol: 14.6.
When he's feeling it, your boy Love injures himself doing pushups.
Oh, oh can I talk about the defensive difference WW? Can I?!
Sure, I'd be interested to see how Nowitzki and Love match up. I certainly don't begrudge Gasol his DPOY, particularly ahead of James, who's overrated as a defender. That doesn't change the fact that you're getting fewer than 15 rebounds out of your touted best front court.
Rebounding is one of many facets of the game. I think everyone can agree that defense is more valuable than rebounding though.
You don't want it with Z-BO and Roy H.
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
Neither is the trio of CP3 / TBA / TBA --- man what a big 3!
I keep forgetting them. I mean TBA is a fantastic ..... and then you have TBA who provides ....and..... ;D
There are some stretch 4s out there that would fill those TBAs in pretty nicely. Curious to see how GC plays it.
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Because ish like this is important
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KzP4bC1Ypg
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Willing to trade up or down in the third, people!!
(http://www.openbooktoronto.com/sites/default/files/obt/illustrations/I%20have%20no%20idea.jpg)
this picture is my CB draft in a nutshell
TP
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You know who's not getting talked about? The dynamic duo of John Wall and Joakim Noah.
Neither is the trio of CP3 / TBA / TBA --- man what a big 3!
I keep forgetting them. I mean TBA is a fantastic ..... and then you have TBA who provides ....and..... ;D
There are some stretch 4s out there that would fill those TBAs in pretty nicely. Curious to see how GC plays it.
Don't worry i'll mess it up.
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I'm tired, bored, and wouldn't mind fair trade offers.
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I'm tired, bored, and wouldn't mind fair trade offers.
So you can turn us down? :'(
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I'm tired, bored, and wouldn't mind fair trade offers.
So you can turn us down? :'(
Well the trades you've been doing BigAl have been big time in your favor so a fair trade to me would seem unfair to you. ;D Jk have you sent me any offers?
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anybody wanna PM me so they can tell me if my next selection will be a good or bad idea?
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anybody wanna PM me so they can tell me if my next selection will be a good or bad idea?
I'll help
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Willing to trade up or down in the third, people!!
(http://www.openbooktoronto.com/sites/default/files/obt/illustrations/I%20have%20no%20idea.jpg)
man...
glde retreiver are like 1000 tps in my book
golden in draft are like 10000000
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I can't wait to see how round 3 unfolds. This is where player evaluation starts to get controversial... there plenty of stars- big scorers and fringe all-stars- still available, but we're already seeing them get passed over for players who are known for efficiency, defense, or excelling an a role. I'm really looking forward to seeing where the flawed-star-types get drafted relative to the ulte-elite-role-player types.
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Looking to move up in the draft, PM me with offers. Any offer gets a TP
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Looking to move into the 3rd have 11th In the 4th and two 5th rounders
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AB, Fitz, and Kane check PM's
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Looking to move up. Every offer gets a TP.
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
I actually didn't see that message as I'll usually reply to each trade offer, but now looking at the offer I would have passed.
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
I actually didn't see that message as I'll usually reply to each trade offer, but now looking at the offer I would have passed.
Fair enough...I didn't think I had what you were looking for anyways.
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
You sen't me a trade offer, not sure if you are getting me confused with Ronaldo. I did give the TP that I promised though!
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
You sen't me a trade offer, not sure if you are getting me confused with Ronaldo. I did give the TP that I promised though!
I think he was talking about an offer he sent me for 2.6 yesterday.
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fitz check PMs
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It's kind of crazy what happened yesterday because with 2.23 I was targeting:
Jrue Holiday
Paul Pierce
Loul Deng
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gay
Then I.P. put up his pick (2.13) on the block and I sent him an offer, but it wasn't a great offer (I think he only accepted because he really wanted to move down) as I thought atleast one of these guys would be available. It turns out that all of these guys ended up getting picked before 2.23 and I got extremely lucky. :)
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Going to open this up early as my guess is I am going to see a ton of trades today and I could probably use the extra time to attempt to keep up with things.
So good luck everyone!!!
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Ronaldo-
I'm guessing from the non-reply to my PM that my trade offer wasn't what you were looking for?
You sen't me a trade offer, not sure if you are getting me confused with Ronaldo. I did give the TP that I promised though!
Woops...
Yes, I did get you confused. My fault.
The one I sent today was to Rondo (Tottenham avatar). Apparently, I offered some garbage for the 2.6 yesterday - too.
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Then I.P. put up his pick (2.13) on the block and I sent him an offer, but it wasn't a great offer (I think he only accepted because he really wanted to move down) as I thought atleast one of these guys would be available. It turns out that all of these guys ended up getting picked before 2.23 and I got extremely lucky. :)
The move worked out for both sides then as the two players team mod were debating were both available at 2.23.
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Still looking to move back slightly in the 3rd. 10-20 range.
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Then I.P. put up his pick (2.13) on the block and I sent him an offer, but it wasn't a great offer (I think he only accepted because he really wanted to move down) as I thought atleast one of these guys would be available. It turns out that all of these guys ended up getting picked before 2.23 and I got extremely lucky. :)
The move worked out for both sides then as the two players team mod were debating were both available at 2.23.
Yeah, to be honest I wasn't in love with the value the Mod Squad got for moving back, but it worked out well for all involved.
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Then I.P. put up his pick (2.13) on the block and I sent him an offer, but it wasn't a great offer (I think he only accepted because he really wanted to move down) as I thought atleast one of these guys would be available. It turns out that all of these guys ended up getting picked before 2.23 and I got extremely lucky. :)
The move worked out for both sides then as the two players team mod were debating were both available at 2.23.
Yeah, to be honest I wasn't in love with the value the Mod Squad got for moving back, but it worked out well for all involved.
I wasn't either. My first response was, "Make it more" to rondaldo, but we though Gasol would still be there, and there was no reason to not pickujp a spare 4th in the process.
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Then I.P. put up his pick (2.13) on the block and I sent him an offer, but it wasn't a great offer (I think he only accepted because he really wanted to move down) as I thought atleast one of these guys would be available. It turns out that all of these guys ended up getting picked before 2.23 and I got extremely lucky. :)
The move worked out for both sides then as the two players team mod were debating were both available at 2.23.
Yeah, to be honest I wasn't in love with the value the Mod Squad got for moving back, but it worked out well for all involved.
I wasn't either. My first response was, "Make it more" to rondaldo, but we though Gasol would still be there, and there was no reason to not pickujp a spare 4th in the process.
Yeah I think if you had much more time you would've gotten a better offer (that probably has to do with you being I.P though), but since I saw you really didn't have that much time and I wasn't really looking to move down I didn't see the point in increasing my offer.
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It kind of sucks knowing that last year I did 7 trades (that is because I joined in the 6th round) and this year I've only done 2. SMH. >:(
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I'd be willing to trade back from my 4.1 spot or my 5.10 spot to pick up more 4th or 5th rounders...
Anyone that has multiple picks in rounds 4/5/6, send offers...
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I have 5.6 and 5.23 Mchale's Pits...
Just finished rearranging my 6-man draft board for pick 3.6 for the 1,399th time and I think I'm finally OK with it. I wish I had the guts to swap #6 for #7 on my board but cest la vie... that's "whatever" in french.
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I have 5.6 and 5.23 Mchale's Pits...
Just finished rearranging my 6-man draft board for pick 3.6 for the 1,399th time and I think I'm finally OK with it. I wish I had the guts to swap #6 for #7 on my board but cest la vie... that's "whatever" in french.
Bon chance mon frere
Not sure how our picks could line up in a trade. 4.1 is too much to give up for those two in my mind.
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David West and 3.9 available together. Will listen to all offers
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REMINDER
Remember guys, auto select is off from now on and if you miss your pick, the next person can now pick once your time has expired and pass you by. if you miss your pick, you can select at any time.
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I have 5.6 and 5.23 Mchale's Pits...
Just finished rearranging my 6-man draft board for pick 3.6 for the 1,399th time and I think I'm finally OK with it. I wish I had the guts to swap #6 for #7 on my board but cest la vie... that's "whatever" in french.
Bon chance mon frere
Not sure how our picks could line up in a trade. 4.1 is too much to give up for those two in my mind.
It's an interesting take, and it's good to get a fresh perspective.
My thought process has always been, at least for the later rounds, trade value for a "n"th rounder is n+1 and n+2. In essence, then, a 4th rounder is worth, in general, a similarly situated 5th and 6th. So, fair value for 4.1 is 5.1 + 6.1.
If GC was offering both his 5ths for your early 4th, I'd be inclined to at least mull it over. I might pass, because you need high end players, but my guess is that you'd be pretty happy with who was there in the 5th, as well.
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IIRC, in the last few drafts the reaches most often occurred in the 3rd round and the real value pickups tended to be in the 4th and 5th rounds.
Although, that doesn't mean it happens every year.
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I have 5.6 and 5.23 Mchale's Pits...
Just finished rearranging my 6-man draft board for pick 3.6 for the 1,399th time and I think I'm finally OK with it. I wish I had the guts to swap #6 for #7 on my board but cest la vie... that's "whatever" in french.
Bon chance mon frere
Not sure how our picks could line up in a trade. 4.1 is too much to give up for those two in my mind.
It's an interesting take, and it's good to get a fresh perspective.
My thought process has always been, at least for the later rounds, trade value for a "n"th rounder is n+1 and n+2. In essence, then, a 4th rounder is worth, in general, a similarly situated 5th and 6th. So, fair value for 4.1 is 5.1 + 6.1.
If GC was offering both his 5ths for your early 4th, I'd be inclined to at least mull it over. I might pass, because you need high end players, but my guess is that you'd be pretty happy with who was there in the 5th, as well.
My thoughts exactly...with only one pick in the 3rd/4th round I am going to miss out on a lot of good players. 4.1 is valuable because it is directly in the middle of the two rounds and I will have the night to review the remaining players to pick the right one or trade down to acquire multiple contributors from the later 4th, 5th, or 6th rounds.
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Due to unforeseen circumstances, the Lakers are back looking for a 3rd rounder. PM me or BleedGreen1989. Thanks!
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REMINDER
Remember guys, auto select is off from now on and if you miss your pick, the next person can now pick once your time has expired and pass you by. if you miss your pick, you can select at any time.
woo! an hour and 25 mins and i can skip REBUS!! woo!
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I have 5.6 and 5.23 Mchale's Pits...
Just finished rearranging my 6-man draft board for pick 3.6 for the 1,399th time and I think I'm finally OK with it. I wish I had the guts to swap #6 for #7 on my board but cest la vie... that's "whatever" in french.
Bon chance mon frere
Not sure how our picks could line up in a trade. 4.1 is too much to give up for those two in my mind.
It's an interesting take, and it's good to get a fresh perspective.
My thought process has always been, at least for the later rounds, trade value for a "n"th rounder is n+1 and n+2. In essence, then, a 4th rounder is worth, in general, a similarly situated 5th and 6th. So, fair value for 4.1 is 5.1 + 6.1.
If GC was offering both his 5ths for your early 4th, I'd be inclined to at least mull it over. I might pass, because you need high end players, but my guess is that you'd be pretty happy with who was there in the 5th, as well.
I wasn't really... just tacked it onto my self depricating post since MP had just posted it...
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Some have mentioned trading into the third. 3.24 is available for those wanting to get their guy today.
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Due to unforeseen circumstances, the Lakers are back looking for a 3rd rounder. PM me or BleedGreen1989. Thanks!
Also, early 4th rounders will suffice as well. Send in the offers, we'll listen to all!
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Kicking off the morning's festivities, its the airing of grievences, I got a lot of issues with you people and you're going to hear about them.
Pick up soon.
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Again taking any and all offers would like to get back into the 3rd
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With the 3.1, the Washington Wizards select:
Klay Thompson.
(http://thumbs.boa.ulximg.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/article/images/klay_thompson_game_2.jpg?itok=Zmfhl2XL)
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Dayum. Huge Thompson fan here and I was hoping the Lakers could pick him up later on in the draft. 3.1 seems a bit premature considering other wings still on the board, but it's not out of the park at all considering his development thus far.
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With the 3.1, the Washington Wizards select:
Klay Thompson.
I thought I would be able to get him with 4.3. :(
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Dayum. Huge Thompson fan here and I was hoping the Lakers could pick him up later on in the draft. 3.1 seems a bit premature considering other wings still on the board, but it's not out of the park at all considering his development thus far.
I thought he was BPA excluding a few bigs.
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Thompson is young and talented which fits my team. Liked him better than a lot of the bigs left.
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Klay Thompson is a great fit for the Wizards.
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Dayum. Huge Thompson fan here and I was hoping the Lakers could pick him up later on in the draft. 3.1 seems a bit premature considering other wings still on the board, but it's not out of the park at all considering his development thus far.
I thought he was BPA excluding a few bigs.
Disagree
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Thompson is young and talented which fits my team. Liked him better than a lot of the bigs left.
Wall, Klay, and Noah is a lethal trio to have around. Great job drafting so far.
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Dayum. Huge Thompson fan here and I was hoping the Lakers could pick him up later on in the draft. 3.1 seems a bit premature considering other wings still on the board, but it's not out of the park at all considering his development thus far.
I thought he was BPA excluding a few bigs.
I don't see it, he's a great 3 point shooter but he doesn't bring enough to the table in other areas.
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Some have mentioned trading into the third. 3.24 is available for those wanting to get their guy today.
So is 3.23 8) ;D
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Aw crap. With my pick off the table in Thomson I have to go back to the drawing board for a few minutes folks. Pick up soon.
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Klay Thompson is a great fit for the Wizards.
Dangerous three-pointer and very underrated defender, but there's definitely other names still left with more overall value.
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
Gilbert Arenas? Just say yes.
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
Gilbert Arenas? Just say yes.
No love for Javaris?
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Aw crap. With my pick off the table in Thomson I have to go back to the drawing board for a few minutes folks. Pick up soon.
TP for you. Thanks for the backup.
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
Gilbert Arenas? Just say yes.
No love for Javaris?
Torn between the two
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
I know who you are taking and it's a great pick, I wass hoping he'd fall to 4.3 also.
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Aw crap. With my pick off the table in Thomson I have to go back to the drawing board for a few minutes folks. Pick up soon.
What's your team PJ?
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Aw crap. With my pick off the table in Thomson I have to go back to the drawing board for a few minutes folks. Pick up soon.
What's your team PJ?
Knicks so I'm on the clock. Also taking trade offers for the pick.
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Klay Thompson is a great fit for the Wizards.
Dangerous three-pointer and very underrated defender, but there's definitely other names still left with more overall value.
Yeah, people pigeonhole Klay as just a gunner but he's solid defensively and is a decent passer. Still mostly a specialist at this point, though, but the Wizards need one with Wall still not much of a threat from deep.
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kinda scared to make my next pick.........
Gilbert Arenas? Just say yes.
No love for Javaris?
Celticsblog Draft rule old as time itself:
No Names
:) ;D :o :-* ;D
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Aw crap. With my pick off the table in Thomson I have to go back to the drawing board for a few minutes folks. Pick up soon.
What's your team PJ?
Knicks so I'm on the clock. Also taking trade offers for the pick.
Better hurry PJ you're eligible to be skipped... 57 seconds ago.
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Oops, sorry! I've done a pretty good job not leaking any undrafted players' names so far, but I figured with the two aforementioned who no one will be drafting, it was fine to let their names fly.
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11:10 2-52 New York Knicks pearljammer10
11:20 3-53 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture
11:30 4-54 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe
11:40 5-55 Golden State Warriors Kane3387
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BigAl's being nice.
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Oops, sorry! I've done a pretty good job not leaking any undrafted players' names so far, but I figured with the two aforementioned who no one will be drafting, it was fine to let their names fly.
I was just bustin' chops / killing time / being sarcastic... ;D
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BigAl's being nice.
Yup... i think the only reason he hasn't pounced is he's (rightly) wavering on the guy he wants to pick.
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Oops, sorry! I've done a pretty good job not leaking any undrafted players' names so far, but I figured with the two aforementioned who no one will be drafting, it was fine to let their names fly.
I was actually thinking of drafting Javaris in the 12th now someone will end up getting him in the 11th. My entire plan is ruined. :'(
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Yeah, backing out from my original pick cuz I'mma wimp. And cuz he might just be available when I pick again.
Houston Rockets take Nic Batum
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Klay Thompson is a great fit for the Wizards.
Dangerous three-pointer and very underrated defender, but there's definitely other names still left with more overall value.
Yes, an underrated defender - Thompson held shooting guards to a 13.5 PER and small forwards to a 14.1 PER, both below league average rates. He also forced opponents into 35.5% shooting, 34% on isolations and 35.3% on pick-and-rolls.
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Yeah, backing out from my original pick cuz I'mma wimp. And cuz he might just be available when I pick again.
Houston Rockets take Nic Batum
Steal of the draft.
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Yeah, backing out from my original pick cuz I'mma wimp. And cuz he might just be available when I pick again.
Houston Rockets take Nic Batum
Hate you.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
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pearljammer check PMs
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Why did my pick get skipped?
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
I thought BigAl was taking Chandler. Nice pick.
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I have no PMs...As far as I know Im on the clock til 11:20 no?
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
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I have no PMs...As far as I know Im on the clock til 11:20 no?
The time listed is the time your pick window ends, not when it starts.
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Why did my pick get skipped?
Because it's not 7 mins overdue...
Starting in the 3rd round you simply become "PICK ANYTIME" if you miss making your pick by the posted time.
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Yeah, backing out from my original pick cuz I'mma wimp. And cuz he might just be available when I pick again.
Houston Rockets take Nic Batum
Hate you.
If it makes you feel better he would have been gone with the next pick.
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Yeah, backing out from my original pick cuz I'mma wimp. And cuz he might just be available when I pick again.
Houston Rockets take Nic Batum
Hate you.
If it makes you feel better he would have been gone with the next pick.
Yeah....
it doesn't.
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I have no PMs...As far as I know Im on the clock til 11:20 no?
You've got PMs.
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I have no PMs...As far as I know Im on the clock til 11:20 no?
The time listed is the time your pick window ends, not when it starts.
Ok my bad.
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:)
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pj I'd make that pick ASAP buddy.
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid iswith a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
NO NAMES!
Edit your post.
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid iswith a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
NO NAMES!
Edit your post.
Ak47 is a weapon.
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NO NAMES!
Edit your post.
Don't I look like a fool after just saying I was doing pretty well with not leaking names?
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I like the no-names rule (though I don't mind throwing out ridiculous ones like Tiny Gallon), but it was broken several times yesterday without anyone saying anything, so it's no surprise people are going with it.
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Knicks pick Larry Sanders.
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Golden State selects David Lee with 3.5.
Had to go BPA. Was an All Star last year and led the league in double doubles.
Looks like a super sub lol.
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Kane, then GC.
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Knicks pick Larry Sanders.
Playing him at the 4? Could complement Lopez pretty well.
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Knicks pick Larry Sanders.
About time.
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Hmm Larry Sanders and David Lee? Puzzling fits for teams
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Golden State selects David Lee with 3.5.
Had to go BPA. Was an All Star last year and led the league in double doubles.
Looks like a super sub lol.
Or trade bait.
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Golden State selects David Lee with 3.5.
Had to go BPA. Was an All Star last year and led the league in double doubles.
Looks like a super sub lol.
Or trade bait.
Anyone can be had for the right price lol.
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Spurs are taking offers on 3.11.
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I think having a defensive/rebounding presence next to Lopez is a pretty intriguing fit. Also, Sanders did play some PF last year so its not completely foreign to him.
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Golden State selects David Lee with 3.5.
Had to go BPA. Was an All Star last year and led the league in double doubles.
Looks like a super sub lol.
Or trade bait.
Anyone can be had for the right price lol.
"You've gotta learn at a pretty early stage that this fake league really is a fake business. The fake fans are great in Oakland, and I'm not saying I'm glad I didn't get to fake play for them, but I'm want to fake play for a team who really fake wants me. It is what it is." - David Lee
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
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I think having a defensive/rebounding presence next to Lopez is a pretty intriguing fit. Also, Sanders did play some PF last year so its not completely foreign to him.
Yeah, it could work. Sanders fills in where Lopez can't and doesn't have to worry about scoring in the frontcourt. It's a bit janky, but there's possibilities. I think Sanders's scoring goes way down with Lopez in the middle, though.
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Grizzzzzzz select
General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
(http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Pekovic.jpg)
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Definitely the right pick, GC.
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Knicks pick Larry Sanders.
Playing him at the 4? Could complement Lopez pretty well.
Yes sir. Sanders at the 4 to compiment the front court defense and cover Lopez's weaker rebounding.
Sanders 2.8 blocks per game. Lopez 2.1 blocks per game. No ones taking it to the rim on the Knicks this year.
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Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
(http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Pekovic.jpg)
Nice.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
I saw it and I thought, "Way too soon."
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Golden State selects David Lee with 3.5.
Had to go BPA. Was an All Star last year and led the league in double doubles.
Looks like a super sub lol.
Or trade bait.
Anyone can be had for the right price lol.
"You've gotta learn at a pretty early stage that this fake league really is a fake business. The fake fans are great in Oakland, and I'm not saying I'm glad I didn't get to fake play for them, but I'm want to fake play for a team who really fake wants me. It is what it is." - David Lee
I guess lee stays in GS huh?
My comment applies to every player on my roster. Neither Roy H. or Zbo is untouchable. No ones on the block but all can be had.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.5 assts, 1steal and 38.5 percent from three, there wasn't a better sf on the board.
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Have 3.22. Looking to move up a bit. PM me
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Lamarcus Aldridge and Tyson Chandler are on the trading block.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.5 assts, 1steal and 38.5 percent from three, there wasn't a better sf on the board.
Agree with KC. Parsons is a 3rd round talent no doubt
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Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
(http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Pekovic.jpg)
I hate you. You were the only guy in front of me that needed a C, too.
...back to the drawing board.
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Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
I hate you. You were the only guy in front of me that needed a C, too.
...back to the drawing board.
What are you guys drawing?!
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I think having a defensive/rebounding presence next to Lopez is a pretty intriguing fit. Also, Sanders did play some PF last year so its not completely foreign to him.
Yeah, it could work. Sanders fills in where Lopez can't and doesn't have to worry about scoring in the frontcourt. It's a bit janky, but there's possibilities. I think Sanders's scoring goes way down with Lopez in the middle, though.
Lol down from 9 ppg? All he does is catch oops and do put backs. I think he will be fine. Defensively he's outstanding but the floor will not be spread so shooters must be had.
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Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
I hate you. You were the only guy in front of me that needed a C, too.
...back to the drawing board.
What are you guys drawing?!
A mediocre fake team.
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I think having a defensive/rebounding presence next to Lopez is a pretty intriguing fit. Also, Sanders did play some PF last year so its not completely foreign to him.
Yeah, it could work. Sanders fills in where Lopez can't and doesn't have to worry about scoring in the frontcourt. It's a bit janky, but there's possibilities. I think Sanders's scoring goes way down with Lopez in the middle, though.
Lol down from 9 ppg? All he does is catch oops and do put backs. I think he will be fine. Defensively he's outstanding but the floor will not be spread so shooters must be had.
Shooters coming up next since Klay Thompson was stolen right out from under my grasp the pick before me.
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Ty Lawson
Best PG left, an excellent scorer (led the 3rd seed Nuggets) to pair with our twin towers, and he's shown he can show up big in the playoffs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkO9iMahAvc
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Definitely the right pick, GC.
I hope that's not just b/c it allowed your guy to fall.
Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
(http://www.awolfamongwolves.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Pekovic.jpg)
I hate you. You were the only guy in front of me that needed a C, too.
...back to the drawing board.
Cheer up emo kid... I still love *you* :-*
;D
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Have 3.22. Looking to move up a bit. PM me
This guy needs to be put on a no-trade list already to make it fair for everyone else. Filthy trade for Harden + drafting Batum? (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/TR_worship.gif)
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Definitely the right pick, GC.
I hope that's not just b/c it allowed your guy to fall.
Unless you wanted Lawson and CP3, that's not why ;)
Take the compliment.
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Grizzzzzzz select General Zod Nikola Pekovic, C
I hate you. You were the only guy in front of me that needed a C, too.
...back to the drawing board.
Cheer up emo kid... I still love *you* :-*
;D
I may or may not have been putting together a post where I did the Shaft theme song but with "Pek!" as the chorus.
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Ty Lawson
Best PG left, an excellent scorer (led the 3rd seed Nuggets) to pair with our twin towers, and he's shown he can show up big in the playoffs.
I was thinking if AB gets Lawson we have pretty identical teams.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.5 assts, 1steal and 38.5 percent from three, there wasn't a better sf on the board.
Agree with KC. Parsons is a 3rd round talent no doubt
If this were fantasy basketball I'd agree. But he's helped by the Rockets' pace. If he's your fourth or fifth starter, you're in great shape, but he's not even the third best player on his own team.
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Heat select Chandler Parsons.
IP must be hyped. But, this is too soon, and I say that liking Parsons a lot.
15.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.5 assts, 1steal and 38.5 percent from three, there wasn't a better sf on the board.
Agree with KC. Parsons is a 3rd round talent no doubt
If this were fantasy basketball I'd agree. But he's helped by the Rockets pace. If he's your fourth or fifth starter, you're in great shape, but he's not even the third best player on his own team.
Well and also don't forget a large part of his value is that he costs them pennies relative to how much a player would traditionally be paid for the same production. Everyone loves that. But in this context, its not really important.
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
They loss their last 13 games in an attempt to tank. (At least I'd assume because losing 13 games in a row when you are 33-36 doesn't make sense)
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
No bench whatsoever. Portland was rolling as a >.500 team for the first half of the season. Once the minutes caught up to the starters and they started breaking down, they imploded. With this offseason's acquisitions, Portland will easily make the Western playoffs.
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I like the Lawson pick by AB and the Pekovic pick by WW. Nice fits for both teams.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
Shoutout to my co-GM who called this pick. Personally, I love Beal and his future prospects, but 3rd round is way too premature.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
I hate that pick. Hate it.
WOuld've loved to get him later.
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Most of the thirds were not on my list :-\ and their is still so much talent left.
I'm gonna gamble mire on the pick than the player. I'm taking a shooting guard who isn't on the way down or just a gunner.
I present to you the future of the Phoenix Suns:
Jimmy Butler
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Most of the thirds were not on my list :-\ and their is still so much talent left.
I'm gonna gamble mire on the pick than the player. I'm taking a shooting guard who isn't on the way down or just a gunner.
I present to you the future of the Phoenix Suns:
Jimmy Butler
Another nice grab, not elite yet and a little bit of an unknown still but nice grab.
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Youth seems to be ruling the roost in this draft.
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Most of the thirds were not on my list :-\ and their is still so much talent left.
I'm gonna gamble mire on the pick than the player. I'm taking a shooting guard who isn't on the way down or just a gunner.
I present to you the future of the Phoenix Suns:
Jimmy Butler
Wow, shoutout to my co-GM once again for predicting Butler to go in this round. Like Beal, this is just way too early IMO. Great fit next to West/Duncan though.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
Shoutout to my co-GM who called this pick. Personally, I love Beal and his future prospects, but 3rd round is way too premature.
If Klay can go 3.1 then no doubt Beal is a 3rd rounder
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I wish I had a Co-GM I could give a shoutout too. :(
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The last few picks devastated my list, but oh well.
Orlando Kobes will select Omer Asik, for rebounding and D.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
Shoutout to my co-GM who called this pick. Personally, I love Beal and his future prospects, but 3rd round is way too premature.
If Klay can go 3.1 then no doubt Beal is a 3rd rounder
Not only is Klay a more prolific shooter, but his defense is far superior. Furthermore, Beal spent the majority of his second half of his rookie year as well as this offseason rehabbing from injury. That's a huge obstacle towards his development. Drafting Beal in the 3rd seems more based off potential than actual value.
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Spurs still willing to take offers on 3.11. Pick isn't due until 12:40.
The last few picks devastated my list, but oh well.
Orlando Kobes will select Omer Asik
I was looking hard at Omer. But the fantasy GM in me is bothered that he's being sent back to the bench.
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The last few picks devastated my list, but oh well.
Orlando Kobes will select Omer Asik
Nice. Shout out.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
Shoutout to my co-GM who called this pick. Personally, I love Beal and his future prospects, but 3rd round is way too premature.
If Klay can go 3.1 then no doubt Beal is a 3rd rounder
Not only is Klay a more prolific shooter, but his defense is far superior. Furthermore, Beal spent the majority of his second half of his rookie year as well as this offseason rehabbing from injury. That's a huge obstacle towards his development. Drafting Beal in the 3rd seems more based off potential than actual value.
Actually, just realized Detroit picked him. They're going for team of the future so Beal doesn't seem like too bad of a pick anymore.
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Detroit selects Bradley Beal
Shoutout to my co-GM who called this pick. Personally, I love Beal and his future prospects, but 3rd round is way too premature.
If Klay can go 3.1 then no doubt Beal is a 3rd rounder
Not only is Klay a more prolific shooter, but his defense is far superior. Furthermore, Beal spent the majority of his second half of his rookie year as well as this offseason rehabbing from injury. That's a huge obstacle towards his development. Drafting Beal in the 3rd seems more based off potential than actual value.
Not sure of the advanced stats but just by watching the two play, their defense seems at least very close.
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I like the Lawson pick by AB and the Pekovic pick by WW. Nice fits for both teams.
WW?!?
All the times I've defended you Rebus?
"He's like a rich mans Lucky" or "At least he can read, unlike Champkind" I'd say -- only to have you mistake me for walker wiggle?!? I mean not even THE walker wiggle, just ww. I'm crushed.
Oh well I still think you have a better healthcare system.
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Not sure of the advanced stats but just by watching the two play, their defense seems at least very close.
Synergy ranks: Beal (226), Thompson (72)
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
Worst bench in the league last year. Would've been .500 with a capable bench.
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As much as I hate Kobe in every way a person can hate an NBA player, gotta admit that that is a very intelligently put together team in Orlando. fwf is surrounding kobe with players that would seemingly work fabulously with Kobe.
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
Worst bench in the league last year. Would've been .500 with a capable bench.
So it's all Joel Freeland's fault, huh? Jerks.
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Lakers looking to move up from 5.14. PM offers!
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Taking offers to move back from 3.13. Send them if you've got a guy you want.
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I like the Lawson pick by AB and the Pekovic pick by WW. Nice fits for both teams.
WW?!?
I cast a long shadow.
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Taking offers to move back from 3.13. Send them if you've got a guy you want.
Don't cut in line. I'm on the clock and taking offers on the 3.11 - waiting on a couple of counters.
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Seems to be youth flying off the shelves pretty fast this round.
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I like the Lawson pick by AB and the Pekovic pick by WW. Nice fits for both teams.
WW?!?
All the times I've defended you Rebus?
"He's like a rich mans Lucky" or "At least he can read, unlike Champkind" I'd say -- only to have you mistake me for THE walker wiggle?!?
Oh well I still think you have a better healthcare system.
Many apologies, GC. Excellent pick.
Oh and your team with Lebron was robbed.
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As much as I hate Kobe in every way a person can hate an NBA player, gotta admit that that is a very intelligently put together team in Orlando. fwf is surrounding kobe with players that would seemingly work fabulously with Kobe.
And by that you mean players that don't need the ball so he can take all the shots? Their touches will come from crashing the offensive glass to scoop up Kobe's misses...
Millsap and Asik are an interesting fit...I wish Millsap had a better mid-range jumper to really make this front court work
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I like the Lawson pick by AB and the Pekovic pick by WW. Nice fits for both teams.
WW?!?
All the times I've defended you Rebus?
"He's like a rich mans Lucky" or "At least he can read, unlike Champkind" I'd say -- only to have you mistake me for THE walker wiggle?!?
Oh well I still think you have a better healthcare system.
Many apologies, GC. Excellent pick.
Oh and your team with Lebron was robbed.
Ah, my mistake. It's now clear that someone (perhaps THE wiggle himself?) hacked into CB and was posting as Rebus.
The real Rankin -- erudite, smart, molson -- is back at his keyboard.
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So the first time I make a trading block thread people ignore it. SMH. :P
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
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So the first time I make a trading block thread people ignore it. SMH. :P
Just think it's a little soon.
Most teams only have 2 players so far...
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Seriously though, Batum was the biggest reason I was trying to get into the 3rd. This guy is the most underrated player in the league, and he's easily a top 5 SF in my eyes. I mean, the kid is [REDACTED] with a smoother offensive game. He's already recorded the first 5x5 since [REDACTED]. And he's just 24?! There are guys in the 2nd I would take Batum over.
Worthy third round pick, but we've now seen GMs singing the praises of Aldridge, Lillard AND Batum. So why were the Trailblazers a lottery team?
Worst bench in the league last year. Would've been .500 with a capable bench.
So it's all Joel Freeland's fault, huh? Jerks.
To do better than .500, their starters would've had to do more:
(1) Their non-Aldridge starting big man (unnamed since yet to be selected) was one of the weaker starting bigs in the league. This was the biggest area for improvement.
(2) Their two backcourt players were both middle of the pack starters. Lillard should take a nice step forward next season as he betters his defense (poor) and continues to improve his floor general skills (work in progress). The other unnamed (unselected guy) guard is what he is (stagnant).
(3) Batum a bit above par (amongst starting SFs).
(4) Aldridge only high level starter
But their starters had enough to be .500 with a good bench ... instead they were anchored by having one of the worst reserve units in the league. So I blame the bench. I'd estimate their bench cost them 7-10 wins.
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Not sure of the advanced stats but just by watching the two play, their defense seems at least very close.
Synergy ranks: Beal (226), Thompson (72)
Yikes
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So the first time I make a trading block thread people ignore it. SMH. :P
Thanks for the effort ron. TP. I was going to do one after the first week was done. Also, don't be discouraged. Its only been open an hour.
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
Says the guy who has put both his top 2 picks on the trading block.
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
Dudes always starting something. There is no disrespect here. We are sending out feelers. Just like Danny Ainge says nobody is untradeable
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(3) Batum a bit above par (amongst starting SFs).
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
Says the guy who has put both his top 2 picks on the trading block.
LOL Thank YOU
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
Says the guy who has put both his top 2 picks on the trading block.
What I meant was that he didn't post this in the official trading block. Thanks for the cheap shot though. ;D
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Dudes always starting something. There is no disrespect here. We are sending out feelers. Just like Danny Ainge says nobody is untradeable
What I meant was that he didn't post this in the official trading block. Thanks for the cheap shot though. ;D
Let's nip this in the bud before it goes any farther. I don't want to see comments like these. ron's comment was rather innocuous.
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Blake is available for a big man and a 3rd round pick. send me an offer.
Wow the ultimate disrespect.
Dudes always starting something. There is no disrespect here. We are sending out feelers. Just like Danny Ainge says nobody is untradeable
Let's nip this on the bud before it goes any farther. I don't want to see comments like this. ron's comment was rather innocuous.
It's fine by ultimate disrespect I was talking about him not posting it in the trading block (and of course I was kidding) and had nothing to do with Griffin.
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My apologies sorry everyone.
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Still looking to potentially move back. PM offers on 3.13 if your guy is just hangin' out waiting to be plucked. We've got needs at potentially 4 positions with this next pick so seriously, we'll probably take your dude.
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Dudes always starting something. There is no disrespect here. We are sending out feelers. Just like Danny Ainge says nobody is untradeable
What I meant was that he didn't post this in the official trading block. Thanks for the cheap shot though. ;D
Let's nip this on the bud before it goes any farther. I don't want to see comments like these. ron's comment was rather innocuous.
Cheap shots are only for girls.
I'll go to a bar and get a shot/drink and get charged $9.
I'll then see a pretty girl walk up, order the exact same thing, and pay $3.50
Blasphemy.
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Dudes always starting something. There is no disrespect here. We are sending out feelers. Just like Danny Ainge says nobody is untradeable
What I meant was that he didn't post this in the official trading block. Thanks for the cheap shot though. ;D
Let's nip this on the bud before it goes any farther. I don't want to see comments like these. ron's comment was rather innocuous.
Cheap shots are only for girls.
I'll go to a bar and get a shot/drink and get charged $9.
I'll then see a pretty girl walk up, order the exact same thing, and pay $3.50
Blasphemy.
Lol you've earned yourself a TP. ;D
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
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With the 12th pick in the 3rd round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
RYAN ANDERSON
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Still looking to potentially move back. PM offers on 3.13 if your guy is just hangin' out waiting to be plucked. We've got needs at potentially 4 positions with this next pick so seriously, we'll probably take your dude.
I hope you have better luck than I did.
In other news, Nic Batum and Jimmy Butler can back up.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
Former first who fell from grace,
3 point shot all over the place,
Then Paul got some shine,
And the Pacers did fine,
While Danny fell flat on his face.
I could've done better.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
???
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
Contract year! Was I going to pick Ryan Anderson?
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
I don't think it's a bad pick as the guy will be playing next year, but I do think it's a bit early was hoping he would fall later since he only played 5 games.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
Thought he'd be there in the 4th. Could be a steal. His knee deterioration hasn't been talked about enough. They still don't know if he'll be ready for camp and he missed almost all last year. Rumors are out there his career could be done. At 32 he's on the downside but he's still talented. Indiana might win a title if he was healthy last year.
Hopefully he comes back. For the record he was under consideration for 3.24.
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Like yesterday if Boston wants to take until 1:30, I have no problem with that.
Lunch break.
See you in 30.
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The package I want for L.A.:
Player already drafted
3rd/4th
4th/5th
for
Lamarcus Aldridge
2 late picks.
Not in a hurry to move him, but don't mind listening to offers.
Also how do I make myself hidden? ;D
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
Thought he'd be there in the 4th. Could be a steal. His knee deterioration hasn't been talked about enough. They still don't know if he'll be ready for camp and he missed almost all last year. Rumors are out there his career could be done. At 32 he's on the downside but he's still talented. Indiana might win a title if he was healthy last year.
Hopefully he comes back. For the record he was under consideration for 3.24.
Link to those "rumors," son?
I can't speak to his long term health. I'm just looking at Danny this year. If it wasn't clear by my nursing the clock, I would've been far more comfortable with putting the pick off. That said, I love his versatility, shooting. Defensively the Spurs wings should be very difficult to deal with.
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The package I want for L.A.:
Player already drafted
3rd/4th
4th/5th
for
Lamarcus Aldridge
2 late picks.
Not in a hurry to move him, but don't mind listening to offers.
Also how do I make myself hidden? ;D
Why not just say: Package I want for LaMarcus, a gross overpayment.
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The package I want for L.A.:
Player already drafted
3rd/4th
4th/5th
for
Lamarcus Aldridge
2 late picks.
Not in a hurry to move him, but don't mind listening to offers.
Also how do I make myself hidden? ;D
Why not just say: Package I want for LaMarcus, a gross overpayment.
You think you know a guy. ::) ;D He is a franchise talent. Be jelly.
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As much as I hate Kobe in every way a person can hate an NBA player, gotta admit that that is a very intelligently put together team in Orlando. fwf is surrounding kobe with players that would seemingly work fabulously with Kobe.
This is a very good way to get a TP, Nick. I was hoping for Pekovic because he can score a little more but I think Asik is a great fit too.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
Thought he'd be there in the 4th. Could be a steal. His knee deterioration hasn't been talked about enough. They still don't know if he'll be ready for camp and he missed almost all last year. Rumors are out there his career could be done. At 32 he's on the downside but he's still talented. Indiana might win a title if he was healthy last year.
Hopefully he comes back. For the record he was under consideration for 3.24.
Link to those "rumors," son?
I can't speak to his long term health. I'm just looking at Danny this year. If it wasn't clear by my nursing the clock, I would've been far more comfortable with putting the pick off. That said, I love his versatility, shooting. Defensively the Spurs wings should be very difficult to deal with.
Also he's 30 years old. April 20, 1983. Games within games, Kane.
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I like it --- good quality guys who I think fit together.
The biggest problem I think is a lack of scoring punch. All 3 *can* score, but none are really dominant.
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Like yesterday if Boston wants to take until 1:30, I have no problem with that.
Lunch break.
See you in 30.
But don't expect Mods for KC to be so patient at 1:30:01 8)
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I like it --- good quality guys who I think fit together.
The biggest problem I think is a lack of scoring punch. All 3 *can* score, but none are really dominant.
Yeah, we get that. Tough to get a dominant scorer when your first pick is 19th, though.
We're going for an IRL Grizzlies mold. Conley ~ Lawson, Horford ~ ZBo, Garnett ~ Gasol. If it wins them games then it can win us games too.
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Guys we now know who AB is going for with the 4.17 pick. ;D JK
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Are we on break?
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Guys we now know who AB is going for with the 4.17 pick. ;D JK
Key word is mold ron :P
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Yeah, we get that. Tough to get a dominant scorer when your first pick is 19th, though.
Dirk Nowitzki, pick #22.
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There is a mod debate at the moment.
Anyone interested in a move up, PM your favorite mod. (or IP)
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After way too long of a sabbatical, I'm back boys, I know you all missed me and are getting tired of listening to AB after all this time.
I'm here to PM offers for our team or if you'd just like to chat.
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Yeah, we get that. Tough to get a dominant scorer when your first pick is 19th, though.
Dirk Nowitzki, pick #22.
Well, so Dirk would have to be the guy we built our team around, and that's not going so well in Dallas right now.
Or, we could have traded, but then, like you guys, we wouldn't have a third rounder.
Tough, not impossible. We're happy where we're at though.
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Finally, air.
I promised all these guys that you were running the show. I just look like a draft addict.
Update your signature, ya bum. I'm taking a break.
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After way too long of a sabbatical, I'm back boys, I know you all missed me and are getting tired of listening to AB after all this time.
I'm here to PM offers for our team or if you'd just like to chat.
Welcome back air!!! TP!!
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5 minutes until I snipe the mods guy.
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5 minutes until I snipe the mods guy.
Woot! Woot!
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The team with a plan selects the big man just given the keys to his teamEnes Kanter
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Heat select Gordon Hayward.
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The team with a plan selects the big man just given the keys to his teamEnes Kanter
Going for TOTF?
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I really liked the Lawson pick(he was the best PG available) and the fit is very good. A balanced scoring attack is an extremely good thing. Even if some may say you need to have a dominant scorer, I don't necessarily buy that philosophy. You just need to have a scorer that can be dominant when the time comes when you need a score in the most important of games. I think all three of your guys fit that mold.
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The team with a plan selects the big man just given the keys to his teamEnes Kanter
Going for TOTF?
Nope.
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Chris Bosh/Josh Smith/Chandler Parsons/Gordon Hayward
Me Gusta.
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The team with a plan selects the big man just given the keys to his teamEnes Kanter
Going for TOTF?
Nope.
Trade?
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The team with a plan selects the big man just given the keys to his teamEnes Kanter
Going for TOTF?
Nope.
Trade?
Or maybe he just likes Kanter
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Kanter and Hayward are two names I was not expecting this round but so were Butler, Beal and Granger. I had all 5 as 4th rounders.
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Lots of good names available. Let me know if you want to trade up to 3(18).
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With the 15th pick in the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
KENNETH FARIED
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I really liked the Lawson pick(he was the best PG available) and the fit is very good. A balanced scoring attack is an extremely good thing. Even if some may say you need to have a dominant scorer, I don't necessarily buy that philosophy. You just need to have a scorer that can be dominant when the time comes when you need a score in the most important of games. I think all three of your guys fit that mold.
You may just be speaking generally, but this is what i said:
Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I like it --- good quality guys who I think fit together.
The biggest problem I think is a lack of scoring punch. All 3 *can* score, but none are really dominant.
I agree with others' posts that scoring balance is underrated -- and you have that.
FWIW, I don't think KG can get that crunch time shot as much as he used to be able to (he get's blocked quite a bit more... though a Lawson drive + kick to KG for a 14 footer is near automatic...)
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With the 15th pick in the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
KENNETH FARIED
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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With the 15th pick in the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
KENNETH FARIED
Aw nuts. It's August, so is this one of the months where Faried is underrated, or overrated? Personally, I like him a lot.
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With the 15th pick in the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
KENNETH FARIED
Aw nuts. It's August, so is this one of the months where Faried is underrated, or overrated? Personally, I like him a lot.
Had he not gone at 3.15 he was going at 3.17
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I really liked the Lawson pick(he was the best PG available) and the fit is very good. A balanced scoring attack is an extremely good thing. Even if some may say you need to have a dominant scorer, I don't necessarily buy that philosophy. You just need to have a scorer that can be dominant when the time comes when you need a score in the most important of games. I think all three of your guys fit that mold.
You may just be speaking generally,
Yeah, I was speaking generally. I just hear that a lot from people and don't necessarily agree.
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With the 15th pick in the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
KENNETH FARIED
Aw nuts. It's August, so is this one of the months where Faried is underrated, or overrated? Personally, I like him a lot.
Had he not gone at 3.15 he was going at 3.17
Great pick.
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Any thoughts on Alvinson HorfnetTy? [forcing it]
Lawson can run a playoff offense, and having an inside presence like Horford as well as an outside presence like Garnett could work out nicely. Not to mention the two big guys more than make up for Lawson's vertical challenges.
I really liked the Lawson pick(he was the best PG available) and the fit is very good. A balanced scoring attack is an extremely good thing. Even if some may say you need to have a dominant scorer, I don't necessarily buy that philosophy. You just need to have a scorer that can be dominant when the time comes when you need a score in the most important of games. I think all three of your guys fit that mold.
You may just be speaking generally,
Yeah, I was speaking generally. I just hear that a lot from people and don't necessarily agree.
Gotcha... neither do i... i like the Lawson/KG/Horford troika in CLE.
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With the 11th pick in the third round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Danny Granger
You have learned nothing.
Thought he'd be there in the 4th. Could be a steal. His knee deterioration hasn't been talked about enough. They still don't know if he'll be ready for camp and he missed almost all last year. Rumors are out there his career could be done. At 32 he's on the downside but he's still talented. Indiana might win a title if he was healthy last year.
Hopefully he comes back. For the record he was under consideration for 3.24.
Link to those "rumors," son?
I can't speak to his long term health. I'm just looking at Danny this year. If it wasn't clear by my nursing the clock, I would've been far more comfortable with putting the pick off. That said, I love his versatility, shooting. Defensively the Spurs wings should be very difficult to deal with.
Also he's 30 years old. April 20, 1983. Games within games, Kane.
Lol it's honestly not like that.
There was talk about Indiana trying to shop him and getting absolutely nothing back in return. I have seen beat reporters tweets about Granger being in a Brandon Roy type situation. This is something I read while doing research on him and it made me think he just might not ever be the same guy again. Career being over might have been strong but Roy came back last year and was nothing like before.
The problem with trading Granger is his gimpy knee. Sources close to that situation say Granger has had a knee issue his entire career and it’s gotten progressively worse over the years. The fear is that he may not be able to be counted on because of that knee and that makes trading for him risky.
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There are reports that he could come back for camp, but now those are "optimistic."
You are right. He is 30, but he does still turn 31 before the playoffs...
Again I was thinking about him with 3.24 and 4.2 so I am not hating on the pick at all. He's a steal if he can go, but it's definitely a risk.
My bad if you thought I was being overly critical. That's really not my style.
TP.
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SMG (sofutomygaha) is up.
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I'm sad that you snuck off with my Binky Kenneth Faried at the last moment, but I'm excited to be able to add Manu Ginobili this late in the draft, who is an excellent compliment to Westbrook and Leonard.
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By the way, foulweatherfan, I'm really psyched for you that you took Omer Asik this deep. You can basically count on having a great defense no matter what you do... that's not something anyone else is going to be able to pull of with just one pick for the rest of the draft.
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
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Here is an update for everyone...
2:10 17-67 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34
2:20 18-68 Atlanta Hawks Champkind
2:30 19-69 Portland Trailblazers riah32
2:40 20-70 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey
2:50 21-71 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show
3:00 22-72 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameHouston
3:10 23-73 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943Memphis
3:20 24-74 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287Golden State
3:30 25-75 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales PitOrlando
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond? It's close.
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Can I trust someone with my # to text me when Im up?
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Lots of talent. Lots of questions, too. But lots of talent. Extremely athletic up front.
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond? It's close.
Davis and Drummond for sure. Favors, for all his hype, has pretty pedestrian numbers, even on a per-minute basis. He's just not a guy I see developing into a star.
I like Cousins a lot, but I do think it does him a disservice to put him next to another young guy. Cousins needs somebody to take him under his wing.
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Definitley a ton of upside, but you just have to hope they can put it together. Both guys have been talked about as people that can be the best at their positions but their shortcomings are how they were both able to fall to you.
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Am I the only one that doesn't get the love affair many have with Kanter and Favors? And this isn't picking on the picks, I have said this elsewhere on the blog.
But 3 and 4 years later, Utah is still banking on their potential to produce, not on their actual production. Yeah, they have proven to be good role players off the bench but that doesn't necessarily translate to being the same in a starting role and being one of the top players on a team.
Yes, they are young but at this point, I don't see that they are ready to explode upon the NBA and be top 60 players in this league. Not by a longshot, IMHO.
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Team Old Man Strength selects:
Carlos Boozer
Wade/Pierce/Boozer/getoffourlawn
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Team Old Man Strength selects:
Carlos Boozer
Wade/Pierce/Boozer/getoffourlawn
I love it =)
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Am I the only one that doesn't get the love affair many have with Kanter and Favors? And this isn't picking on the picks, I have said this elsewhere on the blog.
But 3 and 4 years later, Utah is still banking on the potential to produce, not on their actual production. Yeah, they have proven to be good role players off the bench but that doesn't necessarily translate to being the same in a starting role and being one of the top players on a team.
Yes, they are young but at this point, I don't see that they are ready to explode upon the NBA and be top 60 players in this league. Not by a longshot, IMHO.
I was really impressed with Enes Kanter last year. A much improved jump-shot to go along with a good low post game. Looks like he can score 15+ppg in starters minutes without much trouble and get close to double digit rebounds. Defense still needs work but he has good mobility and quickness along with physical strength/heft so I think he can become an able defender. I'd expect Kanter to be a top 20 center next season and believe he is capable of becoming a top 10 center further down the road.
I was disappointed with Favors lack of development last year. It looked like things were coming together for him towards the end of the previous season and I was expecting to see him take a step forward offensively. Show more of a jump-shot and scoring ability. Didn't happen. Worried about the improvement there. Has stagnated.
I also wonder if Favors might be better off as a center than a PF. Hasn't been able to develop his offensive skill to a high enough level to be a quality starting PF (nevermind star player). He might be able to do more damage as an undersized C with his quickness than with his size/strength at PF.
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond? It's close.
Davis and Drummond for sure. Favors, for all his hype, has pretty pedestrian numbers, even on a per-minute basis. He's just not a guy I see developing into a star.
I like Cousins a lot, but I do think it does him a disservice to put him next to another young guy. Cousins needs somebody to take him under his wing.
Yeah I guess I forgot about those two, they certainly have higher upside. However, no way Drummond and Davis produce better than Cousins and Favors this year.
I was shocked to see Kanter go ahead of Favors. I expect Favors to put up 15/10/2 in a starter role next season. Cousins will be a 20/10 guy, you won't find much better production in the 4/5 spots. More importantly both are skilled and can score in the post, freeing up Curry for open 3's
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Equating Kanter and Favors is a disservice to Kanter I think. Favors has two years of stagnation at roughly the same level of play.
Kanter improved nicely from his first to second season.
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Willing to move up into the early part of the 4th round. Anyone interested in moving back a bit to move up later PM me
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond? It's close.
Davis and Drummond for sure. Favors, for all his hype, has pretty pedestrian numbers, even on a per-minute basis. He's just not a guy I see developing into a star.
I like Cousins a lot, but I do think it does him a disservice to put him next to another young guy. Cousins needs somebody to take him under his wing.
Yeah I guess I forgot about those two, they certainly have higher upside. However, no way Drummond and Davis produce better than Cousins and Favors this year.
I was shocked to see Kanter go ahead of Favors. I expect Favors to put up 15/10/2 in a starter role next season. Cousins will be a 20/10 guy, you won't find much better production in the 4/5 spots. More importantly both are skilled and can score in the post, freeing up Curry for open 3's
Their numbers are pretty comparable. Favors has the edge in rebounding, Kanter has the edge offensively.
I don't think Favors is all that skilled offensively though, especially if you play him at PF.
http://bkref.com/tiny/S1rOL
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With the 19th pick of the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
JOE JOHNSON
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With the 20th pick of the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
DANILO GALLINARI
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Portland: the all-SF team.
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond looks mighty nice as well.
Yeah, we get that. Tough to get a dominant scorer when your first pick is 19th, though.
Dirk Nowitzki, pick #22.
Well, so Dirk would have to be the guy we built our team around, and that's not going so well in Dallas right now.
Or, we could have traded, but then, like you guys, we wouldn't have a third rounder.
Tough, not impossible. We're happy where we're at though.
Are you saying Dallas's rebuilding struggles are due to Dirk?
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The 76ers select Derrick Favors not sure what court has higher upside than Cousins and Favors.
Davis and Drummond? It's close.
Davis and Drummond for sure. Favors, for all his hype, has pretty pedestrian numbers, even on a per-minute basis. He's just not a guy I see developing into a star.
I like Cousins a lot, but I do think it does him a disservice to put him next to another young guy. Cousins needs somebody to take him under his wing.
Yeah I guess I forgot about those two, they certainly have higher upside. However, no way Drummond and Davis produce better than Cousins and Favors this year.
I was shocked to see Kanter go ahead of Favors. I expect Favors to put up 15/10/2 in a starter role next season. Cousins will be a 20/10 guy, you won't find much better production in the 4/5 spots. More importantly both are skilled and can score in the post, freeing up Curry for open 3's
Their numbers are pretty comparable. Favors has the edge in rebounding, Kanter has the edge offensively.
I don't think Favors is all that skilled offensively though, especially if you play him at PF.
http://bkref.com/tiny/S1rOL
They certainly are very similar, I just think Favors is better because he has better athleticism. As far as skill, every time I watched him I was impressed by his post moves. Also you probably know how much of an offensive/defensive rating and I think that points out the quality of the minutes on top of the individual player averages.
I would be willing to put some type of TP bet that Favors has better numbers next year.
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With the 20th pick of the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
DANILO GALLINARI
I'm a big Gallo fan. The injury scared me off.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
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Portland: the all-SF team.
I guess they all can play SF but I think Melo showed last year he is most effective as a PF and Johnson has mostly played SG where he has such an excellent size advantage at that position to get off his shot.
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Portland: the all-SF team.
I guess they all can play SF but I think Melo showed last year he is most effective as a PF and Johnson has mostly played SG where he has such an excellent size advantage at that position to get off his shot.
This.
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Lakers still looking to move up from 5.14 into 4th... or even late 3rd? PM offers.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
Great pick. One of my favorite players to watch.
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With the 20th pick of the 3rd round of the CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
DANILO GALLINARI
I'm a big Gallo fan. The injury scared me off.
I was debating getting him with 4.3, but since he won't be back until February it would be extremely hard to make it in to the playoffs.
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Portland: the all-SF team.
I guess they all can play SF but I think Melo showed last year he is most effective as a PF and Johnson has mostly played SG where he has such an excellent size advantage at that position to get off his shot.
This.
More importantly having threats at the 2/3 position, which both are, means that Melo can still get the mismatch of being guarded by PFs more often. Or have the opposition down size to match up which is a win for the Knicks usually anyways.
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Portland: the all-SF team.
I guess they all can play SF but I think Melo showed last year he is most effective as a PF and Johnson has mostly played SG where he has such an excellent size advantage at that position to get off his shot.
This is really what I was referring to.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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BTW, riah's team, Portland, is being constructed completely by the BPA method on his list of 150 players he gave me. He got 2 guys in his top 20 and 3 guys in his top 40.
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
To me it's the lesser of two evils. If you keep Al at center, that's a huge defensive hole for teams to exploit down low. I'd rather force the opposing team to go small ball with Gortat as the last line of defense, rather than having Jefferson as my last line of defense.
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
Imagine Houston having to match up against Portland and Big Al having to cover Carmelo. WOW!!!
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I think Gortat/Big Al are both offensive orientated Cs. Makes them tough to play heavy minutes together.
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I have ~20 mins till my pick is due and have narrowed it to 2-3 guys (+ 2 guys i just don't have the guts to take this early)...
If you're interested i might move down.
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Willing to move some picks in order to get into back end of the 3rd.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
To me it's the lesser of two evils. If you keep Al at center, that's a huge defensive hole for teams to exploit down low. I'd rather force the opposing team to go small ball with Gortat as the last line of defense, rather than having Jefferson as my last line of defense.
Big Al is goes from a hole at C defensively to a black hole that swallows entire star systems at PF.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
To me it's the lesser of two evils. If you keep Al at center, that's a huge defensive hole for teams to exploit down low. I'd rather force the opposing team to go small ball with Gortat as the last line of defense, rather than having Jefferson as my last line of defense.
I disagree. Having two stationary big men is almost conceding any chance of playoff success against teams with mobile front lines.
As I said earlier, if the 2010 Celtics made Shaq look good at defense, then Big Al can look fine as a defensive center. You just need to commit to a strong, mobile defensive power forward, and have some good defensive wings. A team like that can beat anybody. Gortat / Big Al, on the other hand, just creates problems and question marks.
I think BATF should look for a trade to bring a bit better balance. He's got two nice players who would play horribly next to one another.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
(Insert jab related to Rubio's health record)
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
Imagine Houston having to match up against Portland and Big Al having to cover Carmelo. WOW!!!
And vice versa.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
(Insert jab related to Rubio's health record)
Yeah, but the D12 / Rubio combo somehow made it to the conference finals last year, so at least there's a track record there.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
(Insert jab related to Rubio's health record)
Yeah, but the D12 / Rubio combo somehow made it to the conference finals last year, so at least there's a track record there.
Hmm, that's odd.
I like Rubio a lot as a player and feel he's a bit underrated, but I'd want a PG who can shoot a bit better playing off Howard.
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
Imagine Houston having to match up against Portland and Big Al having to cover Carmelo. WOW!!!
And vice versa.
I would be more afraid of Melo dropping up to 60 or more on Big Al than Jefferson getting anywhere near 40 on Anthony.
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I think Big Al is the center and Gortat is the power forward. Gortat will regularly be forced to defend quicker PFs who are too quick for Big Al to handle + Gortat will generally be defended by PFs on the other end of the court so teams aren't forced to put a smaller defender on Big Al.
A strong backup big man, a skilled and quick PF, would go very nicely with those two. Develop a three player big man rotation like the Lakers had a few years ago with their three bigs. I think that would create an imposing big man rotation to play against.
I think it can work.
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
(Insert jab related to Rubio's health record)
Yeah, but the D12 / Rubio combo somehow made it to the conference finals last year, so at least there's a track record there.
Hmm, that's odd.
I like Rubio a lot as a player and feel he's a bit underrated, but I'd want a PG who can shoot a bit better playing off Howard.
I agree with this. Rubio/Howard is not a good pairing.
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Gainsville check pm.
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I disagree. Having two stationary big men is almost conceding any chance of playoff success against teams with mobile front lines.
As I said earlier, if the 2010 Celtics made Shaq look good at defense, then Big Al can look fine as a defensive center. You just need to commit to a strong, mobile defensive power forward, and have some good defensive wings. A team like that can beat anybody. Gortat / Big Al, on the other hand, just creates problems and question marks.
I think BATF should look for a trade to bring a bit better balance. He's got two nice players who would play horribly next to one another.
Again, I'm not saying having Al/Gortat is the best situation to be in. But I'd much rather have the issue of having those two big men over some other issues his team would be faced with if he kept Al at center.
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thanks for all the offers... gonna make my pick in a sec.
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
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thanks for all the offers... gonna make my pick in a sec.
Gainesville- I've gotta go, I can't wait. Sorry. I hope you didn't pick me
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there are some guys i like a little bit better as players but i think this guy fits best with CP3 and Pek...
Grizzzzzzzzzzz select Ersan Ilyasova
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Kanter and Hayward are two names I was not expecting this round but so were Butler, Beal and Granger. I had all 5 as 4th rounders.
I drafted Granger and won't argue. Very few picks I liked this round.
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
A little point guard defending Dwight? That is a problem?
That sounds like a good thing to me.
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Houston Rockets will move Big Al to his natural power forward position and take Marcin Gortat
Ugh... This guy is too good.
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I'm not sure about making Big Al a power forward, but I do like Gortat.
What I worry about is having too big men, neither of whom is tremendously mobile. The idea of Big Al chasing around guys on the perimeter makes scares me.
Imagine Houston having to match up against Portland and Big Al having to cover Carmelo. WOW!!!
And vice versa.
I would be more afraid of Melo dropping up to 60 or more on Big Al than Jefferson getting anywhere near 40 on Anthony.
I feel ya and can't argue that.
Gortat should protect the rim. They could go zone.
Portland is its worst enemy tho with joe Johnson plus Carmelo. That has ball stopping isolation ball written all over it. Don't like that pairing at all. Joe struggled with deron and deron us way more of a facilitator then melo.
Only worse thing Portland could do is hire mike Woodson.
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Ilyasova is a great pick. Not sure why Milwaukee went with Anderson, when Ersan is younger and more productive across the board.
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there are some guys i like a little bit better as players but i think this guy fits best with CP3 and Pek...
Grizzzzzzzzzzz select Ersan Ilyasova
Dude takes his sweet time getting hot during the season, but when he does, this dude is a monster - Kevin Love lite. Excellent pick and he should be a great complement to CP3 and Pek. Will you play him at SF or PF?
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there are some guys i like a little bit better as players but i think this guy fits best with CP3 and Pek...
Grizzzzzzzzzzz select Ersan Ilyasova
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Arghh was hoping he would continue to get overlooked (although he would be a luxury off our bench)
Illy is a terrific stretch 4 who often gets underrated. Unlike most stretch 4's he's a tough and gritty player who hits the glass hard and continually shoots sub 40% from 3pt despite not working with much of a post presence.
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Ilyasova is a great pick. Not sure why Milwaukee went with Anderson, when Ersan is younger and more productive across the board.
THE walker wiggle!
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
A little point guard defending Dwight? That is a problem?
That sounds like a good thing to me.
I probably explained that weird.
Basically both guys ignoring Rubio and just falling back on Howard.
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there are some guys i like a little bit better as players but i think this guy fits best with CP3 and Pek...
Grizzzzzzzzzzz select Ersan Ilyasova
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Arghh was hoping he would continue to get overlooked (although he would be a luxury off our bench)
Illy is a terrific stretch 4 who often gets underrated. Unlike most stretch 4's he's a tough and gritty player who hits the glass hard and continually shoots sub 40% from 3pt despite not working with much of a post presence.
I might be misundertanding... but Ily shot 44.8% on 2.5 3FA/gm last 2 years combined
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Ilyasova is a great pick. Not sure why Milwaukee went with Anderson, when Ersan is younger and more productive across the board.
Yup.
Illy>Anderson
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Okc takes Ricky Rubio
This is a really strong pick for this team. Rubio/Green/Howard is an intriguing trio.
(Insert jab related to Rubio's health record)
Yeah, but the D12 / Rubio combo somehow made it to the conference finals last year, so at least there's a track record there.
Hmm, that's odd.
I like Rubio a lot as a player and feel he's a bit underrated, but I'd want a PG who can shoot a bit better playing off Howard.
I agree with this. Rubio/Howard is not a good pairing.
Huh. Howard is an elite finisher rolling or cutting to the basket, Rubio is one of the games three or four best passers. I'd watch them. It's also a very strong defensive pairing.
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there are some guys i like a little bit better as players but i think this guy fits best with CP3 and Pek...
Grizzzzzzzzzzz select Ersan Ilyasova
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Arghh was hoping he would continue to get overlooked (although he would be a luxury off our bench)
Illy is a terrific stretch 4 who often gets underrated. Unlike most stretch 4's he's a tough and gritty player who hits the glass hard and continually shoots sub 40% from 3pt despite not working with much of a post presence.
I might be misundertanding... but Ily shot 44.8% on 2.5 3FA/gm last 2 years combined
Meh, I knew it was in that ball park lol
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Huh. Howard is an elite finisher rolling or cutting to the basket, Rubio is one of the games three or four best passers. I'd watch them. It's also a very strong defensive pairing.
You're focusing on the one offensive weapon they have. Shut it down and what do they do? Rubio's gonna start swishing three's? Dwight pulls out his post game 9 years in the making?
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Love/Granger/Iguodala
How's my driving? 1-800-DUBS
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Thanks for the love on the Rubio pick
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You're focusing on the one offensive weapon they have. Shut it down and what do they do? Rubio's gonna start swishing three's?
I'd assume he would if he is wide open.
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
A little point guard defending Dwight? That is a problem?
That sounds like a good thing to me.
I probably explained that weird.
Basically both guys ignoring Rubio and just falling back on Howard.
The big still has to step out on Rubio to stop Rubio from having a wide open lane to the basket. And Dwight is still one of the quickest centers rolling to the hoop, one of the physically strongest players in the league in being able to hold deep post position (when he beats his man to the post) and an explosive leaper capable of catching and finishing a wide range of lob passes.
Stopping Rubio's drive and recovering to Dwight after showing on Rubio while limiting Rubio's passing angles is going to be very difficult for opposing teams ... even with Rubio's difficulty with his jump-shot.
Just look at Rubio and Pekovic in Minnesota.
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Who are the last 2 picks, Kane and fwf? Gotta go cut my grass before the thunderstorms start.
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Love/Granger/Iguodala
How's my driving? 1-800-DUBS
Southwest Div is kinda brutal... glad i'm not in it:
SAS: Love/Granger/Iguodala
HOU: Harden/Batum/Big Al/Gortat
DAL: Parker/Gallinari/Faried
MEM: CP3/Pekovic/Ilyasova
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You're focusing on the one offensive weapon they have. Shut it down and what do they do? Rubio's gonna start swishing three's?
I'd assume he would if he is wide open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARS5ozZ1CH4
Harrington: career 35.2%
Rubio: career 31.7%
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Golden State selects JR Smith 3.24
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Shut it down and what do they do?
Ha. That doesn't quite qualify as a plan though. Lebron - Stop him from getting to the hoop. Curry - Don't give up any three pointers. Love - Keep him off the glass.
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Save your time and just read Who's response.
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
A little point guard defending Dwight? That is a problem?
That sounds like a good thing to me.
I probably explained that weird.
Basically both guys ignoring Rubio and just falling back on Howard.
The big still has to step out on Rubio to stop Rubio from having a wide open lane to the basket. And Dwight is still one of the quickest centers rolling to the hoop, one of the physically strongest players in the league in being able to hold deep post position (when he beats his man to the post) and an explosive leaper capable of catching and finishing a wide range of lob passes.
Stopping Rubio's drive and recovering to Dwight after showing on Rubio while limiting Rubio's passing angles is going to be very difficult for opposing teams ... even with Rubio's difficulty with his jump-shot.
Just look at Rubio and Pekovic in Minnesota.
If Jeff Green shoots anything like he does at the end of last year, the out on the failed pick and roll with Howard and Rubio is still a sharp shooting Green from three who can take a mismatch or an overplay on the three off the dribble to the hole if he wants.
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Love/Granger/Iguodala
How's my driving? 1-800-DUBS
Southwest Div is kinda brutal... glad i'm not in it:
SAS: Love/Granger/Iguodala
HOU: Harden/Batum/Big Al/Gortat
DAL: Parker/Gallinari/Faried
MEM: CP3/Pekovic/Ilyasova
Whoever Houston is has a very solid and complementary foundation there.
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Pick 4.1 is officially on the block...
Looking to trade back to acquire additional 4th/5th/6th rounders
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You're focusing on the one offensive weapon they have. Shut it down and what do they do? Rubio's gonna start swishing three's?
I'd assume he would if he is wide open.
Harrington: career 35.2%
Rubio: career 31.7%
Save your time and just read Who's response.
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
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Not including the last pick of the day the Big Board, Eligible Players, Rosters and Trade posts on the first page should be up to date. Please check and if you want me to move a player around in the Rosters or I made a mistake somewhere else, let me know and I will fix it.
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Hm. If I had to pick the best possible PG to put next to Kobe, I'd say Jrue Holiday, but like the Hawks of last year, George Hill is still a winner here as well.
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Hm. If I had to pick the best possible PG to put next to Kobe, I'd say Jrue Holiday, but like the Hawks of last year, George Hill is still a winner here as well.
Hmm, Kobe and Hill on one team, Duncan and West on another, both solid squads, imagine if they were on one team....
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Nice pick IMO. Hill is the guy i didn't have the guts to take.
Now that it's not an issue I'm curious what folks honestly would have thought of MEM's pairing Hill as Dumars to CP3's Isaiah Thomas?
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Third round is over so everyone should have an idea on what talent is still left. Lakers still looking to trade up from 5.14.
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Taking offers on Tyson. 2013 All Defensive 1st Team and All Star
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Hill is an excellent PG to have when you have Kobe on your team. You're doing a very admirable job building around him.
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Nice pick IMO.
Hill is the guy i didn't have the guts to take. Now that it's not an issue I'm curious what folks honestly would have thought of MEM's pairing Hill as Dumars to CP3's Isaiah Thomas?
I like it in a vacuum but it seems like you'd have a lot of problems with bigger backcourts. If you drafted a starting SG later with the intent of playing the Paul/Hill tandem a lot situationally, kinda like what Golden State did with Curry and another guy, it'd look better.
TPs all around for the Hill compliments, BTW - picking last is nice for attention.
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Nice pick IMO.
Hill is the guy i didn't have the guts to take. Now that it's not an issue I'm curious what folks honestly would have thought of MEM's pairing Hill as Dumars to CP3's Isaiah Thomas?
I like it in a vacuum but it seems like you'd have a lot of problems with bigger backcourts. If you drafted a starting SG later with the intent of playing the Paul/Hill tandem a lot situationally, kinda like what Golden State did with Curry and another guy, it'd look better.
this is almost exactly in line with what i was thinking and why i was too "chicken" to take Hill --- who i think is an underated PG b/c he's not flashy.
Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Hill is an excellent PG to have when you have Kobe on your team. You're doing a very admirable job building around him.
It seems like GMs are prioritizing fit over amassing talent (regardless of fit) more than in past CBDs. I think the tweak to rounds 1/2/3 and the relative absence of trades has led to that...
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I love Rubio and Dwight together just like I loved the idea of Rondo and Dwight together.
I think Rubio's passing ability is going to be insanely difficult to contain in the pick and roll with Dwight as a screener and surrounded by shooters.
I wouldn't be worried about Rubio's lack of shooting. I would worried about the shooting ability of 2 through 4. My two guard and my two forwards. So long as those guys are good shooters, Rubio's lack of a jumper doesn't worry me. If those guys are bad shooters, problems can compound quickly and become problematic. But by themselves, Rubio and Dwight should be able to work very well together.
Speaking of PnR, wouldn't Rubio's man simply go under the screen and sag back on Howard? Essentially jamming Howard up
A little point guard defending Dwight? That is a problem?
That sounds like a good thing to me.
I probably explained that weird.
Basically both guys ignoring Rubio and just falling back on Howard.
The big still has to step out on Rubio to stop Rubio from having a wide open lane to the basket. And Dwight is still one of the quickest centers rolling to the hoop, one of the physically strongest players in the league in being able to hold deep post position (when he beats his man to the post) and an explosive leaper capable of catching and finishing a wide range of lob passes.
Stopping Rubio's drive and recovering to Dwight after showing on Rubio while limiting Rubio's passing angles is going to be very difficult for opposing teams ... even with Rubio's difficulty with his jump-shot.
Just look at Rubio and Pekovic in Minnesota.
If Jeff Green shoots anything like he does at the end of last year, the out on the failed pick and roll with Howard and Rubio is still a sharp shooting Green from three who can take a mismatch or an overplay on the three off the dribble to the hole if he wants.
Lurking just enough to catch this.
Also Roy's comment of "somehow the combo made the WCF last year" was a bit misleading, as he neglected to mention that the 2012 CB Draft Blazers also included Joe Johnson and IP's pick for DKC sixth man of the year, amongst a couple of other very successful complimentary players who I won't name. The combo can go far when surrounded with the right pieces.
Rubio's shot is still dicey, but he still makes his teammates better and had the numbers to back that up (coming off his rookie season at least).
A full off season for Rubio this year should help him get back to where he was pre-injury.
EDIT: i suppose my first paragraph was more a response at Roy's shot than anything that would go towards helping the rubio/howard backers haha.
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I'm taking AB_Celtic's guy with 4.3. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm taking AB_Celtic's guy with 4.3. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Have fun with that.
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I'm taking AB_Celtic's guy with 4.3. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Have fun with that.
I'm kidding still don't know who to get. :)
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(http://www.chezgrae.com/modsquad/images/introbluesky.jpg)
Which one is IP?
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Orlando Kobes select George Hill
Hill is an excellent PG to have when you have Kobe on your team. You're doing a very admirable job building around him.
It seems like GMs are prioritizing fit over amassing talent (regardless of fit) more than in past CBDs. I think the tweak to rounds 1/2/3 and the relative absence of trades has led to that...
I've been thinking pretty much exclusively in terms of fit, but that's mainly because I started with Kobe and you kind of have to tailor the team to him.
Although as history shows, when the talent fits Kobe gets a lot out of it. Just look at how the players from the 09-10 title teams have done since leaving LA. It's basically a bunch of guys warming benches (one due to injury, but still).
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Man, Allen Iverson is officially retiring today!
I was hoping to nab him in the 7th round...
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Man, Allen Iverson is officially retiring today!
I was hoping to nab him in the 7th round...
He was going to Washington in round 6. ;D ;D
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Man, Allen Iverson is officially retiring today!
I was hoping to nab him in the 7th round...
He was going to Washington in round 6. ;D ;D
Or maybe BACK to Memphis in Rd. 5?
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Alright everyone in round 4. The Clippers have the 11th pick and willing to move multiple 5th rounders to improve position.
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Alright everyone in round 4. The Clippers have the 11th pick and willing to move multiple 5th rounders to improve position.
I'm jealous of the overpay somebody is going to get. Heck, I would've given you 3.11 for 4.12 and multiple 5ths.
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Just a heads up. Jeff Green was drafted not Danny Green. Danny is the one crossed out on the 1st page list not Jeff.
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Another excellent pick for the Orlando Kobes.
the fit here is extraordinary. I think it was my first year in the CBD and someone had Kobe surrounded by the likes of Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas and some other wildly awful team mates to ever put alongside Kobe Bryant. The team was so bad as to be comical.
I think I'll go look it up to show an example of what not to do when you have Kobe Bryant
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Nevermind.
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Check your PM's, Kane.
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Another excellent pick for the Orlando Kobes.
the fit here is extraordinary. I think it was my first year in the CBD and someone had Kobe surrounded by the likes of Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas and some other wildly awful team mates to ever put alongside Kobe Bryant. The team was so bad as to be comical.
I think I'll go look it up to show an example of what not to do when you have Kobe Bryant
I remembered wrong. It was Tracy McGrady and Iverson that team was built around. Looked at other CBD Kobe teams though and this one is the best constructed that I saw.
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Another excellent pick for the Orlando Kobes.
the fit here is extraordinary. I think it was my first year in the CBD and someone had Kobe surrounded by the likes of Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas and some other wildly awful team mates to ever put alongside Kobe Bryant. The team was so bad as to be comical.
I think I'll go look it up to show an example of what not to do when you have Kobe Bryant
I remembered wrong. It was Tracy McGrady and Iverson that team was built around. Looked at other CBD Kobe teams though and this one is the best constructed that I saw.
#1 - just take all my TPs. Happy for the compliments, but we'll see how people like it when it counts.
#2 - can we still see this crazy chucker team? You can remove the name to protect the guilty.
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Just curious what people think of my Conley/George/Anderson trio.
Personally I like it, but know I could have done better. It is beyond frustrating not being able to be around during the day. Both of the last two rounds I've wanted to trade back, after seeing the early parts of each round.
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Just curious what people think of my Conley/George/Anderson trio.
Personally I like it, but know I could have done better. It is beyond frustrating not being able to be around during the day. Both of the last two rounds I've wanted to trade back, after seeing the early parts of each round.
I like it. You've got the defense and the outside shooting. Curious to see what type of C you will get.
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Curious as to people's thoughts on the trio of
Parker/Faried/Gallinari
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Stepping out for awhile to go throw up some air balls at the park. If I got trade talks with you I'll get back to you later tonight
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Just curious what people think of my Conley/George/Anderson trio.
Personally I like it, but know I could have done better. It is beyond frustrating not being able to be around during the day. Both of the last two rounds I've wanted to trade back, after seeing the early parts of each round.
I like it...all three can shoot/score and that is a heck of a defensive backcourt. And tough interior D and rebounding and you are looking good.
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Eh? I missed the entirw round. Scumbag work had to make me foeget about priorities.
But thanks for not picking my guys (well some of them got picked).
BTW, Damian Lillard is the ROTY, just to remibd everyone
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Thanks and TPs to Ronny and Pits for their thoughts.
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Eh? I missed the entirw round. Scumbag work had to make me foeget about priorities.
But thanks for not picking my guys (well some of them got picked).
BTW, Damian Lillard is the ROTY, just to remibd everyone
Yah you act like work is more important, Yoki. Disappointed.
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Eh? I missed the entirw round. Scumbag work had to make me foeget about priorities.
I feel your pain...stupid work >:(
Have a TP
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Eh? I missed the entirw round. Scumbag work had to make me foeget about priorities.
But thanks for not picking my guys (well some of them got picked).
BTW, Damian Lillard is the ROTY, just to remibd everyone
Yah you act like work is more important, Yoki. Disappointed.
I got the impression he was being sarcastic, and would much rather have been here.
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Eh? I missed the entirw round. Scumbag work had to make me foeget about priorities.
But thanks for not picking my guys (well some of them got picked).
BTW, Damian Lillard is the ROTY, just to remibd everyone
Yah you act like work is more important, Yoki. Disappointed.
I got the impression he was being sarcastic, and would much rather have been here.
Haha yeah, I caught that.
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L.A. Clippers soon to announce a trade more to come.
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#2 - can we still see this crazy chucker team? You can remove the name to protect the guilty.
Okay, here you go?
Danny Granger, Jose Calderon, Tracy McGrady, Jason Thompson, Allen Iverson, Craig Smith, Roy Hibbert, Kyle Lowry, Deshawn Stevenson, Ricky Davis, Dan Gadzuric
Remember this is the summer of 2009 so Lowry, Hibbert and Stevenson had just came off horrific seasons and this GM was pushing:
Danny Granger, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Ricky Davis, Jason Thompson as his core and was shocked that people had him ranked amongst the worst teams in the CB Draft.
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Bucks are open to listening to trade offers on all players/picks.
Just 'cuz I feel like being entertained.
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#2 - can we still see this crazy chucker team? You can remove the name to protect the guilty.
Okay, here you go?
Danny Granger, Jose Calderon, Tracy McGrady, Jason Thompson, Allen Iverson, Craig Smith, Roy Hibbert, Kyle Lowry, Deshawn Stevenson, Ricky Davis, Dan Gadzuric
Remember this is the summer of 2009 so Lowry, Hibbert and Stevenson had just came off horrific seasons and this GM was pushing:
Danny Granger, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Ricky Davis, Jason Thompson as his core and was shocked that people had him ranked amongst the worst teams in the CB Draft.
Thanks! Thing is, that is a fair amount of talent if you ignore how it'd interact. But in a "real team" simulation it's got a massive "one ball problem". Maybe the owner was just applying fantasy team logic.
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TRADE
Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
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TRADE
Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
Wow.
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Just curious what people think of my Conley/George/Anderson trio.
Personally I like it, but know I could have done better. It is beyond frustrating not being able to be around during the day. Both of the last two rounds I've wanted to trade back, after seeing the early parts of each round.
The George and Conley backcourt is first rate. Anderson is solid, but was a reach in the third round, particularly with Ilyasova still in the board.
If it's any consolation. I've shopped my pick both days without drawing a compelling offer. This far, there's been a glut of teams in the middle of the second and third rounds looking to move back.
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TRADE
Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
Wow.
Wow is right...
Lakers would of done that and we have a better pick. Moral of the story, shop your trades.
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TRADE
Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
You could've gotten a better deal, Clips.
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#2 - can we still see this crazy chucker team? You can remove the name to protect the guilty.
Okay, here you go?
Danny Granger, Jose Calderon, Tracy McGrady, Jason Thompson, Allen Iverson, Craig Smith, Roy Hibbert, Kyle Lowry, Deshawn Stevenson, Ricky Davis, Dan Gadzuric
Remember this is the summer of 2009 so Lowry, Hibbert and Stevenson had just came off horrific seasons and this GM was pushing:
Danny Granger, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Ricky Davis, Jason Thompson as his core and was shocked that people had him ranked amongst the worst teams in the CB Draft.
Where's ronaldo when you need him?
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Everyone has an opinion but we thought this gave us the best option to improve our team for a championship. Especially as contenders in the western conference
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We want to move up in the 4th. PM me. Offers get TPs.
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Haha, I remember exactly who that GM was. He offered me Lowry and 10th rounders for Derrick Rose and when I declined he upped it to a 9th.
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TRADE
Orlando sends: 4.16, 8.16
Los Angeles Clippers send: 5.3, 5.15
Wow.
Exactly the first word I wrote in a PM back to the original person that sent me the trade confirmation.
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Everyone has an opinion but we thought this gave us the best option to improve our team for a championship. Especially as contenders in the western conference
By moving up half a round at the expense of moving down three rounds? I get that they're later picks that hold less value, but wow...
Clippers must really value a certain player.
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Updated my sig for the leagues let's go lol
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2013&p2=conlemi01&y2=2013&p3=holidjr01&y3=2013&p4=lillada01&y4=2013
These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
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These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
I agree. In fact, I'd put Lawson #2 on that list behind Conley (more defense + experience). I was surprised Lawson fell that far, and truth be told, he was one of two players that really made me try and move into the 3rd. Great pickup by you guys.
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These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
I agree. In fact, I'd put Lawson #2 on that list behind Conley (more defense + experience). I was surprised Lawson fell that far, and truth be told, he was one of two players that really made me try and move into the 3rd. Great pickup by you guys.
I would agree with this ranking. Conley is the only one you can give the definitive nod to, from simply looking at statistics. The guy's the whole package.
Lawson out-shot both Jrue and Lillard, and he did it on a playoff team. Sure, the little guy can't rebound, but Horford and KG can ;)
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While on the Lawson/Horford/KG trio, I must say that is a super efficient shooting lineup so far. Horford's FT% last year was a huge fluke, having shot over 76% from the charity stripe up until last season.
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Eidt, nevermind....I see the issue was already addressed
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
Another change from previous years is that GM's aren't actually offering you a bag of nothing for your best players. Have yet to receive one offer for Harden. If this was a few years ago I would've gotten an inbox full.
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Another change from previous years is that GM's aren't actually offering you a bag of nothing for your best players. Have yet to receive one offer for Harden. If this was a few years ago I would've gotten an inbox full.
Or, teams just don't want to mess with you after stealing two trades.
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Another change from previous years is that GM's aren't actually offering you a bag of nothing for your best players. Have yet to receive one offer for Harden. If this was a few years ago I would've gotten an inbox full.
Or, teams just don't want to mess with you after stealing two trades.
(Blacklist BigAl)
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
We are only half way through the first week but I'm really hoping it stays this way.
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
We are only half way through the first week but I'm really hoping it stays this way.
That's it.....I QUIT!!!!
Wanna fight about it?
Just Kidding
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
We are only half way through the first week but I'm really hoping it stays this way.
We've haven't hit voting/playoffs yet.
That brings out the absolute worst in people.
Even though, I have a feeling this year won't be as bad.
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Assuming Kobe comes back healthy, I'd argue the Magic are legit title contenders. That's a helluva team you got there.
Other faves:
Boston - Kyrie will love that PNR game with Gasol and Kanter.
New York - Two elite bigs (with different skill sets) paired with Rondo? That's nice.
Brooklyn - Don't sleep on the Nets; they have good pieces in place.
Philly - Should be a super-fun team. I love Curry and Boogie together, and Favors should improve.
Chicago - Big Jrue fan here, and I think Chandler is great next to Aldridge.
Indiana - Potentially frightening duo.
Cleveland - Superb trio. KG!
Detroit - TOTF right here.
Milwaukee - Conley and George together = grand theft auto backcourt.
Miami - The floor is spread! I like Hayward and Parsons on the wing.
Atlanta - If healthy, very scary. Truth!
Washington - Wall and Thompson is an excellent backcourt, and Noah brings a strong backbone for the interior D. Strong core.
San Antonio - Potential for awesomest locker room ever (In all seriousness, wonderful blend of scoring, defense, and rebounding.).
Memphis - Ily and Pek are great pick-setters for CP3. Great squad so far.
Houston - Trade one of the bigs for a solid PG and BAM! you're the favorite in the West.
Dallas - Fast breaks galore!
Lakers - This is the best frontcourt BY FAR. I love the duo.
Clippers - One word: athleticism. I like it.
Golden State - It's okay Roy, people will be watching your team this year. Fun, scrappy squad.
Phoenix - Sleeper in the West. TD and West will be great, and Butler is only going to get better.
Portland - Scary wings, scary wings everywhere.
OKC - Fun offensively, very good defensively.
Denver - These young boys will be putting points on the board.
Minnesota - Potentially mind-bogglingly soil-your-shorts-if-you're-the-other-team scary on defense. Ibaka is a good fit next to LeBron.
Good luck to everyone!
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So, here's a thought I have pondered. Paul George started out as a SG, but is now a legit 6'8". Many people generally view him as a 2/3, but I think I see him more as a 3/4.
I'm seriously considering playing Anderson at C, at times, with George at the 4. This could be particularly beneficial against a team with Bron/Melo/Durant, who play them at PF as well.
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
I've lurked around in these drafts in the past, and the stupid drama was the #1 thing that kept me from signing up (#2 is that you get punished for being savvy in a way that other owners don't appreciate, but I'm not cocky enough to think that'll come up for me). Glad to see basically none of that so far. Really good-natured and fun up to this point.
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So, here's a thought I have pondered. Paul George started out as a SG, but is now a legit 6'8". Many people generally view him as a 2/3, but I think I see him more as a 3/4.
I'm seriously considering playing Anderson at C, at times, with George at the 4. This could be particularly beneficial against a team with Bron/Melo/Durant, who play them at PF as well.
Ryno at C? That'll be ugly...
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So, here's a thought I have pondered. Paul George started out as a SG, but is now a legit 6'8". Many people generally view him as a 2/3, but I think I see him more as a 3/4.
I'm seriously considering playing Anderson at C, at times, with George at the 4. This could be particularly beneficial against a team with Bron/Melo/Durant, who play them at PF as well.
Ryno at C? That'll be ugly...
It'd be interesting that's for sure - Euro/D'Antoni ball to the extreme. None of Bron/Durant/Melo have a legit C alongside them yet, so it could match up ok against them.
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The most surprising thing for me so far this year have been the lack of trades, though I think many of us were saying the same thing last year and then trade-a-palooza began in the 6th round.
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The most surprising thing for me so far this year have been the lack of trades, though I think many of us were saying the same thing last year and then trade-a-palooza began in the 6th round.
I've never participated in one of these drafts, but I'm not surprised by the lack of trades, based on values I see being placed on picks in the 1st few rounds.
I'd expect this weekend to see some heavy dealings, as teams try to create better "fits".
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PG: Someone that'll make you say, " Savvy pick"
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
TALK ABOUT MY TEAM OR I'LL QUIT!
Sidenote: Pretty sure I'm the first team to start guys named Chandler and Gordon since 1937.
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The most surprising thing for me so far this year have been the lack of trades, though I think many of us were saying the same thing last year and then trade-a-palooza began in the 6th round.
Lol I remember coming in at the 6th round and making like 5 trades that same round.
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#2 - can we still see this crazy chucker team? You can remove the name to protect the guilty.
Okay, here you go?
Danny Granger, Jose Calderon, Tracy McGrady, Jason Thompson, Allen Iverson, Craig Smith, Roy Hibbert, Kyle Lowry, Deshawn Stevenson, Ricky Davis, Dan Gadzuric
Remember this is the summer of 2009 so Lowry, Hibbert and Stevenson had just came off horrific seasons and this GM was pushing:
Danny Granger, Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Ricky Davis, Jason Thompson as his core and was shocked that people had him ranked amongst the worst teams in the CB Draft.
Where's ronaldo when you need him?
Not sure if compliment, insult, or a bit of both. 8)
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listening to offers for players and/or picks
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2013&p2=conlemi01&y2=2013&p3=holidjr01&y3=2013&p4=lillada01&y4=2013
These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
Reason why I chose Holiday over Ty was defense. Holiday's defense is so underrated.
Also looking to trade and will even trade down from 4.3, but only if it's a heck of an offer.
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2013&p2=conlemi01&y2=2013&p3=holidjr01&y3=2013&p4=lillada01&y4=2013
These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
Reason why I chose Holiday over Ty was defense. Holiday's defense is so underrated.
Also looking to trade and will even trade down from 4.3, but only if it's a heck of an offer.
I think Conley's and Holiday's defensive games are well above the other two's defensive games. I think Conley is the best floor general of the four and Lawson the best leader amongst the group. Holiday is the best rebounder of the group by far, its not even close. Lawson might have the best open court game and its probably a toss up between Conley, Lawson and Holiday as to who is the best natural passer of the group.
They all shoot about the same and shooting might be the only thing keeping Lillard in this group comparison. I just don't think he's as good as the rest.
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=lawsoty01&y1=2013&p2=conlemi01&y2=2013&p3=holidjr01&y3=2013&p4=lillada01&y4=2013
These 4 PGs are a lot more similar than you might think, and one of them was taken half a round later than the other three.
Reason why I chose Holiday over Ty was defense. Holiday's defense is so underrated.
Yeah, honestly, getting Holiday mid 2nd round is about right (I figured late 2nd). I contemplated putting him on my list at about that point, but felt Conley is just an overall better player. Conley really does do everything well, he is a vastly underrated player, IMHO.
Lawson was picked about where he should have been (maybe a little higher). Lillard was drafted too soon.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
I'd take Lawson and Lillard with the game on the line any day of the week before holiday.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
Holiday was #6 in "CLUTCH" stats on 82 games only behind Irving, Bryant, Paul, Durant, and Harden.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
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You know what everyone forgets...
Gordon Hayward got ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx87atIFbKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGggGD-l34I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRY7w3XmDnE
BOOM!
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
Holiday does have pretty good playoff stats (2 seasons).
His raw numbers are slightly inflated by his usage rate, however. Conley had a .549 TS% vs Holiday's .493 TS% last year.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
Holiday was #6 in "CLUTCH" stats on 82 games only behind Irving, Bryant, Paul, Durant, and Harden.
In terms of points scored in "clutch" moments (as defined as 82games)... the Sixers didn't exactly have many other offensive options so of course it's expected for Holiday to rank so high.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
Holiday was #6 in "CLUTCH" stats on 82 games only behind Irving, Bryant, Paul, Durant, and Harden.
In terms of points scored in "clutch" moments (as defined as 82games)... the Sixers didn't exactly have many other offensive options so of course it's expected for Holiday to rank so high.
That goes both ways though since the Sixers had such a crappy core all eyes were on Holiday. I mean when you look at the fact that he led such a crappy supporting cast to 34 wins it's quite amazing.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
A first-round fodder team that snuck by because Derrick Rose got injured?
Real high-stakes playoff basketball.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
A first-round fodder team that snuck by because Derrick Rose got injured?
Real high-stakes playoff basketball.
well, they did take the C's to 7 games
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
Holiday was #6 in "CLUTCH" stats on 82 games only behind Irving, Bryant, Paul, Durant, and Harden.
Interesting that 2 of the top 5 "clutch" players according to "clutch stats" were on pretty awful teams.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
A first-round fodder team that snuck by because Derrick Rose got injured?
Real high-stakes playoff basketball.
It's still playoff basketball. If his team lost they still went home. And they took the Cs to 7.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Not sure if serious...
Holiday was #6 in "CLUTCH" stats on 82 games only behind Irving, Bryant, Paul, Durant, and Harden.
Interesting that 2 of the top 5 "clutch" players according to "clutch stats" were on pretty awful teams.
2 out of 6 and we all know that Irving is clutch. (At least in the regular season)
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Holiday hasn't had the opportunity to be clutch.
He was on the Sixers.
He was on the sixers the year before also...
A first-round fodder team that snuck by because Derrick Rose got injured?
Real high-stakes playoff basketball.
Took C's to game 7...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9loWVYEaKkE
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It's still playoff basketball. If his team lost they still went home. And they took the Cs to 7.
Team A taking Team B to 7 does not mean that a player on Team A was clutch.
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That goes both ways though since the Sixers had such a crappy core all eyes were on Holiday. I mean when you look at the fact that he led such a crappy supporting cast to 34 wins it's quite amazing.
Well I think we've shown how subjective the whole idea of "clutch" is. I'm definitely not going to argue Holiday isn't clutch, especially from what I've seen from him dating back to his UCLA days, but personally I would definitely take Conley and Lawson because they actually have an admirable track record. Ultimately, I think that's the biggest factor. I mean, despite converting at a higher clip during "clutch" scenarios, many people still think Lebron is inferior to Kobe when the game is on the line.
Conley has come through in the NBA playoffs. Lawson showed he could do it in the NCAA championship. I've already seen more game-winners from Lillard than I have Holiday. I recall some great plays from Holiday during their 1st round matchup with the Heat two years ago, but that's about it as far as his "clutch" plays. This isn't to put Holiday below the other three guards, but it's sort of strange to see you so confidently say that the other guards are "no where near Holiday" in terms of being "clutch".
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It's still playoff basketball. If his team lost they still went home. And they took the Cs to 7.
Team A taking Team B to 7 does not mean that a player on Team A was clutch.
No, but his play being instrumental in that series going 7 does.
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Oh, are we arguing about if Holiday is better than Mike Conley Jr? Holiday is more talented but Conley Jr is more polished at this point and it's not like he's afraid of the moment.
My favorite part of Mike Conley Jr.? The dude can stroke it from Neptune.
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Agree with rondoallaturca. I'm not saying Holiday isn't clutch. I'm just saying that you can't make that argument without evidence. And there's far less evidence from him than there is from some of these other guys.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure none of these guys put up 35 and 10 in a playoff game on the road.
Besides Lawson of course.
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Oh, are we arguing about if Holiday is better than Mike Conley Jr? Holiday is more talented but Conley Jr is more polished at this point and it's not like he's afraid of the moment.
My favorite part of Mike Conley Jr.? The dude can stroke it from Neptune.
Not at all we where arguing about who was most clutch.
(To answer your first question though)
As of now I would say Conley is #1, but I think if Holiday could play next to Allen and Gasol man that be fun to watch.
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
I am sure some wonder about Lee off the bench but he was too good to pass up at 55 overall. Made the All-Star team, Double Double Machine (led the league). Can spread the floor.
Come on this team is talented and will always have great play around the basket and in the paint.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/warriors/images/lee_allstar2013_jersey_250x250.jpg)
(http://cdn.solecollector.com/media/sneakers/images/zach-randolph-nike-air-max-hyperguard-up-all-star-pe-01.jpg)
(http://p.twimg.com/AlQEROKCMAEUn38.jpg:large)
(http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/JR-Smith-NBA-6th-man-ofthe-year-300x300.png)
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
While Hibbert was an All Star in 2012 he was not one in 2013. Either way you have a nice team, but I would like for you to move David Lee for a PG or SF.
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Looking to get some feedback from an outside of the draft source. Thanks PM me if possible. Also always taking in offers on picks/players.
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Looking to get some feedback from an outside of the draft source. Thanks PM me if possible. Also always taking in offers on picks/players.
Just a heads up you should update your sig.
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
While Hibbert was an All Star in 2012 he was not one in 2013. Either way you have a nice team, but I would like for you to move David Lee for a PG or SF.
No but my point is that he is an All Star caliber player as his series against NYC and Miami showed. Dominated Tyson Chandler and Chris Bosh. His Defense was stellar and his rim protection against Melo and Lebron, Superb!
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Shall we begin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9s7twDbbQ
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Looking to get some feedback from an outside of the draft source. Thanks PM me if possible. Also always taking in offers on picks/players.
Rose and Griffin are great players. You have scorers. You need shooting and rim protection. Those two guys need floor spacing. A center who can hit the 15 foot jumper would be great, but I don't know if there are any available that can also block shots.
Tons of floor spacers out there on the wing.
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No scrolling text advertising teams.
No GM fights.
Nobody quitting mid draft.
Is this really the CBDraft?
Just kidding. Nice change from some years.
We are only half way through the first week but I'm really hoping it stays this way.
Yes, too soon to say. Last summer we had our most decorous draft - we didn't run off the rails till late in the post season.
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
While Hibbert was an All Star in 2012 he was not one in 2013. Either way you have a nice team, but I would like for you to move David Lee for a PG or SF.
No but my point is that he is an All Star caliber player as his series against NYC and Miami showed. Dominated Tyson Chandler and Chris Bosh. His Defense was stellar and his rim protection against Melo and Lebron, Superb!
I had Hibbert as a 1st round talent.
Hibbert/ZBo/Lee is insanely good. You'll likely have to move one though. I find it unlikely you will be able to fill out a team around them.
Do you still have the 4th round picks to boot? If so, I take back what I said bout filling out the team. I'd still move one though.
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Looking for some feedback thanks
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
While Hibbert was an All Star in 2012 he was not one in 2013. Either way you have a nice team, but I would like for you to move David Lee for a PG or SF.
No but my point is that he is an All Star caliber player as his series against NYC and Miami showed. Dominated Tyson Chandler and Chris Bosh. His Defense was stellar and his rim protection against Melo and Lebron, Superb!
I had Hibbert as a 1st round talent.
Hibbert/ZBo/Lee is insanely good. You'll likely have to move one though. I find it unlikely you will be able to fill out a team around them.
Well I won't trade to trade. I have two fourths so I will add two starting caliber players and my 5th is at the top of the round so I have some ammunition. We will see.
By the way, since you commented on my team... Paul George I absolutely love!!! Conley is nice. I like Anderson but he needs the right center. I am sure this is something you already know.
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Yeah, just noticed you still have 2 4th's (and JR), Kane. That is some seriously good team building right there.
Just don't mess it up this round. ;)
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Looking for some feedback thanks
You've got a top 10 guy and MVP caliber player. You need a pick and roll big who can score to really compliment Parker and also Fraried who I also like, but is still raw offensively.
Like Gallo. Look at some wing depth when first constructing your bench to help with his injury.
Also look at guys who excel in up-tempo play b/c your roster thus far looks like an up-tempo team.
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Nevermind.
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Going to bed soon willing to take offers. Will be up early in the AM as well. Let me know soon!
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Looking to get some feedback from an outside of the draft source. Thanks PM me if possible. Also always taking in offers on picks/players.
Just a heads up you should update your sig.
Since you commented on mine ;)
First I liked the trade. I knew CP3 was going third to whoever and I would trade CP3 for Chandler and LA anytime.
All of your players have length and Chandler compliments LA very well. As long as Chandler doesn't see Hibbert you should be good ;)
Holiday is still growing and all your players were All-Stars. Should be a contender.
You need to look at a defensive minded wing in my opinion. A guy who can make the SuperStar scoring 2s and 3s play as inefficiently as possible.
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Still interested in trading up from 5.14 into the 4th round. Thanks.
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Looking to get some feedback from an outside of the draft source. Thanks PM me if possible. Also always taking in offers on picks/players.
Just a heads up you should update your sig.
Since you commented on mine ;)
First I liked the trade. I knew CP3 was going third to whoever and I would trade CP3 for Chandler and LA anytime.
All of your players have length and Chandler compliments LA very well. As long as Chandler doesn't see Hibbert you should be good ;)
Holiday is still growing and all your players were All-Stars. Should be a contender.
You need to look at a defensive minded wing in my opinion. A guy who can make the SuperStar scoring 2s and 3s play as inefficiently as possible.
In all fairness Chandler was never able to get into rhythm because of a neck injury late in the season and the flu either way though Hibbert was a beast. I am looking to get a defensive minded wing so you got everything spot on.
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Also none of the other 3 are no where near Holiday when it comes to being clutch. 8)
Whew, I just finally got off work. I miss the board.
With that said, I heard Lillard was involved in comparisons. Did you say clutch? More clutch than Damian Lillard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKYUlDyXRg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKYUlDyXRg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbtNFgYthBw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbtNFgYthBw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5fcDSZgY7U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5fcDSZgY7U)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-J36iqXONw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-J36iqXONw)
*cough* rookie year *cough*
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Yeah, why not.
Rudy Gay is on the block.
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Nice to see the trading block being used.
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Nice to see the trading block being used.
Lol. TP
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
I am sure some wonder about Lee off the bench but he was too good to pass up at 55 overall. Made the All-Star team, Double Double Machine (led the league). Can spread the floor.
Come on this team is talented and will always have great play around the basket and in the paint.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/warriors/images/lee_allstar2013_jersey_250x250.jpg)
(http://cdn.solecollector.com/media/sneakers/images/zach-randolph-nike-air-max-hyperguard-up-all-star-pe-01.jpg)
(http://p.twimg.com/AlQEROKCMAEUn38.jpg:large)
(http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/JR-Smith-NBA-6th-man-ofthe-year-300x300.png)
as an outsider looking in, i am surprised no one has brought up your team before you posted this. i love this squad. 3 all star calibur bigs and jr smith....with two 4th round picks!!! this is a team people need to take notice. i really like what you have done and look forward to seeing how u fill out the roster.
very well done kane!
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This year is weird. I can't tell if there is more talent, because young guys suddenly look like such decent options, or less talent because the old guard suddenly looks like they can't cut it.
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This year is weird. I can't tell if there is more talent, because young guys suddenly look like such decent options, or less talent because the old guard suddenly looks like they can't cut it.
Less in my opinion. Too many injuries to key players. More superstars aging and falling off then young superstars coming in. But the injuries to so many All-Stars has messed things up.
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as an outsider looking in, i am surprised no one has brought up your team before you posted this. i love this squad. 3 all star calibur bigs and jr smith....with two 4th round picks!!! this is a team people need to take notice. i really like what you have done and look forward to seeing how u fill out the roster.
very well done kane!
Thanks Dark Lord. Tp for the love but also thanks an outsider for taking the time to comment.
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I have three players I really want more than any other player this round, so none of you bums pick them, ya hear!
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Nick, pick 5.14 by the Los Angeles Lakers is incorrectly struck out. We haven't traded the pick yet. Thanks.
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This year is weird. I can't tell if there is more talent, because young guys suddenly look like such decent options, or less talent because the old guard suddenly looks like they can't cut it.
More overall talent but less superstar talent.
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oops, double post. sorry.
I'll remedy it and say.
Damian Lillard/Rudy Gay/Greg Monroe
I think I need some scorers.
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I have three players I really want more than any other player this round, so none of you bums pick them, ya hear!
Sorry, bro. He's mine. I have not selected any player in the third round. I'm not going to let anyone steal my guys in the fourth, and that includes stealing your guy.
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as an outsider looking in, i am surprised no one has brought up your team before you posted this. i love this squad. 3 all star calibur bigs and jr smith....with two 4th round picks!!! this is a team people need to take notice. i really like what you have done and look forward to seeing how u fill out the roster.
very well done kane!
Thanks Dark Lord. Tp for the love but also thanks an outsider for taking the time to comment.
no prob. i always check this out from afar. ur team is the one that really stuck out to me (in a positive way). i love what u got and u have so many options, which is a big advantage.
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shopping gallo
any offers get TP's
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
I am sure some wonder about Lee off the bench but he was too good to pass up at 55 overall. Made the All-Star team, Double Double Machine (led the league). Can spread the floor.
Come on this team is talented and will always have great play around the basket and in the paint.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/warriors/images/lee_allstar2013_jersey_250x250.jpg)
(http://cdn.solecollector.com/media/sneakers/images/zach-randolph-nike-air-max-hyperguard-up-all-star-pe-01.jpg)
(http://p.twimg.com/AlQEROKCMAEUn38.jpg:large)
(http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/JR-Smith-NBA-6th-man-ofthe-year-300x300.png)
I think that you have to trade at least one of them to get a good rotation
you could get some good returns for them
hibbert provides rim protection, but randolph scores and rebounds more
lee scores and rebounds more than both, but he gets more minutes
overall i am very fond of your team
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I think that you have to trade at least one of them to get a good rotation
you could get some good returns for them
hibbert provides rim protection, but randolph scores and rebounds more
lee scores and rebounds more than both, but he gets more minutes
overall i am very fond of your team
Thanks. TP
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I know I should be wheeling and dealing, but I just really like the core of Bosh/ Smith/Parsons/ Hayward.
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I know I should be wheeling and dealing, but I just really like the core of Bosh/ Smith/Parsons/ Hayward.
A PG to push pace would be ideal here. One who has leadership credentials. This team can run, but I can see the halfcourt execution too without question. As long Smith plays closer to the hoop ;)
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Anybody else believe the fourth round is going to carry even value with the third round?
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Anybody else believe the fourth round is going to carry even value with the third round?
I see a run on SGs. BIG TIME!!!
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Anybody else believe the fourth round is going to carry even value with the third round?
I see a run on SGs. BIG TIME!!!
Ha, is that why you reached on Smith? Awful during the playoffs, but still out at the clubs. And with no timetable yet for his return there's a chance he'll miss half the season.
(http://ladyinthemancave.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jr-smith-500x332.jpg)
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No love for Golden State?
Three All-Star Bigs and the reigning 6th man of the Year.
I am sure some wonder about Lee off the bench but he was too good to pass up at 55 overall. Made the All-Star team, Double Double Machine (led the league). Can spread the floor.
Come on this team is talented and will always have great play around the basket and in the paint
J.R Smith aside. I don't understand the front court rotation? All three are real talents, but not one is capable of stretching the floor, meaning any two occupy too much of the same space offensively. Marc Gasol shot 48.5% on the long two last season, your floor spreader, David Lee shot 41.8% - and he was worse between 3' and 16'. He' phenomenal at the rim though, 68.1%!, but then that's where Hibbert and Randolph do their work? (Fun frivolous fact I learned while checking my impressions against the #s. Zach Randolph dunked just 16 times last season. Huh.)
Defensively, Randolph and Hibbert together lack mobility, the ability to cover the three point line, and will suffer in transition. But at least they'll be punishing interior defenders. Lee is just a liability. "The Golden Gate." (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/52811/courtvision-david-lees-interior-defense-a-k-a-the-golden-gate)
And then you've got to pencil in some decline for BOTH Randolph, at 32 he's on the downside, and Lee, he'll be 31 before the playoffs start. ;)
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J.R Smith aside. I don't understand the front court rotation? All three are real talents, but not one is capable of stretching the floor, meaning any two occupy too much of the same space offensively. Marc Gasol shot 48.5% on the long two last season, your floor spreader, David Lee shot 41.8% - and he was worse between 3' and 16'. He' phenomenal at the rim though, 68.1%!, but then that's where Hibbert and Randolph do their work? (Fun frivolous fact I learned while checking my impressions against the #s. Zach Randolph dunked just 16 times last season. Huh.)
Defensively, Randolph and Hibbert together lack mobility, the ability to cover the three point line, and will suffer in transition. But at least they'll be punishing interior defenders. Lee is just a liability. "The Golden Gate." (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/52811/courtvision-david-lees-interior-defense-a-k-a-the-golden-gate)
And then you've got to pencil in some decline for BOTH Randolph, at 32 he's on the downside, and Lee, he'll be 31 before the playoffs start. ;)
Wow, I was under the impression that Lee was a much better mid-range jump shooter.
Anyway, while you're on point with most of your stuff, I disagree that Randolph and Lee will be seeing declines soon, especially with Z-Bo. Neither of them rely on athleticism (like you said, Z-Bo dunked just 16 times on the whole season!) and neither of them have been the most mobile players, either. Both their games will age very well. Look at Duncan, who arguably didn't show sign of decline until he was 34.
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Anyway, while you're on point with most of your stuff, I disagree that Randolph and Lee will be seeing declines soon.
Agree 100%. Sorry, the "decline" bit was a in-joke between me and Kane.
EDIT - Aw, and it would've been funnier if I'd said Randolph was 34 and Lee 33.
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I know I should be wheeling and dealing, but I just really like the core of Bosh/ Smith/Parsons/ Hayward.
I don't know, you got the RuPaul of bigmen and only the second most famous guy named Chandler after this guy:
(http://www.celebrities-with-diseases.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/chandler-bing.jpg)
;D ;)
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
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Good deal for GS. Allows them to move one of his bigs. Things just got a little harder out west.
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Looking to move up into this round, have 5.24 and 6.2 to offer.
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I know I should be wheeling and dealing, but I just really like the core of Bosh/ Smith/Parsons/ Hayward.
I don't know, you got the RuPaul of bigmen and only the second most famous guy named Chandler after this guy:
;D ;)
That's two time champion Ru Paul of Big Men to you.
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
Someone take Yoki's car keys from him.
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Willing to shift around send offers
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
Someone take Yoki's car keys from him.
Meh, I don't really like Gay, so I don't hate the deal for Yoki.
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what time are we starting up?
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
Someone take Yoki's car keys from him.
Meh, I don't really like Gay, so I don't hate the deal for Yoki.
Im in this boat. I hated the pick way more than I hate that trade.
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
Someone take Yoki's car keys from him.
Meh, I don't really like Gay, so I don't hate the deal for Yoki.
Im in this boat. I hated the pick way more than I hate that trade.
Did you hear that guys, IP and I are in a boat.
(http://www.edfeathers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/on-a-boat.jpg)
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Surprised by how many good/starting caliber bigs are left, despite us already having several runs on the 4/5 position.
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We are open for business for today.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are ready to make the first selection of the fourth round. I'm curious of the response I'm going to get.
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Anyway, while you're on point with most of your stuff, I disagree that Randolph and Lee will be seeing declines soon.
Agree 100%. Sorry, the "decline" bit was a in-joke between me and Kane.
EDIT - Aw, and it would've been funnier if I'd said Randolph was 34 and Lee 33.
Lol. Game within a game right? I'll save my ammo for after the draft WW.
Would like to welcome Rudy Gay to GS. Adds some nice talent to an already talented front court.
Say nice things about the warriors now please!
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TRADE
Denver sends: Rudy Gay, 6.4, 8.4
Golden State sends: 4.2, 4.21, 5.5
Someone take Yoki's car keys from him.
Meh, I don't really like Gay, so I don't hate the deal for Yoki.
Im in this boat. I hated the pick way more than I hate that trade.
I agree with Rondo and IP here. I'm not a huge fan of Rudy Gay and even less of a fan of his playing beside ZBo and JR Smith. When Gay played next to ZBo Memphis seemed to have better success when Gay was out of the lineup and they definitely were better in Memphis by replacing him with ___________ ____________. With ZBo, Gay and Smith you start to get that "there's only one ball on the court" type problem.
As for Yoki, 2 4ths and a 5th for what I thought wasn't a great late 2nd rounder, a 6th and 8th is pretty good value, especially given he has 4 picks today and the value tier of players that started in the late first round probably stops somewhere today in this 4th round.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are ready to make the first selection of the fourth round. I'm curious of the response I'm going to get.
Right now the response you are going to get is BOOOOO for making me wait haha.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are ready to make the first selection of the fourth round. I'm curious of the response I'm going to get.
<yawn>
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With the 1st pick of the 4th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select...
DeAndre Jordan
(http://blog.newscom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/deandre-jordan-dunk.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to add DeAndre Jordan to our squad. Much deliberation took place regarding this pick, but given the numerous teams with quality front lines we felt it was essential to protect the paint defensively. DeAndre is one of the most athletic - if not the most - big men in the NBA today. He can run the floor, crash the glass at both ends, score off putbacks and alley-oops at extremely high percentages, and provide excellent rim protection. His free-throw shooting has been often scrutinized, but we are confident that our coaching staff can help him return to his form from 2011-12 when he shot a more acceptable 52.5%. In summation, we feel he brings a positive impact to the team both offensively and defensively. Welcome to the team DeAndre."
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A 4th round pick for a guy that is not trusted to play in the 4th quarter?
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With the 1st pick of the 4th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select...
DeAndre Jordan
(http://blog.newscom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/deandre-jordan-dunk.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to add DeAndre Jordan to our squad. Much deliberation took place regarding this pick, but given the numerous teams with quality front lines we felt it was essential to protect the paint defensively. DeAndre is one of the most athletic - if not the most - big men in the NBA today. He can run the floor, crash the glass at both ends, score off putbacks and alley-oops at extremely high percentages, and provide excellent rim protection. His free-throw shooting has been often scrutinized, but we are confident that our coaching staff can help him return to his form from 2011-12 when he shot a more acceptable 52.5%. In summation, we feel he brings a positive impact to the team both offensively and defensively. Welcome to the team DeAndre."
LOVE it (since it dings your team a little ;D)
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With 4.2, the Mile High City Nuggets select, and Yoki welcomes back the leader of the My Boys club to his side.
Andrew Bogut
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfi4afRvFHs/Udct6QCKARI/AAAAAAAAP3w/hBC4AJepllk/s400/Andrew+Bogut+Dunks+On+Boris+Diaw.jpg)
We need a rim protector, and not only is he one, he's a very vocal defensive anchor, which helps Monroe's lack of defensive awareness.
And he's healthy, this aint last year, when I proved you guys wrong.
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With 4.2, the Mile High City Nuggets select, and Yoki welcomes back the leader of the My Boys club to his side.
Andrew Bogut
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfi4afRvFHs/Udct6QCKARI/AAAAAAAAP3w/hBC4AJepllk/s400/Andrew+Bogut+Dunks+On+Boris+Diaw.jpg)
We need a rim protector, and not only is he one, he's a very vocal defensive anchor, which helps Monroe's lack of defensive awareness.
And he's healthy, this aint last year, when I proved you guys wrong.
Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
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A 4th round pick for a guy that is not trusted to play in the 4th quarter?
Right, but no one dunks over guards more impressively!!!
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With 4.2, the Mile High City Nuggets select, and Yoki welcomes back the leader of the My Boys club to his side.
Andrew Bogut
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfi4afRvFHs/Udct6QCKARI/AAAAAAAAP3w/hBC4AJepllk/s400/Andrew+Bogut+Dunks+On+Boris+Diaw.jpg)
We need a rim protector, and not only is he one, he's a very vocal defensive anchor, which helps Monroe's lack of defensive awareness.
And he's healthy, this aint last year, when I proved you guys wrong.
He played 32 games last year, didnt he prove all of us right?
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Heavily scrutinized picks early.
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Gay is a very very good player and I like him so there! ;D
Seriously though. Memphis was pretty good with him and Zbo together last year and were right at the top of the league and in contender status. After the trade they took a step back but were very fortunate when Westbrook hurt his knee. Gay gave them a dimension no one else on the roster could.
Assuming I stand pat. Jr and lee come off the pine. With five picks in rounds 6-8 I hopefully can round out my top ten guys, and this league is deeeeep at guard, but I have a feeling this team is far from a finished product in regards to its core and its still very early in the process.
Stay tuned.
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
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Gay is a very very good player and I like him so there! ;D
Seriously though. Memphis was pretty good with him and Zbo together last year and were right at the top of the league and in contender status. After the trade they took a step back but were very fortunate when Westbrook hurt his knee. Gay gave them a dimension no one else on the roster could.
Assuming I stand pat. Jr and lee come off the pine. With five picks in rounds 6-8 I hopefully can round out my top ten guys, and this league is deeeeep at guard, but I have a feeling this team is far from a finished product in regards to its core and its still very early in the process.
Stay tuned.
Memphis has been better when one of those two were not there. They just don't help each other.
And there was a difference. They went from losing to the Clippers in the playoffs to beating the Clippers in the playoffs.
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With 4.2, the Mile High City Nuggets select, and Yoki welcomes back the leader of the My Boys club to his side.
Andrew Bogut
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfi4afRvFHs/Udct6QCKARI/AAAAAAAAP3w/hBC4AJepllk/s400/Andrew+Bogut+Dunks+On+Boris+Diaw.jpg)
We need a rim protector, and not only is he one, he's a very vocal defensive anchor, which helps Monroe's lack of defensive awareness.
And he's healthy, this aint last year, when I proved you guys wrong.
Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
Because he's trying to heal the ankle. He was sent back early and had a setback.
He came back out of shape and slow and then picked it up and averaged 12 rebounds, 2 blocks in the Playoffs, the most important games of the year.
We're not talking about a guy who got injured heading into the next year. He's healthy and ready to play this year, completely different scenario.
Haters gonna hate, everyone can use the "injury card" all they want an I'll just show the Playoffs performance. This is a great pick. A top 10 Center in the 4th round? Sign me up.
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Hurry up with them picks cause I said so...
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Gay is a very very good player and I like him so there! ;D
Seriously though. Memphis was pretty good with him and Zbo together last year and were right at the top of the league and in contender status. After the trade they took a step back but were very fortunate when Westbrook hurt his knee. Gay gave them a dimension no one else on the roster could.
Assuming I stand pat. Jr and lee come off the pine. With five picks in rounds 6-8 I hopefully can round out my top ten guys, and this league is deeeeep at guard, but I have a feeling this team is far from a finished product in regards to its core and its still very early in the process.
Stay tuned.
Memphis has been better when one of those two were not there. They just don't help each other.
And there was a difference. They went from losing to the Clippers in the playoffs to beating the Clippers in the playoffs.
Can't forget that griffin was unhealthy this year vs zbo being unhealthy last year. Neither was close to 100% in those series when they had their health issues.
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With 4.2, the Mile High City Nuggets select, and Yoki welcomes back the leader of the My Boys club to his side.
Andrew Bogut
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Lfi4afRvFHs/Udct6QCKARI/AAAAAAAAP3w/hBC4AJepllk/s400/Andrew+Bogut+Dunks+On+Boris+Diaw.jpg)
We need a rim protector, and not only is he one, he's a very vocal defensive anchor, which helps Monroe's lack of defensive awareness.
And he's healthy, this aint last year, when I proved you guys wrong.
Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
Because he's trying to heal the ankle. He was sent back early and had a setback.
He came back out of shape and slow and then picked it up and averaged 12 rebounds, 2 blocks in the Playoffs, the most important games of the year.
We're not talking about a guy who got injured heading into the next year. He's healthy and ready to play this year, completely different scenario.
Haters gonna hate, everyone can use the "injury card" all they want an I'll just show the Playoffs performance. This is a great pick. A top 10 Center in the 4th round? Sign me up.
It is not "haters gonna hate"
It's "breakers gonna break"
And as of know, you drafted a proven breaker.
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
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Gay is a very very good player and I like him so there! ;D
Seriously though. Memphis was pretty good with him and Zbo together last year and were right at the top of the league and in contender status. After the trade they took a step back
After the trade they played their best basketball.
29 - 15 with him .659 win % +3.93 point differential
27 - 11 without him .71 win % +4.39 point differential
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
It's about the history.
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The first two picks of the 4th round are definitely shocking, for me at least.
Anyway, Lakers still looking to trade their 5.14 up into the 4th.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
Kyrie Irving's injury situation is actually a pretty stark contract against Andrew Bogut. The Cavs DIDN'T play him because they wanted to lose, even though he could play. The Warriors played Bogut because they wanted to win, even though he wasn't healthy.
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I had Jordan as a pick in this round, I did not have Bogut as a pick in this round but to be fair this was more of an oversight on my part than an indication of his value. There are a few centers I would pick in front of both though.
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
(http://narwhaler.com/original/js/t/i-see-what-you-did-there-spiderman-jsTQbp.jpg)
:)
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
Well played Yoki and I am sure come playoff time, if those players are in the playoffs, their competition will definitely be bringing those points up.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Yeah, and overlook the other "injury prone" guys in the process.
Bogut IS healthy, after he dealt with that setback from him coming back healthy, slowly but surely he showed what he can bring.
He fits well with Lillard and Monroe as well as he does not have to require a ton of touches, contented to playing defense and plays the high pick and roll very well.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
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i miss not having a pick in this round :(
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
Kyrie Irving's injury situation is actually a pretty stark contract against Andrew Bogut. The Cavs DIDN'T play him because they wanted to lose, even though he could play. The Warriors played Bogut because they wanted to win, even though he wasn't healthy.
Links that Irving was indeed healthy but held out, or it didn't happen...
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
IP I would love to make some type of TP bet based on whether Kanter or Favors will have better numbers next year.
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Gay is a very very good player and I like him so there! ;D
Seriously though. Memphis was pretty good with him and Zbo together last year and were right at the top of the league and in contender status. After the trade they took a step back
After the trade they played their best basketball.
29 - 15 with him .659 win % +3.93 point differential
27 - 11 without him .71 win % +4.39 point differential
I guess I was wrong. Those numbers are pretty one sided.
Yoki you swindled me!!! I'm blowing it up. Pm offers now for all my guys!
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
Salt in an open wound....oh so much fun ;) :D ;D
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
IP I would love to make some type of TP bet based on whether Kanter or Favors will have better numbers next year.
I would prefer to make a TP bet that the Mods will trade Kanter for a better player and better future picks going back to the mod squad.
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
I'll be honest, FWIW the quasi-fact-based debating about completely subjective things we have no control over is my least fav part of CelticsBlog Draft (original recipie).
I almost wish we could use a d10 roll to determine if a "injury prone" guy goes down during the CBD "season" to just answer it once and for all. :-\
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Didn't he miss a large portion of last year?
He played a total of 44 games last year including playoffs, only 1109 minutes total.
Kyrie played 59, Dirk played 53, Wall played 49, Love played 18, Granger played 5 and Rose didn't play at all.
If we're going to use this argument, it better be used against these guys as well.
It's about the history.
History? Bogut had a freak elbow accident and an ankle injury. None recurring. The elbow healed fine and the ankle is "80%" come playoff time according to him. Bogut averages 55 games per season, I admit that's not good. But in the 4th round, and on the fact that he's healthy coming back, after a strong performance against the West Champions?
And since we're talking about injury history, well, D-Wade had some as well. Hate to bring him up again but Kyrie too. KG, Steph Curry, Derrick Rose, Kevin Love is writing one for himself too. Manu Ginobli. There are a ton of others picked ahead of Bogut who has "injury history". If that's the argument in the voting, then it better be the argument against the others, otherwise, it's just hating.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
IP I would love to make some type of TP bet based on whether Kanter or Favors will have better numbers next year.
I would prefer to make a TP bet that the Mods will trade Kanter for a better player and better future picks going back to the mod squad.
Hahah can I get in on this bet please?
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So I've got a meeting that will pretty much push me right up until my 11:10 (CST) pick time. Sorry to anyone that was in a rush.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
fwiw, bogut is a good pick in the 4th round.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
This isn't true, other players have their value discounted by injury all the time.
Bogut's injury history is more severe, more long term, and more recent than most of the other players you bring up.
He only played 1100 minutes (including 12 playoff games which accounts for nearly half that total) this year after playing only 12 games the prior year.
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DeAndre isn't without his flaws, but he has strengths, too.
Pros to DJ: Athletic, healthy, rim protector, rebounder at both ends, shoots 64% from field (product of taking shots close to the rim, dunks, putbacks, alleyoops etc), low foul-rate for big man (3.4 per 36)
Cons to DJ: Free throw shooting, awareness issues at times (young player), no shooting range
The West is loaded with froncourt players and combos and I needed to make sure I had a player to help defend them. My bigs each have their own place on offense, too. They can both run the floor, Ibaka has the shooting range, Jordan can bang down low to establish position for offensive boards, putbacks, or lobs. My team is being built on defense first that leads to transition offense. Having two defensive minded bigs that can run the floor is an important part of that strategy.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
Salt in an open wound....oh so much fun ;) :D ;D
Yup. But that debate against IP was the most fun I've had in this thing ever. Even though I lost. It was a fun challenge and I got a good feel for how this thing works being it was my first draft.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
Two years ago. Summer of 2011 the year before Lebron won his first title. You had Bogut and Amare and Derrick Williams and Harden and Lowry and basically every argument Rondo and I used against your team came true except Harden blew up into a star. And we had the DPOY, the MVP, the Finals MVP, Paul Millsap, Brandon Jennings, Wes Matthews and guys that had good 2nd halves of the season and playoffs like Mike Miller, Gary Neal and Boris Diaw.
Oh well, you lose some, you lose some. It happens
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DeAndre isn't without his flaws, but he has strengths, too.
Pros to DJ: Athletic, healthy, rim protector, rebounder at both ends, shoots 64% from field (product of taking shots close to the rim, dunks, putbacks, alleyoops etc), low foul-rate for big man (3.4 per 36)
Cons to DJ: Free throw shooting, awareness issues at times (young player), no shooting range
The West is loaded with froncourt players and combos and I needed to make sure I had a player to help defend them. My bigs each have their own place on offense, too. They can both run the floor, Ibaka has the shooting range, Jordan can bang down low to establish position for offensive boards, putbacks, or lobs. My team is being built on defense first that leads to transition offense. Having two defensive minded bigs that can run the floor is an important part of that strategy.
I think Deandre Jordan is a fine fit alongside your team, but I'm curious in seeing if anyone else in the entire round even considered this dude.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
This isn't true, other players have their value discounted by injury all the time.
Bogut's injury history is more severe, more long term, and more recent than most of the other players you bring up.
He only played 1100 minutes (including 12 playoff games which accounts for nearly half that total) this year after playing only 12 games the prior year.
its not like he picked bogut early in the draft. this is the 4th round. honestly, there is great quality in that pick, especially when you consider its the 4th round and he still has a few more picks in this round to balance out his roster.
i like the pick yoki
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With 4.3 I'm taking DANNY GREEN.
Not the best SG available, but the only one who shot over .400 in the playoffs.
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
IP I would love to make some type of TP bet based on whether Kanter or Favors will have better numbers next year.
I would prefer to make a TP bet that the Mods will trade Kanter for a better player and better future picks going back to the mod squad.
Hahah can I get in on this bet please?
I'm with rondo on this one. Kanter ain't finishing up this draft in Boston. That team has no interest in team of the future. Nor should they with Irving and gasol. Kanter isnt ready to play big minutes on a contender tho.
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You guys don't understand Enes Kanter. I understand, its a big, bold league out there, and its tough to have a handle on everyone who is playing. Here is what the writers at the SBNation Blog slcDunk have to say about him:
Kanter ... Without Limitations
With Kanter, we have to look at both the Millsap Doctrine and examine any limiting factors ... because he has played only limited minutes thus far.
Well, look at Kanter's shots last season:
At Rim: 184 shots — 65% FG — 40% assisted
3-9 Feet: 92 shots — 45% FG — 56% assisted
10-15 Feet: 50 shots — 40% FG — 85% assisted
16-23 Feet: 52 shots — 46% FG — 88% assisted
That, friends, is one of the most beautiful sets of shot data I have ever seen. He's above average from all areas of the court. At the same time, he takes significantly more shots from the most effective spots. This is one of the big things that hurts players ... taking more shots from lower percentage areas. Kanter has not had that problem at all to date.
Smart players get good at mid-range jumpers to open up opportunities to score at the rim. Less smart players get good at mid-range jumpers so they can jack up a bunch of them. So far, thankfully, Kanter fits the smart scorer profile.
About 50% of his shots are at the rim, about 25% close, and about 25% from the entire 10-23 foot range. Additionally, Kanter focuses his jumper in drive and kick situations (look at the number of assisted shots) rather than jacking up contested jumpers just because. At the same time, you can see that he is fully capable of creating shots for himself on his own ... look at that lower assist percentage in close.
Basically, as long as you have guys who can drive and kick, Kanter's scoring is 100% scalable given bigger minutes and a bigger role. So sit back and smile, because we have Gordon Hayward and Trey Burke on our team.
There are no limiting factors here.
In fact, I think we have a perfect Super Millsap Doctrine candidate (a guy whose production exceeds when given more minutes). Here's why:
Kanter's shooting improved in all areas from his rookie to 2nd season. This fits the profile of a player who does even better in year 3.
Kanter has already generally done well when given more minutes. And because we've watched the Jazz the past two years, we know we don't have to worry so much about the correlation/causation questions.
Trey Burke excels at getting big-men easy layups and dunks down low. He did it in college. He did it today to Gobert. He's going to do it for Kanter this year. He's going to get more shots assisted in the paint, and his FG% there will reap the benefits.
I'll be honest, this last point is a mystery at this point. But there's been a bit of chatter of Kanter going out to the 3-point line. I've seen him hit near half-court shots in warm-ups. He shot 14-25 from three at his pre-draft combine. There's a difference between hitting them in drills and in games, however. A big difference. But let's be honest: if Kanter can give us Memo 3-point shooting, it's over.
Even excluding the final point, it's pretty reasonable to hope that Kanter becomes a monster-scoring big man.
Other Areas
There's more to basketball than just scoring however, even if a guy is scoring 20+ ppg at a 60% True Shooting clip. His rebounding, of course, is good. But his defensive rebounding took a bit of a dip last year, and it will be a huge benefit to see it get back to his rookie rate. But that's small compared to some other areas that he needs to improve if the Jazz are going to be better than a 30-win team.
His turnovers have been very, very high. That has to improve. As does his passing. 1 assist per game (his per-36 minute assist stat last year) is not what the team needs. The good news is that his passing is already showing a major trend of improvement (300% higher last year compared to his rookie year). But there's still a long, LONG way to go. He's going to command double-teams, and he's going to have 3-4 teammates who can spot up effectively. He has to be able to find them.
And I'm curious about his defense. His steals and blocks improved from his rookie year. Hopefully that continues. He has also shown flashes of terrific 1-on-1 defense, against both scrubs and elite players. But it's easier to play great defense for a possession or two. It's a lot harder to do it again and again and again over 35+ minutes every game. It is going to take work to see him continue to be an effective defender.
Summary
Enes Kanter will be one of the most important players on the Utah Jazz this year. Kanter's ability to help the Jazz be as good as possible lay in the following eight key areas:
Maintaining both good shooting percentages AND smart distribution of shot locations
The Trey Burke effect getting assisted close shots
Increase in assists as he finds spot-up shooters and cutters off double-teams
Maintaining his improved steal and block rates
Cutting the turnovers
Maintaining his strong 1-on-1 defense over 35+ minutes vs. 15 minutes
A return to his rookie defensive rebounding rate
The 3-point shot
As many have already said, I'm so excited to see what Enes Kanter turns out to be next year. Very good appears to be his absolute floor.
IP I would love to make some type of TP bet based on whether Kanter or Favors will have better numbers next year.
I would prefer to make a TP bet that the Mods will trade Kanter for a better player and better future picks going back to the mod squad.
Hahah can I get in on this bet please?
I'm with rondo on this one. Kanter ain't finishing up this draft in Boston. That team has no interest in team of the future. Nor should they with Irving and gasol. Kanter isnt ready to play big minutes on a contender tho.
In that case, don't be fooled by the snake oil salesman of the Mod squad, they are trying to trick you.
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With 4.3 I'm taking DANNY GREEN.
Not the best SG available, but the only one who shot over .400 in the playoffs.
Ronaldo's love with Danny doesn't end in the DKC timeline
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With 4.3 I'm taking DANNY GREEN.
Not the best SG available, but the only one who shot over .400 in the playoffs.
He was definitely the BGA..Best Green Available.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
Then you ought to convince people. Saying its not fair isn't gonna make any stroke their beard thoughtfully and say, "Well shucks, I guess I have been judging Andrew Bogut unfairly." You've gotta come up with compelling evidence (or, in lieu of that, compelling argument) that this year will be different than 5 of the last 6 years in which injuries have derailed Andrew Bogut's season.
Its not easy, but look up stuff, look for interviews, get a good bench. It can be done, probably.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
This isn't true, other players have their value discounted by injury all the time.
Bogut's injury history is more severe, more long term, and more recent than most of the other players you bring up.
He only played 1100 minutes (including 12 playoff games which accounts for nearly half that total) this year after playing only 12 games the prior year.
its not like he picked bogut early in the draft. this is the 4th round. honestly, there is great quality in that pick, especially when you consider its the 4th round and he still has a few more picks in this round to balance out his roster.
i like the pick yoki
If granger can go in the third then I can see bogut as a fourth honestly. ;)
Is bogut 32? Or 31? :) ( inside joke meant for walker wiggles pleasure)
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
This isn't true, other players have their value discounted by injury all the time.
Bogut's injury history is more severe, more long term, and more recent than most of the other players you bring up.
He only played 1100 minutes (including 12 playoff games which accounts for nearly half that total) this year after playing only 12 games the prior year.
How about picked in the 4th round, that's pretty good value.
More severe? The elbow is fine, did not see anything wrong with it.
The ankle is "80%" and he has the entire offseason to heal it more. And he played great and monstrous at 80% ankle.
I'm not worried about Bogut long term. He's healthy coming into the season.
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Wow. Very surprised to see Bogut make it to round 4. Nice pick up there.
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DeAndre isn't without his flaws, but he has strengths, too.
Pros to DJ: Athletic, healthy, rim protector, rebounder at both ends, shoots 64% from field (product of taking shots close to the rim, dunks, putbacks, alleyoops etc), low foul-rate for big man (3.4 per 36)
Cons to DJ: Free throw shooting, awareness issues at times (young player), no shooting range
The West is loaded with froncourt players and combos and I needed to make sure I had a player to help defend them. My bigs each have their own place on offense, too. They can both run the floor, Ibaka has the shooting range, Jordan can bang down low to establish position for offensive boards, putbacks, or lobs. My team is being built on defense first that leads to transition offense. Having two defensive minded bigs that can run the floor is an important part of that strategy.
I think Deandre Jordan is a fine fit alongside your team, but I'm curious in seeing if anyone else in the entire round even considered this dude.
I don't disagree that it was early to take him, but I couldn't find any trade offers I liked. Also, there are a lot of teams in the East who need big men and he was one of the better ones left available. My next pick isn't until 5.10 so thats 35 picks that would have to pass before I'd have a chance again. I didn't want to miss out on him because I have to contend with all these front courts defensively.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
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DeAndre isn't without his flaws, but he has strengths, too.
Pros to DJ: Athletic, healthy, rim protector, rebounder at both ends, shoots 64% from field (product of taking shots close to the rim, dunks, putbacks, alleyoops etc), low foul-rate for big man (3.4 per 36)
Cons to DJ: Free throw shooting, awareness issues at times (young player), no shooting range
The West is loaded with froncourt players and combos and I needed to make sure I had a player to help defend them. My bigs each have their own place on offense, too. They can both run the floor, Ibaka has the shooting range, Jordan can bang down low to establish position for offensive boards, putbacks, or lobs. My team is being built on defense first that leads to transition offense. Having two defensive minded bigs that can run the floor is an important part of that strategy.
I think Deandre Jordan is a fine fit alongside your team, but I'm curious in seeing if anyone else in the entire round even considered this dude.
I don't disagree that it was early to take him, but I couldn't find any trade offers I liked. Also, there are a lot of teams in the East who need big men and he was one of the better ones left available. My next pick isn't until 5.10 so thats 35 picks that would have to pass before I'd have a chance again. I didn't want to miss out on him because I have to contend with all these front courts defensively.
I'm shocked that you didn't go the same route as the real life Heat. Get journeyman big men next to your star one and have LBJ play PF with shooting.
Its been a proven winning formula two years running now IRL.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
They list him at SG? Weird, he was SF/PF for the Nuggets.
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Like the chandler pick very strong finisher good shooter.
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The problem with Bogut is that big men with multiple injury problems tend to break down harder and faster than guards or wings. It might not be fair to bigs who buck the trend, but people tend to expect the worst because of what they've seen happen to other big men.
I'd look for historical examples of big guys who got hurt and were able to stay relatively healthy afterward. Remember this exercise basically boils down to a popularity contest; think about how you can make starting Bogut more popular.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
Like this pick
I was fond of him heading into today
He would be a real big bullying sg
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
Then you ought to convince people. Saying its not fair isn't gonna make any stroke their beard thoughtfully and say, "Well shucks, I guess I have been judging Andrew Bogut unfairly." You've gotta come up with compelling evidence (or, in lieu of that, compelling argument) that this year will be different than 5 of the last 6 years in which injuries have derailed Andrew Bogut's season.
Its not easy, but look up stuff, look for interviews, get a good bench. It can be done, probably.
How about what he did in his 44 games last season? That's on an 80% ankle. He protected the paint, which is good at and what he was brought in the Bay to do.
Let's not act like he just got injured again and will miss some more time leading to next year. He's already fine on the most intense games in the season, and held his own perfectly while also dominating on the boards.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
I like this pick. The guy can score, no doubt. Completely forgot about him.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
Like this pick
I was fond of him heading into today
I like chandler but he's another guy with some fairly significant injury history. If he had a spot free health record, he would of been gone much earlier.
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Regarding the Bogut pick. If healthy, Bogut is a gamechanger. Even though he was injured in the playoffs last year, his presence in the paint alone disrupted a lot of drives for the opposing team.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
They list him at SG? Weird, he was SF/PF for the Nuggets.
IKR.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3194/wilson-chandler (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3194/wilson-chandler)
6'8" 225 Shooting Guard (46% FG, 41% 3PT)
I think he's one of those guys who can play both wing position. I never believed he belong at PF but the Nuggets insisted that small ball would be the way to go.
It worked, until Bogut killed them.
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I see both sides on bougut. Definitely when healthy he is one of the better 5s in the league. On the flip side he does tend to get hurt often. Gonna be a tough sell.
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I don't like Jordan for where he was picked, but between Lebron, Serge and Jordan thats going to be one heck of a "Block Party"
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
Like this pick
I was fond of him heading into today
I like chandler but he's another guy with some fairly significant injury history. If he had a spot free health record, he would of been gone much earlier.
4th round BG. Got him in the 4th round. I think that's tremendous value for a guy who has star quality talent.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
Chandler can play 3 separate positions and is a great offensive player. Solid pick.
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I think Bogut is the first of a bunch of players that might be selected this round that have mid 2nd round or higher talent if healthy but never seem to be healthy. If Bogut is healthy, and he appeared to be making strides towards that end at the end of last year, its a great pick. Problem is come voting time, all one will here is "Bogut is made of glass" and you have to overcome that. Yoki seemed to do okay with Bogut on his DKC team. In this exercise, we will see how well Bogut get received.
Just look up IPs arguments from two years ago Yoki.
3 years wasn't it?
Basically look at 2010. Andrew Bogut was an elite franchise level player in 2010.
I'm good with Bogut.
The only thing I'm asking here is consistency. If we're going to attack Bogut's injury history HARD, then we attack the others who had the same if not had worse injury histories than him.
It seems that Bogut is the only one who's not getting the "glass half full" treatment here when it comes to injured prone players, and that has to change.
Then you ought to convince people. Saying its not fair isn't gonna make any stroke their beard thoughtfully and say, "Well shucks, I guess I have been judging Andrew Bogut unfairly." You've gotta come up with compelling evidence (or, in lieu of that, compelling argument) that this year will be different than 5 of the last 6 years in which injuries have derailed Andrew Bogut's season.
Its not easy, but look up stuff, look for interviews, get a good bench. It can be done, probably.
Or just remind IP that he didn't need interviews, positive rumors, or a deep bench to vote for Greg Oden attempting his SECOND comeback. Games within games.
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With pick 4.4, the Mile High City Nuggets selects.
Wilson Chandler
Can score, can defend, can run in transition, very underrated.
Interesting that he is listed at SG on ESPN.com, I think I like him as a very big SG.
Like this pick
I was fond of him heading into today
I like chandler but he's another guy with some fairly significant injury history. If he had a spot free health record, he would of been gone much earlier.
4th round BG. Got him in the 4th round. I think that's tremendous value for a guy who has star quality talent.
Yeah wasn't trying to knock the pick, like I said, he would of gone earlier had his health been perfect. Good value at this point.
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5th and 6th available for a 4th.
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DeAndre isn't without his flaws, but he has strengths, too.
Pros to DJ: Athletic, healthy, rim protector, rebounder at both ends, shoots 64% from field (product of taking shots close to the rim, dunks, putbacks, alleyoops etc), low foul-rate for big man (3.4 per 36)
Cons to DJ: Free throw shooting, awareness issues at times (young player), no shooting range
The West is loaded with froncourt players and combos and I needed to make sure I had a player to help defend them. My bigs each have their own place on offense, too. They can both run the floor, Ibaka has the shooting range, Jordan can bang down low to establish position for offensive boards, putbacks, or lobs. My team is being built on defense first that leads to transition offense. Having two defensive minded bigs that can run the floor is an important part of that strategy.
I think Deandre Jordan is a fine fit alongside your team, but I'm curious in seeing if anyone else in the entire round even considered this dude.
I don't disagree that it was early to take him, but I couldn't find any trade offers I liked. Also, there are a lot of teams in the East who need big men and he was one of the better ones left available. My next pick isn't until 5.10 so thats 35 picks that would have to pass before I'd have a chance again. I didn't want to miss out on him because I have to contend with all these front courts defensively.
I'm shocked that you didn't go the same route as the real life Heat. Get journeyman big men next to your star one and have LBJ play PF with shooting.
Its been a proven winning formula two years running now IRL.
I considered it, but have you seen the Western Conference frontcourts?
Gasol/Nowitzki, Duncan/West, Randolph/Hibbert/Lee, Jefferson/Gortat, Monroe/Bogut, Howard, Love, Griffin, Pekovic.
I don't mind LBJ defending the 4 in some of those matchups in which case Ibaka is my 5. But some of these players are behemoths and it forced me to change my strategy to ensure I wouldn't get overmatched down low. I just tried to pick big men that could complement LeBron and eachother well - and I think I did that.
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
Wouldn't consider him great by any means, but he's certainly above average. Great help defender, knows how to use his athleticism to protect the rim, and he's pretty quick on his feet. The only drawbacks are that he's still improving on reducing contact, and he still needs to learn how to apply his strength better to solidify his positioning.
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
I have found him to be a below average man defender in the paint and a horrific pick and roll defender. His blocks seemingly come from a lot of weak side helping down low. He is a very good defensive rebounder though.
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
No I don't think he is. He's a good rebounder, but a bad overall defender.
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I just want to remind everyone that I got him in the 4th round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=781N_Pd6oWo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=781N_Pd6oWo)
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Yoki doing work today, man.
You go Yoki!!!!
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
No I don't think he is. He's a good rebounder, but a bad overall defender.
So as of now I agree that he isn't a great defender, but I think he has the potential to be a great one. I think having a coach who knows something about basketball might really help him this year.
Hopefully the Rondo Show gets here in the next two minutes
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i have the picks for fitz, riah and Champ. They will come all back to back to back so I will give The Rondo Show some time before submitting them.
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i have the picks for fitz, riah and Champ. They will come all back to back to back so I will give The Rondo Show some time before submitting them.
None of their list better include names that are on my list.
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Is DeAndre Jordan considered a good defender overall? Not a leading question, I really haven't seen enough to say.
No I don't think he is. He's a good rebounder, but a bad overall defender.
So as of now I agree that he isn't a great defender, but I think he has the potential to be a great one. I think having a coach who knows something about basketball might really help him this year.
Hopefully the Rondo Show gets here in the next two minutes
Oh yeah he has a ton of potential. His bad habits are all that's holding him back from being a + defender, even if he doesn't ever grasp the spacing and movement necessary for elite defensive work.
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fitz is here so you can make your own pick anytime fitz
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That's on "80%" ankle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz8HDMhuc9I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz8HDMhuc9I)
Gee, isnt the offseason where you heal your injuries? Your injuries that are already healing to begin with?
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OKC takes Iman Shumpert
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OKC takes Iman Shumpert
Shump-Shump! Love the guy, but I can't help but wonder if you could've nabbed him later.
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OKC takes Iman Shumpert
Shump-Shump! Love the guy, but I can't help but wonder if you could've nabbed him later.
You act like talking in the third person isn't a quantifiable basketball skill. No way would he last the round.
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OKC takes Iman Shumpert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNIX0b5Pai4
In all seriousness though, this pick seems wayyyyyyy too premature. He is not a 4th rounder IMO.
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With the 6th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
JONAS VALANCIUNAS
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I don't think he's bad. I'd say average. Anyways - basketball isn't a bunch of one-on-one isolation plays so its not like a player can be singled out THAT often. Sure, you can be beaten off the dribble or targeted in pick-and-roll situations, but it is about team defense.
If Jordan gets beat - Ibaka will be there for weak side help defense. Same for Ibaka. I love how I draft two athletic defensive minded bigs who averaged about 6 blocks a game between them and they are being called below average/bad defenders.
Nowitzki, Lee, and Jefferson are bad defenders.
Is Jordan better than them defensively? Without hesitation I would say yes. So at worst he is below average - haha. But I think he is better than that.
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^LOL he's actually not bad.
(talking about Shump's rapping)
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Oops didn't see nick had already posted it
Disregard this post
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Not much later had him at 4.16 for me.
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With the 7th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
ANDREW BYNUM
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OKC takes Iman Shumpert
Shump-Shump! Love the guy, but I can't help but wonder if you could've nabbed him later.
Unlikely, I know of a poster who was considering him in this round in addition to me.
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With the 6th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
JONAS VALANCIUNAS
About dang time. I was surprised to see Kanter go so early, only for Val and [REDACTED] to continue falling way later.
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With the 7th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
ANDREW BYNUM
Talk about injuries.
And you guys are riding on Bogut's ankles when this guys knees are degenerating like an old man with arthritis.
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We were considering Shump in this round too.
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Nowitzki, Lee, and Jefferson are bad defenders.
Nowitzki's #61 overall Synergy rating says hello.
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With the 8th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Atlanta hawks select:
NENE HILARIO
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Took Shumpert to really solidify my first team's defense. He's extremely athletic and has developed a very nice 3 pt shot. He's only going to get better, and I think he'll benefit a lot from Rubio's PG play in both transition and the half court.
OKC takes Iman Shumpert
Shump-Shump! Love the guy, but I can't help but wonder if you could've nabbed him later.
Nice
Unlikely, I know of a poster who was considering him in this round in addition to me.
Sweet lol
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With the 7th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
ANDREW BYNUM
Even though I hate him...Great pick. I was wondering how long he would stick around.
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Nowitzki, Lee, and Jefferson are bad defenders.
Nowitzki's #61 overall Synergy rating says hello.
You're gonna ruin synergy rankings for the rest of us if you keep doing that.
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I was really considering Wilson Chandler with 4.3, but he just has such a bad playoff and since I'm trying to contend I know the claws will come out once CB playoffs start and people are just going to try to attack you anyway they can.
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Will quickly take offers to move back in the 4th.
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I was really considering Wilson Chandler with 4.3, but he just has such a bad playoff and since I'm trying to contend I know the claws will come out once CB playoffs start and people are just going to try to attack you anyway they can.
I would've avoided him with the pick just because people don't really seem to like him much.
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Shocked Nene lasted this long. Excellent pickup.
Would've have loved to have seen him a couple of different spots. I thought Nene would've been great alongside LeBron and Ibaka.
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With the 7th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
ANDREW BYNUM
Even though I hate him...Great pick. I was wondering how long he would stick around.
About as long as he sticks to the bench with injuries.
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With the 8th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Atlanta hawks select:
NENE HILARIO
AW SHUCKY DUCKY QUACK QUACK!
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Happy with the JV pick
Big guy with a decent midrange game, rebounds at a pretty good rate
Has gained 25 lbs of muscle, so he isn't a skinny kid anymore
He's a legit bruiser with a decent midrange game
:) like my pick
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Nowitzki, Lee, and Jefferson are bad defenders.
Nowitzki's #61 overall Synergy rating says hello.
You're gonna ruin synergy rankings for the rest of us if you keep doing that.
I seriously disagree that Dirk is a "bad" defender. He really turned it around after Dallas brought in Tyson as his frontcourt mate, and his improvement in D was a big help towards them winning the title in 2011.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4677951/theres-now-a-capital-d-in-dirk-nowitzki
I'm confident Dirk won't be a defensive liability whatsoever, especially playing alongside Marc Gasol.
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Happy with the JV pick
Big guy with a decent midrange game, rebounds at a pretty good rate
Has gained 25 lbs of muscle, so he isn't a skinny kid anymore
He's a legit bruiser with a decent midrange game
:) like my pick
JV is slowly having a Dwight Howard impact IMO. He's become more imposing and still has a ton of room to grow. Excellent pick.
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I'll offer 5.10/6.16 to get back into this round if anyone is interested.
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Happy with the JV pick
Big guy with a decent midrange game, rebounds at a pretty good rate
Has gained 25 lbs of muscle, so he isn't a skinny kid anymore
He's a legit bruiser with a decent midrange game
:) like my pick
Definitely applaud you for the pick. JV's game is very similar to the Gasol brothers, and we all know how those two fared in the league.
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Wanna pick already :P
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Got back in time for my pick...but I see Nick already made it. Thanks.
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Nice pick. And disregard my pm lol
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Solid pick
Dude has tonnes of potential
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Love it
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Oh very nice. The Black Falcon.
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Love it
And with each pick the names on my list just keep getting crossed out into a world of painful disappearance.
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
Every pick is premature to you, rondo.
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Love it
And with each pick the names on my list just keep getting crossed out into a world of painful disappearance.
That was quite poetic
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
Every pick is premature to you, rondo.
I'll have you know that I thought Big Val was a steal!
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With the 7th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
ANDREW BYNUM
Even though I hate him...Great pick. I was wondering how long he would stick around.
About as long as he sticks to the bench with injuries.
Yeah after last year. I have no idea what to think about this guy anymore. Philly didnt even try to keep him and to only get 6 mill guaranteed says a lot. For a guy who was an all star to basically not have anyone wanting to invest in him says a lot. I feel he's more oden then bogut and his body has just run out of gas.
I mean i think a contender offering full mle with player options could've gotten him if they wanted.
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Come on nets. ;D
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
Every pick is premature to you, rondo.
I'll have you know that I thought Big Val was a steal!
Haha, yeah I was surprised he lasted until the 4th round.
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I think real life Golden State becomes the 2nd team with all 5 of their starters selected and all within the top 84 picks. Pretty impressive. I think the real life Nets were the first.
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
Every pick is premature to you, rondo.
I'll have you know that I thought Big Val was a steal!
Yeah! Go JV
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Shocked Nene lasted this long. Excellent pickup.
Would've have loved to have seen him a couple of different spots. I thought Nene would've been great alongside LeBron and Ibaka.
I think his foot issues last year and the subsequent rough season (and playing for the Wizards) dropped him off some radars. Still, good pick and roll defender, tough in the paint, a good complement inside. I like him a lot.
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Nowitzki, Lee, and Jefferson are bad defenders.
Nowitzki's #61 overall Synergy rating says hello.
You're gonna ruin synergy rankings for the rest of us if you keep doing that.
I seriously disagree that Dirk is a "bad" defender. He really turned it around after Dallas brought in Tyson as his frontcourt mate, and his improvement in D was a big help towards them winning the title in 2011.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4677951/theres-now-a-capital-d-in-dirk-nowitzki
I'm confident Dirk won't be a defensive liability whatsoever, especially playing alongside Marc Gasol.
I wasn't insulting your frontcourt at all...I hope it didn't come across that way. I actually like that pairing immensely and would really like to see them play together in real life.
My point (since Jordan's defensive abilities were in question) was that Dirk was a bad individual defender in my opinion. I think he has slow defensive feet and has never been a shot alterer/blocker. He does however have a great IQ.
The fact that his defensive metrics (depending on how much stock you put in them) are better when he has an elite defensive center like Chandler (or Gasol) behind him seems obvious. I don't think his metrics rating makes him a better defender, I just think it means he has help.
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
Every pick is premature to you, rondo.
I'll have you know that I thought Big Val was a steal!
Haha, yeah I was surprised he lasted until the 4th round.
Yep. And there's plenty of names that I'm still surprised aren't called yet. So not every pick is premature to me ;)
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I wasn't insulting your frontcourt at all...I hope it didn't come across that way. I actually like that pairing immensely and would really like to see them play together in real life.
My point (since Jordan's defensive abilities were in question) was that Dirk was a bad individual defender in my opinion. I think he has slow defensive feet and has never been a shot alterer/blocker. He does however have a great IQ.
The fact that his defensive metrics (depending on how much stock you put in them) are better when he has an elite defensive center like Chandler (or Gasol) behind him seems obvious. I don't think his metrics rating makes him a better defender, I just think it means he has help.
Oh, no offense taken! I knew you didn't mean any harm. There's been a lot of chatter about Dirk being a defensive liability though, so I felt that it was time to address it.
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With the lack of Depth (in my opinion) at the 3 position the 76ers are going with Harrison Barnes
Love it
And with each pick the names on my list just keep getting crossed out into a world of painful disappearance.
That was quite poetic
Its the musician in me.
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Have the nets picked? Sorry I'm on my phone at work
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Have the nets picked? Sorry I'm on my phone at work
Nope. Have until 12:30
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Initially I would say Barnes seems a bit premature at this stage in the draft, but considering the rest of Evan's roster, that's a solid pick. 76ers looking like a very solid competitor for TOTF.
I have never will nor I ever go for the team of the future, if I don't get voted into the playoffs my goal is always to have players I can point to as being extremely undervalued one the actual season started.
For example, last year I had Damian Lillard and Paul George.
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Still looking to move into the 4th if anyone wants to trade down. Offering 5.10/6.16
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I think real life Golden State becomes the 2nd team with all 5 of their starters selected and all within the top 84 picks. Pretty impressive. I think the real life Nets were the first.
Real life Chicago Bulls as well. Rose-butler-deng-boozer-noah
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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Nets making me sweat.
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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champkind is the greatest.
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Time up for the Nets!
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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May I pick now?
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May I pick now?
No. You have to wait until 1240 for the Lakers to pick, and then you can go after.
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Funny seriously can I go?
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Funny seriously can I go?
Yes. Go. You have 5 minutes before youre skipped.
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Funny seriously can I go?
If the previous pick's time ended at 12:30, ya.
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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Yoki, you and I are about to turn this whole thread into a browser-crashing, Daniel-Bryan gif-off, and through those actions annoy every potential voter in this thread. Are you sure you want to go through with this?
Frankly, I'm okay with it:
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Ok with the 11th pick in the 4th round the L.A. Clippers select Nikola Vucevic
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Ok with the 11th pick in the 4th round the L.A. Clippers select Nikola Vucevic
With the 6th pick of the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Dallas Mavericks select:
JONAS VALANCIUNAS
About dang time. I was surprised to see Kanter go so early, only for Val and [REDACTED] to continue falling way later.
And the Vooch gets picked! For those who are counting (BigAl), that's another steal in my eyes!
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Clippers are starting to fill the gaps!
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Man, Vuc fell.
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Ok with the 11th pick in the 4th round the L.A. Clippers select Nikola Vucevic
Very nice. Lots of rebounds with him and Blake in the frontcourt, although they might step on each other's toes a bit.
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Whoever picked Nene is getting coal in their stocking this year.
He was my pick. Would have been perfect next to Anderson and George.
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Yoki, you and I are about to turn this whole thread into a browser-crashing, Daniel-Bryan gif-off, and through those actions annoy every potential voter in this thread. Are you sure you want to go through with this?
Frankly, I'm okay with it:
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Sadly im on my phono now so, you win.
With that said, to hell with Triple H and Orton.
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Ok with the 11th pick in the 4th round the L.A. Clippers select Nikola Vucevic
Very nice. Lots of rebounds with him and Blake in the frontcourt, although they might step on each other's toes a bit.
Jump-shooting center to go along with D-Rose and B-Griffin.
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
haha
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(Disregard the idiots part)
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
TOTF? They are a playoff team. Their future is NOW!
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
No way. The Pistons are front runners right now with Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, and Bradley Beal. The Sixers with Curry, Favors, Cousins, and Barnes also.
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
While we have a bright future we think we have made moves to be very competitive in a strong western conference with the star power of Rose and Blake we can make noise. Add double double Nikola and more pieces and we start making a lot of noise.
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Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
???
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Wesley Matthews.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Wesley Matthews.
There goes my shot at having the same guy in Pick 2, the DKC, and CB Draft in the same year.
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With that, we are at lunch and once again the heads of state in Boston can convene and have until 1:30 to make their decision. I have KGK's pick ready to go for after the break
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We like that Nikola can step away and knock down the 15-18 footer. And open things up for rose and blake.
Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
While we have a bright future we think we have made moves to be very competitive in a strong western conference with the star power of Rose and Blake we can make noise. Add double double Nikola and more pieces and we start making a lot of noise.
Well said!
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Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
???
He has Vucevic, Griffin, and Derrick Rose. All of them are still young and I'd assume under 24. (Don't want to check) I think they will make playoffs, but don't see them as contenders (which could change if they get some vets) so I don't see why that face, if you don't like what I have to say then just ignore it. Thanks.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Wesley Matthews.
There goes my shot at having the same guy in Pick 2, the DKC, and CB Draft in the same year.
Sorry buddy! The Lakers just couldn't pass up Matthews. Considering Klay Thompson was drafted nearly a round and a half ahead of Wes, we think we got very solid value ;D
With that said, I'll be out for the next hour and a half. I should be back by our next pick unless traffic is real bad (with LA, you never know). In the meantime, if you have any trade offers, send them to my awesome co-GM BleedGreen1989.
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Nice pick you are probably #1 for TOTF.
???
He has Vucevic, Griffin, and Derrick Rose. All of them are still young and I'd assume under 24. (Don't want to check) I think they will make playoffs, but don't see them as contenders so I don't see why that face, if you don't like what I have to say then just ignore it. Thanks.
Hahahaha. "Thanks." You're awesome, ron.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Wesley Matthews.
WHY!?
WHY!?
WHY!?
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
It is easier to stat hang on a bad team then be a starter on the team in the finals.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
It is easier to stat hang on a bad team then be a starter on the team in the finals.
Yup, if there were a player in this round I would have overpaid for to trade up and grab it would be Splitter. Solid overall player great pedigree, legit size, not many question marks. Jordan has the knucklehead factor, Bogut has the injuries, and Vucevic and JV have the "how would the play for a contender" issue.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
It is easier to stat hang on a bad team then be a starter on the team in the finals.
It's also easier when you have Duncan showing you than having the same production Splitter had on JV's rookie year.
Im not knocking the pick, I'm just disagreeing on Rondo's notion of he should have been the 1st big.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
Like I told you, they will trade Kanter for a better player and better picks.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
It is easier to stat hang on a bad team then be a starter on the team in the finals.
It's also easier when you have Duncan showing you than having the same production Splitter had on JV's rookie year.
Im not knocking the pick, I'm just disagreeing on Rondo's notion of he should have been the 1st big.
He has already learned from Duncan.
Now he is going to play with two other big men in Gasol (more vet experience and championship history) and Kanter (everyone saw IP's report)
Boston is going to own the inside.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
Like I told you, they will trade Kanter for a better player and better picks.
I'm afraid that they will be able to trade Kanter for an even better player. Knowing IP firsthand, it's possible.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
Well the numbers would indicate you're incorrect in everything but the last 2 sentences.
JV is way younger, and has a burgeoning midrange game, but Splitter is a better finisher, better pick and roll partner, better defender, better rebounder, scores more, scores more efficiently, and had playoff experience.
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I don't understand the love for Splitter, honestly.
He averaged 6 pts and 3 rebounds in the playoffs. And he blocks less than one shot per game. What is so good about him?
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
Like I told you, they will trade Kanter for a better player and better picks.
I'm afraid that they will be able to trade Kanter for an even better player. Knowing IP firsthand, it's possible.
I agree with both of you. That was a joke by the way before anyone writes an essay about Gasol not being able to play SF etc.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
Well the numbers would indicate you're incorrect in everything but the last 2 sentences.
JV is way younger, and has a burgeoning midrange game, but Splitter is a better finisher, better pick and roll partner, better defender, better rebounder, scores more, scores more efficiently, and had playoff experience.
Scores more on average 2 points and better FG% by 2%. Okay. 2% is such a huge difference. But since we're there, JV TS% is better by a point.
Rebounding is pretty much the same at 6 a game (okay Splitter wins by .4). JV blocks more shots, Splitter gets more steals.
I guess Splitter, is by decimal points, better than JV, but he had some help along the way.
JV posted close to similar (i stand corrected) production playing in a Raptors team where on his rookie year he had to anchor the defense.
Again, I think it's a great pick, by no means I'm saying it's a terrible selection. I'm just disagreeing that he should be the 1st big to be selected in this round, because I'm quite certain people would take JV, maybe Nene over him.
I'd tell you this, I'd take him over DeAndre though.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
Like I told you, they will trade Kanter for a better player and better picks.
I'm afraid that they will be able to trade Kanter for an even better player. Knowing IP firsthand, it's possible.
You should check your memory sir.
Bulls Send: Kyrie Irving, pick used on Jeremy Lin, pick used on Harrison Barnes
Cavs Send: Tyson Chandler, pick used on Derrick Rose, pick used on Shane Battier
Chicago Bulls send: Jeremy Lin (I got him back), Kenneth Faried
Cleveland Cavs send: Jrue Holiday, Thad Young
Those are the two trades I pulled with you last year. The first one, if you'd kept Irving and the picks, is a hands-down slaughter of a win for you. The second one is pretty even, depending on how you see Faried, but I'd say I won that one by a slight edge.
People keep on throwing out the, 'knowing indeedproceed the trades will blah blah fart noises blah blah' but let's take a look at the other trade that people think was 'soooooo lopsided omg!!'
Sixers send: Pierce, pick used on Meka Okafor (6.4), pick used on Jeremy Lamb (12.9)
Bulls send: Pekovic, Dudley, pick used on Shannon Brown (8.20)
Which side of that deal would you want now? In his prime Pekovic and useful Dudley or Pierce, Meka, and never-saw-the-floor Lamb?
You guys kill me with the 'IPs trades are so unever'. I go after guys who have value, I trade them for guys (or the opportunity to draft guys) I value more. But I'm never trading crap for gold, cuz I never end up with crap in the first place.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
Nonsense. The league is deep in swing men. We still have another 4th rounder to go.
But talented size, that's quickly disappearing.
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With the 14th pick in the 4th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
J.J. REDICK
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Ya gotta be kidding me.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
I like it.
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Enes Kanter
C: Tiago Splitter
When having twin towers just isn't enough. 8) 8)
Like I told you, they will trade Kanter for a better player and better picks.
I'm afraid that they will be able to trade Kanter for an even better player. Knowing IP firsthand, it's possible.
You should check your memory sir.
Bulls Send: Kyrie Irving, pick used on Jeremy Lin, pick used on Harrison Barnes
Cavs Send: Tyson Chandler, pick used on Derrick Rose, pick used on Shane Battier
Chicago Bulls send: Jeremy Lin (I got him back), Kenneth Faried
Cleveland Cavs send: Jrue Holiday, Thad Young
Those are the two trades I pulled with you last year. The first one, if you'd kept Irving and the picks, is a hands-down slaughter of a win for you. The second one is pretty even, depending on how you see Faried, but I'd say I won that one by a slight edge.
People keep on throwing out the, 'knowing indeedproceed the trades will blah blah fart noises blah blah' but let's take a look at the other trade that people think was 'soooooo lopsided omg!!'
Sixers send: Pierce, pick used on Meka Okafor (6.4), pick used on Jeremy Lamb (12.9)
Bulls send: Pekovic, Dudley, pick used on Shannon Brown (8.20)
Which side of that deal would you want now? In his prime Pekovic and useful Dudley or Pierce, Meka, and never-saw-the-floor Lamb?
You guys kill me with the 'IPs trades are so unever'. I go after guys who have value, I trade them for guys (or the opportunity to draft guys) I value more. But I'm never trading crap for gold, cuz I never end up with crap in the first place.
You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
Nonsense. The league is deep in swing men. We still have another 4th rounder to go.
But talented size, that's quickly disappearing.
Okay...no problem, its nonsense. Obviously you decided to draft your backup center a round before your starting center. Disregard what I said, Boston is keeping Kanter.
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Sorry on my phone. Spurs select
JaVale McGee
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
Nonsense. The league is deep in swing men. We still have another 4th rounder to go.
But talented size, that's quickly disappearing.
Okay...no problem, its nonsense. Obviously you decided to draft your backup center a round before your starting center. Disregard what I said, Boston is keeping Kanter.
Who said Kanter is the backup?
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
I think you keep the three of them together. Tough physical trio. Very hard to matchup against. A 7-0 250lb Pau Gasol, a 6-11 270lb Enes Kanter, a 6-11 250lb Tiago Splitter. Not many teams have the bodies, skilled size with heft, to matchup effectively against those trio. Can all play effectively alongside one another. I say keep them together.
The team already has a top creator on the perimeter already in Kyrie Irving. So they don't need major (star talent) reinforcements on the perimeter. A couple of role player wings would finish off that perfectly. A strong backup guard perhaps.
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With the 16th pick the L.A. Clippers select Aaron Afflalo
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Well, someone on this team is headed out of town sooner or later. My guess based on the multi-paragraphed hype article from a Utah Jazz blog, is that its Kanter. Question is: can Boston get fair value given they selected him in the mid 3rd round and its coming on the second half of the 4th round already? Will someone give up a starting quality wing player for a role playing 2nd string center that shows some promise? We will see!
I think you keep the three of them together. Tough physical trio. Very hard to matchup against. A 7-0 250lb Pau Gasol, a 6-11 270lb Enes Kanter, a 6-11 250lb Tiago Splitter. Not many teams have the bodies, skilled size with heft, to matchup effectively against those trio. I say keep them together.
The team already has a top creator on the perimeter already in Kyrie Irving. So they don't need major (star talent) reinforcements on the perimeter. A couple of role player wings would finish off that perfectly. A strong backup guard perhaps.
There is always someone out there that can see the larger plan.
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Lakers still looking to move 5.12 up into the 4th.
Offers get TP's
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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18
What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?
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Phoenix selects another young guy to run our offense:
Jeff Teague
This was a hard pick considering the pg's left and other positions. But I needed a pg
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Lakers still looking to move 5.12 up into the 4th.
Offers get TP's
Same here y'all.
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We think Aaron will fit in perfectly with what we are doing here in L.A. he is a great defender and shoots a high percentage not just from the field but from 3pt range as well.
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Detroit selects Eric Bledsoe
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So far my highest ranked guys to go this round have been Afflalo, Reddick, Nene, and splitter. In no particular order.
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For the team that refuses to ever be small
Tiago Splitter
Great pick, He Should have been the first Big taken this round IMO
I disagree, I think JV is already doing in Toronto what Tiago does in San Antonio. JV is way younger and has a midrange game.
Still, great pick nonetheless.
Well the numbers would indicate you're incorrect in everything but the last 2 sentences.
JV is way younger, and has a burgeoning midrange game, but Splitter is a better finisher, better pick and roll partner, better defender, better rebounder, scores more, scores more efficiently, and had playoff experience.
Scores more on average 2 points and better FG% by 2%. Okay. 2% is such a huge difference. But since we're there, JV TS% is better by a point.
Trueshooting is a viable stat, I hadn't looked at it. Good get.
Rebounding is pretty much the same at 6 a game (okay Splitter wins by .4).
Actually, rebounding is identical. Same identical rebounding %
JV blocks more shots, Splitter gets more steals.
If that's how you measure defense, that's one thing. But according to synergy stats (stats that measure actual individual performance against another player in specific contexts), Splitter is the 72 best defender in the league, Priest Vallon is 279th.
Put differently, according to synergy sports, a sometimes flawed system (like any other), when ranking Valencia California's ability to directly prevent opposing players from scoring, there are 278 players in the NBA better than him at stopping guys.
According to 82 games, Valero gets outscored by other centers on an average of 5 points per 48 minutes. According to the same site, Splitter outscores his opposing centers by 6.2 points per 48 minutes.
I guess Splitter, is by decimal points, better than JV, but he had some help along the way.
Well, Splitter was a less featured part of his offense, he's gotta fight a hall of famer for rebounds, along with plus rebounders for their positions at 1-3 (IIRC, I might be wrong there), so there's that to consider as well. Its not like Splitter gets a +3 dex score because he plays next to Duncan or something, playing with high-caliber players cuts both ways.
Again, I think it's a great pick, by no means I'm saying it's a terrible selection. I'm just disagreeing that he should be the 1st big to be selected in this round, because I'm quite certain people would take JV, maybe Nene over him.
I'd tell you this, I'd take him over DeAndre though.
Okay, I'm saying that statistically, those people would be opting for the less productive player. And then factor in experience, and ability to 'act like he's been there before', and Splitter's a pretty great value here.
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Waiting on a few PMs before picking. Won't make it late though.
(Yoki and ron, check 'em.)
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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round. Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now. Think moving back was the right move.
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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round. Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now. Think moving back was the right move.
Speaking of moving back, if someone wants to jump from the top of the 5th to the next pick, PM us meow.
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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round. Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now. Think moving back was the right move.
Yup, only about 4 out of my list of 30 guys have been picked.
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Splitter was better than Valanciunas last season but I would be shocked if Valanciunas wasn't the better next season.
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I'm mostly ranking guys by fit, not BPA, but I'm astonished by how few of the players on my list are getting taken this round. Barnes, Splitter, and Vucevic are the only guys I was looking at that are gone now. Think moving back was the right move.
Speaking of moving back, if someone wants to jump from the top of the 5th to the next pick, PM us meow.
Check 'em.
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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18
What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?
Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18
What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?
Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?
That would be a talent evaluation issue, not a fairness is pick exchange.
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
Solid
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Mod team up again.
Will listen to trade back offers.
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
Solid
One heck of a defensive core there in Cleveland. Rebounding, defense, scoring balance. I really like it.
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
Solid
One heck of a defensive core there in Cleveland. Rebounding, defense, scoring balance. I really like it.
Grizzlies mold FTW.
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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18
What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?
Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?
That would be a talent evaluation issue, not a fairness is pick exchange.
I stand corected.
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You forgot the trade that landed you Irving in the first place. You sold that thing like a great car salesman.
And I'm not knocking you for it, don't get me wrong.
I traded 2.20, 3.20 for 1.18 and 6.18
What part, exactly, of that trade is uneven?
Uhh, talent of the guys who ended up being those picks? Remember the backlash I got for that?
Yoki, I didn't make the above trade with you. I traded with you:
Bulls Send Kyrie Irving, 4.5, 5.20
Cavs Send: 2.1, 3.1. 5.1
which worked out to be (even though I don't think I made a single one of those picks outside Irving):
Bulls Send: Kyrie Irving, (not picked middling PG), Harrison Barnes
Cavs Send: Tyson Chandler, Derrick Rose, (not picked defensive and 3pt specialist)
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
Solid
One heck of a defensive core there in Cleveland. Rebounding, defense, scoring balance. I really like it.
Grizzlies mold FTW.
I think scoring might be an issue though
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I think scoring might be an issue though
Between the CB draft and the DKC, I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing that.
Allen is the only guy on or team who isn't at least above-average offensively. Lawson's a magician, Horford can score from pretty much anywhere inside the 3pt line, and KG's as good as they come with his midrange jumper.
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On my phone. And of the remaining 4th round picks looking to move back to 5.14?
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Did you guys know that Synergy ranked Kanter as the 20th best defender in the league last season? He also managed to outscore opposing centers by 6.8 points per 48 minutes.
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Boston selects Eric Gordon.
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Boston selects Eric Gordon.
BOOOOOO, I was convinced he was going to slip to the next round
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Boston selects Eric Gordon.
Was wondering when he'd go. Nice pickup.
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Boston selects Eric Gordon.
OH MY GOD! I thought he was going to drop...
Awesome pick!
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I think scoring might be an issue though
Between the CB draft and the DKC, I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing that.
Allen is the only guy on or team who isn't at least above-average offensively. Lawson's a magician, Horford can score from pretty much anywhere inside the 3pt line, and KG's as good as they come with his midrange jumper.
This. While defense is obviously the key for the team, offense doesn't automatically become an issue. These guys (besides allen) all are good on the offensive end, and add in some scoring off the bench and this team will be above average on offense
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I think scoring might be an issue though
Between the CB draft and the DKC, I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing that.
Allen is the only guy on or team who isn't at least above-average offensively. Lawson's a magician, Horford can score from pretty much anywhere inside the 3pt line, and KG's as good as they come with his midrange jumper.
This. While defense is obviously the key for the team, offense doesn't automatically become an issue. These guys (besides allen) all are good on the offensive end, and add in some scoring off the bench and this team will be above average on offense
Regular season, no.
Come playoff time, when you run into another good defensive team that does have a player that is an offensive star, you may have issues.
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Gross. I don't know what to do when you guys actually like a pick.
Kyrie Irving
Eric Gordon
?
Pau Gasol/Splitter
Kanter/Splitter/Gasol
Alright. I can kind of see this working now. Alright.
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I think scoring might be an issue though
Between the CB draft and the DKC, I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing that.
Allen is the only guy on or team who isn't at least above-average offensively. Lawson's a magician, Horford can score from pretty much anywhere inside the 3pt line, and KG's as good as they come with his midrange jumper.
This. While defense is obviously the key for the team, offense doesn't automatically become an issue. These guys (besides allen) all are good on the offensive end, and add in some scoring off the bench and this team will be above average on offense
I don't think the issue is scoring throughout the games, I think it's in the last minute or so when you really need a bucket. Big reason we took Dirk. You can get through the game just fine, you just need a closer IMO
By they way, great pick in Tony Allen. He was our next choice behind Matthews at 4.12
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Okay, so which one of you lovely GM's gave me all those tommy points... Last time I was on my computer I was only at 132
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With pick 4.21, the Mile High City Nuggets select.
Kyle Lowry
Nothing better like a starting level PG as you backup.
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Okay, so which one of you lovely GM's gave me tommy points... Last time I was on my computer I was only at 132
I might have gotten carried away. It happens.
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Gross. I don't know what to do when you guys actually like a pick.
The problem with Eric Gordon is no matter what situation you put him in, he'll still be Eric Gordon: an inefficient, no-D, glass-kneed petulant manbaby. (does that help?)
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I think scoring might be an issue though
Between the CB draft and the DKC, I can't tell you how tired I am of hearing that.
Allen is the only guy on or team who isn't at least above-average offensively. Lawson's a magician, Horford can score from pretty much anywhere inside the 3pt line, and KG's as good as they come with his midrange jumper.
This. While defense is obviously the key for the team, offense doesn't automatically become an issue. These guys (besides allen) all are good on the offensive end, and add in some scoring off the bench and this team will be above average on offense
Regular season, no.
Come playoff time, when you run into another good defensive team that does have a player that is an offensive star, you may have issues.
Lawson. 35 and 10. Playoffs. Road game.
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Gross. I don't know what to do when you guys actually like a pick.
The problem with Eric Gordon is no matter what situation you put him in, he'll still be Eric Gordon: an inefficient, no-D, glass-kneed petulant manbaby. (does that help?)
It's fair.
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Gross. I don't know what to do when you guys actually like a pick.
The problem with Eric Gordon is no matter what situation you put him in, he'll still be Eric Gordon: an inefficient, no-D, glass-kneed petulant manbaby. (does that help?)
It's fair.
Hahaha, TP. I'm really not a big fan of Gordon, probably stemming from paying good money to watch him sleepwalk through an NCAA tourney game, but it's great value for the late 4th.
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How do you like my backup PG? He can start on any teams anyday...
OH YEAAAAH!
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Have until 3 right?
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How do you like my backup PG? He can start on any teams anyday...
OH YEAAAAH!
Doesn't he keep wearing out his welcome on teams?
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How do you like my backup PG? He can start on any teams anyday...
OH YEAAAAH!
Doesn't he keep wearing out his welcome on teams?
He seems fine in Toronto, no?
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How do you like my backup PG? He can start on any teams anyday...
OH YEAAAAH!
Doesn't he keep wearing out his welcome on teams?
He seems fine in Toronto, no?
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/01/raptors-reportedly-making-kyle-lowry-available/
The Raptors have been less than pleased with Kyle Lowry in his first season in Toronto. Lowry has “not made many friends in his new surroundings
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How do you like my backup PG? He can start on any teams anyday...
OH YEAAAAH!
Doesn't he keep wearing out his welcome on teams?
He seems fine in Toronto, no?
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/01/raptors-reportedly-making-kyle-lowry-available/
The Raptors have been less than pleased with Kyle Lowry in his first season in Toronto. Lowry has “not made many friends in his new surroundings
I did not know that.
I'm not concerned, he's still very skilled.
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It should also be pointed out Lowry is being shopped despite Buycks and Augustin being their PG depth.
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Lakers still looking to use their 5.14 to move up to late 4th or early 5th.
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It should also be pointed out Lowry is being shopped despite Buycks and Augustin being their PG depth.
And he's still better than those two PG's. I mean no disrespect but it's really a non issue for this team.
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The LA Lakers select
Jose Calderon
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It should also be pointed out Lowry is being shopped despite Buycks and Augustin being their PG depth.
And he's still better than those two PG's. I mean no disrespect but it's really a non issue for this team.
Well there's definitely nothing wrong with having a starting caliber PG as your backup!
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Looking for some feedback on the squad.
PG-Rose
SG-Afflalo
SF-
PF-Grffin
C-Vucevic
I think that is a well rounded team.
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Gross. I don't know what to do when you guys actually like a pick.
The problem with Eric Gordon is no matter what situation you put him in, he'll still be Eric Gordon: an inefficient, no-D, glass-kneed petulant manbaby. (does that help?)
It's fair.
Hahaha, TP. I'm really not a big fan of Gordon, probably stemming from paying good money to watch him sleepwalk through an NCAA tourney game, but it's great value for the late 4th.
We know where Gordon's highs are, that's the thing with him. You either believe he can get there again, or don't. I think he can, because frankly people have been crapping all over him for 2 and a half years now, so what other option does he have if he ever wants to be anything buy a 'might-have been'.
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The LA Lakers select
Jose Calderon
Very difficult choice for our PG situation as we identified multiple candidates well suited for the job. Ultimately, Calderon is an elite playmaker (arguably one of the best) in the league and his proficiency at the pick-and-roll will be nasty with Dirk and Marc (Euro Big 3, anyone?). Plus, Calderon's perimeter shot is butter!
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
I was just thinking he would be perfect with this team (below)
Looking for some feedback on the squad.
PG-Rose
SG-Afflalo
SF-
PF-Grffin
C-Vucevic
I think that is a well rounded team.
As a sixth man. Someone who can shore up the interior defense. Play alongside either B-Griffin or N-Vucevic. Provide staunch defense, physical toughness and rebounding.
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We know where Gordon's highs are, that's the thing with him. You either believe he can get there again, or don't. I think he can, because frankly people have been crapping all over him for 2 and a half years now, so what other option does he have if he ever wants to be anything buy a 'might-have been'.
Change nothing and get $58 million anyway?
My biggest concern about Gordon - and I promise I'm not saying this out of gamesmanship - is that he strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't really love playing basketball but is so ridiculously good at it that of course he keeps going. Guys like that don't tend to care about legacy much, and now that he's gotten paid he might well just keep mailing it in til retirement. It's possible he just hates New Orleans, though. And again, great value for the spot.
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
I was just thinking he would be perfect with this team (below)
Looking for some feedback on the squad.
PG-Rose
SG-Afflalo
SF-
PF-Grffin
C-Vucevic
I think that is a well rounded team.
As a sixth man. Someone who can shore up the interior defense. Play alongside either B-Griffin or N-Vucevic. Provide staunch defense, physical toughness and rebounding.
But, how about on my team?
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
And there goes a guy who was very high on my list. Good choice - he's had other injuries but the blood clot that knocked him out this year isn't likely to affect him going forward.
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
And there goes a guy who was very high on my list. Good choice - he's had other injuries but the blood clot that knocked him out this year isn't likely to affect him going forward.
There would be a time when this team will play Bogut and Andy together on the floor and the fans will have two things in mind.
a.) Interior defense is tough, no one is going to score, nor rebound.
b.) God! They'll go down, at the same time.
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
I was just thinking he would be perfect with this team (below)
Looking for some feedback on the squad.
PG-Rose
SG-Afflalo
SF-
PF-Grffin
C-Vucevic
I think that is a well rounded team.
As a sixth man. Someone who can shore up the interior defense. Play alongside either B-Griffin or N-Vucevic. Provide staunch defense, physical toughness and rebounding.
But, how about on my team?
Complements N-Vucevic (jump-shot) and B-Griffin (forward skill-level) brilliantly. Vucevic being an Ilgauskas type offensive player to balance Varejao's offensive limitations at PF.
Not so sure about A.Bogut and G.Monroe. Bogut is a good high post passer but lacks a jump-shot so only a so-so high post big. I think spacing will be difficult with Varejao and Bogut on the floor together. I consider Greg Monroe is a work in progress as a power forward and I am not sold on him there. More of an undersized center than a genuine PF at this stage in his career. So not wild about how well those three players work alongside one another. All individually very effective but not so sure about them as combinations.
I would have looked for a different type of backup big behind G-Monroe and A-Bogut. Someone with a true jump-shot and preferably good quickness. Rather than an offensively challenged but top defender/rebounder big man like Varejao.
Varejao is very good value for the fourth round. A steal (if healthy).
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b.) God! They'll go down, at the same time.
Well, if they bang heads I'm pretty sure I know which one will be better off ;D
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As my time gets closer Im taking last minute offers on the 4.24.
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Going once...Going Twice...
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
SG Andre Iguodala
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love
C JaVale McGee
(http://i.minus.com/i4VcQFedV2Azx.gif)
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Going once...Going Twice...
Check PM's PJ
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Mile High City selects.
Anderson Varejao
Injuries by darned, he's still a double double machine, can play the 4 or 5 spot, and he's coming off the bench.
I was just thinking he would be perfect with this team (below)
Looking for some feedback on the squad.
PG-Rose
SG-Afflalo
SF-
PF-Grffin
C-Vucevic
I think that is a well rounded team.
As a sixth man. Someone who can shore up the interior defense. Play alongside either B-Griffin or N-Vucevic. Provide staunch defense, physical toughness and rebounding.
But, how about on my team?
Complements N-Vucevic (jump-shot) and B-Griffin (forward skill-level) brilliantly. Vucevic being an Ilgauskas type offensive player to balance Varejao's offensive limitations at PF.
Not so sure about A.Bogut and G.Monroe. Bogut is a good high post passer but lacks a jump-shot so only a so-so high post big. I think spacing will be difficult with Varejao and Bogut on the floor together. I consider Greg Monroe is a work in progress as a power forward and I am not sold on him there. More of an undersized center than a genuine PF at this stage in his career. So not wild about how well those three players work alongside one another. All individually very effective but not so sure about them as combinations.
I would have looked for a different type of backup big behind G-Monroe and A-Bogut. Someone with a true jump-shot and preferably good quickness. Rather than an offensively challenged but top defender/rebounder big man like Varejao.
Varejao is very good value for the fourth round. A steal (if healthy).
Thanks but I want to argue about Bogut and spacing.
He does not have a good mid range game, but he plays well at the high post. He's always the guy who sets picks on the top of the key and is not afraid to pop instead of roll.
While he doesnt have the shooting, he's very skilled that if you give him space he'll explode and put the ball on the floor and drive hard. Then it's either two things.
It will be either the defense will commit to him, and he finds an open man under, or this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9akgLJBzc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9akgLJBzc)
If you close out on him, it opens up the floor for Monroe, who all he needs to do is get in position, and Bogut will be able to send the ball his way for an inside shot.
I've watched so many Bogut games and I'm confident enough to say that he can not be a detriment on spacing, regardless of his shooting woes. I've seen it.
To actually add, the mere fact that Lillard can command double teams makes it even better for Bogut and their high screen and roll play.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
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With my, soon to be traded to another team pending trade, pick 4.24 I select
Goran Dragic.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
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Thanks but I want to argue about Bogut and spacing.
He does not have a good mid range game, but he plays well at the high post.
I think Bogut is very good in the high post when alongside a forward. Someone who provides offensive fluidity through either their jump-shooting range or by having superior quickness and cutting game to take advantage of Bogut's passing (and pulling opposing shot-blocker away from basket) helping to create movement and flow to the offense.
I am not sure Bogut will be as effective in the high post when coupled with a different sort of PF. One who is (a) like G.Monroe, a heavy usage low post scorer (2) like Varejao, a garbage man who needs to hang around the basket.
(a) Pessimistic about Varejao/Bogut working well together offensively. I think Bogut is the wrong type of C for Varejao to function effectively alongside offensively as PF.
(b) Unsure about Monroe/Bogut offensively due to Bogut's partial high post game + Monroe's similar high post flaws + Monroe's need for a large amount of touches as a low post scorer.
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With my, soon to be traded to another team pending trade, pick 4.24 I select
Goran Dragic.
Very nice pick. If it wasn't Calderon, we'd have taken Dragic. I still remember his performance against the Spurs a few playoffs ago when he scored 20-something points in the 4Q alone. One of the most underrated PGs in the league by far.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
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I want to make this draft interesting.
How about this, whoever wins the 2013 CB Draft will recieve an on card Paul Pierce Topps Certified card.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p480x480/1005243_10201523165696715_43284165_n.jpg)
Will mail it to the winner. I don't know what to do for Co-GM's though, maybe you guys can flip coins.
If you guys are on board, I'll have the card ready to ship.
This may make the draft a bit more competitive...
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
That's because we worry about winning, not EPSN highlights.
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
Smh I've been posting like every page that Lakers' 5.14 is up for trade... Blargh
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
Is Houston the team with J.Harden, Big Al, Gortat and Batum?
If so, Dragic is one heck of a way to round out that starting five.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
SG Andre Iguodala
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love
C JaVale McGee
(http://i.minus.com/i4VcQFedV2Azx.gif)
Haha love it.
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Washington is mulling options. Ok we're throwing darts at a board. Pick upcoming.
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Washington is mulling options. Ok we're throwing darts at a board. Pick upcoming.
Trade it to the Lakers.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
That's because we worry about winning, not EPSN highlights.
Since when are the two mutually exclusive? We all saw Splitter's post-season "play."
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
Between Kevin Love and Danny Granger, you're gonna be hard pressed to get highlights of guys bending at the knees as it is!
ZING!
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
That's because we worry about winning, not EPSN highlights.
Since when are the two mutually exclusive? We all saw Splitter's post-season "play."
Can you imagine how good JaVale McGee would look next to Tim Duncan and Tony Parker? Wow!
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Guys. i have 2 picks two-morrow. get it.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
That's because we worry about winning, not EPSN highlights.
Since when are the two mutually exclusive? We all saw Splitter's post-season "play."
When we are talking about McGee.
Not even the starter on his team. Less the 20 minutes a game. Both the offense and the defense was better when he was off the floor. (not to mention the rebounding %)
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Guys. i have 2 picks two-morrow. get it.
Dos that mean you'll be willing to trade one?
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
That's because we worry about winning, not EPSN highlights.
Since when are the two mutually exclusive? We all saw Splitter's post-season "play."
Can you imagine how good JaVale McGee would look next to Tim Duncan and Tony Parker? Wow!
On the bench? The Spurs usually don't play such low IQ players.
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I'd like to hear thoughts on my team. :'(
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I'd like to hear thoughts on my team. :'(
Looks like a playoff team.
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Guys. i have 2 picks two-morrow. get it.
Me as well.
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
Smh I've been posting like every page that Lakers' 5.14 is up for trade... Blargh
That almost never works. That's why I bug them through PM. 8)
Welcome back to H-Town, Dragic.
(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/178/files/2012/07/20120229_jel_ai4_674_extra_large.jpg)
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I'd like to hear thoughts on my team. :'(
I think you reached on Danny Green, but I love a lot of the stuff you've got going on there.
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I steered clear of Mcgee because he lack of basketball IQ.
Ditto.
He would've been a lot easier to sell people than the per 36 wonder Enes Kanter. That wall of text was gross. Splitter + Kanter. Too bad nobody wants to watch highlights of big men bending at the knees.
Between Kevin Love and Danny Granger, you're gonna be hard pressed to get highlights of guys bending at the knees as it is!
ZING!
Didn't you JUST draft Eric Gordon?
10-11 56 Games
11-12 9 Games
12-13 42 Games
Something about throwing stones and glass knees?
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Washington select Tobias Harris.
(http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ap+bucks+magic+basketball.jpg)
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
Smh I've been posting like every page that Lakers' 5.14 is up for trade... Blargh
That almost never works. That's why I bug them through PM. 8)
Welcome back to H-Town, Dragic.
That's the thing. I sent him three separate PMs and I think my co-GM might have sent some, too. Y'all just hating on the Lakers? :(
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 5.22 and 7.3
New York sends: Goran Dragic and 9.2
Smh I've been posting like every page that Lakers' 5.14 is up for trade... Blargh
That almost never works. That's why I bug them through PM. 8)
Welcome back to H-Town, Dragic.
That's the thing. I sent him three separate PMs and I think my co-GM might have sent some, too. Y'all just hating on the Lakers? :(
Maybe I'm just charming then.
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I'd like to hear thoughts on my team. :'(
I think you reached on Danny Green, but I love a lot of the stuff you've got going on there.
Maybe it was a reach, but the guy is deadly from downtown and is a really good defender. Also his stats are not amazing, but he did play for a team that went to the Finals and was a big part of it. Last year I went for talent, this year I'm going for fit.
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Washington select Tobias Harris.
I'm a big fan of this kid. Broke my heart in CB H2H.
Skiles.
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
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Maybe I'm just charming then.
Sigh... Teach us your secrets. We've been pushing for a trade for days and are coming up empty.
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Tobias Harris was a great pick, although all indications are him moving to the bench next season, or starting at the 3, which seemed to be the worse spot for him.
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
Your jibes are too serious, unoriginal and don't rhyme. I feel like I'm being picked on by Carlton.
I wrote you a LIMERICK.
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Rebus, will you play Tobias at the 3 or the 4?
Either way, you got a great young scorer on your squad.
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Looking to make trades pm me.
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
Your jibes are too serious, unoriginal and don't rhyme. I feel like I'm being picked on by Carlton.
I wrote you a LIMERICK.
That limerick was okay. But you're not giving me enough credit for that "bend at the knees" crack. I'd like to a third party to weigh in here. Can we get a scorecard through Round 4?
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir tombstone:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
Brevity soul of wit, and all that.
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir tombstone:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
Brevity soul of wit, and all that.
Post of the day. Lock this thread till tomorrow good.
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Working title to Eric Gordon's memoir:
"Hamstring
Left big toe
Left shoulder
Precautionary rest
Strained groin
Right wrist
Right hand
Right knee"
Too long?
Your jibes are too serious, unoriginal and don't rhyme. I feel like I'm being picked on by Carlton.
I wrote you a LIMERICK.
That limerick was okay. But you're not giving me enough credit for that "bend at the knees" crack. I'd like to a third party to weigh in here. Can we get a scorecard through Round 4?
That limerick was GROUNDBREAKING. It's the Celticsblog version of Cross Road Blues.
Which I guess means I've made some unsavory deals in my time.
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Washington select Tobias Harris.
Washington could make some really sweet small ball lineups with T.Harris (PF) alongside J.Noah (C), J.Wall (PG) and K.Thompson (SG/SF).
Exciting roster. A lot of young up and coming talent.
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Who's Orlando?
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Who's Orlando?
Me. Well, Kobe insists all trade offers be routed through a clinic in Germany he likes, but basically me.
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Thanks but I want to argue about Bogut and spacing.
He does not have a good mid range game, but he plays well at the high post.
I think Bogut is very good in the high post when alongside a forward. Someone who provides offensive fluidity through either their jump-shooting range or by having superior quickness and cutting game to take advantage of Bogut's passing (and pulling opposing shot-blocker away from basket) helping to create movement and flow to the offense.
I am not sure Bogut will be as effective in the high post when coupled with a different sort of PF. One who is (a) like G.Monroe, a heavy usage low post scorer (2) like Varejao, a garbage man who needs to hang around the basket.
(a) Pessimistic about Varejao/Bogut working well together offensively. I think Bogut is the wrong type of C for Varejao to function effectively alongside offensively as PF.
(b) Unsure about Monroe/Bogut offensively due to Bogut's partial high post game + Monroe's similar high post flaws + Monroe's need for a large amount of touches as a low post scorer.
Well, Greg Monroe has solid mid range game. He's not David Lee quick but he does have the range to extend to 15-17 feet and knock some shots. And to give an example of how it worked, last playoffs series he worked well with the forwards of GSW staying down low and him playing PnR with Curry up high. Bogut either got the ball and drove middle, found an open three point shooter or a cutter, even when the forwards of GSW stay down low. It will work well with Monroe as he commands his man to stay on him. You give Bogut space and he can beat any Center off the dribble, if Monroe's man goes to help, easy drop pass.
Also, Varejao and Shaq worked well and they are both underneath the baskets most of the time. Bogut playing high PnR and Andy stays down low waiting for a drop pass. But they won't play as much together in this system, Andy is Bogut's backup and on certain situations will then, only then they will see the floor together. Don't underestimate the 10-15 feet jumper of Andy as well.
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Hey Canadian Molson, check PM's
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Last year Monroe was roughly a 27% jump shooter. David Lee was around 37.5%
Monroe was clearly trying to work on his mid range shot, but it hasn't come together yet. So that's why the spacing could be tough unless he really improves.
Of course he's very good in the post, so you don't want him taking too many either.
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Last year Monroe was roughly a 27% jump shooter. David Lee was around 37.5%
Monroe was clearly trying to work on his mid range shot, but it hasn't come together yet. So that's why the spacing could be tough unless he really improves.
Of course he's very good in the post, so you don't want him taking too many either.
Just so everyone knows...Kanter is a 42.5% jump shooter, and Gasol's historically better than that.
So like...Space, y'all.
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Rebus, will you play Tobias at the 3 or the 4?
Either way, you got a great young scorer on your squad.
Right now, thinking 4 ala Melo (note I'm not saying he's Melo). Depending on how the next few picks go, possible 6th man.
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Washington select Tobias Harris.
Washington could make some really sweet small ball lineups with T.Harris (PF) alongside J.Noah (C), J.Wall (PG) and K.Thompson (SG/SF).
Exciting roster. A lot of young up and coming talent.
Thanks, was the goal. Plus having fun taking guys I actually like.
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Last year Monroe was roughly a 27% jump shooter. David Lee was around 37.5%
Monroe was clearly trying to work on his mid range shot, but it hasn't come together yet. So that's why the spacing could be tough unless he really improves.
Of course he's very good in the post, so you don't want him taking too many either.
IIRC Monroe and Drummond, who has no mid range game (shooting or high post game) whatsoever, worked well.
Bogut plays in the high post, that alone gives enough room for Monroe to work. He's (Greg) also a good passer so you cant double him and just expect a turnover. Bogut is also a good cutter and finisher to the basket.
I'm not worried about spacing, Bogut plays the screen and roll on the top of the key well, there's enough room for Monroe to operate there.
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IIRC Monroe and Drummond, who has no mid range game (shooting or high post game) whatsoever, worked well.
Actually, there's a fair amount of concern over the pairing. Their skillsets aren't particularly complimentary, but since both big men are just obviously so talented, they're inclined to wait and see if they can gel.
But with josh Smith and {unselected} in town this year, that might change quick.
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The Nuggets' backup Center, people. Keyword, backup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGLFCaYGKo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dGLFCaYGKo)
I think I'm going to win that PP Auto Card.
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
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Well, since our first option went to MIL, we'll go with the guy that (I think) ron thought was our first option.
Cleveland selects Tony Allen.
His defense will be a big boost alongside Lawson.
You know, since Champnotsokind thwarted me on Nene and thwarted me on Redick in the DKC, I'm glad I at least was able to pay it forward. 8)
Ironic that it was Redick.
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
I love your front line. I think Horford and Garnett compliments each other perfectly. Good balance between your core players. But I think someone mentioned before that you lack a real primary scorer.
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I will plug my team as well.
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Wilson Chandler (ESPN has him at SG, I like him there)
SF: TBD
PF: Greg Monroe
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
I love your front line. I think Horford and Garnett compliments each other perfectly. Good balance between your core players. But I think someone before that you lack a real primary scorer.
I don't think a primary scorer is really necessary, but I do think some perimeter shooting and a quality bench scorer would help create a really well-rounded offense.
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So while most all teams seem to be going with as many bigs as possible, I'm gonna play the opposite side.
Conley, Redick, George & Anderson is lethal from beyond the arc. It's raining threes in Milwaukee.
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
You have to limit KG's minutes if you want to be taken seriously, so you might need to put off that SF selection for another round and get the best quality big man you can. Try to get a natural starter, not a guy who is already actually a bench player.
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Will listen to offers on the 5.1. TPs for offers.
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PG: Tony Parker
SG: TBD
SF: Gallo
PF: Kenneth Faried
C: Jonas Val
What are everyone's thoughts?
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
You have to limit KG's minutes if you want to be taken seriously, so you might need to put off that SF selection for another round and get the best quality big man you can. Try to get a natural starter, not a guy who is already actually a bench player.
Ii agree with limiting KG's minutes. Also what is the update on him not playing back to backs?
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Considering trading a 6th and 8th for an early 5th straight up. PM with offers.
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Loking to move up in the fifth
PM me with any offers
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Considering trading a 6th and 8th for an early 5th straight up. PM with offers.
Willing to do the same deal for a top-7 5th, but offering a 6th and a 7th.
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I will offer my 5th (12th) for an early 5th...also willing to discuss other picks to be included
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Considering trading a 6th and 8th for an early 5th straight up. PM with offers.
Willing to do the same deal for a top-7 5th, but offering a 6th and a 7th.
Cold, IP. Very Swearengenian of you.
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Considering trading a 6th and 8th for an early 5th straight up. PM with offers.
Willing to do the same deal for a top-7 5th, but offering a 6th and a 7th.
That's what I'm talking about I.P. What is competition? I.P's tryna raise the bar high.
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Considering trading a 6th and 8th for an early 5th straight up. PM with offers.
Willing to do the same deal for a top-7 5th, but offering a 6th and a 7th.
Cold, IP. Very Swearengenian of you.
Funny inadvertent result: Since I'm offering it, and I never take a deal that isn't better for me because I'm so awesome, no people KNOW that your deal was a dog to begin with.
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The Lakers have 5.14 to move up in the 5th, and we're also ready to combo both our 7th rounders to move into the 5th. We're listening to just about anything, so PM!
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Love that people are willing to overpay for 5th rounders. 8)
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Thoughts on Dallas?
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Thoughts on Dallas?
Good, not great. I'm not particularly high on Faried, so fringe playoff team?
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Thoughts on Dallas?
Good, not great. I'm not particularly high on Faried, so fringe playoff team?
Yeah I guess it depends on what you think of Faried and gallo
Tp for the honest opinion
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Thoughts on Dallas?
Good, not great. I'm not particularly high on Faried, so fringe playoff team?
Yeah I guess it depends on what you think of Faried and gallo
Tp for the honest opinion
I think you're really gonna struggle defensively too, if that matters. Faried is a high-motor guy, but he actually isn't that great a defender. He makes great plays but doesn't play great games, if that makes sense. Jonas V, despite all my bagging is a nice player, but I don't think he's the defender you'd want to anchor your team. Get some shooters, and shoot the lights out, hide til its bright out.
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Thoughts on Dallas?
Good, not great. I'm not particularly high on Faried, so fringe playoff team?
Yeah I guess it depends on what you think of Faried and gallo
Tp for the honest opinion
I think you're really gonna struggle defensively too, if that matters. Faried is a high-motor guy, but he actually isn't that great a defender. He makes great plays but doesn't play great games, if that makes sense. Jonas V, despite all my bagging is a nice player, but I don't think he's the defender you'd want to anchor your team. Get some shooters, and shoot the lights out, hide til its bright out.
Thanks for the advice
Taken into consideration
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Thoughts on Dallas?
Good, not great. I'm not particularly high on Faried, so fringe playoff team?
Yeah I guess it depends on what you think of Faried and gallo
Tp for the honest opinion
I think you're really gonna struggle defensively too, if that matters. Faried is a high-motor guy, but he actually isn't that great a defender. He makes great plays but doesn't play great games, if that makes sense. Jonas V, despite all my bagging is a nice player, but I don't think he's the defender you'd want to anchor your team. Get some shooters, and shoot the lights out, hide til its bright out.
Thanks for the advice
Taken into consideration
TP for being cool.
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Dragic
Harden
Batum
Jefferson
Gortat
Jefferson fits less and less on this team, but knowing BigAl, I won't be surprised at all to see him make some ridiculous trade to fix his PF spot. And when that happens...
(http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebron-mvp-finals-16x9.jpg?w=650)
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PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen
SF: ?? / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Thoughts? Suggestions? Likes? Dislikes?
You have to limit KG's minutes if you want to be taken seriously, so you might need to put off that SF selection for another round and get the best quality big man you can. Try to get a natural starter, not a guy who is already actually a bench player.
Sorta like Enes Kanter, not that he's available or anything. ;D
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on my core of Conley, Redick, George and Anderson.
Good or bad, you'll earn a TP.
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Oh how the mighty have fallen. I.P. has only made one trade and now some people thing BigAl has taken his place.
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Dragic
Harden
Batum
Jefferson
Gortat
Jefferson fits less and less on this team, but knowing BigAl, I won't be surprised at all to see him make some ridiculous trade to fix his PF spot. And when that happens...
Stop hating on my Big Al, rondo! Just let me keep him for my namesake.
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on my core of Conley, Redick, George and Anderson.
Good or bad, you'll earn a TP.
Spurs GM doesn't work for TPs. But will swap feedback.
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on my core of Conley, Redick, George and Anderson.
Good or bad, you'll earn a TP.
Spurs GM doesn't work for TPs. But will swap feedback.
Update your sig
There, your turn ;D
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I believe the Big Board, Eligible Players, Trades and Rosters posts on the 1st page are all up to date so if everyone can check to make sure their rosters, trades and positions on the Big Board are correct, that would be cool. If anything is off, just let me know and I will fix it.
Tomorrow after the draft begins the dreaded Coach's Round. Basically pick a coach at your leisure. When you do, post it here and then PM the next GM to alert them it is their turn to select their coach. Since I may or may not be in this weekend a bunch this will help keep things rolling and I will post the selections when I pop in.
PMs will go out tomorrow reminding everyone.
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No one is talking about the Nuggets.
Guess theyre speechless on how good tje team is.
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No one is talking about the Nuggets.
Guess theyre speechless on how good tje team is.
Lots of depth, but this team needs to consolidate its talent for any chance of a ship.
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Does anybody still use the chat room for trade talks? There use to be parties in there previous drafts.
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Honestly, TWW, I'm not sure what to thionk about your Spurs.
Really like Love and Iggy. Granger should work well with Iggy, while McGee should provide the defense Love can't.
I'm just not sure how much I like Granger and McGee individually. Difficult to count on either player, for different reasons. I think you need some scoring punch in the back court. A good shooting PG would actually work really well with that group. Iggy's ball handling allows any team with him to get away with a PG who isn't the best playmaker.
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No one is talking about the Nuggets.
Guess theyre speechless on how good tje team is.
Lots of depth, but this team needs to consolidate its talent for any chance of a ship.
You mean like if he packaged Lillard and Monroe and a pick and traded for a top player, like say a Harden or someone like that? ;) :D ;D
j/k Yoki j/k
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No one is talking about the Nuggets.
Guess theyre speechless on how good tje team is.
Lots of depth, but this team needs to consolidate its talent for any chance of a ship.
A starting level PG and if not for injuries a surefire All Star C coming off the bench. Glad tje depth is getting recognized.
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And no one is talking about the Bulls. SMH.
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I believe the Big Board, Eligible Players, Trades and Rosters posts on the 1st page are all up to date so if everyone can check to make sure their rosters, trades and positions on the Big Board are correct, that would be cool. If anything is off, just let me know and I will fix it.
Tomorrow after the draft begins the dreaded Coach's Round. Basically pick a coach at your leisure. When you do, post it here and then PM the next GM to alert them it is their turn to select their coach. Since I may or may not be in this weekend a bunch this will help keep things rolling and I will post the selections when I pop in.
PMs will go out tomorrow reminding everyone.
How did the order of the coach's round get chosen?
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How did the order of the coach's round get chosen?
The ones who drafted in the middle of the first round, are the ones who get to pick first in the coaches round while the last ones and first ones pick last. Personally I like the way it's chosen and don't mind as coaches really don't matter to me.
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And no one is talking about the Bulls. SMH.
Hey, ron. Is Lamarcus Aldridge on the trading block?
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And no one is talking about the Bulls. SMH.
Hey, ron. Is Lamarcus Aldridge on the trading block?
Yes, yes he is.
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And no one is talking about the Bulls. SMH.
Hey, ron. Is Lamarcus Aldridge on the trading block?
Yes, yes he is.
(http://dayofthejedi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/142.jpg)
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I'd like to hear some thoughts on my core of Conley, Redick, George and Anderson.
Good or bad, you'll earn a TP.
Spurs GM doesn't work for TPs. But will swap feedback.
Update your sig
There, your turn ;D
Humph.
Okay, Everybody loves Paul George. He's long and quick, driven - making meaningful strides every season, and he's now an elite perimeter defender at either wing spot. But he still needs to improve as a shot creator if he's going to carry the load as the primary scoring option on a contender, the Bucks or the Pacers. He can't shoot below 42% again. He's got to maintain his scoring volume, 17.4 points per last season, but get back in to the 44-45% range and, ideally, cut down on his turnovers. His ball handling hurts him there.
If he can't, he may be better suited to a 1A role. There's no shame in that, particularly given his defense. But it's not clear the Bucks have a second scorer on the level of Danny Granger or David West to take up slack. What they do have is four, count them four, knock down shooters. As last season's Warriors team demonstrated, there's not a defensive scheme that can account for four three point threats on the nights they're all on.
Conley has gradually developed into one of the league's top two-way guards. Redick struggled post-trade last season, but let's assume he warms to Milwaukee and returns to form in 13-14. I would've loved to see the Bucks go after another of their own, Ilyasova over Anderson. But Ryan is a shooter who has to be accounted for, careful with the ball - generally Milwaukee is going to make possessions count - and a solid rebounder.
Going forward, the Bucks need a rim protector - team will have elite perimeter defense, but Anderson is going to need help - and a reserve who can be relied on to create his own shot, whether that's off-the-dribble or back-to-the-basket.
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Wasn't my team but TP to TWW for a great write-up on the Bucks.
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Wasn't my team but TP to TWW for a great write-up on the Bucks.
I appreciate it. Happy to swap feedback with the L@kers as well.
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Wasn't my team but TP to TWW for a great write-up on the Bucks.
Your team is really well put together. I'm gonna go out on a quasi-limb and say Dirk's still got it, and next to Gasol, great match. Need a defensive force on the wing, but since you have Calderon, Dirk, and Matthews all there, you can afford to take a defensive specialist kinda late if you want. You could even use your 5th to bolster your bench, which considering Dirks age probably isn't a bad idea.
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I'd be happy to take a look at the Spurs, TWW.
Thanks for the analysis, IP. I'll return the favor shortly.
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Definitely appreciate the feedback TWW. I'll write something more in depth when I get the opportunity to asses your roster further.
TP well earned
I'd also like to add, I have looked over the league's 1-2-3 triokas, and I don't think there is a better one out there. Enough bloviating, for now, though.
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Sorry guys been crazy busy at work.... That's why WeMadeIt17 and I are coming GMs.
So what teams are looking like the favorites thus far?
I will trying and sit down tonight.... If my four kids 7 and under ever go to bed! Wish full thinking!
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Wasn't my team but TP to TWW for a great write-up on the Bucks.
I appreciate it. Happy to swap feedback with the L@kers as well.
Iggy
Granger
Love
McGee
Positive thoughts: Iggy is a 2/3, Granger is a 3/4. Right there grants you a ton of versatility in your lineups, and I love that.
Kevin Love by all rights is an elite rebounder, highly efficient volume scorer, and if his press releases are any indication, a passionate player and Id like to believe leader. Javale McGee is an athletic freak of nature that looks like a teddy bear mated with a giraffe. George Karl was Alledgedly let go because he didn't play McGee enough minutes, and his safety net ____ _____ was traded away in the offseason for a guy who can't play center, so Im led to believe in real life the nuggets felt secure enough in McGee's growth to play him the big minutes his per-36 stats would suggest he will produce in. The way it's supposed to work is McGee and Iggy will be granted room to operate by Love and Granger's range, and that'll create opportunities for everyone.
Negative thoughts: Kevin Love has ruined my fantasy season in multiple years now. He's like who Steph Curry used to be. Granger is a pretty big gamble in my mind as well, what with his degenerative knee disorder and all. JaVale McGee is all talent, no discipline, and I have no idea how that's gonna play out next season. Id hate to be caught lookin when he finally gets it, but I haven't seen anything on his end in the last year to make me think this will be his year to turn it around (bright eyes).
A very wiggle team. Great on paper, but you gotta make a couple of leaps that it'll work out. Some gambles, but smart ones.
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Heat are in the chat, willing to talk trades.
http://www.celticsblog.com/pages/celticsblog-live-chat-2
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Heat are in the chat, willing to talk trades.
http://www.celticsblog.com/pages/celticsblog-live-chat-2
Oh man, KC is WILLING to talk trades? I'm not worthy!
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Heat are in the chat, willing to talk trades.
http://www.celticsblog.com/pages/celticsblog-live-chat-2
Oh man, KC is WILLING to talk trades? I'm not worthy!
I mean, you're not but some other people are.
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Big Al is a chatroom tease! Not professionally for elicit websites... but still.
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Big Al is a chatroom tease! Not professionally for elicit websites... but still.
I clicked the link by accident LOL
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So here are my really, really early, and completely subject to change, favorites.
East- Atlanta, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago
West- Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Phoenix
Also, it figures I'm in the (likely) toughest division. Lot of talent in the Central Division.
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The Heat are opening the floodgates:
Get your offers in on (http://realbigfaces.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/chrisbosh.jpg)(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/172787/joshsmith.jpg)(http://gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/chandler-parsons-houston-rockets.jpg)(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18j4uqctyq86ujpg/ku-medium.jpg)
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We got a CB draft party in the chat room y'all. Come join.
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San Antonio Spurs
Iguodala | Granger | Love | McGee
The Love/McGee combination up front looks very enticing. Love has the range and rebounding, while McGee has the athleticism and shot-blocking. The weaknesses of both are diminished playing alongside each other and they form a great complement. You can't go wrong with Iggy on the wing, but Granger figures to be the boom-or-bust link on this team. Suffering a degenerative knee injury is never music to one's ears, but his floor spacing and defense is a great fit to the team.
The last spot in your lineup is the PG position, but with the way your team is set up, you're just in luck. With Iggy around, you aren't in as dire of a need of a true playmaker at that position compared to other teams, meaning there's a couple PGs on the board that I feel would be absolute steals for you.
Overall, I must admit this team quietly sneaked under my radar. It's shaping up to be a pretty cohesive team and you're in good position to fill up the holes.
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I'd be happy to take a look at the Spurs, TWW.
Thanks for the analysis, IP. I'll return the favor shortly.
What I love about this L@kers squad is, 1-4, they have the league's highest basketball IQ. Four savvy players, with obvious love for the game. That's what will earn L.A. wins over teams with greater athleticism, that and superior spacing.
Nowitzki is coming off his worst season since '99 or 2000, he's not getting to the line, and he hasn't had a healthy training camp since winning the title, but he closed last season out with a month and a half of vintage play, he remains one of the league's toughest covers at the 4, and their isn't a first option who turns it over less often. He'll have to do less than he did last year, and he's going to love his teammates. L.A. has put him in good position.
Calderon has consistently been one of the league's top 3-4 passers since his arrival state-side and hasn't gotten enough recognition as the NBA's BEST 3 POINT SHOOTER last season, shooting a standing ovation-worthy 46.1%,, through a trade from one also-ran team to another, no less. In fact, he was the league's best spot up shooter, 1.71 PPP on spot ups.
Then you have Matthews, a strong 3 point shooter who plays hard and plays hurt, and reigning DPOY Marc Gasol who's well-rounded game includes a nice mid-range jump shot. Offensively, this is a team that will move the ball and make shots. To my eye, L.A.'s only offensive weakness is the team's near total lack of dribble penetration. Matthew's can finish, but he's a poor, head-down-and-hope ball handler. While Calderon takes fewer shots at the rim than almost any other starting point guard.
Defensively, it's hard to judge thus far. Gasol is going to cover many of his teammates mistakes. He was the best defensive player on the league's best defense last year and I love this description:
It takes about 45 seconds with Gasol to recognize that his basketball intellect is likely top five in the league. It's the first thing that Randolph mentions about him, the first thing that his coach, Lionel Hollins, mentions about him.
"Marc is very aware. He's got a high basketball IQ. He sees things and recognizes them and talks to guys. He's a very good help defender. He knows when to go double. He knows when to trap, when the clock is going down. He sees things and directs people like a goalie behind them. He knows how to keep his body in front of people and make people score through him."
But whereas Nowitzki's job has gotten much easier, Young Gasol's job has gotten notably more difficult. Matthews is solid but not first tier. (Marc is going to miss T.A.) Calderon is a player from an earlier era who has real trouble staying in front of the league's near-nightly parade of borderline-All Star point guards. And while Dirk's effort level is high, he's also limited side-to-side.
Going ahead, team has some choices to make, the Lakers need a player who can get at the rim and get to the line, they also need either a mobile back-up power forward or a quick, defensive-minded point guard.
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C'mon guys, the chat is creepy when it's just me and Big Al.
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It's interesting to see you immediately point out the Lakers' reliance on savvy and smarts. I noticed this earlier and thought it was quite ironic how our cross-town rivals, the Clippers, seem to be going for the exact opposite, with walking highlight reels that thrive off athleticism.
Anyway, thanks for the write-up, and another well-deserved TP's heading your way. My super duper co-GM and I both agree on the two weaknesses you've highlighted, and we're already hard at work identifying guys who can solve those issues. For now we're pretty happy about our European Big 3 ft. Wesley Matthews (aka Iron Man).
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A very wiggle team. Great on paper, but you gotta make a couple of leaps that it'll work out. Some gambles, but smart ones.
Point of order. The TWW hallmarks are actually:
At least one starter playing out of his normal position: Bosh at center, Garnett at center, Ginobili/Iguodala splitting point guard duties last season.
A rookie or sophomore starter that everyone doubts: Westbrook 08-09, _____________ 09-10, Eric Gordon 10-11, Rubio 11-12, Anthony Davis last season.
Which on a related note, this is the longest we've ever gone in a CB Draft without a rookie picked. Who's going first?
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It's interesting to see you immediately point out the Lakers' reliance on savvy and smarts. I noticed this earlier and thought it was quite ironic how our cross-town rivals, the Clippers, seem to be going for the exact opposite, with walking highlight reels that thrive off athleticism.
Anyway, thanks for the write-up, and another well-deserved TP's heading your way. My super duper co-GM and I both agree on the two weaknesses you've highlighted, and we're already hard at work identifying guys who can solve those issues. For now we're pretty happy about our European Big 3 ft. Wesley Matthews (aka Iron Man).
Jose Calderon is not good enough to qualify into a big 3.
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Which on a related note, this is the longest we've ever gone in a CB Draft without a rookie drafted. Who's going first?
I would think the best two rookies are ________ ________ and ________ _______, but my guess is that the first rookie will be ________ _________.
Now that's just my opinion. Others might have different opinions.
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No love for the clippers? We have the youngest MVP ever coming back. We have a 18 and 10 guy in Blake. An absolute beast on the boards and double double machine in Nikola. And Afflalo to play D on the opposing teams best player. Oh and he avg. 16ppg on 45% from 2pt FGs and 38% from downtown. We need some more guys but thats a tough team.
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It's interesting to see you immediately point out the Lakers' reliance on savvy and smarts. I noticed this earlier and thought it was quite ironic how our cross-town rivals, the Clippers, seem to be going for the exact opposite, with walking highlight reels that thrive off athleticism.
Anyway, thanks for the write-up, and another well-deserved TP's heading your way. My super duper co-GM and I both agree on the two weaknesses you've highlighted, and we're already hard at work identifying guys who can solve those issues. For now we're pretty happy about our European Big 3 ft. Wesley Matthews (aka Iron Man).
Jose Calderon is not good enough to qualify into a big 3.
Well considering most of us only have 4 players, most of your team can easily be a "big 3"
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It's interesting to see you immediately point out the Lakers' reliance on savvy and smarts. I noticed this earlier and thought it was quite ironic how our cross-town rivals, the Clippers, seem to be going for the exact opposite, with walking highlight reels that thrive off athleticism.
Anyway, thanks for the write-up, and another well-deserved TP's heading your way. My super duper co-GM and I both agree on the two weaknesses you've highlighted, and we're already hard at work identifying guys who can solve those issues. For now we're pretty happy about our European Big 3 ft. Wesley Matthews (aka Iron Man).
Jose Calderon is not good enough to qualify into a big 3.
Well considering most of us only have 4 players, most of your team can easily be a "big 3"
They have to be "big" first. But you've got a hell of a dynamic duo.
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The Lakers remind me a lot of the Spanish National Team with Dirk in place of Pau Gasol. And I think that is fantastic because that is a brilliant basketball team.
I love how much jump-shooting that Spanish team has with Juan Carlos Navarro and Rudy Fernandez on the wing. That is a real strength for their team in terms of spacing and allowing that extra fluidity to their lineup. Makes it so difficult to send help defenders over on the pick and roll or in post ups with either of the Gasol brothers. With Dirk there instead of Pau Gasol, that jump-shooting threat has a chance to jump to a whole other level. So I would be looking for a two-way SF. A good defender and outside shooter.
This has a chance to be a very special team.
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Which on a related note, this is the longest we've ever gone in a CB Draft without a rookie picked. Who's going first?
I think a certain Orlando guard will go soon
pretty highely touted, defensive pitbull and learning the point
I think he will be the first rook to go
unless someone thinks _____________ will be dirk 2.0 and gets him
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West- Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Phoenix
Rebuttal.
Golden State doesn't have the talent at the top that San Antonio does. And who's passing the ball between Randolph, Lee, and Earl? Hibbert I guess. Huh.
Minnesota is getting a Lebron pass, but he's won with two All-Star scorers alongside him. Where's the offense coming from up North?
Houston is going to score a ton of points, but doesn't have a plus defender on the roster. Don't try to tell me that's Batum unless you've checked the #s.
Phoenix, admittedly has the great Duncan/West tandem. But Teague/Butler hardly raise them above the fray.
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Bleedgreen1989 , Just wanted to let you know.....
I believe I was the original CB Draft LA Lakers a few years back!!!
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West- Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Phoenix
Rebuttal.
Golden State doesn't have the talent at the top that San Antonio does. And who's passing the ball between Randolph, Lee, and Earl? Hibbert I guess. Huh.
Minnesota is getting a Lebron pass, but he's won with two All-Star scorers alongside him. Where's the offense coming from up North?
Houston is going to score a ton of points, but doesn't have a plus defender on the roster. Don't try to tell me that's Batum unless you've checked the #s.
Phoenix, admittedly has the great Duncan/West tandem. But Teague/Butler hardly raise them above the fray.
You could also argue that the Clippers could beat any of these teams on any given night ....obviously dont have our starting 5 but we will
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Going ahead, team has some choices to make, the Lakers need a player who can get at the rim and get to the line, they also need either a mobile back-up power forward or a quick, defensive-minded point guard.
I wouldn't worry about the FT thing. This Lakers team is going to be elite in terms of low turnovers, FG% and overall scoring efficiency. No need to upset the current offensive flow trying to force someone in there who can get to the line.
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Jose Calderon is not good enough to qualify into a big 3.
You know what I meant...
Considering the nature of the draft, it'd be really hard to form a legitimate big 3. Just imagine if we could have Batum at SG and Gallo at SF.
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Jose Calderon is not good enough to qualify into a big 3.
You know what I meant...
Considering the nature of the draft, it'd be really hard to form a legitimate big 3. Just imagine if we could pick up Batum and... __________? Can't think of any other Euro SGs...
EDIT: Batum at SG and Gallo at SF? Ballinnnnnn
them lakers are goin euro
so is dallas ;D
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
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Golden State doesn't have the talent at the top that San Antonio does.
Funny. Lets let the rosters round themselves out big guy.
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Boston Celtics
Irving | Gordon | Gasol | Kanter | Splitter
It all started with the Kyrie/Pau combo, which is a nasty offensive combo. Splitter is a competent starting caliber center, although I feel he's still a step behind in the NBA game. The big questions marks are easy: Gordon and Kanter. With Gordon, you have a guy who has missed nearly as many games percentage-wise as Bynum. The big difference is that Bynum has demonstrated he can be a game-changer, while Gordon has only shown the potential to. With Kanter, you have a super promising young center, and someone that I'm very sold on, but I'm not so sure if others feel as confidently about the big Turk. Since Splitter is around, I'd imagine Kanter will be getting shopped, but again, his lack of a track record may make it tough getting fair value for a guy who was arguably overdrafted all the way up in the 3rd round. Realistically, you guys might have to consider shopping Splitter - or, in a worst case scenario, make your 3rd round pick a 20 minute bench player.
Having only gone through 4 rounds, it's obvious that no team is near being a finished product, but this team figures to be especially behind in the pack. The Kyrie/Gordon/Pau core has limitless potential on the offensive end, but defense, along with Gordon's health, are glaring flaws. It'll be a challenge navigating the center dilemma, too. Considering the guys at the helm, I'm quite interested in seeing how this all unfolds.
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Golden State doesn't have the talent at the top that San Antonio does.
Funny. Lets let the rosters round themselves out big guy.
Denver is going to join this big man Free for All. We got a very good faction here. Now the only thing we need is an entrance theme, and a manager.
I dont think any of our bigs can cut a promo on their own.
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So here are my really, really early, and completely subject to change, favorites.
East- Atlanta, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago
West- Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Phoenix
Thanks for the respect.
I have to say, I love your team. Conley's always been a personal favorite of mine; I want to get his jersey. Nobody can deny George is a special player. Ryno is a nice piece. And you stole Redick from me ;).
Find yourself a sturdy defensive center and you're right up there with these other favorites in my book.
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Still looking to pick up an additional (top 12) 5th. Offering 6.19 and 7.7 for a 5th and 9th.
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Still looking to pick up an additional (top 12) 5th. Offering 6.19 and 7.7 for a 5th and 9th.
Didn't IP already cut your legs out, only to have both of you guys get undercut by my offer of my 5.12 (and other picks) for an early 5th?
Cuz yeah, that offer still stands :P
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Still looking to pick up an additional (top 12) 5th. Offering 6.19 and 7.7 for a 5th and 9th.
Didn't IP already cut your legs out, only to have both of you guys get undercut by my offer of my 5.12 (and other picks) for an early 5th?
Cuz yeah, that offer still stands :P
I upped it from my 8th to my 7th since IP's offer.
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Still looking to pick up an additional (top 12) 5th. Offering 6.19 and 7.7 for a 5th and 9th.
Didn't IP already cut your legs out, only to have both of you guys get undercut by my offer of my 5.12 (and other picks) for an early 5th?
Cuz yeah, that offer still stands :P
Well, Lakers have 2 seventh rounders and 5.14 up for grabs. C'mon folks, we're the Lakers! We've NEVER ripped anyone off! ;)
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Really no love for the clips?
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
Nice. Now make a funny joke.
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Really no love for the clips?
You gotta give love to get love. Talk about some other teams.
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
Nice. Now make a funny joke.
Why Edgar cross the road?
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Really no love for the clips?
You gotta give love to get love. Talk about some other teams.
Sorry been on phone all day. So haven't caught much will give more insight soon
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
Nice. Now make a funny joke.
Why Edgar cross the road?
Edgar can't cross roads.
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
Nice. Now make a funny joke.
Why Edgar cross the road?
To avoid KG's Knee
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Really no love for the clips?
It's always nice to have a guy like Derrick Rose on your team, but I'm not as excited about your other star. Blake is glorified; he'll be an incredibly entertaining pair with Rose, but nothing can overcome the fact that he has not improved, and arguably got worse, in 3 years in the league.
Vucevic is an interesting complement in the frontcourt, because his ability in the mid-range means Blake can focus staying down low. Defensively, however, you have two very porous defenders in the middle; considering the frontcourts in the West, this is going to get your team in serious trouble.
As for Afflalo, his lock-down defense will be valuable, but I really like his offensive game alongside Rose, too; Afflalo showed last year that he's just not great at creating his own shot, and his 3PT% took a huge nosedive. With Rose's ability to collapse defenses, Afflalo will benefit greatly. The backcourt seems solid.
It's definitely a good start so far, but then again you could say the same for a lot of teams. Personally I've been very impressed with my first ever CB draft.
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Really no love for the clips?
It's always nice to have a guy like Derrick Rose on your team, but I'm not as excited about your other star. Blake is glorified; he'll be an incredibly entertaining pair with Rose, but nothing can overcome the fact that he has not improved, and arguably got worse, in 3 years in the league.
Vucevic is an interesting complement in the frontcourt, because his ability in the mid-range means Blake can focus staying down low. Defensively, however, you have two very porous defenders in the middle; considering the frontcourts in the West, this is going to get your team in serious trouble.
As for Afflalo, his lock-down defense will be valuable, but I really like his offensive game alongside Rose, too; Afflalo showed last year that he's just not great at creating his own shot, and his 3PT% took a huge nosedive. With Rose's ability to collapse defenses, Afflalo will benefit greatly. The backcourt seems solid.
Yes we want to add another big to help because the west has very strong front courts. As for blake getting worse? I'd say his scoring is down cause guys like Crawford cp3 and Butler. Jordan playing more meant less rebounds. So because his team is better doesn't mean he is worse then bedore. When players have a better team the numbers usually drop doesn't make that player worse.
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Boston Celtics
Irving | Gordon | Gasol | Kanter | Splitter
It all started with the Kyrie/Pau combo, which is a nasty offensive combo. Splitter is a competent starting caliber center, although I feel he's still a step behind in the NBA game. The big questions marks are easy: Gordon and Kanter. With Gordon, you have a guy who has missed nearly as many games percentage-wise as Bynum. The big difference is that Bynum has demonstrated he can be a game-changer, while Gordon has only shown the potential to. With Kanter, you have a super promising young center, and someone that I'm very sold on, but I'm not so sure if others feel as confidently about the big Turk. Since Splitter is around, I'd imagine Kanter will be getting shopped, but again, his lack of a track record may make it tough getting fair value for a guy who was arguably overdrafted all the way up in the 3rd round. Realistically, you guys might have to consider shopping Splitter - or, in a worst case scenario, make your 3rd round pick a 20 minute bench player.
Having only gone through 4 rounds, it's obvious that no team is near being a finished product, but this team figures to be especially behind in the pack. The Kyrie/Gordon/Pau core has limitless potential on the offensive end, but defense, along with Gordon's health, are glaring flaws. It'll be a challenge navigating the center dilemma, too. Considering the guys at the helm, I'm quite interested in seeing how this all unfolds.
I don't have access to the synergy stats from my phone but...as far as defense, and Tiago Splitter goes:
Tiago On the court Spurs Points allowed per 100 possessions: 99.2
Tiago Off the court Spurs Points Allowed per 100 possessions: 105.5
Spurs also scored better with Splitter on the court.
Gasol On the court Memphis points allowed per 100 possessions: 99.2
Gasol off the court Memphis points allowed per 100 possessions: 105.9
Now Im just a common cave man. Your fire and iPads FRIGHTEN me. What is that little device? Is there a demon trapped inside that makes those birds so angry they have to attack those pigs?
But to me, those numbers look awfully similar. Obviously Gasol's the better defender, but...they do look very similar..
Kanter also, with a far, far, FAAARR worse supporting cast was an on/off the court difference of 7.8 points.
Not seeing the defensive question marks you are, at least from my POV.
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Really no love for the clips?
As I've said before, I love the Rose/Blake combo. Certainly good for more than a few SC top 10 plays.
Aflallo was a nice pickup. A great fit next to Rose. Solid defender, and can hit the three. Not as high on Vucevic. Although he was definitely the best big available (he fell a while), he's not the best fit next to Blake. You'd have been better suited with a stronger team defender.
Still, you've got a great core and you're sure to make the playoffs, unless you make a very dumb trade.
Now do Cleveland ;D
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Really no love for the clips?
As I've said before, I love the Rose/Blake combo. Certainly good for more than a few SC top 10 plays.
Aflallo was a nice pickup. A great fit next to Rose. Solid defender, and can hit the three. Not as high on Vucevic. Although he was definitely the best big available (he fell a while), he's not the best fit next to Blake. You'd have been better suited with a stronger team defender.
Still, you've got a great core and you're sure to make the playoffs, unless you make a very dumb trade.
Now do Cleveland ;D
I like the team defense. Although I think you need to add some shooting and another big. KG isn't getting any younger and ty and horford won't be able to carry the scoring load. Defense is definitely were this team hangs its hat. Interested who else you'll add.
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Now do Cleveland ;D
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Yes we want to add another big to help because the west has very strong front courts. As for blake getting worse? I'd say his scoring is down cause guys like Crawford cp3 and Butler. Jordan playing more meant less rebounds. So because his team is better doesn't mean he is worse then bedore. When players have a better team the numbers usually drop doesn't make that player worse.
His rebounding has definitely gotten worse and you can't attribute it to his teammates. You're seriously going to accredit his rebounding decline to Deandre Jordan? I mean, rebounding might be his strength, but come on now... Blake's positioning has gotten a lot worse, and he often seems more interested in wrestling with his opponent rather than establishing position with a purpose. Blake's rebounding rate has declined gradually in each year. There's a lot more to it than simply being surrounded with better talent.
Besides, getting worse in one aspect of the game isn't as concerning as his complete lack of improvement anywhere else...
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Not seeing the defensive question marks you are, at least from my POV.
To be fair, I only attributed bad defense to the Kyrie/Gordon/Pau core. Even at his age (and his injury woes last season), Pau remains a pretty reliable defender at his position. However, Kyrie and Gordon? I'm not even sure there's a debate there...
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West- Golden State, Houston, Minnesota, Phoenix
Rebuttal.
Golden State doesn't have the talent at the top that San Antonio does. And who's passing the ball between Randolph, Lee, and Earl? Hibbert I guess. Huh.
Minnesota is getting a Lebron pass, but he's won with two All-Star scorers alongside him. Where's the offense coming from up North?
Houston is going to score a ton of points, but doesn't have a plus defender on the roster. Don't try to tell me that's Batum unless you've checked the #s.
Phoenix, admittedly has the great Duncan/West tandem. But Teague/Butler hardly raise them above the fray.
Memphis & the Spurs rool!
Other teams drool!
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Not seeing the defensive question marks you are, at least from my POV.
To be fair, I only attributed bad defense to the Kyrie/Gordon/Pau core. Even at his age (and his injury woes last season), Pau remains a pretty reliable defender at his position. However, Kyrie and Gordon? I'm not even sure there's a debate there...
That's interesting. Kyrie Irving, terrible defender. Alledgedly a big reason why Byron Scott got fired.
But Gordon used to have a rep as a potential perennial stopper. Even last season (http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH6.HTM#bypos) his opposing assignment had a PER below average (12.8), and Id say his biggest knock since leaving LA in the CP3 trade has been his effort level. Everything we're reading this offseason seems to indicate that he's at least appearing to be done pouting.
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Remember guys...long time CB Draft rule.
1. DO NOT TALK ABOUT CB DRAFT....
Wrong game.
1. DO NOT NAME NAMES OF PLAYERS NOT CHOSEN YET!!!
Nice. Now make a funny joke.
Sorry, they aren't all laugh riots but we all can't be quick witted, pop culture plugged in, silver tongued devils like yourself IP.
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That's interesting. Kyrie Irving, terrible defender. Alledgedly a big reason why Byron Scott got fired.
But Gordon used to have a rep as a potential perennial stopper. Even last season (http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH6.HTM#bypos) his opposing assignment had a PER below average (12.8), and Id say his biggest knock since leaving LA in the CP3 trade has been his effort level. Everything we're reading this offseason seems to indicate that he's at least appearing to be done pouting.
Hmm, the PER stat is definitely interesting considering his DRTG, Synergy ranking, and every other defensive metric rates Gordon as a very bad defensive player. Furthermore, having been pretty exposed to the Clippers being in SoCal (and suffering through the years where Mardy Collins was one of the Clippers' best players), I have never heard of Gordon being deemed a perennial stopper. Everyone was getting hyped about his scoring potential, but defense? Not so much...
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That's interesting. Kyrie Irving, terrible defender. Alledgedly a big reason why Byron Scott got fired.
But Gordon used to have a rep as a potential perennial stopper. Even last season (http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH6.HTM#bypos) his opposing assignment had a PER below average (12.8), and Id say his biggest knock since leaving LA in the CP3 trade has been his effort level. Everything we're reading this offseason seems to indicate that he's at least appearing to be done pouting.
Hmm, the PER stat is definitely interesting considering his DRTG, Synergy ranking, and every other defensive metric rates Gordon as a very bad defensive player. Furthermore, having been pretty exposed to the Clippers being in SoCal (and suffering through the years where Mardy Collins was one of the Clippers' best players), I have never heard of Gordon being deemed a perennial stopper. Everyone was getting hyped about his scoring potential, but defense? Not so much...
Well in 10' and 11' his points allowed per possession (against opposing 2s) was among the league's best.
Then he got traded and injured and..well you know the story.
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TRADE
Washington sends: 5.1 and 9.1
Milwaukee sends: 5.12 and 7.12
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From Jan 2012
I'm more excited by Eric Gordon, the defender, than I am by Eric Gordon, the scorer. This was, a year ago, a chillingly strong individual defensive player on the perimeter.
Gordon's strongest aspect of isolation defense was his hands. Opponents turned the ball over to Gordon on almost 25% of the 97 instances that he was isolated defensively. Gordon's a gambler in this sense, but in a very different fashion than we've been accustomed to. Where Chris Paul gambled for steals at the expense of penetration, Eric Gordon very rarely swiped unless he was completely set in front of an offensive player and able to react laterally if he missed. His gambling came more in the form of personal fouls; while his overall foul count (2.3 pf/36 minutes) was tiny, the majority of his more egregious fouls came in this setting. Ultimately, Gordon's rate of a foul and a half per steal was a tradeoff worth making, even if it's worth keeping an eye on in late shot clock situations going forward.
As with everything defensive, it all starts with foot speed, evident here against the Suns' Steve Nash.
He shifts Nash towards one side, presumably the one from which help is scheduled to arrive, but even when it doesn't, he's easily able to keep Nash away from the rim.
Follow that up with one my favorite defensive sequences by any player ever:
When he was healthy last season, Gordon routinely matched up against the best opposing perimeter players - Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, and so forth. Gordon was as close to becoming a lockdown, first choice perimeter defender last season as he was a top-level scoring option. In isolation situations, opponents shot 15 for 60 (25%) and in spot-up scenarios, they shot 47-161 (29%).
And that's what makes the 2012-2014 New Orleans Hornets so [dang] intriguing defensively if they can land a game changing big in the draft. In Gordon and Trevor Ariza, the Hornets potentially have two lock-down perimeter defenders in the starting lineup. If they can pair Emeka Okafor with a strong defensive presence this summer? That currently impossible looking jump to +6 suddenly becomes a lot more realistic. Jarrett Jack, sizable enough to be switched off regularly, can easily be hidden in the presence of two elite isolation defenders.
Eric Gordon the defender is equally as valuable as Eric Gordon the scorer; for players seeking max deals coming off rookie contracts, it's a rare trait.
There are some YouTube clips embedded in there I missed, but you get the point.
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TRADE
Washington sends: 5.1 and 9.1
Milwaukee sends: 5.12 and 7.12
What is with teams not responding to the Lakers' PMs...
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Thoughts on Portland:
Melo, Deng, Joe Johnson, Bynum
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Thoughts on Portland:
Melo, Deng, Joe Johnson, Bynum
I like it. Kinda. Not Bynum, and that'll probably hold you back significantly, but Joe Johnson/Luol Deng/Melo is a 2/3/4 to be just frightened of. There really isn't another way to say it.
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Not seeing the defensive question marks you are, at least from my POV.
To be fair, I only attributed bad defense to the Kyrie/Gordon/Pau core. Even at his age (and his injury woes last season), Pau remains a pretty reliable defender at his position. However, Kyrie and Gordon? I'm not even sure there's a debate there...
That's interesting. Kyrie Irving, terrible defender. Alledgedly a big reason why Byron Scott got fired.
But Gordon used to have a rep as a potential perennial stopper. Even last season (http://www.82games.com/1213/12NOH6.HTM#bypos) his opposing assignment had a PER below average (12.8), and Id say his biggest knock since leaving LA in the CP3 trade has been his effort level. Everything we're reading this offseason seems to indicate that he's at least appearing to be done pouting.
Are you conceding Kyrie is a terrible defender?
I think you're selling your own guy short. His synergy numbers put him in the top-third of all defenders. He had an excellent defensive reputation in high school and college.
It's hard to blame either Irving or Scott for that defense not being better, at least after Varejao went down. Kyrie's defense would look a lot better if he had any interior or wing help at all.
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I'll take Tyreke Evans with my overdue 4th round selection. I think he's pretty clearly the best value available, and might have been a justifiable selection at 4.10 anyway.
Big props on the late round selections of Eric Gordon, Anderson Varejao, and Andrew Bogut. Those are huge upside picks that I had flagged as targets for this round. If you get a healthy season out of one of those players, it's a humungous value.
My sincere apologies to you guys I see who offered the trade-down. I am traveling and had to make a last-minute change of plans to a venue with no internet for miles. I wish I could have taken you up on it, but at least you got a 1-slot advantage in compensation =)
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I'll take Tyreke Evans with my overdue 4th round selection. I think he's pretty clearly the best value available, and might have been a justifiable selection at 4.10 anyway.
Big props on the late round selections of Eric Gordon, Anderson Varejao, and Andrew Bogut. Those are huge upside picks that I had flagged as targets for this round. If you get a healthy season out of one of those players, it's a humungous value.
My sincere apologies to you guys I see who offered the trade-down. I am traveling and had to make a last-minute change of plans to a venue with no internet for miles. I wish I could have taken you up on it, but at least you got a 1-slot advantage in compensation =)
Good pick
Good value for the end of 4th round
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Thoughts on Portland:
Melo, Deng, Joe Johnson, Bynum
It is an interesting - and tall - lineup. My only worry is that all of these guys are primary or secondary scorers on their respective teams and there are only so many shots to go around.
Luckily convincing fake Joe Johnson to camp at the 3 pt line, fake Andrew Bynum to crash the glass, fake Luol Deng to settle for the third banana role, and fake Carmelo to take less shots and use his passing skills from the elbow/high post to get his teammates involved shouldn't be too hard.
Defensively I think this team is a little porous. Deng is a great defender and Bynum - when healthy - can really alter some shots and is a good defensive rebounder.
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Some of my favorite teams so far (in no particular order)
Chicago: Aldridge/Chandler/Holiday/D. Green
Skills of these players complement each other very well
Cleveland: Lawson/T. Allen/Garnett/Horford
Sick defensive/passing frontcourt with sparkplug PG
Milwaukee: Conley/Redick/R. Anderson/P. George
So much shooting and I love it!
Orlando: Kobe/G. Hill/Millsap/Asik
Good complementary players to Kobe
Lakers: Calderon/W. Matthews/Nowitzki/Gasol
Seriously, Calderon/Dirk/Gasol needs to happen IRL
Clippers: Rose/Griffin/Vucevic/Afflalo
Nikola and Arron were great picks to complement the two stars
Phoenix: Teague/D. West/J. Butler/Duncan
Love the Duncan/West combo so much
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I can taste the disrespect.
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I can taste the disrespect.
Obviously, KD and Williams is a great start...
But I think even you would admit that you have more team building to do, correct?
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I can taste the disrespect.
Obviously, KD and Williams is a great start...
But I think even you would admit that you have more team building to do, correct?
Nope, In a strange reversal on conventional wisdom im going to stand pat with two players.
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I can taste the disrespect.
Obviously, KD and Williams is a great start...
But I think even you would admit that you have more team building to do, correct?
Nope, In a strange reversal on conventional wisdom im going to stand pat with two players.
This is a bold move, I like it. I'd suggest drafting nothing but assistant coaches and cheerleaders from here on out.
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I can taste the disrespect.
Obviously, KD and Williams is a great start...
But I think even you would admit that you have more team building to do, correct?
Nope, In a strange reversal on conventional wisdom im going to stand pat with two players.
This is a bold move, I like it. I'd suggest drafting nothing but assistant coaches and cheerleaders from here on out.
I like that call.
The dankest lineup would be Williams/Dick Bavetta at the 2/KD3/Tommy Heinsohn/John Salley
Veteran leadership!
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Is it 10 yet??
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Still seeing alot of quality PG's and SF's out there. Bigs and SG's seem to have plateaued in talent
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Looks like I'll be finally getting that defensive minded big I've been looking for.
Nick, you've got my list, so feel free to make the pick for me whenever, if it helps keep things moving.
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With the 1st pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
EMEKA OKAFOR
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Clippers are looking to move in to the 5th round...... PM WeMadeIt17 and I.... Please send to both
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Looking to move up in the fifth
PM me please
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Great pick KGK. You don't need any more scoring and Okafor brings the defense and rebounding you've been looking for.
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With the 1st pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
EMEKA OKAFOR
Real good pick I think
Provides a big presence and solid rebounding
Good pick
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Clippers are looking to move in to the 5th round...... PM WeMadeIt17 and I.... Please send to both
Looking to move up in the fifth
PM me please
We have pick 5.6 and 5.23... make an offer.
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Im not looking to move out of the 5th but will if the price is right.
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While we're waiting, a little light reading for everyone to peruse about the man, the myth, the mystery, Kobe "Thunderbean" Bryant.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/71835/an-intimate-night-with-kobe-bryant-and-5000-of-his-closest-friends (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/71835/an-intimate-night-with-kobe-bryant-and-5000-of-his-closest-friends)
I'm sure you've all watched the 1 hour interview special by now, but this article really fleshes things out. Enjoy!
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I think the next tier is 10-20 players (depending on your opinion) but then after that there is a sharp decline.
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PJ you are up, even if your time isn't up until 11:10.
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If we can move this quick enough so that our 140 pick can be made at 1100, that would be awesome :D
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PJ you are up, even if your time isn't up until 11:10.
Yes sir. Gauging quick interest in the pick. Send an offer my way.
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Lakers offering their 7th rounder(s) to move up into the 5th or 6th.
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With the Second Pick in the Fifth Round of the CB Draft. The New York Knicks select:
Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis will then be shipped out to the MidWest, pending confirmation of trade by League Officials.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
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With the Second Pick in the Fifth Round of the CB Draft. The New York Knicks select:
Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis will then be shipped out to the MidWest, pending confirmation of trade by League Officials.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
I was wondering when the notorious Ellis would get picked.
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Monta Ellis is great value in the fifth round.
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Denver has 5.5 being shopped, for those who are willing to move up.
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With the Second Pick in the Fifth Round of the CB Draft. The New York Knicks select:
Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis will then be shipped out to the MidWest, pending confirmation of trade by League Officials.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
Ha. I was just starting to mentally write up how poor a fit Ellis is next to Rondo. Every year, I say "I have yet to see a team that Monta would be a good fit on"... and I think that's still true.
The one team I can see Monta making sense for is Minnesota. Hopefully he's headed there.
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With the Second Pick in the Fifth Round of the CB Draft. The New York Knicks select:
Monta Ellis
Monta Ellis will then be shipped out to the MidWest, pending confirmation of trade by League Officials.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
I wonder when will Monta get some love in the boards. It seems like every who ever drafts him/acquires him has a big uphill climb in defending the pick.
I've been there too.
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You're on the clock till 11:19:59 Foulweatherfan
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Two great value picks thus far.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
Solid for a 5th round pick. I had him on my list, but be prepared to read up on his injury history quite a bit.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
I was expecting him last round with Bogut, Varejao, Bynum, and Gordon. All possible 2nd round or higher talents with injury problems dropping them down.
Just like Granger and the ones listed, if healthy, its a great pick.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
High risk high reward player
If he is healthy very good value pick
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
I was expecting him last round with bogut, Varejao, Bynum, and Gordon. All possible 2nd round or higher talents with injury problems dropping them down.
Just like Granger and the ones listed, if healthy, its a great pick.
Thought about picking him a few times myself in the earlier rounds.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
I was expecting him last round with bogut, Varejao, Bynum, and Gordon. All possible 2nd round or higher talents with injury problems dropping them down.
Just like Granger and the ones listed, if healthy, its a great pick.
What swayed me on it was that even with the injury problems last year, Amar'e was ridiculously efficient when he was on the court, with a 22 PER and .637 TS%. And he was playing basically the exact role we'll be asking of him in Orlando. In a single-year exercise where contracts don't matter, he was easily worth the risk.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
High risk high reward player
If he is healthy very good value pick
Picked at the 5th, I think the reward is so much higher than the risks. But IMO he cant be starting, he'll get killed in the voting with his knees.
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Orlando Kobes select Amar'e Stoudemire. Fire away.
High risk high reward player
If he is healthy very good value pick
Picked at the 5th, I think the reward is so much higher than the risks. But IMO he cant be starting, he'll get killed in the voting with his knees.
He won't be starting - we'll be asking him to play 25-30 minutes max as the first big off the bench.
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TRADE
New York sends: Monta Ellis and 6.24
Minnesota sends: 5.10 and 6.16
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Yeah no way can rondo and Ellis work. Where is Ellis headed?
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I like Amare, but I don't know how much I'll be valuing him in the voting. Same thing with Bynum.
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TRADE
New York sends: Monta Ellis and 6.24
Minnesota sends: 5.10 and 6.16
This makes me happy. That's the one team Ellis made sense on.
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I like Amare, but I don't know how much I'll be valuing him in the voting. Same thing with Bynum.
haha. ::)
Whoever has Bynum, go to the DKC thread where the same Roy H. doled out something like a 4 yr/$53 million contract for Bynum. smh.
(for the record I wouldn't touch Bynum with a 10 foot pole, nor allow him on any team, real or fantasy, that i had anything to do with...)
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Heat draft Steve Nash
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KC must be at the stripe instead of at the keyboard....
too soon?
wow... i don't think i've ever see two posts at the same exact time:
Heat draft Steve Nash
KC must be at the stripe instead of at the keyboard....
too soon?
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Heat draft Steve Nash
I had totally forgotten about him. Rough year or not last season, that's a value pick.
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I like Amare, but I don't know how much I'll be valuing him in the voting. Same thing with Bynum.
haha. ::)
Whoever has Bynum, go to the DKC thread where the same Roy H. doled out something like a 4 yr/$53 million contract for Bynum. smh.
(for the record I wouldn't touch Bynum with a 10 foot pole, nor allow him on any team, real or fantasy, that i had anything to do with...)
Yeah - Amar'e certainly has injury concerns, but he's not in the same league as Bynum in terms of risk at this point. Dude injured his knee bowling! The only advantage of choosing Bynum over Amar'e is youth.
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I like Amare, but I don't know how much I'll be valuing him in the voting. Same thing with Bynum.
haha. ::)
Whoever has Bynum, go to the DKC thread where the same Roy H. doled out something like a 4 yr/$53 million contract for Bynum. smh.
(for the record I wouldn't touch Bynum with a 10 foot pole, nor allow him on any team, real or fantasy, that i had anything to do with...)
riah drafted him. The same riah who has him in DKC.
DKC is a different animal. There, Cleveland is a poor free agent destination, so it has to take some risks. As we've said, we expect Bynum to be healthy for the playoffs in two out of four years. During those two years, the Cavs will be contenders.
In a one year exercise where there are no barriers to players you can acquire, I'd stay away until the 7th or 8th.
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I'm predicting this round's picks have more career All-Star selections than any round since the 2nd.
Maybe since the 1st. Probably not more selections than the 2nd.
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KC must be at the stripe instead of at the keyboard....
too soon?
wow... i don't think i've ever see two posts at the same exact time:
Heat draft Steve Nash
KC must be at the stripe instead of at the keyboard....
too soon?
Synergy baby.
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I think all the guys with injuries concerns that were chosen over the last 40-50 picks have to be judged pretty much the same way. If they are playing and playing at their level, they are excellent additions to the teams that drafted them. If they aren't healthy, its a swing and a miss for those teams.
I think you kind of have to look at them all in one light or the other when judging these things here.
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Heat draft Steve Nash
Love this for your team.
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I think all the guys with injuries concerns that were chosen over the last 40-50 picks have to be judged pretty much the same way. If they are playing and playing at their level, they are excellent additions to the teams that drafted them. If they aren't healthy, its a swing and a miss for those teams.
I think you kind of have to look at them all in one light or the other when judging these things here.
Every injury is like a snowflake. Unique special in its own way. Everyone knows that.
I'd be kinda funny if everyone just stated, "Nah, I'm pretending they never play a game."
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I like Amare, but I don't know how much I'll be valuing him in the voting. Same thing with Bynum.
haha. ::)
Whoever has Bynum, go to the DKC thread where the same Roy H. doled out something like a 4 yr/$53 million contract for Bynum. smh.
(for the record I wouldn't touch Bynum with a 10 foot pole, nor allow him on any team, real or fantasy, that i had anything to do with...)
riah drafted him. The same riah who has him in DKC.
DKC is a different animal. There, Cleveland is a poor free agent destination, so it has to take some risks. As we've said, we expect Bynum to be healthy for the playoffs in two out of four years. During those two years, the Cavs will be contenders.
In a one year exercise where there are no barriers to players you can acquire, I'd stay away until the 7th or 8th.
I know y'all are technically co-GMs or whatever.... but I honestly can't remember 5 posts from Riah in the DKC draft. And would be willing to wager all my TPs that more than 60% of the posts re: Bynum were from Riah's assistant-to-the-Gm.
But yeah, different animals... i was just saying the CBD GM could probalby find 10-20K words on why Bynums injury is worth the risk ;D
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I think all the guys with injuries concerns that were chosen over the last 40-50 picks have to be judged pretty much the same way. If they are playing and playing at their level, they are excellent additions to the teams that drafted them. If they aren't healthy, its a swing and a miss for those teams.
I think you kind of have to look at them all in one light or the other when judging these things here.
I would respectfully disagree. I think there are some subtle distinctions based upon the type of injury, the injury history, if the guy was playing at the end of last year, etc.
For instance, I have a much more optimistic view of Varejao for one season than I do for Bynum.
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Two minute warning.
Still working on a trade, but if my time is up I'll pick.
Bear with use, CBNation.
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I think all the guys with injuries concerns that were chosen over the last 40-50 picks have to be judged pretty much the same way. If they are playing and playing at their level, they are excellent additions to the teams that drafted them. If they aren't healthy, its a swing and a miss for those teams.
I think you kind of have to look at them all in one light or the other when judging these things here.
Every injury is like a snowflake. Unique special in its own way. Everyone knows that.
I'd be kinda funny if everyone just stated, "Nah, I'm pretending they never play a game."
haha i'm just pretending YOUR team's starters never play a game ;D :-*
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
LIAR
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
LIAR
Stupid vendor just called me .... but it will be turrible, don't worry.
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
Isn't this the same GC who eviscerated me once for jumping over another GM, in the name of courtesy? ;)
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TRADE
New York sends: Monta Ellis and 6.24
Minnesota sends: 5.10 and 6.16
This makes me happy. That's the one team Ellis made sense on.
Thanks Roy.
Formal announcement from Minnesota coming soon.
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
Isn't this the same GC who eviscerated me once for jumping over another GM, in the name of courtesy? ;)
In the name of Ubuntu
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
Isn't this the same GC who eviscerated me once for jumping over another GM, in the name of courtesy? ;)
.... and 4 mins later I've still not made the pick.
Yoki is a good egg...
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Andrei Kirilenko
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30 secs Yoki then i make my turrible pick.
Isn't this the same GC who eviscerated me once for jumping over another GM, in the name of courtesy? ;)
In the name of Ubuntu
Haha. Right.
Good man, GC.
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Sorry guys.
The Internet went down on the most opportune time.
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I think all the guys with injuries concerns that were chosen over the last 40-50 picks have to be judged pretty much the same way. If they are playing and playing at their level, they are excellent additions to the teams that drafted them. If they aren't healthy, its a swing and a miss for those teams.
I think you kind of have to look at them all in one light or the other when judging these things here.
I would respectfully disagree. I think there are some subtle distinctions based upon the type of injury, the injury history, if the guy was playing at the end of last year, etc.
For instance, I have a much more optimistic view of Varejao for one season than I do for Bynum.
Injuries are different for me too. Guys who have chronic issues (Amare, bynum, bogut) I feel are way less likely to produce at a high level then a first time injury guy like Rondo and Rose.
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
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I think when it comes to injuries, too many here play the gamesmanship card and their guys will be healthy and they bring reasons and articles x, y, z to the table and the other guys do the same.
Yes, every injury is different and the possibilities of each playing returning and being healthy are different. But, I have heard WAY WAY WAY to many stories about how Bynum was going to be back because of this and Varejao was going to be back because of that and Michael Redd was going to be back because of this and Bogut was going to be back because of that and and Rose was going to be because of this and Amar'e was going to be back because of this in this game only to see during the season that those things didn't happen to listen to the stories anymore.
For me, if they have an injury history, your not getting the benefit of the doubt with my vote and I'm not going to give it to some and not to others. Been burnt by this way too many times to listen to the PR regarding injuries.
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Sorry my pick is so late .... i was looking up eviscerated.
Memphis Grizzzzz turribly select Victor Oladipo
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Andrei Kirilenko
Yoki is stacked. Great pick.
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Andrei Kirilenko
Yoki is stacked. Great pick.
For Dallas, not for me.
I think when it comes to injuries, too many here play the gamesmanship card and their guys will be healthy and they bring reasons and articles x, y, z to the table and the other guys do the same.
Yes, every injury is different and the possibilities of each playing returning and being healthy are different. But, I have heard WAY WAY WAY to many stories about how Bynum was going to be back because of this and Varejao was going to be back because of that and Michael Redd was going to be back because of this and Bogut was going to be back because of that and and Rose was going to be because of this and Amar'e was going to be back because of this in this game only to see during the season that those things didn't happen to listen to the stories anymore.
For me, if they have an injury history, your not getting the benefit of the doubt with my vote and I'm not going to give it to some and not to others. Been burnt by this way too many times to listen to the PR regarding injuries.
In Andy's defense, he's playing hurt in but still managed to put up those ridiculous numbers and seemed to be coasting for an all star bid.
And then the blood clot, which is life threatening but no career threatening, so Andy is fine.
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Sorry my pick is so late .... i was looking up eviscerated.
Memphis Grizzzzz turribly select Victor Oladipo
This isn't your fault, but I won't be valuing Oladipo very high. Too many years of IP selling his rookies as the next big thing, only to see them look like... rookies.
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
Its still painfully ringing in my ears.
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Jamal Crawford
Remember when people said we couldn't score?
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
Pretty much.
Yoki's a big fat jerk face.
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And then the blood clot, which is life threatening but no career threatening, so Andy is fine.
I agree. He would have been playing late in the season / in the playoffs, if the Cavs weren't tanking. The clot was a freak injury.
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
Pretty much.
Yoki's a big fat jerk face.
Thought very hard about taking him at 5.3 but Amar'e had too much upside.
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
Pretty much.
Yoki's a big fat jerk face.
The Lakers can't get all the Euro's, BG. Selfish
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Sorry my pick is so late .... i was looking up eviscerated.
Memphis Grizzzzz turribly select Victor Oladipo
This isn't your fault, but I won't be valuing Oladipo very high. Too many years of IP selling his rookies as the next big thing, only to see them look like... rookies.
I was going to pick him at 17, from what I have seen of summer league I expect him to be rookie of the year.
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TRADE
Denver sends: Andrei Kirilenko, 9.22, 10.4
Dallas sends: 5.20, 7.20, 12.6
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And then the blood clot, which is life threatening but no career threatening, so Andy is fine.
I agree. He would have been playing late in the season / in the playoffs, if the Cavs weren't tanking. The clot was a freak injury.
I wouldn't even consider it an injury. It's a severe illness that kept him out. But at the same time, maybe kept his body fresh.
And he's my backup Center. I can build a team around Lowry and Andy and still be competitive, and that's my 2nd unit.
OHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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Sorry my pick is so late .... i was looking up eviscerated.
Memphis Grizzzzz turribly select Victor Oladipo
This isn't your fault, but I won't be valuing Oladipo very high. Too many years of IP selling his rookies as the next big thing, only to see them look like... rookies.
To be honest, I agree and usually think rookies get taken too high in CBD... but I took Oladipo b/c:
a) i think his defense and hustle translate better than other skills rookies usually bring to the table.
b) with CP3 running the show -- and with how we anticipate building out the rest of the team -- he's not going to be asked to do more than a rookie should
c) i usually never take that big a gamble, and just felt like rolling the dice on the kid. I like what I see in his game...
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From what I understand, Dallas has two trades that are in the confirmation process.
Hat tip to fitzhickey for remaking his starting lineup into one that makes a lot more sense. The other two teams involved got fair returns (even good returns), as well, so from my perspective, they seem to be the rare win-win trades.
And Dallas still has Tony Parker, which counts in their favor.
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Couple of bigs I'm surprised are still falling...
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From what I understand, Dallas has two trades that are in the confirmation process.
Never had more than one trade in the office that was not processed for a team thus far.
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Who likes the Crawford pick? I know Roy does.
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I think when it comes to injuries, too many here play the gamesmanship card and their guys will be healthy and they bring reasons and articles x, y, z to the table and the other guys do the same.
Yes, every injury is different and the possibilities of each playing returning and being healthy are different. But, I have heard WAY WAY WAY to many stories about how Bynum was going to be back because of this and Varejao was going to be back because of that and Michael Redd was going to be back because of this and Bogut was going to be back because of that and and Rose was going to be because of this and Amar'e was going to be back because of this in this game only to see during the season that those things didn't happen to listen to the stories anymore.
For me, if they have an injury history, your not getting the benefit of the doubt with my vote and I'm not going to give it to some and not to others. Been burnt by this way too many times to listen to the PR regarding injuries.
Steph Curry
Sorry my pick is so late .... i was looking up eviscerated.
Memphis Grizzzzz turribly select Victor Oladipo
This isn't your fault, but I won't be valuing Oladipo very high. Too many years of IP selling his rookies as the next big thing, only to see them look like... rookies.
Ricky Rubio
Which is really just to prepare first time GMs, nobody much concerns themselves with who was actually right or wrong after the smoke clears. Games within games.
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Who likes the Crawford pick? I know Roy does.
Yep, I do, so long as he stays in a 6th man role (which I know he will).
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Andrei Kirilenko
AND THE ROAR OF 20 GM's HURRIEDLY CROSSING A NAME OFF OF THEIR LIST IS DEAFENINGG!!!!
Pretty much.
Yoki's a big fat jerk face.
Excuse me? What's up with the name calling???
I'm a jerk face but I'm not fat. You hurt my feelings BG. ;D
Back to topic. Crawford is a really good pick. I guess it's too mush of a wish to have him drop 5.20.
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Who likes the Crawford pick? I know Roy does.
The real 6th man of the year. Good pick.
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Lakers still looking to aqcuire a mid-late 5th rounder.
Stop boycotting the Lakers and talk to us...
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Anyone seen CFF online today?
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TruthFot you can pick anytime you want as CFF 's time has passed
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TruthFot you can pick anytime you want as CFF 's time has passed
OJ "buckets" Mayo
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Detroit selects Dion Waiters
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TruthFot you can pick anytime you want as CFF 's time has passed
OJ "buckets" Mayo
Argh.... One selection away... Just one away!! Dang you.
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Very quietlt Truth has put together an extremely solid Phoenix squad
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With the 10th pick in round five the New York Knicks will finally make a pick that they keep.
We are excited to select the spot up shooting, floor spacing ability, and straight up scoring talents of:
Kevin Martin
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
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With the 10th pick in round five the New York Knicks will finally make a pick that they keep.
We are excited to select the spot up shooting, floor spacing ability, and straight up scoring talents of:
Kevin Martin
I was surprised he lasted this long.
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Willing to move multiple picks. To get in the 5th round. Or to get a player. Or a player.
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With the 10th pick in round five the New York Knicks will finally make a pick that they keep.
We are excited to select the spot up shooting, floor spacing ability, and straight up scoring talents of:
Kevin Martin
Great pick. Fifth round is thus far returning great value, Ellis, Nash, Kirilenko, Oladipo, Mayo, Martin. I was also surprised to see Tyreke Evans nearly fall out of the fourth. He made real strides last season, maybe that was overlooked because it didn't bump up his scoring average and the Kings kept losing?
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I really do not like this run on SG, if some more get picked I might be forced to go best available with my next pick.
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Now that my morning meetings are completed...I can continue moonlighting as the fake GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves. We are happy to officially announce our acquisition of Monta Ellis.
(http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/17/47/27/4093420/3/628x471.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We were extremely happy to acquire a player of Monta's caliber in the fifth round of the CB Draft. We felt it was important to add supplementary scoring to the team - a Robin to LeBron's Batman, if you will. Monta is a lightning quick, one man fast break that knows how to score. We view him as a slightly poor-man's version of Dwyane Wade as he is a guard that thrives from scoring inside the three point line. Although he does possess shooting range out to the three, we much prefer him as a guard who presses the seams in pick-and-roll situations or in transition and takes it to the rim. He is also an exceptional passer and an aggressive defender that is annually amongst the league leaders in steals thanks to his incredible athleticism and instincts. We look forward to seeing him on the court as a member of the Timberwolves. Welcome, Monta."
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LA considering moving back. Send in your offers for 5.14
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
Thad Young is one of the more underrated players in these drafts. People are always trying to make him a 3, or if they aren't high on him for the wrong reasons, they think he's unskilled or just plain not that good.
But he's really pretty good. An elite sixth man, a pretty darn good starter, you can't hope he's gonna stretch teh floor but he does so much else, he's well worth the pick here. 15 points, 7.5 rebounds,nice.
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
Thad Young is one of the more underrated players in these drafts. People are always trying to make him a 3, or if they aren't high on him for the wrong reasons, they think he's unskilled or just plain not that good.
But he's really pretty good. An elite sixth man, a pretty darn good starter, you can't hope he's gonna stretch teh floor but he does so much else, he's well worth the pick here. 15 points, 7.5 rebounds,nice.
I was hoping Thad would still be dangling at my next pick cause I think he is pretty easily overlooked.
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With the 12th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizrds select:
AMIR JOHNSON
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With the 12th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizrds select:
AMIR JOHNSON
Wow, really thought he could of been had later. Shucks
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Like Boston the previous 3 days if Chicago wants to take until 1:30 to make their pick or work out a trade, go ahead. We are at lunch. See you in a half hour.
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With the 12th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizrds select:
AMIR JOHNSON
Wow, really thought he could of been had later. Shucks
So did I, he'd be perfect for my super bench mob.
Excellent choice.
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
Thad Young is one of the more underrated players in these drafts. People are always trying to make him a 3, or if they aren't high on him for the wrong reasons, they think he's unskilled or just plain not that good.
But he's really pretty good. An elite sixth man, a pretty darn good starter, you can't hope he's gonna stretch teh floor but he does so much else, he's well worth the pick here. 15 points, 7.5 rebounds,nice.
BPA on my board. He's the other-side of Jeff Green's coin. Durable, high character, swiss-army knife 3/4s from the 2007 draft, yet Young has been underrated throughout his career and Green overrated.
Thad is the more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, better defensively, and more careful with the ball. Green is a far better shooter. Thad is a year younger.
Shame a gutted 76ers team isn't the ideal showcase.
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
If i didn't need spacing and shooting he was the pick I wanted today. Nice
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Like Boston the previous 3 days if Chicago wants to take until 1:30 to make their pick or work out a trade, go ahead. We are at lunch. See you in a half hour.
Good. So I wont feel rushed at 5.14 due at 1:40.
Plan to take most of my time, weighing through options/offers. Apologies if somebody is in a hurry.
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Thanks Nick.
Taking offers on 5.13
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How wxcited is everyone to see Nash lobbing to Josh Smith?
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How wxcited is everyone to see Nash lobbing to Josh Smith?
Very excited. As excited as having Lillard drop 35 on him. ;D
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With the 11th pick in the 5th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Thaddeus Young
Thad Young is one of the more underrated players in these drafts. People are always trying to make him a 3, or if they aren't high on him for the wrong reasons, they think he's unskilled or just plain not that good.
But he's really pretty good. An elite sixth man, a pretty darn good starter, you can't hope he's gonna stretch teh floor but he does so much else, he's well worth the pick here. 15 points, 7.5 rebounds,nice.
BPA on my board. He's the other-side of Jeff Green's coin. Durable, high character, swiss-army knife 3/4s from the 2007 draft, yet Young has been underrated throughout his career and Green overrated.
Thad is the more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, better defensively, and more careful with the ball. Green is a far better shooter. Thad is a year younger.
Shame a gutted 76ers team isn't the ideal showcase.
How underrated is Thad? IIRC i took home at 5.1 in my first CBD in 2008 (?) and he's much better (more consistent at least) now.
Nice pick.
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
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Pick will be made in 5 minutes unless I get an intriguing offer
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
Then the team will not get a player that is as effective.
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
Then the team will not get a player that is as effective.
I dont see why not.
He will defend and crash offensive board on the other while Love is hanging outside the lane. Both of those is what Young are good at. He doesnt affect floor spacing at all with Love on the lineup, and he covers the other wing.
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
Then the team will not get a player that is as effective.
I dont see why not.
He will defend and crash offensive board on the other while Love is hanging outside the lane. Both of those is what Young are good at. He doesnt affect floor spacing at all with Love on the lineup, and he covers the other wing.
Because he so much less effective offensively at SF then PF. The 76ers don't even bother playing him there anymore.
Just because he is a smaller PF doesn't mean he can play SF effectively.
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mulling over a few offers...
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
Quietly had his best season in years. Good pickup.
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
Then the team will not get a player that is as effective.
I dont see why not.
He will defend and crash offensive board on the other while Love is hanging outside the lane. Both of those is what Young are good at. He doesnt affect floor spacing at all with Love on the lineup, and he covers the other wing.
Because he so much less effective offensively at SF then PF. The 76ers don't even bother playing him there anymore.
Just because he is a smaller PF doesn't mean he can play SF effectively.
I guess agree to disagree.
I believe the reason he plays PF in Philly is because, well, who else would? He has the physical tools to cover quick SF's. He's tough and can defend. The only knock is he's not a good shooter 20 feet and beyond, so he doesnt stretch the floor as much. But with Love, he doesnt have too.
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
Quietly had his best season in years. Good pickup.
Someone actually commented on my player/team thanks.
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I like Young as a small PF. Don't make him a power SF.
With Kevin Love in the lineup I think the Spurs can have Thad Young at SF.
Then the team will not get a player that is as effective.
I dont see why not.
He will defend and crash offensive board on the other while Love is hanging outside the lane. Both of those is what Young are good at. He doesnt affect floor spacing at all with Love on the lineup, and he covers the other wing.
Because he so much less effective offensively at SF then PF. The 76ers don't even bother playing him there anymore.
Just because he is a smaller PF doesn't mean he can play SF effectively.
I guess agree to disagree.
I believe the reason he plays PF in Philly is because, well, who else would? He has the physical tools to cover quick SF's. He's tough and can defend. The only knock is he's not a good shooter 20 feet and beyond, so he doesnt stretch the floor as much. But with Love, he doesnt have too.
Go back two years when he was splitting time between SF and PF. Compare the numbers. You will see why they made him a PF only.
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
Quietly had his best season in years. Good pickup.
Someone actually commented on my player/team thanks.
Extremely good team altogether there ron. Solid at just about every spot. No superstars but a well constructed team of players.
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LA Lakers select
Jared Dudley
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
Quietly had his best season in years. Good pickup.
Someone actually commented on my player/team thanks.
Ugh! And there goes my plan. Rough day in draft world.
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5(18) is available, let me know if you're interested.
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With 5.13 the Chicago Bulls select Shawn Marion
Quietly had his best season in years. Good pickup.
Someone actually commented on my player/team thanks.
Ugh! And there goes my plan. Rough day in draft world.
Yup. Crossed out a ton of names on my list today. Toughest day certainly
happy with Dudley though. Very smart, well rounded player. Very good defender, solid rebounder, and shot nearly 40% on 3's this season.
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Looking for a SF willing to move picks
Sorry at work right now so I'm trying my best. But again pm me.
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Since all of our targeted 3s keep getting snapped up, the Orlando Kobes will switch things up and bolster our bench by selecting:
Jarrett Jack
Jarrett will be our 3rd guard but will also start at 2 if Kobe isn't back at the beginning of the season.
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Evantime check pm.
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Since all of our targeted 3s keep getting snapped up, the Orlando Kobes will switch things up and bolster our bench by selecting:
Jarrett Jack
Jarrett will be our 3rd guard but will also start at 2 if Kobe isn't back at the beginning of the season.
PG: Jarret Jack
SG: George Hill
SF: Kobe Bryant
I would probably bring in a true SF to start for defensive purposes but I think I would finish games with those three guards on the floor together.
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Evantime check pm.
You haven't sent me one since yesterday.
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Since all of our targeted 3s keep getting snapped up, the Orlando Kobes will switch things up and bolster our bench by selecting:
Jarrett Jack
Jarrett will be our 3rd guard but will also start at 2 if Kobe isn't back at the beginning of the season.
PG: Jarret Jack
SG: George Hill
SF: Kobe Bryant
I would probably bring in a true SF to start for defensive purposes but I think I would finish games with those three guards on the floor together.
That's my plan - Jack will start the game on the bench but we'll use the GS model with frequent 3 guard lineups down the stretch.
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Thanks for drafting for me Nick. Washington happy to add Amir Johnson.
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Do we have a roster page?
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Do we have a roster page?
It is on the first page of this thread.
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Since all of our targeted 3s keep getting snapped up, the Orlando Kobes will switch things up and bolster our bench by selecting:
Jarrett Jack
Jarrett will be our 3rd guard but will also start at 2 if Kobe isn't back at the beginning of the season.
I like that pick for your team...I was looking at him, too.
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Do we have a roster page?
Roster post on the 1st page of this thread. I will be opening a "How's My CB Draft Team Look?" Thread after the draft today. Probably sometime tonight.
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Since all of our targeted 3s keep getting snapped up, the Orlando Kobes will switch things up and bolster our bench by selecting:
Jarrett Jack
Jarrett will be our 3rd guard but will also start at 2 if Kobe isn't back at the beginning of the season.
I like Jarret Jack as a player, A LOT.
With that said, I don't like the fit wiht Kobe. Jack is ball dominant, and has been effective when he's either creating the play for himself or for others. Curry flourished with Jack because he can play off ball and just spot up.
I'm not sure Kobe would like to just wait in the wings while Jack operates. At the same time, Jack's production will be limited if Kobe has the ball most of the time.
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Am I up?
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Do we have a roster page?
Roster post on the 1st page of this thread. I will be opening a "How's My CB Draft Team Look?" Thread after the draft today. Probably sometime tonight.
Sweet, more tps for Nick!
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Am I up?
I believe so.... sofutomygaha's pick was due at 2:00 but he missed yesterday's pick too (think he said he had connection issues).
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Am I up?
Yes sir
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As always we go with the best player on the board. THe 76ers select Tyreke Evans
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As always we go with the best player on the board. THe 76ers select Tyreke Evans
He was the late 4th rounder.
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As always we go with the best player on the board. THe 76ers select Tyreke Evans
He was the late 4th rounder.
Selected by the aforementioned sofutomygaha with his missed 4th round pick.
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As always we go with the best player on the board. THe 76ers select Tyreke Evans
He was the late 4th rounder.
Even though you skipped sof, he beat you to Evans by taking him early todat for his 4th rounder he missed yesterday.
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As always we go with the best player on the board. THe 76ers select Tyreke Evans
He's gone
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TRADE
Atlanta send: 5.18, 9.18
Los Angeles Clippers send: 6.11, 7.15
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All right, not sure how I missed that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is our pick then.
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Can I pick since evantime picked someone who has been picked.
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Can I pick since evantime picked someone who has been picked.
El picko bandito.
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L.A. Clippers select Demar Derozan
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L.A. Clippers select Demar Derozan
Much more appetizing player when you're not paying him.
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With the 19th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
BRANDON JENNINGS
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I really want to fill up the starting SG spot, but this player is too good to pass.
Carl Landry.
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TRADE
Atlanta send: 5.18, 9.18
Los Angeles Clippers send: 6.11, 7.15
Really LA? After our talks? Lol
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With the 19th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
BRANDON JENNINGS
Polarizing figure. I think people have started to rate him higher because they started to feel sorry for him somehow. ANyone else think this? Anyone?
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I really want to fill up the starting SG spot, but this player is too good to pass.
Carl Landry.
NOOOOOOO
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With the 19th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
BRANDON JENNINGS
Polarizing figure. I think people have started to rate him higher because they started to feel sorry for him somehow. ANyone else think this? Anyone?
I think Portland would benefit by embracing Jennings' destiny as a Jamal Crawford-type bench sparkplug, since it'll probably take a few years for the real Jennings to get there. Looks like they'll be starting him, though.
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Pearljammer check PM's.
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OKC takes Kyle Korver
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I really want to fill up the starting SG spot, but this player is too good to pass.
Carl Landry.
NOOOOOOO
Ohh yeessssss.....
Denver's bench can compete against ANY team right now.
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I really want to fill up the starting SG spot, but this player is too good to pass.
Carl Landry.
NOOOOOOO
am i the only one confounded by Landry?
I feel like he should be better --- but then remember he's a 2nd rounder who made good.
Good, not great rebounder...
I know its all about the $ but why would he go back to SAC -- the land of 1,000 PFs?
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With the 19th pick in the 5th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
BRANDON JENNINGS
Polarizing figure. I think people have started to rate him higher because they started to feel sorry for him somehow. Anyone else think this? Anyone?
Maybe it has something to do with seeing him play in the same back court with Monta Ellis for a year and a half. Perhaps people have a higher opinion of his PG skills after seeing him play side by side with one of the game's true chuckers.
I still don't love his game but I also don't think he is as bad of a chucker as he was a few years ago. And his floor general skills seemed to have improved.
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OKC takes Kyle Korver
He's gonna be a handful in the lockeroom. Total primadonna.
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A deal i had lined up to move pick 5.23 fell through with the Landry selection.
So it's available, but I also have a few guys i like there so it's not urgent.
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Pearljammer, check PM's
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I really want to fill up the starting SG spot, but this player is too good to pass.
Carl Landry.
NOOOOOOO
am i the only one confounded by Landry?
I feel like he should be better --- but then remember he's a 2nd rounder who made good.
Good, not great rebounder...
I know its all about the $ but why would he go back to SAC -- the land of 1,000 PFs?
Millions of dollas, millions of dollas.
That and I think he believes he can win the starting 4 spot there.
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
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We just got a steal this late. 18ppg scorer who is extremely athletic and shot 45% from the field last year. We love how demar fits in with us.
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
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Guys I havent picked in so long. Can't you hurry up!???
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
Scary indeed.
(http://gp1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/802892/production_public/Artist/3071022/image/small/1358829141_Bear_Hawk_2.jpg)
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We just got a steal this late. 18ppg scorer who is extremely athletic and shot 45% from the field last year. We love how demar fits in with us.
I'd love DeRozan as a shooting guard if he could hit a three. Dreadful from behind the arc. Shoots about 40% from the field outside of 10 feet. Probably why he slipped a bit.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=DeMar%20DeRozan
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Yoki check those PMs
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
Scary indeed.
(http://gp1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/802892/production_public/Artist/3071022/image/small/1358829141_Bear_Hawk_2.jpg)
Yeah IP... that bear-bird hybrid will eviscerate you fool!!
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Yoki check those PMs
no not THOSE PMs Yoki... the other ones.
(sorry i'm punchy from a long week...)
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
I guess I'd better "Fly By Night" away from here. Rebus's shots keep getting "Closer To The Heart". Maybe if I make it into "The Trees" I'll be okay.
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We just got a steal this late. 18ppg scorer who is extremely athletic and shot 45% from the field last year. We love how demar fits in with us.
Nope. 10/6 in 23 minutes. Highly efficient inside outside game. Freak offensive rebounder. Showed up big in tje Playoffs. Thats a steal.
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
Scary indeed.
(http://gp1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/802892/production_public/Artist/3071022/image/small/1358829141_Bear_Hawk_2.jpg)
Yeah IP... that bear-bird hybrid will eviscerate you fool!!
It's OK. We are adding a new mascot for Lucky to ride.
(http://www.geocities.ws/paulitzlee/irishdragon.gif)
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
I guess I'd better "Fly By Night" away from here. Rebus's shots keep getting "Closer To The Heart". Maybe if I make it into "The Trees" I'll be okay.
See, this is why in my CBlog LOL poster dynasty league I'm killing it with a starting 6 of:
Champkind
IP
THE walker wiggle
Rebus
Redz(i miss the angry pickles!)
KCatthestripe
The one-and-only draft i ever really nailed...
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
I guess I'd better "Fly By Night" away from here. Rebus's shots keep getting "Closer To The Heart". Maybe if I make it into "The Trees" I'll be okay.
See, this is why in my CBlog LOL poster dynasty league I'm killing it with a starting 6 of:
Champkind
IP
THE walker wiggle
Rebus
Redz(i miss the angry pickles!)
KCatthestripe
The one-and-only draft i ever really nailed...
Once you draft Champ, the rest just falls into place, really. IP being the Wade to Champ's LeBron.
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In a last minute decision the Knicks select.... gar what do I do
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Knicks select youngster Mo Harkless
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CHECK YOUR PM's!!
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In a last minute decision the Knicks select.... gar what do I do
Trade the pick?
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Memphis is up, Im one pick away!!! so close... yet so far
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Memphis is up, Im one pick away!!! so close... yet so far
Every player on my list today has been taken the pick before my turn was up. Haha.
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While Demar works on his outside shot we have capable shooters in Derrick and aaron. And yoki. Demar wasn't in the playoffs with the raptors.
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While Demar works on his outside shot we have capable shooters in Derrick and aaron. And yoki. Demar wasn't in the playoffs with the raptors.
Thise wrere Landry's numbers I pointed out. I think he's much more of a steal than DeRozan, 18 ppg and all.
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(http://10thumbs.org/images/celticsblog/grizzz.jpg)
Thabo Sefolosha
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(http://10thumbs.org/images/celticsblog/grizzz.jpg)
Thabo Sefolosha
Overrated. He only made like 40% of his 3's last year.
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While Demar works on his outside shot we have capable shooters in Derrick and aaron. And yoki. Demar wasn't in the playoffs with the raptors.
Thise wrere Landry's numbers I pointed out. I think he's much more of a steal than DeRozan, 18 ppg and all.
Oh sorry I thought you mean demar was in the playoffs. Yes I love landry but we needed another wing and they were going fast
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A ton of great value picks today but that Mo Harkless one, yeah, that wasn't one of them.
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The Indiana Pacers Select: Luis Scola
(http://www.interbasket.net/players/scola.jpg)
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Pearljammer, check PM's
These aren't the PMs you're looking for Pearljammer.
Bear attacks are up in the past week. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attacks-rise-19993295)
Same week Gainesville Celtic took over the Grizzlies.
Coincidence? I can't afford to believe in coincidences.
Hey man, leave GC alone. If you want to take on GC, you'll have to go through me. ;D
I guess I'd better "Fly By Night" away from here. Rebus's shots keep getting "Closer To The Heart". Maybe if I make it into "The Trees" I'll be okay.
See, this is why in my CBlog LOL poster dynasty league I'm killing it with a starting 6 of:
Champkind
IP
THE walker wiggle
Rebus
Redz(i miss the angry pickles!)
KCatthestripe
The one-and-only draft i ever really nailed...
Once you draft Champ, the rest just falls into place, really. IP being the Wade to Champ's LeBron.
(http://i.imgur.com/VndOm.gif)
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Scola is a great value pick
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The Indiana Pacers Select: Luis Scola
(http://www.interbasket.net/players/scola.jpg)
Now that I've had a couple of weeks with my son, I know a poop face when i see one.
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The Indiana Pacers Select: Luis Scola
(http://www.interbasket.net/players/scola.jpg)
Now that I've had a couple of weeks with my son, I know a poop face when i see one.
Someone behind him certainly noticed.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
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Some people said it was not possible, but I was finally able to make a trade. 8) (Hate the fact that I'm off to a slow start.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
Nice.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
I think he can get away with Monroe and Landry if he had more outside talent. (the type that was already selected)
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A ton of great value picks today but that Mo Harkless one, yeah, that wasn't one of them.
Top 70 player in the league at 20 years old and round 5. I'll take that anyday.
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Minnesota has some time left but for now, the Big Board, Eligible Players, Trades and Rosters posts on the first page should be up to date, Please check and PM me any corrections I need to make.
The Coaches Round is now open and BOSTON can go ahead and select their coach anytime they want to. Just please, PM the next GM to select and let them know it is their turn.
A "How's My CB Draft Team?" thread will be opening later tonight
I have one trade in the office awaiting confirmation. I do have a life so I will be in and out all weekend and will process trades when I show up but until then, be patient and remember only one trade into the office per team at a time. Once processed and announced, you can send in another.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
Disagree completely.
Bogut played well after his ankle is "80%" healed. Varejao was playing hurt and still managed to put up ridiculous numbers until the blood clot, which should not affect his basketball play as he comes back.
That's two starting Centers, one playing on an All Star level and coming off the bench. I don't see why the need of another "starter" quality. It's highly unlikely that both of them will miss a significant amount of games at the same time. And even if one of them misses some time, I got Carl Landry, starting level PF.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
I think he can get away with Monroe and Landry if he had more outside talent. (the type that was already selected)
Landry's a better fit on Cleveland, where he'd get 30+ minutes a night and start when KG was out.
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A ton of great value picks today but that Mo Harkless one, yeah, that wasn't one of them.
Top 70 player in the league at 20 years old and round 5. I'll take that anyday.
I must be missing something.
Bad outside shooting.
His team was better offensively and defensively when he was off the floor.
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A ton of great value picks today but that Mo Harkless one, yeah, that wasn't one of them.
Top 70 player in the league at 20 years old and round 5. I'll take that anyday.
Let's just say I differ greatly on the opinion that he is a top 70 player in this league. Damian Lillard isn't a top 70 player in this league, IMHO and he won ROY last year, the same year Harkless was a rookie.
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With the final pick of the 5th round - the Minnesota Timberwolves select Avery Bradley.
(http://patbradley.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/avery-harden.jpg)
Note: The no-name rule is not in violation since Harden was taken long ago ;)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to select Avery Bradley and we welcome him to the team. His tenacious defensive attitude will allow him to mesh well with this team that thrives on defensive pressure and fast break offense. Just one season ago Avery shot nearly 50% from the field and 40% from three-point range and we are confident that he has regained his health and will return to form. He has the ability to apply extreme ball pressure which can minimize the shot clock for the opposing offense. With that being said, welcome to Minnesota, Avery."
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
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Kyle Lowry, Carl Landry, Anderson Varejao.
That's a pretty solid core of players, may not make the playoffs but would make it tough for other teams when they play 'em.
Oh wait, they're in the 2nd unit!? Those level of talent, off the bench!?
The talent is there, but you probably are the only team in the history of the CB draft that needs a starting quality third string center.
I think he can get away with Monroe and Landry if he had more outside talent. (the type that was already selected)
Landry's a better fit on Cleveland, where he'd get 30+ minutes a night and start when KG was out.
And Landry solves the injury argument the voters have on Bogut and Andy.
"What if Bogut miss games?" I got Carl Landry.
"What if Varejao miss games?" I got Carl Landry.
"What if they both miss games?" Highly unlikely but still, got Carl Landry.
"What if they both stay healthy?" Well, that's too bad for the other teams.
Come at me now with the injuries! Bwa ha ha ha
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A ton of great value picks today but that Mo Harkless one, yeah, that wasn't one of them.
Top 70 player in the league at 20 years old and round 5. I'll take that anyday.
Let's just say I differ greatly on the opinion that he is a top 70 player in this league. Damian Lillard isn't a top 70 player in this league, IMHO and he won ROY last year, the same year Harkless was a rookie.
It was either take Gerald Wallace and bank on a change of scenary jump starting his crash bones. Or take the young potential in Harkless who came on strong at the end of last season on a terrible Magic team.
I went with the young potential. Team isn't done making moves.
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Don't name names pj.
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: TBD
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: TBD
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Speaking of, would love to take feedback, suggestions, and criticism on the Knicks squad through round 5 and the first week of drafting...
PG: Rondo
SG: Martin
SF: Harkless
PF: Sanders
C: Lopez
Strengths: Defensive, especially in the front court. Rebounding. Smart PG who can feed the ball where people need it.
Weakness: Outside shooting, and floor spacing.
Have at it please folks!
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
I have 6.1 if you don't like living dangerously. ;D
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Don't name names pj.
My apologies.
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Don't name names pj.
My apologies.
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/132/1/0/Loose_Lips_Sink_Ships_by_Killer_dust_bunnies.jpg)
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: TBD
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: TBD
A feed back for a feedback?
Still need a rim protector but scoring is not going to be a problem for this bunch.
You can't really go wrong with two superstar talent in your team. But it's going to take a lot of smart drafting to fill the rest of the team up, especially the bench.
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Very quietlt Truth has put together an extremely solid Phoenix squad
Only love for Phoenix so far :'(
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/celtics/sites/celtics/files/content/images-gallery/2013/07/bradley_defend_holiday_300350.jpg?1375212216)
1.3 SPG
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/fancloud/img/9993/3144/monta_ellis_3.jpg)
2.1 SPG
(http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lebron-d.jpg)
8.0 RPG
1.7 SPG
0.9 BPG
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/957/522/114504004_display_image.jpg?1306127479)
7.7 RPG
3.0 BPG
(http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2012/m01/ox281287161861532135.jpg)
10.6 Rper36
2.0 Rper36
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: TBD
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: TBD
Think you're gonna have a big problem with quality depth. Too top heavy.
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Speaking of, would love to take feedback, suggestions, and criticism on the Knicks squad through round 5 and the first week of drafting...
PG: Rondo
SG: Martin
SF: Harkless
PF: Sanders
C: Lopez
Strengths: Defensive, especially in the front court. Rebounding. Smart PG who can feed the ball where people need it.
Weakness: Outside shooting, and floor spacing.
Have at it please folks!
A feedback for a feedback?
But then again, you already said what I'm going to. I just want to add a few snippets.
I agree about the Harkless pick, I thought you should have went with the other guy. Your bigs are also tremendous, but I worry that they may end up in foul trouble most of the times as your wings are not able to hold their man one on one.
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: TBD
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: TBD
A feed back for a feedback?
Still need a rim protector but scoring is not going to be a problem for this bunch.
You can't really go wrong with two superstar talent in your team. But it's going to take a lot of smart drafting to fill the rest of the team up, especially the bench.
Current OKC-light. Deron is a better playmaker but RW a better scorer. Probably even that out with Scola. Then again Scolas offense can;t really make up for Ibaka's D. I agree, a rim protector is needed. Offense, spacing, and 3's seemed covered.
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Pumped to have gotten scola, I have pick 6.2 so odds are you can get pretty much any player you want if you want to buy the pick, if not there are a few really intriguing options for me.
PG: Deron Williams
SG: TBD
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: TBD
Think you're gonna have a big problem with quality depth. Too top heavy.
This. You can always say "well I got Kevin Durant", but I think instead of Deron I would of gone after a big with that second 1st rounder. League is very deep at PG
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
True but then again you have two undersized guards (one better at D than the other) who will have trouble against the Joe Johnson's, D wade's, Deron William's, etc.
3-5 I really like, not sold on the 1 and 2 but solid still.
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Okay, my turn to ask for feedback.
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
TBD
Wilson Chandler
Greg Monroe / Carl Landry
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
That's a very good 8 deep already.
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Speaking of, would love to take feedback, suggestions, and criticism on the Knicks squad through round 5 and the first week of drafting...
PG: Rondo
SG: Martin
SF: Harkless
PF: Sanders
C: Lopez
Strengths: Defensive, especially in the front court. Rebounding. Smart PG who can feed the ball where people need it.
Weakness: Outside shooting, and floor spacing.
Have at it please folks!
A feedback for a feedback?
But then again, you already said what I'm going to. I just want to add a few snippets.
I agree about the Harkless pick, I thought you should have went with the other guy. Your bigs are also tremendous, but I worry that they may end up in foul trouble most of the times as your wings are not able to hold their man one on one.
Fair enough. I agree.
Feedback for feedback...You're stacked brah.
PG Lillard, Lowry
SG
SF Chandler
PF Varejo, Landry
C Bogut, Monroe
I definitely see a jogjam up front but a pretty deadly 4 man bigs rotation. I've never been as high on Chandler as most same can be said with Lowry.
You've set yourself up nicely to make trades with a couple of your big names to net a SG and a 6th man. Gotta find a lot of scoring and a shooter to round out what you've got going on IMO.
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
True but then again you have two undersized guards (one better at D than the other) who will have trouble against the Joe Johnson's, D wade's, Deron William's, etc.
3-5 I really like, not sold on the 1 and 2 but solid still.
I like my Knicks on defense as well. With the exception of Martin...Rondo, Lopez, and Sanders provides a great defensive squad with dual rim protectors. Through Harkless athleticism and wing span in the mix and thats an athletic defensive unit.
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
True but then again you have two undersized guards (one better at D than the other) who will have trouble against the Joe Johnson's, D wade's, Deron William's, etc.
3-5 I really like, not sold on the 1 and 2 but solid still.
Joe Johnson I agree with. I still need a wing defender who is between 6'5" and 6'9" to guard those type of players. Ellis and Bradley can definitely hold their own against Wade and Williams though. Ellis is 6'3" and Bradley is 6'2". Wade and Williams are more sturdily built, but thats why I have James, Ibaka, and Jordan guarding the paint.
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Speaking of, would love to take feedback, suggestions, and criticism on the Knicks squad through round 5 and the first week of drafting...
PG: Rondo
SG: Martin
SF: Harkless
PF: Sanders
C: Lopez
Strengths: Defensive, especially in the front court. Rebounding. Smart PG who can feed the ball where people need it.
Weakness: Outside shooting, and floor spacing.
Have at it please folks!
A feedback for a feedback?
But then again, you already said what I'm going to. I just want to add a few snippets.
I agree about the Harkless pick, I thought you should have went with the other guy. Your bigs are also tremendous, but I worry that they may end up in foul trouble most of the times as your wings are not able to hold their man one on one.
Fair enough. I agree.
Feedback for feedback...You're stacked brah.
PG Lillard, Lowry
SG
SF Chandler
PF Varejo, Landry
C Bogut, Monroe
I definitely see a jogjam up front but a pretty deadly 4 man bigs rotation. I've never been as high on Chandler as most same can be said with Lowry.
You've set yourself up nicely to make trades with a couple of your big names to net a SG and a 6th man. Gotta find a lot of scoring and a shooter to round out what you've got going on IMO.
I don't mind the logjam. If Landry plays less than 20 minutes so be it, but that means Bogut and Varejao are playing the minutes instead of him, which means they are healthy, which means they are ultra productive.
Landry is a very good insurance policy in case the voters use the "injury card". I have a starter level talent to plug in incase either of the two miss some games (according to voters) and not lose a ton of production.
Wilson has star talent, very underrated. And I agree with you with Lowry, not really high on him, as a starter. But off the bench, tremendous player.
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Blake Griffinis on the block for the right offer!!!
D-Rose is too, if blown away....
PM myself AND Wemadeit17
Thank you
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/celtics/sites/celtics/files/content/images-gallery/2013/07/bradley_defend_holiday_300350.jpg?1375212216)
1.3 SPG
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/fancloud/img/9993/3144/monta_ellis_3.jpg)
2.1 SPG
(http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lebron-d.jpg)
8.0 RPG
1.7 SPG
0.9 BPG
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/957/522/114504004_display_image.jpg?1306127479)
7.7 RPG
3.0 BPG
(http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2012/m01/ox281287161861532135.jpg)
10.6 Rper36
2.0 Rper36
Monta would try to steal the ball from his own teamate.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
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I am happy with the 2013 CB Wizards aka the Young Guns.
(http://forgottenflix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/young-guns.jpg)
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
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I am happy with the 2013 CB Wizards aka the Young Guns.
(http://forgottenflix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/young-guns.jpg)
10 TP's for you just for referencing Young Guns. One of my top-5 movies of all time.
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Monta would try to steal the ball from his own teamate.
LOL, best line of the day.
So funny because it's chances of it could be true are highly likely.
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Minnesota looking strong for best defensive team in the league.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/celtics/sites/celtics/files/content/images-gallery/2013/07/bradley_defend_holiday_300350.jpg?1375212216)
1.3 SPG
(https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/fancloud/img/9993/3144/monta_ellis_3.jpg)
2.1 SPG
(http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lebron-d.jpg)
8.0 RPG
1.7 SPG
0.9 BPG
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/957/522/114504004_display_image.jpg?1306127479)
7.7 RPG
3.0 BPG
(http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2012/m01/ox281287161861532135.jpg)
10.6 Rper36
2.0 Rper36
Monta would try to steal the ball from his own teamate.
Haha. True. Just a real life picture of him playing tight D though. He will get his shots - don't worry Monta.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
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I've got three game for when Lebron punches out Monta for ball hogging. ;)
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Speaking of, would love to take feedback, suggestions, and criticism on the Knicks squad through round 5 and the first week of drafting...
PG: Rondo
SG: Martin
SF: Harkless
PF: Sanders
C: Lopez
Strengths: Defensive, especially in the front court. Rebounding. Smart PG who can feed the ball where people need it.
Weakness: Outside shooting, and floor spacing.
Have at it please folks!
A feedback for a feedback?
But then again, you already said what I'm going to. I just want to add a few snippets.
I agree about the Harkless pick, I thought you should have went with the other guy. Your bigs are also tremendous, but I worry that they may end up in foul trouble most of the times as your wings are not able to hold their man one on one.
Fair enough. I agree.
Feedback for feedback...You're stacked brah.
PG Lillard, Lowry
SG
SF Chandler
PF Varejo, Landry
C Bogut, Monroe
I definitely see a jogjam up front but a pretty deadly 4 man bigs rotation. I've never been as high on Chandler as most same can be said with Lowry.
You've set yourself up nicely to make trades with a couple of your big names to net a SG and a 6th man. Gotta find a lot of scoring and a shooter to round out what you've got going on IMO.
I don't mind the logjam. If Landry plays less than 20 minutes so be it, but that means Bogut and Varejao are playing the minutes instead of him, which means they are healthy, which means they are ultra productive.
Landry is a very good insurance policy in case the voters use the "injury card". I have a starter level talent to plug in incase either of the two miss some games (according to voters) and not lose a ton of production.
Wilson has star talent, very underrated. And I agree with you with Lowry, not really high on him, as a starter. But off the bench, tremendous player.
And again I would agree with you about the logjam. Certainly not a bad problem to have at all. Especially those four players in particular. Well Done.
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Memphis Grizzzzzzzzzzzz
PG - Chris Paul
SG - Thabo Sefolosha, Victor Oladipo
SF - < TBA >
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Nikola Pekovic
Sefoloshaoladipoilyasovapekovic!
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Dons once started a quasi-retired Yao Ming and got to the WCF.
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Memphis Grizzzzzzzzzzzz
PG - Chris Paul
SG - Thabo Sefolosha, Victor Oladipo
SF - < TBA >
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Nikola Pekovic
Sefoloshaoladipoilyasovapekovic!
Reminds me of when I got CP3 two years ago. I pass the crown of "The Chris Paul Team" onto you sir.
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I've got three game for when Lebron punches out Monta for ball hogging. ;)
Haha - c'mon!
This duo is actually fairly similar to LeBron/Wade. They will have no problem getting their looks because they are options 1 & 2.
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Memphis Grizzzzzzzzzzzz
PG - Chris Paul
SG - Thabo Sefolosha, Victor Oladipo
SF - < TBA >
PF - Ersan Ilyasova
C - Nikola Pekovic
Sefoloshaoladipoilyasovapekovic!
I would start Thabo at the SF spot. It his natural position anyway. Just forced to play SG in OKC because of Durant. It'll be hard, if not impossible, to find a SF with Thabo's long distance shooting and defensive talent at this point. I think they're all gone by now. Having a shooter there at the three is very good for CP3's pick and roll game.
Not sure I would start Oladipo at SG because of his questionable outside shooting but I do think he can be relied on as a contributor. And would be very excited to see Oladipo and CP3 in the same backcourt forcing turnovers. Thabo too. Very tough perimeter defense with those three on the floor together.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Dons once started a quasi-retired Yao Ming and got to the WCF.
And that's why I'm begging for a feedback.
I will beg one for Who as well. These guys will put me in the right track.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Still think you've should stood pat with Harden and built around him but you've recovered alright. When healthy, I really like you at the 4 & 5. Interested to see how Lillard does in Year 2 but there is some potential.
Figure out your wing situation.
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Los Cavs
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
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cant find the trading block thread?
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cant find the trading block thread?
Look from your heart, Gomesfan. Not your eyes.
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cant find the trading block thread?
Look from your heart, Gomesfan. Not your eyes.
Thats not working either.....going crazy going through forums......link?
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I've got three game for when Lebron punches out Monta for ball hogging. ;)
Haha - c'mon!
This duo is actually fairly similar to LeBron/Wade. They will have no problem getting their looks because they are options 1 & 2.
I have seen Wade. I know Wade. Monta Ellis is no Wade. ;D
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
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(http://pimage5.homesandland.com/image/A05Q/5/03/A05Q973035.gif)
SG Andre Iguodala
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love
C JaVale McGee
SF/PF Thaddeus Young
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cant find the trading block thread?
Look from your heart, Gomesfan. Not your eyes.
Thats not working either.....going crazy going through forums......link?
It's under fantasy sports and in the CelticsBlog Draft section.
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I've got three game for when Lebron punches out Monta for ball hogging. ;)
Haha - c'mon!
This duo is actually fairly similar to LeBron/Wade. They will have no problem getting their looks because they are options 1 & 2.
I have seen Wade. I know Wade. Monta Ellis is no Wade. ;D
I did say fairly similar. Both undersized scoring guards that excel more from slashing than shooting.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Tp. Thanks Nick. Thanks Ron.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Wow...don't think I like that for Chicago. Much preferred the LA/Chandler combo to Lee/Chandler
But that's an overcrowded front court in GS if I've ever seen one. Plus giving up a guard and a high pick?
Odd trade from both sides really.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Whoa. That's...um...pretty big.
How do both rosters shake out after this?
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Wowwwww that's a lopsided deal. Holy moly. That is such a terrible trade for Chicago. I know Ronaldo likes rolling the dice, but that's...well that came up snake eyes.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Wowwwww that's a lopsided deal. Holy moly. That is such a terrible trade for Chicago. I know Ronaldo likes rolling the dice, but that's...well that came up snake eyes.
However you feel about the players involved, Bulls cost themselves significantly by drafting and then dealing Aldridge over selling the 1st outright.
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Wowwwww that's a lopsided deal. Holy moly. That is such a terrible trade for Chicago. I know Ronaldo likes rolling the dice, but that's...well that came up snake eyes.
However you feel about the players involved, Bulls cost themselves significantly by drafting and then dealing Aldridge over selling the 1st outright.
Without question
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Rudy ain't small either.
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As per Donoghus request
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth man: J.R Smith
I also have 2 sixth rounders.
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I don't understand and will never understand why GMs in this game trade down in quality for quantity. 95 times out of 100 if you are trading the highest pick or trading the best player in these drafts, you are losing the trade.
I don't like this trade at all for Chicago. They started with the #3 pick that could have been Harden or Paul or Howard and they traded down twice and now their best player is David Lee?!?!?!
Yeah, I guess after five rounds Chicago has a complete and deep team but teams with stars who's GMs were patient or planned well will surpass then by the end of the 7th round, IMHO.
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Dang chi town. Broke my heart
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
I disagree. I think Z-Bo accepts it.
I don't think he would for someone like say Amir Johnson. Z-Bo would lose it if that happened. But I think Z.Randolph can accept coming off the bench for LaMarcus Aldridge.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Dons once started a quasi-retired Yao Ming and got to the WCF.
82 game Yao Ming. Those were the days. CB Mods and the PRC love Yao Ming.
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In the 5th round, 6th rounders become a lot more valuable than 1st rounders I guess.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Dons once started a quasi-retired Yao Ming and got to the WCF.
82 game Yao Ming. Those were the days. Strange but true, Yao Ming, might be the only player beloved by all CB Mods.
You don't like Yao MIng? What'd he do to you, put his head through your rainbow or something?
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
I disagree. I think Z-Bo accepts it.
I don't think he would for someone like say Amir Johnson. Z-Bo would lose it if that happened. But I think Z.Randolph can accept coming off the bench for LaMarcus Aldridge.
Agree with who. C'mon Wiggle! Dude wants a ring. He's still getting his money, his minutes, and he's on a legit squad.
All three of these guys can play together and they know this. They know the bigs rotation is sound. Matchups and whoever is ballin at the moment dictates who is in at that time. They'll all contribute and they understand it takes sacrifice to win!
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Taking offers on Blake Griffin
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Rudy ain't small either.
Couldn't remember the rest of the lineup.
Rudy Gay. That is fantastic. A 6-9 240lb uber-athletic SF to go along with Roy Hibbert (7-2, 270lbs) and LaMarcus Aldridge (7-0, 260lbs). Wow!
That is going to be a nightmare to score against. I'd love to see two big physical guards who are tough defenders to round out the lineup. A top notch perimeter defense combined with that interior defense ... would make GSW a real contender for best defensive team in the league.
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Amir Johnson next to Noah? Oh man... Washington you've done well.
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
I disagree. I think Z-Bo accepts it.
I don't think he would for someone like say Amir Johnson. Z-Bo would lose it if that happened. But I think Z.Randolph can accept coming off the bench for LaMarcus Aldridge.
The point itself is up for debate. I'm sure Randolph believes he's better than Aldridge. They were teammates LMA's rookie year, and in part the trade that sent Randolph to New York was done to open up a starting role.
"If they wanted me to be where I am today, we couldn't play together," Aldridge said. "Because he's a four and I am too, and it wouldn't work out."
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Rudy ain't small either.
Couldn't remember the rest of the lineup.
Rudy Gay. That is fantastic. A 6-9 240lb uber-athletic SF to go along with Roy Hibbert (7-2, 270lbs) and LaMarcus Aldridge (7-0, 260lbs). Wow!
That is going to be a nightmare to score against. I'd love to see two big physical guards who are tough defenders to round out the lineup. A top notch perimeter defense combined with that interior defense ... would make GSW a real contender for best defensive team in the league.
Who check PMs please.
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
I disagree. I think Z-Bo accepts it.
I don't think he would for someone like say Amir Johnson. Z-Bo would lose it if that happened. But I think Z.Randolph can accept coming off the bench for LaMarcus Aldridge.
The point itself is up for debate. I'm sure Randolph believes he's better than Aldridge. They were teammates LMA's rookie year, and in part the trade that sent Randolph to New York was done to open up a starting role.
"If they wanted me to be where I am today, we couldn't play together," Aldridge said. "Because he's a four and I am too, and it wouldn't work out."
Lol well all I can say is playing a season next to the guys he did this years makes you rethinks things. It's also good that LA played center alot last year bc that's what he's playing with ZBO, the 5.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Why did Chicago didn't even try to shop Aldridge. I would have built a package around Monroe.
Dang, Chi-town.
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I now have:
3 All Stars
1 All NBA Defensive 1st Team
1 Alll NBA 3rd Team
1 Sixth Man of the Year
No one was talking about my team until this one "bad" trade. It is what it is though.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Why did Chicago didn't even try to shop Aldridge. I would have built a package around Monroe.
Dang, Chi-town.
I put himm on the trade block a couple of times and you never offered either way I wouldn't want Monroe.
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Why did Chicago didn't even try to shop Aldridge. I would have built a package around Monroe.
Dang, Chi-town.
I put himm on the trade block a couple of times and you never offered either way I wouldn't want Monroe.
Didn't see.
All the more reasons I need to get my eyes checked.
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My offer was better Ron!
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Why did Chicago didn't even try to shop Aldridge. I would have built a package around Monroe.
Dang, Chi-town.
I put himm on the trade block a couple of times and you never offered either way I wouldn't want Monroe.
In his defense, he's been saying Aldridge/Chandler were on the block pretty much since Tuesday.
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Aldridge and Hibbert is an imposing big man duo. So much size and length. Will be very difficult to play against inside. Z-Bo back to a 6th man role that he played so well earlier in his career. Very tough big man trio.
Agreed. Except there's zero chance Randolph excepts a bench role.
I disagree. I think Z-Bo accepts it.
I don't think he would for someone like say Amir Johnson. Z-Bo would lose it if that happened. But I think Z.Randolph can accept coming off the bench for LaMarcus Aldridge.
The point itself is up for debate. I'm sure Randolph believes he's better than Aldridge. They were teammates LMA's rookie year, and in part the trade that sent Randolph to New York was done to open up a starting role.
"If they wanted me to be where I am today, we couldn't play together," Aldridge said. "Because he's a four and I am too, and it wouldn't work out."
Lol well all I can say is playing a season next to the guys he did this years makes you rethinks things. It's also good that LA played center alot last year bc that's what he's playing with ZBO, the 5.
You have to give me more than that. I found an actual quote from Aldridge about Randolph, acknowledging that they couldn't comfortably co-exist - and he's the less difficult one.
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My offer was better Ron!
You're offer was no where near. You wanted me to give up my 5th.
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I had Chicago as the front runner for before that trade.
I guess there's going to be a new favorite to win that card.
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PG. ROSE
SG. AFFLALO (will guard SFs)
SF. DEROZAN
PF. GRIFFIN
C. VUCEVIC
Fun run it up the floor, dangerous team.
From an entertainment standpoint, certainly one of the best teams to watch play.
How it translates into Ws & Ls? I'm not sure yet.
Do my team Dons, please?
I could use an expert.
Dons once started a quasi-retired Yao Ming and got to the WCF.
82 game Yao Ming. Those were the days. CB Mods and the PRC love Yao Ming.
You don't like Yao MIng? What'd he do to you, put his head through your rainbow or something?
I missed most of the afternoon, but above has to be in the mix for post of the day.
Also, yes, at the time I was irate.
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I had Chicago as the front runner for before that trade.
I guess there's going to be a new favorite to win that card.
Wow I didn't think my team was that good as no one talked about it, either way I like the trade and I feel that is the most important thing. 8)
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TRADE
Golden State sends: David Lee, J.R Smith, 6.21
Chicago sends: Lamarcus Aldridge, 10.3, 11.23
Why did Chicago didn't even try to shop Aldridge. I would have built a package around Monroe.
Dang, Chi-town.
WhaaaahaaaTTT???
Oh, man Ron. Why
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I had Chicago as the front runner for before that trade.
I guess there's going to be a new favorite to win that card.
Wow I didn't think my team was that good as no one talked about it, either way I like the trade and I feel that is the most important thing. 8)
I commented on it this morning and said it was one of my favorite teams and that their skill sets meshed perfectly.
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My offer was better Ron!
You're offer was no where near. You wanted me to give up my 5th.
You were getting Al and Batum tho!
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I had Chicago as the front runner for before that trade.
I guess there's going to be a new favorite to win that card.
Wow I didn't think my team was that good as no one talked about it, either way I like the trade and I feel that is the most important thing. 8)
From my end, you got significantly worse (LMA is a franchise cornerstone, David Lee is just a good player) at the top of your rotation, gained a bench star in JR Smith as a position where you didn't really need amazing depth. By the end of round 6 you might be a well-rounded team, but basketball is one of those games where trading a 3 for three 1's isn't equal value.
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I had Chicago as the front runner for before that trade.
I guess there's going to be a new favorite to win that card.
Wow I didn't think my team was that good as no one talked about it, either way I like the trade and I feel that is the most important thing. 8)
From my end, you got significantly worse (LMA is a franchise cornerstone, David Lee is just a good player) at the top of your rotation, gained a bench star in JR Smith as a position where you didn't really need amazing depth. By the end of round 6 you might be a well-rounded team, but basketball is one of those games where trading a 3 for three 1's isn't equal value.
When people talk BADLY about your team or DON'T talk about it and you know its a solid team, then you know you have a good team and they dont want to help hype your team up!!!!!!!
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I would rather have people not talking about my team than talking about them because I lost significant talent in a "trade down in value" trade. You can always get them to talk about your team later on.
And as IP wisely stated, and he should know given he's been to like the last 3 or 4 straight Finals in this game, trading a 3 for three 1's is not equal value. Trading down 20 spots in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round does not equal trading up two rounds from the 6th, 7th or 8th rounds. It just doesn't, especially around where the middle of talent tiers lay.
That's how I did my Big Board pre-draft when I was playing. I made tiers and then saw where the cut offs looked like they were going to fall and tried to work trades moving up in tiers, not rounds. There's a big difference when you do that.
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I would rather have people not talking about my team than talking about them because I lost significant talent in a "trade down in value" trade. You can always get them to talk about your team later on.
And as IP wisely stated, and he should know given he's been to like the last 3 or 4 straight Finals in this game, trading a 3 for three 1's is not equal value. Trading down 20 spots in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round does not equal trading up two rounds from the 6th, 7th or 8th rounds. It just doesn't, especially around where the middle of talent tiers.
That's how I did my Big Board pre-draft when I was playing. I made tiers and then saw where the cut offs looked like they were going to fall and tried to work trades moving up in tiers, not rounds. There's a big difference when you do that.
Dang....You don't have kids do you? If you do you only have one!!!
TP for all that work and the work your doing now!
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Hahahaha, gomesfan. I laughed out loud.
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I would rather have people not talking about my team than talking about them because I lost significant talent in a "trade down in value" trade. You can always get them to talk about your team later on.
And as IP wisely stated, and he should know given he's been to like the last 3 or 4 straight Finals in this game, trading a 3 for three 1's is not equal value. Trading down 20 spots in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round does not equal trading up two rounds from the 6th, 7th or 8th rounds. It just doesn't, especially around where the middle of talent tiers.
That's how I did my Big Board pre-draft when I was playing. I made tiers and then saw where the cut offs looked like they were going to fall and tried to work trades moving up in tiers, not rounds. There's a big difference when you do that.
Dang....You don't have kids do you? If you do you only have one!!!
TP for all that work and the work your doing now!
Three kids, but they are all men now and probably older than a bunch of people GMing in this draft.
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I now have:
3 All Stars
1 All NBA Defensive 1st Team
1 Alll NBA 3rd Team
1 Sixth Man of the Year
No one was talking about my team until this one "bad" trade. It is what it is though.
Honestly Ron, you can't say nobody was talking about your team.
I called Aldridge a top 10 player, and was called essentially crazy. Yet, look at the reaction now, and it's obvious how highly most rate him. He's that good.
I also stated, just yesterday, you were in my top 4 in the East. Now, I think your good (still in playoffs), but just another team in the toughest division in the league (sorry).
Let's compare...
Conley---Holiday
Redick---Green
George---Marion
Anderson---Lee
Okafor---Chandler
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I now have:
3 All Stars
1 All NBA Defensive 1st Team
1 Alll NBA 3rd Team
1 Sixth Man of the Year
No one was talking about my team until this one "bad" trade. It is what it is though.
Honestly Ron, you can't say nobody was talking about your team.
I called Aldridge a top 10 player, and was called essentially crazy. Yet, look at the reaction now, and it's obvious how highly most rate him. He's that good.
I also stated, just yesterday, you were in my top 4 in the East. Now, I think your good (still in playoffs), but just another team in the toughest division in the league (sorry).
Let's compare...
Conley---Holiday
Redick---Green
George---Marion
Anderson---Lee
Okafor---Chandler
I think Cleveland might have you both beat right now.
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Amir Johnson next to Noah? Oh man... Washington you've done well.
Thanks. I will admit to getting help from the guy below:
(http://www.weirdworm.com/img/unreal/the-10-most-egocentric-cartoon-characters/brain.jpg)
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I think Cleveland might have you both beat right now.
I had Cleveland in my top 4 too. I concede nothing, however.
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Let's compare...
Conley---Holiday
Redick---Green
George---Marion
Anderson---Lee
Okafor---Chandler
I want to play.
Conley > Holiday >>> Nobody
Iguodala >>> Green > Redick
George > Granger > Marion
Love >> Lee > Anderson
Chandler >>> Okafor ? McGee
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They were teammates LMA's rookie year, and in part the trade that sent Randolph to New York was done to open up a starting role.
"If they wanted me to be where I am today, we couldn't play together," Aldridge said. "Because he's a four and I am too, and it wouldn't work out."
Lol well all I can say is playing a season next to the guys he did this years makes you rethinks things. It's also good that LA played center alot last year bc that's what he's playing with ZBO, the 5.
You have to give me more than that. I found an actual quote from Aldridge about Randolph, acknowledging that they couldn't comfortably co-exist - and he's the less difficult one.
Aldridge is saying that he wouldn't have been able to become the player he is today if Portland hadn't of traded Zach Randolph at that time. Because he wouldn't have had the playing time he needed to grow.
A lot like Kanter and Favors needed Big Al and/or Millsap to leave in order to free up enough playing time and responsibility within the team for them to grow properly.
I'm sure Randolph believes he's better than Aldridge.
Me too. But I think Z.Randolph will have enough respect for Aldridge that he would be willing to accept it. Not for a role player like Ryan Anderson or Amir Johnson but for an All-Star caliber PF/C like Aldridge, I think Z-Bo can make his peace with that. He won't be jumping for joy about it or anything but I think he would accept it.
I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.
But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.
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They were teammates LMA's rookie year, and in part the trade that sent Randolph to New York was done to open up a starting role.
"If they wanted me to be where I am today, we couldn't play together," Aldridge said. "Because he's a four and I am too, and it wouldn't work out."
Lol well all I can say is playing a season next to the guys he did this years makes you rethinks things. It's also good that LA played center alot last year bc that's what he's playing with ZBO, the 5.
You have to give me more than that. I found an actual quote from Aldridge about Randolph, acknowledging that they couldn't comfortably co-exist - and he's the less difficult one.
Aldridge is saying that he wouldn't have been able to become the player he is today if Portland hadn't of traded Zach Randolph at that time. Because he wouldn't have had the playing time he needed to grow.
A lot like Kanter and Favors needed Big Al and/or Millsap to leave in order to free up enough playing time and responsibility within the team for them to grow properly.
I'm sure Randolph believes he's better than Aldridge.
Me too. But I think Z.Randolph will have enough respect for Aldridge that he would be willing to accept it. Not for a role player like Ryan Anderson or Amir Johnson but for an All-Star caliber PF/C like Aldridge, I think Z-Bo can make his peace with that. He won't be jumping for joy about it or anything but I think he would accept it.
I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.
But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-pocket ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.
Agree with all of the above. At 32 and, as who said, no loss to pay pocket, I think ZBo is good if it means he can win. He will still play plenty of minutes.
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Let's compare...
Conley---Holiday
Redick---Green
George---Marion
Anderson---Lee
Okafor---Chandler
I want to play.
Conley > Holiday >>> Nobody
Iguodala >>> Green > Redick
George > Granger > Marion
Love >> Lee > Anderson
Chandler >>> Okafor ? McGee
I'd have it slightly differently
Conley > Holiday (inc) Nobody
Iggy >> Green >< Redick
George >> Granger >< Marion
Love > Lee > Anderson
Chandler > Okafor >< McGee
Having Thad Young (a player I really like) offsets thing at PG (tentatively).
Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
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So my favorite pick of the round was Thabo Sefolosha.
Getting him with the 3rd to last pick in the 5th round is great value. I had him as an end of 4th round pick.
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So my favorite pick of the round was Thabo Sefolosha.
Getting him with the 3rd to last pick in the 5th round is great value. I had him as an end of 4th round pick.
Agreed, nice pick. I was going to take him at the end of the fifth, but you forced my hand on Bradley.
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
A 2 guard who can score and play off ball. Then Big man depth. Then guard depth. Your Forward depth is nice. Shooting is always good too.
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
A 2 guard who can score and play off ball. Then Big man depth. Then guard depth. Your Forward depth is nice. Shooting is always good too.
CB Draft - Roy H
And I thought he was sitting out this draft!
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Dallas Mavs
Love: Parker
Like: Faried, Gallo, Big V, AK-47
Meh: Overall fit, no SG (yet)
Offensively you won't have too much problem. Parker is world-class (although I have him just outside top 10). Gallo and Faried should be a nice complement as well. Faried will be the garbage man, which is a great player to have with Parker/Gallo. Big V can score in the post, which will only serve to bolster the "O".
Defensively, I"m not in love, which is why I question the fit. AK-47 is nice player to have come in off the bench, but you'll struggle to reasonably guard the positions where the best scorers play. SG will be tough for you. You also need to get a high level defender somewhere.
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So my favorite pick of the round was Thabo Sefolosha.
Getting him with the 3rd to last pick in the 5th round is great value. I had him as an end of 4th round pick.
One of my favourite picks too.
I would have had Thabo rated as a late 3rd, early 4th. Love Thabo.
Thabo is in the ----- ------ "no stats all star" bracket for me. One of those guys who has a huge influence on winning games without putting up big numbers.
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So my favorite pick of the round was Thabo Sefolosha.
Getting him with the 3rd to last pick in the 5th round is great value. I had him as an end of 4th round pick.
Agreed, nice pick. I was going to take him at the end of the fifth, but you forced my hand on Bradley.
Mmmm ...
PG - LeBron (defending SFs)
SG - Monta (defending PGs)
SF - Thabo (defending SGs)
PF - Ibaka
C - D.Jordan
That would have been very nice.
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Looking at my list I sent to Nick, I had Thabo 9th in the 4th round. So I actually did have him closer to the range Who states.
If I didn't get Redick, Thabo was my next choice at SG.
He really is that much of a "glue" player.
By the way, Nick deserves some TPs for his work.
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
I would start Kirilenko at PF and bring Faried off the bench as an energy/hustle guy.
PG - Tony Parker
SG -
SF - Gallinari
PF - Kirilenko
C - Valanciunas
I think Kirilenko's superior ball-handling, passing, shot-creation and jump-shooting gives your lineup a much more balanced and dangerous offensive lineup.
Kirilenko is also still a very intelligent and active team defender who is more reliable and easier to play alongside (defensively) than Faried is so I think AK-47 helps you out considerably on that end of the floor too.
I really liked the Valanciunas draft pick. I think he is going to take a large step forward next season. Showed some very good signs last year with his post game and short to midrange jump shot. Just needed some time to find his feet in this league and improve his body and I think he has made major steps with regards to both this off-season.
Tony Parker is fantastic. He was the best PG in the league last year.
Gallinari is a tough one. Injured and expected to miss half the season I believe. Rough. I love his game when healthy. A very dangerous offensive threat and an under-rated defender (being 6-10 really helps him be effective despite dodgy quickness).
Not a big Faried guy but I think he would be a great 6th man. And if you decide to start him and use AK-47 as 6th man instead, I think Kirilenko would make an excellent sixth man too. So either way you have a major difference maker off the bench.
I think Jonas with his midrange jump-shot will help open things up a bit for Faried offensively but I don't expect Jonas to be a frequent / prolific enough jump-shooter to make up for Faried's lack of offensive skill completely. Just a little bit. I also think Jonas will take a good step forward defensively now that he has a year's experience under his belt and that he will work well with Faried on that end too. A good match.
I also think Jonas will do well in the PnR game with Tony Parker. And with Gallo, AK-47 and to-be-selected SG, I think you will have good floor spacers and dribble drive threats to attack off TP's kickouts in the PnR.
I think this is a much stronger team than it might look at first appearance. And might end up being under-rated as a result. Well, once Gallo gets healthy.
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I'm open to any thoughts on Milwaukee. I do see some needs still.
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
I would start Kirilenko at PF and bring Faried off the bench as an energy/hustle guy.
This is an interesting angle, and one that is worth some thought.
Kirilenko would aid the bench more offensively, but would improve the "D" in the starting lineup.
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I'm open to any thoughts on Milwaukee. I do see some needs still.
This is my favorite team...no joke.
Add some front court depth/toughness and another guard/wing player and you are in good shape in my eyes.
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I'm open to any thoughts on Milwaukee. I do see some needs still.
This is my favorite team...no joke.
Add some front court depth/toughness and another guard/wing player and you are in good shape in my eyes.
Well TP to you then. :D
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Wanna know an odd fact about Monta Ellis?
Among starting SG's last year, he had the 4th highest defensive win shares. Ahead of Green, Iggy and Sefolosha (per bball reference).
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Wanna know an odd fact about Monta Ellis?
Among starting SG's last year, he had the 4th highest defensive win shares. Ahead of Green, Iggy and Sefolosha (per bball reference).
You act like I don't already know this ;)
My team is a tenacious defensive squad. They do have weaknesses however, but I have a handful of players to fill roles to patch those holes in the coming rounds.
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I'm open to any thoughts on Milwaukee. I do see some needs still.
This is my favorite team...no joke.
Add some front court depth/toughness and another guard/wing player and you are in good shape in my eyes.
Well TP to you then. :D
As far as your team is concerned, I'll run down position by position.
Conley: one of my favorite guards since his days at OSU. Great outside shooter, quiet leader/ball handler/great defensive instincts
Redick: sniper and not as bad defensive end as one would think, though you likely are planning to supplement him in that department
George: burgeoning star who can do it all. 3 pt shooter, slasher, defender
Anderson: elite shooting big man from 3 and mid range and solid rebounder
Emeka: I am a UConn fan - so I'm likely biased - but he was one of the best college basketball players I have ever watched at UConn. Extremely intelligent, good defender, good rebounder and a perfect fit for your team. I considered taking Monta at 4.1 (instead I took Jordan) and then targeting one of Jordan/Okafor in the fifth. My thought was that each of them were the two best big men for me team and that I could get other guards later in the draft (big men were essential given the outlook in the West). Even though I love Emeka's smarts, I liked Jordan's athleticism with my fast break team. I'm bummed he isn't on my team, but he is a perfect for for yours.
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Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
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Conley---Holiday
Redick---Green
George---Marion
Anderson---Lee
Okafor---Chandler
Conley>Holiday
Redick<Green
George>>>Marion
Anderson<<Lee
Okafor<<<Chandler
Add to the fact that I have J.R Smith coming off the bench and have 2 6th rounders to fill out most of my bench.
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Sad to see that Chicago trade. They had one of my favorite cores.
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Redick<Green
Add to the fact that I have J.R Smith coming off the bench and have 2 6th rounders to fill out most of my bench.
Nitpicking, but IMO Redick > Green.
Also remember how many times people said I'm too deep in the DKC? Same thing could happen to you here. Star power often wins out though, so I'd take LMA over what you've got now.
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Sad to see that Chicago trade. They had one of my favorite cores.
I'm sorry Roy, I really didn't know how good my team was so I decided to shop offers and personally I thought it was a great offer, but it all comes down to how people look at players.
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I would rather have people not talking about my team than talking about them because I lost significant talent in a "trade down in value" trade. You can always get them to talk about your team later on.
And as IP wisely stated, and he should know given he's been to like the last 3 or 4 straight Finals in this game, trading a 3 for three 1's is not equal value. Trading down 20 spots in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round does not equal trading up two rounds from the 6th, 7th or 8th rounds. It just doesn't, especially around where the middle of talent tiers.
That's how I did my Big Board pre-draft when I was playing. I made tiers and then saw where the cut offs looked like they were going to fall and tried to work trades moving up in tiers, not rounds. There's a big difference when you do that.
Dang....You don't have kids do you? If you do you only have one!!!
TP for all that work and the work your doing now!
Three kids, but they are all men now and probably older than a bunch of people GMing in this draft.
I have four 7 years old and younger.... So I am still running in circles and my time is almost ALL their time, but it's all worth it!
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Redick<Green
Add to the fact that I have J.R Smith coming off the bench and have 2 6th rounders to fill out most of my bench.
Also remember how many times people said I'm too deep in the DKC? Same thing could happen to you here. Star power often wins out though, so I'd take LMA over what you've got now.
I still have 3 all stars, but like how I've said before it is what it is the trade is done and this is not my full team so we will see what happens from here on out.
As for Redick>Green call me when Redick blocks LeBron twice in a playoff series. Green's defense is extremely underrated and he doesn't have the fanciest stats, but that might have to do with the fact that his team went to the Finals.
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Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.
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Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.
Thanks for the praise, and we're absolutely planning on Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Horford-Garnett playing time. However, we want to keep Craw coming off the bench; he's obviously best there. So for now, TA won't start at SF.
As for your team, I think you've surrounded Lebron extremely well. Ibaka and Monta are great fits, and Bradley and Jordan keep the defense strong. Excellent defensive team with athleticism and intelligence all around. Definitely target a longer guard to come off the bench, but other than that you're looking good.
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Seeing as how the 1st round is over and most teams have a starting 5 filed out (or a "top 5" at least), I'll do a preliminary ranking of playoff teams soon.
I'd be interested to see others', but much can still change, obviously.
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I'd have it slightly differently
Lee > Anderson
Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.
This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%
Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%
Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%
David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.
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David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.
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I'd have it slightly differently
Lee > Anderson
Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.
This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%
Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%
Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%
David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.
Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.
I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.
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David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.
He's a lot worse based on what? Based on the fact that Lamarcus got drafted 1st and Lee 3rd in a CB Draft? Last time I checked Lee was the one who made the ALL-NBA 3rd Team. Head2Head these guys are pretty much identical.
Now I'm not saying Lee is better, but to say he is a lot worse is false.
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I'd have it slightly differently
Lee > Anderson
Just saw this and it's not close especially head 2 head.
This season:
Game 1
David Lee 26 points 9 rebs 37 mins .625 FG%
Ryan Anderson 28 points 0 rebs 40 mins .364 FG%
Game 2
David Lee 20 points 11 rebs 29 mins .778 FG%
Ryan Anderson 21 points 9 rebs 28 mins .368 FG%
Game 3
David Lee 23 points 16 rebs 37 mins .600 FG%
Ryan Anderson 3 points 5 rebs 20 mins .125 FG%
David Lee is so underrated by people in this blog you would think it was his name.
I am a Lee fan. It's why I drafted him, but I also think when the coaches vote you to the All-Star game in both conferences it says a lot. Anderson can shoot, but he is not the all around player David Lee is. He is an underrated passer also.
Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
David Lee pretty much outplays him every time H2H.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=leeda02&p2=anderry01
His win share is double that of Anderson. He wins in almost all the metrics.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=leeda02&y1=2013&p2=anderry01&y2=2013
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Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.
I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.
You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.
Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.
I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.
And by the way I really do like your team KGs Knees, but I don't agree with Anderson being close to Lee.
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David Lee is not underrated. He's just a lot worse than LaMarcus Aldridge.
Fact. David Lee is a workhorse, a kind of rich man's Kris Humphries. Well, that's insulting to David Lee. He's a better version of pre-Kim Kris Humphries.
He's a hustle monster, a leader, and he's got a nifty jumper, but he's a bit of a liability defensively. He gets overpowered by 5s on defense, and out-quicked by 4s. The inverse is true for him on offense; he scores by being faster than 5s and quicker than 4s. He's a guy who you can rely on for 34 minutes 18 points and 10 boards of production. He's a nice player, a good option as a starter.
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Riding passenger for a while... comments on Cleveland will earn comments on your team.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / __________
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
I commented on your team this morning saying how much I liked it. Great defensive/passing/intelligent/complementary front court. Spark plug PG and ultimate defensive stopper backcourt. Today's selection was a great complement to Allen's game. One SG is all D, the other all-O. Could be played together if Allen is guarding SF position. Love your team.
Thanks for the praise, and we're absolutely planning on Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Horford-Garnett playing time. However, we want to keep Craw coming off the bench; he's obviously best there. So for now, TA won't start at SF.
As for your team, I think you've surrounded Lebron extremely well. Ibaka and Monta are great fits, and Bradley and Jordan keep the defense strong. Excellent defensive team with athleticism and intelligence all around. Definitely target a longer guard to come off the bench, but other than that you're looking good.
Thanks. Like I was saying before, I was targeting Thabo for his length, 3s, and defense. When I couldn't get him, I figured Bradley was a good choice to really lock down the smaller guards of the league. I know the skills/positions I need to fill and I have numerous options for those - just depends on how they come off the board. I've got 6.24, 7.25, and 8.1 coming up early next week. Those back to back picks will be great for nailing down two players I need.
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Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.
I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.
You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.
Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.
I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.
Yes, Lee had a much better overall FG%. Lee's 2pt FG % was not as greatly better, though. Anderson took, and missed a large number of three's against GS in just about every game they played. Part of that is being one of the few offensive weapons a bad New Orleans team had.
Ryno will not be a top 3 option on my team. He'll be taking wide open shots almost primarily (as a 4th or 5th option). Totally different.
Lee is a better player, neither player is likely stopping the other from scoring though.
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Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.
David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.
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Well, in 2 of those games Anderson outscored Lee.
I'm not saying Anderson is the better player, but it's much closer than you, and some others, think.
You're right he did outscore him, but did you see his FG% though.
Game 1: Outscored Lee by 2, but had to take 6 more shots.
Game 2: Outscored Lee by 1, but had to take 10 more shots.
I mean he took 16 more shots just to score 3 more points. He got outrebounded 20-9 and Lee had 8 assists while he only had 1.
Yes, Lee had a much better overall FG%. Lee's 2pt FG % was not much different, though. Anderson took, and missed a large number of three's against GS in just about every game they played. Part of that is being one of the few offensive weapons a bad New Orleans team had.
Ryno will not be a top 3 option on my team. He'll be taking wide open shots almost primarily (as a 4th or 5th option). Totally different.
Lee is a better player, neither player is likely stopping the other from scoring though.
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I love Lee and Anderson, but for different reasons. They are polar opposites as players. The problem I have is that...
Lee is an incredible rebounder and possesses great post moves (but limited shooting range and D) When GS traded him, they should have targeted a team who needed a big and acquired a guard (cough Brooklyn) because Randolph and Lee replicate eachothers skill sets, but both command starters minutes (not happening with Hibbert locking down C). Lee's ideal front court partner would be a defensive big man with a mid range shot. Chandler and Lee crowd each other whereas Chandler and LA were perfect together.
Anderson is slightly inefficient, but big men with complete range are valuable and he is an underrated rebounder. His ideal partner would be a defensive minded big who plays close to the basket ie Emeka.
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I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.
But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.
Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?
Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.
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So here is my unofficial early playoff teams(per conf). In no particular order (yes-I realize I'm biased putting my own team in).
East
Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Indiana
Miami
Milwaukee
Orlando
West
Golden State
Houston
Memphis
Minneapolis
Los Angeles Clippers
Los Angeles Lakers
Oklahoma City
Phoenix
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Nevermind.
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So here is my unofficial early playoff teams(per conf). In no particular order (yes-I realize I'm biased putting my own team in).
East
Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Indiana
Miami
Milwaukee
Orlando
West
Golden State
Houston
Memphis
Minneapolis
Los Angeles Clippers
Los Angeles Lakers
Oklahoma City
Phoenix
I know I was tooting your teams horn earlier, but I disagree. No way those three Western conference teams above me (Minnesota) would be victorious in a 7 game series against my team. Of course, the teams aren't completed - but c'mon bro! Be real!
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He said 'in no particular order'
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Dudes - KGK said very clearly his ranking is in no particular order.
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Just to reiterate, my playoff teams were in no particular rank, and listed alphabetically.
I see IP and AB beat me to it
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Just to reiterate, my playoff teams were in no particular rank, and listed alphabetically.
I see IP and AB beat me to it
Oh alright just noticed that.
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Truth be told, Minny is the favorite. How can you not be, with Bron.
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Haha. Woops. Guess I'm feeling sensitive. Or buzzed. Time to go out. Boston downtown, here I come!
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Dudes - KGK said very clearly his ranking is in no particular order.
No Denver, the deepest team in the league? That overlooking the Nuggets a little, no?
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Dudes - KGK said very clearly his ranking is in no particular order.
No Denver, the deepest team in the league? That overlooking the Nuggets a little, no?
You have a very deep team, yes. Quite lot of talent there. The front court fit is odd, though. Bogut/Monroe is the pair to start, but I just don't like Monroe as a PF as much as I do at C. Add in Bogut and Varjao's injury concerns (Bogut less now), and it's just not quite good enough in the West, which is heavy on bigs.
Also, and this is a real difference maker, depth will only get you so far, you need a better "impact" player. I actually have Dallas and Memphis ahead of Denver too.
Just my two cents
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J.J. Hickson is clearly my man here with the final pick of the round. I've gotta say I don't feel too bad about it either.
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I was wondering what people's thoughts were on Dallas?
I would start Kirilenko at PF and bring Faried off the bench as an energy/hustle guy.
PG - Tony Parker
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SF - Gallinari
PF - Kirilenko
C - Valanciunas
I think Kirilenko's superior ball-handling, passing, shot-creation and jump-shooting gives your lineup a much more balanced and dangerous offensive lineup.
Kirilenko is also still a very intelligent and active team defender who is more reliable and easier to play alongside (defensively) than Faried is so I think AK-47 helps you out considerably on that end of the floor too.
I really liked the Valanciunas draft pick. I think he is going to take a large step forward next season. Showed some very good signs last year with his post game and short to midrange jump shot. Just needed some time to find his feet in this league and improve his body and I think he has made major steps with regards to both this off-season.
Tony Parker is fantastic. He was the best PG in the league last year.
Gallinari is a tough one. Injured and expected to miss half the season I believe. Rough. I love his game when healthy. A very dangerous offensive threat and an under-rated defender (being 6-10 really helps him be effective despite dodgy quickness).
Not a big Faried guy but I think he would be a great 6th man. And if you decide to start him and use AK-47 as 6th man instead, I think Kirilenko would make an excellent sixth man too. So either way you have a major difference maker off the bench.
I think Jonas with his midrange jump-shot will help open things up a bit for Faried offensively but I don't expect Jonas to be a frequent / prolific enough jump-shooter to make up for Faried's lack of offensive skill completely. Just a little bit. I also think Jonas will take a good step forward defensively now that he has a year's experience under his belt and that he will work well with Faried on that end too. A good match.
I also think Jonas will do well in the PnR game with Tony Parker. And with Gallo, AK-47 and to-be-selected SG, I think you will have good floor spacers and dribble drive threats to attack off TP's kickouts in the PnR.
I think this is a much stronger team than it might look at first appearance. And might end up being under-rated as a result. Well, once Gallo gets healthy.
TP for the review, thanks a bunch
I'll be taking all this into consideration
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Dudes - KGK said very clearly his ranking is in no particular order.
No Denver, the deepest team in the league? That overlooking the Nuggets a little, no?
You have a very deep team, yes. Quite lot of talent there. The front court fit is odd, though. Bogut/Monroe is the pair to start, but I just don't like Monroe as a PF as much as I do at C. Add in Bogut and Varjao's injury concerns (Bogut less now), and it's just not quite good enough in the West, which is heavy on bigs.
Also, and this is a real difference maker, depth will only get you so far, you need a better "impact" player. I actually have Dallas and Memphis ahead of Denver too.
Just my two cents
I would like to counter argue and change your mind on your two pennies.
So Damian Lillard who pretty much looked like an All Star in the making in his rookie year is not a better "impact player"? And while this impact player takes a rest, Kyle Lowry takes the spot. A guy who can score and defend.
And the fit about Monroe and Bogut is a concern? Monroe made shots down low with Drummond along the paint, Bogut plays outside more than Drummond does with his high pick and roll game. Averaged 16 and 9 playing alongside a Center who has no outside game whatsoever, but found ways to score inside because of sheer skill. He's one of the best if not the best low post scorers in the NBA (you can debate Brook Lopez here). Here's a video of Monroe doing work down low, even on a congested lane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RKe-nTl52w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RKe-nTl52w)
BTW, that midrange game too, gives Bogut a ton of room to work for offensive boards, something he's really, really good at.
Bogut is also such a terrific passer that all he has to do is play on the top of the key, drag his man with him, let Monroe work down and pass it to him.
Andy playing hurt averaged 14 and 14 in 25 games before the blood clot, which is life threatening but not in any way career ending. And that level of production is coming off the bench, against opponent Centers who can't even sniff the floor for 10-15 minutes in real NBA games for obvious reasons. Bogut and Andy ensures rim protection, on any time of the game.
And as far as impact player, I got one of the more underrated ones playing at the 3. Don't believe it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJyFCW-_Lc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwJyFCW-_Lc)
And no disrespect to Dallas (especially to fitzhickey) and Memphis, but they got nothing on Denver's frontcourt. I'd like to see Ilyasova stop Monroe downlow.
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fwf, check PM, if you please.
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Emeka Okafor
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss: 103.41--ON 105.2--OFF -1.7--NET
Effective FG% Allowed: 48.4%--ON 48.2%--OFF +0.2%--NET
Offensive Rebounding: 27.6%--ON 26.0%-OFF +1.6%--NET
Defensive Rebounding: 72.5%--ON 71.1%--OFF +1.4%-NET
Total Rebounding: 50.0%--ON 48.5%--OFF +1.5%--NET
Defensive wins shares: 3.7
Defensive rating: 99
Tyson Chandler
Defense: Pts per 100 Poss: 107.4--ON 107.2--OFF +0.2-NET
Effective FG% Allowed: 51.3%-ON 50.2%-OFF +1.1%-NET
Offensive Rebounding: 30.3%--ON 24.7%--OFF +5.6%--NET
Defensive Rebounding: 73.1%--ON 70.5%--OFF +2.6%--NET
Total Rebounding: 51.7%--ON 47.6%--OFF +4.1%--NET
Defensive win shares: 2.6
Defensive rating: 104
This ignores Chandler's noticeably better offensive numbers, but wanted to point out that last year Okafor had the better defensive numbers.
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What's the synergy stats look like?
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Who's trading?
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I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.
But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.
Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?
Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.
How often does a team have the assets, payroll, or means to pull this off tho? There's a reason this is a fantasy exercise. It's not realistic to have a situation in this in the NBA. Tell me a time where another team acquired an all star that plays the same position as their all star and then they asked their original all star to take a seat for the newly acquired all star?
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Guys, Miami is coming for ya.
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Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.
David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.
So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?
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Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.
David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.
So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?
Neither.
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I also think if Z-Bo was younger it would be a much bigger difference. Not just because of maturity but because at 25-28 years old (or younger), Z-Bo's own ambition to prove himself in the league would be too much for him to accept a 6th man role over a lengthily period of time.
But at 32 years of age, having a taste of the playoffs, having real major talents around him that give him a chance at winning + with no loss to pay-packet ... I believe Z-Bo accepts that bench role.
Thirty-two, not thirty-six, and with no serious injury history to contend with. Here's the thing, give me an example of a career starter, 32-33 or younger, coming on an All-Star appearance not sn injury and accepting a bench role behind a peer player?
Otherwise, you're arguing for a first time occurrence, and you've pegged that on Z-Bo.
How often does a team have the assets, payroll, or means to pull this off tho? There's a reason this is a fantasy exercise. It's not realistic to have a situation in this in the NBA. Tell me a time where another team acquired an all star that plays the same position as their all star and then they asked their original all star to take a seat for the newly acquired all star?
Uh, maybe it's the late hour, but I'm reading the above as hurting your case.
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Missed the entire draft today but round 5 proved to be very solid. Outside of a few select picks, most of them came with great value. Unbelievably, 4 of the top names on our list all fell immediately before our pick (Martin, Young, Johnson, Marion), which really sucked beyond belief, but my awesome co-GM went ahead with the awesome pick of Jared Dudley, even though we hadn't discussed him at all prior.
Lakers shopping their 7th, and we'll take offers on anybody outside of Dirk/Marc.
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Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.
David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.
So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?
Depends on the rest of the team, but generally speaking Anderson, because he's 'cheaper'. Lee will run you a top 2 rounds selection. Anderson is a 3rd round pick at best.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Okay, so firstly, I'm clearly being held back by how short some of the memories are around here. Paul George isn't even on the same tier as Kevin Love.
ONE SEASON AGO, Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.
Paul George in his career best season finished 3rd in Defensive Rating, eighth in the league in steals (1.8 ) and outside the top 20 in every other category. 17.4 points on 41.9 FG%
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Just so you guys know, Karl Malone took Enes Kanter fishing, and helped the 21 year old boundless prospect catch his first fish.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/7uSmCehRWLp__DHjQoodLA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/malonekanter.jpg)
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ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.
Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.
78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.
He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. He's not A.C. Green, but he's also not Andrew Bynum. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.
78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.
He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.
Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?
I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
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ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.
Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.
If you're already hanging around posting pictures from the Kanter family album at 1 am (I did enjoy that snap.) you couldn't take care of this nonsense for me? I've got to come here and do it myself? Don't act like I haven't done for you.
Okay, Kevin Love was recognized by both ESPN and SI as the top power forward in the NBA. Among power forwards he ranked 1st in Points, 1st in Rebounds both offensive and defensive, 1st in FT attempted and made, 1st in Efficiency. This was 11-12 and the kid is still only twenty-four years old.
So who'd you have IP?
And follow up question, when can I reasonably expect Paul George to lead the NBA in anything?
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If healthy, Love > George.
For once I agree that one of WW's guys is being underrated.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.
78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.
He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.
Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?
I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.
Well how optimistic are you that your shooting guard, Eric Gordon can recover from his degenerative knee condition? Wade has been managing his degenerative knee condition with impressive results thus far and he's 42.
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Also I think the Bonnie Raitt song that's apropos here is "I Can't Make You Love Me."
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ONE SEASON AGO, twenty-four year old Kevin Love was the consensus top power forward in the NBA, averaging 26 PPG (4th in the NBA) on 44.8 FG%, 13.3 RPG (2nd), and 8.4 FTA per game (4th) on 82.4 FT%, while also hitting 37.2% of his three pointers.
Shinanigans. Show me my ballot. My vote counts 5 times.
If you're already hanging around posting pictures from the Kanter family album at 1 am (I did enjoy that snap.) you couldn't take care of this nonsense for me? I've got to come here and do it myself? Don't act like I haven't done for you.
Okay, Kevin Love was recognized by both ESPN and SI as the top power forward in the NBA. Among power forwards he ranked 1st in Points, 1st in Rebounds both offensive and defensive, 1st in FT attempted and made, 1st in Efficiency. This was 11-12 and the kid is still only twenty-four years old.
So who'd you have IP?
And follow up question, when can I reasonably expect Paul George to lead the NBA in anything?
Naw Im just giving you crap. Love was last season the consensus, although I personally think that his second season ending injury in as many years is a mitigating factor in giving him the honor again. The honorific was given on credit somewhat, and he's used that up for me.
But then there really aren't that many traditional 4s left. LMA is probably the one I feel best about, but his impact isn't as pronounced as Love's statistically. Lebron, Melo etc, but that's not really the point.
George's playoffs should weigh in his favor when considering him (as should Hibberts, which also..anyone seen that guy? Looks like the Big Show's Edited for profanity. Please do not do it again. child with Shawn kemp. The guy got JACKED this summer), his regular season leaves a lot to be desired offensively. But that has a lot to do with volume in his first season as a #1 option. Id expect better next season.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.
78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.
He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.
Granger's knees are a pretty decent concern though, aren't they?
I don't wanna do legwork (seewhatIdidthereHaHa) but Im pretty sure the ambiguous nature of his actual condition is fairly easily accessible. A 34 year old with degenerative knees is, as the crossover sensation Bonnie Rait would note, somethin' to talk about.
Well how optimistic are you that your shooting guard, Eric Gordon can recover from his degenerative knee condition? Wade has been managing his degenerative knee condition with impressive results thus far and he's 42.
Very actually. I always assumed Eric Gordon's season in 11-12 died of a broken heart.
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Also I think the Bonnie Raitt song that's apropos here is "I Can't Make You Love Me."
I lost it about here. Nicely played. Cuz there just aren't enough Bonnie Rait jokes anymore.
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On an night when my colds are trying to help me stay awake, I gotta say this has been pretty entertaining.
And for what it's worth, I'd take Love over George too, any day.
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Anderson pretty much stretches the floor and it's valuable but Lee can play both low and high post. Not many players can consistently do that. He led the league in double doubles also. He's a machine in that department.
I think you're interpreting win shares incorrectly there. Lee has historically played WAYY more minutes. That's part of his appeal. But Anderson's ws/48 is higher for a reason. That 'stretching the floor' ability is critical. It affects the entire offense. Hollinger called him the 'mini Dirk' for a reason. And while Anderson's fg% is lower, his ability to shoot a high volume of 3s at an efficient rate is something not a lot of guys in the NBA can do. He takes a vital post defender out of the paint, or he probably drills a 3.
David Lee is the more valuable player because he can be a second option on a pretty good but not great team. But as a 3rd or 4th option, Id rather have Anderson because he makes my more primary scorers more efficient. Lee does that, but not to the degree Anderson does.
So you're starting a team. Who you taking? Lee or Ryan?
Depends on the rest of the team, but generally speaking Anderson, because he's 'cheaper'. Lee will run you a top 2 rounds selection. Anderson is a 3rd round pick at best.
Okay, not making it all about the Spurs. IP makes a shrewd point, but he got the answer wrong. It's David Lee in the 2nd round or Ersan Ilyasova in the 3rd. It's never Ryan Anderson. What is the CB fascination with that guy anyway?
18.8 PTS/36 54.8 TS% 38.2 3PT% 7.5 REB/36 0.6 STL/36 112 DRtg Ryan Anderson
17.2 PTS/36 55.2 TS% 44.4 3PT% 9.3 REB/36 1.2 STL/36 104 DRtg Ersan Ilyasova
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
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Naw Im just giving you crap. Love was last season the consensus, although I personally think that his second season ending injury in as many years is a mitigating factor in giving him the honor again. The honorific was given on credit somewhat, and he's used that up for me.
But then there really aren't that many traditional 4s left. LMA is probably the one I feel best about, but his impact isn't as pronounced as Love's statistically. Lebron, Melo etc, but that's not really the point.
George's playoffs should weigh in his favor when considering him (as should Hibberts, which also..anyone seen that guy? Looks like the Big Show's **** child with Shawn kemp. The guy got JACKED this summer), his regular season leaves a lot to be desired offensively. But that has a lot to do with volume in his first season as a #1 option. Id expect better next season.
Okay, sure, pencil Paul in for his post-season averages of 19.2 ppg on 43 FG%. Paul George is a great player. Pick whatever splits you want, home, post-All Star, he's still not within spitting distance of Love's output or efficiency.
And just so I'm clear?
Eric Gordon 78, 62, 56, 9, 42. There's cause for optimism.
Kevin Love 81, 60, 73, 55, 18. You're skeptical.
Greg Oden 61, 21. He was just unlucky.
Danny Granger 78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5. You're concerned.
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Paul George is still the best player on either of the teams. Granger is a bit closer (but gets docked for injuries). I refuse to give a pass to players with his injury history.
Second, I'm well aware Kane is pushing for the 32 year old Danny Granger's medical retirement. (Pssst, he's not 32.) But what injury "history?" Here are Granger's season totals.
78, 82, 80, 67, 62, 79, 62, 5.
He came in 12-13 season, averaging 72 games a year. He's not A.C. Green, but he's also not Andrew Bynum. Mike Conley averages 73 games per season, Okafor 65 games per season, Redick 60 games per season.
Lol I told you dawg, I was gonna look at him with the next pick I had. I know you love to hate the warriors and all but keep it civil with me wiggle. I still got love for you bc besides me you were the only one that voted Boston over Chi Town last year. I appreciated the love and I appreciate your spurs. They're just not on golden states level presently big guy 8).
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Danny Granger: Degenerative knee Injuries out of college, new knee injuries arise, getting progressively worse, along with his production, culminating with last year's Ross and Rachel-esque will they or won't they relationship with shutting him down and confronting his condition with surgery, and people speculating if it may be in fact career ending.
Where does it leave him? I dunno. But it's a pretty big question for his future.
And let me say, this is borne from the DKC draft. I did a crap ton of research on Granger because I wanted to trade Anderson for him at one point, and was talked out of it.
I think he can be most productive as a stretch-4, but I really have no idea what kind of production he'll offer next season.
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
They're mostly spot up shooters, pick and pop guys. And this is why having Bogut is essential. He's the last line of defense, in the middle, which gives freedom to Greg to not switch on his man on PnP's, leaving him open.
He has length that puts more than enough challenge for Ilyasova's and Anderson's jump shots. He'll be quite alright, won't shut them down, but will be fine. And then all that's left is for Greg to destroy them down low on the other end.
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
They're mostly spot up shooters, pick and pop guys. And this is why having Bogut is essential. He's the last line of defense, in the middle, which gives freedom to Greg to not switch on his man on PnP's, leaving him open.
He has length that puts more than enough challenge for Ilyasova's and Anderson's jump shots. He'll be quite alright, won't shut them down, but will be fine. And then all that's left is for Greg to destroy them down low on the other end.
Neither guy is really a pick and pop guy. Anderson in particular is a 'hangout around the 3 pt line and force Monroe out of the paint to make him keep the defense honest' guy. He attempts like 7 3s per game.
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It's all good T dub if I was you I would have an eighth grade crush on my squad too. You know? The kind where you really like that person (warriors) but its not cool to admit it so you do everything you can to make ppl think you don't..
Tp to you TWW. I see ya.
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
They're mostly spot up shooters, pick and pop guys. And this is why having Bogut is essential. He's the last line of defense, in the middle, which gives freedom to Greg to not switch on his man on PnP's, leaving him open.
He has length that puts more than enough challenge for Ilyasova's and Anderson's jump shots. He'll be quite alright, won't shut them down, but will be fine. And then all that's left is for Greg to destroy them down low on the other end.
Neither guy is really a pick and pop guy. Anderson in particular is a 'hangout around the 3 pt line and force Monroe out of the paint to make him keep the defense honest' guy. He attempts like 7 3s per game.
And Anderson is not really a guy who puts the ball on the floor, more like a spot up shooter. Again, Bogut pays dividends. Monroe can hang out the paint all he needs to cover Anderson, Bogut's got the inside covered.
And then on the other side, with Chandler (41% 3pt) lurking around the arc with his man dragged out with him, Lillard and Bogut play high post pick and pop, big guy has to switch because Lillard is too good. And while all that is happening, Monroe is sealing his position shut down low. Lillard passes to Bogut top of the key, and he dumps it inside to Monroe, one on one with Anderson. Easy two points, maybe plus one.
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It's all good T dub if I was you I would have an eighth grade crush on my squad too. You know? The kind where you really like that person (warriors) but its not cool to admit it so you do everything you can to make ppl think you don't..
Tp to you TWW. I see ya.
I actually really appreciate your single-minded focus and tenacity in defending your team. Rudy Gay should be taking notes.
BADA-BUM.
Edit: Also, what's the word that means a sound, like 'Wham!'? Also, what is the word that means a sound for a cymbal?
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
They're mostly spot up shooters, pick and pop guys. And this is why having Bogut is essential. He's the last line of defense, in the middle, which gives freedom to Greg to not switch on his man on PnP's, leaving him open.
He has length that puts more than enough challenge for Ilyasova's and Anderson's jump shots. He'll be quite alright, won't shut them down, but will be fine. And then all that's left is for Greg to destroy them down low on the other end.
Neither guy is really a pick and pop guy. Anderson in particular is a 'hangout around the 3 pt line and force Monroe out of the paint to make him keep the defense honest' guy. He attempts like 7 3s per game.
And Anderson is not really a guy who puts the ball on the floor, more like a spot up shooter. Again, Bogut pays dividends. Monroe can hang out the paint all he needs to cover Anderson, Bogut's got the inside covered.
And then on the other side, with Chandler (41% 3pt) lurking around the arc with his man dragged out with him, Lillard and Bogut play high post pick and pop, big guy has to switch because Lillard is too good. And while all that is happening, Monroe is sealing his position shut down low. Lillard passes to Bogut top of the key, and he dumps it inside to Monroe, one on one with Anderson. Easy two points, maybe plus one.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anderry01&p2=monrogr01
Is it weird that in H2H matchups against Greg Monroe Ryan Anderson averages more points in less minutes? I can't tell can you guys tell I can't tell..
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Ersan is suffering from 'IP Fatigue'. It's a sadly chronic case, as I believed in the guy a while year earlier than he warranted.
But Ryan Anderson is still underrated, despite the 'IP Bump'
I'd love to see them defend Monroe in the post.
Well, neither guy is a true center like Monroe. I imagine that Monroe as a true center would have a tough time defending them on the perimeter.
They're mostly spot up shooters, pick and pop guys. And this is why having Bogut is essential. He's the last line of defense, in the middle, which gives freedom to Greg to not switch on his man on PnP's, leaving him open.
He has length that puts more than enough challenge for Ilyasova's and Anderson's jump shots. He'll be quite alright, won't shut them down, but will be fine. And then all that's left is for Greg to destroy them down low on the other end.
Neither guy is really a pick and pop guy. Anderson in particular is a 'hangout around the 3 pt line and force Monroe out of the paint to make him keep the defense honest' guy. He attempts like 7 3s per game.
And Anderson is not really a guy who puts the ball on the floor, more like a spot up shooter. Again, Bogut pays dividends. Monroe can hang out the paint all he needs to cover Anderson, Bogut's got the inside covered.
And then on the other side, with Chandler (41% 3pt) lurking around the arc with his man dragged out with him, Lillard and Bogut play high post pick and pop, big guy has to switch because Lillard is too good. And while all that is happening, Monroe is sealing his position shut down low. Lillard passes to Bogut top of the key, and he dumps it inside to Monroe, one on one with Anderson. Easy two points, maybe plus one.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anderry01&p2=monrogr01
Is it weird that in H2H matchups against Greg Monroe Ryan Anderson averages more points in less minutes? I can't tell can you guys tell I can't tell..
Not buying it. Just because Anderson had better H2H numbers doesnt mean he's going to have the same when Monroe defends him, and him defends Monroe.
Anderson should thank Dwight Howard BTW for helping him tremendously to win this H2H. Because those numbers Monroe had when he's playing Anderson and Orlando, Howard was defending him, MVP Howard to be exact, not Ryan. So nope, not buying.
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Lol I told you dawg, I was gonna look at him with the next pick I had. I know you love to hate the warriors and all but keep it civil with me wiggle. I still got love for you bc besides me you were the only one that voted Boston over Chi Town last year. I appreciated the love and I appreciate your spurs. They're just not on golden states level presently big guy 8).
It's all good T dub if I was you I would have an eighth grade crush on my squad too. You know? The kind where you really like that person (warriors) but its not cool to admit it so you do everything you can to make ppl think you don't..
Tp to you TWW. I see ya.
Well, Danny Granger is now up to 34, thanks to some rumors you started. Is name dropping you a couple of times unsportsmanlike? Here's my olive branch.
I have given the Warriors credit for "punishing interior defense." Certainly no other team can boast three All-Star big men. And I'm on board with any starting combination between Hibbert/Aldridge (The most balanced line-up), Hibbert/Randolph (Physically punishing) or Randolph/Aldridge (Most talent), whether or not I worry about who'll have to come off the bench. That's an embarrassment of riches up front. At worst, you've made a series of shrewd moves and picks and are in great position headed in to our second week.
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Lol I told you dawg, I was gonna look at him with the next pick I had. I know you love to hate the warriors and all but keep it civil with me wiggle. I still got love for you bc besides me you were the only one that voted Boston over Chi Town last year. I appreciated the love and I appreciate your spurs. They're just not on golden states level presently big guy 8).
It's all good T dub if I was you I would have an eighth grade crush on my squad too. You know? The kind where you really like that person (warriors) but its not cool to admit it so you do everything you can to make ppl think you don't..
Tp to you TWW. I see ya.
Well, Danny Granger is now up to 34, thanks to some rumors you started. Is name dropping you a couple of times unsportsmanlike? Here's my olive branch.
I have given the Warriors credit for "punishing interior defense." Certainly no other team can boast three All-Star big men. And I'm on board with any starting combination between Hibbert/Aldridge (The most balanced line-up), Hibbert/Randolph (Physically punishing) or Randolph/Aldridge (Most talent), whether or not I worry about who'll have to come off the bench. That's an embarrassment of riches up front. At worst, you've made a series of shrewd moves and picks and are in great position headed in to our second week.
Lol 34?!!!! That's simply ridiculous!
Lets get it straight and on record. Honestly assuming health... Other then amare and Bynum granger is the best value pick if all in the league are healthy.
Also for the record. He turns 31 before next years playoffs. Same age as pierce in the 2010 finals vs the lakers.
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Danny Granger: Degenerative knee Injuries out of college, new knee injuries arise, getting progressively worse, along with his production, culminating with last year's Ross and Rachel-esque will they or won't they relationship with shutting him down and confronting his condition with surgery, and people speculating if it may be in fact career ending.
Where does it leave him? I dunno. But it's a pretty big question for his future.
And let me say, this is borne from the DKC draft. I did a crap ton of research on Granger because I wanted to trade Anderson for him at one point, and was talked out of it.
I think he can be most productive as a stretch-4, but I really have no idea what kind of production he'll offer next season.
Yes, this was all summed up after I drafted Granger. I've responded with his actual season totals. Last season was awful, most of the rest is innuendo. I do admire your persistence in getting DEGENERATIVE KNEE CONDITION into every post.
As for his declining production, he's my third best player, my Enes Kanter if you will, so I'm willing to accept slightly less again than 18.7 points per on strong three point and free throw shooting, 5 rpg and 1 spg. I would love to see his FG% tick back upwards with Love - if HE can play either boogah, boogah! - drawing more defensive attention than any teammate Granger's had before, but at this point I'm just arguing to get Danny out on the court.
I'm not playing him as a stretch 4 though and it doesn't seem likely to happen on the actual Pacers with West, Scola and stretch 4 Chris Copeland on that roster.
So it's clear you're not backing down on cashing in Granger's insurance policy, but going forward at least quote my replies. That Love/Gordon games played comparison was solid work, and took some time.
Signing off*
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It's all good T dub if I was you I would have an eighth grade crush on my squad too. You know? The kind where you really like that person (warriors) but its not cool to admit it so you do everything you can to make ppl think you don't..
Tp to you TWW. I see ya.
I actually really appreciate your single-minded focus and tenacity in defending your team. Rudy Gay should be taking notes.
BADA-BUM.
Edit: Also, what's the word that means a sound, like 'Wham!'? Also, what is the word that means a sound for a cymbal?
Hey i learned a little bit from some of you on here at celtics blog ;-)
And leave Rudy gay alone!!!
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Yes, Kane summed this all up after I drafted Granger. I've responded with his actual season totals. Last season was awful, most of the rest is innuendo. I do admire your persistence in getting DEGENERATIVE KNEE CONDITION into every post.
This is too funny.
Games within games, right TWW?
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Yes, Kane summed this all up after I drafted Granger. I've responded with his actual season totals. Last season was awful, most of the rest is innuendo. I do admire your persistence in getting DEGENERATIVE KNEE CONDITION into every post.
This is too funny.
Games within games, right TWW?
He should've fit it into his limerick - missed opportunity. All right, I've got to go to bed. Good chatting with you all. Somebody draft a coach.
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Looking over rosters and sending out a few trade offers on a slow Saturday morning
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6.2 is on the block for those looking to move up
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I looked through the rosters, and have come to the conclusion Gasol/Dirk in LAL is the best big man duo.
That really is a formidable pair. Of all the front courts, this one spaces the floor the best, while still providing low post scoring and defense. Sometimes two low post threats just clogs the lane too much and neither player is as effective as they would otherwise be. These two just won't have that problem.
Horford/Garnett would be my next favorite. Not as quite as much range from Dirk to KG, but improved defense. KG needs a backup that can play big minutes, otherwise his effectiveness will be mitigated.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
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I looked through the rosters, and have come to the conclusion Gasol/Dirk in LAL is the best big man duo.
That really is a formidable pair. Of all the front courts, this one spaces the floor the best, while still providing low post scoring and defense. Sometimes two low post threats just clogs the lane too much and neither player is as effective as they would otherwise be. These two just won't have that problem.
Horford/Garnett would be my next favorite. Not as quite as much range from Dirk to KG, but improved defense. KG needs a backup that can play big minutes, otherwise his effectiveness will be mitigated.
Not to pat ourselves on the back, but having set out with a focus on the frontcourt in this draft, I'm very high on Dirk/Marc, too. In addition to that Euro connection and Horford/KG, I'd give a shoutout to Amir/Noah. Offensively it's nothing special, although both can take it all the way to the mid-range, but they're going to create defensive havoc.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
I think I like this deal for both teams, actually a very balanced trade.
TP and EG could form a very formidable back court. Gallo should fit nicely next to Kyrie and the big man trio in Boston.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
Interesting trade. As we all knew from what was coming out of Boston regarding Kanter, he was gone. Boston picks up another young big who probably has shown he can do more in this league with minutes than Kanter. But Boston gets rid of Gordon, an injury risk, to get Gallo, a guy guaranteed to be out at least a month or two and maybe half the season.
Strangely though, this trade isn't bad for Dallas as Gordon came back okay and got stronger as the season went. Expectations should be that he will be playing more for Dallas than Gallo would have and the fit of Gordon and Kanter is good in Dallas.
I still think Boston won this deal based on the talent that exchanged hands but this could work very nicely for Dallas.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
Interesting trade. As we all knew from what was coming out of Boston regarding Kanter, he was gone. Boston picks up another young big who probably has shown he can do more in this league with minutes than Kanter. But Boston gets rid of Gordon, an injury risk, to get Gallo, a guy guaranteed to be out at least a month or two and maybe half the season.
Strangely though, this trade isn't bad for Dallas as Gordon came back okay and got stronger as the season went. Expectations should be that he will be playing more for Dallas than Gallo would have and the fit of Gordon and Kanter is good in Dallas.
I still think Boston won this deal based on the talent that exchanged hands but this could work very nicely for Dallas.
Isn't Gordon likely the best player in the deal, though? Sure, he has injury concerns (and I am one to penalize for that), but as you said, he did come back fairly well at the end of last season.
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Boston goes from having a Kanter/Splitter dilemma to a Valanciunas/Splitter dilemma? ??? Gallinari is a nice SF complement to their roster though, and I see they are trying to out-Euro the Lakers.
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I like the trade for me
Parker and Gordon could be a formidable 1-2 combo
I know that with the trade I run the risk of injury, but he came back strong last season
In April he had only one game where he didn't score 15 points, and that wasn't due to him having a bad game shooting wise. He didn't play 20 mins in that game.
He can defend pretty well, due to his quick hands getting him a few steals.
And Kanter is going to be getting lots of mins in Utah. He will be getting quite a few points, due simply to the fact that Al and Millsap are out of town. His rebounding rate is pretty solid, and if he can go back to his rookie rebounding rate he will be a monster on the boards. Per36 his stats are impressive. 17 pts, 10 Rebs, 1 steal and 1 block are good stats.
I'm sad to lose Jonas, liked him on my and like him as a player, but I don't mind losing gallo
He will be out for a while and I have AK47 to replace him
Overall I like this trade for both teams, think it is fairly even
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trying to out-Euro the Lakers.
Think my team is fairly euro ;D
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
Interesting trade. As we all knew from what was coming out of Boston regarding Kanter, he was gone. Boston picks up another young big who probably has shown he can do more in this league with minutes than Kanter. But Boston gets rid of Gordon, an injury risk, to get Gallo, a guy guaranteed to be out at least a month or two and maybe half the season.
Strangely though, this trade isn't bad for Dallas as Gordon came back okay and got stronger as the season went. Expectations should be that he will be playing more for Dallas than Gallo would have and the fit of Gordon and Kanter is good in Dallas.
I still think Boston won this deal based on the talent that exchanged hands but this could work very nicely for Dallas.
Isn't Gordon likely the best player in the deal, though? Sure, he has injury concerns (and I am one to penalize for that), but as you said, he did come back fairly well at the end of last season.
If both Gall and Gordon are healthy I think their talent about even, maybe Gall is ever so slightly better. I like JVal a lot more than Kanter. But both are young and JVal was given playing time while Kanter had to sit behind Big Al so its very possible by year's end that Kanter could look like the better player, though JVal looked exceptional and in much better shape during the Summer League.
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What are people's thoughts on the new Dallas Mavericks?
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Good trade for both teams. Once Dallas landed Kirilenko, this made too much sense not to happen.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
Each team trades a more than capable scorer with an injury history and a young big without much of a track record. synergy!
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TRADE
Boston sends: Enes Kanter, Eric Gordon
Dallas sends: Danilo Gallinari, Jonas Valanciunas
Each team trades a more than capable scorer with an injury history and a young big without much of a track record. synergy!
Haha it seems pretty even IMO
Helps my team position wise.
And I think TP and Gordon could be deadly
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Heat are taking offers on Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Gordon hayward, Steve Nash, the whole shebang!
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It seems like there are broad opinions on the dallas-boston trade.
My opinion is that if you didn't get the first pick in this draft, you've got to take some chances if you want to contend. If Gordon is healthy, the Kanter-Gordon side may have just hit lotto. Gallinari is a good player and Valenciunas has promise, but Kanter has shown more so far and they are comparable age/experience. Gallinari's upside is nothing like Gordon's.
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It seems like there are broad opinions on the dallas-boston trade.
My opinion is that if you didn't get the first pick in this draft, you've got to take some chances if you want to contend. If Gordon is healthy, the Kanter-Gordon side may have just hit lotto. Gallinari is a good player and Valenciunas has promise, but Kanter has shown more so far and they are comparable age/experience. Gallinari's upside is nothing like Gordon's.
Interesting take. I have the trade as almost dead even, both in terms of talent and upside. I think Dallas gave its team better balance, and Boston brought a more versatile skill set to its big men.
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
I love your team, but what I really love is the fleeting fantasy of a universe wherein Anderson Varejao and Andrew Bogut are both healthy for a full season =/
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
I think my team is more than just Lebron...
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Thoughts on the trade: Eric Gordon's value lies in asking people to believe in fairies. Personally I think he'll have a great year, but with the news that Gallinari will be back by December, and (My Name Is) Jonas Valley-val's more proven track record, and hence more familiar skillset, I thought it would be better to have two birds in hand, rather then tell you all how tasty the birds in the bush are for a few weeks.
Gallinari had his best year as a pro last year, and he even managed to get his defense and 3pt shooting within acceptable margins. He'll be versatile as a 3 and a stretch 4, and I'm all about the versatility.
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What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
Depth is nice in the regular season, but where is the talent that will carry you through the postseason? Besides, Varejao AND Bogut on the same team? I hope you have the Phoenix Suns medical staff... Lowry and Chandler haven't been exactly healthy the past few seasons, either.
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Just to point out Ryno's value in an offense, the numerous PnR's I'll be running with Conley/George should demonstrate this well.
Running a PnR with Conley/George the top of the key, with Ryno hanging out in either wing/corner pulls his defender out of the paint. This leaves one big to defend the rim. Conley can then easily drive to the rim, force the C to make a choice and then either dump the ball to George on the roll, to Okafor for the easy dunk, Ryno on the wing for a 3 if his man sags in, or occasionally to George on a pick-and-pop. Having Redick in the corner will further space the floor and put even more pressure on a D to rotate crisply and without heisitation.
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I don't mean this to say that you got bad value for them pick-wise, because I actually don't think you did. BUT The fun thing about your team, though, is that Lebron is paired with what might be five of the ten most overrated players in the NBA. If you could figure out a way to trade Lebron for Derrick Rose and Rudy Gay, you'd have something historical in the makings
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
I love your team, but what I really love is the fleeting fantasy of a universe wherein Anderson Varejao and Andrew Bogut are both healthy for a full season =/
But wasn't Bogut starting to be healthy and was very significant in the Playoffs, who BTW held did and awesome job defending the paint.
And IIRC, Andy was playing hurt but did not have a major injury last season, when he's poised to make an All Star appearance. A blood clot doesnt degenerate any basketball skills, nor physical ability Varejao has. And he's the backup.
Give us a better backup Center than Varejao right now?
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
I love your team, but what I really love is the fleeting fantasy of a universe wherein Anderson Varejao and Andrew Bogut are both healthy for a full season =/
But wasn't Bogut starting to be healthy and was very significant in the Playoffs, who BTW held did and awesome job defending the paint.
And IIRC, Andy was playing hurt but did not have a major injury last season, when he's poised to make an All Star appearance. A blood clot doesnt degenerate any basketball skills, nor physical ability Varejao has. And he's the backup.
Give us a better backup Center than Varejao right now?
I can think of one, but we're not allowed to name names.
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But wasn't Bogut starting to be healthy and was very significant in the Playoffs, who BTW held did and awesome job defending the paint.
And IIRC, Andy was playing hurt but did not have a major injury last season, when he's poised to make an All Star appearance. A blood clot doesnt degenerate any basketball skills, nor physical ability Varejao has. And he's the backup.
Give us a better backup Center than Varejao right now?
You're preaching to the choir, Yoki, but based on minutes played over the last 2-3 seasons, you've got to admit your yet-to-be-named third string center is likely to get a lot of run.
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I think my team is more than just Lebron...
Yeah, it is.
DeAndre, Ibaka, LeBron is a very nice front court. DeAndre is the weakest player of the 3, but I doubt you'll be playing him much at the end of games. You do need an additional F to allow this to happen, though.
Bradley and Ellis is a very interesting back court. Ellis is an underrated defender, and we all know how good AB is on that end (he really is a perfect PG next to Bron). I do question how effective Ellis will be on offense though. He has historically been a high usage, low efficiency player. Will he be able to thrive without the ball in his hands, even with all the pressure off of him next to Bron?
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I can think of one, but we're not allowed to name names.
INNUENDO!! NOT LISTENING!!
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
Nothing on GS?
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What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
Depth is nice in the regular season, but where is the talent that will carry you through the postseason? Besides, Varejao AND Bogut on the same team? I hope you have the Phoenix Suns medical staff... Lowry and Chandler haven't been exactly healthy the past few seasons, either.
This is probably the only place and time in basketball where depth is overrated. Lowry, Landry and Varejao is a core who can compete against any starting team in this league. And the fact that this team is so deep, injuries would not be a big setback because of the starting quality talent coming off the bench.
And i'm channeling my inner Jim Mora here, "Playoffs? I.. Playoffs?" Didn't Bogut had a monster Playoffs, rebounding, defending and all? Carl Landry showed up too. And even only for just a game, Wilson Chandler lit it up (he had a bad showing overall but he's playing ridiculously out of position at PF). That's three guys, one off the bench who showed that they can be Playoff players.
Lillard and Monroe are future All-Stars, who has shown that they can take over games on their own right.
And injuries, Lowry played 68 games and was healthy until the seasons end. Same goes with Chandler. And I hate to name drop but just to prove a point, Dirk hasn't been healthy the past couple of years either. Add to the fact that he's getting there in age too, where injuries tend to linger a bit more. I have more confidence in Lowry and Chandler being healthy than Dirk next year. If we're bringing up injuries, i don't mind shooting back.
Which i respectfully ask, if Dirk misses games, what now of the Lakers? Because Nuggets will be fine if we miss Bogut or Varejao or on some cases, both (Landry and Monroe are very a solid 4-5 combo).
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
What? No love for Denver, the deepest team in the league by far?
I love your team, but what I really love is the fleeting fantasy of a universe wherein Anderson Varejao and Andrew Bogut are both healthy for a full season =/
But wasn't Bogut starting to be healthy and was very significant in the Playoffs, who BTW held did and awesome job defending the paint.
And IIRC, Andy was playing hurt but did not have a major injury last season, when he's poised to make an All Star appearance. A blood clot doesnt degenerate any basketball skills, nor physical ability Varejao has. And he's the backup.
Give us a better backup Center than Varejao right now?
I can think of one, but we're not allowed to name names.
Challenge Accepted. Tell me if this guy averaged 14 and 14 and was poised to be an all star.
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This is probably the only place and time in basketball where depth is overrated.
And i'm channeling my inner Jim Mora here, "Playoffs? I.. Playoffs?"
Yep, you answered your own question, albeit indirectly.
When teams are playing their starters 35-40mpg in the playoffs, depth isn't as important as top end talent.
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=This is probably the only place and time in basketball where depth is overrated. Lowry, Landry and Varejao is a core who can compete against any starting team in this league. And the fact that this team is so deep, injuries would not be a big setback because of the starting quality talent coming off the bench.
And i'm channeling my inner Jim Mora here, "Playoffs? I.. Playoffs?" Didn't Bogut had a monster Playoffs, rebounding, defending and all? Carl Landry showed up too. And even only for just a game, Wilson Chandler lit it up (he had a bad showing overall but he's playing ridiculously out of position at PF). That's three guys, one off the bench who showed that they can be Playoff players.
Lillard and Monroe are future All-Stars, who has shown that they can take over games on their own right.
And injuries, Lowry played 68 games and was healthy until the seasons end. Same goes with Chandler.
Well, you value your players a lot differently than I do, so we'll agree to disagree. However, I must say that it's pointless to preach the talents of your depth (like saying Varejao is averaged 14/14 on the way to an all-star bid) when they won't be seeing anywhere near the opportunity they had to post that level of production.
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This is probably the only place and time in basketball where depth is overrated.
And i'm channeling my inner Jim Mora here, "Playoffs? I.. Playoffs?"
Yep, you answered your own question, albeit indirectly.
When teams are playing their starters 35-40mpg in the playoffs, depth isn't as important as top end talent.
Ha ha. I disagree.
My depth would keep everyone fresh as the series gets more intense and more grueling for the physical body. Or have we forgotten that we need to keep the players fresh too?
The fact that this team won't lose a ton of production playing the second unit is a BIG advantage in the Playoffs compare to guys who's grinding for 40 minutes a game. It also lessens the occurrence of injuries to the starters.
You grind your players all you want, I'd have Bogut on 28-20 minutes and be fresh come game 2 because Varejao can play the rest of his minutes and not lose a ton of production and impact. Same with Lillard and Monroe.
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=This is probably the only place and time in basketball where depth is overrated. Lowry, Landry and Varejao is a core who can compete against any starting team in this league. And the fact that this team is so deep, injuries would not be a big setback because of the starting quality talent coming off the bench.
And i'm channeling my inner Jim Mora here, "Playoffs? I.. Playoffs?" Didn't Bogut had a monster Playoffs, rebounding, defending and all? Carl Landry showed up too. And even only for just a game, Wilson Chandler lit it up (he had a bad showing overall but he's playing ridiculously out of position at PF). That's three guys, one off the bench who showed that they can be Playoff players.
Lillard and Monroe are future All-Stars, who has shown that they can take over games on their own right.
And injuries, Lowry played 68 games and was healthy until the seasons end. Same goes with Chandler.
Well, you value your players a lot differently than I do, so we'll agree to disagree. However, I must say that it's pointless to preach the talents of your depth (like saying Varejao is averaged 14/14 on the way to an all-star bid) when they won't be seeing anywhere near the opportunity they had to post that level of production.
I understand that they wont be producing that much since their minutes are cut up. But they would still be making the same impact in the 2nd unit compare to the other bench mob in this league, and that's a big time advantage. It keeps the starters fresh, and not lose a ton when it comes to production, toughness, defensive impact. And that is not pointless.
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Ha ha. I disagree.
My depth would keep everyone fresh as the series gets more intense and more grueling for the physical body. Or have we forgotten that we need to keep the players fresh too?
The fact that this team won't lose a ton of production playing the second unit is a BIG advantage in the Playoffs compare to guys who's grinding for 40 minutes a game.
You grind your players all you want, I'd have Bogut on 28-20 minutes and be fresh come game 2 because Varejao can play the rest of his minutes and not lose a ton of production and impact. Same with Lillard and Monroe.
Keeping your players fresh is important in the regular season, but if you maintain that sort of mindset into the postseason, you might as well waive the white flag right now.
There's a reason all minute restrictions go out of the window come playoffs. Last postseason, 41 players logged 35+ minutes, and 15 logged 40+. 37-year old Duncan logged 35 per game. Roy Hibbert was unleashed for 36.5 minutes.
When everything is on the line, you NEED your best players absorbing all the minutes they can handle. They need to get focused, be in their comfort zone, and play to their peak potential. That isn't happening if you see-saw everyone's role every game, giving one player some rest one night so they can go out the next and be "fresher" than their competition.
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Hey youuu guys! (Goonie voice)
Lakers looking for a 6th rounder. Stop boycotting the purple and gold and send us offers. TP's around..
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There is still a bit of talent left, but after this round I'd assume most will be gone.
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Ha ha. I disagree.
My depth would keep everyone fresh as the series gets more intense and more grueling for the physical body. Or have we forgotten that we need to keep the players fresh too?
The fact that this team won't lose a ton of production playing the second unit is a BIG advantage in the Playoffs compare to guys who's grinding for 40 minutes a game.
You grind your players all you want, I'd have Bogut on 28-20 minutes and be fresh come game 2 because Varejao can play the rest of his minutes and not lose a ton of production and impact. Same with Lillard and Monroe.
Keeping your players fresh is important in the regular season, but if you maintain that sort of mindset into the postseason, you might as well waive the white flag right now.
There's a reason all minute restrictions go out of the window come playoffs. Last postseason, 41 players logged 35+ minutes, and 15 logged 40+. 37-year old Duncan logged 35 per game. Roy Hibbert was unleashed for 36.5 minutes.
When everything is on the line, you NEED your best players absorbing all the minutes they can handle. They need to get focused, be in their comfort zone, and play to their peak potential. That isn't happening if you see-saw everyone's role every game, giving one player some rest one night so they can go out the next and be "fresher" than their competition.
Duncan logged 35 minutes a game because his would be backup wouldnt even be close to what he's producing. Hibbert logs the minutes because if you put _______ _______ in that lineup for extended minutes, you lose a ton of production.
And with all due respect, but what you dont seem to get is there's not a lot of setbacks, maybe not at all when it comes to impact in the game and production with the depth this team has. Varejao can limit Bogut's minutes to 30 and the team will still have the toughness, rebounding and defense it has with Bogut on the floor. Landry can come in for 15 minutes for Monroe and the team won't have a significant drop off inside scoring pretense and rebounding.
It lessens the chances of injuries and come fourth quarter the players are still fresh and not in foul trouble, allowing them to play more aggressive because, well, they are not tired. COme fourth quarter other teams have their players shooting flat footed shots, cant run, cant close out because they're exhausted, well, not this team. Being fresh is not just about the next game.
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Again, we'll agree to disagree. Good luck on selling your vision to other GMs.
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I like depth, but because it can cause matchup nightmares in the playoffs. I mean lets say you have 2 C's and one of them dominates the opposing playoff team's C every time they play so clearly you might want to play that C even if your other C is a bit better.
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There is still a bit of talent left, but after this round I'd assume most will be gone.
Disagree sir.
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There is still a bit of talent left, but after this round I'd assume most will be gone.
Disagree sir.
Seconded
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There is still a bit of talent left, but after this round I'd assume most will be gone.
Disagree sir.
Seconded
Hence why I said I'd assume either way come 8th round we will probably see some rookies getting picked.
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I like depth, but because it can cause matchup nightmares in the playoffs. I mean lets say you have 2 C's and one of them dominates the opposing playoff team's C every time they play so clearly you might want to play that C even if your other C is a bit better.
Thank you.
Matchup nightmares is the word/s I'm really looking for. Fact is, even in the Playoffs you gotta sit the starters, so does my team. The advantage though is, my team has a better second unit that others. They can run rough shot on the other teams second unit, prompting the opponent to bring the starters to come back quickly.
Come 4th quarter time everyone on the other side is near exhaustion while Denver's players can still play aggressively because they're fresh, and the team did not have a setback from a production stand point. That's what everyone seems to not get. This team can afford to not have their best players logging minutes and getting tired, risking injuries because their backups as are competent.
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Out of curiosity, Yoki, who are your starters. Seems to me that while you have a deep-ish bench, you lack a 2nd starting wing. That could come back to bite you.
I'm not sure how much I like the thought of playing Lowry/Lillard/Chandler major minutes together.
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Who's starting up the Coach's round?
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Who's starting up the Coach's round?
Mod team.
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I like depth, but because it can cause matchup nightmares in the playoffs. I mean lets say you have 2 C's and one of them dominates the opposing playoff team's C every time they play so clearly you might want to play that C even if your other C is a bit better.
Thank you.
Matchup nightmares is the word/s I'm really looking for. Fact is, even in the Playoffs you gotta sit the starters, so does my team. The advantage though is, my team has a better second unit that others. They can run rough shot on the other teams second unit, prompting the opponent to bring the starters to come back quickly.
Come 4th quarter time everyone on the other side is near exhaustion while Denver's players can still play aggressively because they're fresh, and the team did not have a setback from a production stand point. That's what everyone seems to not get. This team can afford to not have their best players logging minutes and getting tired, risking injuries because their backups as are competent.
Don't forget the thin air home court advantage. I dig it.
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Out of curiosity, Yoki, who are your starters. Seems to me that while you have a deep-ish bench, you lack a 2nd starting wing. That could come back to bite you.
I'm not sure how much I like the thought of playing Lowry/Lillard/Chandler major minutes together.
Yep, That's one thing I won't disagree, I need to address the SG spot.
And you're right, Lowry-Lillard and Chandler won't be playing as much, Lillard and Lowry are too similar. Lowry would just be a straight up backup, playing 12-15 minutes.
Bogut and Monroe are starting along with Chandler in his true SF position and Lillard. Varejao backs up both Monroe and Bogut while Landry is an insurance policy incase any of the three goes down with injuries.
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Who's starting up the Coach's round?
Mod team.
They're sitting on the pick.
What's the general consensus on coaching? I tend to weigh it, but if most won't, I'm going to throw my pick away for good gif potential.
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I like depth, but because it can cause matchup nightmares in the playoffs. I mean lets say you have 2 C's and one of them dominates the opposing playoff team's C every time they play so clearly you might want to play that C even if your other C is a bit better.
Thank you.
Matchup nightmares is the word/s I'm really looking for. Fact is, even in the Playoffs you gotta sit the starters, so does my team. The advantage though is, my team has a better second unit that others. They can run rough shot on the other teams second unit, prompting the opponent to bring the starters to come back quickly.
Come 4th quarter time everyone on the other side is near exhaustion while Denver's players can still play aggressively because they're fresh, and the team did not have a setback from a production stand point. That's what everyone seems to not get. This team can afford to not have their best players logging minutes and getting tired, risking injuries because their backups as are competent.
Don't forget the thin air home court advantage. I dig it.
That is SO right! Thank you. This is a TP!
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riah is on his honeymoon and should be back Monday but just going off his list and taking BPA here is what Portland came out to be:
PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Andrew Bynum
My thoughts:
I hated the Bynum pick and that riah had him rated so high. I would have gone for a different center because of Bynum's injury history. That said, if Bynum is healthy, massively huge if, he is a steal in the 4th round and gives this team the defense, rim protecting and rebounding it sorely needed.
I also wasn't thrilled about the Jennings pick as I would have preferred a distributor, floor general type PG with all the offensive capabilities of JJ, Deng and Melo.
All in all though, the team is just deep in basketball talent at every position even if the parts don't fit perfect together. My guess is riah will make a trade or two to make adjustments and if he gets equal value coming back but better fitting players, this could be a team to watch out for.
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Yep, That's one thing I won't disagree, I need to address the SG spot.
And you're right, Lowry-Lillard and Chandler won't be playing as much, Lillard and Lowry are too similar. Lowry would just be a straight up backup, playing 12-15 minutes.
Bogut and Monroe are starting along with Chandler in his true SF position and Lillard. Varejao backs up both Monroe and Bogut while Landry is an insurance policy incase any of the three goes down with injuries.
Another big, big problem with having too much depth: You're playing the guy you drafted all the way in the 4th round only 12-15 minutes a game. That's not exactly capitalizing on value.
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
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riah is on his honeymoon and should be back Monday but just going off his list and taking BPA here is what Portland came out to be:
PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Andrew Bynum
The team got very nice value for where it was drafting, but Jennings, Johnson, and Melo on the same team?
(http://kaplaninternational.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/aye-caramba-bart-simpson.jpg)
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Yep, That's one thing I won't disagree, I need to address the SG spot.
And you're right, Lowry-Lillard and Chandler won't be playing as much, Lillard and Lowry are too similar. Lowry would just be a straight up backup, playing 12-15 minutes.
Bogut and Monroe are starting along with Chandler in his true SF position and Lillard. Varejao backs up both Monroe and Bogut while Landry is an insurance policy incase any of the three goes down with injuries.
Another big, big problem with having too much depth: You're playing the guy you drafted all the way in the 4th round only 12-15 minutes a game. That's not exactly capitalizing on value.
Not capitalizing?
1.) If Lillard goes down and miss games with injuries, I got a backup PG who's a capable starter and could do what Lillard does, (well not so much in the scoring part) and he's better defensively.
2.) I reiterate it again, it keeps Lillard full of energy come fourth quarter time so he can explode, without losing significant production when he sits for 15 minutes.
3.) That would be 15 minutes of torture for whoever backup PG will be going against Lowry. For 15 minutes he will lockdown that PG, disrupt the offense of the opposing team and torch him on the other side.
4.) When Lillard get's into foul trouble, Denver would still have a very good PG who can play for extended minutes.
Just because he's drafted in the 4th doesnt mean he has to log in minutes.
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Lowry should see significant minutes alongside Lillard in a small backcourt. Those two would play very well together and be very difficult to contain defensively.
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate it. TP.
And my I say what an absolutely awesome atmosphere it has been here this year and it is all because of the excellent way all the GMs have acted, debated, selected and traded. The mature, casual, friendly, often times helpful to each other, yet competitive nature that is being exhibited by every GM playing this game deserves way more than the simple one TP I am going to give each one of you now.
Kudos to every GM and all the interested non-participants that have made this one heck of a great draft thus far.
Thank you all, you have made things very easy on me.
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Lowry should see significant minutes alongside Lillard in a small backcourt. Those two would play very well together and be very difficult to contain defensively.
I like that pairing too
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Who's starting up the Coach's round?
Mod team.
They're sitting on the pick.
What's the general consensus on coaching? I tend to weigh it, but if most won't, I'm going to throw my pick away for good gif potential.
I weigh it to an extent
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Lowry should see significant minutes alongside Lillard in a small backcourt. Those two would play very well together and be very difficult to contain defensively.
I like that pairing too
Just because I'm the GM doesn't mean I cant change my mind. And you two sold me, so thank you.
Guess what, Lowry would play more than 15 minutes from now on. ;D
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riah is on his honeymoon and should be back Monday but just going off his list and taking BPA here is what Portland came out to be:
PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Joe Johnson
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Andrew Bynum
The team got very nice value for where it was drafting, but Jennings, Johnson, and Melo on the same team?
(http://kaplaninternational.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/aye-caramba-bart-simpson.jpg)
Bynum too, or did we forget how he acts when he doesnt get his touches?
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Lowry should see significant minutes alongside Lillard in a small backcourt. Those two would play very well together and be very difficult to contain defensively.
I like that pairing too
Just because I'm the GM doesn't mean I cant change my mind. And you two sold me, so thank you.
Guess what, Lowry would play more than 15 minutes from now on. ;D
Reminds me of how Denver has paired Lawson with some certain PGs.
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate it. TP.
And my I say what an absolutely awesome atmosphere it has been here this year and it is all because of the excellent way all the GMs have acted, debated, selected and traded. The mature, casual, friendly, often times helpful to each other, yet competitive nature that is being exhibited by every GM playing this game deserves way more than the simple one TP I am going to give each one of you now.
Kudos to every GM and all the interested non-participants that have made this one heck of a great draft thus far.
Thank you all, you have made things very easy on me.
I second the kudos to nick, he has done a great job running a very smooth draft thusfar, and keeping be front page up to date in the manner that he has is nothing short of amazing.
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Who's starting up the Coach's round?
Mod team.
They're sitting on the pick.
What's the general consensus on coaching? I tend to weigh it, but if most won't, I'm going to throw my pick away for good gif potential.
I weigh it to an extent
Yeah, I feel if we're going to do it it should have some weight. Not much, but a little.
For instance, you know it's probably not going to work out if you have Dwight Howard and you select say, D'antoni as a coach...oh, wait a minute...
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate it. TP.
And my I say what an absolutely awesome atmosphere it has been here this year and it is all because of the excellent way all the GMs have acted, debated, selected and traded. The mature, casual, friendly, often times helpful to each other, yet competitive nature that is being exhibited by every GM playing this game deserves way more than the simple one TP I am going to give each one of you now.
Kudos to every GM and all the interested non-participants that have made this one heck of a great draft thus far.
Thank you all, you have made things very easy on me.
I second the kudos to nick, he has done a great job running a very smooth draft thusfar, and keeping be front page up to date in the manner that he has is nothing short of amazing.
Third. TP. It's the best commissioner work I've ever seen in my three years doing this. I mean everyone always does good but this has been as close to real time as real time gets!
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate it. TP.
And my I say what an absolutely awesome atmosphere it has been here this year and it is all because of the excellent way all the GMs have acted, debated, selected and traded. The mature, casual, friendly, often times helpful to each other, yet competitive nature that is being exhibited by every GM playing this game deserves way more than the simple one TP I am going to give each one of you now.
Kudos to every GM and all the interested non-participants that have made this one heck of a great draft thus far.
Thank you all, you have made things very easy on me.
I second the kudos to nick, he has done a great job running a very smooth draft thusfar, and keeping be front page up to date in the manner that he has is nothing short of amazing.
Third. TP. It's the best commissioner work I've ever seen in my three years doing this. I mean everyone always does good but this has been as close to real time as real time gets!
I think Nick deserves that winner's PP card instead of any one of us receiving with this tremendous work.
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Gotta say, I'm having more fun doing the commissioning than I did playing. I love giving advice from afar without having to put up with the gamesmanship. And I can objectively give my opinion on moves and selections and teams without worrying about the competitive part of the game.
I find it way more fulfilling and relaxing, even if it is more work.
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Super off topic question,
Is it now acceptable to wear Brooklyn Nets clothing? I say yes, friend says no.
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Super off topic question,
Is it now acceptable to wear Brooklyn Nets clothing? I say yes, friend says no.
No.
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Super off topic question,
Is it now acceptable to wear Brooklyn Nets clothing? I say yes, friend says no.
I have a bulls hat to show my respect for Thibs :)
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Super off topic question,
Is it now acceptable to wear Brooklyn Nets clothing? I say yes, friend says no.
Definitely getting a Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett Brooklyn t-shirt when it comes out.
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Gotta say, I'm having more fun doing the commissioning than I did playing. I love giving advice from afar without having to put up with the gamesmanship. And I can objectively give my opinion on moves and selections and teams without worrying about the competitive part of the game.
I find it way more fulfilling and relaxing, even if it is more work.
Another TP.
Hope you consider doing it next year.
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TRADE
Denver sends Carl Landry, 7.20, 11.22
Cleveland sends 6.19, 7.7, 9.7
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TRADE
Denver sends Carl Landry, 7.20, 11.22
Cleveland sends 6.19, 7.7, 9.7
I think Denver overpayed. (Not by a lot though.)
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Cleveland is happy to welcome Landry to the team as its third big. He will play 30+ minutes per game during the regular season alongside KG and Horford, and will start next to Horford when KG rests for back-to-backs.
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Cleveland is happy to welcome Landry to the team as its third big. He will play 30+ minutes per game during the regular season alongside KG and Horford, and will start next to Horford when KG rests for back-to-backs.
Ha. Yoki just mentioned he traded Landry, and I thought "I hope it was to Cleveland". And there it was.
Nice move. Yoki gets some good draft picks, but you get a big who really complements your team.
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I like Landry to Cleveland. Gives them a nice three man rotation at the 4/5.
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There was a lot of talk about waiting and not giving up picks to get a lesser big man, but when landry became available at a price we saw was fair, we had to do it.
No superstars, but I think we did a good job of putting all the pieces to make the right team that can do great things without one
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There was a lot of talk about waiting and not giving up picks to get a lesser big man, but when landry became available at a price we saw was fair, we had to do it.
No superstars, but I think we did a good job of putting all the pieces to make the right team that can do great things without one
I liked the trade for Landry and he was definitely better than the piece you were thinking of adding. I think this is an extremely well put together club but I worry about the hole at SF. If someone drops to you in the 7th or you can work a deal with picks to land a guy higher, this is a team built to do major playoff damage, regardless of where they end up in the regular season voting.
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When is the coaches round?
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Nick, may I just say, from the draft board to the roster thread and trades, you're making this look easy - only we know it's not. I tip my cap.
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate it. TP.
And my I say what an absolutely awesome atmosphere it has been here this year and it is all because of the excellent way all the GMs have acted, debated, selected and traded. The mature, casual, friendly, often times helpful to each other, yet competitive nature that is being exhibited by every GM playing this game deserves way more than the simple one TP I am going to give each one of you now.
Kudos to every GM and all the interested non-participants that have made this one heck of a great draft thus far.
Thank you all, you have made things very easy on me.
Well thank you Nick. I'll gladly accept 1/25 th of the credit. Actually - slightly less because of the teams with co-GMs and the "interested non-participants" as you called them. Lets just call it 1/25 though ;)
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Got the next few hours to kill so if anybody wants to discuss some trades with the Lakers, go for it.
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Something people shouldn't forget when talking about the SF gap (which we will still fill)
(http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/lebron-james-tony-allen.jpg?w=600&h=371)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbOwqN4ajl8
TA's a bit shorter than some of the top SFs, but he can defend them as good as anyone.
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TA's a bit shorter than some of the top SFs, but he can defend them as good as anyone.
This post reassured my plan of playing Allen more at SF for my DKC team. Thanks man!
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If you want to try and convince me I should trade you some of my dudes for some of your dudes, come to the chat.
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When is the coaches round?
Now but Boston hasn't made their pick yet
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Preliminary playoff rankings (very rough, so don't start a war over this thing).
EAST (not including Cleveland)
1. Orlando
2. Miami
3. Boston
4. Atlanta
5. Indiana
6. Milwaukee
7. Chicago
8. New York
WEST
1. Minnesota
2. Houston
3. LA Clippers
4. Golden State
5. LA Lakers
6. Memphis
7. Phoenix
8. Denver
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Boston picks Greg Popovich, with the sincere intention of making him head assistant to Edgar.
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to keep things moving, the next team can pick a coach...not really concerned
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Guess that's our coach pick. Hey RA, who do you want? Philly Jack?
Just kidding, we take Thibs and his stellar defensive scheme with DPOY at the helm.
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Glancing through the rosters so far, here's the list of the most outstanding teams in the East so far...
Cleveland: Great balance throughout the roster. Defense will be solid, and they're doing a great job filling out the roster with competent scorers. Lawson's a super underrated PG, and there's not much to complain about at all.
Detroit: TOTF frontrunner for me. Philly's looking solid but I like the prospect's of Detroit's youngsters way more. They also complement each other a lot better than Philly's.
Milwaukee: This is actually a team that has potential to make a lot of noise despite not carrying any big names. It's got a lot of balance similar to Cleveland, and Okafor still quietly remains one of the better defending and rebounding centers in the league.
Miami: Nash is over the hill but still remains a shrewd playmaker. Hayward and Parsons are two very versatile wing players, while Smith and Bosh form just as dynamic of a frontcourt. Having conceded the limelight to Lebron and Wade, Bosh is also easily forgotten as a legitimate star talent. This can definitely shape up into a very dangerous team.
Washington: I dislike Harris at SF, nor his draft position, but this team nails everything else. Wall/Klay is a killer backcourt, with both guys's skill set complementing each others' perfectly. Amir/Noah forms just as deadly of a frontcourt, and they have to be one of the toughest defensive frontcourts in the league. The amount of energy and passion those two will bring is immeasurable. Especially considering Washington was picking from the last spot in the first round, this is a mighty impressive roster.
I'll do the West tomorrow.
San Antonio: I covered this team earlier so I won't get too redundant, but the versatility from top through bottom on this team is impressive.
Memphis: Ilyasova and Pekovic might just be the most impressive unathletic frontcourt ever assembled. This comes with both its pros and cons, but I'd definitely say the good outweighs the bad. Besides, it's really hard not to make a competitive team with CP3 at the helm. I feel like this team could be even more potent if they went with someone else over Oladipo though.
Houston: 1-3 is godly, and not much more needs to be said of Dragic/Harden/Batum. Gortat is a solid center as well. Al Jefferson at the 4 is going to be an issue but considering the moves Houston has made to get here, I'm confident they'll figure something out. However, even with Big Al at the 4, this team is already looking quite imposing.
Los Angeles: I'm not judging my own team for obvious reasons, but our cross-town rivals are definitely on our radar. There's a lot of glaring weaknesses, but conversely, a lot of glaring strengths. Their frontcourt defense is extremely porous and Derozan is a very poor fit on this team. At the same time, you can never ignore a Rose/Blake combo on the offensive end, and Afflalo and Vooch are solid complementary pieces. This team can easily get to the next level with some solid moves.
Phoenix: West and Duncan win the most consistent but boring frontcourt duo out there. Butler is only 23 years old but doesn't play like one. The backcourt may be a little bit iffy, but Teague has shown promising strides the past two seasons, while Mayo has demonstrated flashes himself under all his inconsistency.
Minnesota: Lebron. That is all.
No love for Dallas?
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I mean no disrespect to thw CB draft whatsoever, I love it.
But with that said, I want to ask if coaches would make an impact in tje votings?
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Bored. Trade offers being sent out to you peeps
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I mean no disrespect to thw CB draft whatsoever, I love it.
But with that said, I want to ask if coaches would make an impact in tje votings?
I evaluate coaches to some degree. Like, if a team has personnel that don't match their coaches' philosophy, I'm going to grade that team down. The team that has Greg Popovich gets a boost.
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Guess that's our coach pick. Hey RA, who do you want? Philly Jack?
Just kidding, we take Thibs and his stellar defensive scheme with DPOY at the helm.
I want to see Thibs try to get Jose Calderon play defense. Their may be a brain aneurysm in his future. ;)
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I mean no disrespect to thw CB draft whatsoever, I love it.
But with that said, I want to ask if coaches would make an impact in tje votings?
I evaluate coaches to some degree. Like, if a team has personnel that don't match their coaches' philosophy, I'm going to grade that team down. The team that has Greg Popovich gets a boost.
Really?
Because IIRC a team who had Pops as their coach didn't get much of a boost at all. Just saying...
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I mean no disrespect to thw CB draft whatsoever, I love it.
But with that said, I want to ask if coaches would make an impact in tje votings?
I evaluate coaches to some degree. Like, if a team has personnel that don't match their coaches' philosophy, I'm going to grade that team down. The team that has Greg Popovich gets a boost.
Really?
Because IIRC a team who had Pops as their coach didn't get much of a boost at all. Just saying...
Which team?
Pops isn't a miracle worker. If a team sucks, he's not going to elevate them to a title. However, if there are two teams on the cusp of a playoff spot, and one has Pops and the other Vinny Del Negro, then the team with Popovich is getting in.
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Maybe I don't have a "star" but I have 3 good scorers 2 defensive anchors and 1 amazing 3andD guy. I would probably say my team reminds me of the 2004 Pistons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgSTVbQ3w8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUAo5DgKwcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRi5qLWDdy4
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I'm so confused with this coach round. How did #1 go and then 2 and 3 were skipped before #4 picked?
Are there times? Does this round have to be done by Monday?
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Guess that's our coach pick. Hey RA, who do you want? Philly Jack?
Just kidding, we take Thibs and his stellar defensive scheme with DPOY at the helm.
I want to see Thibs try to get Jose Calderon play defense. Their may be a brain aneurysm in his future. ;)
He's done fine with Carlos Boozer. I think he can handle Calderon, especially after he posted some pretty solid defensive numbers after committing more to that end of the floor following his Pistons trade.
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I'm confused as to how this round works
Who picks when?
Because it seems that people have been skipped
I'm confused ??? ??? ???
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I don't know what is so confusing. Boston had #1 so they picked Pop. A few posts back, Milwaukee requested to be skipped so the Lakers, holding #3, chose Thibs. Now it's San Antonio, #4. There's no time limit; you just follow the order, and after one team picks, the following team chooses.
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I don't know what is so confusing. Boston had #1 so they picked Pop. A few posts back, Milwaukee requested to be skipped so the Lakers, holding #3, chose Thibs. Now it's San Antonio, #4. There's no time limit; you just follow the order, and after one team picks, the following team chooses.
Ah didn't see that Milwaukee asked to be skipped
Thanks for explaining
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No worries. These threads most so fast that I often miss a lot of things myself.
Anyway, my co-GM and I are both at the table so send trade offers to either of us. We'll listen to anything, although Dirk/Marc are likely not going anywhere.
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I don't know what is so confusing. Boston had #1 so they picked Pop. A few posts back, Milwaukee requested to be skipped so the Lakers, holding #3, chose Thibs. Now it's San Antonio, #4. There's no time limit; you just follow the order, and after one team picks, the following team chooses.
'Tude
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I mean no disrespect to thw CB draft whatsoever, I love it.
But with that said, I want to ask if coaches would make an impact in tje votings?
I evaluate coaches to some degree. Like, if a team has personnel that don't match their coaches' philosophy, I'm going to grade that team down. The team that has Greg Popovich gets a boost.
Really?
Because IIRC a team who had Pops as their coach didn't get much of a boost at all. Just saying...
Which team?
Pops isn't a miracle worker. If a team sucks, he's not going to elevate them to a title. However, if there are two teams on the cusp of a playoff spot, and one has Pops and the other Vinny Del Negro, then the team with Popovich is getting in.
I think it was the Cavs of last year. IIRC the impact Pops would have on that team was elaborated thoroughly and recieved some praise. Yet stil no boost from it whatsoever.
I guess its picking knits but I really want to know if it matters, otherwise id just hire myself.
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Guess that's our coach pick. Hey RA, who do you want? Philly Jack?
Just kidding, we take Thibs and his stellar defensive scheme with DPOY at the helm.
I want to see Thibs try to get Jose Calderon play defense. Their may be a brain aneurysm in his future. ;)
He's done fine with Carlos Boozer. I think he can handle Calderon, especially after he posted some pretty solid defensive numbers after committing more to that end of the floor following his Pistons trade.
I think those are 2 completely different situations as Boozer is a PF and Calderon is a PG. I think it's easier for an average or below average PF like Boozer to not look so bad if they are put next to a defensive minded C like Noah.
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Long night. Entertain me with some trade offers, guyz.
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STATEMENT
The Coaches Round is a part of this game. If you want to play the game, you have to pick a coach and it has to be a professional coach.
The rules regarding the weighting of coaches is like anything else when it comes to voting in this draft, its subjective. If a voter wants to take the coach into consideration, then the voter can. If the voter doesn't, then the voter doesn't have to consider the coach.
It is no different than injuries, or potential or rookie impact or team chemistry and fit, or talent. Some people take take these things into consideration and find them important, others do not.
It is a part of the game, so please, make your coach selection and make it in a manner that is in the best interest of your team. To not do that, is risking votes from people who do take it into consideration. You may only be hurting your team if you don't want to take this part of the game as seriously as the rest of the game.
That said if you want to debate whether it should still be a part of the game, go right ahead. I will address that subject with the people who make the rules for this game. I do not make the rules of the game, I am just enforcing them this year.
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STATEMENT
The Coaches Round is a part of this game. If you want to play the game, you have to pick a coach and it has to be a professional coach.
The rules regarding the weighting of coaches is like anything else when it comes to voting in this draft, its subjective. If a voter wants to take the coach into consideration, then the voter can. If the voter doesn't, then the voter doesn't have to consider the coach.
It is no different than injuries, or potential or rookie impact or team chemistry and fit, or talent. Some people take take these things into consideration and find them important, others do not.
It is a part of the game, so please, make your coach selection and make it in a manner that is in the best interest of your team. To not do that, is risking votes from people who do take it into consideration. You may only be hurting our team if you don't want to take this part of the game as seriously as the rest of the game.
That said if you want to debate whether it should still be a part of the game, go right ahead. I will address that subject with the people who make the rules for this game. I do not make the rules of the game, I am just enforcing them this year.
Commissioner's duty out of the way, I do take the coach into consideration when voting but I am also of the belief that you can have the greatest coach in the world and if the GM constructed a bad team, there is nothing the coach can do.
Conversely, and I know that hundreds on this site have this opinion because I have read them for the past 6 years on this blog, a bad coach can be made to look like a genius when he is given tremendous talent and a team with great chemistry and fit.
But if you have a good to elite coach and good to elite talent, the coach is probably only going to be outright responsible for 2-3 losses and/or wins in any given season. The rest is on the players and their performance.
That is, again, just my humble opinion.
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I think those are 2 completely different situations as Boozer is a PF and Calderon is a PG. I think it's easier for an average or below average PF like Boozer to not look so bad if they are put next to a defensive minded C like Noah.
Fair point, but the fact still remains that the Lakers have provided Thibs a roster with a good amount of capable defenders to properly instate his schemes. If we had surrounded Calderon with Martin, Anthony, Boozer, and Lee, then that'd be another story.
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I think those are 2 completely different situations as Boozer is a PF and Calderon is a PG. I think it's easier for an average or below average PF like Boozer to not look so bad if they are put next to a defensive minded C like Noah.
Fair point, but the fact still remains that the Lakers have provided Thibs a roster with a good amount of capable defenders to properly instate his schemes. If we had surrounded Calderon with Martin, Anthony, Boozer, and Lee, then that'd be another story.
You can always hide one bad defender if you have at least 4 average level defenders, one or two being elite, and keep your defense 'good'. It's a rule. Well not actually a rule, but it's understood.
Spurs had to hide Tony Parkour early in his career. Grizz hide Z-Bo. Mavs 'hid' Dirk but that's a little overblown. Rockets 'hid' Harden.
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I'm confused as to how this round works
Who picks when?
Because it seems that people have been skipped
I'm confused ??? ??? ???
Teams that draft 1st overall get the best players. Teams that draft last get the best depth. But the most [dang]ed of all are those that pick middle. They get the best coaches.
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Based on what
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Based on what
Basketball reference's projection system. They've got one for every non-rookie player I think.
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Where did you get that from? I wouldn't be surprised if it happens though.
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Based on what
Basketball reference's projection system. They've got one for every non-rookie player I think.
That's his Per36 projection, which is almost identical to his Per36 production from this year, the year he averaged 9 PPG and 6 RPG and had trouble staying on the floor because he fouled so much.
His per36 projection is also 4.3 fouls so I doubt he ever makes it to 36 minutes to get those per game stats. real projection on a per game level is probably similar to what he did last year, if you extrapolate the data into real life scenario.
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Based on what
That's his Per36 projection, which is almost identical to his Per36 production from this year, the year he averaged 9 PPG and 6 RPG and had trouble staying on the floor because he fouled so much.
His per36 projection is also 4.3 fouls so I doubt he ever makes it to 36 minutes to get those per game stats. real projection on a per game level is probably similar to what he did last year, if you extrapolate the data into real life scenario.
Basketball reference's projection system. They've got one for every non-rookie player I think.
I never said a word of that.
Edit: Oh hoo Meester quick edit! Foisted by my own Picard!
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And it's not his per-36 projection.
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And it's not his per-36 projection.
IP, in the area under projection for the coming season, right above the stats it states very clear Per 36 minutes
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And it's not his per-36 projection.
Oh nope. It is his per-36 projection. I swear a week ago it didn't say that (for all players).
Still, PER-36 RULEZ!!
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Apparently I've been ordered to pick a head coach. I find this more annoying than I can state, and an exercise in futility, but whatever. I respect the job Nick has done as commish, and he truly has done a great job, so I guess I'll oblige.
Mark Jackson
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Momma, THERE GOES THAT MAN
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Kobe "Kennypowersbean" Bryant's per-36 projection is glaring at his coach til he plays him the other 12.
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Kobe "Kennypowersbean" Bryant's per-36 projection is glaring at his coach til he plays him the other 12.
'Hes a good guy, he really is. We just have different views on what it takes to be successful'
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With Greg Popovich gone to Boston, the San Antonio Spurs reportedly had narrowed their head coaching search to two candidates:
Rasheed Wallace
and Rick Carlisle.
As late as Friday evening, Coach Wallace was the rumored front runner. But the job ultimately has been given to Carlisle, one of only four active coaches with an NBA ring, and a winning percentage of 58.7% good for fourth in the league. Carlisle has missed the postseason only twice in his eleven year career. In a conference call with media tonight, he expressed excitement at the prospect of working with Kevin Love, Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and Thad Young.
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Apparently I've been ordered to pick a head coach. I find this more annoying than I can state, and an exercise in futility, but whatever. I respect the job Nick has done as commish, and he truly has done a great job, so I guess I'll oblige.
Mark Jackson
Thats a grown man pick right there...
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With Greg Popovich gone to Boston, the San Antonio Spurs reportedly had narrowed their head coaching search to two candidates:
Rasheed Wallace
and Rick Carlisle.
As late as Friday evening, Coach Wallace was the rumored front runner. But the job ultimately has been given to Carlisle, one of only four active coaches with an NBA ring, and a winning percentage of 58.7% good for fourth in the league. Carlisle has missed the postseason only twice in his eleven year career. In a conference call with media tonight, he expressed excitement at the prospect of working with Kevin Love, Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and Thad Young.
That is the worst tease since my 10th grade prom date. THE Walker Wiggle + THE Coach Sheed "Cut The Check" Wallace would be a match made in imagination sports heaven.
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With Greg Popovich gone to Boston, the San Antonio Spurs reportedly had narrowed their head coaching search to two candidates:
Rasheed Wallace
and Rick Carlisle.
As late as Friday evening, Coach Wallace was the rumored front runner. But the job ultimately has been given to Carlisle, one of only four active coaches with an NBA ring, and a winning percentage of 58.7% good for fourth in the league. Carlisle has missed the postseason only twice in his eleven year career. In a conference call with media tonight, he expressed excitement at the prospect of working with Kevin Love, Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and Thad Young.
I can't think of a better pick here. Although Dallas's swing and a miss last year might have left people with a bad impression, having talented guys like Kevin Love, Iggy, DANNY GRANGER, and Thad Young should go a long way towards repairing the DEGENERATIVE nature of last season's failures on Carlisle's reputation. All that remains is to fill yourself out a solid bench and soon you'll be cutting off your opponents at the KNEES.
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With Greg Popovich gone to Boston, the San Antonio Spurs reportedly had narrowed their head coaching search to two candidates:
Rasheed Wallace
and Rick Carlisle.
As late as Friday evening, Coach Wallace was the rumored front runner. But the job ultimately has been given to Carlisle, one of only four active coaches with an NBA ring, and a winning percentage of 58.7% good for fourth in the league. Carlisle has missed the postseason only twice in his eleven year career. In a conference call with media tonight, he expressed excitement at the prospect of working with Kevin Love, Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger and Thad Young.
That is the worst tease since my 10th grade prom date. THE Walker Wiggle + THE Coach Sheed "Cut The Check" Wallace would be a match made in imagination sports heaven.
Don't make me immediately regret my nod toward veracity.
I love Sheedy and have made him a promise for next season, after he's had a full year of coaching under his belt.
Believe me, I did consider trying to sell him during voting as a mentor for JaVale McGee.
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I have a sudden craving for degenerative knees, and I don't know why.
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the most [dang]ed of all are those that pick middle
Yep, dead on. Picking in the middle sucks.
I guess you have to embrace the challenge though.
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Believe me, I did consider trying to sell him during voting as a mentor for JaVale McGee.
It's like a basketball reboot of '48 Hours', with Sheed constantly handcuffing JaVale to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid, but sometimes, when you forget to keep watching, JaVale will do something totally spectacular. Id pay premium money to hear both guys mic'ed up during practices, games, and team huddles.
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Apparently I've been ordered to pick a head coach. I find this more annoying than I can state, and an exercise in futility, but whatever. I respect the job Nick has done as commish, and he truly has done a great job, so I guess I'll oblige.
Mark Jackson
Let's be fair here. In PM I ask you nicely to do me a favor and to just pick a real coach because its part of the game. Believe me, if I ordered you to do it, you would know the difference.
And you did do it and for that I am greatful and thank you immensely. TP
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Apparently I've been ordered to pick a head coach. I find this more annoying than I can state, and an exercise in futility, but whatever. I respect the job Nick has done as commish, and he truly has done a great job, so I guess I'll oblige.
Mark Jackson
Let's be fair here. In PM I ask you nicely to do me a favor and to just pick a real coach because its part of the game. Believe me, if I ordered you to do it, you would know the difference.
And you did do it and for that I am greatful and thank you immensely. TP
An ultimate flex of the muscles if I have ever seen one...
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So Jonas 'V for Vendetta' Valanciunas is projected to have 14 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks, and 56% shooting. Discuss.
Sounds about right.
I think Jonas might actually score a bit more and get up around 16ppg.
Dwayne Casey is talking about changing his offense to make Jonas the focal point down in the low post. Wants to play through him much more often than Toronto did last season. FG% might drop a bit but I would still expect it to be a very healthy number.
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A guy i like a lot and think is one of the better defensive coaches in the game the L.A. Clippers would like to introduce Frank Vogel as their head coach.
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WeMadeIt17 check your PM.
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Not surprised but a pretty uneasy update on Andrew Bynum.
Bynum is still working on his cranky knees. He had surgery on both in March. He is working on losing the 20-some pounds that he needs to dump. He is doing what the doctors and trainers have asked. But he’s not close to being ready for full basketball activities.
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Yawn.
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Sorry fellas, I am traveling. I will take a guy who's used to building a strategy around superstar talent and has a couple of rings to show for it - Eric Spoelstra.
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Well, I will go ahead and take Doc Rivers, but I'm going to put him directly on the trading block.
Since his market value is well-established, this should be easy. I am willing to part with him in exchange for your first round pick.
First taker gets a TP
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Sorry fellas, I am traveling. I will take a guy who's used to building a strategy around superstar talent and has a couple of rings to show for it - Eric Spoelstra.
What are you doing traveling? You have a fantasy basketball league to attend to...
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Sorry fellas, I am traveling. I will take a guy who's used to building a strategy around superstar talent and has a couple of rings to show for it - Eric Spoelstra.
What are you doing traveling? You have a fantasy basketball league to attend to...
This deserves a TP.
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Sorry fellas, I am traveling. I will take a guy who's used to building a strategy around superstar talent and has a couple of rings to show for it - Eric Spoelstra.
What are you doing traveling? You have a fantasy basketball league to attend to...
This deserves a TP.
My joke or terrible grammar?
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Legitimately surprised by the lack of movement this weekend.
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Rick Adelman
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I'm a bit bored, hit me up with offers on Faried
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Legitimately surprised by the lack of movement this weekend.
No one's team has been "creamed" yet. No one is feeling the "pressure" to make big changes.
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Legitimately surprised by the lack of movement this weekend.
No one's team has been "creamed" yet. No one is feeling the "pressure" to make big changes.
Except for mine. I already rebuilt by round 2. The next two days are going to be interesting. With most teams have their first fives set, it will be a free for all to build a solid bench.
Fortunately, in the benxh mob department, I dont have too.
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I'm a bit bored, hit me up with offers on Faried
but I just did =( Now I am bored too. Thanks a lot, fitzhooey
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TheTruthFot18 check pm's please
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So many lurking, but yet it's so quiet...
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Just one more question about coaches.
Are we only allowed to pick current coaches/assitant coaches or are we alllowed to pick retired gentlemen as well?
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Just one more question about coaches.
Are we only allowed to pick current coaches/assitant coaches or are we alllowed to pick retired gentlemen as well?
Its always been rather vague but as long as they are alive, I guess people who are considered "retired" or "unemployed" are fair game.
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Coaches round is bull-stuff, it's like someone invited this guy to the party
(http://silviavlase.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/buzz.jpg)
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Coaches round is bull-stuff
Why?
Coaches are more important than the 13th man on a roster. Why shouldn't they be considered?
I mean, I like the old days when coaches were often fictional characters, because that added a silly element of fun. However, with coaches playing such a vital role in real life, why is it "bull-stuff" for them to play a role in team evaluation?
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Just one more question about coaches.
Are we only allowed to pick current coaches/assitant coaches or are we alllowed to pick retired gentlemen as well?
Its always been rather vague but as long as they are alive, I guess people who are considered "retired" or "unemployed" are fair game.
Very well then. The research is on now. Thanks Nick.
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Coaches round is bull-stuff
Why?
Coaches are more important than the 13th man on a roster. Why shouldn't they be considered?
I mean, I like the old days when coaches were often fictional characters, because that added a silly element of fun. However, with coaches playing such a vital role in real life, why is it "bull-stuff" for them to play a role in team evaluation?
I just don't like the way it is handled. It's supposed to be important, but it's obvious few actually give it much thought or credence.
Either it needs to have real weight, and therefore have restrictions on who can be picked, or not.
I find the current "system" to be a farce. Ultimately, I'll refer you to Buzz Killington, I find it just sucks the fun out of the whole thing. I know it has for me.
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I'm bored, will offer 7.7, 7.22 and 9.7 for a 6th rounder, an 11th and 12th. Yep, I'm all about overpaying tonight.
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I'm bored, will offer 7.7, 7.20 and 9.7 for a 6th rounder, an 11th and 12th. Yep, I'm all about overpaying tonight.
You don't have 7.20, Yoki ;)
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Regarding coaches, I have heard some rather vehement distaste for this part of the game and I would ask, why?
I have read that some feel that coaches have never gotten a team a bump in the voting before and I would ask, how do you know that? Did you poll every voter to gauge whether team x, y, or z was judged higher or lower based on their coach?
I know Roy takes them into consideration as I do. There's as many as 24-33 votes come the regular season. As the playoffs go deeper, voters tend to disappear and I know votes can go as low as 20-22 votes in the playoffs. If you pick an elite coach, you are probably getting a bump up or possibly a playoff vote from at least 6-10% of the voters, as Roy and I vote every round every year. Pick a bad coach or make a "joke" out of it and you could risk a fall in the voting or losing a playoff vote from anywhere between 6-10% of the voters.
If others take coaches into consideration those percentages of voters affected rises.
So if you do not want to have the coaches round anymore, I would like to hear why.
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Coaches round is bull-stuff
Why?
Coaches are more important than the 13th man on a roster. Why shouldn't they be considered?
I mean, I like the old days when coaches were often fictional characters, because that added a silly element of fun. However, with coaches playing such a vital role in real life, why is it "bull-stuff" for them to play a role in team evaluation?
I just don't like the way it is handled. It's supposed to be important, but it's obvious few actually give it much thought or credence.
Either it needs to have real weight, and therefore have restrictions on who can be picked, or not.
I find the current "system" to be a farce. Ultimately, I'll refer you to Buzz Killington, I find it just sucks the fun out of the whole thing. I know it has for me.
What exactly do you feel would be happening during this weekend if the coaches round wasn't happening?
What guidelines would you have for selection of a coach?
Just how much weight is a coach supposed to receive in regards to a franchise? Larry Brown is a Hall of Fame coach. he had lots and lots of just awful teams. Except for say Phil Jackson, just about every elite coach has coached a terrible team.
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I'm bored, will offer 7.7, 7.20 and 9.7 for a 6th rounder, an 11th and 12th. Yep, I'm all about overpaying tonight.
You don't have 7.20, Yoki ;)
Oh that's right, it's 7.22. 7.22 People, sorry.
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Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work. Who wants to bother me with trade offer for the next 50 minutes while I wait for the encore to come on? Big Al, Gortat, and Dragic all available! So is Batum.
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My two cents on the coaches: if you really don't care, then what's the inconvenience of typing a name of any old coach on your computer screen? Maybe 30 seconds of your time?
And for those of us who do care, they get to put some thought into it, and maybe pick the perfect fit of a coach.
Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work.
IT WAS SO GOOD
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Kane, if you are still here, please check PM's. I'm tired, cranky, and ready for bed soon. Freakin' work, I hate work!
If I stay on here much longer, Milwaukee's gonna need a new GM (nothing to do with you).
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My two cents on the coaches: if you really don't care, then what's the inconvenience of typing a name of any old coach on your computer screen? Maybe 30 seconds of your time?
And for those of us who do care, they get to put some thought into it, and maybe pick the perfect fit of a coach.
Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work.
IT WAS SO GOOD
Don't tell me, AB!
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Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work.
IT WAS SO GOOD
Don't tell me, AB!
Never
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My two cents on the coaches: if you really don't care, then what's the inconvenience of typing a name of any old coach on your computer screen? Maybe 30 seconds of your time?
And for those of us who do care, they get to put some thought into it, and maybe pick the perfect fit of a coach.
Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work.
IT WAS SO GOOD
Don't tell me, AB!
It's on again at 1205A, (or DVR it).
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My two cents on the coaches: if you really don't care, then what's the inconvenience of typing a name of any old coach on your computer screen? Maybe 30 seconds of your time?
And for those of us who do care, they get to put some thought into it, and maybe pick the perfect fit of a coach.
Man I always miss Breaking Bad cause of work.
IT WAS SO GOOD
Don't tell me, AB!
It's on again at 1205A, (or DVR it).
Yeah, just checked my local listings. Thanks Bahku!
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Booooooorrrrriiiiiiiiiing, someone blow their team up already
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Listening to all offers on Pau, Gallo, Tiago, and Jonas.
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Who is your starting center, or starting power forward? Are they better than Tiago Splitter?
Well, he can play both at a high level (link (http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAS15.HTM#bypos)). And he is a favorite of basketball analysts. Here's the most recent blurb:
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9591336
Splitter has developed into a solid post option on offense and a high IQ positional team defender. His rebounding has improved, but it still needs to climb as he's expected to earn an even greater share of minutes, necessary if the Spurs intend to preserve Duncan
These things are pretty useful. It's nice when a fellow poster says something favorable about your player in debate, but when it comes to making a definitive point, basically the holy trinity is easily cited statistical production, professional analyst endorsement, and on-court success and experience resulting in wins.
Splitter has all 3. Does your guy? Some do. Many dont.
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Who is your starting center, or starting power forward? Are they better than Tiago Splitter?
Andrew Bogut (C) and Greg Monroe (PF). And as Daniel Bryan would say, YES!
Ask any basketball analyst in the world, based on skill and talent, if they are going to chose Tiago over Bogut and Monroe, most of the time they'll say no (unless they're Brazilian or Spurs fans).
Also, Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. Tiago has skill, but you can't deny that system and the leadership it has on that team helped him develop better. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, with their talent and skill level. And at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team with John Keuster as his coach.
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Who is your starting center, or starting power forward? Are they better than Tiago Splitter?
Andrew Bogut (C) and Greg Monroe (PF)
Ask any basketball analyst in the world, based on skill and talent, if they are going to chose Tiago over Bogut and Monroe, most of the time they'll say no (unless they're Brazilian or Spurs fans).
Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team.
Yeah. You've got two good post players. Im not really sold that they fit together, and Bogut's got a problematic injury history, but they've got undeniable talent.
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Also, Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. Tiago has skill, but you can't deny that system and the leadership it has on that team helped him develop better. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, with their talent and skill level. And at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team with John Keuster as his coach.
Also, is this a knock at Splitter? Cuz Id think that growing up under Pop and Duncan's tutelage is about the best pedigree you can get as a NBA post player. Learn what it means to be on a team that gets things done, how to be a professional, what's wrong with that?
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Who is your starting center, or starting power forward? Are they better than Tiago Splitter?
Andrew Bogut (C) and Greg Monroe (PF)
Ask any basketball analyst in the world, based on skill and talent, if they are going to chose Tiago over Bogut and Monroe, most of the time they'll say no (unless they're Brazilian or Spurs fans).
Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team.
Yeah. You've got two good post players. Im not really sold that they fit together, and Bogut's got a problematic injury history, but they've got undeniable talent.
Is it weird that I have to keep on saying that Drummond and Monroe worked well and Drummond have NO outside game whatsoever?
Bogut may not have a midrange game, but he's excellent in high pick and roll situations. He's a terrific passer for his position and can find people cutting underneath or having their positions set down low. He sets picks high, gives room for Monroe to operate (not that he needs any, have you seen Greg finish even being surrounded by three defenders?). Monroe also has a decent midrange and passing game so they can play in and out.
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Also, Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. Tiago has skill, but you can't deny that system and the leadership it has on that team helped him develop better. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, with their talent and skill level. And at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team with John Keuster as his coach.
Also, is this a knock at Splitter? Cuz Id think that growing up under Pop and Duncan's tutelage is about the best pedigree you can get as a NBA post player. Learn what it means to be on a team that gets things done, how to be a professional, what's wrong with that?
How about Pop and Duncan being leaders on the floor, motivate the players to be play at their best level and be productive.
Let's not forget the impact they had on Danny Green. He was cut, TWICE and he turned out to be one of the best role players in the game. Cleveland had him and didn't see it, otherwise he probably would have helped LeBron win a title with the Cavs. A certain guard as well. With the Spurs system, you learn to play smart, and that seems to be lacking on Detroit and Milwaukee.
It's a knock in a sense that, if on an alternate universe Bogut and his talents ended up with the Spurs and Tiago went to Milwaukee, Bogut could probably be Superstar and Splitter a nice rotation Center. And same goes with Monroe. Instead, Tiago has been a rising star because of the organization he's playing for knows what their doing. And Bogut and Monroe got by with their talents but could have been better players if only their respective mediocre teams knew how to get things done.
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Is it weird that I have to keep on saying that Drummond and Monroe worked well and Drummond have NO outside game whatsoever?
Actually, they didn't.
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET2.HTM
In units with both Monroe and Drummond, the few times they shared the floor, they easily average to a well below 50% win%. Detroit knows they've got two very good prospects, so they're willing to play it out to see if they gel, but to this point, they haven't coexisted on the court together well at all.
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Also, Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. Tiago has skill, but you can't deny that system and the leadership it has on that team helped him develop better. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, with their talent and skill level. And at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team with John Keuster as his coach.
Also, is this a knock at Splitter? Cuz Id think that growing up under Pop and Duncan's tutelage is about the best pedigree you can get as a NBA post player. Learn what it means to be on a team that gets things done, how to be a professional, what's wrong with that?
How about Pop and Duncan being leaders on the floor, motivate the players to be play at their best level and be productive.
Let's not forget the impact they had on Danny Green. He was cut, TWICE and he turned out to be one of the best role players in the game. Cleveland had him and didn't see it, otherwise he probably would have helped LeBron win a title with the Cavs. Gary Neal as well. With the Spurs system, you learn to play smart, and that seems to be lacking on Detroit and Milwaukee.
It's a knock in a sense that, if on an alternate universe Bogut and his talents ended up with the Spurs and Tiago went to Milwaukee, Bogut could probably be Superstar and Splitter a nice rotation Center. And same goes with Monroe. Instead, Tiago has been a rising star because of the organization he's playing for knows what their doing. And Bogut and Monroe got by with their talents but could have been better players if only their respective mediocre teams knew how to get things done.
So what you're saying is that Splitter is better for Pop and Duncan's influence, and Bogut and Monroe would've benefitted from that as well, in an alternate and completely fictional timeline? If I've got that right, I agree. But Id also mention that the Spurs are a PRETTY good judge of talent. They acquired Splitter, weathered a few years of middling returns, brought him up, and paid him.
He was a pretty well respected prospect coming into the league in his own right, of he didn't work out , they could've cut bait and traded him, probably for a decent return. They opted to no only keep him, but pay him pretty much market value this offseason. Seems like such a well-run organization should be trusted to know what they're doing, so it follows that Splitter is a bit more than just good teachers and mentors.
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Is it weird that I have to keep on saying that Drummond and Monroe worked well and Drummond have NO outside game whatsoever?
Actually, they didn't.
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DET2.HTM
In units with both Monroe and Drummond, the few times they shared the floor, they easily average to a well below 50% win%. Detroit knows they've got two very good prospects, so they're willing to play it out to see if they gel, but to this point, they haven't coexisted on the court together well at all.
Point taken, you win.
Oh, but wait a second. Since we are using numbers (im trying to learn the numbers game ;D), I got a counter argument.
Another guy at PF and Monroe played for 606.1 minutes. According to the numbers, that guy has terrible outside game (attempted 0.9 shots from 3-9 feet, 0.6 from 10-15, and 2.5 from 16-23 feet shooting 32%. Thank you Hoopdata). So it's safe to assume that he doesnt play outside and clogs the lane for Monroe offensively.
That guy is NOT stretching the floor whatsoever. That said PF also has little to no passing game and court vision unlike Bogut (0.8 APG with a 4.7 AST% compare to Bogut's 2.1 with a 12.5 AST%, according to BBall Reference). He can't put the ball on the floor like Bogut does as well, and yet him and Monroe combined for a +22 when on the floor together and a winning percentage of 50%.
Fit is not a concern with Bogut and Monroe. Bogut can play high PnR's opening up some room for Greg. And Greg also showed, according to the numbers that he can contribute even with a mate who cannot stretch the floor.
(see that, I used numbers compared to just the eye test, thank you IP)
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Also, Bogut and Monroe didn't need the help of one Tim Duncan and a very good Spurs coaching staff and player development to establish themselves as stars. Tiago has skill, but you can't deny that system and the leadership it has on that team helped him develop better. I can only imagine how Andrew or Greg would turn out playing next to Duncan and being coached by Pop, with their talent and skill level. And at the same time, imagine how Splitter would turn out to be if he played for a always NBA purgatory bound Bucks or a mismanaged Pistons team with John Keuster as his coach.
Also, is this a knock at Splitter? Cuz Id think that growing up under Pop and Duncan's tutelage is about the best pedigree you can get as a NBA post player. Learn what it means to be on a team that gets things done, how to be a professional, what's wrong with that?
How about Pop and Duncan being leaders on the floor, motivate the players to be play at their best level and be productive.
Let's not forget the impact they had on Danny Green. He was cut, TWICE and he turned out to be one of the best role players in the game. Cleveland had him and didn't see it, otherwise he probably would have helped LeBron win a title with the Cavs. Gary Neal as well. With the Spurs system, you learn to play smart, and that seems to be lacking on Detroit and Milwaukee.
It's a knock in a sense that, if on an alternate universe Bogut and his talents ended up with the Spurs and Tiago went to Milwaukee, Bogut could probably be Superstar and Splitter a nice rotation Center. And same goes with Monroe. Instead, Tiago has been a rising star because of the organization he's playing for knows what their doing. And Bogut and Monroe got by with their talents but could have been better players if only their respective mediocre teams knew how to get things done.
So what you're saying is that Splitter is better for Pop and Duncan's influence, and Bogut and Monroe would've benefitted from that as well, in an alternate and completely fictional timeline? If I've got that right, I agree. But Id also mention that the Spurs are a PRETTY good judge of talent. They acquired Splitter, weathered a few years of middling returns, brought him up, and paid him.
He was a pretty well respected prospect coming into the league in his own right, of he didn't work out , they could've cut bait and traded him, probably for a decent return. They opted to no only keep him, but pay him pretty much market value this offseason. Seems like such a well-run organization should be trusted to know what they're doing, so it follows that Splitter is a bit more than just good teachers and mentors.
That's my point, it's a well run organization who probably would choose Monroe or Bogut over Splitter if they came out of the same draft and all are available.
Tiago sure does have the talent, but he would never be $8 million a year if he didn't play for the Spurs. And I hate to repeat this fact again but it's the best, only example I can think off. Danny Green got cut TWICE and is now considered one of the best role players in the game. Heck, he got drafted in the top half of the 4th round in this draft when in his Cleveland days, only guys who watched UNC are the only guys who have heard of him and even they might not draft him at the end rounds. Another guard is undrafted and could have been out of the league right now if not for the Spurs. There's also a forward who's starting to toil in mediocrity that was acquired by the Spurs and he also became a nice role player.
I'm not denying Tiago's talents, all I'm saying is the team he played for and the leaders in it made developed him like no other team could probably have. Yes the Spurs are a major part of who Tiago as a player is right now. Now switch Bogut or Monroe in that system and personell and you probably get a superstar, because I'm sorry, but they are more talented than Splitter.
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Okay - its Monday! Time for this thread to wake up and continue with the team building. Round 6 about to get underway!
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Okay - its Monday! Time for this thread to wake up and continue with the team building. Round 6 about to get underway!
I like the enthusiasm after what was a not so exhilarating weekend
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Pick 6.2 is on the block, I do have a very intriguing offer but feel free to get more offers in.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
A max of 5 TPs are allowed in a transaction.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
Raising the stakes!
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
Many folks here could confirm that TPs are not actually forever, especially when the Celtics are up in the Finals :(
Which, of course, taught us all an important lesson about betting against Kobe "Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterwhatbean" Bryant, that we should all remember over the next few weeks.
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I'll take mike krzyzewski as my coach
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
Remember just 5 minutes between picks and 2 rounds today.
Detroit is up to select a coach.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
Many folks here could confirm that TPs are not actually forever, especially when the Celtics are up in the Finals :(
Which, of course, taught us all an important lesson about betting against Kobe "Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterwhatbean" Bryant, that we should all remember over the next few weeks.
LOL...yeah I lost over 3000 TPs in that 2010 Finals
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
Many folks here could confirm that TPs are not actually forever, especially when the Celtics are up in the Finals :(
Which, of course, taught us all an important lesson about betting against Kobe "Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterwhatbean" Bryant, that we should all remember over the next few weeks.
LOL...yeah I lost over 3000 TPs in that 2010 Finals
Well you just got *one more* back ;D
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
Nice pick, but I think Webster is more a 3 and 3 guy... not much D
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
Nice pick, but I think Webster is more a 3 and 3 guy... not much D
That's the stereotype, but Webster actually held opposing SFs to an 11.9 PER (http://www.82games.com/1213/12WAS9.HTM) last year, and (in limited minutes) opposing SGs to an 8.7. And that's while facing starters. He allowed .87 points per possession and opponents shot only 38.2% against him. That's only slightly worse than well-respected defenders like Paul George and Josh Smith.
He's not an All-Defense player but he's above average and more than solid enough for a unit with Asik and Hill anchoring the D.
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
Boooooooooooooo. Hisssssssssssssss.
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With the 3rd pick in the 6th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
GREIVIS VASQUEZ
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With the fourth pick in the sixth round the Golden State Warriors select Raymond Felton.
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I'm inclined to use the 6.1 but I'll listen to any last minute offers for the next hour or so.
I'll give you 15 TP's.
Think about it, the CB Draft will eventually come and go, but TP's are forever.
Many folks here could confirm that TPs are not actually forever, especially when the Celtics are up in the Finals :(
Which, of course, taught us all an important lesson about betting against Kobe "Allidoiswinwinwinnomatterwhatbean" Bryant, that we should all remember over the next few weeks.
True, I lost Hundreds of TP's when they lost to the Lakers! I want them back!
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Nice rapid fire start to the day. I can dig it.
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
I think you might be overpaying for a career year, but the 6th round is a good time to gamble.
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With the fourth pick in the sixth round the Golden State Warriors select Raymond Felton.
That's a good fit. Suddenly your team has the potential for nice balance
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
You got a good value on Lopez, but I think your defensive identity is going to hinge on your next couple of picks.
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
You got a good value on Lopez, but I think your defensive identity is going to hinge on your next couple of picks.
Sure, though I think my team doesnt need to be the best defensive team out there and definitely won't be. I think my team just needs to be average.
When im picturing my team im seeing the playmaking of durant and Deron finding alot of easy baskets for lopez at the rim and alot of wide open jumpers for scola in addition to the creation of their own offense.
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
I think you might be overpaying for a career year, but the 6th round is a good time to gamble.
We wanted a great catch-and-shoot guy to spread the floor, and Webster's definitely that, and a very underrated defender. I think he fits our team very well.
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
I think you might be overpaying for a career year, but the 6th round is a good time to gamble.
We wanted a great catch-and-shoot guy to spread the floor, and Webster's definitely that, and a very underrated defender. I think he fits our team very well.
I like Webster, and think he's a good fit on your team, but I think he's a bit of a reach with a couple of other guys who are still on the board.
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
You got a good value on Lopez, but I think your defensive identity is going to hinge on your next couple of picks.
Sure, though I think my team doesnt need to be the best defensive team out there and definitely won't be. I think my team just needs to be average.
When im picturing my team im seeing the playmaking of durant and Deron finding alot of easy baskets for lopez at the rim and alot of wide open jumpers for scola in addition to the creation of their own offense.
The way your team is put together really minimizes his weaknesses on offense- there won't be any need for him to pass, post-up, or really even handle the ball. He can just be a finisher and a screener. It's a good fit.
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We are open for business in the 6th round.
I'll get things rolling along then. Orlando's looking for a solid 3 and D guy at the wing, so we select Martell Webster and his 42% 3-pt shooting.
I think you might be overpaying for a career year, but the 6th round is a good time to gamble.
We wanted a great catch-and-shoot guy to spread the floor, and Webster's definitely that, and a very underrated defender. I think he fits our team very well.
I like Webster, and think he's a good fit on your team, but I think he's a bit of a reach with a couple of other guys who are still on the board.
I was expecting someone else. Someone who could be a royal pain in the butt defensively for other teams.
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Alright well it's time to take a certified binky of mine that also fits my team well at the Center position.
Robin Lopez
I think he will make a good tandem with Scola and is a high energy defense and rebounding guy who can finish at the rim.
You got a good value on Lopez, but I think your defensive identity is going to hinge on your next couple of picks.
Sure, though I think my team doesnt need to be the best defensive team out there and definitely won't be. I think my team just needs to be average.
When im picturing my team im seeing the playmaking of durant and Deron finding alot of easy baskets for lopez at the rim and alot of wide open jumpers for scola in addition to the creation of their own offense.
The way your team is put together really minimizes his weaknesses on offense- there won't be any need for him to pass, post-up, or really even handle the ball. He can just be a finisher and a screener. It's a good fit.
Yup, on offense I picture using him like the celtics used the C in the early big 3 years. I could always tell how the ball was moving depending on how many dunks were had by whoever was in the C spot.
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I cannot believe one particular player is still on the board. This is nonsense!
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I cannot believe one particular player is still on the board. This is nonsense!
I wonder if we're thinking of the same guy. I would've picked this certain dude awhile back but he's too redundant with Kobe.
I'm not a fan of the table talk, but I am of course curious who you are hinting at.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
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With the fourth pick in the sixth round the Golden State Warriors select Raymond Felton.
That's a good fit. Suddenly your team has the potential for nice balance
Thanks. TP
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Sorry, I'll shut up.
Sofu, if you could delete the quote of my post, I've deleted the original.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
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Nothing worse than table-talkers, except ringers.
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Sorry, I'll shut up.
If your mystery man is still available at 6.10, what will you give me for the pick?
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
If you look around the table and cen't find the sucker...
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
EDIT: Please do not hint at calling others names
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
If you look around the table and cen't find the sucker...
Then you are the sucker
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
If you look around the table and cen't find the sucker...
Then you are the sucker
Yay rounders!
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
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Nothing worse than table-talkers, except ringers.
Good call...
Ringers are a real thorn.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
I play either pitch/setback or spades (both are partner games if you aren't familiar) and it undermines the game...
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
EDIT: Please do not hint at calling others names
Sorry about that Nick. I was actually just trying to be meta =) Celticsbloggers, I don't think any of you are chumps
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
If you look around the table and cen't find the sucker...
Then you are the sucker
Yay rounders!
Love that movie
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
I play either pitch/setback or spades (both are partner games if you aren't familiar) and it undermines the game...
I play spades, wist, hearts, cribbidge and pinocle, all in partner form so I understand what you speak of.
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No euchre love on the board? We played that so much around college that common partnerings transcended table talk and developed a bunch of non-verbal tells. Good thing it was usually for shots instead of money.
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Assuming no auto-picks this round?
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Nice rapid fire start to the day. I can dig it.
Just want to point out that since your comment Rondo, we've descended into card game talk, the Matt Damon ouvre, and wishful thinking about guys still on the board....
Thanks Rondo for jinxing it! ;D
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
All your character does is talk about and hype their own players, there's no progression, no development, no conflict. Just the same arc, season after season after season. It's like a mediocre sitcom about underrated basketball players and the man who loves them... Maybe a bit to much.
Winger, out!
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
All your character does is talk about and hype their own players, there's no progression, no development, no conflict. Just the same arc, season after season after season. It's like a mediocre sitcom about underrated basketball players and the man who loves them... Maybe a bit to much.
Winger, out!
IP has a tell. As soon as he starts talking up one of his players, that's the guy he wants to move and get high value on. ;D
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Nice rapid fire start to the day. I can dig it.
Just want to point out that since your comment Rondo, we've descended into card game talk, the Matt Damon ouvre, and wishful thinking about guys still on the board....
Thanks Rondo for jinxing it! ;D
Yup, picks just came to a screeching halt lol
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So it looks like OKC and Dallas are skipped, and riah's nowhere to be seen. Really glad for the 5 minute windows this week.
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Assuming no auto-picks this round?
Nope, I think after the third round, if you miss your pick, you simply get skipped and pick at any time you want thereafter.
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With the 7th pick of the 6th round of the CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
TRISTAN THOMPSON
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
All your character does is talk about and hype their own players, there's no progression, no development, no conflict. Just the same arc, season after season after season. It's like a mediocre sitcom about underrated basketball players and the man who loves them... Maybe a bit to much.
Winger, out!
IP has a tell. As soon as he starts talking up one of his players, that's the guy he wants to move and get high value on. ;D
You always say that, but its not true. Ilyasova, (other guy not yet picked), Jarret Jack, Bosh, Pierce, Parsons, Thad Young...I talked about those guys incessantly. Jrue Holiday, James Harden, Bogut, STAT, Jimmy Butler, Nic Vucevic...I've tried to sell you guys on all them at one point or another. If I love my team, I talk about them quite a bit. And sometimes, I will move a guy even if I do like their talent if I don't particularly care for their fit.
But the guys I've traditionally moved have turned out to be pretty good, even if people didn't realize it at the time. Steph Curry, Nik Pekovic, Kyrie Irving, are the guys who headlined trades made by me (being shipped out, not acquired), and they didn't have bad years at all last season by my count.
Nick however does have a tell. Anytime he says something that seems smug and knowingly about another person's motivations with a winky face, he's usually wrong.
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With the 7th pick of the 6th round of the CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
TRISTAN THOMPSON
solid, safe, obvious pick, but to go with all the card-playing analogies, 99% of a good poker player is just taking the odds
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Nick, out of curiosity, how long was Riah's list? I couldn't order 200 or so players (which is what it seems like he's done)... Props to Riah.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
All your character does is talk about and hype their own players, there's no progression, no development, no conflict. Just the same arc, season after season after season. It's like a mediocre sitcom about underrated basketball players and the man who loves them... Maybe a bit to much.
Winger, out!
IP has a tell. As soon as he starts talking up one of his players, that's the guy he wants to move and get high value on. ;D
You always say that, but its not true. Ilyasova, (other guy not yet picked), Jarret Jack, Bosh, Pierce, Parsons, Thad Young...I talked about those guys incessantly. Jrue Holiday, James Harden, Bogut, STAT, Jimmy Butler, Nic Vucevic...I've tried to sell you guys on all them at one point or another. If I love my team, I talk about them quite a bit. And sometimes, I will move a guy even if I do like their talent if I don't particularly care for their fit.
But the guys I've traditionally moved have turned out to be pretty good, even if people didn't realize it at the time. Steph Curry, Nik Pekovic, Kyrie Irving, are the guys who headlined trades made by me (being shipped out, not acquired), and they didn't have bad years at all last season by my count.
Nick however does have a tell. Anytime he says something that seems smug and knowingly about another person's motivations with a winky face, he's usually wrong.
Those 2 guys stink.
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I hate playing cards with "table-talkers"...
I love playing poker against table talkers. They are the easiest people to read and take money from
There's one manager on this board who fits that description to a t... I won't say who, but seriously it's that guy exactly...
Have we gone all the way around to meta-table talk now? :)
I'm not talking because its part of my character.
All your character does is talk about and hype their own players, there's no progression, no development, no conflict. Just the same arc, season after season after season. It's like a mediocre sitcom about underrated basketball players and the man who loves them... Maybe a bit to much.
Winger, out!
This however, I did enjoy. Its almost like we're on a TV show. Popculturepopculuture. Cool cool cool.
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Like the Thompson pick.
I don't know what I'm doing, but we're gonna sell so many t-shirts, you guys.
You guys.
Hawks select
Jeremy Lin.
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Nick, out of curiosity, how long was Riah's list? I couldn't order 200 or so players (which is what it seems like he's done)... Props to Riah.
150 players long. Thompson was #83 and the highest player left on his board
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Am I up?
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I'd like another pick in the early-mid part of this round.
I'm offering my 7.16 and 8.10 picks.
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With the 7th pick of the 6th round of the CB Draft the Portland Trailblazers select:
TRISTAN THOMPSON
THanks for making this pick for me this morning I should be able to make the rest of my picks this week. Just a little busy this morning but he was a guy I was looking at.
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Am I up?
you betcha! Let's make some magic!
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Like the Thompson pick.
I don't know what I'm doing, but we're gonna sell so many t-shirts, you guys.
You guys.
Hawks select
Jeremy Lin.
Solid pick. He's become overrated to underrated in the course of a year. He's a capable starting point guard.
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Like the Thompson pick.
I don't know what I'm doing, but we're gonna sell so many t-shirts, you guys.
You guys.
Hawks select
Jeremy Lin.
Lin has went from overrated to underrated - extremely underrated. You're getting great value at this point, but the problem is I don't like Lin's fit on your team.
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Like the Thompson pick.
I don't know what I'm doing, but we're gonna sell so many t-shirts, you guys.
You guys.
Hawks select
Jeremy Lin.
Lin has went from overrated to underrated - extremely underrated. You're getting great value at this point, but the problem is I don't like Lin's fit on your team.
Took him for value. Plan on running him with the 2nd unit. There's (sort of) a plan here, kinda.
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Just finished a trade, bear with me while I send it it.
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Just finished a trade, bear with me while I send it it.
Your time is past just make his selection for him
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Anyone wants 6.16 send some offers
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I'm up and I take Nerlens Noel
I'm waiting on confirmation for the pick from Evantime...
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I'm up and I take Nerlens Noel
I'm waiting on confirmation for the pick from Evantime...
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28psqBTzG1rqfhi2o1_500.gif)
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I'm up and I take Nerlens Noel
I'm waiting on confirmation for the pick from Evantime...
the commish's favorite player.
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I select Kosta Koufos as part of the trade I just executed.
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The Heat are in the chat, talkin about Nerlens Noel's knee.
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Nerlens Noel would like to thank Moe Harkless for preventing him from being the biggest reach in the draft. ;)
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The Heat are in the chat, talkin about Nerlens Noel's knee.
What about him being overrated?
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Nerlens Noel would like to thank Moe Harkless for preventing him from being the biggest reach in the draft. ;)
Early running for post of the day right here.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
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The Heat are in the chat, talkin about Nerlens Noel's knee.
What about him being overrated?
We can do that too.
CHAMP! PICK AGAIN!
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
??????
I didn't agree to any trades.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
Overpay.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
Anybody want to make this trade with LAL's 7.4?
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
Kind of a no-brainer for Houston there.
What's OKC thinking? Maybe a typo with the 6.9 instead?
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
??????
I didn't agree to any trades.
Oh my. Controversy!
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To clear things up.
7.9 is Phoenix. 7.16 is Brooklyn. I wish I made that deal.
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Miami selects Samuel Dalembert.
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I lost my list somewhere between the last pick and this one. So,
Gerald Henderson.
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Is that a mistake- I'm pretty sure I just traded 7.16 and 8.10, which I (Brooklyn) own, for Evantime's 6.9. It didn't go through promptly, so Evantime selected Kosta Koufos on my behalf
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I lost my list somewhere between the last pick and this one. So,
Gerald Henderson.
Another excellent value pick made by you this round. I'm not as bullish on Henderson as a lot of others here, but at this point in the draft he's a great selection.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
TYPO
Brooklyn sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 6.9
And I believe a correction in this trade will be forthcoming once I get confirmations
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I lost my list somewhere between the last pick and this one. So,
Gerald Henderson.
Another excellent value pick made by you this round. I'm not as bullish on Henderson as a lot of others here, but at this point in the draft he's a great selection.
Thanks. Can play the 2/3 from the second team, score, and play acceptable defense. Still gotta put some work in next round until I start feeling good about Team Old Man Strength.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
TYPOOklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 6.9
Nick. The teams involved in the deals are Brooklyn and Philadelphia. Not OKC and Houston.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
TYPO
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 6.9
And I believe a correction in this trade will be forthcoming once I get confirmations
Still got a typo there. :P
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of character issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Yes, he started for Indiana, but I don't think he gets any credit for their success. Heck, last year was the first season in his career where he's had positive win shares.
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6.17 available
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This is what happens when teams rush last minute and don't send in confirms that have their teams in the message but have DKC teams listed in their sigs
Trade is rescinded until I get confirms from both parties involving the moving parts, which I believe now includes a player
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 7.9
TYPO
Oklahoma City sends: 7.16 and 8.10
Houston sends: 6.9
And I believe a correction in this trade will be forthcoming once I get confirmations
Still got a typo there. :P
Philadelpha sends Koufos (who was 6.9) and 13.17
Brooklyn sends 7.16 and 8.10
sorry for the confusion.
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Did mod squad just select before KC's time was up?
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Did mod squad just select before KC's time was up?
For their sake, I hope so, so that they can void their pick. :P
Didn't KC take Dalembert?
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Did mod squad just select before KC's time was up?
For their sake, I hope so, so that they can void their pick. :P
Didn't KC take Dalembert?
Yes he did. Things have been moving so fast I missed it.
My bad guys.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of character issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Yes, he started for Indiana, but I don't think he gets any credit for their success. Heck, last year was the first season in his career where he's had positive win shares.
Ehh...
Is it a reach? Yeah. But I disagree that Stephenson didn't contribute to Indiana's success last season. Stephenson catalyzed a lot of key runs for the Pacers last postseason if I recall correctly.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of character issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Yes, he started for Indiana, but I don't think he gets any credit for their success. Heck, last year was the first season in his career where he's had positive win shares.
Ehh...
Is it a reach? Yeah. But I disagree that Stephenson didn't contribute to Indiana's success last season. Stephenson catalyzed a lot of key runs for the Pacers last postseason if I recall correctly.
Remember Tony Allen's "Trick or Treat" nickname? That's Stephenson, except the tricks and treats are even more extreme (and the defense isn't nearly on the same level).
For a team that already has some question marks, it seems like a poor selection to me.
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with the 14th pick in the 6th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
TREVOR ARIZA
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Did mod squad just select before KC's time was up?
For their sake, I hope so, so that they can void their pick. :P
Didn't KC take Dalembert?
Yes he did. Things have been moving so fast I missed it.
My bad guys.
Things are going haywire here...there is really only one solution. Have your pick ready for one minute after the time expires for team picking in front of you.
12:55 here I come.
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
You unmitigated son of a biscuit!
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
Is this the best alignment of value and need so far this draft?
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
This is the guy I was talking about earlier. I don't understand how he dropped so far and was taken behind the likes of Vasquez and Felton. I seriously considered Kemba as far ahead as the 4th round when the Lakers were looking for a PG.
Kemba made HUGE strides last season and improved on a lot of weaknesses from his rookie season, and considering nearly all PGs make "The Leap" in the 3rd year, Kemba in the 6th round has to be one of the biggest steals on CB draft this year.
Congratulations Spurs!
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(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/679/006/778_Samuel_Dalembert_Sacramento_photo_display_image.jpg?1323868279)
Samuel D. after finding out he was joining The Heat.
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The Heat are in the chat, talkin about Nerlens Noel's knee.
I assume that they are talking about how jealous they are that I now own it =)
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
Is this the best alignment of value and need so far this draft?
Thank you for noticing.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of disciplinary issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Shooting guard who overcame disciplinary issues to be one of the hardest workers in the lockerroom (well, he still shoots his mouth off a little, particularly at the opposition). Averaged 12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season, game got better as the season went on, and he started 72 games for the 2nd best team in the East last year. That's more than Eric Gordon, Dion Waiters, or any number of guys previously selected at the 2 have accomplished in the past season.
He held starting opposing 2's to a 12.4 PER, I can't really complain about that from a 22 year old player still finding his ceiling.
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
This is the guy I was talking about earlier. I don't understand how he dropped so far and was taken behind the likes of Vasquez and Felton. I seriously considered Kemba as far ahead as the 4th round when the Lakers were looking for a PG.
Kemba made HUGE strides last season and improved on a lot of weaknesses from his rookie season, and considering nearly all PGs make "The Leap" in the 3rd year, Kemba in the 6th round has to be one of the biggest steals on CB draft this year.
Congratulations Spurs!
Didn't take him at 6.12 because I thought he would fall 10 more picks.
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Didn't take him at 6.12 because I thought he would fall 10 more picks.
I would have bought a beer for you if you were able to nab Kemba at 6.22.
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Oh wow I did skip KC, that's my bad man I was counting down Atlanta, and I've never been able to put 2 and 2 together that you were miami.
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
This is the guy I was talking about earlier. I don't understand how he dropped so far and was taken behind the likes of Vasquez and Felton. I seriously considered Kemba as far ahead as the 4th round when the Lakers were looking for a PG.
Kemba made HUGE strides last season and improved on a lot of weaknesses from his rookie season, and considering nearly all PGs make "The Leap" in the 3rd year, Kemba in the 6th round has to be one of the biggest steals on CB draft this year.
Congratulations Spurs!
Didn't take him at 6.12 because I thought he would fall 10 more picks.
He's been at the top of my draft board for too long. I even made a couple of attempts to trade back in to the 5th after tempting fate drafting Thad Young first.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of disciplinary issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Shooting guard who overcame disciplinary issues to be one of the hardest workers in the lockerroom (well, he still shoots his mouth off a little, particularly at the opposition). Averaged 12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season, game got better as the season went on, and he started 72 games for the 2nd best team in the East last year. That's more than Eric Gordon, Dion Waiters, or any number of guys previously selected at the 2 have accomplished in the past season.
He held starting opposing 2's to a 12.4 PER, I can't really complain about that from a 22 year old player still finding his ceiling.
Haha. So, the shooting guard you drafted in the 6th is better / more productive / more accomplished than the shooting guard you drafted in the 4th?
If you don't even believe that, why should anybody else? And, for a guy who is seen as better on offense than defense, how is "12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season" a good thing?
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foulweatherfan check PM's please.
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Knicks select:
Derrick Williams
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And, for a guy who is seen as better on offense than defense, how is "12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season" a good thing?
I'm pretty sure Stephenson is seen more as a defense guy than offense. That's the reason there's actually debate over whether Granger should start when he returns because it could potentially be beneficial to have Stephenson's defense in the starting lineup while Granger's offense is utilized as a sixth man role off the bench.
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Mod squad selects Lance Stephenson
Eww. I don't understand this one.
A shooting guard with a history of disciplinary issues who averaged 10.9 points per 36 minutes, with mediocre shooting numbers?
Shooting guard who overcame disciplinary issues to be one of the hardest workers in the lockerroom (well, he still shoots his mouth off a little, particularly at the opposition). Averaged 12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season, game got better as the season went on, and he started 72 games for the 2nd best team in the East last year. That's more than Eric Gordon, Dion Waiters, or any number of guys previously selected at the 2 have accomplished in the past season.
He held starting opposing 2's to a 12.4 PER, I can't really complain about that from a 22 year old player still finding his ceiling.
Haha. So, the shooting guard you drafted in the 6th is better / more productive / more accomplished than the shooting guard you drafted in the 4th?
If you don't even believe that, why should anybody else? And, for a guy who is seen as better on offense than defense, how is "12 pp36 over the last 3 months of the season" a good thing?
I believe that, because its true, you pick Eric Gordon for what he could be, not for what he is.
Or maybe I guess you select him for what he was? He was really good. But Lance Stephenson had the better seaosn last year.
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Oh wow I did skip KC, that's my bad man I was counting down Atlanta, and I've never been able to put 2 and 2 together that you were miami.
No you didn't.
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Adding defense to the sf/sg spot. Solid shooter and vet off the bench.
Matt Barnes
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I'll take Al Farouq Aminu for my pick and Brad Stevens for my coach
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Just FYI everyone ...
these are the next 3 coaches picks
11 Atlanta Hawks Champkind
12 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic
13 Portland Trailblazers riah32
Adding defense to the sf/sg spot. Solid shooter and vet off the bench.
Matt Barnes
Jerk. ;D
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Does anyone want to trade a future first rounder for our coach?
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Does anyone want to trade a future first rounder for our coach?
I'll trade you the first round pick I made this year.
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Yeah, let's knock off some coaches as long as you guys are around CFF who do you want as a coach
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ROSTERS
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Boston
Guards: Kyrie Irving, Lance Stephenson
Forwards:Pau Gasol, Danilo Gallinari
Centers: Jonas Valanciunas, Tiago Splitter
New York
Guards: Rajon Rondo, Kevin Martin
Forwards: Larry Sanders, Maurice Harkless, Derrick Williams
Centers: Brook Lopez
Brooklyn
Guards: Russell Westbrook, Manu Ginobili, Tyreke Evans
Forwards: Kahwi Leonard, J.J. Hickson
Centers: Nerlens Noel
Philadelphia
Guards: Stephen Curry,
Forwards: Derrick Favors, Harrison Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Centers: Demarcus Cousins, Kosta Koufos
Chicago
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Danny Green, J.R. Smith, Greivis Vasquez
Forwards: David Lee, Shawn Marion
Centers: Tyson Chandler
Indiana
Guards: Deron Williams
Forwards: Kevin Durant, Luis Scola
Centers: Robin Lopez
Cleveland
Guards: Ty Lawson, Tony Allen, Jamal Crawford
Forwards: Al Horford, Carl Landry
Centers: Kevin Garnett
Detroit
Guards: Bradley Beal, Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters
Forwards: Anthony Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu
Centers: Andre Drummond
Milwaukee
Guards: Mike Conley, J.J. Redick
Forwards: Paul George, Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza
Centers: Emeka Okafor
Miami
Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Gerald Henderson
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons
Centers: Chris Bosh
Atlanta
Guards: Dwyane Wade, Jeremy Lin
Forwards: Paul Pierce, Carlos Boozer
Centers: Nene Hilario, Samuel Dalembert
Orlando
Guards: Kobe Bryant, George Hill, Jarrett Jack
Forwards: Paul Millsap, Amar'e Stoudemire, Martell Webster
Centers: Omer Asik
Washington
Guards: John Wall, Klay Thompson
Forwards: Tobias Harris, Amir Johnson
Centers: Joakim Noah
WESTERN CONFERENCE
San Antonio
Guards: Andre Iguodala, Kemba Walker
Forwards: Kevin Love, Danny Granger, Thaddeus Young
Centers:JaVale McGee
Memphis
Guards: Chris Paul, Victor Oladipo, Thabo Sefolosha
Forwards: Ersan Ilyasova
Centers: Nikola Pekovic
Houston
Guards: James Harden, Goran Dragic
Forwards: Nicolas Batum
Centers:Al Jefferson, Marcin Gortat
Dallas
Guards: Tony Parker, Eric Gordon
Forwards: Kenneth Faried, Andrei Kirilenko
Centers: Enes Kanter
Los Angeles Lakers
Guards: Wesley Matthews, Jose Calderon
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki, Jared Dudley
Centers: Marc Gasol
Los Angeles Clippers
Guards: Derrick Rose, Arron Afflalo, DeMar DeRozan
Forwards: Blake Griffin
Centers: Nikola Vucevic
Golden State
Guards: Raymond Felton
Forwards: Zach Randolph, Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldridge
Centers: Roy Hibbert
Phoenix
Guards: Jeff Teague, O.J. Mayo
Forwards: David West, Jimmy Butler, Matt Barnes
Centers: Tim Duncan
Portland
Guards: Joe Johnson, Brandon Jennings
Forwards: Carmelo Anthony, Luol Deng, Tristan Thompson
Centers: Andrew Bynum
Oklahoma City
Guards: Ricky Rubio, Iman Shumpert, Kyle Korver
Forwards: Jeff Green
Centers: Dwight Howard
Denver
Guards: Damian Lillard, Kyle Lowry
Forwards: Greg Monroe, Wilson Chandler, Anderson Varejao,
Centers: Andrew Bogut
Minnesota
Guards: Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley
Forwards: Lebron James, Serge Ibaka
Centers: DeAndre Jordan
TLDR
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Nick, Atlanta took Gerald Henderson, Miami took Samuel Dalembert. tP.
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Mile High City selects
Vince Carter
An efficient spot up three point shooter to stretch the floor, and an added scoring punch with flare.
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I'll take Al Farouq Aminu for my pick and Brad Stevens for my coach
Stevens is just the third rookie selected thus far.
I like Aminu - highest TRB% of all small forwards. I'd lost confidence that he was going to get out of his own way, but he made real strides last season.
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Nick, Atlanta took Gerald Henderson, Miami took Samuel Dalembert. tP.
Thanks...TP for the catch
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Memphis Grizzzzzzz can't figure out who to take... so we'll take
Carlos Delfino
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Looking to move up in the 7th. 7.20 and other picks are available. TPs for offers.
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Coach pick? You know this:
(http://espn.go.com/photo/2008/0114/ncb_g_stallings_400.jpg)
I still have faith even though he just completely blanked Vandy's 2012 recruiting class.
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With the 21st pick in the 6th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
BRANDAN WRIGHT
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The Heat select Andre Miller.
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Coach pick? You know this:
(http://espn.go.com/photo/2008/0114/ncb_g_stallings_400.jpg)
I still have faith even though he just completely blanked Vandy's 2012 recruiting class.
Who is this?
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Vandy's HC, like every year.
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With the 21st pick in the 6th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
BRANDAN WRIGHT
Nice pick for the bulls
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Houston Rockets take Tayshaun Prince
Surprised he lasted this long. I was gonna go with another player but didn't know Tayshaun would still be on the board.
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Houston Rockets take Tayshaun Prince
Surprised he lasted this long. I was gonna go with another player but didn't know Tayshaun would still be on the board.
Me too. Shocked. Didn't realize Tayshaun was still on board until this morning.
Excellent pickup.
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Selfish plug.
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNk6s4pimU] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNk6s4pimU)
Who's still got it? VC that's who.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves select Shane Battier
(http://www.mvp-magazyn.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/battier-dunk-1.jpg)
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The Minnesota Timberwolves select Shane Battier
Nice pick. I was considering moving up to draft him seeing that he lasted so long. I would've taken him over a lot of other SFs taken this round.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves select Shane Battier
(http://www.mvp-magazyn.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/battier-dunk-1.jpg)
I think him and LeBron James are bestest friends. Anyone care to verify/disprove?
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PJ check PMs please.
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/53610/tayshaun-prince-and-the-grizzlies-stifling-defense (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/53610/tayshaun-prince-and-the-grizzlies-stifling-defense)
FWIW. Stats aren't everything y'all.
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Cleveland takes Lionel Hollins as its coach.
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We are now at lunch.
Rebus and Washington has until 1:45 to make both picks.
Fitzhickey and The Rondo Show can make their selections at any time.
I am still awaiting confirmation from Evantime regarding the earlier rescinded trade that has been reworked.
If Rebus makes his two picks early. please hold off on continuing the draft until I come back from lunch.
AB and air are up in the coaches round
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
This was the guy I was shocked at being available. I don't want to step on Wiggle's team promotion, but check out this comparison:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=crawfja01&y1=2013&p2=ellismo01&y2=2013&p3=jennibr01&y3=2013&p4=walkeke02&y4=2013 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=crawfja01&y1=2013&p2=ellismo01&y2=2013&p3=jennibr01&y3=2013&p4=walkeke02&y4=2013)
That's Jamal Crawford, Monta Ellis, Jennings, and Kemba. Kemba was arguably the best or second-best of the group last year, but gets forgotten because Charlotte is so horrible. Nice pickup.
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Washington selects Evan Turner with the 6.24.
(http://www.nba.com/media/act_evan_turner.jpg)
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Rebus, check PMs.
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Washington selects Evan Turner with the 6.24.
(http://www.nba.com/media/act_evan_turner.jpg)
Taken right out from under me again!
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If anybody got an extra 7th rounder, shoot me a PM.
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Washington selects Evan Turner with the 6.24.
(http://www.nba.com/media/act_evan_turner.jpg)
Nice pick.
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Houston Rockets take Tayshaun Prince
Surprised he lasted this long. I was gonna go with another player but didn't know Tayshaun would still be on the board.
Me too. Shocked. Didn't realize Tayshaun was still on board until this morning.
Excellent pickup.
Yeah, I completely overlooked him.
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I didn't have a chance to do a full write-up on the selection because I was rushing to the podium with his name card.
President/GM McHP Quote: "Here in Minnesota, we are thrilled to announce that we have selected Shane Battier in the sixth round. We are happy to add one of the most cerebral veteran defensive players in the game today to our roster. We had a hole on our roster when it came to defending bigger guards and wing players and that is a role that Shane has excelled in for the duration of his career. He also possesses a great three-point shot that will be an effective weapon for this team. His veteran leadership will be invaluable both on the floor and off as his effort and hard work on the court is only exceeded by his preparation and dedication to improving off of it. Welcome to Minnesota, Shane."
(http://bigdukeballs.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/shane_battier_kobe_bryant.jpg)
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Also...
Riah is the next to pick a coach. I know Nick has been making roster selections for him. Will you be be making his coach selection, too?
Should he be skipped for now to let others continue with the coach selection?
It has been moving today after a stagnant weekend and I didn't want to see it stop now considering Nick has been helping Riah.
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TRADE(now that we all, including me, have our act together)
Brooklyn sends 7.16 and 8.10
Philadelphia sends Kosta Koufos and 13.17
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
A two-round jump for a guy who went a few picks earlier?
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
Hm. Its an overpay because this is a 1 year league. But in the real NBA, it'd be legit.
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
Thanks Commish.
Martell is the guy I have been willing to overpay since last night. Excellent SG/SF who's been very efficient shooting the ball, especially on spot ups. And while they VC and Webster is posting pretty much the same numbers, I like the youth and versatility Martell gives to the Nuggets.
Webster (6'7") and Chandler (6'8") gives us a lot of size on the wings too.
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
A two-round jump for a guy who went a few picks earlier?
Given the 9th rounders are right next to each other, it amounts to a three round fall to move up 18 spots in the 6th round
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Also...
Riah is the next to pick a coach. I know Nick has been making roster selections for him. Will you be be making his coach selection, too?
Should he be skipped for now to let others continue with the coach selection?
It has been moving today after a stagnant weekend and I didn't want to see it stop now considering Nick has been helping Riah.
riah is back and earlier posted he would be making all the rest of his selections
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
A two-round jump for a guy who went a few picks earlier?
Not to mention Carter > Webster, IMO.
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
Hm. Its an overpay because this is a 1 year league. But in the real NBA, it'd be legit.
It's an overpay I'd willing to do. Heck, I was offering two 7th's for a 10th and 11th IIRC last night for a chance to land this guy.
I just really like the fit and what he brings. And since he's so versatile, I can plug Webster in the three spot. I don't have to worry about depth in the SF position with Webster in the team.
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With the 7.1, Washington selects Spencer Hawes.
(http://philaphans.com/sixers/files/2012/01/Spencer.jpg)
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With 7.2 the Knicks select Kirk Hinrich
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We are back!
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With 7.2 the Knicks select Kirk Hinrich
Nice. Solid pickup
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TRADE
Denver trades Vince Carter, 7.7, 9.7
Orlando trades Martell Webster. 9.10, 10.16
A two-round jump for a guy who went a few picks earlier?
Not to mention Carter > Webster, IMO.
Defensively? Webster > VC.
They posted the same offensive numbers (Webster is better at 3PT actually). But Webster is younger, can play both wing positions and not have a setback on production. Honestly I'm happy despite the overpay. I trust my drafting judgments enough to find ways to compensate for the overpay. At least I have a team with wings that have size, can stretch the floor because they shoot outside extremely well (atleast the numbers says they do) and can play good to great defense (depending on who you ask).
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With 7.3 the Knicks select floor spreader Andrea Bargnani
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
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With 7.2 the Knicks select Kirk Hinrich
Nice. Solid pickup
Thanks. Good Rondo replacement while he's out. Better back up when he returns.
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Portland will take Scott Brooks to be there coach.
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Still trying to move up in this round. PMs --> TPs
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
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Who wants to sell me their 13th rounders for some TP's? PM ME
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
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Debating some trades and pick targets. Will select shortly.
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
That's it, no maple syrup or cheap prescription drugs for you. ;D
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The Los Angeles Lakers select defensive phenom Luc Mbah a Moute.
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
That's it, no maple syrup or cheap prescription drugs for you. ;D
What about cheap prescription maple syrup?
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The Los Angeles Lakers select defensive phenom Luc Mbah a Moute.
which one?
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
That's it, no maple syrup or cheap prescription drugs for you. ;D
Just don't take away his Molson's
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
I would agree.
I think I know who he's going to hire as coach, now that GC mentions it. ;D
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Lakers looking to use 8.14 to trade up for a mid-late 7th rounder.
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
I would agree.
I think I know who he's going to hire as coach, now that GC mentions it. ;D
I'd be careful, your team might have to move to Canada to get access to that free healthcare to deal with all your injury risks. ;D
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Golden state will take Lou Williams with its 7th round pick.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select defensive phenom Luc Mbah a Moute.
which one?
The one who has contained the likes of Lebron, KD, Melo, AND Kobe... just to name a few.
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GC check PM
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Memphis Grrizzzzzzz select.....
Dorell Wright
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With the 7th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
METTA WORLD PEACE
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Washington feels it did pretty well getting Evan Turner at the 6.24 and Spencer Hawes at the 7.1.
I would agree.
What is Rebus doing? Rebuilding the 2010 Sixers?!?
I would agree.
I think I know who he's going to hire as coach, now that GC mentions it. ;D
I'd be careful, your team might have to move to Canada to get access to that free healthcare to deal with all your injury risks. ;D
As if Denver isn't cold enough... Then again, they have better beer up there compare to Coors. Might as well.
I should talk to Francesco Aquilini to buy the team and move it to Vancouver. Ah, but I hate the Canucks though...
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Why
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To anyone who we sent offers to about moving up, you can ignore those now.
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Memphis Grrizzzzzzz select.....
Dorell Wright
Oh no you didnt!? NO!?
Why must you do this GC!?
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Memphis Grrizzzzzzz select.....
Dorell Wright
Great pick at this point in the draft. Wright is a player I've liked for a long time, contributes in a lot of different ways. Interesting to see the Blazers may play him spot minutes at the 4.
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Memphis Grrizzzzzzz select.....
Dorell Wright
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqrrylVyfU1qkb66ro1_400.jpg)
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Memphis Grrizzzzzzz select.....
Dorell Wright
Great pick at this point in the draft. Wright is a player I've liked for a long time, contributes in a lot of different ways. Interesting to see the Blazers may play him spot minutes at the 4.
He's long been one of my binkies... Just read a great interview with him and he sounds like a real good, humble kid (and father).
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fwf check PM
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fwf check PM
He can't. He's in class and I have his next selection
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Portland will take Scott Brooks to be there coach.
In case this was missed.
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Portland will take Scott Brooks to be there coach.
In case this was missed.
Oh, it was definitely missed....LOL. TP
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Andray Blatche fool
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Andray Blatche fool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48
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Spurs undecided between two players, taking offers on 7.11. Pick is due in 10 minutes.
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With the 10th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
NICK COLLISON
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Golden state will take Lou Williams with its 7th round pick.
Incredible that Lou Will lasted this long. Great value.
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Golden state will take Lou Williams with its 7th round pick.
Incredible that Lou Will lasted this long. Great value.
Lost to injury right as he was heating up in Atlanta. Tough break for Sweet Lou, but I understand how that threw him under the radar.
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Andray Blatche fool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzRvZcFn48
HAHAHAHAHA. TP
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Golden state will take Lou Williams with its 7th round pick.
Incredible that Lou Will lasted this long. Great value.
Lakers seriously considered him at 7.4, but the quality of defense falls off much quicker than the quality of offense from here on out.
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
NICK COLLISON
am I reading this wrong, or did you leapfrog TWW?
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
NICK COLLISON
10th pick correct? I ask because Collison was the player at the top of the Spurs draft board. Big bronx cheer to FoulWeatherFan.
I suppose getting scooped with one pick to go is a CB Draft tradition.
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
How did a legitimate 20+ point scorer fall this far? :o
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[Nevermind: question answered.]
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
Mostly b/c i made a bunch of dumb decisions... he's been high on my list and I kept zigging when i shoulda zagged.
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
NICK COLLISON
10th pick correct? I ask because Collison was the player at the top of the Spurs draft board. Big bronx cheer to FoulWeatherFan.
I suppose getting scooped with one pick to go is a CB Draft tradition.
yeah he had the tenth pick. the pick is correct the typing wrong
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
How did a legitimate 20+ point scorer fall this far? :o
Because the one time he scored 20 ppg he did it over the course of 27 games on a terrible team.
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
How did a legitimate 20+ point scorer fall this far? :o
A skeleton from my fantasy draft past. 2009 shout out.
One way player. But he's a good get in Round 7. I'm penciling him down for a strong season.
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Because the one time he scored 20 ppg he did it over the course of 27 games on a terrible team.
Well, I stand corrected. I thought he put up 20+ his first full season in Sactown as well.
A skeleton from my fantasy draft past. 2009 shout out.
One way player. But he's a good get in Round 7. I'm penciling him down for a strong season.
He helped me win my own 2009 fantasy basketball league. I agree he'll be having a strong season with a functional organization in place for once. I don't think he'll be ceding minutes to John Salmons again, and Evans is out of the picture.
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With the 11th pick in the 7th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Marcus Thornton.
Mostly b/c i made a bunch of dumb decisions... he's been high on my list and I kept waggling zigging when i shoulda zagged wiggled.
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The Memphiz Grizzzzzz, continuing their string of confounding moves today select this gentleman to steer our sinking ship:
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/jeff-van-gundy-3d.jpg)
Grizz select Jeff Van Gundy as coach.
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Because the one time he scored 20 ppg he did it over the course of 27 games on a terrible team.
Well, I stand corrected. I thought he put up 20+ his first full season in Sactown as well.
Per36 he did, which suits the Spurs just fine.
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Because the one time he scored 20 ppg he did it over the course of 27 games on a terrible team.
Well, I stand corrected. I thought he put up 20+ his first full season in Sactown as well.
A skeleton from my fantasy draft past. 2009 shout out.
One way player. But he's a good get in Round 7. I'm penciling him down for a strong season.
He helped me win my own 2009 fantasy basketball league. I agree he'll be having a strong season with a functional organization in place for once. I don't think he'll be ceding minutes to John Salmons again, and Evans is out of the picture.
I wish it ended as well for me. I drafted him here, spent the summer crowing about him, drafted him in our twenty team CB H2H keeper league, then cut him to the play the wire 2-3 weeks before he broke into the rotation.
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I wish it ended as well for me. I drafted him here, spent the summer crowing about him, drafted him in our twenty team CB H2H keeper league, then cut him to the play the wire 2-3 weeks before he broke into the rotation.
Sounds like what a lot of Ersan Ilyasova owners would do.
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Fallin' behind a bit here guys.
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So Lakers can make their pick now, right?
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here, just trying to co-ordinate.
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You could, or you could be a pal and wait a minute.
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You could, or you could be a pal and wait a minute.
I'll wait if you trade me Pierce for Thornton in DKC.
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Sorry Boston, I only have one minute left to pick myself, so:
The Los Angeles Lakers select Ed Davis.
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You can go, TP for waiting, I'm still thinking.
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Boston selects Evan Fournier and kinda wishes we'd made a list
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Boston selects Evan Fournier and kinda wishes we'd made a list
Nice pick. I love his game.
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lol jameer u old
Hawks take Jameer Nelson, who moves Jeremy Lin to the bench and does nothing but pass and shoot 3s all day, if he knows what's good for him.
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With the 15th pick in the 6th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Kemba Walker
He's already learning the Wiggle.
This was the guy I was shocked at being available. I don't want to step on Wiggle's team promotion, but check out this comparison:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=crawfja01&y1=2013&p2=ellismo01&y2=2013&p3=jennibr01&y3=2013&p4=walkeke02&y4=2013 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=crawfja01&y1=2013&p2=ellismo01&y2=2013&p3=jennibr01&y3=2013&p4=walkeke02&y4=2013)
That's Jamal Crawford, Monta Ellis, Jennings, and Kemba. Kemba was arguably the best or second-best of the group last year, but gets forgotten because Charlotte is so horrible. Nice pickup.
I feel even better about the pick after looking at those comparisons.
I also like the Walker/Iguodala pairing - having such a strong secondary ball handler should allow Kemba to stay aggressive.
Kudos on the Collison pick by the way. He's long been a personal fave, and is consistently one of my draft targets. His box scores will never knock you over, but he plays winning basketball on both ends.
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I'm not going to pile on my fellow mods too much, but I think maybe they've gotten a little too cute this year.
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Hey SO, look at all the love for Collison in here!
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Evantime! Check PM's!
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Any of the remaining 7th rounders care to trade down with the Lakers?
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The Sixers select Kendrick Perkins and Gerald Wallace as veterans to help develop our youngsters.
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I'm not going to pile on my fellow mods too much, but I think maybe they've gotten a little too cute this year.
Kyrie Irving
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Evan Fournier
Pau Gasol/Gallo/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
I don't really see the problem. Shooting, defense, high-upside. All done with the crappiest drafting spot and zero time from either of us..could be better, but I think it could be a lot worse.
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The Sixers select Kendrick Perkins and Gerald Wallace as veterans to help develop our youngsters.
White flag to Detroit?
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Kudos on the Collison pick by the way. He's long been a personal fave, and is consistently one of my draft targets. His box scores will never knock you over, but he plays winning basketball on both ends.
Thanks TWW, Blatche was top on my list but Collison was a close 2nd. Need a great intangible guy as my 4th big, and there are few better than Nick.
Big TPs to the other Nick, the commish, for making my picks. Thanks for absolutely crushing the commissiating, which is a word I just made up but seems to fit.
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Evantime check PMs.
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lol jameer u old
Hawks take Jameer Nelson, who moves Jeremy Lin to the bench and does nothing but pass and shoot 3s all day, if he knows what's good for him.
Just fire the marketing department. Bottom five in attendance doesn't need to be a tradition in Atlanta.
I will say this, round-by-round, Champ might have CB's highest overall success rate. He consistently finds solid rotation players.
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The Sixers select Kendrick Perkins and Gerald Wallace as veterans to help develop our youngsters.
White flag to Detroit?
What do you mean to Detroit?
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What do you mean to Detroit?
Look at their roster.
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What do you mean to Detroit?
Look at their roster.
I don't get it either. They have a young roster and some wily vets off the bench to mentor the youth and get some minutes is a pretty good idea, IMHO.
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The Sixers select Kendrick Perkins and Gerald Wallace as veterans to help develop our youngsters.
Gerald Wallace is great, great value at this point in the draft. Even in the midst of an awful offensive season, he was still soaking up minutes, defending both forward spots at a high level, and moving the ball well on offense.
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What do you mean to Detroit?
Look at their roster.
I don't get it either. They have a young roster and some wily vets off the bench to mentor the youth and get some minutes is a pretty good idea, IMHO.
I am thinking with respect to TOTF.
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I'm not going to pile on my fellow mods too much, but I think maybe they've gotten a little too cute this year.
Kyrie Irving
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Evan Fournier
Pau Gasol/Gallo/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
I don't really see the problem. Shooting, defense, high-upside. All done with the crappiest drafting spot and zero time from either of us..could be better, but I think it could be a lot worse.
The "high upside" part is what I'm talking about. You're betting on upside, where in a lot of cases, that upside is no better than what was available (as a proven player) on the board.
Kanter was one of the bigger reaches of the third round. Gortat seemed like the best and safest option in my mind. At least with Kanter, a lot of people see upside.
However, spending your 6th and 7th rounders on guys who *combined* for 14.1 points per game last year just seems like a pretty big waste, especially with guys like Thornton, Delfino, etc. still available.
It's like you're in DKC mode, or building a team of the future. You started with a core of Kyrie Irving and Pau Gasol, which made your squad a top-tier contender. Instead of supplementing that core with excellent role players, you've by and large reached for players.
From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender. I wonder, if you'd put together a squad like this, would you be better off:
Gortat
Gasol / Splitter
Battier
Gordon / Delfino
Irving
(Swap out Battier with a SF to be named later if you wish).
Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's what I meant by "cute".
(And, yes, I do realize you're sort of mailing it in this year, and understandably so.)
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What do you mean to Detroit?
Look at their roster.
Oh I get it now. I have said this before, I will never attempt to build a team of the future, I will pick the players I believe to be the best fit then once the season starts and I am proven correct I will point it out to others.
IE.. my "team of the future" that included Paul George and Damian Lillard last year.
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Might be a reach, but Hawks take
John Henson
Blocks and rebounds!
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Might be a reach, but Hawks take
John Henson
Blocks and rebounds!
From our DKC discussions, I expected nothing less from you. Lol
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Might be a reach, but Hawks take
John Henson
Blocks and rebounds!
I like him - he put up solid efficiency stats for a rookie last year, and should continue to develop. Needs to work on consistency, and I don't know if he'll be ready for primetime this year, but a very promising piece.
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Might be a reach, but Hawks take
John Henson
Blocks and rebounds!
Spurs would've drafted him tomorrow am. His metrics look great. If he'd landed into a solid rotation role on another team last season, everybody would be talking about him.
CK backing up my chatter.
I will say this, round-by-round, Champ might have CB's highest overall success rate. He consistently finds solid rotation players.
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Might be a reach, but Hawks take
John Henson
Blocks and rebounds!
Spurs would've drafted him tomorrow am. His metrics look great. If he'd landed into a solid rotation role on another team last season, everybody would be talking about him.
CK backing up my chatter.
I will say this, round-by-round, Champ might have CB's highest overall success rate. He consistently finds solid rotation players.
I'm mostly sad that I missed out on adding Gerald Wallace to my old man crew. Henson is all over the place, but when he puts it together he does things like go 28/16 or 17/25. Assuming he put on a little bulk after living in Wisconsin, he should be better off holding it down in the paint this year.
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Waiting on a trade announcement, but I'll make the other GM's pick on time if the trade isn't posted before 3:20.
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Assuming he put on a little bulk after living in Wisconsin, he should be better off holding it down in the paint this year.
I can't help but envision a training regimen that involves all the Scotch Eggs, bratwurst, and dairy products he can stomach, provided they come from cows who have been massively dosed with rBGH.
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Cleveland takes Mo Williams, soon to be traded.
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I think it is a year too early for Henson.
I don't expect much more from him next season than what he did last year for Milwaukee. Two established starters in Ilysaova and L.Sanders ahead of him and ____ taking backup center minutes. Competing with ---- for the 15-20mpg that is leftover.
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I think it is a year too early for Henson.
I don't expect much more from him next season than what he did last year for Milwaukee. Two established starters in Ilysaova and L.Sanders ahead of him and () taking backup center minutes. Competing with () for the 15-20mpg that is leftover.
Still don't understand that () signing...
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I think it is a year too early for Henson.
I don't expect much more from him next season than what he did last year for Milwaukee. Two established starters in Ilysaova and L.Sanders ahead of him and -------- taking backup center minutes. Competing with _______ for the 15-20mpg that is leftover.
Still don't understand that () signing...
NAMES!
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It was Who!!! I swear!!!
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizards select:
MIKE DUNLEAVY
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Sorry, my mistake.
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizards select:
MIKE DUNLEAVY
Love the value of this pick, and love his prospects for this upcoming year. Nice pick.
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I'm not going to pile on my fellow mods too much, but I think maybe they've gotten a little too cute this year.
Kyrie Irving
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Evan Fournier
Pau Gasol/Gallo/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
I don't really see the problem. Shooting, defense, high-upside. All done with the crappiest drafting spot and zero time from either of us..could be better, but I think it could be a lot worse.
The "high upside" part is what I'm talking about. You're betting on upside, where in a lot of cases, that upside is no better than what was available (as a proven player) on the board.
Kanter was one of the bigger reaches of the third round. Gortat seemed like the best and safest option in my mind. At least with Kanter, a lot of people see upside.
However, spending your 6th and 7th rounders on guys who *combined* for 14.1 points per game last year just seems like a pretty big waste, especially with guys like Thornton, Delfino, etc. still available.
It's like you're in DKC mode, or building a team of the future. You started with a core of Kyrie Irving and Pau Gasol, which made your squad a top-tier contender. Instead of supplementing that core with excellent role players, you've by and large reached for players.
From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender. I wonder, if you'd put together a squad like this, would you be better off:
Gortat
Gasol / Splitter
Battier
Gordon / Delfino
Irving
(Swap out Battier with a SF to be named later if you wish).
Anyway, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's what I meant by "cute".
(And, yes, I do realize you're sort of mailing it in this year, and understandably so.)
Yeah, I guess i can see that. I hate the Gortat team, but I see it.
Everyone on our team's a starter walking into next season (with the possible exception of Stephenson), everyone's got good metrics, everyone's got experience as a starter and is presumed to improve (with the exception of Gasol improving, and Fourier having limited experience).
I guess its kinda of an upside thing, but in the real NBA, these are a lot of good bets, not just for the future, but also just to be competent starting rotation players if nothing else next year.
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Portland Selects Darren Collison.
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Portland Selects Darren Collison.
Dang... Was hoping I could reunite LRMAM and Collison back in LA in the 8th round.
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With the 12th pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Washington Wizards select:
MIKE DUNLEAVY
DARN IT!
First Dor-L and now Dunleavy. He was dropping and dropping then POW!
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Just so you all know, I'm planning on finishing my team almost as well as this Classic Mid-2000's TV show ended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO6zbI5NJi4
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What's this Mo Williams trade?
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It appears as thoug I am up, and while I know he can't handle a full starters load anymore the Pacers Select, Ray Allen
Excited to add the championship experience, deadly shooting, and clutchness
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Evan, resend the trade to nick.
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Well a busy work day and a couple of lighting rounds have left me pretty much sitting on the sidelines.
Very excited to add Ed Davis and Mbah a Moute today. Should bring some terrific athleticism and defensive ability to our team.
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It appears as thoug I am up, and while I know he can't handle a full starters load anymore the Pacers Select, Ray Allen
Excited to add the championship experience, deadly shooting, and clutchness
Not too many HOFers who can still provide quality minutes in the 7th round. He's yet another on my "would've taken, but...Kobe" list.
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It appears as thoug I am up, and while I know he can't handle a full starters load anymore the Pacers Select, Ray Allen
Excited to add the championship experience, deadly shooting, and clutchness
Not too many HOFers who can still provide quality minutes in the 7th round. He's yet another on my "would've taken, but...Kobe" list.
Thanks,
I gotta say, I know my trade at the begining was risky but very happy with a starting unit of
Deron
Ray Ray
Durant
Scola
R. Lopez
And like I said, Ray won't be getting Full starter minutes but im comfortable giving him 25.
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With the 23rd pick in the 7th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
BRANDON BASS
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
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Yes, we overpaid a little, but we got the last piece of our playoff rotation puzzle.
Oh, and want tough-as-nails guys? We got TA, Wallace, and KG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1WKWVVikdg
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Waiting on Minnesota for the last pick of the day.
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Denver selects Courtney Lee.
Even on a down year, he still managed to post good shooting numbers and is still known as a very good defender.
This also allows the team to move Webster to his comfortable 6th man role.
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From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender.
And that strikes me as the optimistic view. With Gallinari missing from one to three months, do the Celtics have the night-in-night out production to make the playoffs? Particularly, with early chatter that Gasol will have his minutes monitored, to protect him for the postseason. That's going to press Valanciunas, a player I love and targeted, into second option scoring duty, a tough prospect, that also puts pressure on the players behind him in the pecking order, Splitter, Stephenson, and Fournier, none of whom have yet shown the ability to reliably get 12 points per game.
Fournier is another player I like a lot, but he just failed to make the French national team, penciling him as a third option scorer at SF in Gallos absence may be optimistic. He's just 20 and is also a little light at that spot, 6'6" and 200 lbs.
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It appears as thoug I am up, and while I know he can't handle a full starters load anymore the Pacers Select, Ray Allen
Excited to add the championship experience, deadly shooting, and clutchness
Not too many HOFers who can still provide quality minutes in the 7th round. He's yet another on my "would've taken, but...Kobe" list.
Thanks,
I gotta say, I know my trade at the begining was risky but very happy with a starting unit of
Deron
Ray Ray
Durant
Scola
R. Lopez
And like I said, Ray won't be getting Full starter minutes but im comfortable giving him 25.
I like the Allen pick. Great addition.
I'd love to see a strong defensive center brought in though.
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
THIS IS THE TRADE I RECEIVED FROM BOTH GMS WITH CONFIRMATIONS.
IS THIS THE TRADE?
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
THIS IS THE TRADE I RECEIVED FROM BOTH GMS WITH CONFIRMATIONS.
IS THIS THE TRADE?
Yes. Is something wrong?
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From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender.
And that strikes me as the optimistic view. With Gallinari missing from one to three months, do the Celtics have the night-in-night out production to make the playoffs? Particularly, with early chatter that Gasol will have his minutes monitored, to protect him for the postseason. That's going to press Valanciunas, a player I love and targeted, into second option scoring duty, a tough prospect, that also puts pressure on the players behind him in the pecking order, Splitter, Stephenson, and Fournier, none of whom have yet shown the ability to reliably get 12 points per game.
Fournier is another player I like a lot, but he just failed to make the French national team, penciling him as a third option scorer at SF in Gallos absence may be optimistic. He's just 20 and is also a little light at that spot, 6'6" and 200 lbs.
Edited by IP?
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are happy to select Taj Gibson
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
THIS IS THE TRADE I RECEIVED FROM BOTH GMS WITH CONFIRMATIONS.
IS THIS THE TRADE?
Yes. Is something wrong?
Yes people are claiming typos and changing the trade and I want to confirm this is the trade
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are happy to select Taj Gibson
Solid. I would've looked hard at Gibson if I didn't already have Love/Young.
He had a tough year, but he's easy to like.
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From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender.
And that strikes me as the optimistic view. With Gallinari missing from one to three months, do the Celtics have the night-in-night out production to make the playoffs? Particularly, with early chatter that Gasol will have his minutes monitored, to protect him for the postseason. That's going to press Valanciunas, a player I love and targeted, into second option scoring duty, a tough prospect, that also puts pressure on the players behind him in the pecking order, Splitter, Stephenson, and Fournier, none of whom have yet shown the ability to reliably get 12 points per game.
Fournier is another player I like a lot, but he just failed to make the French national team, penciling him as a third option scorer at SF in Gallos absence may be optimistic. He's just 20 and is also a little light at that spot, 6'6" and 200 lbs.
Edited by IP?
You quoted it wrong, with my name instead of Roy's. Just cleaned it up a bit, ya paranoid weirdo. Frankly, I think all our banter about DANNY GRANGER has had a DEGENERATIVE effect on our relationship. I'm no weak-KNEEed backstabber, I'd never alter your post in a way that was inaccurate or self-serving. Some thing are beyond reproach, sir.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are happy to select Taj Gibson
Shocked that Taj Gibson lasted this long. Excellent pick.
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
THIS IS THE TRADE I RECEIVED FROM BOTH GMS WITH CONFIRMATIONS.
IS THIS THE TRADE?
I guess I wasn't paying attention, I thought I was getting the 10th rounder and Cleveland was getting my twelfth pick. I essentially moved back when I was getting Mo Williams. However, since I wasn't paying attention enough to catch it I'm fine with the trade being this, since it is my fault.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are happy to select Taj Gibson
Solid. I would've looked hard at Gibson if I didn't already have Love/Young.
He had a tough year, but he's easy to like.
I have the ability to play LeBron at the 4, but I still needed a 3rd big man capable of minutes on account of Jordan's FT%/4thQ issues. Gibson is a fantastic pick-and-roll defender, shot blocker, energy guy and posted solid per-36 numbers this past year. Doesn't spread the floor very well, but is athletic and moves well for a 6'9"/6'10" guy.
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
THIS IS THE TRADE I RECEIVED FROM BOTH GMS WITH CONFIRMATIONS.
IS THIS THE TRADE?
I guess I wasn't paying attention, I thought I was getting the 10th rounder and Cleveland was getting my twelfth pick. I essentially moved back when I was getting Mo Williams. However, since I wasn't paying attention enough to catch it I'm fine with the trade being this, since it is my fault.
We don't have these picks, so it won't work anyways. Check PMs, ET. I changed it to what it should be, we just need your confirmation. I wasn't trying to screw you over; honest mistake on my part as well. We should be sending the 10th for your 12th.
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TRADE
Philadelphia sends Gerald Wallace, 10.19
Cleveland sends Mo Williams, 12.9
TRADE RESCINDED
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From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender.
And that strikes me as the optimistic view. With Gallinari missing from one to three months, do the Celtics have the night-in-night out production to make the playoffs? Particularly, with early chatter that Gasol will have his minutes monitored, to protect him for the postseason. That's going to press Valanciunas, a player I love and targeted, into second option scoring duty, a tough prospect, that also puts pressure on the players behind him in the pecking order, Splitter, Stephenson, and Fournier, none of whom have yet shown the ability to reliably get 12 points per game.
Fournier is another player I like a lot, but he just failed to make the French national team, penciling him as a third option scorer at SF in Gallos absence may be optimistic. He's just 20 and is also a little light at that spot, 6'6" and 200 lbs.
Meh. Gallo's back by december, that'll be tough for the interim, but we still have picks and time. Splitter though and Valanciunas can play together for large stretches, especially against second units, and Fournier looks like the real deal (although I'm perplexed he missed out of the French National team, I'm sure this is gonna be a pick that looks better at the All-Star break than it does now).
Like I says before, they're all starters, all players who can do something now and in the future, and arguably should improve coming into next season, and they all have the benefit of being drafted by me.
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From my perspective, the Mod Squad is probably a lower-end playoff team, and certainly not a contender.
And that strikes me as the optimistic view. With Gallinari missing from one to three months, do the Celtics have the night-in-night out production to make the playoffs? Particularly, with early chatter that Gasol will have his minutes monitored, to protect him for the postseason. That's going to press Valanciunas, a player I love and targeted, into second option scoring duty, a tough prospect, that also puts pressure on the players behind him in the pecking order, Splitter, Stephenson, and Fournier, none of whom have yet shown the ability to reliably get 12 points per game.
Fournier is another player I like a lot, but he just failed to make the French national team, penciling him as a third option scorer at SF in Gallos absence may be optimistic. He's just 20 and is also a little light at that spot, 6'6" and 200 lbs.
Edited by IP?
You quoted it wrong, with my name instead of Roy's. Just cleaned it up a bit, ya paranoid weirdo. Frankly, I think all our banter about DANNY GRANGER has had a DEGENERATIVE effect on our relationship. I'm no weak-KNEEed backstabber, I'd never alter your post in a way that was inaccurate or self-serving. Some thing are beyond reproach, sir.
I only asked because I couldn't find an edit. THE Walker Wiggle does have some priors on his record for masked profanity and meanness.
I am impressed by your commitment to keeping Granger's DEGENERATIVE KNEE CONDITION in the discussion, but maybe get wdleehi to help out the cause, so you can spend some at that time on a draft board? I'm a fan of Masai Ujiri and by extension Fournier but he would've been available same time tomorrow.
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STATEMENT
Twice today I was given a lot more work than is necessary because GMs are sending in improper trades or are not writing their team names in or are trying to trades last minute with only 5 minutes between picks or whatever.
Please use the following format when sending in a trade:
Team A sends: Player A, pick 123
Team B sends: Player B, pick 456
I want the trade typed by each GM and I do not want just CC's confirming trades. Trades in any other format will not be accepted from this point forward.
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STATEMENT
Twice today I was given a lot more work than is necessary because GMs are sending in improper trades or are not writing their team names in or are trying to trades last minute with only 5 minutes between picks or whatever.
Please use the following format when sending in a trade:
Team A sends: Player A, pick 123
Team B sends: Player B, pick 456
I want the trade typed by each GM and I do not want just CC's confirming trades. Trades in any other format will not be accepted from this point forward.
I apologize, tp.
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Meh. Gallo's back by december, that'll be tough for the interim, but we still have picks and time.
Is that sure? I'd thought he wasn't willing to commit to a timeframe?
This procedure changes completely my rehab and recovery time. But I'll inform you later about that.
They may want decide to bring him back slowly? His ACL procedure had to be delayed because he was still recovering from meniscus surgery to the same knee. He only played in 43 games in 10-11 and averages just 57.
Any word if these multiple KNEE injuries indicate a DEGENERATIVE condition? Similar to DANNY GRANGER'S? (Saving you some trouble.)
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Meh. Gallo's back by december, that'll be tough for the interim, but we still have picks and time.
Where did you get this from? I thought his time frame was completely up in the air and that it was a very real possibility of him not making it back by the end of the calendar year.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are happy to select Taj Gibson
Shocked that Taj Gibson lasted this long. Excellent pick.
Yeah, it was either Taj Gibson or Ed Davis for us at 7.15
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Washington is happy to nab Mike Dunleavy although we did have our hopes set on Marcus Thornton before somebody stole him.
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Washington is happy to nab Mike Dunleavy although we did have our hopes set on Marcus Thornton before somebody stole him.
Are you happy that you stole Mike Dunleavy from the Nuggets? I mean we had Lee which is great but you ruined the Mile High City, so, enjoy.
;D
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Meh. Gallo's back by december, that'll be tough for the interim, but we still have picks and time.
Is that sure? I'd thought he wasn't willing to commit to a timeframe?
This procedure changes completely my rehab and recovery time. But I'll inform you later about that.
They may want decide to bring him back slowly? His ACL procedure had to be delayed because he was still recovering from meniscus surgery to the same knee. He only played in 43 games in 10-11 and averages just 57.
Any word if these multiple KNEE injuries indicate a DEGENERATIVE condition? Similar to DANNY GRANGER'S? (Saving you some trouble.)
The one I read was that Gallo's partially torn ACL had a probable return of Decemeber, 'According to a league source', if that's the same as your link, that's fine.
And I'm not sure that Gallinari's and DANNY GRANGER's injuries are related at all, or that Gallo's indicates a DEGENERATIVE condition in any fashion. Dealing with KNEES is always a crapshoot, but with Gallo's prognosis remarkably positive considering the initial dire news, and the fact that he's on a team I'm a part of, leads me to believe he will come back fully recovered, and with adamantium bones.
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STATEMENT
Twice today I was given a lot more work than is necessary because GMs are sending in improper trades or are not writing their team names in or are trying to trades last minute with only 5 minutes between picks or whatever.
Please use the following format when sending in a trade:
Team A sends: Player A, pick 123
Team B sends: Player B, pick 456
I want the trade typed by each GM and I do not want just CC's confirming trades. Trades in any other format will not be accepted from this point forward.
I apologize, tp.
Apologies nick. Honest mistake. Once Evan sends his side of the correct deal we can (hopefully) put this behind us.
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Washington is happy to nab Mike Dunleavy although we did have our hopes set on Marcus Thornton before somebody stole him.
Are you happy that you stole Mike Dunleavy from the Nuggets? I mean we had Lee which is great but you ruined the Mile High City, so, enjoy.
;D
That just makes it sweeter. Picture the episode of South Park where Cartman torments his bully and then licks his tears. ;)
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Washington is happy to nab Mike Dunleavy although we did have our hopes set on Marcus Thornton before somebody stole him.
I do these drafts in a ski mask.
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(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Taj+Gibson+T+Mobile+Rookie+Challenge+Youth+FLIkRbmhW3Pl.jpg)
Happy to add one of the best pick-and-roll defenders in the league. Capable of playing big minutes if the matchup so dictates or foul trouble occurs. Posts great per-36 stats (12.5PPG/8.5RPG/2BPG) also.
Welcome to Minnesota, Taj.
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Sorry everyone . Danged Internet messed up
The Dallas mavericks select: Brandon Knight
He has lots of potential and I think he will be nice off the bench
And my coach will be the former Celtic great Kevin Mchale
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TRADE
Cleveland sends: Mo Williams, 10.19
Philadelphia sends: Gerald Wallace, 12.9
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TRADE
Cleveland sends: Mo Williams, 10.19
Philadelphia sends: Gerald Wallace, 12.9
TP nick, and a bunch more to come.
Guys, don't be a goober like me. Check your trades!
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So I guess I should be glad I didn't have a 7th round pick. ::)
Totally did not realize we were doing 2 rounds per day this week. Is this the plan for the entire week?
Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
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Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
Ariza will be a incredible defensively alongside Mike Conley and Paul George. It's fun just imagining how many turnovers and ensuing fastbreak opportunities that trio can create.
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I want to pick a coach already... :-\
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Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
Ariza will be a incredible defensively alongside Mike Conley and Paul George. It's fun just imagining how many turnovers and ensuing fastbreak opportunities that trio can create.
This is pretty much exactly my vision. Also, due to my somewhat weaker front court, expect to see Conley/Redick/Ariza/George playing quite a bit together.
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Argh if only Kemba was mine
If only...
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Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
Ariza will be a incredible defensively alongside Mike Conley and Paul George. It's fun just imagining how many turnovers and ensuing fastbreak opportunities that trio can create.
This is pretty much exactly my vision. Also, due to my somewhat weaker front court, expect to see Conley/Redick/Ariza/George playing quite a bit together.
That's going to be a fast, engaged perimeter defense lineup with shooting, but will be tough against big physical teams, especially rebounding wise.
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I'll take Bismack Biyombo.
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so what did i miss?
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Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
Ariza will be a incredible defensively alongside Mike Conley and Paul George. It's fun just imagining how many turnovers and ensuing fastbreak opportunities that trio can create.
This is pretty much exactly my vision. Also, due to my somewhat weaker front court, expect to see Conley/Redick/Ariza/George playing quite a bit together.
That's going to be a fast, engaged perimeter defense lineup with shooting, but will be tough against big physical teams, especially rebounding wise.
Potentially, yes. Those big, bruising lineups are gonna have a heck of a time containing my 1-4 spots though. Those matchup nightmares work both ways.
Also, therecan't be many teams better equipped to defend the likes of LeBron/Durant/Melo.
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Anyways, I'm happy with the Ariza pick. He should fit perfectly next to Conley/Redick/George.
Ariza will be a incredible defensively alongside Mike Conley and Paul George. It's fun just imagining how many turnovers and ensuing fastbreak opportunities that trio can create.
This is pretty much exactly my vision. Also, due to my somewhat weaker front court, expect to see Conley/Redick/Ariza/George playing quite a bit together.
That's going to be a fast, engaged perimeter defense lineup with shooting, but will be tough against big physical teams, especially rebounding wise.
Potentially, yes. Those big, bruising lineups are gonna have a heck of a time containing my 1-4 spots though. Those matchup nightmares work both ways.
Also, therecan't be many teams better equipped to defend the likes of LeBron/Durant/Melo.
A Conley/Redick/Ariza/George/Okafor matchup against Ellis/Bradley/Battier/LeBron/Ibaka would be a fun game to watch.
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Golden States coaching vacancy is being filled by Monty Williams.
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Golden States coaching vacancy is being filled by Monty Williams.
Got a guy stolen from me again.
This day is not good, at all.
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TheTruthFot18 check pm's please
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A Conley/Redick/Ariza/George/Okafor matchup against Ellis/Bradley/Battier/LeBron/Ibaka would be a fun game to watch.
I'd definitely pay to see that. Maybe we'll meet in the Finals. ;)
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Just looked over the rosters and couldn't see a trade I'd wnat to do. And that makes KC a saaaaaaaaad Paaaanda.
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Just looked over the rosters and couldn't see a trade I'd wnat to do. And that makes KC a saaaaaaaaad Paaaanda.
Know how you feel.
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Just looked over the rosters and couldn't see a trade I'd wnat to do. And that makes KC a saaaaaaaaad Paaaanda.
Know how you feel.
Is it me or has there been less trades this year?
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Just looked over the rosters and couldn't see a trade I'd wnat to do. And that makes KC a saaaaaaaaad Paaaanda.
Know how you feel.
Is it me or has there been less trades this year?
Well it's definitely not you, you've made 1 of every 3 trade!
But yea, less trades. At least less big trades.
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DESIGNATED PICKS
With the 5th pick in the 6th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
PATRICK PATTERSON
With the 21st pick of the 7th round of the 2013 CR Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
STEVE NOVAK
Oklahoma City hires MIKE BROWN as their coach
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STATEMENT
The commissioner's office has assumed control of Oklahoma City until such time as their GM contacts the office and petitions for reinstatement.
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We also can open up for drafting at any time.
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STATEMENT
The commissioner's office has assumed control of Oklahoma City until such time as their GM contacts the office and petitions for reinstatement.
If a GM wants to trade with OKC do we just message you?
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STATEMENT
The commissioner's office has assumed control of Oklahoma City until such time as their GM contacts the office and petitions for reinstatement.
If a GM wants to trade with OKC do we just message you?
Yes, but OKC will not be making any trades while the commissioner's office has control of the team. We are only doing what is in the best interest of the franchise at the moment until we hear from the GM of OKC, at which point he may take over the team once again.
The best interest of the franchise at the moment is to make selection when the time arrives for selections to be made and nothing more. If the GM does not return or another GM can not be found to take control of the team, the commissioner's office would consider trading to improve the team, after the last round of the draft and trades would be considered at that time
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STATEMENT
The commissioner's office has assumed control of Oklahoma City until such time as their GM contacts the office and petitions for reinstatement.
If a GM wants to trade with OKC do we just message you?
Yes, but OKC will not be making any trades while the commissioner's office has control of the team. We are only doing what is in the best interest of the franchise at the moment until we hear from the GM of OKC, at which point he may take over the team once again.
The best interest of the franchise at the moment is to make selection when the time arrives for selections to be made and nothing more. If the GM does not return or another GM can not be found to take control of the team, the commissioner's office would consider trading to improve the team, after the last round of the draft and trades would be considered at that time
Thanks for clarifying
TP
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With the rest of the league in mind (and knowing we have to do two rounds again today) I will get it started early...
With the first pick of the 8th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select Glen "Big Baby" Davis
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Glen+Davis+Orlando+Magic+v+Boston+Celtics+MDRdvPVah4Zl.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to add a big man of Glen's caliber this late in the draft. He will round out our big man rotation nicely and his skills complement the existing guys perfectly. He is a big body who hustles down the floor and on the glass, takes charges, plays the passing lane around the hoop, and has a nice mid-range jump shot. Last season he averaged 17.3PPG/8.3RPG/2.4APG/1.1SPG per-36MPG. He has championship experience as a role player and we expect him play a similar role here. We believe he is the best big man available and it is essential to have a deep front court to win games. Although last season was cut short due to injury, he is fully recovered and expected to be ready for the start of the season. Welcome to Minnesota, Glen."
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Pick 8.2 is available.
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With the rest of the league in mind (and knowing we have to do two rounds again today) I will get it started early...
With the first pick of the 8th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select Glen "Big Baby" Davis
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Glen+Davis+Orlando+Magic+v+Boston+Celtics+MDRdvPVah4Zl.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to add a big man of Glen's caliber this late in the draft. He will round out our big man rotation nicely and his skills complement the existing guys perfectly. He is a big body who hustles down the floor and on the glass, takes charges, plays the passing lane around the hoop, and has a nice mid-range jump shot. Last season he averaged 17.3PPG/8.3RPG/2.4APG/1.1SPG per-36MPG. He has championship experience as a role player and we expect him play a similar role here. We believe he is the best big man available and it is essential to have a deep front court to win games. Although last season was cut short due to injury, he is fully recovered and expected to be ready for the start of the season. Welcome to Minnesota, Glen."
YAAAY I like big baby
Solid guy to have off the bench
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Ahhh I think im gonna get caught up in work stuff, so im just gonna pick. The Pacers will take Elton Brand To toughen up the front court and add another vet presence.
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With the 3rd pick in the 8th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
NATE ROBINSON
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With the 3rd pick in the 8th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
NATE ROBINSON
He was the other player I considered at 8.1. Good pick.
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With the 4th pick in the 8th round the Golden State Warriors select SG, Brandon Rush.
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With the 4th pick in the 8th round the Golden State Warriors select SG, Brandon Rush.
Nice big wing to put alongside Rudy Gay + Aldridge + Hibbert. Lotta length.
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With the 4th pick in the 8th round the Golden State Warriors select SG, Brandon Rush.
Nice big wing to put alongside Rudy Gay + Aldridge + Hibbert. Lotta length.
Obviously hurt last year. Expected to be ready for camp. But shot 45 percent from three the year before for (lockout year), well, for real life golden st.
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With the 5th pick of the 8th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
MARIO CHALMERS
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With the 6th pick Dallas selects:
Chris Kaman
I love me some europeans
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First five picks... Just mean. Had all of them high on my list. But then again talent is fading so I'm sure everyone was targeting them :(
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Anyone interested in sliding down a bit? I have 8.23
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With the 6th pick Dallas selects:
Chris Kaman
I love me some europeans
Isn't he from Michigan? Nice pickup, though - most skilled big left on the board, imo.
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With the 6th pick Dallas selects:
Chris Kaman
I love me some europeans
Isn't he from Michigan? Nice pickup, though - most skilled big left on the board, imo.
He's part German
Being part German myself I'm counting it ;D
I like having another vet alongside Parker
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The Miami Heat select Alvin Gentry as their coach
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Evantime check PMs plz
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Evantime check PMs plz
Responded. I'm not up with my back to back pick until after Riah, correct?
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TruthFot18, Gainesville Celtic and pearljammer check pm's please
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Evantime check PMs plz
DON'T DO IT , EVANTIME! (http://www.danbolton.com/sites/danbolton.com/files/admiral_ackbar_says_its_a_trap.jpg)
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pearljammer, KCatTheStripe, and Deputy Dawg, please check PM's.
I'm just kidding about 2 of those.
Its just pearljammer.
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pearljammer, KCatTheStripe, and Deputy Dawg, please check PM's.
I'm just kidding about 2 of those.
Its just pearljammer.
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Willing to move 8[8], let me know if you're interested.
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fart noises.
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fart noises.
Not our time to pick yet!
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fart noises.
Haha this made me laugh.
I have the humor of a 9 year old..
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11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind
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I have 9 and 10 after the Mo Williams deal yesterday.
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I have 9 and 10 after the Mo Williams deal yesterday.
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We sent you 10.19.
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11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind
11:40 9-184 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34
11:45 10-185 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia
11:50 11-186 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan
11:55 12-187 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca
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12:50 23-198 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture
12:55 24-199 New York Knicks pearljammer10
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I have 9 and 10 after the Mo Williams deal yesterday.
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We sent you 10.19.
Sorry, I meant the Kosta Koufos deal with Brooklyn
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riah's here!!!!
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Champ/Evan being nice...
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Since my pick is due:
Alex Len
I like any player who can fit his entire name on the back of a jersey, a la Rob Moore from the Cardinals.
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Champ/Evan being nice...
I'll give him until 11:42
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Since my pick is due:
Alex Len
I like any player who can fit his entire name on the back of a jersey, a la Rob Moore from the Cardinals.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7166795490_c6ec304fed.jpg)
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Since my pick is due:
Alex Len
I like any player who can fit his entire name on the back of a jersey, a la Rob Moore from the Cardinals.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7215/7166795490_c6ec304fed.jpg)
Must be hard of hearing, eh? I SAID I PICKED ALEX LEN, THE BIG UKRAINIAN GUY FROM MARYLAND.
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Since I can't find anyone else on the board I'll take Zaza Pachulia.
He is some nice insurance to back up Bynum.
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Must be hard of hearing, eh? I SAID I PICKED ALEX LEN, THE BIG UKRAINIAN GUY FROM MARYLAND.
Well, it's definitely an interesting pick to say the least.
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Must be hard of hearing, eh? I SAID I PICKED ALEX LEN, THE BIG UKRAINIAN GUY FROM MARYLAND.
I like it. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong.
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Trade coming through, but I will pick for my trade partner if the trade hasn't been consummated in the next 5 minutes.
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Since my pick is due:
Alex Len
I like any player who can fit his entire name on the back of a jersey, a la Rob Moore from the Cardinals.
I think that is a really nice fit behind Nene and Carlos Boozer.
Nene can slide back to PF and play alongside A.Len. I think that will be a really nice defensive and physically powerful combination.
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Must be hard of hearing, eh? I SAID I PICKED ALEX LEN, THE BIG UKRAINIAN GUY FROM MARYLAND.
I like it. Follow your heart kid, and you'll never go wrong.
Plus I can just copy your arguments about him from the DKC league verbatim. Never underestimate my penchant for laziness.
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To those picking in the next few selections. Offering 8.23 + 11.3 rounder!
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The Philadelphia 76ers select Chris Anderson and Ramon Sessions. Though, both are involved in a trade and won't be staying in Philly.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Chris Anderson, Ramon Sessions
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Since my pick is due:
Alex Len
I like any player who can fit his entire name on the back of a jersey, a la Rob Moore from the Cardinals.
I think that is a really nice fit behind Nene and Carlos Boozer.
Nene can slide back to PF and play alongside A.Len. I think that will be a really nice defensive and physically powerful combination.
Thanks. Len is 7'1", 255, and used to be a gymnast, so that's size, youth, and athleticism to add to my team of old men. He's got a lot to learn, but he should be able to acclimate well enough. He was very solid out of the pick n' roll at Maryland, and he'll bring the rebounding/shot blocking that this team needs behind Nene. I don't expect him to excel, but I think he'll be just fine as a backup C this year.
- He also allows John Henson to stick around at PF on the 2nd unit, where he's at his most efficient.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Boris Diaw, who will be promptly moved in a trade.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Chris Anderson, Ramon Sessions
Thoughts on the trade? We are extremely excited to get Jimmy Butler who we believe is not just a better player but a better fit at the two for us.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Chris Anderson, Ramon Sessions
Thoughts on the trade? We are extremely excited to get Jimmy Butler who we believe is not just a better player but a better fit at the two for us.
I think you gave up a lot. I like Butler, but I don't love him like some people do. I think in the long-term, MKG will be a better player.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Chris Anderson, Ramon Sessions
Thoughts on the trade? We are extremely excited to get Jimmy Butler who we believe is not just a better player but a better fit at the two for us.
I think you gave up a lot. I like Butler, but I don't love him like some people do. I think in the long-term, MKG will be a better player.
I'm big fans of both players, I just feel like MKG at the two is not a good long term fit. Also MKG did not look great in summer league this year.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
A "net negative" might be overstating things a bit. 9 points, 6 rebounds, 46% FG% and a rookie of the month award for a struggling rookie isn't a "net negative", especially when the player in question is 19 years old.
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just chekcing back in before my 12:35 pick... did picks 8.12 / 8.13 / 8/14 all get skipped?
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The Nuggets made an offer this man can't refuse. So we are proud to say that the Mile High City has hired Pat Riley as their coach.
No one comes in the middle, period.
BTW, props to Kane, Rush is an excellent pick, always an excellent pick.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
Meh. I reached on Butler but the trade was fair. MKG still has potential and both him and Butler are rookies. Get MKG on a good team with vet mentors and I think he can live up to the Gerald Wallace/ Iggy comparisons.
I also got the two picks while sacrificing two scrub picks. Sessions and Birdman bring more vet presence and reliable backups to Teague and Duncan. Mayo and Blatche were not brought in to be those back up roles.
I almost made it through without a trade. I think I did well
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just chekcing back in before my 12:35 pick... did picks 8.12 / 8.13 / 8/14 all get skipped?
8.12 picked Diaw
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With the 15th pick of the 8th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Cody Zeller.
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Boston selects Corey Brewer
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And despite the understanding that they would've done exactly the same in TWW's situation, resents him so being so blasé about skipping us. Its a cold world, in the CB Draft.
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With the 15th pick of the 8th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Cody Zeller.
This is what made the Alex Len pick so interesting for me earlier.
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TheTruthFot18, check your PMs.
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TRADE
Houston Rockets sends: 8.23 and 10.23
Los Angeles Lakers sends: Boris Diaw and 13.14
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With the 15th pick of the 8th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Cody Zeller.
This is what made the Alex Len pick so interesting for me earlier.
You should've seen the Syracuse game.
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With the 15th pick of the 8th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Cody Zeller.
This is what made the Alex Len pick so interesting for me earlier.
You should've seen the Syracuse game.
You mean the game where they just hammered him every time he got the ball and no fouls were called. (Yes I may have had some bracket money riding on that game and no i'm not still bitter)
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With the 14th pick of the 8th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
REGGIE EVANS
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Lakers looking to acquire another 8th round pick. We can trade up with picks and/or trade down with Dudley.
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The Cavs will take Caron Butler
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Jared Sullinger
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The Cavs will take Caron Butler
He gives the Cavs the option of moving Wallace to the bench as a 3/4, and adding Butler's shooting to the starting lineup. Nice pick.
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/603063/caron-butler.jpg)
Tough juice.
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Oh....definitely happy with Evans.
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Jared Sullinger
Was wondering when he'd get taken... Nice pick.
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Jared Sullinger
Ha. I had literally said to myself "I wonder where Sully will go" 5 seconds before I this pick.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
A "net negative" might be overstating things a bit. 9 points, 6 rebounds, 46% FG% and a rookie of the month award for a struggling rookie isn't a "net negative", especially when the player in question is 19 years old.
I'm saying the SF with the broken (29.4%) jumpshot, that allows more points than he scores, and isn't particularly good at defending isn't a guy I'd accept back as a headliner for a guy who consistently outperformed starters at 2 different positions in his first season as a rotation player.
MKG can get a lot better, but he doesn't seem like a smart bet to make a big leap forward next year. I've been wrong before though.
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The Cavs will take Caron Butler
He gives the Cavs the option of moving Wallace to the bench as a 3/4, and adding Butler's shooting to the starting lineup. Nice pick.
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/603063/caron-butler.jpg)
Tough juice.
Exactly the plan Roy.
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Pistons select Otto Porter
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MKG can get a lot better, but he doesn't seem like a smart bet to make a big leap forward next year. I've been wrong before though.
I think his defense will take another step forward from good to well above average. His offense I am thinking will take quite a bit longer.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
A "net negative" might be overstating things a bit. 9 points, 6 rebounds, 46% FG% and a rookie of the month award for a struggling rookie isn't a "net negative", especially when the player in question is 19 years old.
I'm saying the SF with the broken (29.4%) jumpshot, that allows more points than he scores, and isn't particularly good at defending isn't a guy I'd accept back as a headliner for a guy who consistently outperformed starters at 2 different positions in his first season as a rotation player.
MKG can get a lot better, but he doesn't seem like a smart bet to make a big leap forward next year. I've been wrong before though.
Under that criteria, was Jimmy Butler a good bet to make the leap his second year?
2.6 points, .182 3PT%, 31.9% overall on jumpers. He gave up nearly twice as many points as he scored as a SF, and as a SG he was outscored, as well.
If I had to bet on one player who will disappoint this year between Jimmy Butler and MKG, I would bet on Butler. MKG has a ton of physical tools and is an extremely hard worker; he's going to be a very good player.
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Thanks Roy. I know MKG is far from perfect but for what we sent out for him I saw value. I've liked the kid since college, something about his play style just fun to watch.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
A "net negative" might be overstating things a bit. 9 points, 6 rebounds, 46% FG% and a rookie of the month award for a struggling rookie isn't a "net negative", especially when the player in question is 19 years old.
I have no idea how to manage my expectations for Kidd-Gilchrist, I was underwhelmed by his play and his shooting stroke gives me pause. Then again he still managed to shoot nearly 47% and the list of 19 year olds who averaged 9+ points, 5+ rebounds and 1+ assist per game is short and impressive:
James, Garnett, Anthony, McGrady, Bosh, Smith, Deng, Cliff Robinson, and the lone bust Darius Miles.
Of course, Kidd-Gilchrist's #s place him on the very bottom rung of that list. Still it gave me pause.
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TRADE
Phoenix sends: Jimmy Butler, 12.17, 13.9
Philadelphia sends: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 8.9, 8.10
That seems incredibly unrepentantly lopsided to me. Jimmy Butler was a difference maker last season for the Bulls, MKG was a net negative. Sessions is okay, Birdman is okay, but its a homerun for Philly in my mind.
A "net negative" might be overstating things a bit. 9 points, 6 rebounds, 46% FG% and a rookie of the month award for a struggling rookie isn't a "net negative", especially when the player in question is 19 years old.
I'm saying the SF with the broken (29.4%) jumpshot, that allows more points than he scores, and isn't particularly good at defending isn't a guy I'd accept back as a headliner for a guy who consistently outperformed starters at 2 different positions in his first season as a rotation player.
MKG can get a lot better, but he doesn't seem like a smart bet to make a big leap forward next year. I've been wrong before though.
Under that criteria, was Jimmy Butler a good bet to make the leap his second year?
2.6 points, .182 3PT%, 31.9% overall on jumpers. He gave up nearly twice as many points as he scored as a SF, and as a SG he was outscored, as well.
If I had to bet on one player who will disappoint this year between Jimmy Butler and MKG, I would bet on Butler. MKG has a ton of physical tools and is an extremely hard worker; he's going to be a very good player.
Actually, I bet on Jimmy Butler to make it last season. I did, Roy. I called it. Me. This guy.
Me.
Regarding MKG, its one thing to say, "this rookie is going to succeed next season", but its a tougher thing to look at a unequivocally big minutes, bad rookie campaign and expect what amounts to drastic leaps forward in a second year, especially for perimeter players.
It can happen. I just don't think it happens often, and MKG's jumpshot..just terrible.
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Jared Sullinger
Ha. I had literally said to myself "I wonder where Sully will go" 5 seconds before I this pick.
Overdue. Talked myself out of drafting him and already regret it. Given that rookies and journeymen power forwards have ruled the day, Sullinger could easily prove to be the top pick of the round.
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No love for Reggie "Rebounds" Evans?
Haters!
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Grizzzz at 8.20 take JJ Barea -- who's upset he doesn't get a hat since he's on the move
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Actually, I bet on Jimmy Butler to make it last season. I did, Roy. I called it. Me. This guy.
Me.
You clearly had a lot of confidence in him, drafting him (or having Yoki draft him, or however that worked) with the 20th pick of the 13th round.
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Grizzzz at 8.20 take JJ Barea -- who's upset he doesn't get a hat since he's on the move
Nice one. Very good fit too playing behind CP3 in a pick and roll heavy offense.
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Actually, I bet on Jimmy Butler to make it last season. I did, Roy. I called it. Me. This guy.
Me.
You clearly had a lot of confidence in him, drafting him (or having Yoki draft him, or however that worked) with the 20th pick of the 13th round.
The way it worked, Roy, is that I saw promise in the kid because Deng had impending wrist surgery (which never materialized), Rose was hurt, and the coaches in Chicago were going nuts about the kid, so I knew he'd get major playing time. So I picked him up because I'm a genius.
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The Heat take Darrell Arthur.
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PJ check PM's.
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Actually, I bet on Jimmy Butler to make it last season. I did, Roy. I called it. Me. This guy.
Me.
Regarding MKG, its one thing to say, "this rookie is going to succeed next season", but its a tougher thing to look at a unequivocally big minutes, bad rookie campaign and expect what amounts to drastic leaps forward in a second year, especially for perimeter players.
It can happen. I just don't think it happens often, and MKG's jumpshot..just terrible.
Well, if MKG only maintains his play over 36 minutes a game next season he'll average:
12.5 points on 45.8% shooting, with a 74.9 FT%, , 8.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.0 steal, 1.2 blocks, and just 1.8 TOs.
Everyone is raving about Jimmy Butler, but durability and defense aside, his production is hardly jaw dropping. Here are his per 36 #s
11.9 points on 46.7% shooting, with a 80.3 FT%, 5.6 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.5 blocks, and just 0.8 TOs.
Jimmy drills the three ball but he's also three years older, and had the benefit of playing under the best defensive mind in the NBA, and on a top-5 team.
Throw Andersen and Sessions into the deal and I can talk myself into the return.
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Trade negotiations: one second til i make the pick
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IP PM returned
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
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IP PM returned
The same.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
The not-shocker of the day right there.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
Shocker (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65071.msg1543215#msg1543215).
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
Shocker (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=65071.msg1543215#msg1543215).
The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
The not-shocker of the day right there.
Lol ;D
Anyway, the Lakers are quite proud of their 8th round work. Time to check out for a bit before returning for 9.6.
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At this point I am heading to lunch.
Washington, Golden State, New York and Clippers(twice) can pick at any time during the break.
Trades will be processed before we start up again.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
ah you sneaky little...
great pick!
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PJ: Don't make the pick, nobody is waiting behind you to snatch it up.
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Washington selects Devin Harris
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Well actually, I stand corrected. Rebus is.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I would start Pondexter ahead of Dudley. Superior athlete + defender.
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Well, if MKG only maintains his play over 36 minutes a game next season he'll average:
12.5 points on 45.8% shooting, with a 74.9 FT%, , 8.1 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 1.0 steal, 1.2 blocks, and just 1.8 TOs.
Everyone is raving about Jimmy Butler, but durability and defense aside, his production is hardly jaw dropping. Here are his per 36 #s
11.9 points on 46.7% shooting, with a 80.3 FT%, 5.6 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.5 blocks, and just 0.8 TOs.
Jimmy drills the three ball but he's also three years older, and had the benefit of playing under the best defensive mind in the NBA, and on a top-5 team.
Throw Andersen and Sessions into the deal and I can talk myself into the return.
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This. It was hard to part with Butler but I saw equal enough future potential considering MKG developing on a bad team while Butler did it on a playoff team missing their superstar. And yes once I could get my targeted back up pg and C in the deal, it was a no brainer. Thanks for the feedback.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I would start Pondexter ahead of Dudley. Superior athlete + defender.
I would too. Dudley is about to get traded ;)
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
Well, he's a role player, it's not like I've got his poster up or anything. But I've followed him through my fantasy league and had him in the Pick-2 Draft, and watched him have a very strong playoff run. So it's only like 80% the name :)
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
This is one thing we agree on.
I think Pondexter is decidedly mediocre. A lot of his value is dependent upon him continuing to hit threes at a very good clip.
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Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
Maybe it's Miss Tennessee.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
This is one thing we agree on.
I think Pondexter is decidedly mediocre. A lot of his value is dependent upon him continuing to hit threes at a very good clip.
I'm a sucker for Danny Green types, especially since my Green binkitude has been so strongly validated.
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Guise, offering both of our 11ths for a 10th.
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ROUND UPDATE
ROUND 8 Tuesday August 27
11:00 1-176 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Glen Davis
11:05 2-177 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Elton Brand
11:10 3-178 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Nate Robinson
11:15 4-179 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Golden State: Brandon Rush
11:20 5-180 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Mario Chalmers
11:25 6-181 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Chris Kaman
11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Zaza Pachulia
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Alex Len
11:40 9-184 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Chris Anderson
11:45 10-185 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia: Ramon Sessions
11:50 11-186 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: PICK ANY TIME
11:55 12-187 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Boris Diaw
12:00 13-188 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Corey Brewer
12:05 14-189 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Reggie Evans
12:10 15-190 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Cody Zeller
12:15 16-191 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Clippers: PICK ANY TIME
12:20 17-192 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jared Sullinger
12:25 18-193 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Otto Porter
12:30 19-194 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Caron Butler
12:35 20-195 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Jose Juan Barea
12:40 21-196 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: PICK ANY TIME
12:45 22-197 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Darrell Arthur
12:50 23-198 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureLakers: Quincy Pondexter
12:55 24-199 New York Knicks pearljammer10:PICK ANY TIME
1:00 25-200 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Devin Harris
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TRADE
Memphis Grizzlies send: Barea, Delfino, 9.6
Los Angeles Lakers send: Dudley, 10.12, 11.14
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Ready to make my pick at 1:46 cuz I'm mean.
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nick check PM's.
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TRADE
Memphis Grizzlies send: Barea, Delfino, 9.6
Los Angeles Lakers send: Dudley, 10.12, 11.14
Very good trade for LAL.
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Nice Zach Lowe piece on Portland.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9603329/the-portland-trail-blazers-refurbished-roster
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Nice Zach Lowe piece on Portland.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9603329/the-portland-trail-blazers-refurbished-roster
TP, thanks. Portland is one of the most exciting up-and-coming teams I'm eyeing right now. Their core is wicked and with his improved depth, I can seriously see them competing for one of the first playoff spots outside of the "top 5" in the West.
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TRADE
Memphis Grizzlies send: Barea, Delfino, 9.6
Los Angeles Lakers send: Dudley, 10.12, 11.14
Steal for LA
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Houston Rockets take Jason Terry
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Quincy Pondexter.
I'm an unabashed Pondexter fan. Would've taken him over MWP but I wanted someone to be physical with bigger forwards and be our designated crazy guy.
Really? Is this a thing now? Is it like..the name?
Rated his defense very highly since he came into the league.
The concern was that he couldn't bring enough to the table offensively to play on the perimeter and would find playing time hard to come despite his defensive talent because he'd be a considered a tweener (PF/SF) garbage man ... and then last season, everything changed for him, Pondexter came back to Memphis with a much improved enough three point shot which freed him up to defend his natural position (SF) allowing him to take full advantage of his defensive talent.
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Houston Rockets take Jason Terry
As your coach or player?
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With the first pick in the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
JERRYD BAYLESS
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Houston Rockets take Jason Terry
As your coach or player?
Oh crap, I'm up for coach picks huh? Gimme a sec.
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Houston Rockets take Jason Terry
Hopefully the coach you choose actually decides to use him properly. (Yes this was a jab at Doc Rivers)
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Houston Rockets take Jason Terry
Hopefully the coach you choose actually decides to use him properly. (Yes this was a jab at Doc Rivers)
A jab? At Doc Rivers? On Celticsblog? I might faint.
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I guess I'll take Brian Shaw.
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For 8.21 GS will take Reggie Jackson
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For 8.21 GS will take Reggie Jackson
Steal
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The Heat select John Salmons.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki's protégé, Kelly Olynyk.
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
NOOOOooooooooooo.....
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
but but but.... look at all those bigs! What do you need Jason Thompson for?? WHY OH WHY
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
Not my favorite player in the world, but for a 9th rounder and your 5th big man, he's a nice choice.
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TRADE
Memphis Grizzlies send: Barea, Delfino, 9.6
Los Angeles Lakers send: Dudley, 10.12, 11.14
Steal for LA
Sigh as predictable as us getting the 20/21 pick, Wiggles team being underated, teams overhyping their teams -- each year around this time 8/9 rd I make a dumb move during the 5 min pick, wonder if all hope is lost then marginally recover with some decent late picks. Some year I'll learn to trust my picks/ranks. :-\
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
Not my favorite player in the world, but for a 9th rounder and your 5th big man, he's a nice choice.
(http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/crying-indian1.jpg)
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
Very surprised he lasted this long. Thought he was going to drop some more.
Nothing better than a starter level talent being stolen in the 9th round.
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
but but but.... look at all those bigs! What do you need Jason Thompson for?? WHY OH WHY
Amar'e insurance. Very durable, can score a bit, solid jumpshooter.
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Mike Miller "The killa"
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
Not my favorite player in the world, but for a 9th rounder and your 5th big man, he's a nice choice.
(http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/crying-indian1.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgokn7LaFg1qzhvufo1_400.gif)
TP for the nourishment.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Dirk Nowitzki's protégé, Kelly Olynyk.
Ha, love it.
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
Not my favorite player in the world, but for a 9th rounder and your 5th big man, he's a nice choice.
(http://struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/crying-indian1.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgokn7LaFg1qzhvufo1_400.gif)
TP for the nourishment.
That is just like you, fwf. You say things like that, and you make it impossible for me to hate you, and I hate you, fwf. I really hate you. I hate you
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
but but but.... look at all those bigs! What do you need Jason Thompson for?? WHY OH WHY
Amar'e insurance. Very durable, can score a bit, solid jumpshooter.
Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
but but but.... look at all those bigs! What do you need Jason Thompson for?? WHY OH WHY
Amar'e insurance. Very durable, can score a bit, solid jumpshooter.
Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
Hahaha. Nice try, Yoki. YOUR depth is overrated. Everyone is telling you that they don't think you'll get one full player-season out of the Bogut-Varejao combo, but you just won't hear it.
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Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
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That is just like you, fwf. You say things like that, and you make it impossible for me to hate you, and I hate you, fwf. I really hate you. I hate you
I like you! :D
...if it helps, Thompson's not likely to be a difference maker for anybody, and there are still a lot of decent bigs left on the table. Nobody as dreamy as JT though...
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With the 11th pick in the 9th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Luke Ridnour.
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For what it's worth, I'll throw 9.14 out there if anyone's interested.
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With the 12th pick of the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
ALONZO GEE
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Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
There is different types of depth.
What you want are clear starters and bench role players that have shown the ability to step up and play a bigger role in case of emergency. The team still has the center piece to build around.
vs.
Have a team deep with starters (not able to get all the minutes they should because of the depth) but no center piece that it is built around.
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For 8.21 GS will take Reggie Jackson
Steal
Co-sign. I somehow overlooked this pick, and got very excited at the prospect of picking up Jackson. In hind-sight I should've drafted him in the morning session.
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We are taking Isiah Thomas
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We are taking Isiah Thomas
Dang... very nice pick.
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ROUNDS UPDATE
ROUND 8 Tuesday August 27
11:00 1-176 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Glen Davis
11:05 2-177 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Elton Brand
11:10 3-178 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Nate Robinson
11:15 4-179 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Golden State: Brandon Rush
11:20 5-180 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Mario Chalmers
11:25 6-181 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Chris Kaman
11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Zaza Pachulia
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Alex Len
11:40 9-184 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Chris Anderson
11:45 10-185 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia: Ramon Sessions
11:50 11-186 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: PICK ANY TIME
11:55 12-187 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Boris Diaw
12:00 13-188 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Corey Brewer
12:05 14-189 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Reggie Evans
12:10 15-190 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Cody Zeller
12:15 16-191 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Clippers: PICK ANY TIME
12:20 17-192 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jared Sullinger
12:25 18-193 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Otto Porter
12:30 19-194 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Caron Butler
12:35 20-195 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Jose Juan Barea
12:40 21-196 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Reggie Jackson
12:45 22-197 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Darrell Arthur
12:50 23-198 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureLakers: Quincy Pondexter
12:55 24-199 New York Knicks pearljammer10:PICK ANY TIME
1:00 25-200 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Devin Harris
ROUND 9 Tuesday August 27
1:45 1-201 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Milwaukee: Jerryd Bayless
1:50 2-202 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Houston: Jason Terry
1:55 3-203 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureDallas: PICK ANY TIME
2:00 4-204 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: John Salmons
2:05 5-205 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: PICK ANY TIME
2:10 6-206 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticLakers: Kelly Olynyk
2:15 7-207 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticDenverOrlando: Jason Thompson
2:20 8-208 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: PICK ANY TIME
2:25 9-209 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Mike Miller
2:30 10-210 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanDenver: PICK ANY TIME
2:35 11-211 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Luke Ridnour
2:40 12-212 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Alonzo Gee
2:45 13-213 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP
2:50 14-214 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca
2:55 15-215 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan
3:00 16-216 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha
3:05 17-217 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34
3:10 18-218 Atlanta Hawks ChampkindClippers
3:15 19-219 Portland Trailblazers riah32
3:20 20-220 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey
3:25 21-221 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show
3:30 22-222 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameDallas
3:35 23-223 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943
3:40 24-224 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287
3:45 25-225 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit
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Looking for more depth?
I'll offer anyone except Duncan/West in a 3 for 3 deal for a solid starting Pg, Sg, or Sf and your two last picks.
PM with offers
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The Orlando Kobes select Jason Thompson
but but but.... look at all those bigs! What do you need Jason Thompson for?? WHY OH WHY
Amar'e insurance. Very durable, can score a bit, solid jumpshooter.
Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
Hahaha. Nice try, Yoki. YOUR depth is overrated. Everyone is telling you that they don't think you'll get one full player-season out of the Bogut-Varejao combo, but you just won't hear it.
You mean a already healthy Bogut and a Varejao who got off a blood clot, not a broken bone or a sprained ligament, a blood clot, will somehow miss a ton of games, together? C'mon now.
Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
It doesnt matter if there's top tier talent or B+ talents. Depth is important, and both Orlando and Denver has quality reserves. Out teams' reserves can compete against your teams starters and make it a competitive game. In a real game with these rosters, your second unit will be destroyed by our second unit with the talent that our team has. It keeps our starting 5 fresh and out of foul trouble and less injury risk, all while still being able to win. But in this league it's becoming like it's a very bad thing to have. Overrate the depth all you guys want, but you all know in the real NBA, depth, deep depth is important. Just ask the the real life Warriors.
BTW. for pick number 9.10 Denver selects Marreese Speights. To shore up the frontline with a guy who can rebound and hits 16-20 feet jumpers at a high rate, and have an insurance policy for Bogut and Varejao, not that they need any.
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It doesnt matter if there's top tier talent or B+ talents. Depth is important, and both Orlando and Denver has quality reserves. Out teams' reserves can compete against your teams starters and make it a competitive game. In a real game with these rosters, your second unit will be destroyed by our second unit with the talent that our team has. It keeps our starting 5 fresh and out of foul trouble and less injury risk, all while still being able to win. But in this league it's becoming like it's a very bad thing to have. Overrate the depth all you guys want, but you all know in the real NBA, depth, deep depth is important. Just ask the the real life Warriors.
BTW. for pick number 9.10 Denver selects Marreese Speights. To shore up the frontline with a guy who can rebound and hits 16-20 feet jumpers at a high rate, and have an insurance policy for Bogut and Varejao, not that they need any.
Well we've rounded back into the discussion we had earlier where we agreed to disagree. Depth is definitely important, but for me, there is no way that takes priority over having quality talent. You can have all the depth in the world, but if you don't have a guy like Kobe (like Orlando in this draft), or a guy like Curry (which the Warriors have in real life), depth is going to get you nowhere.
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We are taking Isiah Thomas
He's retired ;)
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It doesnt matter if there's top tier talent or B+ talents. Depth is important, and both Orlando and Denver has quality reserves. Out teams' reserves can compete against your teams starters and make it a competitive game. In a real game with these rosters, your second unit will be destroyed by our second unit with the talent that our team has. It keeps our starting 5 fresh and out of foul trouble and less injury risk, all while still being able to win. But in this league it's becoming like it's a very bad thing to have. Overrate the depth all you guys want, but you all know in the real NBA, depth, deep depth is important. Just ask the the real life Warriors.
BTW. for pick number 9.10 Denver selects Marreese Speights. To shore up the frontline with a guy who can rebound and hits 16-20 feet jumpers at a high rate, and have an insurance policy for Bogut and Varejao, not that they need any.
Well we've rounded back into the discussion we had earlier where we agreed to disagree. Depth is definitely important, but for me, there is no way that takes priority over having quality talent. You can have all the depth in the world, but if you don't have a guy like Kobe (like Orlando in this draft), or a guy like Curry (which the Warriors have in real life), depth is going to get you nowhere.
Exactly, a team with guys like Deron and Durant would be tough to beat...
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Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
There is different types of depth.
What you want are clear starters and bench role players that have shown the ability to step up and play a bigger role in case of emergency. The team still has the center piece to build around.
vs.
Have a team deep with starters (not able to get all the minutes they should because of the depth) but no center piece that it is built around.
Having their minutes cut doesn't change the impact they bring to the game. Does their skills, instincts and basketball IQ diminish when they play lesser minutes? I don't think so.
There's no bad thing when it comes to deep bench. People would argue that you have to play the starers to bring heavy minutes, especially in the playoffs to maximize their production. That's true, and having great depth doesnt mean you have to sacrifice their minutes for the sake of making sure the guy behind him gets his minutes as well. You dont go "oh your playing magnificent but he needs his 30 minutes a game so you sit down". No, whoever is playing better gets the time, period.
The deep bench part comes in when injuries, foul trouble, sturggles on the court happen. Who wouldn't want a very skilled backup whatever to take away minutes from a starter who is suffering from one of those three factors?
And for the record, since they opened it up, this team has a top tier talent. His name is Damian Lillard. Gee, I don't know, didn't he took over a Portland team on his Rookie year? Isn't Portland ready to contemplate on trading LMA because they have a franchise player in their hands now?
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In discussion for a possible 9.14 trade. I'll make my pick shortly.
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It doesnt matter if there's top tier talent or B+ talents. Depth is important, and both Orlando and Denver has quality reserves. Out teams' reserves can compete against your teams starters and make it a competitive game. In a real game with these rosters, your second unit will be destroyed by our second unit with the talent that our team has. It keeps our starting 5 fresh and out of foul trouble and less injury risk, all while still being able to win. But in this league it's becoming like it's a very bad thing to have. Overrate the depth all you guys want, but you all know in the real NBA, depth, deep depth is important. Just ask the the real life Warriors.
BTW. for pick number 9.10 Denver selects Marreese Speights. To shore up the frontline with a guy who can rebound and hits 16-20 feet jumpers at a high rate, and have an insurance policy for Bogut and Varejao, not that they need any.
Well we've rounded back into the discussion we had earlier where we agreed to disagree. Depth is definitely important, but for me, there is no way that takes priority over having quality talent. You can have all the depth in the world, but if you don't have a guy like Kobe (like Orlando in this draft), or a guy like Curry (which the Warriors have in real life), depth is going to get you nowhere.
Damian Lillard took over the Blazers in his rookie year didn't he? That's a guy. Hit big shots, scored in variety of ways, was a solid playmaker, in his ROOKIE year.
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Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
There is different types of depth.
What you want are clear starters and bench role players that have shown the ability to step up and play a bigger role in case of emergency. The team still has the center piece to build around.
vs.
Have a team deep with starters (not able to get all the minutes they should because of the depth) but no center piece that it is built around.
Having their minutes cut doesn't change the impact they bring to the game. Does their skills, instincts and basketball IQ diminish when they play lesser minutes? I don't think so.
There's no bad thing when it comes to deep bench. People would argue that you have to play the starers to bring heavy minutes, especially in the playoffs to maximize their production. That's true, and having great depth doesnt mean you have to sacrifice their minutes for the sake of making sure the guy behind him gets his minutes as well. You dont go "oh your playing magnificent but he needs his 30 minutes a game so you sit down". No, whoever is playing better gets the time, period.
The deep bench part comes in when injuries, foul trouble, sturggles on the court happen. Who wouldn't want a very skilled backup whatever to take away minutes from a starter who is suffering from one of those three factors?
And for the record, since they opened it up, this team has a top tier talent. His name is Damian Lillard. Gee, I don't know, didn't he took over a Portland team on his Rookie year? Isn't Portland ready to contemplate on trading LMA because they have a franchise player in their hands now?
It it a waste of resources.
It is also a waiting game. When can the backup bolt to a team that can use him as a starter.
That's why teams like to try to use their depth to trade for a single star.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Jeremy Lamb.
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I'm up, but I'll give WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan a couple minutes in case they were waiting for rondoallurca
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I'm up, but I'll give WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan a couple minutes in case they were waiting for rondoallurca
They missed both their 8th rounders, I don't think they'll be showing up anytime soon, sofu.
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Thanks Al. In that case, even though I desperately need a big, I can't let Pablo Prigioni get past me here. I need shooting and a need a backup point. The guy shot .400 from three last year and rated as one of geekstat's favorite players of 2013.
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Very true, I said this before already. This is the only league where depth is overrated. With the way the voters bring up injury history, you have to shore up your reserves. But then they go "oh too many bigs" or "there's only so much your depth can bring you". There's no way out of it, it's so funny.
The difference with your team, Yoki, is that you lack the top-tier talent that Orlando has (Kobe), and you have a lot more injury risks.
There is different types of depth.
What you want are clear starters and bench role players that have shown the ability to step up and play a bigger role in case of emergency. The team still has the center piece to build around.
vs.
Have a team deep with starters (not able to get all the minutes they should because of the depth) but no center piece that it is built around.
Having their minutes cut doesn't change the impact they bring to the game. Does their skills, instincts and basketball IQ diminish when they play lesser minutes? I don't think so.
There's no bad thing when it comes to deep bench. People would argue that you have to play the starers to bring heavy minutes, especially in the playoffs to maximize their production. That's true, and having great depth doesnt mean you have to sacrifice their minutes for the sake of making sure the guy behind him gets his minutes as well. You dont go "oh your playing magnificent but he needs his 30 minutes a game so you sit down". No, whoever is playing better gets the time, period.
The deep bench part comes in when injuries, foul trouble, sturggles on the court happen. Who wouldn't want a very skilled backup whatever to take away minutes from a starter who is suffering from one of those three factors?
And for the record, since they opened it up, this team has a top tier talent. His name is Damian Lillard. Gee, I don't know, didn't he took over a Portland team on his Rookie year? Isn't Portland ready to contemplate on trading LMA because they have a franchise player in their hands now?
It it a waste of resources.
It is also a waiting game. When can the backup bolt to a team that can use him as a starter.
That's why teams like to try to use their depth to trade for a single star.
I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
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I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
I certainly disagree depth is overrated in CB Draft when depth is one of the biggest reasons people are hyping Cleveland and Orlando right now. Again, in terms of quality talent, you gave up James freaking Harden so that Damian Lillard, a 2nd year player who had a ridiculous workload in his rookie season, is "the man" on your team... with who as the #2? The wildly inconsistent Greg Monroe who hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since entering the league?
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Yoki, Roy once won a CB Draft with no superstars and awesome depth. It happens.
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I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
I certainly disagree depth is overrated in CB Draft when depth is one of the biggest reasons people are hyping Cleveland and Orlando right now. Again, in terms of quality talent, you gave up James freaking Harden so that Damian Lillard, a 2nd year player who had a ridiculous workload in his rookie season, is "the man" on your team... with who as the #2? The wildly inconsistent Greg Monroe who hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since entering the league?
But, Yoki, I agree with this. Depth is great to have but you still need a certain level of quality of talent in your starters and I think that's where you are losing people.
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ROUNDS UPDATE
Very disappointing showing today
ROUND 8 Tuesday August 27
11:00 1-176 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Glen Davis
11:05 2-177 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Elton Brand
11:10 3-178 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Nate Robinson
11:15 4-179 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Golden State: Brandon Rush
11:20 5-180 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show: Mario Chalmers
11:25 6-181 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey: Chris Kaman
11:30 7-182 Portland Trailblazers riah32: Zaza Pachulia
11:35 8-183 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: Alex Len
11:40 9-184 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: Chris Anderson
11:45 10-185 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygahaPhiladelphia: Ramon Sessions
11:50 11-186 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: PICK ANY TIME
11:55 12-187 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Boris Diaw
12:00 13-188 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Corey Brewer
12:05 14-189 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Reggie Evans
12:10 15-190 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Cody Zeller
12:15 16-191 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Clippers: PICK ANY TIME
12:20 17-192 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Jared Sullinger
12:25 18-193 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Otto Porter
12:30 19-194 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Caron Butler
12:35 20-195 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Jose Juan Barea
12:40 21-196 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: Reggie Jackson
12:45 22-197 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Darrell Arthur
12:50 23-198 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureLakers: Quincy Pondexter
12:55 24-199 New York Knicks pearljammer10:PICK ANY TIME
1:00 25-200 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Devin Harris
ROUND 9 Tuesday August 27
1:45 1-201 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Milwaukee: Jerryd Bayless
1:50 2-202 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Houston: Jason Terry
1:55 3-203 Houston Rockets BigAltheFutureDallas: PICK ANY TIME
2:00 4-204 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: John Salmons
2:05 5-205 Golden State Warriors Kane3387: PICK ANY TIME
2:10 6-206 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville CelticLakers: Kelly Olynyk
2:15 7-207 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticDenverOrlando: Jason Thompson
2:20 8-208 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: PICK ANY TIME
2:25 9-209 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18: Mike Miller
2:30 10-210 Orlando Magic foulweatherfanDenver: Marresse Speights
2:35 11-211 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Luke Ridnour
2:40 12-212 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Alonzo Gee
2:45 13-213 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Isaiah Thomas
2:50 14-214 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Jeremy Lamb
2:55 15-215 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: PICK ANY TIME
3:00 16-216 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Pablo Prigioni
3:05 17-217 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34: PICK ANY TIME
3:10 18-218 Atlanta Hawks ChampkindClippers: PICK ANY TIME
3:15 19-219 Portland Trailblazers riah32
3:20 20-220 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey
3:25 21-221 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo Show
3:30 22-222 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheNameDallas
3:35 23-223 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943
3:40 24-224 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287
3:45 25-225 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit
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I believe this guy is available but I apologize if he isn't. The 76ers select Earl Clark
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Yoki, Roy once won a CB Draft with no superstars and awesome depth. It happens.
True, although surrounding an aging Shaq with Rashard Lewis, Manu Ginobili, and Michael Redd would have made for a fun offense, in the imaginary world where they all stayed healthy.
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With 9.5 GS selects Ben gordon
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With 9.5 GS selects Ben gordon
I guess playing for the Charlotte Bobcats will do that to you. Nice pickup.
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I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
I certainly disagree depth is overrated in CB Draft when depth is one of the biggest reasons people are hyping Cleveland and Orlando right now. Again, in terms of quality talent, you gave up James freaking Harden so that Damian Lillard, a 2nd year player who had a ridiculous workload in his rookie season, is "the man" on your team... with who as the #2? The wildly inconsistent Greg Monroe who hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since entering the league?
James Harden turned into Lillard, Monroe, Bogut, Lowry and Varejao. Deny it all you want, but that's great value for a Superstar who may not have the same group of supporting cast here if I didn't move him.
Also, didn't Kobe had a ridiculous workload? Look what happened. And when he went down, who was their backup and how is he producing? It aint happening here in Denver. BTW, Lillard USG% is less than Kobe, LeBron, Melo, Kyrie, Harden and his Portland teammate Aldridge. So, there's the ridiculous workload.
And if I agree with you with the workload Lillard has, why do you think he's doing all that. I don't know, maybe because they dont have a bench?
BTW, Greg raises his scoring output every year. Only had 11 single digit scoring games out of 81, averaging 9 rebounds a game, and that's on a down year. Yep, inconsistent.
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Well i guess since the guy is still around I'll add him to the squad...Portland Selects Anthony Bennett.
Won't be asked to do a lot, I feel this is the ideal situation for him.
Bomb Squad:
Pg:Jennings, Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson
SF:Deng Bennett or Thompson
PF:Melo, Tristian Thompson
C:Bynum, Zaza
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With 9.5 GS selects Ben gordon
Wow. Completely overlooked him. Great pick.
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I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
I certainly disagree depth is overrated in CB Draft when depth is one of the biggest reasons people are hyping Cleveland and Orlando right now. Again, in terms of quality talent, you gave up James freaking Harden so that Damian Lillard, a 2nd year player who had a ridiculous workload in his rookie season, is "the man" on your team... with who as the #2? The wildly inconsistent Greg Monroe who hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since entering the league?
Cleveland's getting hyped because of the excellent fit that its players have. We only have 8 players - no deeper than most of the teams here - but those 8 players cover every aspect of the game.
Yoki has a bunch of individually talented pieces, but the fit isn't there, IMO.
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Random Question for Nick: Since I am picking first for tomorrow's round - can I make both of my picks this afternoon at the same time so all of the people who missed picks don't come back and steal the player I want? Or do I have to hold one off until the morning?
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With the 21st pick in the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
JORDAN HILL
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With 9.5 GS selects Ben gordon
Definite value pick here, but I sense a trade coming with 4 SGs on the roster now. Rush can slide over to SF, but that still leaves Allen, Gordon, and Williams to fight over SG minutes.
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Random Question for Nick: Since I am picking first for tomorrow's round - can I make both of my picks this afternoon at the same time so all of the people who missed picks don't come back and steal the player I want? Or do I have to hold one off until the morning?
You have to hold off.
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Random Question for Nick: Since I am picking first for tomorrow's round - can I make both of my picks this afternoon at the same time so all of the people who missed picks don't come back and steal the player I want? Or do I have to hold one off until the morning?
You have to hold off.
Fair - but nonetheless a bummer.
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People do not sleep on this Portland team. If Bynum comes back healthy, they may be the best collection of talent in the league
Is this the latest a #1 draft pick has ever gone in the CB Draft? I wasn't here for the early years but getting the #1 pick in the draft late in the 9th seems like pretty darn good value to me given he would be playing behind Carmelo Anthony.
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With the 24th pick in the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Indiana Pacers select:
RODNEY STUCKEY
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
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I don't see why it's a waste, I think it's a great resource to have in case injuries and game struggle happens. There's no drop off in production once the backup is been called to log in more minutes. Talents don't diminish, regardless of minutes.
And as for waiting, we are trying to win now, we'll do that trade after, we need those backups' talents to coast through the regular season, keep everybody fresh and compete in the playoffs.
CB Draft, where depth is overrated.
I certainly disagree depth is overrated in CB Draft when depth is one of the biggest reasons people are hyping Cleveland and Orlando right now. Again, in terms of quality talent, you gave up James freaking Harden so that Damian Lillard, a 2nd year player who had a ridiculous workload in his rookie season, is "the man" on your team... with who as the #2? The wildly inconsistent Greg Monroe who hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since entering the league?
Cleveland's getting hyped because of the excellent fit that its players have. We only have 8 players - no deeper than most of the teams here - but those 8 players cover every aspect of the game.
Yoki has a bunch of individually talented pieces, but the fit isn't there, IMO.
You mean the fact that this team has a Center who loves to play high PnR, and excellent guard who can pass and score in variety of ways and a low post threat, with three (one off the bench) very good 3PT shooters opening up the floor, is not "a fit"?
Real life Indiana has a team who's clogging the lanes more than this team does and they we're one win away to be in the Finals. Why can't this team, with a deep bench can't do the same. With Pat Riley as the coach too?
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Okay day is over.
Please check the front page to ensure I have everything right with your team.
Please, teams that missed your picks, make them before the night is over or very latest, first thing tomorrow morning.
As of now the commissioner's office is still running the Thunder but I may have news regarding that later this evening.
Going to the pool. I'm done.
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
(http://www.ohio.com/polopoly_fs/1.324489.1344015473!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_270/miles-cj.jpg)
President/GM McHP Quote: "We are happy to add quality depth to our wing with our 9th round selection - CJ Miles. CJ is a versatile lefty scorer that also brings effort on the defensive end. His PER versus opposing shooting guards was 17.8 while opposing shooting guards had a PER of 5.6 against him. He is also a capable three point shooter as he made 126 of them in 65 games at a respectable 38.5% clip. He will likely spend the majority of his time at the shooting guard position due to his previous success and our need, but he is also capable of playing small forward. Welcome to Minnesota, CJ."
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Also - a note to those who missed their picks today. Nick instructed that I wait until tomorrow morning before making a selection with 10.1.
I will make the selection tomorrow at 9:30 AM EST.
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With the 21st pick in the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Oklahoma City Thunder select:
JORDAN HILL
I'm a fan of that pick
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
I think he shot 41.5% not 45.1%.
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
I think he shot 41.5% not 45.1%.
45.1% is the correct number. 41.5% is his overall FG%.
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
I think he shot 41.5% not 45.1%.
45.1% is the correct number. 41.5% is his overall FG%.
You mind if I ask where is this 45% coming from? Because I can't see it. He's a career 41% shooter. 55%TS last year, and 52%EFG. I don't see this 45% anywhere.
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
I think he shot 41.5% not 45.1%.
45.1% is the correct number. 41.5% is his overall FG%.
You mind if I ask where is this 45% coming from? Because I can't see it. He's a career 41% shooter. 55%TS last year, and 52%EFG. I don't see this 45% anywhere.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/milescj01/shooting/2013/
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With the 25th pick in the 9th Rd, the Minnesota Timberwolves select CJ Miles
Underrated player. Good addition.
19.2PPG/4.6RPG/1.7APG/1.3SPG per-36MPG
45.1% from 2
38.5% from 3
87% from FT
I think he shot 41.5% not 45.1%.
45.1% is the correct number. 41.5% is his overall FG%.
You mind if I ask where is this 45% coming from? Because I can't see it. He's a career 41% shooter. 55%TS last year, and 52%EFG. I don't see this 45% anywhere.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/milescj01/shooting/2013/
Saw it. Thanks Faf. As you can see, I'm still learning the metrics game. ;D
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well what the crap.
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The Dallas mavericks select:
Jonas Jerebko
Tyler Hansborough
Will Bynum
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Chicago will take Phil Jackson.
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EDIT
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I'm taking Mr. Discount Double Check Steve Novak with 9.23
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With the 12th pick of the 9th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
ALONZO GEE
Not complaining, as I don't dislike Gee, but I'm confused why this was the pick selected for me.
There were multiple players higher on my list still available.
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I'm taking Mr. Discount Double Check Steve Novak with 9.23
Taken in the 7th round.
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I'm taking Mr. Discount Double Check Steve Novak with 9.23
hasnt he been taken by OKC?
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Why would someone take Novak from me?
With 9.23 I'll take Chris Copeland.
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ANNOUNCEMENT
Due to personal circumstances The Rondo Show has been replaced as GM in Oklahoma City by Lucky17. I would like to thank The Rondo Show for managing the Thunder as he did, he was a great GM. Everyone knows Lucky so hide your binkies, I think he might be in a trading type of mood.
Thanks again Lucky for picking this up late in the game. That's pretty awesome of you.
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(http://www.vatsaas.org/rtv/arsenal/teamrocs/bert/crazy_harry.jpg)
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Well since for some odd reason my earlier trade didn't go through (which caused me to miss 25 player picks as well.)
With 8.24 (now apparently 10.1) the New York Knicks take:
Francisco Garcia.
Also take George Karl as their new head coach.
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Welcome to the club, Lucky17.
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Ready to blow it up.
Although I doubt any of you jackals will give me fair value for Dwight, I'll field offers for him or any other players currently on the Thunder roster.
I'm also interested in acquiring picks at the front end of this round, or picks from teams who have been skipped today.
Come at me.
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Knock knock
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Whose there
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Queen
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Haha ill let someone else respond cause I already know that I "won't get it"
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Ready to blow it up.
Although I doubt any of you jackals will give me fair value for Dwight, I'll field offers for him or any other players currently on the Thunder roster.
I'm also interested in acquiring picks at the front end of this round, or picks from teams who have been skipped today.
Come at me.
Woot woot! Glad to have Lucky join the draft.
He'll shake things up for sure in OKC.
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Queen my dishes please.
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Queen my dishes please.
TP for the chuckle
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
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Ready to blow it up.
Although I doubt any of you jackals will give me fair value for Dwight, I'll field offers for him or any other players currently on the Thunder roster.
I'm also interested in acquiring picks at the front end of this round, or picks from teams who have been skipped today.
Come at me.
Amir Johnson and the 9.24 for Dwight. ;D
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Lucky! Welcome back!
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Ready to blow it up.
Although I doubt any of you jackals will give me fair value for Dwight, I'll field offers for him or any other players currently on the Thunder roster.
I'm also interested in acquiring picks at the front end of this round, or picks from teams who have been skipped today.
Come at me.
parker and kanter for dwight and rubio ;) haha
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Since people seem to think my defense is questionable I will pick Lawrence Frank as Indiana's head coach
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Why would someone take Novak from me?
With 9.23 I'll take Chris Copeland.
I love that pick. I think Indiana feeds him 20+ minutes a night next year.
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Lucky! Welcome back!
Thanks. I hear you're the guy I should hand my lunch money to right now, and get it over with?
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Why would someone take Novak from me?
With 9.23 I'll take Chris Copeland.
I love that pick. I think Indiana feeds him 20+ minutes a night next year.
Actually I'm quite interested in seeing where's he going to get his minutes from. Between West and Scola, there's no minutes to be had at PF. George will see time at both SG and SF, with Stephenson and Granger rounding out the rest of the wing minutes. Barring injury (which is entirely possible especially with Granger around), I don't see how Copeland is going to be scratching anywhere near 20 minutes. For me, the Copeland acquisition felt like a signing geared more towards the future, particularly after next season when Granger comes off the books.
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Gotta say that GMs did a great job picking the talent tree bare today. 37 of my top 50 players left on the board were taken and there's still 5 picks left to go.
If you have 10 or more players right now, you are doing well. Yes, there is still some good talent left, but the vast majority is end of the bench rotation quality players. There's only a few very good rotation worthy players left, IMHO.
HAPPY HUNTING!!
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Mr Lucky, welcome aboard!
We should talk 8)
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Mr Lucky, welcome aboard!
We should talk 8)
PM me. Everyone else is.
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Lucky! Welcome back!
Thanks. I hear you're the guy I should hand my lunch money to right now, and get it over with?
Haha. I suggest you hand over Dwight if you know what's good for ya!
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Kevin durant is available, shoot me a pm (deron too)
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
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Check Pm's Lucky
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I got a funny feeling some GMs are starting to think they need to blow things up or make changes. Trade-a-palooza, here we come. ;)
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
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I got a funny feeling some GMs are starting to think they need to blow things up or make changes. Trade-a-palooza, here we come. ;)
I like it...Let the excitement begin!
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
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West/Duncan vs Nowitzki/Gasol
What a matchup!
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Neither is Sanders Lopez
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Neither is Sanders Lopez
I like you PJ...so no offense
...But they should be
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Washington will tab Mike Budenholzer as its coach.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Neither is Sanders Lopez
Nor Kanter Faried ;D
who am i kidding
kanter was 5 when TD was drafted
they might be terrified
but the manimal will eat you up ;)
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
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Look you guys can all stop fighting and just
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;) ;D
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Guys, don't forget the KG intensity factor.
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Scary.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
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I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
So how would you rank the three pairs?
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
I think the best combo of these three are Garnett and Horford. Best defensively and in rebounding and are the most versatile and most complimentary of the three.
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Give me Duncan and West over the other 2 combos.
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I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
So how would you rank the three pairs?
For the reasons nick stated, I probably put Horford and KG first. They can just do the most things.
I think I then go with Duncan / West, followed by Gasol / Dirk.
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I'ma roll with the Cavs on this one.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are pleased to announce the hiring of Nate McMillan as the head coach of the team. Terms of the deal will not be disclosed.
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President/GM McHP: "Here in the Front Office, we are thrilled to hire Nate McMillan as the head coach of the Timberwolves. He was one of our top candidates throughout the entire evaluation and interview process. Nate had a reputation of being a tough, disciplined, well-rounded, defensive minded player during his playing days. We know that he will bring the same attitude to practices and games and his personality will rub off on the team. We are also pleased that he has coached on two Olympic Gold Medal winning teams. Not to mention - he has been a leader and stabilizing presence for both the Seattle and Portland franchises in his career. He is exceptional at maximizing the efficiency of his players and thanks to his Olympic experience he knows how to manage the personalities within a team as well. In summation, we are proud to announce that Nate McMillan will be our head coach - congratulations Nate."
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I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
So how would you rank the three pairs?
For the reasons nick stated, I probably put Horford and KG first. They can just do the most things.
I think I then go with Duncan / West, followed by Gasol / Dirk.
The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
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Taking Derek Rose offers. About to move him so send the offers!
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
Just to be completely honest, I think the best duo int he league is Lebron-Ibaka because Lebron is that darn good to make that duo the best.
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
Just to be completely honest, I think the best duo int he league is Lebron-Ibaka because Lebron is that darn good to make that duo the best.
I don't disagree with you Nick.
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
Just to be completely honest, I think the best duo int he league is Lebron-Ibaka because Lebron is that darn good to make that duo the best.
I don't disagree with you Nick.
I have started to lay out my minutes for my team and I don't think I have as many LeBron-Power Forward minutes as people are going to like. Makes me wonder if I should trade a big man.
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
Just to be completely honest, I think the best duo int he league is Lebron-Ibaka because Lebron is that darn good to make that duo the best.
I don't disagree with you Nick.
I have started to lay out my minutes for my team and I don't think I have as many LeBron-Power Forward minutes as people are going to like. Makes me wonder if I should trade a big man.
You could use some highly efficient outside shooters as well to space the floor for an inside out game with Lebron backing down his man and having the option to send it out to the outside three point shooters.
Having Lebron outside trying to work the ball from there makes it easier to defend him and clog the middle, especially with players like Jordan, Davis and Gibson playing the 4 and 5.
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The fact that no one has agreed on the order should tell us all how close it is between them.
I count 3 votes for Cleveland, one for Phoenix, and one for LAL.
Just to be completely honest, I think the best duo int he league is Lebron-Ibaka because Lebron is that darn good to make that duo the best.
I don't disagree with you Nick.
I have started to lay out my minutes for my team and I don't think I have as many LeBron-Power Forward minutes as people are going to like. Makes me wonder if I should trade a big man.
He should have nearly every PF minute in the 4th. DeAndre shouldn't see the court.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
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Well I appreciate the comments...I had an intriguing offer previously which I am currently exploring - again.
Any thoughts on my coach hire?
He was literally one of my first candidates and I think the only reason he made it to me was because he is now an assistant.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
No worries man. I was just trying to be a little funny, while yes, also pointing out how I think a little too much attention gets paid to the bigs.
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McHP I just want to say I love your enthusiasm and how you always make a quote about the player you pick. You deserve a TP.
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McHP I just want to say I love your enthusiasm and how you always make a quote about the player you pick. You deserve a TP.
I agree. You've been a great GM McHP.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
No worries man. I was just trying to be a little funny, while yes, also pointing out how I think a little too much attention gets paid to the bigs.
(Makes mental note of comment to use in DKC)
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Regarding big men though, I think that the playoffs and regular season have a lot of do with the emphasis on bigs. Hibbert/West almost knocked off the reigning champs. Splitter's integration into San An's lineup revitalized them offensively and defensively, Gasol/Z-Bo consistently turn out to be better than people expect when it comes time to turn separate the wheat from the chaff. Plus, the places with the most up and coming talent seem to be the 1 and the 5. Drummond, Monroe, Kanter, Favors, Valanciunas, Sanders, Asik, McGee, Hibbert, Cousins, Vucevic, Anthony Davis...there are a lot of talented big men who were relative non-factors a year of two ago, while the 2 and 3 seem to be dwindling in terms of new talent coming about, with a few notable exceptions.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
Okay, the defensively worse combo has the reigning DPOY? I'll buy that with a bag of chips please ???
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Alright i apologize for both gomesfan and I but we are working on a trade right now. We've been both been extremely busy over the past couple days. Thanks.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
No worries man. I was just trying to be a little funny, while yes, also pointing out how I think a little too much attention gets paid to the bigs.
(Makes mental note of comment to use in DKC)
Hey now, I never said they weren't important. But some of these teams with 4 or 5 big men who all deserve 25-35 minutes are just unrealistic. Further more, you need more than just good bigs, nobody builds a "real" team that way. Maybe this is just a side-effect of there only being 25 teams in this league
And I'm not sure what argument you would have to use against me in the DKC. I would never build a team who's only notable strengths are big men. I prefer well-rounded teams. One elite big, one solid big, one elite wing, one solid wing, and a solid PG.
But, for the record, the CB Cavs are maybe the one team that does seem to actually be well rounded, while still mostly reliant on it's bigs.
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
No worries man. I was just trying to be a little funny, while yes, also pointing out how I think a little too much attention gets paid to the bigs.
(Makes mental note of comment to use in DKC)
Hey now, I never said they weren't important. But some of these teams with 4 or 5 big men who all deserve 25-35 minutes are just unrealistic. Further more, you need more than just good bigs, nobody builds a "real" team that way. Maybe this is just a side-effect of there only being 25 teams in this league
And I'm not sure what argument you would have to use against me in the DKC. I would never build a team who's only notable strengths are big men. I prefer well-rounded teams. One elite big, one solid big, one elite wing, one solid wing, and a solid PG.
But, for the record, the CB Cavs are maybe the one team that does seem to actually be well rounded, while still mostly reliant on it's bigs.
Ah, I was just poking fun. Havin a laugh, as it were.
http://youtu.be/1SK3y1a8TYs
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All this talk of who has the best big men combos makes me think people don't realize there are 3 other positions on the court just as important.
Is this a team building exercise, or just a competition to see who is the "biggest"? I bet you all drive expensive, fast sports cars too! :o
No, no, no.
I have already told you why I like your team. Perimeter play is important, too. It just wasn't the topic of discussion. If we discussed perimeter defense and shooting, you would be among the leaders.
No worries man. I was just trying to be a little funny, while yes, also pointing out how I think a little too much attention gets paid to the bigs.
(Makes mental note of comment to use in DKC)
Hey now, I never said they weren't important. But some of these teams with 4 or 5 big men who all deserve 25-35 minutes are just unrealistic. Further more, you need more than just good bigs, nobody builds a "real" team that way. Maybe this is just a side-effect of there only being 25 teams in this league
And I'm not sure what argument you would have to use against me in the DKC. I would never build a team who's only notable strengths are big men. I prefer well-rounded teams. One elite big, one solid big, one elite wing, one solid wing, and a solid PG.
But, for the record, the CB Cavs are maybe the one team that does seem to actually be well rounded, while still mostly reliant on it's bigs.
Neither Sa or Memphis have an elite wing.
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Miami is in the chat, trading for your players without you even knowing.
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Starting wings: Tony Allen (defense), Caron Butler (offense)
Bench wings: Jamal Crawford (offense), Gerald Wallace (defense)
Well waddayaknow? That works pretty well don't it?
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That hissing sound you hear is the fuse being lit in OKC.
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And we are tied together lucky.
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
I'm sorry I can't comment more until Nick confirms it.
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News to come from the Clippers camp!
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
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John Wall and Klay Thompson. Now that's a great back court. Who has them again?
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
Lucky I included a flak-jacket in the deal for you...
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
As long as it's not Howard for DeAndre and Ibaka (it better not be!!!), I probably won't be to up in arms.
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
As long as it's not Howard for DeAndre and Ibaka (it better not be!!!), I probably won't be to up in arms.
[dang]. I knew I should have held out for DeAndre to be included.
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
As long as it's not Howard for DeAndre and Ibaka (it better not be!!!), I probably won't be to up in arms.
[dang]. I knew I should have held out for DeAndre to be included.
Veto....we need a veto!
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Glad to work out the trade with you Lucky!
Ruh roh!
Yeah, I'll probably take a good deal of flak, but I wanted to put my own stamp on the roster.
Hope nick hasn't checked out for the night!
As long as it's not Howard for DeAndre and Ibaka (it better not be!!!), I probably won't be to up in arms.
Darn - I should've set my sights higher!
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Guys I'm too tired to process trades tonight. Send them in, one per team and I will process them in the AM.
Remember confirms from both parties with the trades in proper format, please?
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Guys I'm too tired to process trades tonight. Send them in, one per team and I will process them in the AM.
Remember confirms from both parties with the trades in proper format, please?
It has been done by both sides...no rush.
Thanks for your work.
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Did you guys know that if you take a old trash can, clean it thoroughly, and fill it with salt water, stick it in your beer fridge, and once it's been in there a couple hours you can use it to chill a warm bottle of premo micro-brew to 40 degrees in less than 10 minutes?
The more you know. Who else is enjoying a nice microbrew tonight? Lagunitas Lil Sumpin Sumpin on mine.
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The more you know. Who else is enjoying a nice microbrew tonight? Lagunitas Lil Sumpin Sumpin on mine.
Anchor Steam Liberty Ale and a fantasy football draft. Solid Tuesday.
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The more you know. Who else is enjoying a nice microbrew tonight? Lagunitas Lil Sumpin Sumpin on mine.
Anchor Steam Liberty Ale and a fantasy football draft. Solid Tuesday.
Anchor Steam has the most American sounding beers. It sounds like something a character would drink thoughtfully in the Fountainhead while pensively brooding upon American exceptionalism.
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Sorry for the delay, been trying to fix the darn Internet all day and night. The Pistons take Greg Oden with the missed pick
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Sorry for the delay, been trying to fix the darn Internet all day and night. The Pistons take Greg Oden with the missed pick
Nice pick if he can stay injury free
Could play a big part in Miami
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Neither is Sanders Lopez
I like you PJ...so no offense
...But they should be
Haha. I will take the compliment, chuckle and run with it, and also give you a TP at the same time.
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BREAKING: Rumors swirling in Los Angeles about a blockbuster trade more details soon.
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BREAKING: Rumors swirling in Los Angeles about a blockbuster trade more details soon.
well now im excited!
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BREAKING: Rumors swirling in Los Angeles about a blockbuster trade more details soon.
well now im excited!
You should be!
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BREAKING: Rumors swirling in Los Angeles about a blockbuster trade more details soon.
well now im excited!
You should be!
I'm expecting something big man
Don't let me down ;)
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I'd think its a big deal.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
Okay, the defensively worse combo has the reigning DPOY? I'll buy that with a bag of chips please ???
Did you know that 2 centers made the All NBA Defensive 1st team and Gasol was not one of them?
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
That trade should help both teams..... Especially after the next trade OKC make!
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Thanks Nick
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
This seems to be good for both parties
Good fair trade
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Is 10.1 really that valuable? Kind of regret taking Copeland as I could have traded 9.23.
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Well, super busy day back to school kept me out today. Thank god I grabbed a co-gm (and a good one at that ;) )
Very excited about the additions we added today though. Lakers are gonna be a tough team to match up with
Too bad the division crown is already taken ;)
Yeah, you're right, Tim Duncan and Oj Mayo terrify me :P
I would be scared of the West/Duncan combo
KG and Horford ain't.
Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
Okay, the defensively worse combo has the reigning DPOY? I'll buy that with a bag of chips please ???
How many DPOYs has Dirk won?
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more.
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more
Uh oh
That bold segment scares me
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If the proposed trades coming through my inbox are any indication, it looks like a lot of GMs are getting bored and/or are hyper-focusing on the advice of their critics (who, coincidentally enough, generally tend to be their competition.)
My advice: don't make panic trades. It happens every year, where a contender blows his team up because of some criticism, or where a GM gets bored, and wants to make a trade for "fun". Stick to your guns. If one of the other vulture GMs is persistently hounding you about a trade, don't give in. Shop around for the best deal, or stand pat.
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more
Uh oh
That bold segment scares me
In a good way or a bad way?
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more
Uh oh
That bold segment scares me
In a good way or a bad way?
Good way for you
Bad way for other teams imo
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more
Uh oh
That bold segment scares me
In a good way or a bad way?
Good way for you
Bad way for other teams imo
Agreed -- team is a bit short of offense and playing LeBron at PF is the solution to that.
It will do wonders for Monta Ellis too. All that extra space will give him much more room for his slashing game. Make him more efficient and deadly.
Everybody will get better quality shots with those two penetrating into the paint. Space out the floor, more open lanes for dribble drives, forces defenses to collapse on ball-handler, leaves shooters open and leaves finishes around the basket more open (D.Jordan, S.Ibaka).
Without that extra spacing, defenses can collapse into the paint and force Monta + Bradley into long jump shots and LeBron + Monta into more contested drives. Lower quality shot attempts. Less efficiency. Less scoring.
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
Taj Gibson is much more valuable than Korver and Chalmers. Nice move for OKC.
Maybe...
...but I got an additional ball-handler (something I needed) who can defend and knock down the three as well as add an elite three point shooting wing player to round out my guard rotation. This move also allows me to play LeBron at the 4 more
Uh oh
That bold segment scares me
In a good way or a bad way?
Good way for you
Bad way for other teams imo
Well with my last trade, I really accomplished a few things that my team really needed.
One was adding a backup point guard who can knock down threes at an efficient clip (I was going to use 10.1 on an available one, but I preferred Chalmers). I only had LeBron, Monta, and Avery (shaky ball-handler) as guys who were capable of handling the ball. Chalmers is a good addition.
Two was additional outside shooting. There was a time where my team's floor spacing was horrendous and didn't have enough efficient outside shooting. Now with Chalmers, Korver, Battier, Miles, and James on the roster - Bradley, Ellis, Ibaka, and Davis aren't going to have the pressure of being primary floor spacers. Ibaka and Davis can stick to their mid-range games, Ellis can stick to slashing, and Bradley can focus on full-court defense on the opposing point guard and knock down the occasional corner three.
The third - and previously mentioned - was LeBron at the four. He has the speed to blow by slower fours for baskets/draw fouls. He also has the ability to be a playmaker from the post to find shooters around him. He has obviously morphed the real life Miami Heat into a positionless roster because of his ability to do everything well. I wanted to surround him with defenders and shooters and I think I have done a good job at that. It will be about matchups - I think - and depending on the quality of my opponents wing players will determine whether he plays at the 3 or 4.
This is what I was thinking for a rotation...
5 - Jordan (24), Ibaka (18), Davis (6)
4 - Ibaka (16), James (20), Davis (12)
3 - James (18), Battier (20), Korver (10)
2 - Bradley (24), Korver (10), Ellis ( 8 ), Miles (6)
1 - Ellis (28), Chalmers (18), Bradley (2)
James - 38
Ellis - 36
Ibaka - 36
Bradley - 26
Jordan - 24
Battier - 20
Korver - 20
Chalmers - 18
Davis - 18
Miles - 6
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Give me Duncan and West over the other 2 combos.
Give this guy a Tommmmy Point!
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Sorry for the delay, been trying to fix the darn Internet all day and night. The Pistons take Greg Oden with the missed pick
I was wondering how long Oden would last. The upside of the Oden/Drummond/Unibrow rotation is kind of staggering.
That's upside, though. Maybe at the end of this season we'll be laughing about how Oden moves like Joel Przybilla and Drummond has the instincts of Javale McGee.
I think it's a really good bet to be making, though
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STATEMENT
I have a trade pending confirmation that would effect all four of yesterday's missed draft picks so the 10th round will not start until I have it settled this transaction
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STATEMENT.....AGAIN
Twice the other day I was given a lot more work than is necessary because GMs are sending in improper trades or are not writing their team names in or are trying to do trades last minute with only 5 minutes between picks or whatever.
I MUST RECEIVE TRADE CONFIRMATIONS FROM BOTH GMS IN THE FOLLOWING FORMAT IN ORDER FOR A TRADE TO BE CONFIRMED AND PROCESSED:
Team A sends: Player A, pick 123
Team B sends: Player B, pick 456
I want the trade typed by each GM and I do not want just CC's confirming trades or quotes of conversations confirming trades. Trades in any other format will not be accepted from this point forward.
One trade fell through already because of this. There are no exceptions. Do not let this happen to you.
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Sorry I'm at work not able to do a ton I am sorry.
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
I really thought this was going to be Dwight lol
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TRADE
Minnesota sends: 10.1, Taj Gibson
Oklahoma City sends: Kyle Korver, Mario Chalmers
I really thought this was going to be Dwight lol
I think there's another move to come.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
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Round 10 can open as soon as Lucky posts his picks from yesterday
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
LUCKY!!!!! Making moves. I love this for OKC
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
... and just like that, the Thunder became contenders and the Clippers became also-rans.
Trading an MVP-caliber player for a couple of guys who have never sniffed an all-star team and a bunch of spare parts seems like a really, really bad idea.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
Wow, that's lopsided.
Lucky, wasn't there some talk from you yesterday about taking people's lunch money? :P
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OK, picks on the way.
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With the 8.11, OKC selects Ben McLemore.
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With the 8.16, OKC selects Chase Budinger.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
Wow. The best player by far and essentially the next 4 picks. Madness.
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With the 9.15, OKC selects Ian Mahinmi.
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I feel like its the last scene from The Godfather, and we're all Moe Greene.
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With the 9.15, OKC selects Ian Mahinmi.
Grr.
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With the 9.18, OKC selects Udonis Haslem.
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With the 8.16, OKC selects Chase Budinger.
With the 9.15, OKC selects Ian Mahinmi.
Great picks
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There's still a lot of work to be done, but OKC basically just knocked it out of the park.
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I feel like its the last scene from The Godfather, and we're all Moe Greene.
Can I at least finish getting my massage?
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Okc just robbed LAC.
Incredible.
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OK, those should be the leftover picks from yesterday.
I have the 10.1 and the 10.5, which are due in about 30 minutes.
I need coffee, so feel free to make me some offers for these picks. I would like to combine Patterson and DeRozan and possibly picks for better shooter at SF.
And TP to nick for his patience.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
Wow, that's lopsided.
Lucky, wasn't there some talk from you yesterday about taking people's lunch money? :P
Wow Lucky. You lucky...
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
It was so nice not picking after Lucky for once.....
<srreatach>
^^ that's the sound of the needle scratching across the record
Luckkkkkyyyyyy!!!!!! :'(
(well at least he's still stuck with Mike Brown as his coach!)
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(well at least he's still stuck with Mike Brown as his coach!)
Yeah, I took some small solace in that too. But holy cow, what a coup.
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I wake up to see Lucky knocking it out of the park. I need coffee.
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There's still a lot of work to be done, but OKC basically just knocked it out of the park.
Si.
Well done Lucky, well done.
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I warned people in my announcement of Lucky to hide your binkies that he was coming for them.
I warned you all.
OKC just went from afterthought to lead contender in two trades and wiped out the talent for role playing bench people all in one fell swoop.
Oh and he still has 2 of the next 5 picks.
That's taking the CB Draft to the woodshed like a red headed stepchild.
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I wake up to see Lucky knocking it out of the park. I need coffee.
If you're going out Rebus... get me one.
We'll plot how we're gonna make someone... UNLUCKY! 8)
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
Wow. The best player by far and essentially the next 4 picks. Madness.
Holy highway robbery batman. Lucky stole more than just lunch money there.
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Does CFF have another pick from yesterday to make?
I have the 10.1 ready.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
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I warned people in my announcement of Lucky to hide your binkies that he was coming for them.
I warned you all.
OKC just went from afterthought to lead contender in two trades and wiped out the talent for role playing bench people all in one fell swoop.
Oh and he still has 2 of the next 5 picks.
That's taking the CB Draft to the woodshed like a red headed stepchild.
I would disagree on two accounts...
1) Lead contender? IDK about that...
2) Wiped out the role playing talent on competition? I took two of his role players and only gave up one. And I gave Gibson's minutes at PF to LeBron.
Talk about flavor of the week...
Good trade though Lucky - nice to see you putting your own stamp on things.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
Feels like a bit of an uphill battle at this point.
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Guys, Lucky is still surrounding Dwight with three non shooters. Hide yo shooters fellow gms.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
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OK, I'll bang the gavel on the tenth round.
With the 10.1, OKC selects Marco Belinelli.
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Does CFF have another pick from yesterday to make?
I have the 10.1 ready.
Go ahead he chose Oden last night
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To do list:
1. Cross Lucky's name off Christmas card list since he's stolen half of your remaining draft board.
2. Drink more coffee
3. Complain to GC about that darn Lucky. ;D
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Guys, Lucky is still surrounding Dwight with three non shooters. Hide yo shooters fellow gms.
He just very quietly added Chase Budinger.
I'm extremely upset about this.
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Horford isn't on the level of Gasol/Duncan, but Garnett is better than West and roughly equivalent to Nowitzki
I'd rank...
Gasol/Diggler
Horford/Garnett
Duncan/West
The Garnett & Duncan combos are so close...really flip a coin
I don't know if I'd rank Gasol / Dirk first. They're the worst rebounding of the three listed combos, and the worst (combined) defensively. Are their offensive contributions enough to trump? I'm not sure.
For me, none of these trios particularly stand out. Each one of them are formidable in their own way, and your preference is entirely going to lean towards what you're looking from in your bigs, as well as what sort of players they're surrounded by. What is certain is the fact that all three of them are definitely among the most talented frontcourts in the league.
That being said, I think it's very shortsighted to say Dirk/Marc are the worst combo because of their rebounding and defense. Big men aren't the only ones who rebound on a team, and rebounding isn't a commanding factor to begin with. The most obvious example would be Boston in recent years (Bass & KG), but Miami and San Antonio are two of the most successful teams in recent years that don't crack the top half of the league in rebounding.
Furthermore, Marc's DPOY might be a fluke, but so was his absence from the all-NBA first defensive team. The perception of Dirk being a "bad" defensive player is simply not true anymore because he has committed to that end of the floor a lot more at this stage in his career, and the numbers back it up; furthermore, Dirk has demonstrated that his diminishing defensive deficiencies can further be masked playing alongside an elite defensive center. Again, I'm not going to say any of these three combos are superior because each are dominant in their own way, but to say Dirk/Marc is the worst defensive combination of the three is absolutely false.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
That's why mom keeps returning my letters unopened =(
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
Yeah i think when the dust settles the West is gonna be a bloodbath --- Lebron, Dwight, CP3, Harden... but all teams have a weakness... so it'll be interesting to see the playoff matchups.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
Yeah i think when the dust settles the West is gonna be a bloodbath --- Lebron, Dwight, CP3, Harden... yikes.
Derrick Rose
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
Yeah i think when the dust settles the West is gonna be a bloodbath --- Lebron, Dwight, CP3, Harden... but all teams have a weakness... so it'll be interesting to see the playoff matchups.
Yeah, I'm awful glad to be in the East right now.
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I love how a move changes everyone's mind. We had Derozan at the 3 and got killed for it he is the 3 for OKC and everyone looks past it. Interesting.
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nick, please see my latest PM. Thanks!
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I love how a move changes everyone's mind. We had Derozan at the 3 and got killed for it he is the 3 for OKC and everyone looks past it. Interesting.
That's because he has Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard. It's easy to look past that when you have those two to build around.
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I love how a move changes everyone's mind. We had Derozan at the 3 and got killed for it he is the 3 for OKC and everyone looks past it. Interesting.
OKC got an MVP-caliber player in exchange for an above-average SF and spare parts. Of course everyone's going to look past something like that.
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Glad to be in the East where I feel a playoff spot is a possibility.
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The Indiana Pacers Select Marvin Williams
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While yes he has a great team don't get me wrong but still I just laugh at things like this. We felt we needed to make a move to get some depth.
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PG: Deron/Stuckey
SG: Ray Allen/Stuckey
SF: Durant/Marvin
PF: Scola/Marvin
C: Lopez/Brand
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10.17 and 11.9 available
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
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Glad to be in the East where I feel a playoff spot is a possibility.
6 of the top 7 picks are all in the West :(
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With 10.3 GS takes draymond green
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Guys like Derozan look better when they are complimentary pieces to two ALL-NBA, perenial MVP candidates.
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Glad to be in the East where I feel a playoff spot is a possibility.
6 of the top 7 picks are all in the West :(
Really? So the Durantula is the only premier talent in the east? I like the sound of that.
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I warned people in my announcement of Lucky to hide your binkies that he was coming for them.
I warned you all.
OKC just went from afterthought to lead contender in two trades and wiped out the talent for role playing bench people all in one fell swoop.
Oh and he still has 2 of the next 5 picks.
That's taking the CB Draft to the woodshed like a red headed stepchild.
Not really, he just took one other GM to the woodshed. Everyone else is collateral damage.
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DeRozan + Patterson + 10.5 on the block for a starting caliber SF.
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Alright folks we get it you like the deal for the thunder anything else you wanna say about mine or gomesfan GM skills we have other things in mind.
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
I agree here. Deadly trade for OKC and they get significantly better. But there are no shooters in the starting 5 to create space. Also, to play the flip side of things, Howard could pull what he did last year and have an off year again, while Rose could come back from injury a completely different player. (I dont expect this to happen at all...Just saying its a possibility.)
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DeRozan + Patterson + 10.5 on the block for a starting caliber SF.
(http://tech.gaeatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/its-a-trap-cat.gif)
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While yes he has a great team don't get me wrong but still I just laugh at things like this. We felt we needed to make a move to get some depth.
With the NBA you secure you top talent first, then you build depth.
Trading away an all-nba level player for depth will almost always make your team worse. (unless you have two guys of similar talent who can't really play together great 2 PGs for example)
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I warned people in my announcement of Lucky to hide your binkies that he was coming for them.
I warned you all.
OKC just went from afterthought to lead contender in two trades and wiped out the talent for role playing bench people all in one fell swoop.
Oh and he still has 2 of the next 5 picks.
That's taking the CB Draft to the woodshed like a red headed stepchild.
Not really, he just took one other GM to the woodshed. Everyone else is collateral damage.
Definitely more accurate statement
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Still pretty shocked about the value LA gave up for Rubio and Jeff Green...
Now Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard together with a host of solid role players?
I'm taking my ball and going home.
I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't rank OKC at the top of the league just yet. They've still got Iman Shumpert and DeMar DeRozan as their starting wings, and Taj Gibson is nobody to write home about.
I agree here. Deadly trade for OKC and they get significantly better. But there are no shooters in the starting 5 to create space. Also, to play the flip side of things, Howard could pull what he did last year and have an off year again, while Rose could come back from injury a completely different player. (I dont expect this to happen at all...Just saying its a possibility.)
OKC better hope that Rose doesn't run into any setbacks because Marco Belinelli is their backup PG right now...
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I feel like I have already done an entire round's worth of posting on the front page and we are only three picks in
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OKC better hope that Rose doesn't run into any setbacks because Marco Belinelli is their backup PG right now...
Of course, if you remove the 1st or 2nd best player from any team they are in trouble.
No way around that in the NBA, you can't replace LeBron, Durant, Rose, Westbrook, etc...
Its like losing your QB in the NFL, just changes the entire game.
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While yes he has a great team don't get me wrong but still I just laugh at things like this. We felt we needed to make a move to get some depth.
With the NBA you secure you top talent first, then you build depth.
Trading away an all-nba level player for depth will almost always make your team worse. (unless you have two guys of similar talent who can't really play together great 2 PGs for example)
I endorse this statement
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With 10.6, the Houston Rockets take Kenyon Martin
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center*, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP** and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player***.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
*who has not recovered his pre-back-surgery form
**in the most egregious MVP selection since Nash over Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/Nowitzki
***because the MVP has to be on the all-nba team
fixed that for you
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There are certainly downsides to the Rose-Howard pairing...
-Play Style concerns (slasher/paint clogger)
-Personality concerns (Rose's me-against-the-world/Howard's please-like-me-everybody)
-Injuries (ACL/back)
We can save discussing those for the playoffs though
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10[8], Hawks select:
Randy Foye
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10[8], Hawks select:
Randy Foye
I like it.
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10[8], Hawks select:
Randy Foye
For once in his career, Foye won't be blocking playing time from a younger, more promising player.
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10[8], Hawks select:
Randy Foye
I like it.
Thanks! Hit 41% of his 3s last season, so that's useful.
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
Is there that a big a difference tho between Blake and Dwight at this point? Howard wasn't the same athlete or defender last year. He also didnt want to go to Chicago back in the day. He could've been moved for Noah and other pieces, and teamed up with rose, but he never had Chicago on his list.
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Kane check pm
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Looking to trade up into the 10th. All remaining picks are available. Shoot me a PM.
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center*, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP** and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player***.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
*who has not recovered his pre-back-surgery form
**in the most egregious MVP selection since Nash over Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/Nowitzki
***because the MVP has to be on the all-nba team
fixed that for you
1. Howard had a heck of a second half of last year and appeared completely recover in March, April and May.
2. Doesn't change the fact he won it and carried his team like an MVP should
3. Dave Cowens and Bill Russell have won MVPs and not been on 1st team All-NBA teams. It is not a requisite to be MVP and All-NBA 1st team in the same year.
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THe Philadelphia 76ers select Kirk Hinrich
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THe Philadelphia 76ers select Kirk Hinrich
wasnt' he already taken?
7.2 by NYK
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Try again Evantime
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THe Philadelphia 76ers select Kirk Hinrich
Already drafted
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center*, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP** and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player***.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
*who has not recovered his pre-back-surgery form
**in the most egregious MVP selection since Nash over Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/Nowitzki
***because the MVP has to be on the all-nba team
fixed that for you
1. Howard had a heck of a second half of last year and appeared completely recover in March, April and May.
2. Doesn't change the fact he won it and carried his team like an MVP should
3. Dave Cowens and Bill Russell have won MVPs and not been on 1st team All-NBA teams. It is not a requisite to be MVP and All-NBA 1st team in the same year.
You're quibbling with me. I'm just pointing out Howard's got question marks and we'd all do well in evaluating to look past the name, and that Rose is crazy overrated and deserved his MVP like Jeter deserved the gold glove.
I guess to be completely fair, I should point out that the MVP Rose stole was, in fact, Dwight Howard's.
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To a 27 year old, 4 time DPOY, 4 time 1st team All-NBA center*, OKC just added a 24 year old former MVP** and 1 time 1st team All-NBA player***.
That's pretty significant even id DeMar DeRozan is on the team. Chase Budinger will probably start anyway.
*who has not recovered his pre-back-surgery form
**in the most egregious MVP selection since Nash over Garnett/Duncan/Shaq/Nowitzki
***because the MVP has to be on the all-nba team
fixed that for you
1. Howard had a heck of a second half of last year and appeared completely recover in March, April and May.
2. Doesn't change the fact he won it and carried his team like an MVP should
3. Dave Cowens and Bill Russell have won MVPs and not been on 1st team All-NBA teams. It is not a requisite to be MVP and All-NBA 1st team in the same year.
You're quibbling with me. I'm just pointing out Howard's got question marks and we'd all do well in evaluating to look past the name, and that Rose is crazy overrated and deserved his MVP like Jeter deserved the gold glove.
I guess to be completely fair, I should point out that the MVP Rose stole was, in fact, Dwight Howard's.
I'm not quibbling with you I'm disagreeing with you
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
"I'm not crazy about it, but I think the best I can do here is Kris Humphries," said Sofutomygaha and Kim Kardashian.
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I don't think anyone disagrees that Rose's MVP was a consolation prize to all the players in the league not named Lebron James.
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THe Philadelphia 76ers select Kirk Hinrich
ALREADY TAKEN!!!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Corey Joseph?
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I don't think anyone disagrees that Rose's MVP was a consolation prize to all the players in the league not named Lebron James.
I guess there's more disagreement going around about that MVP award than I thought.
Nick, I want to arm wrestle.
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Since Memphis is lacking a little crazy... we'll select at 10.12:
Ivan Johnson, PF
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With the 10.5, OKC selects Eric Maynor.
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With the 10.5, OKC selects Eric Maynor.
Lucky, go back to the DKC. Just... shoo.
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In the chat, gossiping.
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I don't think anyone disagrees that Rose's MVP was a consolation prize to all the players in the league not named Lebron James.
I guess there's more disagreement going around about that MVP award than I thought.
Nick, I want to arm wrestle.
Personally I thought rose deserved it. That Miami team was a disappointment. They made it to the finals but guys like van Gundy thought they'd win 70 games. Bosh wade James were all healthy and they finished third overall. Going into the season Chicago wasn't on the radar. It was all Boston, la, and Miami.
Rose and thibs did a great job that year getting the bulls to the best record in the NBA.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
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With the 14th pick of the 10th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
GREG SMITH
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With the 14th pick of the 10th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
GREG SMITH
That's a nice pick at this stage.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
Nice high upside guy this late.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
Why so upset? Sorry but both gomesfan and I have been extremely busy over these past few days so sorry if we didn't everything to your standard
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
The funny thing is though if I were Lucky I wouldnt even want Novak or Jordan Hill on my team. I essentially see them as players with zero value. getting picks and a star is a coup
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
Teams get blown up TWW. It happens. I did it last year with mine. The GMs in LA were very adament to get this done. I don't see foul play at hand, just two GMs that did a poor job negotiating.
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With the 15th pick in the 10th round the San Antonio Spurs select:
Luigi Datome.
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
This is not necessary and people have a right to comment on the trade. Do not take this line of comments any further.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
Beverly! My old friend...
Great pick.
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
Because for GMs who put a lot of time into the game, its frustrating to see the entire game shift because someone else makes a poor strategic decision.
Its a dynamic that happens in a lot of other games, if you play a crunchy strategy game that's a 3+ hour commitment only to see someone check out an hour in and then make poor moves while texting on their smartphone resulting in your competitor getting a huge leg up its massively frustrating.
It's also a part of the games typically. Frankly finding lopsided trades is the entire point of the CB draft, which is why I wouldn't enjoy playing.
I like discussing basketball, I don't like sending 30 PMs a day cold calling people and then being a snake-oil salesmen when I know they're going to get killed if I successfully talk them into the deal.
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I think people are upset because they lost contender status overnight through no fault of their own. I would be upset if I was in the West too. Not due to your GM'ing, but due to the situation.
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L.A. clippers select Chauncy Billups
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
Because for GMs who put a lot of time into the game, its frustrating to see the entire game shift because someone else makes a poor strategic decision.
Its a dynamic that happens in a lot of other games, if you play a crunchy strategy game that's a 3+ hour commitment only to see someone check out an hour in and then make poor moves while texting on their smartphone resulting in your competitor getting a huge leg up its massively frustrating.
It's also a part of the games typically. Frankly finding lopsided trades is the entire point of the CB draft, which is why I wouldn't enjoy playing.
I like discussing basketball, I don't like sending 30 PMs a day cold calling people and then being a snake-oil salesmen when I know they're going to get killed if I successfully talk them into the deal.
I apologize for trying to do this from my job.
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Keyon Dooling
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
Because for GMs who put a lot of time into the game, its frustrating to see the entire game shift because someone else makes a poor strategic decision.
Its a dynamic that happens in a lot of other games, if you play a crunchy strategy game that's a 3+ hour commitment only to see someone check out an hour in and then make poor moves while texting on their smartphone resulting in your competitor getting a huge leg up its massively frustrating.
It's also a part of the games typically. Frankly finding lopsided trades is the entire point of the CB draft, which is why I wouldn't enjoy playing.
I like discussing basketball, I don't like sending 30 PMs a day cold calling people and then being a snake-oil salesmen when I know they're going to get killed if I successfully talk them into the deal.
I apologize for trying to do this from my job.
You do not need to apologize.
Obviously Rose could be had and everyone could just as easily contacted you about him and made offers. For all I know many did. Or maybe they didn't.
Lucky put together a package to get it done. Any other GM could have given a package to do it as well.
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Keyon Dooling
Still early for him I think.
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Why is everyone whining. Get over it we made a deal lucky got better its a game that you all seem to take a little to serious.
Because for GMs who put a lot of time into the game, its frustrating to see the entire game shift because someone else makes a poor strategic decision.
Its a dynamic that happens in a lot of other games, if you play a crunchy strategy game that's a 3+ hour commitment only to see someone check out an hour in and then make poor moves while texting on their smartphone resulting in your competitor getting a huge leg up its massively frustrating.
It's also a part of the games typically. Frankly finding lopsided trades is the entire point of the CB draft, which is why I wouldn't enjoy playing.
I like discussing basketball, I don't like sending 30 PMs a day cold calling people and then being a snake-oil salesmen when I know they're going to get killed if I successfully talk them into the deal.
I apologize for trying to do this from my job.
I'm doing it from work as well and if anything it should make you more patient. Maybe it's experience but I did better this year than years past when I wasn't working and was trade crazy.
I don't think the trade elevated OKC to a clear winner but I found see the frustration part.
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Ugly trade...no two ways around it.
Sure, there is no foul play likely involved...but allowing such garbage ruins competitive balance.
Who wants Paul George for a 13th round pick?
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The 76ers select CJ McCollum provided he is available
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Keyon Dooling
Still early for him I think.
Perhaps but my floor minutes are full and certain bench players are taking playing time cuts already. I needed another vet who is fine riding the bench but still plays hard. I also only have one more pick so good enough for me
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Ugly trade...no two ways around it.
Sure, there is no foul play likely involved...but allowing such garbage ruins competitive balance.
Who wants Paul George for a 13th round pick?
Sold. Dibs. I called dibs, everyone.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
Teams get blown up TWW. It happens. I did it last year with mine. The GMs in LA were very adament to get this done. I don't see foul play at hand, just two GMs that did a poor job negotiating.
Too true, but you didn't ever skip four picks in a row either. Are WeMadeIt and GomesFan going to be more involved now that they've bottomed out? "Foul play" isn't the standard, and wasn't in the Harden deal.
Still, if the Clippers like their return and want to come here and make a case for Rubio, Green, Hill, Novak and a couple of late picks for Rose, DeRozan, Mahinmi, Budinger, McLemore and Haslem, that would go a long way.
Anyway, that's my last word.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
Nice high upside guy this late.
Thank you. I've never felt more 'out of touch' with a draft in my life here. Beverly came on a little late last year, but by the end of the season he was the one finishing games for Lin. Tough pesky defender who put Toney Douglas out of a job in Houston who got better as the year went on.
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Portland selects Byron Mullens. Helps sure up my center position if Bynum is out a while.
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Portland selects Byron Mullens. Helps sure up my center position if Bynum is out a while.
I think that's the last everyday starter on the board, but I may be wrong
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CP3 is happy we finally took a backup PG (though we were hoping maybe Billups would fall).
at 10.20 Grizzzzzz take
CJ Watson, PG
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Portland selects Byron Mullens. Helps sure up my center position if Bynum is out a while.
I think that's the last everyday starter on the board, but I may be wrong
Wrong, if you're counting last year... there's a few guys left by my count.
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CP3 is happy we finally took a backup PG (though we were hoping maybe Billups would fall).
at 10.20 Grizzzzzz take
CJ Watson, PG
Better option than Billups anyways.
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CP3 is happy we finally took a backup PG (though we were hoping maybe Billups would fall).
at 10.20 Grizzzzzz take
CJ Watson, PG
nooooooooo
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
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BLOCKBUSTER
LA Clippers send Derrick Rose, DeMar DeRozan, 8.11, 8.16, 9.15, and 9.18
OKC Thunder send Ricky Rubio, Jeff Green, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, 12.5, and 13.21
So the Clippers have two GMs, can't be bothered to make a single pick yesterday, but check in briefly to upend the table? If I don't want to be bothered with the the next three days either okay for me to start dumping talent and picks? I don't see it Nick.
Congrats to Lucky though.
Teams get blown up TWW. It happens. I did it last year with mine. The GMs in LA were very adament to get this done. I don't see foul play at hand, just two GMs that did a poor job negotiating.
Too true, but you didn't ever skip four picks in a row either. Are WeMadeIt and GomesFan going to be more involved now that they've bottomed out? "Foul play" isn't the standard, and wasn't in the Harden deal.
Still, if the Clippers like their return and want to come here and make a case for Rubio, Green, Hill, Novak and a couple of late picks for Rose, DeRozan, Mahinmi, Budinger, McLemore and Haslem, that would go a long way.
Anyway, that's my last word.
I don't auto pick for a team unless it is the 1st 2 rounds or unless it is clear the GM has left his team. The GMs in LA were around last night and commented they were holding off on making picks to confirm a trade, somewhere around midnight. I was too tired to process trades then so it came to this morning. When I had the trade in my possession. No auto picks were necessary or required by rules.
That Lucky turned those picks into the players he did is on his ability to draft well. he could have easily picked some bad talent.
It was not a good trade for LA but it is no more or less lopsided than a few earlier trades that occurred. And LA liked the deal and wanted the deal.
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Portland selects Byron Mullens. Helps sure up my center position if Bynum is out a while.
I think that's the last everyday starter on the board, but I may be wrong
If he's starting for your team, you got issues.
A lot of issues... ;D
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Portland selects Byron Mullens. Helps sure up my center position if Bynum is out a while.
I think that's the last everyday starter on the board, but I may be wrong
If he's starting for your team, you got issues.
A lot of issues... ;D
Don't tell us, tell Michael Jordan!
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GC, my man. Check those PMs.
[And no, it's not a trap.]
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
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GC, my man. Check those PMs.
[And no, it's not a trap.]
Check THIS lucky :P 8) :o ;D
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
There's another PF/C who started last season still undrafted. I looked hard at him but passed. I'd be interested to hear your take once he comes off the board.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
(http://i.qkme.me/3q9gfo.jpg)
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Miami selects Gary Neal
He had no business still being on the board late in the 10th
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
Based on last year, I think I actually might prefer him to Andrea Bargnani.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
The 8 million dollar man.
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With 10.21 GS takes festus ezeli
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
He is my third center. ZaZa is my backup Center and would start if bynum got hurt. Not seeing how he is a negative.
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
Based on last year, I think I actually might prefer him to Andrea Bargnani.
Yeah Bargs was really bad last year, but he's been a much better player than Mullens before. A better bet to bounce back.
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
He is my third center. ZaZa is my backup Center and would start if bynum got hurt. Not seeing how he is a negative.
Inefficient scorer, bad defender, and a poor rebounder for C.
His one virtue is that he can hit 3s at the C position. I think for you 3rd string guys you want them to have one skill set that they can help your team with. Hitting 3s from the C position isn't something I think is all that valuable.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
The 8 million dollar man.
haha...
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With 10.21 GS takes festus ezeli
Amazed that Ezeli slipped so far. Great value.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
The 8 million dollar man.
haha...
(http://cache.vevo.com/Content/VevoImages/video/16957DA9DB2203E52761EC8D3873AD75.jpg)
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With 10.21 GS takes festus ezeli
Amazed that Ezeli slipped so far. Great value.
His surgery and stone hands made him sink I guess.
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Knicks select: Beno Udrih
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Knicks select: Beno Udrih
One of the guys I was thinking of over Dooling.
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Knicks select: Beno Udrih
One of the guys I was thinking of over Dooling.
He'll be a perfect 3rd string point when Rondo comes back and a great back up to Hinirch. 40% from three with his short stint in Orlando with a 15 PER... Im happy.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Jermaine O'Neal.
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Miami selects Gary Neal
The 8 million dollar man.
haha...
(http://cache.vevo.com/Content/VevoImages/video/16957DA9DB2203E52761EC8D3873AD75.jpg)
Haha. Awesome.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
Nice high upside guy this late.
Thank you. I've never felt more 'out of touch' with a draft in my life here. Beverly came on a little late last year, but by the end of the season he was the one finishing games for Lin. Tough pesky defender who put Toney Douglas out of a job in Houston who got better as the year went on.
I like Beverley a lot too. He might well be starting in Houston when it's all said and done.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Jermaine O'Neal.
Noooooooo. I knew I should have picked him at 10.24 not 11.2
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Holy Jesus!
I didn't know I had a pick! And everybody was stealing the guys I like.
I'm so STOOPID! ;D
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Jermaine O'Neal.
Noooooooo. I knew I should have picked him at 10.24 not 11.2
What's ironic is that I was looking at Udrih. Since you took him, I went with O'Neal.
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Washington selects Kyle Singler.
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The Los Angeles Lakers select Jermaine O'Neal.
Noooooooo. I knew I should have picked him at 10.24 not 11.2
What's ironic is that I was looking at Udrih. Since you took him, I went with O'Neal.
Haha. Great minds I guess.
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Boston selects Patrick Beverly, because wdleehi left me in charge today.
Nice high upside guy this late.
Thank you. I've never felt more 'out of touch' with a draft in my life here. Beverly came on a little late last year, but by the end of the season he was the one finishing games for Lin. Tough pesky defender who put Toney Douglas out of a job in Houston who got better as the year went on.
I like Beverley a lot too. He might well be starting in Houston when it's all said and done.
YEAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
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Washington selects Kyle Singler.
I would Singler over Evan Turner at starting SF.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
He might as well not be. I heard there's a very real possibility he misses all of next season.
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With 10.21 GS takes festus ezeli
Amazed that Ezeli slipped so far. Great value.
Denver selects Jason Richardson.
JRich and Ezeli are both supposed to miss most/all of 2013-14 IIRC....
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
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Wow. There are still actual starters out there to be drafted.
Weird right? But they mostly strike me as better fantasy plays than actual NBA rotation guys.
Yeah Mullens is a big negative as a starting player, even as a backup C he's probably still a net negative.
He is my third center. ZaZa is my backup Center and would start if bynum got hurt. Not seeing how he is a negative.
Inefficient scorer, bad defender, and a poor rebounder for C.
His one virtue is that he can hit 3s at the C position. I think for you 3rd string guys you want them to have one skill set that they can help your team with. Hitting 3s from the C position isn't something I think is all that valuable.
D'Antoni will likely get the best out of them though.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
I laughed out loud reading this and now I want to apologize.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
I laughed out loud reading this and now I want to apologize.
LOL all you want TWW. I am as well. It was a panic pick, I saw him, he was available and just selected him, without research.
Hey, at the very least, he's a veteran presence. God, I really am stoopid. ;D ;D ;D
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
Allegedly, he's also down with OPP (http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/828301/steve-nashs-ex-wife-talks-about-baby-matteo), which might spread discord and chemistry issues in your locker room.
It stands for property. Says so in the song.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
Allegedly, he's also down with OPP (http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/828301/steve-nashs-ex-wife-talks-about-baby-matteo), which might spread discord and chemistry issues in your locker room.
It stands for property. Says so in the song.
Jason Richardson treats objects like women, man.
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That is a bummer about Ezeli. I didn't know he was out with injury for so long.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
Allegedly, he's also down with OPP (http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/828301/steve-nashs-ex-wife-talks-about-baby-matteo), which might spread discord and chemistry issues in your locker room.
It stands for property. Says so in the song.
At this point he can listen to what he wants, this is a fail in every sense of the world. This is one injury I wouldnt even dare to defend come pressers time. I'm just gonna go like this.
G - Jason Richardson, G, 6'6".
Sits in a chair in a suit better than any of your chair sitters.
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That is a bummer about Ezeli. I didn't know he was out with injury for so long.
Wow, me neither. GSW now has to rely on the health of Bogut and O'Neal?
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TP to Yoki for the good humor. Picks this late barely matter anyway.
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That is a bummer about Ezeli. I didn't know he was out with injury for so long.
Wow, me neither. GSW now has to rely on the health of Bogut and O'Neal?
Why not, Bogut IS healthy.
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http://nba.si.com/2013/06/13/festus-ezeli-knee-surgery-golden-state-warriors-injury-update/
A six-month rehabilitation would put Ezeli’s return date in mid-December. A nine-month recovery timeline would push his return back to mid-March.
IIRC, JRich is looking at a similar rehab timetable.
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Denver selects Jason Richardson.
I literally forgot he was still in the league.
I just read he might miss the season, so there goes that pick... Wow, what a day for me eh?
I forgot I have a pick, and selected a guy who might miss the season. Awesome.
Allegedly, he's also down with OPP (http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/828301/steve-nashs-ex-wife-talks-about-baby-matteo), which might spread discord and chemistry issues in your locker room.
It stands for property. Says so in the song.
I may have brought that up last summer in order to sway votes against a Nash/Richardson backcourt...
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TP to Yoki for the good humor. Picks this late barely matter anyway.
Yeah but if I would have known I would have picked someone else. Again, it was a panic pick but I had three guys in mind. I just saw him and thought, "hey, starter level talent" then did my research for the pressers and then boop.
I'm still laughing at the failure, actually.
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http://nba.si.com/2013/06/13/festus-ezeli-knee-surgery-golden-state-warriors-injury-update/
A six-month rehabilitation would put Ezeli’s return date in mid-December. A nine-month recovery timeline would push his return back to mid-March.
IIRC, JRich is looking at a similar rehab timetable.
Hope you're right Lucky. Rumors say he might miss 9 months at least.
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http://nba.si.com/2013/06/13/festus-ezeli-knee-surgery-golden-state-warriors-injury-update/
A six-month rehabilitation would put Ezeli’s return date in mid-December. A nine-month recovery timeline would push his return back to mid-March.
IIRC, JRich is looking at a similar rehab timetable.
Hope you're right Lucky. Rumors say he might miss 9 months at least.
Hmmm. You may be right. Initial timetable was 6-9 months, but some speculate it could be longer.
http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/8/28/4666546/jason-richardson-injury-sixers-j-rich-season-knee
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Ill take Trey Burke with my missed pick
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11.1 is on the move
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Do we have to hold a TOTF vot or by concensus can we just give it to CFF now? :D
Detroit
Guards: Bradley Beal, Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters< Trey Burke
Forwards: Anthony Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Otto Porter
Centers: Andre Drummond, Bismack Biyombo, Greg Oden
Coach: Brad Stevens
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That is a bummer about Ezeli. I didn't know he was out with injury for so long.
http://nba.si.com/2013/06/13/festus-ezeli-knee-surgery-golden-state-warriors-injury-update/
Says he could return sometime between December and March. Unlike Perk it isn't the ACL too. I do think you will see him next year.
With my team it was more of a luxury pick but outside of Rose, history has shown that guys with these types of injuries return for the season. And again this isn't the ACL.
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TRADE
Cleveland sends: 11.7, 13.7, 5 TPs
Washington sends: 11.1
If a mod could give Rebus his 5 TPs, it would be appreciated
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Nick I'm going to send you a list for the 11.10.
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Do we have to hold a TOTF vot or by concensus can we just give it to CFF now? :D
Absolutely just hand him TOTF right now.
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Thanks Nick.
Cleveland makes it's first pick in a looooooooooooong time, and takes the backup PG we need in Steve Blake
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With 11.2 the Knicks will roll the injury dice and take his word on him being back healthy this year. Proud to take the floor spreading, 15 PER, and surprisingly good defensive talents (over the last two healthy years) of...
Channing Frye
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With 11.2 the Knicks will roll the injury dice and take his word on him being back healthy this year. Proud to take the floor spreading, 15 PER, and surprisingly good defensive talents (over the last two healthy years) of...
Channing Frye
Nice, was looking at him a little later on. Good risk/reward for this stage.
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Not sure who I'm picking next. PM me your ideas. every PM gets a TP, if I pick your guy you get 5 tps!
This is my roster:
Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Darrell Arthur, John Salmons
Centers: Chris Bosh, Samuel Dalembert
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With 11.2 the Knicks will roll the injury dice and take his word on him being back healthy this year. Proud to take the floor spreading, 15 PER, and surprisingly good defensive talents (over the last two healthy years) of...
Channing Frye
It's a real gamble. His heart condition is pretty serious.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/02/channing_frye_forced_to_the_sideline_isnt_ready_to.html
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Houston Rockets take DJ Augustin with 11.3
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Houston Rockets take DJ Augustin with 10.3
Very Nice
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Not sure who I'm picking next. PM me your ideas. every PM gets a TP, if I pick your guy you get 5 tps!
This is my roster:
Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Darrell Arthur, John Salmons
Centers: Chris Bosh, Samuel Dalembert
C'mon guys, 5 minutes left to earn you tps.
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Not sure who I'm picking next. PM me your ideas. every PM gets a TP, if I pick your guy you get 5 tps!
This is my roster:
Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Gary Neal
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Darrell Arthur, John Salmons
Centers: Chris Bosh, Samuel Dalembert
C'mon guys, 5 minutes left to earn you tps.
Cedric Maxwell.
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Houston Rockets take DJ Augustin with 11.3
I see you have firmly committed to the screw-defense-except-at-SF-and-maybe-Dragic/Gortat strategy.
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Saw this in the other thread and thought it interesting
Taking offers. Have a deal for Blake and other starting pieces if you want to send a deal then send it now.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
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Miami selects Alexy Shved.
Thanks to nick and Rondolongname for their suggestions.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
Solid pick for you. He'll soak up time between SG/SF while Marvin rehabs.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
That reminds me, HEY CHAMP! You ready to watch your Commodores get stomped by my rebels tomorrow?
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binkie alert.
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/09c78c86589146fe82015ded02c7da44/940x.jpg)
Grizzzzzz select another banger to go against DH12...
Chuck Hayes.
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Washington selects Thomas Robinson
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
Absolutely I do. Athletic enough to give you plus defense at 2 positions, and developing into a guy who can be a three-and-D player at the very least. He's more of a SF than a SG, but he'll fit into either spot as a high energy guy off the bench.
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binkie alert.
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/09c78c86589146fe82015ded02c7da44/940x.jpg)
Grizzzzzz select another banger to go against DH12...
Chuck Hayes.
Look how much higher Chuck Hayes can jump than Drama Howard!
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
That reminds me, HEY CHAMP! You ready to watch your Commodores get stomped by my rebels tomorrow?
Ole Miss doesn't have a single player on its roster that has ever been on the field for a Rebel victory over Vanderbilt. Not a one. Mississippi represents the only BCS college football win for Robbie Caldwell as a head coach, a man better known for his work as a turkey inseminator than a playcaller.
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binkie alert.
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/09c78c86589146fe82015ded02c7da44/940x.jpg)
Grizzzzzz select another banger to go against DH12...
Chuck Hayes.
Look how much higher Chuck Hayes can jump than Drama Howard!
Looks like Chuck really bit on that initial pump fake. That's an "and-one" coming up.
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Ugh, had plans for today but they fell through. Super bored and willing to entertain trades for both this and DKC.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
That reminds me, HEY CHAMP! You ready to watch your Commodores get stomped by my rebels tomorrow?
Ole Miss doesn't have a single player on its roster that has ever been on the field for a Rebel victory over Vanderbilt. Not a one. Mississippi represents the only BCS college football win for Robbie Caldwell as a head coach, a man better known for his work as a turkey inseminator than a playcaller.
So what you're saying is you're petrified of our recruiting class.
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I believe I'm up, I'm going to take Jeff Taylor to bolster the defense at my SG spot. He can defend like nobodys business and doesnt need shots on offense.
I like this pick. I've heard at least one report that he might get the start over MKG
Sweet, so you like it and I know Champkind will like it as well.
That reminds me, HEY CHAMP! You ready to watch your Commodores get stomped by my rebels tomorrow?
Ole Miss doesn't have a single player on its roster that has ever been on the field for a Rebel victory over Vanderbilt. Not a one. Mississippi represents the only BCS college football win for Robbie Caldwell as a head coach, a man better known for his work as a turkey inseminator than a playcaller.
So what you're saying is you're petrified of our recruiting class.
9 4 or 5 star recruits. Logically, I should be. But Vanderbilt is 5-1 against Ole Miss in the last 6 years, so clearly we're at a point beyond logic in this rivalry.
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
I like it. He was in the mix for me at 10.5, but I needed Maynor more.
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
I like it. He was in the mix for me at 10.5, but I needed Maynor more.
Thanks. I like the value at 11.7
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
I'm sorry. Please tell me about this week's matchup between the Alouettes and Argonauts instead.
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Ryan Hollins
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
I'm sorry. Please tell me about this week's matchup between the Alouettes and Argonauts instead.
Argos have the be favoured but depends on the health of the QBs. Instead of a matchup of two future hall of famers, we could see Zach Collaros versus Phillip Marsh (aka Marsh Madness).
Still better than two SEC also rans. :)
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Ryan Hollins
Check your PMs please, Truth.
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With the 10th pick in the 11th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Orlando Magic select:
RONNIE BREWER
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No love for TRob?
Who cares about Ole Miss and Vandy?
I'm sorry. Please tell me about this week's matchup between the Alouettes and Argonauts instead.
Argos have the be favoured but depends on the health of the QBs. Instead of a matchup of two future hall of famers, we could see Zach Collaros versus Phillip Marsh (aka Marsh Madness).
Still better than two SEC also rans. :)
Anytime you can watch the third-best quarterback that the University of Cincinnati has produced in the last 8 years, you've gotta tune in. ;)
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Just listed my roster in the trading block thread, as always any offers are met with a tp.
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With 11.2 the Knicks will roll the injury dice and take his word on him being back healthy this year. Proud to take the floor spreading, 15 PER, and surprisingly good defensive talents (over the last two healthy years) of...
Channing Frye
It's a real gamble. His heart condition is pretty serious.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/02/channing_frye_forced_to_the_sideline_isnt_ready_to.html
Big gamble and various serious. But both Frye and the suns have said he would play this season.
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With 11.2 the Knicks will roll the injury dice and take his word on him being back healthy this year. Proud to take the floor spreading, 15 PER, and surprisingly good defensive talents (over the last two healthy years) of...
Channing Frye
It's a real gamble. His heart condition is pretty serious.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2013/02/channing_frye_forced_to_the_sideline_isnt_ready_to.html
Big gamble and various serious. But both Frye and the suns have said he would play this season.
Hope so. Seems like a good person.
BTW, check your PMs, please.
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With the 12th pick in the 11th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
TYLER ZELLER
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Ryan Hollins
Check your PMs please, Truth.
Send again?
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With the 12th pick in the 11th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Milwaukee Bucks select:
TYLER ZELLER
Ahh yes. There's another starter that was lurking
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couple directions to go here...
(http://stuffpoint.com/minnesota-timberwolves/image/135083-minnesota-timberwolves-dante-cunningham.jpg)
Dante Cunningham
Boom. Shock. A. Lacka.
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Hahaha. Blake Griffin piggyback rides
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Boston selects Terrance Jones if he's still there.
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Boston selects Terrance Jones if he's still there.
Somebody has to take care of the homeless problem up there in Northern New York, huh?
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Brooklyn selects THE RED MAMBA
(http://theomosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/red.jpg)
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Boston selects Terrance Jones if he's still there.
Somebody has to take care of the homeless problem up there in Northern New York, huh?
Wow. Way to kick a man when he's down, Roy.
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The 11.21 is on the block. Due in about 30 minutes.
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The 76ers select Victor Claver
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Atlanta selects:
Nick Young
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The 76ers select Victor Claver
I love this pick. Celticsblog now believes in Victor Claver more than Portland does.
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Clippers select Meyers Leonard
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The 76ers select Victor Claver
I love this pick. Celticsblog now believes in Victor Claver more than Portland does.
I feel like when an unknown player plays very well against the Celtics our opinion of that player gets really really really skewed. I loved what Claver did when we played them out in Portland.
I volunteered at the MIT Sloan conference and ended up chatting with a member (albeit low ranking member) of the Portland front office and he went on and on about how much they love him.
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The 76ers select Victor Claver
I love this pick. Celticsblog now believes in Victor Claver more than Portland does.
I feel like when an unknown player plays very well against the Celtics our opinion of that player gets really really really skewed. I loved what Claver did when we played them out in Portland.
I volunteered at the MIT Sloan conference and ended up chatting with a member (albeit low ranking member) of the Portland front office and he went on and on about how much they love him.
You're a lucky, lucky sonofabiscuit.
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No takers on the 11.21?
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Portland will select Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to back up Joe Johnson or maybe start and have Joe Johnson come in off the bench:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thomposn
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
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Sorry Lucky, can't wait much longer. Cleveland takes Timofey Mozgov
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Sorry Lucky, can't wait much longer. Cleveland takes Timofey Mozgov
Well, that was the guy I was going to take.
Guess I'll sit on the pick for a while.
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The person picking before me has until 3:40 to make their pick per the schedule. I am likely going to be a jerk and submit my pick at 3:41.
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Alright well i'll take the pride of SBU
Andrew Nicholson
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5656925/20121222_ter_sx9_530.0_standard_352.0.jpg)
Unfortunately he's not all that impressed with us i guess.
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Alright well i'll take the pride of SBU
Andrew Nicholson
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5656925/20121222_ter_sx9_530.0_standard_352.0.jpg)
Unfortunately he's not all that impressed with us i guess.
Casual Orlando fans still wonder how Brandon Bass lost all that weight
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Alright well i'll take the pride of SBU
Andrew Nicholson
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/5656925/20121222_ter_sx9_530.0_standard_352.0.jpg)
Unfortunately he's not all that impressed with us i guess.
Casual Orlando fans still wonder how Brandon Bass lost all that weight
Hahahaha. You are hilarious.
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We're getting closer and closer to the point where I want one of our resident __________ apologists to put their money where their mouth is...
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With the 25th pick of the 11th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select Greg "The Steamer" Stiemsma
(http://bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2012/01/03/b4304b_010212celtsmw004.jpg)
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With 11.23 the GS Warriors select Ekpe Udoh
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Dallas Mavs select: (a bit late sorry)
Jason Smith
And
Reggie Bullock
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Check your PM, fitzhickey.
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Check your PM, fitzhickey.
Yes! Check those PMs. That goes for quite a few of you.
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Let's talk about starting back courts. How about Wall and Thompson?
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Looking to make trades pm me.
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Looking to make trades pm me.
Same here guys!
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Looking to trade PM me
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Looking to trade PM me
Did you get my follow-up PM?
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With the draft ending tomorrow, what's the schedule looking like afterwards? I understand we'll need to present the basics of our teams, and afterwards there'll be playoff seeding, the matchups themselves, and of course crowning the winner.
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Looking to take advantage of GMs who are freaking out and worrying about their teams. Will trade scaps for your stars.
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Well, I've got some trade feelers out there.
I still have an 11th rounder to use, but if there are no more trades for me to make, I'll make the selection later this evening.
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
Rockets overpaid, but now have a better fit.
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
Rockets overpaid, but now have a better fit.
I would much rather have Faried and Bynum than Jefferson and Augustine
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
Rockets overpaid, but now have a better fit.
:'( come on Ron. Don't be so harsh!
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
The trade should work out fine for both teams. Kirilenko is exactly the type of defender that you need to put next to Big Al.
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About time I make my last pick.
With the 11.21, OKC selects Dennis Schroeder.
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
The trade should work out fine for both teams. Kirilenko is exactly the type of defender that you need to put next to Big Al.
I think that's actually very true. The best possible partner to Al Jefferson is the cloned baby of Ryan Anderson and Kevin Garnett. Or just Kevin Garnett. But since that's not on the table, AK-47 makes sense.
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About time I make my last pick.
With the 11.21, OKC selects Dennis Schroeder.
I love this pick. Not in the, 'I'm gonna rate your team better because of it' kinda way, but in the 'Im gonna look dumb for not ranking your team higher in 8 months' kinda way.
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
The trade should work out fine for both teams. Kirilenko is exactly the type of defender that you need to put next to Big Al.
I think that's actually very true. The best possible partner to Al Jefferson is the cloned baby of Ryan Anderson and Kevin Garnett. Or just Kevin Garnett. But since that's not on the table, AK-47 makes sense.
We also would have accepted Curly Neal as an answer.
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About time I make my last pick.
With the 11.21, OKC selects Dennis Schroeder.
I love this pick. Not in the, 'I'm gonna rate your team better because of it' kinda way, but in the 'Im gonna look dumb for not ranking your team higher in 8 months' kinda way.
Truth be told, I thought I should have gone with the other guy I was considering here.
Odds are 50/50 I trade Rondo's German doppelganger tomorrow anyways.
Then again:
PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
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About time I make my last pick.
With the 11.21, OKC selects Dennis Schroeder.
I love this pick. Not in the, 'I'm gonna rate your team better because of it' kinda way, but in the 'Im gonna look dumb for not ranking your team higher in 8 months' kinda way.
Truth be told, I thought I should have gone with the other guy I was considering here.
Odds are 50/50 I trade Rondo's German doppelganger tomorrow anyways.
Then again:
PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
Not better than:
Beverley
Fournier
Awesome prospect not yet taken
T Jones
J Valancinunas
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San Antonio Spurs pulling the 11th pick in the 11th round out of a hat, select:
Donatas Motiejūnas.
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San Antonio Spurs pulling the 11th pick in the 11th round out of a hat, select:
Donatas Motiejūnas.
I flipped a coin, bet on Terrance, it can easily be the other way around.
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Coming in this late I did miss on three guys I would've looked hard at, in order of most regretful to least:
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Really like his chances, also that name.
TIMOFEY MOZGOV - How do you say, "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" in Russian?
Tyler Zeller - But then I would've been tempted to use my 13th round pick Luke.
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Coming in this late I did miss on three guys I would've looked hard at, in order of most regretful to least:
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Really like his chances, also that name.
TIMOFEY MOZGOV - How do you say, "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" in Russian?
Tyler Zeller - But then I would've been tempted to use my 13th round pick Luke.
You watch the job interview with Cody Zeller? Their family pickup games seem tense.
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San Antonio Spurs pulling the 11th pick in the 11th round out of a hat, select:
Donatas Motiejūnas.
I flipped a coin, bet on Terrance, it can easily be the other way around.
It's likely high stakes too, with one of them starting in a featured role and the other relegated to fifth big minutes and DNP-CDs.
You may have won the coin flip though, Jones has the larger reputation and outplayed Motiejunas last season. But I can't root for him. Also Donatas's height and back to the basket game are more valuable to us than to the actual Rockets.
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You watch the job interview with Cody Zeller? Their family pickup games seem tense.
Ha, no, I'll have to check that out.
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San Antonio Spurs pulling the 11th pick in the 11th round out of a hat, select:
Donatas Motiejūnas.
I flipped a coin, bet on Terrance, it can easily be the other way around.
It's likely high stakes too, with one of them starting in a featured role and the other relegated to fifth big minutes and DNP-CDs.
You may have won the coin flip though, Jones has the larger reputation and outplayed Motiejunas last season, but I've thrown my lot in with Donatas, Jones has some growing up to do.
That's the way I saw it as well. The thing that gave me pause was Jones 3pt %. 30 is nothing to bank on as a starter, but he's probably the better P&R defender. But if Morey wants shooters, and shooters only, Donutz seems like the choice.
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With that pick made, Spurs are offering their 12th and 13th picks for a higher 12th.
If nobody takes that offer, I'll have made it through an entire CB Draft without pulling off a single trade?!?
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With that pick made, Spurs are offering their 12th and 13th picks for a higher 12th.
If nobody takes that offer, I'll have made it through an entire CB Draft without pulling off a single trade?!?
I'll happily take iggy off your hands for smith if you wanna make a trade ;D
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TRADE
Dallas Mavericks sends: Kenneth Faried and Will Bynum
Houston Rockets sends: Al Jefferson and DJ Augustine
Ohhh, No! I wish Houston hadn't of done that. I really loved the balance of that team.
I think Big Al to Faried is a major downgrade for Houston. A large enough downgrade to take them off my list of title contenders in the West. I was worried something like this would happen with all the criticism Big Al was getting at the PF position.
DJ Augustin to Will Bynum is a small upgrade at backup PG but there is a better backup PG still on the draft board if that was the concern.
I don't really know where Dallas' roster is right now. I liked their team the best before they made either of their two big trades. I thought that first group had the best chemistry and cohesion to it.
Emm, after checking the roster page, I believe the lack of depth at quick forward means Dallas should start Big Al (PF) + Kanter (C) together (not as good as Big Al/Gortat) and keep Kirilenko at SF. Trying to play AK-47 at PF creates too large a liability at SF with Jonas Jerebko.
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PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
Not better than:
Beverley
Fournier
Awesome prospect not yet taken
T Jones
J Valancinunas
Go look at Detroit's roster and stop being ridiculous.
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I have a meeting this morning and won't be around the boards for awhile. So I'm going to make my selection now.
With the 1st pick in the 12th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select Jae Crowder
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I have a meeting this morning and won't be around the boards for awhile. So I'm going to make my selection now.
With the 1st pick in the 12th round, the Minnesota Timberwolves select Jae Crowder
Dang good pick haha
Like his defensive ability
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PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
Not better than:
Beverley
Fournier
Awesome prospect not yet taken
T Jones
J Valancinunas
Go look at Detroit's roster and stop being ridiculous.
I was only using my reserves, Mister Snappy McSnarkington.
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PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
Not better than:
Beverley
Fournier
Awesome prospect not yet taken
T Jones
J Valancinunas
Go look at Detroit's roster and stop being ridiculous.
I was only using my reserves, Mister Snappy McSnarkington.
I smell tension ;)
All jokes aside IP if you were gunning for TOTF Kyrie would be a very good pairing alongside Jonas
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PG: Schroeder
SG: McLemore
SF: Shumpert
PF: Patterson
C: Mahinmi
TOTF consideration?
Not better than:
Beverley
Fournier
Awesome prospect not yet taken
T Jones
J Valancinunas
Go look at Detroit's roster and stop being ridiculous.
I was only using my reserves, Mister Snappy McSnarkington.
That's DOCTOR McSnarkington to you, whippersnapper!
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Ive got a guy I like with 12.2 but can trade if you want it. I'll probably make my pick in 15 minutes or so.
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Hold off on the picks. I still don't think I have heard from CFF regarding his missed picks yesterday and if I don't I have to designate a player for him
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Hold off on the picks. I still don't think I have heard from CFF regarding his missed picks yesterday and if I don't I have to designate a player for him
Word. Just dont assign him my guy!!!
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Nick, I'll make my own picks today. Might be a little late with them, but at this point in the draft it shouldn't mean much.
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STATEMENT
Reposting this from the Draft Interest Thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67145.msg1535437#msg1535437
The Draft Lottery is the morning of Friday August 16th. I will post the draft thread with the big board and schedule of all rounds, shortly thereafter. The first four posts will be for a list of all teams and their GMs, the big board, a list of all players that played in the league last year and players that were drafted as well as as many undrafted rookies that have been invited to camps as I can find, and a trade transaction post. I will attempt to keep these the big board and the players list and trade transaction list as up to date as possible and hopefully have it completed by midnight each night at the latest.
Know that getting trades approved by me between the hours of midnight and 7:00AM probably isn't going to happen. So plan accordingly or be patient.
Trading negotiations can begin immediately after and each team is allowed just one trade before the draft commences. Thereafter, bring them on but know you can only have one, unapproved trade request into the commissioner's office at a time.
The Draft commences at 11:00AM on Monday August 18th. That week is one round per day.
That weekend commences the Coach's Round of the draft. Beginning right after the draft ends on Friday August 22nd teams will be able to select their head coaches. One coach per team, no assistants. No time limit. Just select your coach and then send a PM to the next GM in line to select stating that you have made your selection and it is now their turn to select their coach. This finishes wherever it finishes but must be completed before rosters need to be submitted.
On Monday August 26th the draft resumes with four days of two rounds per day where times between picks are cut from 10 minutes to 5 minutes. For those not doing the math that equals 13 rounds of drafting total.
Rosters are maxed at 15 players but must have a minimum of 13 players. Any teams under 13 players will have a free agency period starting at 6:00PM Thursday August 22nd. Those teams under 13 players will get to sign any player not chosen. Those teams can sign one player during each 24hr period after 6:00PM Thursday August 22nd until they hit the 13 player minimum.(A 24 hour period is 6:00PM Thursday until 5:59:59PM Friday not 24 hours between picks)
You may not have more than 15 players on your roster and there is no stashing players overseas. If you draft a player that plays overseas, he is on your roster but he will not be considered playing for you during the voting period. If you have 15 players and still own draft picks, sell them for TPs.
Trades can be made up until the deadline but know the deadline is the Labor Day holiday, Monday Sept 2nd at 8:00 PM. I will make every attempt to be around to approve trades that final weekend but even I have a life, so if I can not get all trades approved that weekend in a timely manner, apologies ahead of time.
Pressers will begin Tuesday Sept 3rd with the Atlantic and Pacific divisions. Wednesday Sept 4th will be the Central and Northwest divisions and Thursday Sept 5thh will be pressers for the Southeast and Southwest divisions.
Voting for regular season results and playoff seeding will take place on Friday Sept6th. First round of the playoffs will occur on Monday Sept 9th. Conference semifinals will happen on Tuesday Sept. 10th. Conference Finals to be done on Wednesday Sept. 11th and the Finals on Thursday Sept. 12th. Other awards will be held during playoff week and those times are to be determined.
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So starting tonight at 6:00PM EST if you have less than 13 players you may sign any player not chosen that is still available. If you have just 11 players, you may signed one player in the 24 hour period starting at 6:00PM tonight and ending at 5:59PM tomorrow night and then sign another player starting at 6:00PM tomorrow night. I am not sure this even applies but just in case.
If you already have 13 players, you do not get to participate in free agency.
Rosters will be frozen on Monday Sept 1 at 8:00 PM EST. Any trades confirmed by both parties that are into the commissioners office prior to that time that have not been processed will be processed retroactively. No trades will occur after that time.
The Pressers dates and voting dates above are firm so be ready to participate. If you do not, at the very least, submit a depth chart in the pressers, your team will not be eligible for the playoffs.
All votes will be PMed to me. I will create a public spreadsheet to go public with the voting results that detail each vote and the final results.
Its a holiday weekend people so plan accordingly and get your pressers ready and final trades completed.
I will be creating presser threads tomorrow and locking them. If you want to insert your presser ahead of time, PM me, I will open it and you can post your presser. THERE WILL BE NO POSTING IN PRESSERS UNTIL EACH OF THE 5 TEAMS FROM EACH DIVISION HAS POSTED THEIR PRESSER FIRST OR UNTIL 12:00 NOON EST OF THE DAY OF THE PRESSER. IF YOU SEE A PRESSER OPEN BEFORE THE DATE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN, IT IS BECAUSE A GM IS WORKING WITHIN IT. SO PLEASE DO NOT POST IN IT.
Once a presser thread opens on the designated sate, questions will be asked of each GM from everyone or anyone. GMs are expected to answer questions as they see fit. If they want to give details, they can. If they want to go Belichickian on you(without the snarkiness that is Bill Belichick) they can do that as well. It is all up to the GM. I only ask that the GMs make an effort to be at their pressers at some time and field questions. Please, follow the rules of the blog and follow the rules of debate set forth in this thread:
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 8th pick in the 11th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Detroit Pistons select:
SERGEY KARASEV
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Round 12 can now start and Rondo and Indiana is up.
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Alright, im going to take another Binky here but one who I think can really contribute.
Shaun Livingston
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/files/2013/03/slivingston312.jpg)
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Livingston is a good pick.
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Livingston is a good pick.
yep... it was him, ___, or CJ Watson as my backup PG. I went with Watson's D and health over Livingston, but I root for the kid.
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with the 3rd pick in the 12th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Chicago Bulls select:
GIANNIS ANTETOKOUNMPO
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Offering 12.13 and 13.13 for earlier 12th and later 13th. Will also give unspecified number of TP's.
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Offering 12.13 and 13.13 for earlier 12th and later 13th. Will also give unspecified number of TP's.
Up to a maximum of 5 TPs
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With the 4th pick in the 12th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Denver Nuggets select:
LEANDRO BARBOSA
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L.A. Clippers Select Gerald Henderson
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L.A. Clippers Select Gerald Henderson
I think he's off the board, bud
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He isn't crossed out?
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L.A. Clippers Select Gerald Henderson
You are about 6 rounds too late
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L.A. Clippers Select Gerald Henderson
I got excited when I saw his name not crossed out in the 8th round and thought how is this guy still sitting here. but he was gone a long time ago.
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He isn't crossed out?
Thanks for pointing that out. He's crossed out now.
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Ok well he wasn't crossed out. Clippers select Mickael Pietrus
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Offering 12.13 and 13.13 for earlier 12th and later 13th. Will also give unspecified number of TP's.
To add to this, I will also personally help someone select a late-round sleeper to make you look smart next spring. You need only move back a lil in the 12th round.
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Actually, nevermind. Datome was selected in the 10th. I no longer care if I move up.
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With the 6th pick of the 12th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Denver Nuggets select:
ALEC BURKS
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Just double posting.
Clippers Select
Mickeal Pietrus
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With the 6th pick of the 12th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Denver Nuggets select:
ALEC BURKS
Talented guard who can certainly contribute off the bench. Nice pick
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DESIGNATED PICK
With the 8th pick in the 11th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Detroit Pistons select:
SERGEY KARASEV
Solid pick. This dude is mad slept on. He's the best shooter of this year's draft class and is stepping into a prime opportunity where Cleveland needs that floor spacing at the wing. He's also a very cerebral player and does a great job moving the ball, which would help Kyrie. He reminds me of Gordon Hayward, and I would not be surprised at all to see him ending up being one of the top 5 players out of this draft class - and this is all coming from a guy who is SUPER skeptical of foreign players.
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Pressers will begin Tuesday Sept 3rd with the Atlantic and Pacific divisions. Wednesday Sept 4th will be the Central and Northwest divisions and Thursday Sept 5thh will be pressers for the Southeast and Southwest divisions.
Voting for regular season results and playoff seeding will take place on Friday Sept6th. First round of the playoffs will occur on Monday Sept 9th. Conference semifinals will happen on Tuesday Sept. 10th. Conference Finals to be done on Wednesday Sept. 11th and the Finals on Thursday Sept. 12th. Other awards will be held during playoff week and those times are to be determined.
Dang, I think I might be headed on vacation during this time. I'm definitely glad I have a co-GM, but I'm super bummed I won't be there to advocate for my team's beastliness :(
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This is going to be a long day.
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So Ivan Johnson is going to China...
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
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Can I fire my coach? ;D
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
To be perfectly honest, I've never cared one bit about who people take as coaches in this draft. It's a non-factor for me.
I don't take coaching into account when analyzing these teams.
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So Ivan Johnson is going to China...
Woah what the heck you traded Al Jefferson for Kenneth Faried? Wow! That is the ultimate for-fit/screw-value trade. It's not much of an upgrade on defense, but Faried is certainly more active and mobile, and his rebounding will be a nice addition to your squad.
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
To be perfectly honest, I've never cared one bit about who people take as coaches in this draft. It's a non-factor for me.
I don't take coaching into account when analyzing these teams.
But some do.
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Can I fire my coach? ;D
Good question!
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
To be perfectly honest, I've never cared one bit about who people take as coaches in this draft. It's a non-factor for me.
I don't take coaching into account when analyzing these teams.
But some do.
What a great move by the rookie coach...Oye.
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Hawks select:
DeJuan Blair
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Can I fire my coach? ;D
Good question!
Can I fire somebody elses coach?
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Cleveland selects:
Terrence Ross, the bink.
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
To be perfectly honest, I've never cared one bit about who people take as coaches in this draft. It's a non-factor for me.
I don't take coaching into account when analyzing these teams.
But some do.
I will definitely take it into consideration when trying to figure out things like rookie/young player contribution and development.
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Cleveland selects:
Terrence Ross, the bink.
"I really think Cleveland has a nice core of complimentary players who are going to mesh well together. Clear team to beat." - StartOrien, in the future.
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What a great move by the rookie coach...Oye.
Guy riding high on the hog is brought low by a DUI, then had to go coach a bunch of seemingly randomly assembled talents in a relative basketball backwater.
I liked it better when it was called 'Mighty Ducks'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93iLTn0BpBc
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You can just skip my pick when it comes up and I'll make it during lunch. Haven't looked at the board closely enough to make a list.
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My pick here is a young guard who plays solid defense, shoots the three, and has earned good minutes. In short, exactly what I need on my bench
Brooklyn selects JODIE MEEKS
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The importance of making a good or bad coaching selection.
Mike Budenholzer was arrested for a DUI last night. I have to now set back Washington some as he hired a rookie coach, who was arrested for DUI, who may have legal problems he has to deal with and might have lost the respect of his players.
How can a guy who got arrested on a DUI, expect his players to follow rules conduct on the road, curfews the nights before games, locker room rules, etc.?
It creates a bad dynamic.
To be perfectly honest, I've never cared one bit about who people take as coaches in this draft. It's a non-factor for me.
I don't take coaching into account when analyzing these teams.
But some do.
i take it into consideration. its all about the players for me, but in certain situations in post season voting, sometimes i factor it in making my decision.
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Portland selects Jason Maxiell .
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Mad thanks to Nick for picking for Denver.
How about stealing talents like Barbosa and Burks in the 12th, eh? Not bad!
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What a great move by the rookie coach...Oye.
Guy riding high on the hog is brought low by a DUI, then had to go coach a bunch of seemingly randomly assembled talents in a relative basketball backwater.
I liked it better when it was called 'Mighty Ducks'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93iLTn0BpBc
Haha. If i could give this a thousand TP's I would... So I'll just give you one.
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Some top quality picks so far this round. For being the 12th round that is
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Not much more roster tweaks are needed, so the Los Angeles Lakers select Michael Carter-Williams.
Personally I think he's a bust, but a lot of people are high on him, and he has a killer opportunity in Philadelphia this year. And how's Michael Carter-Williams | Jeremy Lamb | Ed Davis | Kelly Olynyk for some TOTF action? The Lakers now have a quality team for the now while stockpiling talent for the future. That's San Antonio Spurs level bossing right there.
Also, there's still quite a bit of solid talent left in the draft pool.
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I pick Wayne Ellington
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Personally I think he's a bust,
Great marketing!
;)
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Kent Bazemore
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Personally I think he's a bust,
Great marketing!
;)
Oh man.... If I was a gm in the west.
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Kent Bazemore
Fraternity brother or something?
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Kent Bazemore
Fraternity brother or something?
Fraternal twin. I'm Bent Kazemore
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Kent Bazemore
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/01920f4401c05dd74fd9d27a698ae669/tumblr_mqji8fZE5K1qfo2gpo1_500.jpg)
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So Ivan Johnson is going to China...
Well there go my title hopes. :'(
(seriously i kinda hate that rule... oh well).
at 12.20 Memphis Grizzzzz will have to draft a little for need:
Lavoy Allen,
(http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/77-24/77-24841-J.jpg)
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Clippers select Ronnie Turiaf
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With 12.21, the Pacers will draft who I believe to be the Suns starting PF next year. Markeiff Morris
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Some top quality picks so far this round. For being the 12th round that is.
My draft board got destroyed: Alec Burks, DeJuan Blair, Jae Crowder, Jason Maxiell, Shaun Livingston, Wayne Ellington.
Nice work gentlemen.
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With 12.21, the Pacers will draft who I believe to be the Suns starting PF next year. Markeiff Morris
This guy should've been gone long ago. This is a great pick and is a huge value addition to your depth.
Still quite a few talented players left in the draft pool.
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The San Antonio Spurs will use their 12th round pick on:
Toney Douglas.
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The Heat select Kevin Seraphin
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The San Antonio Spurs will use their 12th round pick on:
Toney Douglas.
First Jones/Donutz now Bazemore/Douglas. Get your own ideas, wiggle!
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Cavs take Lamar Odom
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With 12.21, the Pacers will draft who I believe to be the Suns starting PF next year. Markeiff Morris
This guy should've been gone long ago. This is a great pick and is a huge value addition to your depth.
Still quite a few talented players left in the draft pool.
I tried to talk myself into drafting him. He'll certainly have the opportunity to play in Phoenix, but he's something on an enigma. He can stretch the floor, force turnovers, block shots, then again he's inefficient and terrible on the glass.
Here's Bright Side of the Suns final word:
Bad player + no improvement = D (I was tempted to go with D-)
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Cavs take Lamar Odom
Interesting. If he plays, he's a good fit for you, even in his diminished condition of the last two years.
There's no guarantee, or even probability, that he plays, though.
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With 12.21, the Pacers will draft who I believe to be the Suns starting PF next year. Markeiff Morris
This guy should've been gone long ago. This is a great pick and is a huge value addition to your depth.
Still quite a few talented players left in the draft pool.
I tried to talk myself into drafting him. He'll certainly have the opportunity to play in Phoenix, but he's something on an enigma. He can stretch the floor, force turnovers, block shots, then again he's inefficient, a liability defensively, and terrible on the glass.
Here's Bright Side of the Suns final word:
Bad player + no improvement = D (I was tempted to go with D-)
Yeah, it's that last part that strikes me. He didn't progress at all from his rookie to sophomore season, and even regressed a small bit.
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With the 6th pick of the 12th round of the 2013 CB Draft the Denver Nuggets select:
ALEC BURKS
Talented guard who can certainly contribute off the bench. Nice pick
I ride for Burks. Jazz's starting shooting guard, draws fouls at a near elite level, could make the leap this season.
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Cavs take Lamar Odom
Interesting. If he plays, he's a good fit for you, even in his diminished condition of the last two years.
There's no guarantee, or even probability, that he plays, though.
Worth the risk at this point. We're still gonna sign a free agent though.
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I tried to talk myself into drafting him. He'll certainly have the opportunity to play in Phoenix, but he's something on an enigma. He can stretch the floor, force turnovers, block shots, then again he's inefficient and terrible on the glass.
Here's Bright Side of the Suns final word:
Bad player + no improvement = D (I was tempted to go with D-)
It's a fair assessment for sure, but at this point in the draft, you can't go wrong with a big man with his sort of skill set and potential. The lack of development certainly concerns me, but Phoenix wasn't exactly a nurturing environment last year.
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May we carry fifteen players?
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pearljammer, check PMs.
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May we carry fifteen players?
I believe nick said 13.
Minimum of 13, maximum of 15.
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Looking to buy a 13th with TPs.
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I tried to talk myself into drafting him. He'll certainly have the opportunity to play in Phoenix, but he's something on an enigma. He can stretch the floor, force turnovers, block shots, then again he's inefficient and terrible on the glass.
Here's Bright Side of the Suns final word:
Bad player + no improvement = D (I was tempted to go with D-)
It's a fair assessment for sure, but at this point in the draft, you can't go wrong with a big man with his sort of skill set and potential. The lack of development certainly concerns me, but Phoenix wasn't exactly a nurturing environment last year.
yup pretty much my assessment i wouldnt have taken him earlier of course but he could have a big season with the minutes he will be getting.
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May we carry fifteen players?
I believe nick said 13.
You can carry more if you traded for picks and picked more players.
But if after the next round you have 13 players, no free agency for you.
Roster max capacity is 15 players.
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I tried to talk myself into drafting him. He'll certainly have the opportunity to play in Phoenix, but he's something on an enigma. He can stretch the floor, force turnovers, block shots, then again he's inefficient and terrible on the glass.
Here's Bright Side of the Suns final word:
Bad player + no improvement = D (I was tempted to go with D-)
It's a fair assessment for sure, but at this point in the draft, you can't go wrong with a big man with his sort of skill set and potential. The lack of development certainly concerns me, but Phoenix wasn't exactly a nurturing environment last year.
Good point. That roster is a mess. In fact, one of the Suns' biggest names still on the draft board...
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pearljammer, check PMs.
PJ, disregard. Don't wait for me.
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May we carry fifteen players?
I believe nick said 13.
You can carry more if you traded for picks and picked more players.
But if after the next round you have 13 players, no free agency for you.
Roster max capacity is 15 players.
Spurs offering cash (TPs) for 13th round picks. Also willing to move Motiejunas or Douglas.
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I ride for Burks. Jazz's starting shooting guard, draws fouls at a near elite level, could make the leap this season.
I've followed him since Colorado and while I was rooting for his success, I'm very skeptical of it. A lot of his offensive successes in college came from using his superior athleticism and explosiveness to get into the paint for high percentage shots, but at the NBA level, those physical tools aren't as dominating anymore, and he's really struggled with his most comfortable method of attack. Without a reliable jumper, his offense is really shaky. Last year, he shot a putrid 26% (yes, 26%!!!) between 3-16 feet.
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Knicks beef up their Center slot with:
Victor Faverani
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Knicks beef up their Center slot with:
Victor Faverani
Was wondering when he'd go.
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Houston Rockets take Nazr Mohammed
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Washington selects Wes Johnson
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Could not be more pumped to nab a player as good as Seraphin this late in the draft.
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Detroit selects Norris Cole with the missed pick earlier.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
Kane knew I was going to be the first to blink in our trade discussions, but, even at the risk of making a conference rival stronger, I felt I had to turn DeRozan into a wing who could actually hit a three.
Need a follow up deal for roster balance, although Shump will see minutes at the 3.
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I know terminology and position are fluid, but Gordon isn't a wing, just too small.
He's a PG/SG.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
This really nukes any excitement I had for Golden State. They had a lot of talented individual pieces, but they weren't good fits alongside one another. Rather than moving them for a more cohesive unit, Golden State went out and made this problem even worse.
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I know terminology and position are fluid, but Gordon isn't a wing, just too small.
He's a PG/SG.
I know.
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Orlando Kobes select Bassy Telfair as our emergency 3rd PG.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
This really nukes any excitement I had for Golden State. They had a lot of talented individual pieces, but they weren't good fits alongside one another. Rather than moving them for a more cohesive unit, Golden State went out and made this problem even worse.
Interesting move here.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
This really nukes any excitement I had for Golden State. They had a lot of talented individual pieces, but they weren't good fits alongside one another. Rather than moving them for a more cohesive unit, Golden State went out and made this problem even worse.
I'll add that this was a decent trade for OKC. They got the short end of the stick in terms of talent, but Derozan is simply a terrible piece alongside Rose/Dwight. Lucky's definitely moving towards the right direction by swapping him for a shooter like Gordon, but I can't help but wonder if better value could have been gotten in return for Derozan.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
This really nukes any excitement I had for Golden State. They had a lot of talented individual pieces, but they weren't good fits alongside one another. Rather than moving them for a more cohesive unit, Golden State went out and made this problem even worse.
Yeah, that's been my issue with Golden State as well. They're maybe the most talented team in the league, but they're a bit of a jumbled mess.
Taking on DeRozan just compounds that. I don't like the kid as a player, and as Lucky just learned, he's got very little trade value.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
This really nukes any excitement I had for Golden State. They had a lot of talented individual pieces, but they weren't good fits alongside one another. Rather than moving them for a more cohesive unit, Golden State went out and made this problem even worse.
I'll add that this was a decent trade for OKC. They got the short end of the stick in terms of talent, but Derozan is simply a terrible piece alongside Rose/Dwight. Lucky's definitely moving towards the right direction by swapping him for a shooter like Gordon, but I can't help but wonder if better value could have been gotten in return for Derozan.
When I said this deal was interesting... This was the exact thoughts going through my head. TP.
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I can't help but wonder if better value could have been gotten in return for Derozan.
I explored trade potential for DeRozan in the DKC, in case I traded for him. He basically has none. Now, there, you have a salary cap, which makes a big difference, but I don't think I've ever seen a player who scores so much, but who is valued so little.
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Yeah, I shopped DeRozan HARD before making this deal. Very few interested parties.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
I like that trade for GSW.
Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.
I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.
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I can't help but wonder if better value could have been gotten in return for Derozan.
I explored trade potential for DeRozan in the DKC, in case I traded for him. He basically has none. Now, there, you have a salary cap, which makes a big difference, but I don't think I've ever seen a player who scores so much, but who is valued so little.
I had Derozan in pick2 so I feel you guy's pain.
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We are at lunch with just Evantime needing to make a pick to complete round 12.
I will not be here for this final round so Roy is assuming commissioner duties until I return later on.
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Wish I could conduct trade talks, but I've got to bounce for a while. I've submitted a list to nick for the 13.5.
Please send your offers in. All will receive a TP. I'll get back to you later on this afternoon.
[Edit: Roy, I'll send you list as well.]
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
I like the trade for OKC too.
DeRozan was a hard fit on a team with D-Rose and D-Howard. Someone like Ben Gordon (who I like very much) will do a much better job. I think BG is going to have a fun time playing off of D-Rose and D-Howard. His explosive scoring + shooting ability is going to create much improved spacing for his superstar teammates.
I think Ben Gordon for D.DeRozan is a fair trade value wise for both teams. I wouldn't consider B.Gordon bad value for someone like DeRozan.
I also think they are superior fits for each teams. Both squads got better with this deal.
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I like that trade for GSW.
Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.
I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.
I would share this enthusiasm but it's all smoke and mirrors. You're right that Demar's better off coming off the bench because he'd be a poor fit in the starting unit, but where is he going to get backup SG minutes from? You already mentioned Williams and Jackson, and they'll be soaking up most of the bench guard minutes. That leaves Rush alternating between starting SG and backup SF, which would mean Derozan would still have to see the court with Gay. Or, Derozan could instead be the backup SF, but he hasn't posted great numbers whatsoever playing that position, and would likely see very limited playing time anyway with Gay soaking up at least 35 minutes.
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Yeah I definitely like Gordon better than DeRozan for OKC.
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Can someone lay out for me the basis of the DeRozan hate? I haven't seen him play much at all, but while he seems flawed, he's not an especially inefficient scorer and all his advanced stats are in the mediocre-to-ok range. Even the assists aren't terrible.
Is he just a selfish knucklehead or something? I can see why people don't think he's as good as the raw stats, but seeing him as nearly worthless seems like a stretch.
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As far as Ben Gordon, he fell off a cliff in the second half last year and clashed with his coach. I value his skill set to fill a role, but I don't care for him as a starter, or even necessarily as a sixth man.
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I like that trade for GSW.
Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.
I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.
I would share this enthusiasm but it's all smoke and mirrors. You're right that Demar's better off coming off the bench because he'd be a poor fit in the starting unit, but where is he going to get backup SG minutes from? You already mentioned Williams and Jackson, and they'll be soaking up most of the bench guard minutes. That leaves Rush alternating between starting SG and backup SF, which would mean Derozan would still have to see the court with Gay. Or, Derozan could instead be the backup SF, but he hasn't posted great numbers whatsoever playing that position, and would likely see very limited playing time anyway with Gay soaking up at least 35 minutes.
Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?
He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.
Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.
If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.
DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.
Golden State improved themselves here.
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Can someone lay out for me the basis of the DeRozan hate? I haven't seen him play much at all, but while he seems flawed, he's not an especially inefficient scorer and all his advanced stats are in the mediocre-to-ok range. Even the assists aren't terrible.
Is he just a selfish knucklehead or something? I can see why people don't think he's as good as the raw stats, but seeing him as nearly worthless seems like a stretch.
I am not sure what the deal with him is either but I have never liked him as a player based on, well to be honest, I am not really sure what.
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Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?
He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.
Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.
If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.
DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.
Golden State improved themselves here.
I couldn't disagree more. My point in bringing up his minutes isn't to say that he needs a bigger role, but it exemplifies the overriding theme of the roster. There is a lot of talent, but it's utilized horribly. I don't think Golden State improved themselves at all here when all they've is made a lateral move even though they had the potential to become a very good team.
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Who cares? Seriously. Who cares about DeRozan's minutes?
He is the 9th-10th man. That's it.
Not some integral part of the team who you have to find minutes for.
If there are minutes available where he can help you, he'll get them. If there aren't, no worries because you are not forced into relying on him for playing time to begin with. He is an end of the bench player. You don't worry about minutes with players like this.
DeRozan is just someone who gives you an extra option. A different option off the bench than you had before. A valuable option to have. That is a good thing. It is that simple.
Golden State improved themselves here.
I couldn't disagree more. My point in bringing up his minutes isn't to say that he needs a bigger role, but it exemplifies the overriding theme of the roster. There is a lot of talent, but it's utilized horribly. I don't think Golden State improved themselves at all here when all they've is made a lateral move even though they had the potential to become a very good team.
A lateral move for a player who is a better fit = improvement
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With the 13.1, Washington selects Brenden Haywood.
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A lateral move for a player who is a better fit = improvement
You can just as easily say that the loss in trade value negates that improvement.
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Houston Rockets take Derek Fisher
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Lol with the way Lebron draws fouls you can never have enough tall athletic wings who can also score.
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The Heat Select Omri Casspi
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Lucky selects Landry Fields.
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Lol with the way Lebron draws fouls you can never have enough tall athletic wings who can also score.
I forgot for a moment you had Brandon Rush as your starting two guard. He has the size, muscle and defensive talent to cover SFs and allow DeRozan to stay at two guard. A shooter too to complement DeRozan's slashing.
B.Rush + R.Gay
D.DeRozan + R.Gay
D.DeRozan + B.Rush
I really like those three wing combinations. Very athletic. Good pairings.
Plus, Draymond Green (combo forward) when a bigger body at forward is required for defensive purposes. As well as a big combo guard like Reggie Jackson if smaller guards are causing problems. Lots of good options lineup + matchup wise.
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Lucky selects Landry Fields.
I like that pick a lot. Will be a valuable reserve for OKC.
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Lucky selects Landry Fields.
I like that pick a lot. Will be a valuable reserve for OKC.
I'm not as sure.
Fields looked excellent the first half of his rookie year. It appeared that he'd have a long career as at least a reserve.
Since that time, though, he's been in pretty steady decline. Landry isn't a bad pick for this stage, but I don't have much faith in his ability to be a rotation player.
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Buyin 13th rounders if you're sellin' them for TP's.
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Buyin 13th rounders if you're sellin' them for TP's.
TPs are worth as much these days as the rupee.
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Buyin 13th rounders if you're sellin' them for TP's.
TPs are worth as much these days as the rupee.
Well your karma profile is under water, I understand why a relatively small amount of TP's isn't anything you're interested in. But to a lot of people, this is their livelihood. A tommy point is validation. It means, 'Somebody out there doesn't hate me.'
All TP Transactions are followed by a post praising your team, without listing any of the negatives. ANd I'll do my homework too.
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Buyin 13th rounders if you're sellin' them for TP's.
TPs are worth as much these days as the rupee.
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/187/8/a/link_and_his_rupee_by_jingster-d3l5ucv.png)
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All TP Transactions are followed by a post praising your team, without listing any of the negatives. ANd I'll do my homework too.
The only thing worth less than a TP is the bluster of Indeed "P.T. Barnum" Proceed.
If you really want trade value, you should make him show you the secret formula for DKC voting.
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Knicks take all 6 foot 9 inches, a winners mentality with a slam dunk trophy and the 19.88 PER of...
Jeremy Evans
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Not sure if anyone has drafted crack-head Kardashian yet....but if someone does I'm automatically voting that team last place.
:P
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Not sure if anyone has drafted crack-head Kardashian yet....but if someone does I'm automatically voting that team last place.
:P
Cleveland drafted him.
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sorry for being late to my pick...
at 13.6, Memphis GRizzzzzzz select
Brian Roberts, PG
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/981/411/hi-res-159215632_display_image.jpg?1360922498)
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Guess we're up - Orlando Kobes finish off their roster by adding Aaron Gray. Aaron will specialize in wearing huge shoes and obtaining things on unusually high shelves.
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sorry for being late to my pick...
at 13.6, Memphis GRizzzzzzz select
Brian Roberts, PG
I was wondering when this guy would get picked. He put up stats whenever he got minutes, and his rookie season was capped off with an 18-assist game last year against the Nuggets. He's got legit talent and will easily become one of the better backup PGs for years to come.
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
Offering for a 13th Rounder:
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
Offering for a 13th Rounder:
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
Too bad you can't throw in any Gallinari knee cartilage.
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
Offering for a 13th Rounder:
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
Too bad you can't throw in any Gallinari knee cartilage.
Ouch. Low blow.
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The San Antonio Spurs round out there roster with the selection of:
DeMarre Carroll.
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
Offering for a 13th Rounder:
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
Too bad you can't throw in any Gallinari knee cartilage.
Um, I'd probably keep that, Roy. Duh.
This guy, amirite?
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Houston is on the clock again. With 13.14, we will take Jimmer Fredette
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See...there's one guy I really want..and one guy I don't know about..
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See...there's one guy I really want..and one guy I don't know about..
Yeah, I always have a tough time between choosing between what I really want, and a potential poop sandwich.
Just pick, buckwheat.
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Boston selects Pero Antic
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Boston selects Pero Antic
Since this guy will be assuming Lamar Odom's role on my DKC roster, I expect you to say all kinds of nice things about him.
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Boston selects Pero Antic
Since this guy will be assuming Lamar Odom's role on my DKC roster, I expect you to say all kinds of nice things about him.
Yeah this has all been a long-con on Roy's part to make me pick guys from the Cavs DKC team so he could use it against me later. Luckily, LMA, Millsap, Asik, Pierce, Oladipo (first rookie chosen yessir) and Lillard have had strong showings. And Toney Douglas got picked.
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Boston selects Pero Antic
Since this guy will be assuming Lamar Odom's role on my DKC roster, I expect you to say all kinds of nice things about him.
Yeah this has all been a long-con on Roy's part to make me pick guys from the Cavs DKC team so he could use it against me later. Luckily, LMA, Millsap, Asik, Pierce, Oladipo (first rookie chosen yessir) and Lillard have had strong showings. And Toney Douglas got picked.
I'm going to cut him tomorrow.
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Boston selects Pero Antic
Since this guy will be assuming Lamar Odom's role on my DKC roster, I expect you to say all kinds of nice things about him.
Yeah this has all been a long-con on Roy's part to make me pick guys from the Cavs DKC team so he could use it against me later. Luckily, LMA, Millsap, Asik, Pierce, Oladipo (first rookie chosen yessir) and Lillard have had strong showings. And Toney Douglas got picked.
I'm going to cut him tomorrow.
Its just to spite me, isn't it? This petty back and forth has to stop. It has to. For the kids.
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13.18:
Mirza Teletovic
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13.18:
Mirza Teletovic
I like this pick in theory, but he's buried behind AK-47 and Pierce, and well...that's that.
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13.18:
Mirza Teletovic
I like this pick in theory, but he's buried behind AK-47 and Pierce, and well...that's that.
But, in fake league, he's a floor-spreading 4 who splits time with John Henson off the bench and confounds opposing big men with his shooting. So...profit?
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Offering TP's for a 13th rounder.
Offering for a 13th Rounder:
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
I'll also include my TV recommendations for things that are sitting there to be seen on Netflix.
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13.18:
Mirza Teletovic
I like this pick in theory, but he's buried behind AK-47 and Pierce, and well...that's that.
But, in fake league, he's a floor-spreading 4 who splits time with John Henson off the bench and confounds opposing big men with his shooting. So...profit?
Great pick if you have a second 13th rounder you wanna send me.
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Can I give a non-guaranteed contract to a player i draft this round?
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Can I give a non-guaranteed contract to a player i draft this round?
Only if you stay below the hard cap.
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I've got two picks queued up here, and i'm going to go young also.
Brooklyn selects Trey Burke and Steven Adams
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Trey Burke already taken.
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Instead of picking again sofu, you should send it my way for..
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
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Instead of picking again sofu, you should send it my way for..
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
I think you should take this to PM's or Email...
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Instead of picking again sofu, you should send it my way for..
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
I think you should take this to PM's or Email...
I tried that, all my emails to "RondosAJerk@gmail.com" got sent to some mid-30's UConn alumni in Miami. All my PMs go unanswered.
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Instead of picking again sofu, you should send it my way for..
1) TP's
2) Review of your teams' strengths, with statistical backup consisting of no less than 300 words.
3) At least 3 names of guys you should look at in Free Agency (that you could probably get here).
I think you should take this to PM's or Email...
I tried that, all my emails to "RondosAJerk@gmail.com" got sent to some mid-30's UConn alumni in Miami. All my PMs go unanswered.
Haha laughed a little bit in my cube at that one.
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Well my last guy looks to be a little burried on the depth chart out in LAC, but I really like him as a solid 3 and D guy at the SF position
Reggie Bullock
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Well my last guy looks to be a little burried on the depth chart out in LAC, but I really like him as a solid 3 and D guy at the SF position
Reggie Bullock
Thought he was taken earlier.
Edit: Yup by the Mavericks round 11
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Well my last guy looks to be a little burried on the depth chart out in LAC, but I really like him as a solid 3 and D guy at the SF position
Reggie Bullock
Thought he was taken earlier.
He was, my fault, then im going for broke. Michael Beasley.....He may be cut later
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Well Portland will select Jordan Crawford.
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Well my last guy looks to be a little burried on the depth chart out in LAC, but I really like him as a solid 3 and D guy at the SF position
Reggie Bullock
Thought he was taken earlier.
He was, my fault, then im going for broke. Michael Beasley.....He may be cut later
I think M.Beasley beats out A.Nicholson for backup PF minutes.
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I'm back. I see it was a fairly common 13th round where about half the people no show. LOL.
Thank you Roy for watching over things this round. I will be working to catch the front page up and I can take trades once again.
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TRADE
Oklahoma City sends: DeMar DeRozan
Golden State sends: Ben Gordon and 13.5
I like that trade for GSW.
Golden State already had two elite reserve combo guards in Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson so Ben Gordon value was minimized there. DeRozan, however, gives them a very different look at 6-6/6-7 220lbs. A big two guard with great athleticism. In terms of creating matchups, DeRozan is the more valuable piece to GSW.
I don't think I'd start DeRozan though. I think Brandon Rush as a defensive stopper is a better fit in the starting unit but I do like the options DeRozan brings off the bench as a backup SG.
pretty much what i was thinking. i like the move for GS
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Thanks for making that pick for me, Roy.
I'm back to field trade offers and dole out TPs.
If you need depth at SG, let me know.
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Is Jordan Farmar still out there?
If so - Minnesota selects him.
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Well my last guy looks to be a little burried on the depth chart out in LAC, but I really like him as a solid 3 and D guy at the SF position
Reggie Bullock
Thought he was taken earlier.
He was, my fault, then im going for broke. Michael Beasley.....He may be cut later
Are we actually allowing cutting people?
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Is Jordan Farmar still out there?
If so - Minnesota selects him.
Yup, he's available.
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Is Jordan Farmar still out there?
If so - Minnesota selects him.
Yup, he's available.
Okay - welcome to the team Jordan.
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Is Jordan Farmar still out there?
If so - Minnesota selects him.
Yup, he's available.
Okay - welcome to the team Jordan.
Fantastic move. I'd say there are more than a dozen PGs already picked who aren't as good as Jordan Farmar is.
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Is Jordan Farmar still out there?
If so - Minnesota selects him.
Yup, he's available.
Okay - welcome to the team Jordan.
Fantastic move. I'd say there are more than a dozen PGs already picked who aren't as good as Jordan Farmar is.
Thank you, sir.
He had some injury troubles last season, but for the majority of his career he has been a capable back up PG. He won't sniff the floor much for me, but I wanted to make sure I had enough depth in the ball-handling department.
Farmar/Crowder/Stiemsma isn't a bad way to round out the roster as the 11th, 12th, and 13th man.
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For their 13th round pick, Denver selects Marcus Camby, if he's still available.
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For their 13th round pick, Denver selects Marcus Camby, if he's still available.
Love that pick
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Home now, I'll make my last pick shortly.
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For their 13th round pick, Denver selects Marcus Camby, if he's still available.
Thought about him - solely as a mentor to my front court. I think he is washed up now.
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ROUNDS UPDATE
ROUND 12 Thursday August 29
11:00 1-276 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Jae Crowder
11:05 2-277 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Shaun Livingston
11:10 3-278 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943: Giannis Antetokounmpo
11:15 4-279 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName: Leandro Barbosa
11:20 5-280 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo ShowClippers: Mickael Pietrus
11:25 6-281 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickeyDenver: Alec Burks
11:30 7-282 Portland Trailblazers riah32: jason Maxiell
11:35 8-283 Atlanta Hawks Champkind: DeJuan Blair
11:40 9-284 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34Cleveland: Terrence Ross
11:45 10-285 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha: Jodie Meeks
11:50 11-286 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan: Ronnie Turiaf
11:55 12-287 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturca: Michael Carter-Williams
12:00 13-288 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP: Kent Bazemore
12:05 14-289 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee: Wayne Ellington
12:10 15-290 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle: Toney Douglas
12:15 16-291 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan: Sebastian Telfair
12:20 17-292 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18 Philadelphia: PICK ANY TIME
12:25 18-293 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever: Norris Cole
12:30 19-294 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_Celtic: Lamar Odom
12:35 20-295 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic: Lavoy Allen
12:40 21-296 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Indiana: Markeiff Morris
12:45 22-297 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe: Kevin Seraphin
12:50 23-298 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture: Nazr Mohammed
12:55 24-299 New York Knicks pearljammer10: Victor Faverani
1:00 25-300 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin: Wesley Johnson
ROUND 13 Thursday August 29
1:45 1-301 Washington Wizards Rebus Rankin Brendan Haywood
1:50 2-302 New York Knicks pearljammer10 Jeremy Evans
1:55 3-303 Houston Rockets BigAltheFuture Derek Fisher
2:00 4-304 Miami Heat KCatTheStripe Omri Casspi
2:05 5-305 Golden State Warriors Kane3387Oklahoma City Landry Fields
2:10 6-306 Memphis Grizzlies Gainesville Celtic Brian Roberts
2:15 7-307 Cleveland Cavaliers airbelinelli/AB_CelticWashington PICK ANY TIME
2:20 8-308 Detroit Pistons Celtic Fan Forever PICK ANY TIME
2:25 9-309 Phoenix Suns TruthFot18 Philadelphia PICK ANY TIME
2:30 10-310 Orlando Magic foulweatherfan Aaron Gray
2:35 11-311 San Antonio Spurs The Walker Wiggle DeMarre Carroll
2:40 12-312 Milwaukee Bucks KGs Knee PICK ANY TIME
2:45 13-313 Boston Celtics wdleehi/Edgar/IP Pero Antic
2:50 14-314 Los Angeles Lakers BleedGreen1989/rondoallaturcaHouston Jimmer Fredette
2:55 15-315 Los Angeles Clippers WeMadeIt17/Gomesfan PICK ANY TIME
3:00 16-316 Brooklyn Nets sofutomygaha Steven Adams
3:05 17-317 Philadelphia 76ers Evantime34Brooklyn PICK ANY TIME
3:10 18-318 Atlanta Hawks Champkind Mirza Teletovic
3:15 19-319 Portland Trailblazers riah32 Jordan Crawford
3:20 20-320 Dallas Mavericks fitzhickey PICK ANY TIME
3:25 21-321 Oklahoma City Thunder The Rondo ShowClippers PICK ANY TIME
3:30 22-322 Denver Nuggets Yoki_IsTheName Marcus Camby
3:35 23-323 Chicago Bulls ronaldo943 PICK ANY TIME
3:40 24-324 Indiana Pacers Rondo2287: Michael Beasley
3:45 25-325 Minnesota Timberwolves McHales Pit: Jordan Farmar
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FREE AGENCY NEWS
It appears barring trades, that only two teams qualify for free agency, Golden State and Cleveland. It also appears that each team is only allowed one selection each in free agency.
So after 6:00PM until rosters close Monday, Cleveland and Washington are allowed one pick each in free agency. If they make a trade that nets them and extra player prior to that time, they lose the right to free agency.
If a team with a full compliment of players makes a trade, please, lets make things simple and just make even trades so that we don't have to start opening free agency to teams. I am open to changing this if you guys want, it would just mean more work for me. But do remember, 15 player maximum on rosters at all time.
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For their 13th round pick, Denver selects Marcus Camby, if he's still available.
Thought about him - solely as a mentor to my front court. I think he is washed up now.
Thats pretty much what he is with this team.
With Riley's tough defense minded coaching style, and Camby could atleast menyor the rrst on whete to position and stuff...
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Not sure if anyone has drafted crack-head Kardashian yet....but if someone does I'm automatically voting that team last place.
:P
Cleveland drafted him.
Sweet! I knew my main competition in the East would slip up eventually. ;D
No way a team with a crak-head in the lockeroom is good. Next thing you know the whole team will be smoking it up before games, and doing stuff like this...
http://www.youtube.com/v/WNrehtOZIlY?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0
By the way, is it just me, or doesn't Ricky "Buckets" look eerily similar to a younger, slimmer Gerald Wallace?
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Not sure if anyone has drafted crack-head Kardashian yet....but if someone does I'm automatically voting that team last place.
:P
Cleveland drafted him.
Sweet! I knew my main competition in the East would slip up eventually. ;D
No way a team with a crak-head in the lockeroom is good. Next thing you know the whole team will be smoking it up before games
Wouldn't really call it a slip-up. He either gets his act together during the offseason and is a good selection, or he doesn't and he won't play for us.
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FREE AGENCY SELECTION
As added big man insurance, Cleveland takes Bernard James
'Merica.
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Not sure if anyone has drafted crack-head Kardashian yet....but if someone does I'm automatically voting that team last place.
:P
Cleveland drafted him.
Sweet! I knew my main competition in the East would slip up eventually. ;D
No way a team with a crak-head in the lockeroom is good. Next thing you know the whole team will be smoking it up before games
Wouldn't really call it a slip-up. He either gets his act together during the offseason and is a good selection, or he doesn't and he won't play for us.
Don't fret...I was just teasing.
But seriously, I'm surprised anyone dared to touch him.
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With 13.23 I'll take Andris Biedrins.
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Pm me for trade.
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Milwaukee selects Willie Green with it's 13.12
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FREE AGENCY NEWS
It appears barring trades, that only two teams qualify for free agency, Washington and Cleveland. It also appears that each team is only allowed one selection each in free agency.
So after 6:00PM until rosters close Monday, Cleveland and Washington are allowed one pick each in free agency. If they make a trade that nets them and extra player prior to that time, they lose the right to free agency.
If a team with a full compliment of players makes a trade, please, lets make things simple and just make even trades so that we don't have to start opening free agency to teams. I am open to changing this if you guys want, it would just mean more work for me. But do remember, 15 player maximum on rosters at all time.
I only have 12 players so does that make me eligible too? I gave Lucky my last pick in the Derozan deal.
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FREE AGENCY NEWS
It appears barring trades, that only two teams qualify for free agency, Washington and Cleveland. It also appears that each team is only allowed one selection each in free agency.
So after 6:00PM until rosters close Monday, Cleveland and Washington are allowed one pick each in free agency. If they make a trade that nets them and extra player prior to that time, they lose the right to free agency.
If a team with a full compliment of players makes a trade, please, lets make things simple and just make even trades so that we don't have to start opening free agency to teams. I am open to changing this if you guys want, it would just mean more work for me. But do remember, 15 player maximum on rosters at all time.
I only have 12 players so does that make me eligible too? I gave Lucky my last pick in the Derozan deal.
Yes. I was looking at the wrong team. Sorry It is your team I meant.
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So here are the 3pt shooting percentages for my roster, listed by last season/career
Conley--.361//.375
Bayless--.353//.351
Redick--.366//.390
Ellington--.392//.382
Green--.428//.347
George--.362//.358
Ariza--.364//.325
Gee--.315//.329
Anderson--.382//.384
Not listed
Okafor, Evans, Smith, Zeller
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With the 13.20 Dallas selects: Terrence Williams
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So here are the 3pt shooting percentages for my roster, listed by last season
Danny Green .429
Nate Robinson .405
Chris Copeland .421
Shawn Marion .315
Jrue Holiday .368
Greivis Vasquez .342
J.R. Smith .356
Doesn't include bigs or rookies.
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Looking to trade pm me
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FREE AGENCY NEWS
It appears barring trades, that only two teams qualify for free agency, Washington and Cleveland. It also appears that each team is only allowed one selection each in free agency.
So after 6:00PM until rosters close Monday, Cleveland and Washington are allowed one pick each in free agency. If they make a trade that nets them and extra player prior to that time, they lose the right to free agency.
If a team with a full compliment of players makes a trade, please, lets make things simple and just make even trades so that we don't have to start opening free agency to teams. I am open to changing this if you guys want, it would just mean more work for me. But do remember, 15 player maximum on rosters at all time.
I only have 12 players so does that make me eligible too? I gave Lucky my last pick in the Derozan deal.
Yes. I was looking at the wrong team. Sorry It is your team I meant.
Ok thanks. TP.
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need some help about a possibele trade?
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need some help about a possibele trade?
Don't trade with Lucky...he'll take your lunch money (and your best players)
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need some help about a possibele trade?
Don't trade with Lucky...he'll take your lunch money (and your best players)
And act all nice and polite the whole time. Whatta guy...
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To all the ladies out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc6d1t7CeJs
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Riah did you get my pm?
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Ill take Gorgiu Dieng with my last pick.
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Ill take Gorgiu Dieng with my last pick.
TOTF locked in
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FREE AGENCY NEWS
It appears barring trades, that only two teams qualify for free agency, Golden State and Cleveland. It also appears that each team is only allowed one selection each in free agency.
So after 6:00PM until rosters close Monday, Cleveland and Washington are allowed one pick each in free agency. If they make a trade that nets them and extra player prior to that time, they lose the right to free agency.
If a team with a full compliment of players makes a trade, please, lets make things simple and just make even trades so that we don't have to start opening free agency to teams. I am open to changing this if you guys want, it would just mean more work for me. But do remember, 15 player maximum on rosters at all time.
One of my (Memphis) players -- Ivan Johnson skipped to China after I drafted him. May we make a FA addition to get to 13 players?
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As my two last picks they are Drew Gooden and Marquies Daniels
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CHAMP! COME OUT SO I CAN HECKLE YOU!
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To all the ladies out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc6d1t7CeJs
Wow. Nobody quoted this or anything. This was awesome. Tommorow, TP for you, buddy. TP.
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STATEMENT
I have been asked several times about cutting players and signing free agents. I am sorry but that is not something we are doing. If you pick a player that will be playing overseas or is injured, you will have to make do with the other players on your team.
The only team left with a free agent selection is Golden State.
I am owed one pick from Brooklyn and one pick from Washington.
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Gahhh we only have 82 hours to make trades!
Somebody, fill my inbox!
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Send me trades!
Send me trades!
Send me trades!
Send me trades!
Send me trades!
Please ;D
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Sorry I missed yesterday the Sixers select Marquis Teague and Jamaal Franklin to round out the roster.
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Oops, thought this was the trading block thread. Oh well.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZGNk8pUj4Y
I could watch this all day.
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It's too bad we don't have a Toronto team because that would be perfect for their press conference.
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Willing to talk trades throughout the weekend. Lawson, Horford, and Garnett are staying in Cleveland, though.
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Also, before anyone says anything, let's just say Lamar probably won't be hanging around the Cleveland clubhouse.
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Also, before anyone says anything, let's just say Lamar probably won't be hanging around the Cleveland clubhouse.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lamar-odom-arrested-dui-20130830,0,3202129.story
Too bad. I'd love to see KG's reaction to Lamar's off-season.
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Also, before anyone says anything, let's just say Lamar probably won't be hanging around the Cleveland clubhouse.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lamar-odom-arrested-dui-20130830,0,3202129.story
Too bad. I'd love to see KG's reaction to Lamar's off-season.
Yeah, the DUI is what I was referring to with my post.
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Also, before anyone says anything, let's just say Lamar probably won't be hanging around the Cleveland clubhouse.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lamar-odom-arrested-dui-20130830,0,3202129.story
Too bad. I'd love to see KG's reaction to Lamar's off-season.
Yeah, the DUI is what I was referring to with my post.
Ouch keeps getting worse. Too bad I've always liked Odom a lot.
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I've got a strong suspicion there are going to be quite a few teams that wipe themselves out by Monday making some foolish trade and then are stuck scrambling to make all their new parts fit.
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I've got a strong suspicion there are going to be quite a few teams that wipe themselves out by Monday making some foolish trade and then are stuck scrambling to make all their new parts fit.
Tends to happen with newer GMs a lot, they hear all the critiques and aren't confident enough in their teams and start trading. Before you know it they have a hot mess and all they did was make teams with more experienced and savy GMs better.
Happens all too often in this game.
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I've got a strong suspicion there are going to be quite a few teams that wipe themselves out by Monday making some foolish trade and then are stuck scrambling to make all their new parts fit.
Tends to happen with newer GMs a lot, they hear all the critiques and aren't confident enough in their teams and start trading and before you know it they have a hot mess and all they did was make teams with more experienced and savy GMs better.
Happens all too often in this game.
Yeah, one of the newer GMs asked me about this. His worry was that he had a playoff team, but not really a contender, and he was thinking of doing something drastic.
My advice: even if you're not going to "win", there's a lot of value in getting playoff experience, debating against another GM and trying to convince others about the strengths of your team. It's a lot of fun, and it's good practice for future drafts.
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
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I've got a strong suspicion there are going to be quite a few teams that wipe themselves out by Monday making some foolish trade and then are stuck scrambling to make all their new parts fit.
Tends to happen with newer GMs a lot, they hear all the critiques and aren't confident enough in their teams and start trading and before you know it they have a hot mess and all they did was make teams with more experienced and savy GMs better.
Happens all too often in this game.
Yeah, one of the newer GMs asked me about this. His worry was that he had a playoff team, but not really a contender, and he was thinking of doing something drastic.
My advice: even if you're not going to "win", there's a lot of value in getting playoff experience, debating against another GM and trying to convince others about the strengths of your team. It's a lot of fun, and it's good practice for future drafts.
Sound advice from the champ.
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
Yeah, I don't think there's a clear favorite this year, or even a consensus top four or five.
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I've got a strong suspicion there are going to be quite a few teams that wipe themselves out by Monday making some foolish trade and then are stuck scrambling to make all their new parts fit.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9AlJ8s5BZ7U/SbMCMrsnctI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/hsJJ78ez_gk/s400/terrell-owens-popcorn-dallas1.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84XzQq8x0dw
CHAMP! WHERE ARE YOU?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84XzQq8x0dw
CHAMP! WHERE ARE YOU?
No. Go away. That game never happened.
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
when does voting start?
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Washington takes Gerald Green with their last pick
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with our crazy overdue pick, Brooklyn selects Mason Plumlee, who we hear has a relatively large body that is able to maneuver relatively rapidly.
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Washington takes Gerald Green with their last pick
Somebody just vaulted to "Team of the Future" front runner!
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There are still a couple teams yet to make picks/FA selections?
Surprised at the upside/role players still on the board at this point. Almost enough to go one more round.
Toward that end, I'll happily pay TP for a pick at this point, or field trade offers where I send you two of my guys for one of yours and a pick.
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
when does voting start?
Next Friday for the regular season. The week following for playoffs. With the pressers still to go and a holiday Monday, it was the fastest it was going to be able to happen.
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
This is my first CB draft but I agree as far as parity. There is little to nothing that really separates us at the top. Every team has its strengths and its flaws with no real "loaded" team.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84XzQq8x0dw
CHAMP! WHERE ARE YOU?
Leave that Champkind alone.
Also, college football... YAWN.
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Memphis Grizzlies Player Profiles
Zach Randolph
(http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2011/02/23/24griz2_t607.jpeg)
Zach Randolph? On the decline? Let's get real. He barely jumps at all as it is, and attempted just 18 dunks last season! Z-Bo and his old man game aren't going anywhere any time soon, because age is not going to affect him like it does with others. Sure, his days of 20/10 are over, but that's only thanks to the emergence of Conley and Gasol. Z-Bo's usage rate last season was the second lowest of his entire career, and the Grizzlies were able to afford playing him two less minutes per game compared to his dominant 10-11 campaign.
Many people are quick to point the finger at his postseason performance last year, but how bad was it? Excluding the Spurs series, Z-Bo posted 19.7 points / 9.3 rebounds on .512 / .729 shooting. San Antonio had the fortitude to collapse on Memphis's frontcourt, successfully limiting both Randolph and Gasol, but not many people seem inclined to label Gasol as a declining player.
Entering this upcoming season, life will only be easier for Z-Bo with improved floor spacing. The addition of Marcus Thornton combined with the promotion of Quincy Pondexter will make teams think twice before loading up the paint, and Memphis's bread-and-butter high-low offense is going to be more effective than ever. Randolph might be 32-years old, but don't even dare to underestimate his game. Otherwise, you'll be in for a major reality check this season.
http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2013/5/31/4376470/grading-the-2012-13-memphis-grizzlies-zach-randolph-pf
The lone Grizzly to make the NBA All-Star team this year, Zach Randolph rebounded nicely from his injury ridden season of 2011-12 and matched a lot of his production from his phenomenal 2010-11 season, all while helping lead the franchise to record setting win totals, percentages and postseason advancement.
When you look at Zbo's stats from this year they pretty much line up with all of his career averages. Zach was able to have an above average year in rebounding while his slight dip in points and shots can be explained by the development and progression of Marc Gasol and Mike Conley; the shots were just spread out over the roster more than they have been in the past.
Randolph's shooting started off superbly at 50% in November and December before an ankle sprain would start to limit his effectiveness at what he does best - snagging offensive rebounds, tip-ins and put-backs. Around the time of the injury there also began a series of rumors based around him and/or Rudy Gay being traded, and it had to have affected Zbo's focus and subsequent production to some degree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqY-QqiFl0g
Good write-up by the lakers on my man ZBo!
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I have never seen as much parity in this game at the end of the drafting as I have seen this year. I feel that is a good thing and will make things interesting for the voting phase and put a tremendous emphasis on match ups during the playoffs.
I also think it should hold voters attention deeper into the playoffs, but we will see.
when does voting start?
Next Friday for the regular season. The week following for playoffs. With the pressers still to go and a holiday Monday, it was the fastest it was going to be able to happen.
thx, tp
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
I think you are about the 50th different GM that has done that and said that over the years LOL
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
I don't play video games :P
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
I think you are about the 50th different GM that has done that and said that over the years LOL
Lol I always do it. Can't help it
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
yeah, probably on "easy" mode ;)
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
yeah, probably on "easy" mode ;)
No easy mode in 2k, you silly guy.
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
Aren't you and Air roomies or something?
Pretty awesome having a fellow CB member as a roommate. Somebody who can understand your obsession. Most people in my life just look at me as some crazy deranged basketball fan (they're probably right).
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Time to go create the Dallas Mavs super team ;D
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
yeah, probably on "easy" mode ;)
No easy mode in 2k, you silly guy.
Like I said, I don't play video games. Haven't in a looooong time.
I'd rather just sit on the porch listening to some good tunes and have a few beers. Or talk non-sense with you guys (while also having a few beers).
Although I already know IP will not approve of my beer selection.
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
Aren't you and Air roomies or something?
Pretty awesome having a fellow CB member as a roommate. Somebody who can understand your obsession. Most people in my life just look at me as some crazy deranged basketball fan (they're probably right).
Yes, we are. He joined CB when he saw an opening in the pick 2 draft and after I had been talking about it for a few days. We've been co-GMs ever since. Although I do 90% of the work :P
It is pretty awesome. And it's actually three of us that are this obsessed with basketball. The third is studying abroad this fall and doesn't have a CB account (yet).
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
yeah, probably on "easy" mode ;)
No easy mode in 2k, you silly guy.
Like I said, I don't play video games. Haven't in a looooong time.
I'd rather just sit on the porch listening to some good tunes and have a few beers. Or talk non-sense with you guys (while also having a few beers).
Although I already know IP will not approve of my beer selection.
Haha as a 14 year old all I do is basketball, school, hang out or play video games haha
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I've begun the habit of "saving" my draft teams by making them in 2K. Air and I played against each other with our Pick 2 teams. That was a good time.
Oh, and our DKC team, they dominate.
yeah, probably on "easy" mode ;)
No easy mode in 2k, you silly guy.
Like I said, I don't play video games. Haven't in a looooong time.
I'd rather just sit on the porch listening to some good tunes and have a few beers. Or talk non-sense with you guys (while also having a few beers).
Although I already know IP will not approve of my beer selection.
Sometimes I want to ask IP his opinion of Budweiser Select so I can simply watch his head explode.
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
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Sometimes I want to ask IP his opinion of Budweiser Select so I can simply watch his head explode.
This deserves a thousand TP's
And even as a Bud Light drinker, I hate that "select" crap.
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
Donkey Kong on N64 was my all-time favorite. Once video games went past the 2 button system of controls, I was done.
X button Y button A button B button left and right trigger finger buttons, left and right front middle buttons and a joystick control all at the same time. Forget about it.
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
Donkey Kong on N64 was my all-time favorite. Once video games went past the 2 button system of controls, I was done.
Final Fantasy is pretty amazing and so is Zelda I will admit
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NBA Street is pretty awesome, if anyone's ever played that.
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
Donkey Kong on N64 was my all-time favorite. Once video games went past the 2 button system of controls, I was done.
X button Y button A button B button left and right trigger finger buttons, left and right front middle buttons and a joystick control all at the same time. Forget about it.
Yeah, these kids today don't know what it was like ::) to learn how to play on an atari. You got a joystick and one button. That was it.
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NBA street is pretty awesome, if anyone's ever played that.
Jermaine O'Neal was the bomb in that game!
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
Donkey Kong on N64 was my all-time favorite. Once video games went past the 2 button system of controls, I was done.
X button Y button A button B button left and right trigger finger buttons, left and right front middle buttons and a joystick control all at the same time. Forget about it.
And how do you feel about children on your lawn?
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Sofu check pm's please
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Since we are talking about video games the greatest sport game ever is NFL 2K5. That game was years ahead of every other sport game.
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I mean, sure when I was a teenager I played plenty of video games too.
I'll give it up to today's sports games (from what I've seen), but nothing can beat games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Zelda, Final Fantasy, etc.. Still don't think there was ever a better game than the original NBA Jam.
Donkey Kong on N64 was my all-time favorite. Once video games went past the 2 button system of controls, I was done.
X button Y button A button B button left and right trigger finger buttons, left and right front middle buttons and a joystick control all at the same time. Forget about it.
And how do you feel about children on your lawn?
Hold on while I take out my teeth and think on this.
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BTW guys, I bought an original Pong game back int he day so.......
Large white square dots slowly going across the black screen....now those were games!!!
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BTW guys, I bought an original Pong game back int he day so.......
Black and white square dots slowly going across the screen....now those were games!!!
Sounds invigorating!
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Since we are talking about video games the greatest sport game ever is NFL 2K5. That game was years ahead of every other sport game.
There is some fact here. Id agree and disagree. Up until that time (and for a few years after that), it was the greatest sports game ever. But NBA2k11, 12, 13, and probably 14 have usurped that title each year for the last 4, and somewhere in there NHL09 probably took the belt for a year.
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My east rankings
1. Atlanta
2. Indiana
3. Cleveland
4. Milwaukee
5.miami
6. Orlando
7. Boston
8. New York
9. Brooklyn
10. Chicago
11. Philly
12. Washington
13. Detroit
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My west rankings
1.minny
2. Portland
3. Okc
4. Denver
5. LAL
6. Houston
7. San Antonio
8. Memphis
9. Golden state
10. Dallas
11. Phoenix
12. LAC
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My west rankings
1.minny
2. Portland
3. Okc
4. Denver
5. LAL
6. Houston
7. San Antonio
8. Memphis
9. Golden state
10. Dallas
11. Phoenix
12. LAC
Dallas will be jumping just you wait
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My east rankings
1. Atlanta
2. Indiana
3. Cleveland
4. Milwaukee
5.miami
6. Orlando
7. Boston
8. New York
9. Brooklyn
10. Chicago
11. Philly
12. Washington
13. Detroit
A little biased are we? :o
Even with Durant/DWill, I'm not sure I can put them in the top 4 in the East. Not much else going for that roster.
I will agree that Atlanta is the team nobody is talking about, that is definitely going to need to be reckoned with.
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My west rankings
1.minny
2. Portland
3. Okc
4. Denver
5. LAL
6. Houston
7. San Antonio
8. Memphis
9. Golden state
10. Dallas
11. Phoenix
12. LAC
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Don't get it. You're over thinking this.
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My east rankings
1. Atlanta
2. Indiana
3. Cleveland
4. Milwaukee
5.miami
6. Orlando
7. Boston
8. New York
9. Brooklyn
10. Chicago
11. Philly
12. Washington
13. Detroit
A little biased are we? :o
Even with Durant/DWill, I'm not sure I can put them in the top 4 in the East. Not much else going for that roster.
I will agree that Atlanta is the team nobody is talking about, that is definitely going to need to be reckoned with.
Agreed on Atlanta.
Having to rely on Nene to anchor the middle terrifies me but the rest of that roster fits together very well with a solid bench.
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Sofu check pm's please
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
but did you create all the other rosters to see how you would actually do, or play against the real life rosters, with the exception of your team. im guessing the latter, which makes this bunk
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Just assembled my team on 2K and I dominated.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
but did you create all the other rosters to see how you would actually do, or play against the real life rosters, with the exception of your team. im guessing the latter, which makes this bunk
The first idea sounds like it could be really interesting
I have a project for tomorrow haha
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
Chris Bosh for Larry Sanders. Get it done guys...
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
Chris Bosh for Larry Sanders. Get it done guys...
You're adorable.
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I'm bored so send trade offers. My school's football game isn't until 10 pm... What a joke.
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
Chris Bosh for Larry Sanders. Get it done guys...
You're adorable.
I just threw up in my mouth.
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Send in your offers before Monday folks!
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
Chris Bosh for Larry Sanders. Get it done guys...
You're adorable.
I just threw up in my mouth.
Hmmm both sides hate it, so that must mean its fair, right? Lol
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Slow day...? Who wants to talk trades?
I do!
Chris Bosh for Larry Sanders. Get it done guys...
You're adorable.
I just threw up in my mouth.
Hmmm both sides hate it, so that must mean its fair, right? Lol
Youre right im in.
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PM me for trades if you want depth.
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Faried, Gortat, and Prince are the most movable, fwiw.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmCxtWrRQJ8
Butt.
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No trades? Laaaame
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No trades? Laaaame
The silence, hopefully, soon to be broken.
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No trades? Laaaame
Yup. Laaaame.
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Check PMs PJ....bad confirmation
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Pm me for trades before Monday!
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Check PMs PJ....bad confirmation
Dont know what happened but resent. Sorry. TP.
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TRADE
New York sends: Rajon Rondo, Andrea Bargnani, Moe Harkless
Golden State sends: Ray Felton, Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph
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Wow. Big trade.
I wonder if Lopez would be effective as a sixth man...
ZBo (32) / Sanders (16)
Sanders (16) / Lopez (32)
Props to NYK, though. I think they won this one.
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TRADE
New York sends: Rajon Rondo, Andrea Bargnani, Moe Harkless
Golden State sends: Ray Felton, Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph
Wow!
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Just don't understand this trade from the perspective of GSW. 3 starters for an injured and returning Rondo and two role playing bench players? Don't get it. new york did very well, IMHO.
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Just don't understand this trade from the perspective of GSW. 3 starters for an injured and returning Rondo and two role playing bench players? Don't get it. new york did very well, IMHO.
Definitely an overpay, but GSW did have ZBo as the 6th man, which wasn't going over well with critics.
Depth for an All-Star guard to go with LMA and Hibbert.
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Just don't understand this trade from the perspective of GSW. 3 starters for an injured and returning Rondo and two role playing bench players? Don't get it. new york did very well, IMHO.
I agree, but it's CB so everyone rates Rondo much higher than what he should be rated.
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Wow. Big trade.
I wonder if Lopez would be effective as a sixth man...
ZBo (32) / Sanders (16)
Sanders (16) / Lopez (32)
Props to NYK, though. I think they won this one.
Lopez should be starting. Sanders is perfect sixth man.
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Wow. Big trade.
I wonder if Lopez would be effective as a sixth man...
ZBo (32) / Sanders (16)
Sanders (16) / Lopez (32)
Props to NYK, though. I think they won this one.
Lopez should be starting. Sanders is perfect sixth man.
I personally like his defense setting the tone early. Although Lopez is widely known as a 1st quarter guy. It could go either way, but regardless, I think ZBo should start at PF, which is less of Sanders' natural position than it was for Aldridge over in GS.
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Just don't understand this trade from the perspective of GSW. 3 starters for an injured and returning Rondo and two role playing bench players? Don't get it. new york did very well, IMHO.
Definitely an overpay, but GSW did have ZBo as the 6th man, which wasn't going over well with critics.
Depth for an All-Star guard to go with LMA and Hibbert.
I would rather have the problem of explaining a starter as a 6th man than dealing with a massive hole at SF and explaining an injured player returning to past greatness.
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Just don't understand this trade from the perspective of GSW. 3 starters for an injured and returning Rondo and two role playing bench players? Don't get it. new york did very well, IMHO.
Definitely an overpay, but GSW did have ZBo as the 6th man, which wasn't going over well with critics.
Depth for an All-Star guard to go with LMA and Hibbert.
I would rather have the problem of explaining a starter as a 6th man than dealing with a massive hole at SF and explaining an injured player returning to past greatness.
Depth is a good problem to have
Better than trading 3 starters for an injured all star
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(http://historicphilippines.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/and-theyre-off.jpg)
Let the crazy reflexive trading begin!
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Taking offers on everyone send em in
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Anybody feel like talking trades?
Listening to all offers
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HURRY!
Carlos Delfino can be had for your first round pick! Send in your offers NOW!
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Lets just have an 8 way trade.
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Lets just have an 8 way trade.
As long as I get KD and Dwight ;D
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Feeling bored, bring on the trade ideas! Can Kobe be gotten for your 5th and 7th rounders? Only one way to find out!
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Feeling bored, bring on the trade ideas! Can Kobe be gotten for your 5th and 7th rounders? Only one way to find out!
I'm assuming it's this way?
(http://www.birminghambusinesslaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/magic_8ball_outlook_not_so_good.jpg)
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Round 2 coming up!
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Round 2 coming up!
If y'all think the first one was nice. Just wait to you see this one. I got my sources.
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Feeling bored, bring on the trade ideas! Can Kobe be gotten for your 5th and 7th rounders? Only one way to find out!
AK and Brandon knight for kobe ;)
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Guys, for serious, send your panicy trade ideas my way.
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Guys, for serious, send your panicy trade ideas my way.
In all seriousness, that guy you were asking me about, yeah, he's available.
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Feeling bored, bring on the trade ideas! Can Kobe be gotten for your 5th and 7th rounders? Only one way to find out!
AK and Brandon knight for kobe ;)
Who would start at the 2? Throw in Reggie Bullock or get outta town. :)
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Feeling bored, bring on the trade ideas! Can Kobe be gotten for your 5th and 7th rounders? Only one way to find out!
AK and Brandon knight for kobe ;)
Who would start at the 2? Throw in Reggie Bullock or get outta town. :)
Ooh that's a deal breaker
I mean with his unproven ability, he could be Ray Allen 2.0 with defence
Ya never know
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Is it me or does this seem like a lateral move? I can't tell who won this deal
I'm thinking New York
Hmmm
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Interesting follow up there.
Rubio is a better facilitator, and probably defender. Green is certainly a better defender, and probably a better shooter.
It looks even on its face, but I think New York got better.
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Rubio is a huge upgrade over Felton and I would rather have Green than Gay. New York is looking like the favorites out east now.
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I'd rather have Rubio at PG, I think.
Gay is a real talent at SF, but Green may be a better fit in the Knicks lineup. We already now how far a team led by Gay and ZBo can go.
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Lopez / Frye / Faverani
Sanders / Randolph
Green / Williams / Evans
Martin / Garcia
Rubio / Hinrich / Udrih
That's a very balanced team right there. They could use a bruiser defensively on their front line, but otherwise they're set, assuming you see Jeff Green as a shutdown wing.
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Lopez / Frye / Faverani
Sanders / Randolph
Green / Williams / Evans
Martin / Garcia
Rubio / Hinrich / Udrih
That's a very balanced team right there. They could use a bruiser defensively on their front line, but otherwise they're set, assuming you see Jeff Green as a shutdown wing.
This team just vaulted into serious contention IMO
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So gay a guy who has avg. 20ppg almost his whole career gets no love? And Felton a tested PG in the playoffs and absolutely torched the celtics best defender gets no love? Interesting
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NM.
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So gay a guy who has avg. 20ppg almost his whole career gets no love? And Felton a tested PG in the playoffs and absolutely torched the celtics best defender gets no love? Interesting
I like the Rudy edition to your team, but I think you'll get hammered for having him.
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And Gay avg. 1.5 spg and almost a block a game. Is very long and athletic and is a pretty decent defender
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Gay/Griffin would be very fun to watch dunking on everyone
Athletic as heck 3/4 combo
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Big win by NY. Wow.
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Well then. I thought by sitting pat I'd be a top 2 or 3 team in the east. NYK might have messed that up just now.
Well done by PJ with those two trades.
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Big win by NY. Wow.
really?!? i see it being somewhat even, but ultimately i think the clips got the best here.
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Big win by NY. Wow.
really?!? i see it being somewhat even, but ultimately i think the clips got the best here.
I agree thing is everyone probably just remember the games when Green had 30+ points. Also the are both 27, but people think Green still has tons of potential.
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Thanks for all the positive feedback guys! I am very very estatic with the work I have done today and am excited to introduce the new players to the squad.
I also think Wemadeit17 should get props. I feel the talent exchanged between us was fairly even, slight advantage to him IMO, but the players we each received fit better on our respective squads.
Hoping this put NYK into contention talks. With that being said. The phone lines are still open for wheelin' and dealin'. (Although I am going to relax a bit as I have been working on them all day!)
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Big win by NY. Wow.
really?!? i see it being somewhat even, but ultimately i think the clips got the best here.
I agree thing is everyone probably just remember the games when Green had 30+ points. Also the are both 27, but people think Green still has tons of potential.
green is inconsistent, while u know what u get with gay. imo, i think real life gm's would take gay over green in a second (based on pure game, not contract)
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TRADE
Los Angeles Clippers send: Ricky Rubio and Jeff Green
New York sendss: Rudy Gay and Raymond Felton
Big win by NY. Wow.
really?!? i see it being somewhat even, but ultimately i think the clips got the best here.
I agree thing is everyone probably just remember the games when Green had 30+ points. Also the are both 27, but people think Green still has tons of potential.
green is inconsistent, while u know what u get with gay. imo, i think real life gm's would take gay over green in a second (based on pure game, not contract)
I agree.
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New York making major improvements. I thought they were borderline for one of the last playoff spots in the East but now they very much look like a real contender to make it out of the East. Might be my favourite team in the East.
Golden State gave up a huge amount for Rondo. I think they just removed themselves from title contention. It's a shame. I really liked that squad. The mix of talent. How they would've worked together.
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
I agree. Gay to Green isn't that big a change, but Rubio is a big upgrade over Felton
Very good distributor
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
I think it's because they're the more high-profile players of the deal, and one of them is a Celtic.
But yes, I agree.
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New York
PG: Rubio, Udrih
SG: Kevin Martin, Hinrich
SF: J.Green, F.Garcia, J.Evans
PF: Z.Randolph, Derrick Williams, C.Frye
C: B.Lopez, L.Sanders, V.Faverani
Golden State
PG: Rondo, Lou Williams
SG: DeRozan, R.Jackson
SF: B.Rush, Draymond Green, M.Harkless
PF: Aldridge, E.Udoh
C: R.Hibbert, A.Bargnani, F.Ezeli
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
I think it's because they're the more high-profile players of the deal, and one of them is a Celtic.
But yes, I agree.
I!m pretty luke warm on rubio. I think it was a big step down from Rondo to him, but nyk needed a small forward and they got Zbo so he did well.
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
i think there is a bigger decrepency between gay and green, than there is on rubio and felton. not to mention felton had a solid year, while rubio came back from an injury
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Not sure why the fixation on the Green-Gay portion of the deal.
Upgrading from Felton to Rubio makes NY a lot better, IMO.
i think there is a bigger decrepency between gay and green, than there is on rubio and felton. not to mention felton had a solid year, while rubio came back from an injury
This.
Also Rubio's FG% is terrible.
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This.
Also Rubio's FG% is terrible.
Considering the wealth of offense from 2-5 on that team, NY could care less about Rubio's scoring. His playmaking will be an incredibly valuable asset to that team though.
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This.
Also Rubio's FG% is terrible.
Considering the wealth of offense from 2-5 on that team, NY could care less about Rubio's scoring. His playmaking will be an incredibly valuable asset to that team though.
Yeah, that's how I see it.
Rubio's playmaking combined with Green's better defense makes New York better overall.
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This.
Also Rubio's FG% is terrible.
Considering the wealth of offense from 2-5 on that team, NY could care less about Rubio's scoring. His playmaking will be an incredibly valuable asset to that team though.
Yeah, that's how I see it.
Rubio's playmaking combined with Green's better defense makes New York better overall.
I have no comment about their defense, but I will say that Gay is a poor, poor fit for LA. Why complement a super athletic forward without a perimeter game with another super athletic forward without a perimeter game? This also negatively affects Afflalo, who is not that great of a 3-point shooter when the floor spacing isn't there. Last season in Orlando, his 3FG% took a huge nose dive when he was tasked with creating his own shot as a more focal point of the offense. Furthermore, without many out-of-position playmakers on the team, I'm not sure how LA can afford to downgrade from Rubio to Felton.
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I honestly don't think either team won the trade by a lot. Maybe NY by a little.
Not sold on Jeff Green. Rubio is maybe an upgrade.
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I honestly don't think either team won the trade by a lot. Maybe NY by a little.
Not sold on Jeff Green. Rubio is maybe an upgrade.
That's where I'm at.
Bt I think a better way to look at it is. Rondo bargs harkless for rubio, green , zbo. That's a win.
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So LA essentially trades Derrick Rose and some draft picks for Raymond Felton and Rudy Gay?
The other LA team is sniffing around for some moves. Shoot me or rondoallaturca any ideas!
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I think people need to take a second and look at my trade. I traded a sixth man and a player who's never made an all-star game. I acquired an MVP caliber player who is a walking triple-double and is one of the few players to go head-to-head with LeBron James and triumph.
I understand the injury but look at medicine and look at athletes today like Robert Griffin and Adrian Peterson, and Rajon Rondo is in that caliber of athlete. I believe he will come back with a vengeance since no one has a bigger chip on their shoulder. Everyone is writing him off, and I think he's so competitive he will perform to shut ppl up.
I think the trade worked for both. Derozan and gay are almost the same player from a metric stand point. I think gay is more explosive and flashy but from a quality performance overall there similar.
I also believe in rondos ability to be like manning or Brady and make ppl better. He pretty much did that with the big three and he will do that with LA, Roy and the rest.
Okc got better with their front court in the east and I believe rondo makes me better considering I gave up one all star who was my sixth man and gained an MVP caliber difference maker who makes everyone better.
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Finally on a computer after a few days. Will be able to engage in more trade talks. PM me!
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
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I also believe in rondos ability to be like manning or Brady and make ppl better. He pretty much did that with the big three and he will do that with LA, Roy and the rest.
That's interesting. Im not saying it's wrong, but quite a few people would argue that it was the big 3 who made Rondo better.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
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Still taking offers
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I also believe in rondos ability to be like manning or Brady and make ppl better. He pretty much did that with the big three and he will do that with LA, Roy and the rest.
That's interesting. Im not saying it's wrong, but quite a few people would argue that it was the big 3 who made Rondo better.
Comparing our playoff run this year to last year I completely disagree.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
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I also believe in rondos ability to be like manning or Brady and make ppl better. He pretty much did that with the big three and he will do that with LA, Roy and the rest.
That's interesting. Im not saying it's wrong, but quite a few people would argue that it was the big 3 who made Rondo better.
Comparing our playoff run this year to last year I completely disagree.
Comparing our playoff run last year to 07-08 I completely disagree. Big 3 made Rondo better, also this year we were a mess with and without Rondo.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Kyrie could make a run at it as easily as Kobe, Melo, Dwight, or Westbrook. He needs a 50+ win team and 75 healthy games, but he's on the list. Espn has been pushing him as a dark horse.
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Also Harden.
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I also believe in rondos ability to be like manning or Brady and make ppl better. He pretty much did that with the big three and he will do that with LA, Roy and the rest.
That's interesting. Im not saying it's wrong, but quite a few people would argue that it was the big 3 who made Rondo better.
Comparing our playoff run this year to last year I completely disagree.
Comparing our playoff run last year to 07-08 I completely disagree. Big 3 made Rondo better, also this year we were a mess with and without Rondo.
Duh that's a 4-5 yr difference my man. I'm 26 and a lot different then I was at 22 or 21. Just like bball players are when they're 31 vs 35 or 36.
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Also Harden.
This man knows.
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How can you not like this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeREUYlO1Gk
Any of your players shoot 4 pointers? Only Jimmer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qsPLN6pTPA
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This.
Also Rubio's FG% is terrible.
Considering the wealth of offense from 2-5 on that team, NY could care less about Rubio's scoring. His playmaking will be an incredibly valuable asset to that team though.
Yeah, that's how I see it.
Rubio's playmaking combined with Green's better defense makes New York better overall.
This was the logic in me making the deal. I dont need Rubio to score just facilitate the offense and get the ball to the open man, two things he is miles better than Felton at.
Also. I needed a player that has been proven to slow down the Lebrons, Durants, Georges etc. Green does that much more so than Gay. Green could score 12 points a game for me and it would still overall help me better than Gay would. Just because Gay can score 18 points a game doesnt mean he is a good fit for a team. Green and Rubio fit with the rest of my squad perfectly.
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Still looking to make some moves
Send your offers in people
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In all seriousness. What's up with the derozan hate? Guy was 17th in the NBA in scoring. He was .1 ppg less then Rudy gay and shoots a better fg %.
He averaged more points then Blake griffin, Paul George, cp3, Dwight Howard, joe Johnson and Chris bosh. He did that without playing next to an all star. He's now playing with rajon rondo and playing off Aldridge...
I don't get the hate on a kid who is only 24 and a 6'7" athletic scorer. Rondo will do wonders with him. I just don't get it... Is it bc he's not good at threes? Bc he can score every other way.
I mean he's a top 20 scorer playing with Rudy gay and Kyle Lowry as his best teammates.
Link to top scorers:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/year/2013/seasontype/2
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All you night owl's, lets do something crazy and make a 3 team trade. Spice things up a bit.
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All you night owl's, lets do something crazy and make a 3 team trade. Spice things up a bit.
Lunchtime where I'm at ;D
I will take advantage of all you droopy eyed gm's
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All you night owl's, lets do something crazy and make a 3 team trade. Spice things up a bit.
Lunchtime where I'm at ;D
I will take advantage of all you droopy eyed gm's
I'm all ears.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
Rondo does have buckets of talent, but he is inconsistent.
The whole playoff rondo thing irks me because he shows that he can dominate and yet he doesn't during the regular season. If he could put the effort in the regular season that he does in the playoffs I think he would be more commonly recognised.
During the 11-12 playoffs rondo killed it
17 points, 12 assists, nearly 7 rebounds and 2.4 steals a game
Those numbers are pretty insane for a 6'1" 170 pound ish point guard
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
No. Rondo is not as good as Parker and everyone outside of CB would agree.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
No. Rondo is not as good as Parker and everyone outside of CB would agree.
I think a lot of people on CB would agree too
Parker is MVP material
Although I defend rondo he isn't on parker's level
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
Kane, I think your point about rondo's playoff performances is true but its not necessarily a measure of MVP stature. Personally if the celts are in the playoffs I wouldnt be surprised if Rondo outplayed any player in the NBA over the course of a 7 game series other than Lebron. But part of that is the fact that rondo turns it on and off. If Rondo played a whole season at that level then he would be an mvp player.
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But part of that is the fact that rondo turns it on and off. If Rondo played a whole season at that level then he would be an mvp player.
Exactly, TP
If he put in a consistent effort he would be amazing
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But part of that is the fact that rondo turns it on and off. If Rondo played a whole season at that level then he would be an mvp player.
Exactly, TP
If he put in a consistent effort he would be amazing
I honestly don't know if its effort or what but its clear that Rondo is very good for most games and flat out amazing in some games, and those games usually happen to be on national TV
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But part of that is the fact that rondo turns it on and off. If Rondo played a whole season at that level then he would be an mvp player.
Exactly, TP
If he put in a consistent effort he would be amazing
I honestly don't know if its effort or what but its clear that Rondo is very good for most games and flat out amazing in some games, and those games usually happen to be on national TV
Coincidence? I think not
Just kidding, I'm not sure if it's a matter of effort or if he just isn't a consistent basketball player, but if he could constantly play at playoff level and have the odd 40 point game with triple doubles being a common occurrence I would be very happy with him, not sure how many people would want to trade him then
Though I'm sure some celtics fans would find a flaw in his game
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Rondo isn't as good as Parker? What has melo done compared to rajon? Rondo has outperformed both Howard and melo in the playoffs. He's done it against James. He's a bad man!
Led the league in triple doubles while playing like half a season. Dude is a legit freak and stud.
I think the fact that Rondo only plays top flight ball in the postseason is what irks most. During that time, you could argue Rondo rains down on "MVPs" and is one of the top 5 players in the entire league. Personally, I have no problem with that, because ultimately the postseason is what matters. However, MVPs are expected to lead their team all 82 games plus the playoffs. When compared to some of the names thrown out, Rondo definitely doesn't compare.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
Fitz whyyyyyyyyy
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Miami is in the chat.
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Miami is in the chat.
Don't fall for it guys.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
Wow Miami got a heck of a deal esp. knowing that Tony was drafted #6.
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I am now owed free agent signings from Miami and Golden State to reach the minimum roster limit of 13 players. You have about 26 hours to get to done.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
A pretty good return for Tony Parker, I think.
Smith joins AK47 and Big Al on the new Mavs frontline?
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Miami selects, Anthony Morrow.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
A pretty good return for Tony Parker, I think.
Smith joins AK47 and Big Al on the new Mavs frontline?
No lip service, I thought the trade was really fair.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
I don't like that for Dallas. I don't think they needed a player like Josh Smith on their frontline.
Very similar type of forward to AK-47 who was already on their books. Too much duplication there for me. Dallas already had Big Al and Enes Kanter as starting bigs plus the Mavs had Chris Kaman and Tyler Hansbrough as backup bigs. I don't see a need for Josh Smith. Not one large enough to be worth sacrificing such a pivotal player as Tony Parker for.
Not sure what to think about Miami yet. I loved the Josh Smith + Chris Bosh combination. Not sure what their other bigs are like.
Edit: Darrell Arthur and Sammy Dalembert. Miami's backup bigs. I don't like either one of them as a starting big man. Maybe Chander Parsons as a stretch four. Go small. Only John Salmons, Alexey Shved and Omri Casspi as options on the wing. Don't like that either. I think Miami needs another trade to bring in a starting forward to complete their new look starting unit.
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Miami selects, Anthony Morrow.
G: Tony Parker
G: Anthony Morrow
F: Gordon Hayward
F: Chandler Parsons
C: Chris Bosh
I would start that lineup but I think that could be Miami's main lineup for finishing games. Darrell Arthur in there otherwise (instead of Morrow) when they need more size on the wing or at big forward.
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BLOCKBUSTER
Dallas sends: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine
Miami sends: Steve Nash, Josh Smith and Gary Neal
A pretty good return for Tony Parker, I think.
Smith joins AK47 and Big Al on the new Mavs frontline?
No lip service, I thought the trade was really fair.
I agree with that. It's a very fair trade.
Parker to Nash is a downgrade, obviously, but being able to play Josh Smith next to Big Al will pay big dividends. The trade probably brings better spacing and better ball movement to Dallas' offense, which can now be centered around Big Al. I kind of like it; it's like the old Phoenix days, with Big Al and Josh Smith combining to play a quasi-Amare/Marion role. The combination of Smith + Kirilenko will absolutely stifle teams up front. I love Gary Neal as a role player, too.
For Miami, they gave up a lot of depth, but Tony Parker is a pretty elite player, obviously. I worry about them getting muscled inside, though.
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I don't think the trade is that bad for me tbh
Nash and Gordon could be formidable, Gordon getting looks like never before
And my front court trio of AK/Smith/Al is pretty dangerous on either end
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Fairly even overall trade that I think with a different free agent signing could have made it better for Miami. Don't understand not going bigger in the free agent signing given Miami gave up their starting PF.
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So, can I still cut a player and acquire one via free agency? I looked at the board and I could certainly use some of them over J-Rich.
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So, can I still cut a player and acquire one via free agency? I looked at the board and I could certainly use some of them over J-Rich.
no
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Still up for making some moves here and there. Rather not move Lawson, Horford, and Garnett though. Hit me up, I'll be here.
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Still more trades coming out of Miami.
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Still more trades coming out of Miami.
Wheeling&Dealing.
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Still more trades coming out of Miami.
Wheeling&Dealing.
Truf.
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Ughh, already too much homework...would much rather be talking trades in my fantasy basketball league.
Send me offers as I'll be on the computer for awhile.
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Still more trades coming out of Miami.
Looking forward to seeing how you adjust the roster, and fill in around Bosh/Chandler/Parker.
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Who has a big three better then rondo, Aldridge, and hibbert?
Best interior defender in hibbert. Just ask Lebron and melo.
Triple double phenom in rajon who is an assist killer.
Aldridge one of the best and most versatile bigs alive.
With a top 20 athletic freak scorer in derozan as a fourth option?!
And bargs as a 7 foot three point bomber off the bench who averaged 20 a game and is no longer asked to be a leader.
And the 2011-12 sixth man of the year in Lou Williams.
Golden state is too raw. I look forward to presenting my case against all the hate and venom you'll throw my way ;)
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Who has a big three better then rondo, Aldridge, and hibbert?
With a top 20 athletic freak scorer in derozan as a fourth option?!
And bargs as a 7 foot three point bomber off the bench who averaged 20 a game and is no longer asked to be a leader.
And the 2011-12 sixth man of the year in Lou Williams.
Golden state is too raw. I look forward to presenting my case against all the hate and venom you'll throw my way ;-)
Nearly as good a big 3 in Lawson (worse than Rondo), Horford (as good as Aldridge), and Garnett (better than Hibbert)
I'll give you Derozan, but we do have one of the most efficient big man scorers in the entire league in Landry, and the "real" 2013 6MOY in Jamal Crawford. Oh, and arguably the best wing defender besides Lebron in the NBA.
Jussayin'.
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Who has a big three better then rondo, Aldridge, and hibbert?
Best interior defender in hibbert. Just ask Lebron and melo.
Triple double phenom in rajon who is an assist killer.
Aldridge one of the best and most versatile bigs alive.
With a top 20 athletic freak scorer in derozan as a fourth option?!
And bargs as a 7 foot three point bomber off the bench who averaged 20 a game and is no longer asked to be a leader.
And the 2011-12 sixth man of the year in Lou Williams.
Golden state is too raw. I look forward to presenting my case against all the hate and venom you'll throw my way ;)
While hibbert and gasol are nearly equals. Aldridge is presently dirks equal on offense and destroys on defense. Rondo simply dominates Lawson. It's not even close. Lawson will never be the best player on a finals team.
Put the salt away
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Who has a big three better then rondo, Aldridge, and hibbert?
Best interior defender in hibbert. Just ask Lebron and melo.
Triple double phenom in rajon who is an assist killer.
Aldridge one of the best and most versatile bigs alive.
With a top 20 athletic freak scorer in derozan as a fourth option?!
And bargs as a 7 foot three point bomber off the bench who averaged 20 a game and is no longer asked to be a leader.
And the 2011-12 sixth man of the year in Lou Williams.
Golden state is too raw. I look forward to presenting my case against all the hate and venom you'll throw my way ;)
While hibbert and gasol are nearly equals. Aldridge is presently dirks equal on offense and destroys on defense. Rondo simply dominates Lawson. It's not even close. Lawson will never be the best player on a finals team.
Put the salt away
I wouldn't call Hibbert and Gasol nearly equals. Gasol is better. But that's beside the point. I have KG and Horford, not Gasol and Dirk. KG is just as good if not better than Hibbert defensively and better offensively. Horford is nearly as good as Aldridge offensively and better defensively.
And yeah, Rondo's better than Lawson, I already said that. But there are still a ton of question makes for Rondo (will he ever return to his pre-injury form, did the big 3 make him better or vice versa? and so on) while you know exactly what Lawson is: a dynamic scorer and strong facilitator. He was the best scorer on a playoff team.
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Marc Gasol is light years better than Roy Hibbert. Not close.
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Rewatch the playoffs fellas
Dude was trippin on the contract and the expectations that came with it. He put too much pressure on himself. It happens. Look at lebron in 2011. Once he settled down he inhaled two all stars in chandler and bosh in seperate 7 game series. Stats and facts speak for themselves.
There IS NOT a greater test of Mano y Mano then a 7 game series!
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TRADE
Boston sends: Tiago Splitter, Lance Stephenson
Miami Sends: Gordon Hayward, Darrell Arthur
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TRADE
Boston sends: Tiago Splitter, Lance Stephenson
Miami Sends: Gordon Hayward, Darrell Arthur
I'm not sure why Boston would do this.
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Who has a big three better then rondo, Aldridge, and hibbert?
Best interior defender in hibbert. Just ask Lebron and melo.
Triple double phenom in rajon who is an assist killer.
Aldridge one of the best and most versatile bigs alive.
With a top 20 athletic freak scorer in derozan as a fourth option?!
And bargs as a 7 foot three point bomber off the bench who averaged 20 a game and is no longer asked to be a leader.
And the 2011-12 sixth man of the year in Lou Williams.
Golden state is too raw. I look forward to presenting my case against all the hate and venom you'll throw my way ;)
Indeed you got a very talented big three, but they can be contained, especially with Denver's bench. Lowry, Lee and Lillard will take turns on Rondo while he's the only guy who would try to contain both PG's the entire game. Aldridge vs Andy, Hibbert vs Monroe, Bogut vs Bargs, Speights vs Udoh? I like Denver's chances. And DeRozan, please, we'll let him shoot threes. BTW, how will he defend Wilson Chandler and Martell Webster.
(I'm not going to say a thing about Brandon Rush though, I love him).
They can be contained, And at some point the Big Three will need their breather or they'll be gassed out come fourth quarter (especially in Denver and the thin air. Thanks TWW), while my team stays fresh because of the tremendous depth we can afford to keep give the starters some extra blows. All that is happening while Denver's second unit will run rough shot againts GSW's, With Burks, Lowry and Webster lighting up the scoreboard and Bogut, Lowry and Webster containing everyone defensively.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Tiago Splitter, Lance Stephenson
Miami Sends: Gordon Hayward, Darrell Arthur
I'm not sure why Boston would do this.
Because Hayward is an upgrade over Stephenson in the starting lineup, at the cost of a backup big?
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I see u Miami
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I see u Miami
Sup?
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Thoughts on the new starting line up?
Tony Parker
Lance Stephenson
Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh
Tiago Splitter
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Thoughts on the new starting line up?
Tony Parker
Lance Stephenson
Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh
Tiago Splitter
Very solid team. I'm a fan of what you have done.
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Thoughts on the new starting line up?
Tony Parker
Lance Stephenson
Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh
Tiago Splitter
Is it Bosh/Seraphin and Splitter/Dalembert as the bigs?
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Thoughts on the new starting line up?
Tony Parker
Lance Stephenson
Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh
Tiago Splitter
That's a tough team right there. Love that Bosh is in his natural PF position.
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Taking offers on Faried and Prince.
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Looking to move ne of my 3 back up pgs for help on the wing.
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TRADE
Boston sends: Tiago Splitter, Lance Stephenson
Miami Sends: Gordon Hayward, Darrell Arthur
I'm not sure why Boston would do this.
Because Hayward is an upgrade over Stephenson in the starting lineup, at the cost of a backup big?
Indeed sir. Tiago Splitter: good player, I wasn't really sold on him anymore on being able to play the 4. Needed a good backup 4 (Denver thought enough of Arthur to move Kosta Koufos to Memphis to get him). But to a larger part, I've thought for a really long time that my biggest weakness was my wings. Gallo's out for a month or two to start the season, I needed more proven production out of my 2 and 3.
Hayward is probably the 2nd or 3rd most promising 2 guard in the league, behind Harden and depending on your preference and feelings about small sample sizes, Beal. He shot 44% from 3 after the all-star break, he was the Jazz's most efficient starter, and he's only going to get better next season. Plus he can play the 2 or 3 if need be. He's a gifted passer and a good defender (limited both 2s and 3s to below average production, while putting in above average numbers himself).
Mademy team much more dangerous offensively, playing more to Kyrie's strengths, and probably helped me defensively by giving me a viable stopper at the 4 in Arthur.
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Riah check Pm's
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Riah check Pm's
somebody is gunning for a SF ;)
he has been away for the weekend though
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...and probably helped me defensively by giving me a viable stopper at the 4 in Arthur.
It's interesting, a lot of analysis of Arthur calls him an elite defender, but the numbers don't really show that. He ranked 342nd in points allowed per possession, which is really bad (especially when a lot of the guys he's defending aren't taking three pointers). His opponents' PER wasn't anything special (with opponents outscoring and outrebounding Arthur, and shooting an eFG% of .510 against him at PF). His "defensive rating" is okay, but that can be largely a by-product of playing on a very good defense.
So, what gives? Is the reputation undeserved, or is something causing the numbers to skew?
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...and probably helped me defensively by giving me a viable stopper at the 4 in Arthur.
It's interesting, a lot of analysis of Arthur calls him an elite defender, but the numbers don't really show that. He ranked 342nd in points allowed per possession, which is really bad (especially when a lot of the guys he's defending aren't taking three pointers). His opponents' PER wasn't anything special (with opponents outscoring and outrebounding Arthur, and shooting an eFG% of .510 against him at PF). His "defensive rating" is okay, but that can be largely a by-product of playing on a very good defense.
So, what gives? Is the reputation undeserved, or is something causing the numbers to skew?
His team defense is very good. Very quick with size and length. Active player.
His man to man defense is dodgy ... especially against big man with legitimate size at the PF position. Can get out-muscled fairly easily. Guys like Z-Bo or Pau Gasol would tear D.Arthur apart. Most effective in man-to-man matchups against perimeter based PFs or PFs who rely on their quickness.
Obviously that leaves him quite vulnerable on switches against bigger opponents at the C position but also means he is well-equipped in switches against perimeter players (SF, SG, PG). Best used alongside a shot-blocking center preferably with bulk.
Not strong enough as a defender (or rebounder) to be a starting caliber player but useful as a backup PF especially when matching up against quicker lineups + floor stretching bigs. Keeps that size/length on the floor. His defensive quickness allows his team to stay big against small quick lineups.
Definitely not an elite defender but he is a plus on the defensive end when used correctly as a backup PF. Can become a liability if used incorrectly.
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Thoughts on the new starting line up?
Tony Parker
Lance Stephenson
Chandler Parsons
Chris Bosh
Tiago Splitter
Is it Bosh/Seraphin and Splitter/Dalembert as the bigs?
Sorry I missed this Lucky. Yes it is with Dalembert getting most of the back up big minutes next to both Bosh and Splitter.
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Surprised at the lack of chatter with today being the last day to make any moves..
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Kyrie could make a run at it as easily as Kobe, Melo, Dwight, or Westbrook. He needs a 50+ win team and 75 healthy games,
By that logic so could his teammate Bynum.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Kyrie could make a run at it as easily as Kobe, Melo, Dwight, or Westbrook. He needs a 50+ win team and 75 healthy games,
By that logic so could his teammate Bynum.
Not, that's incorrect. Andrew Bynum is never a MVP candidate.
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Rondo is not a MVP caliber player.
Disagree. Where's BballTim?!
Off the top of my head I'd say these are the only MVP caliber players
LeBron
Durant
Kobe
Paul
Parker
Melo
Dwight
Maybe even Rose and Westbrook.
Kyrie could make a run at it as easily as Kobe, Melo, Dwight, or Westbrook. He needs a 50+ win team and 75 healthy games,
By that logic so could his teammate Bynum.
Not, that's incorrect. Andrew Bynum is never a MVP candidate.
Because he's always injured and has never been the man on a 50 win team. Sounds a little like...
I'm sorry, I'd like to keep this discussion going, but there appear to be some billy goats walking over my bridge.
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Any traaaades?
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Any traaaades?
It sounds like everything depends upon riah.
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Any traaaades?
It sounds like everything depends upon riah.
Well thats no fun!
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still willing to talk trades with anyone
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Kyrie Irving has a long way to go before being thrown into the discussion as possible MVP candidates. He might want to actually play more than 59 games in a season or be on a team that wins more than 24 games in a season. He is a fantastic player with skills and I love him and his game but he is nowhere close to being an MVP candidate. He is like Kevin Love or John Wall or Anthony Davis or players of that ilk.....excellent players but until they can vault their team past mediocrity, they are not MVP candidates, IMHO.
BTW this doesn't mean that I don't think Irving couldn't be an MVP caliber player years from now when his defense has improved and he is leading teams to excellent records and the playoffs. I just think he isn't in that discussion right now.
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The golden state warriors select Anthony rollover as their free agent.
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STATEMENT
Rosters freeze at 8:00PM EST so check out your rosters on the front page and make sure they are correct. Also, as long as I get confirmations for trades in from both GMs before the deadline, I will still process and approve the trade, even if it is after the deadline.
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Have all teams that had eligible FA slots signed them?
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Have all teams that had eligible FA slots signed them?
Yes, Kane's pick was the last
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There are some guys still out there that I'm really quite surprised to see still available.
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There are some guys still out there that I'm really quite surprised to see still available.
I see a few players out there in FA, but nothing too noteworthy.
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Celtic fan forever, check PM's
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I've been checking my pms and there's been nothing. Y'all are mean.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
Trade helps me out 2
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
Trade helps me out 2
It was pretty even IMO
He needed a center and I wanted a better fit next to Smith
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Great deal for Portland.
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I really like the move for both teams.
Dallas gets what I think is one of the top 4 SFs in the league but Portland already had one of the top 3 top SFs in the league on their roster. Dallas gets rid of a redundant piece in Kirilenko but with Kanter and Kirilenko starting Portland has a more well balanced starting line up, mitigates the problem of Bynum's injury and brings him off the bench or starts him if he is healthy and playing well. Kirilenko is a top notch defensive PF that gives the Trailblazers a nice back line defense given the offense coming from the wings and PG position. Dallas meanwhile gets a very complimentary piece to plug in at SF, their weakest area.
Really well done, win win trade for both sides.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Great deal for Portland.
You must love Kanter.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
Trade helps me out 2
Riahhh I sent you like 5 PM's! Poop head
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
Trade helps me out 2
yeah I think Jennings fits real well in that new lineup with JJ at the 2 Melo at the 3, AK at the 4 and Kanter at center. And now you can argue Bynum coming back healthy without it seriously jeopardizing the overall quality of the team. Now if Bynum comes back healthy it propels you to high level contender status.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Great deal for Portland.
You must love Kanter.
Well, I don't really like Deng on that roster. I think Deng (SF) is considerably better than Kirilenko (SF) but not on that Portland roster because Deng will be playing a lot of PF minutes. And as a PF, I don't think Deng adds much more than Kirilenko does. I think they are fairly equal as players there.
So from there, Kanter is a huge get. Free money. Everything he brings to the table is a bonus over what they would've got from Deng. And Kanter will have a big role there with A.Bynum's injury problems. He'll contribute a lot.
So I think Portland improved themselves a lot with this deal.
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Nobody's mentioning the crucial Byron Mullens ???
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Am I the only one who thinks AK47 at the 4 isn't a good idea?
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Am I the only one who thinks AK47 at the 4 isn't a good idea?
Does it matter in Portland. With AK47 and Carmelo Anthony, either way the Blazers are going to have someone outquicking and performing well on bigger PFs and on defense, AK can guard perimeter 4's or larger 4s and Melo will grab the SFs. If the matchup defensively at the 3 isn't great for Carmelo and the opposition has a low quality offensive PF on the floor, Melo can guard him and AK can guard the SF.
I'm not sure the label of 3 or 4 will matter in Portland.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Great deal for Portland.s
You must love Kanter.
Pretty even trade for both teams but I agree Portland wins this one. Getting rid of Mullens is a great move and AK is slightly more valueable than Deng.
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PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
What do y'all think?
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AK is slightly more valueable than Deng.
I think it's a very even trade, but I disagree strongly with the above. Deng is the best player in the deal, and is a much better fit for Dallas.
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PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
What do y'all think?
I think that you've put together a very, very good squad. It's like Nash's Phoenix teams, accept with better defense.
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PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
What do y'all think?
I think that you've put together a very, very good squad. It's like Nash's Phoenix teams, accept with better defense.
Thanks a lot Roy
I am very happy with the squad
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Yeah, I really like that deal for Dallas. I'd hoped to get Deng from Portland, but didn't have the big man that riah wanted.
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Gotta be a fair trade if people who's opinions on basketball I know and respect greatly are coming out on both sides of the deal.
Like I said earlier, win win.
I think Deng is the best player in the deal but I think Portland might have helped their overall team and ability to debate one on one playoff match ups more with this deal.
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AK is slightly more valueable than Deng.
I think it's a very even trade, but I disagree strongly with the above. Deng is the best player in the deal, and is a much better fit for Dallas.
I just see AK being more versatile all around as opposed to Deng. AK does more things above average than Deng. Deng is definitely a better defender and probably a better scorer. I just think AK's skill set covers more ground across the board in an above average way.
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TRADE
Portland sends: Luol Deng, Byron Mullens
Dallas sends: Enes Kanter, Andrei Kirilenko
Fitzy making a monster in Dallas.
I did say back when someone ranked me 10th in the west that I would rise ;D
Trade helps me out 2
Absolutely it does. I love this trade for both teams (as you know).
You get a starting center, and a guy in AK47 who arguably works just as well with Deng in your lineup. In fact, Kirilenko might work better, because he can muscle up with bigger PFs, something that Deng isn't as good with.
I think you probably "won" the trade in terms of talent, but you guys are both big, big winners in terms of fit.
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Guys. One hour left to help my team get better!
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Send in your final offers guy.
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With one hour left, I want to compliment all of the GMs.
Traditionally, the late stages of the draft are when GMs go crazy, and sometimes blow up their teams in a panicky fashion. You see teams constantly go from contenders to pretenders, and very rarely in reverse of that.
This year, I've been really impressed by the quality of the post-drafting trades. There have been a lot of win-win deals put together, where teams have worked the phones to find trading partners that have fit well.
Among the really smart deals that worked out for the best of both teams were the Tony Parker for Nash + Smith deal, the Deng for AK47 + Kanter deal, and the Splitter for Hayward deal.
As an outside observer, I really like seeing the playoffs start with so many strong, well put together squads. It makes ranking and voting for teams a lot harder, which is a good dilemma to have.
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53 minutes. Send in offers!
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With one hour left, I want to compliment all of the GMs.
Traditionally, the late stages of the draft are when GMs go crazy, and sometimes blow up their teams in a panicky fashion. You see teams constantly go from contenders to pretenders, and very rarely in reverse of that.
This year, I've been really impressed by the quality of the post-drafting trades. There have been a lot of win-win deals put together, where teams have worked the phones to find trading partners that have fit well.
Among the really smart deals that worked out for the best of both teams were the Tony Parker for Nash + Smith deal, the Deng for AK47 + Kanter deal, and the Splitter for Hayward deal.
As an outside observer, I really like seeing the playoffs start with so many strong, well put together squads. It makes ranking and voting for teams a lot harder, which is a good dilemma to have.
GUYS! THERE'S STILL TIME TO DISAPPOINT ROY! WE CAN DO IT!
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GUYS! THERE'S STILL TIME TO DISAPPOINT ROY! WE CAN DO IT!
Calderon and Davis for Parker and Bosh. Make it happen.
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And let me offer this. Hats off to all the GMs for creating an absolutely fabulous playing atmosphere this year. No blow outs or fights. Limited anger or taking criticisms of your teams personally, genuine great advise for fellow competitors, and just a very amiable environment overall.
You made my job very easy. Thank you all.
Oh, and let's keep it that way during the playoffs. Remember people are not attacking you personally by being critical of your team, they are simply stating their opinion. They are not making it personal so don't take it personal.
Also, I expect, because of parity, to see some wildly divergent rankings. Take that into consideration when you see someone putting you out of the playoffs while others rank you highly. The team are just that close this year.
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GUYS! THERE'S STILL TIME TO DISAPPOINT ROY! WE CAN DO IT!
Calderon and Davis for Parker and Bosh. Make it happen.
Bosh and splitter for marc and dirk.
See, at least I offer an All star.
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35 minutes, phones should be raaaanging off the hook folks.
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35 minutes, phones should be raaaanging off the hook folks.
I just think most desired trades have been explored and obviously didn't lead anywhere, so you're unlikely to have a last second idea.
Of course somebody will surprise me with a blockbuster 5 mins out from the deadline...
That being said, I'm still listening to any and all offers ;)
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Here for last-second talks, but if you ain't offering a better starting SF, we probably ain't interested.
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35 minutes, phones should be raaaanging off the hook folks.
I just think most desired trades have been explored and obviously didn't lead anywhere, so you're unlikely to have a last second idea.
Of course somebody will surprise me with a blockbuster 5 mins out from the deadline...
That being said, I'm still listening to any and all offers ;)
Co-sign, including the "I'm still listening" part.
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STATEMENT REPOST
Reposting this from the Draft Interest Thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67145.msg1535437#msg1535437
The Draft Lottery is the morning of Friday August 16th. I will post the draft thread with the big board and schedule of all rounds, shortly thereafter. The first four posts will be for a list of all teams and their GMs, the big board, a list of all players that played in the league last year and players that were drafted as well as as many undrafted rookies that have been invited to camps as I can find, and a trade transaction post. I will attempt to keep these the big board and the players list and trade transaction list as up to date as possible and hopefully have it completed by midnight each night at the latest.
Know that getting trades approved by me between the hours of midnight and 7:00AM probably isn't going to happen. So plan accordingly or be patient.
Trading negotiations can begin immediately after and each team is allowed just one trade before the draft commences. Thereafter, bring them on but know you can only have one, unapproved trade request into the commissioner's office at a time.
The Draft commences at 11:00AM on Monday August 18th. That week is one round per day.
That weekend commences the Coach's Round of the draft. Beginning right after the draft ends on Friday August 22nd teams will be able to select their head coaches. One coach per team, no assistants. No time limit. Just select your coach and then send a PM to the next GM in line to select stating that you have made your selection and it is now their turn to select their coach. This finishes wherever it finishes but must be completed before rosters need to be submitted.
On Monday August 26th the draft resumes with four days of two rounds per day where times between picks are cut from 10 minutes to 5 minutes. For those not doing the math that equals 13 rounds of drafting total.
Rosters are maxed at 15 players but must have a minimum of 13 players. Any teams under 13 players will have a free agency period starting at 6:00PM Thursday August 22nd. Those teams under 13 players will get to sign any player not chosen. Those teams can sign one player during each 24hr period after 6:00PM Thursday August 22nd until they hit the 13 player minimum.(A 24 hour period is 6:00PM Thursday until 5:59:59PM Friday not 24 hours between picks)
You may not have more than 15 players on your roster and there is no stashing players overseas. If you draft a player that plays overseas, he is on your roster but he will not be considered playing for you during the voting period. If you have 15 players and still own draft picks, sell them for TPs.
Trades can be made up until the deadline but know the deadline is the Labor Day holiday, Monday Sept 2nd at 8:00 PM. I will make every attempt to be around to approve trades that final weekend but even I have a life, so if I can not get all trades approved that weekend in a timely manner, apologies ahead of time.
Pressers will begin Tuesday Sept 3rd with the Atlantic and Pacific divisions. Wednesday Sept 4th will be the Central and Northwest divisions and Thursday Sept 5th will be pressers for the Southeast and Southwest divisions.
Voting for regular season results and playoff seeding will take place on Friday Sept 6th. First round of the playoffs will occur on Monday Sept 9th. Conference semifinals will happen on Tuesday Sept. 10th. Conference Finals to be done on Wednesday Sept. 11th and the Finals on Thursday Sept. 12th. Other awards will be held during playoff week and those times are to be determined.
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So starting tonight at 6:00PM EST if you have less than 13 players you may sign any player not chosen that is still available. If you have just 11 players, you may signed one player in the 24 hour period starting at 6:00PM tonight and ending at 5:59PM tomorrow night and then sign another player starting at 6:00PM tomorrow night. I am not sure this even applies but just in case.
If you already have 13 players, you do not get to participate in free agency.
Rosters will be frozen on Monday Sept 1 at 8:00 PM EST. Any trades confirmed by both parties that are into the commissioners office prior to that time that have not been processed will be processed retroactively. No trades will occur after that time.
The Pressers dates and voting dates above are firm so be ready to participate. If you do not, at the very least, submit a depth chart in the pressers, your team will not be eligible for the playoffs.
All votes will be PMed to me. I will create a public spreadsheet to go public with the voting results that detail each vote and the final results.
Its a holiday weekend people so plan accordingly and get your pressers ready and final trades completed.
I will be creating presser threads tomorrow and locking them. If you want to insert your presser ahead of time, PM me, I will open it and you can post your presser. THERE WILL BE NO POSTING IN PRESSERS UNTIL EACH OF THE 5 TEAMS FROM EACH DIVISION HAS POSTED THEIR PRESSER FIRST OR UNTIL 12:00 NOON EST OF THE DAY OF THE PRESSER. IF YOU SEE A PRESSER OPEN BEFORE THE DATE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN, IT IS BECAUSE A GM IS WORKING WITHIN IT. SO PLEASE DO NOT POST IN IT.
Once a presser thread opens on the designated sate, questions will be asked of each GM from everyone or anyone. GMs are expected to answer questions as they see fit. If they want to give details, they can. If they want to go Belichickian on you(without the snarkiness that is Bill Belichick) they can do that as well. It is all up to the GM. I only ask that the GMs make an effort to be at their pressers at some time and field questions. Please, follow the rules of the blog and follow the rules of debate set forth in this thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67351.0
We have had a great environment so far, let's keep it that way. Have a great holiday everyone!!!
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STATEMENT
The "How's My CB Draft Team Look" thread and the "CB Draft Trading Block" thread will be locked at 8:00 PM EST tonight. All conversing regarding teams will take place in this thread until pressers are open tomorrow.
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Looking to trade Robinson or Vasquez pm me with your best offers! 8)
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BLOCKBUSTER
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Two minutes to make any last offer!
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Anybody get in under the wire?
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Anybody get in under the wire?
I did.
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TRADE
Golden State sends Moe Harkless
Orlando trades Jason Thompson.
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My rankings, headed into press conferences:
Eastern Conference
1. New York
2. Atlanta
3. Miami
4. Cleveland
5. Indiana
6. Orlando
7. Boston
8. Washington
9. Chicago
10. Milwaukee
11. Brooklyn
12. Detroit
13. Philadelphia
Western Conference
1. Dallas
2. Houston
3. Portland
4. Oklahoma City
5. Minnesota
6. Golden State
7. LA Lakers
8. San Antonio
9. LA Clippers
10. Denver
11. Memphis
12. Phoenix
The West was really hard, as I saw arguments for eleven teams to make the playoffs (sorry, Phoenix). The East was a *bit* easier, but 5th through around 10th are all pretty interchangeable.
These are regular season only. Some teams I think are going to be much better in the playoffs (among them, Cleveland and Orlando).
Also, these rankings could change wildly after press conferences.
EDIT: I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around a Tim Duncan team finishing last in the conference. I'm going to have to re-evaluate.
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TRADE
Golden State sends Moe Harkless
Orlando trades Jason Thompson.
That was a fitting finish to the trading period.
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TRADE
Golden State sends Moe Harkless
Orlando trades Jason Thompson.
Great trade for GSW. Jason Thompson is a quality rotation player. Moe Harkless isn't that yet.
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Thompson's the better player so far but was a 5th big for us and wasn't gonna play much anyway. Harkless gives us extra depth on the wing and an athletic slasher with good defensive chops. Nice change-of-pace guy for a 4th wing.
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference. It's crazy how some people thought he was a troll at the beginning of the draft (still disappointed in the vetoed LAL/DAL trade >:() Hats off to him for his work!
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference. It's crazy how some people thought he was a troll at the beginning of the draft (still disappointed in the vetoed LAL/DAL trade >:() Hats off to him for his work!
Which LAL/DAL trade?
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference. It's crazy how some people thought he was a troll at the beginning of the draft (still disappointed in the vetoed LAL/DAL trade >:() Hats off to him for his work!
Which LAL/DAL trade?
One that didn't happen
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference. It's crazy how some people thought he was a troll at the beginning of the draft (still disappointed in the vetoed LAL/DAL trade >:() Hats off to him for his work!
Which LAL/DAL trade?
One that didn't happen
Oh alright guessing it wasn't vetoed just that it seemed a bit unfair for DAL so you asked LAL to up there offer.
(Same thing happened to me and fitz, but in hindsight it worked great for both of us)
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference. It's crazy how some people thought he was a troll at the beginning of the draft (still disappointed in the vetoed LAL/DAL trade >:() Hats off to him for his work!
Which LAL/DAL trade?
Well it was vetoed so you'll never know ;) I still strongly disagree with the reasoning behind the veto, but in retrospect we actually benefited by the trade not going through so I can't really complain. Besides, Nick's done a fine job with the rest of the draft so I'm definitely not going to give him crap over one little thing.
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference.
Definitely. At one point, the starting lineup was what, Kanter, Faried, AK47, Gordon, and Parker?
Turning that into Big Al / Josh Smith / Luol Deng / Gordon / Nash is a pretty solid accomplishment.
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference.
Definitely. At one point, the starting lineup was what, Kanter, Faried, AK47, Gordon, and Parker?
Turning that into Big Al / Josh Smith / Luol Deng / Gordon / Nash is a pretty solid accomplishment.
I'm convinced Roy was Fitz secret CO-GM.
Hahahaha just messing. Fitz did a great job re-constructing that roster.
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference.
Definitely. At one point, the starting lineup was what, Kanter, Faried, AK47, Gordon, and Parker?
Turning that into Big Al / Josh Smith / Luol Deng / Gordon / Nash is a pretty solid accomplishment.
I'm convinced Rou was Fitz secret CO-GM.
Hahahaha just messing. Fitz did a great job re-constructing that roster.
Without naming names, I'd say that roughly 12 to 15 franchises consulted me on trade ideas. It was a ton of fun, seeing all the different ideas and the reasoning behind them.
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I think Roy and I gave out a lot of free advise to a heck of a lot of GMs. Some used it some didn't. Fitz must have used it. Good for him. It will help solidify him as a future participant
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fitzhickey certainly deserves credit for turning a pretty poor Dallas team into one of the better teams in a VERY competitive conference.
Definitely. At one point, the starting lineup was what, Kanter, Faried, AK47, Gordon, and Parker?
Turning that into Big Al / Josh Smith / Luol Deng / Gordon / Nash is a pretty solid accomplishment.
I'm convinced Roy was Fitz secret CO-GM.
Hahahaha just messing. Fitz did a great job re-constructing that roster.
Haha thanks all
Roy has definitely helped consulting me on things
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I hope everybody had a great holiday weekend like! I certainly enjoyed mine. Now, time to get cracking on the Lakers presser...
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Gordon Hayward man
Under appreciated.
But Affallo ok?
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Kyrie can't win right?
But dude is twenty-three so,
Lotto numbers are?
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Give Gallo respect.
Prolly hate Swiss Army knives too.
Versatility.
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Gordon Hayward man
Under appreciated.
But Affallo ok?
"But Aff-la-lo oh-kay?"
Six syllables, man
IP, smart with basketball
A poet? Not so
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Pau Gasol he's good
Try playing in Kobe's shadow.
Demoralizing.
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Seven foot center
Jonas Valuncinunas.
Don't sleep, you look dumb.
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Haiku is cliche
Iambic pentameter
is the real deal, yo
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Gordon Hayward man
Under appreciated.
But Affallo ok?
But Aff-la-lo oh-kay?
Six syllables, man
IP, smart with basketball
A poet? Not so
Darn. You got me man.
I can't say Im surprised tho.
Cavaliers for real.
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Haiku is cliche
Iambic pentameter
is the real deal, yo
Good way to waste time:
Iambic pentameter.
It's just talking yo.
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Haiku is cliche
Iambic pentameter
is the real deal, yo
Good way to waste time:
Iambic pentameter.
It's just talking yo.
The poets of old
were not known for brevity
long words sound smart, dude
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So moving on,
Patric Beverley
Straight bulldog bro.
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So moving on,
Patric Beverley
Straight bulldog bro.
Straight is one syllable.
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So moving on,
Patric Beverley
Straight bulldog bro.
Straight is one syllable.
Not if you say it with a thick Scottish accent. Sort of.
Not sure about that first line, though.
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So moving on,
Patric Beverley
Straight bulldog bro.
Straight is one syllable.
You're all critics right?
I make this stuff seem easy.
But Im not perfect.
Ah first line. Grr.
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Patric Beverley
He deserves a better verse
Y'all disrespectin'.
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Isaiah Thomas
The little engine that could
If 'could' means score points.
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Sir Evan Fournier
Starting caliber, just wait.
You'll see soon enough.
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Isaiah Thomas
The little engine that could
If 'could' means score points.
The best one so far
Props for spelling his name right
PatricK B. is sad
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Who's Pero Antic?
I doubt even IP knows
Refrigerator
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Watch Corey Brewer
Starting by February.
The gator's got teeth.
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Pero Antic's scary.
Carlos Boozer's evil twin
He's pale but deadly.
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This whole thread's become a really terrible deleted scene from Finding Forrester.
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This whole thread's become a really terrible deleted scene from Finding Forrester.
KCattheStripe
A straight shooter, that's for sure
"Haikus are booooooooooooring."
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"Pale but deadly"?
Haven't heard that since college
I killed at beer pong
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Finding Forrester
Searching for Bobby Fischer
And Juice had a Babe.
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This whole thread's become a really terrible deleted scene from Finding Forrester.
KCattheStripe
A straight shooter, that's for sure
"Haikus are booooooooooooring."
Give that man a cigar! Best Haiku of the night.
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Kent Bazemore: reserve
But they let Jarret Jack walk on,
Atleast gives me faith.
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This whole thread's become a really terrible deleted scene from Finding Forrester.
KCattheStripe
A straight shooter, that's for sure
"Haikus are booooooooooooring."
Give that man a cigar! Best Haiku of the night.
Your standards are short.
Read my verse again; maybe
You'll see my genius.
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Did winery tour
Poured a good glass, no mistake
Hangover tuesday.
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This thread is boring
Just backslapping and thank yous
Endemic of draft?
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Did winery tour
Poured a good glass, no mistake
Hangover tuesday.
Just remember, man
"Wine before beer, in the clear"
Ben Franklin's never wrong
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Did winery tour
Poured a good glass, no mistake
Hangover tuesday.
Just remember, man
"Wine before beer, in the clear"
Ben Franklin's never wrong
Ha, too late my man.
They also had local brews
The 'rules' are for wimps.
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Also as a quick aside, just because you make your beer 20 miles from me, I do not feel compelled to drink it if its poor. An IPA is an IPA; if you can't understand that, I can't help you. We're in 'Murcia. Hops in the front.
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I just read my wife all the haikus in sequence. She thinks lucky and KC are hilarious. I think she thinks I am a nerd.
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Finding Forrester
Searching for Bobby Fischer
And Juice had a Babe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjheHtlVf7A
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Done with the presser, and was sort of concerned by how lengthy it was, but I checked out NYK's and saw that theirs was similar in density. Really looking forward to these pressers as I think we're all in store for some quality material!
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Yeah, IDK about making up some long winded presser. Why bloviate; here's how my presser is likely to go.
My team rules
Your team drools
Suck it!
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Yeah, IDK about making up some long winded presser. Why bloviate; here's how my presser is likely to go.
My team rules
Your team drools
Suck it!
Long winded pressers sound like fun to me
get to flaunt all the ways in which my team is superior to everyone's ;D
just kidding
but i do like talking up my team
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Presser is up!
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Really guys!! Its 10:40 AM EST and we only have 2 out of 8 pressers up?
If you do not at least post a lineup/depth chart you will not be eligible for the playoffs, regardless of where you finish in the voting.
Questioning for both Atlantic and Pacific Division Pressers opens up at noon today per my previous statements.
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Cavs presser (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67439.msg1545562#msg1545562) posted, y'all.
(Yes I know ours is tomorrow, but go ahead and read).
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Cavs presser (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67439.msg1545562#msg1545562) posted, y'all.
(Yes I know ours is tomorrow, but go ahead and read).
Way to jack DKC Memphis's motto 8)
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Love the questions guys, keep em comin!
In classes most the day but should have some time tonight to write out some responses. Meanwhile, I know my co-gm is holding it down ;)
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Woo, 6 hours of class, a fantasy football draft, and the LA Lakers presser in the same day?
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So hopefully Central division pressers and Q & A session isn't going to be tomorrow. I have work tonight and school all day tomorrow.
I'll do my best to get my press release out, but won't likely be available for questions until Thursday. Life happens.
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So hopefully Central division pressers and Q & A session isn't going to be tomorrow. I have work tonight and school all day tomorrow.
I'll do my best to get my press release out, but won't likely be available for questions until Thursday. Life happens.
Yep, Central division is Wednesday. Make sure you at least get your lineup / rotation out there to remain playoff eligible.
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So I do this every season, where I talk myself into a guy I end up rooting for, and it lasts years.
Ersan Ilyasova is one of those guys. Chandler Parsons, James Harden, Jrue Holiday and Jimmy Butler are some of those guys. But Derrick Williams and Andrew Bogut are also some of those guys. My track record isn't perfect.
Im goin whole hog on Gordon Hayward and Jonas Valanciunas. Willing to make an over under side-bet on either guy.
I'll take the over on 14 points 7.5 rebounds for Valanciunas, 16 points 3.7 assists for Hayward.
Who wants a 20 TP side bet on either guy?
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Which divisions are up tomorrow?
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Which divisions are up tomorrow?
Central and Northwest, I believe.
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Which divisions are up tomorrow?
Central and Northwest, I believe.
Okay cool thanks
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Welp....if central pressers really are for today...oh freakin well...you'll get it when I have time....don't like it too bad...my schedule doesn't revolve around you jackaloons
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So I do this every season, where I talk myself into a guy I end up rooting for, and it lasts years.
Ersan Ilyasova is one of those guys. Chandler Parsons, James Harden, Jrue Holiday and Jimmy Butler are some of those guys. But Derrick Williams and Andrew Bogut are also some of those guys. My track record isn't perfect.
Im goin whole hog on Gordon Hayward and Jonas Valanciunas. Willing to make an over under side-bet on either guy.
I'll take the over on 14 points 7.5 rebounds for Valanciunas, 16 points 3.7 assists for Hayward.
Who wants a 20 TP side bet on either guy?
I'll take the under on Hayward.
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Welp....if central pressers really are for today...oh freakin well...you'll get it when I have time....don't like it too bad...my schedule doesn't revolve around you jackaloons
jackaloons gosh
i am hurt :'(
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I'm pretty surprised that Antwan Jamison didn't get picked. Nobody could use a productive stretch-4 who is a decent rebounder? He doesn't play a lot of defense, but neither does J.J. Hickson and a score of other guys who were drafted.
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I'm pretty surprised that Antwan Jamison didn't get picked. Nobody could use a productive stretch-4 who is a decent rebounder? He doesn't play a lot of defense, but neither does J.J. Hickson and a score of other guys who were drafted.
Wow that is surprising ???
I thought at least one team could use him
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I'm pretty surprised that Antwan Jamison didn't get picked. Nobody could use a productive stretch-4 who is a decent rebounder? He doesn't play a lot of defense, but neither does J.J. Hickson and a score of other guys who were drafted.
I was on the verge of picking him in rounds 11 12 and 13. Then ended up going in a different direction for some reason. Very surprised to see that he remained on the board.
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My list of best players not taken in no particular order:
Gustavo Ayon
Antawn Jamison
Rodrique Beaubois
Trevor Booker
Aaron Brooks
Marshon Brooks
Shannon Brown
Al Harrington
John Jenkins
James Anderson
John Lucas
Marcus Morris
Charlie Villanueva
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If you do not at least post a lineup/depth chart you will not be eligible for the playoffs, regardless of where you finish in the voting.
As I recall an abandoned Knicks team that started Greg Oden at center won the Atlantic without a presser in 2010 (before getting rolled by the Boxers?). I was put off then and I approve of this new wrinkle now.
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James Anderson
I was high on Anderson's chances coming out of college, but he hasn't been able to put it together. I now rank him somewhere behind Damion James and Dionte Christmas: another couple of guys I'm convinced should be on NBA rosters, but that we're more likely to see succeeding abroad or in the D-League.
I honestly didn't agonize over my last two picks, intended to play the wire as I often do. I overlooked the ruling that F.A. singings would be limited to teams under the 13 man roster requirement.
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I might add Leandro Barbosa to that list as well, nick. If he comes back from that injury 100%, he's still a spark offensively off the bench.
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I might add Leandro Barbosa to that list as well, nick. If he comes back from that injury 100%, he's still a spark offensively off the bench.
Barbosa went in Rd 12 I believe - don't know if he's crossed off the list, though. Things got pretty rapid-fire toward the end.
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I might add Leandro Barbosa to that list as well, nick. If he comes back from that injury 100%, he's still a spark offensively off the bench.
Barbosa went in Rd 12 I believe - don't know if he's crossed off the list, though. Things got pretty rapid-fire toward the end.
Oh, you're right. I guess I just missed him.
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Well Kudos to the central for showing up and bringing it HARD. And shame on the Northwest :'(
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My list of best players not taken in no particular order:
Gustavo Ayon
Antawn Jamison
Rodrique Beaubois
Trevor Booker
Aaron Brooks
Marshon Brooks
Shannon Brown
Al Harrington
John Jenkins
James Anderson
John Lucas
Marcus Morris
Charlie Villanueva
I might add DeShawn Stevenson and Dahntay Jones to the list as well. Of course, I really like guys who can play D and do the dirty work.
Was quite surprised that Brown, A Brooks, Villanueva, and Harrington didn't get picked. I'd have taken either of the last two if I'd been able to open up a roster slot somehow.
Edit: And Jamison. And maybe Stephen Jackson.
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While on Aaron Brooks, I still cannot believe how bad of a decision it was for him to go to China. It wasn't long ago when this guy was having a breakout year as a starting PG for the Rockets, and absolutely tearing up the eventual champions that year, the Lakers. Now, I wouldn't want him as my team's starting PG, but he's a fine instant offense PG off the bench.
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So this injury Danny Granger has -- patellar tendinosis, a degenerative knee condition -- this is the same injury Vince Carter had back when he with the Raptors? And Vince recovered 20-5-5 type seasons.
Are there any other players who have suffered badly or recovered from this injury in recent times?
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Which divisions are today?
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Which divisions are today?
Southeast and Southwest
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So this injury Danny Granger has -- patellar tendinosis, a degenerative knee condition -- this is the same injury Vince Carter had back when he with the Raptors? And Vince recovered 20-5-5 type seasons.
Are there any other players who have suffered badly or recovered from this injury in recent times?
I'd mentioned this before, but Wade has been successfully managing his "Jumper's Knee" since 2007. Though the injury isn't without its risks.
I hand't realized that Pau Gasol was suffering from patellar tendinosis last season.
"It's more than tendinitis, it's tendonosis," Gasol said. "There's a degeneration of the tissue, and it's something that I've dealt with all year. So I'll have to do something to regenerate the tissue so I don't have to play with this pain."
Granger missed more time than Gasol but he's also younger and ahead of Pau in his rehab. According to his coach, Frank Vogel:
"He played some one-on-one stuff. He’s still limited, but he’s on schedule…We’re very encouraged with where he’s at."
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The Orlando Kobes are ready to SLAMJAM (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67441.msg1546834#msg1546834) all over the Fake NBA.
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So this injury Danny Granger has -- patellar tendinosis, a degenerative knee condition -- this is the same injury Vince Carter had back when he with the Raptors? And Vince recovered 20-5-5 type seasons.
Are there any other players who have suffered badly or recovered from this injury in recent times?
I'd mentioned this before, but Wade has been successfully managing his "Jumper's Knee" since 2007. Though the injury isn't without its risks.
Wade has had several MVP caliber since then. That counts for a lot. So Vince + Wade have had stellar seasons after dealing with this injury.
Why are so many people down on Granger's comeback from this injury then?
It is not just on C'blog. There seems to be a lack of optimism about Granger all over.
You would think that a team that pushed Miami to a Game 7 without an 18-20ppg top ten SF in the league ... you would think there would be much more excitement about Granger's return and Indiana's post-season chances next season.
Is there anything different about his injury? Severity of it or anything like that? I tried looking for stuff on the internet but I couldn't find anything.
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STATEMENT
Voting begins midnight EST tonight through 8:00PM EST Saturday. here are the guidelines:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67476.msg1547011;topicseen#new
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
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Sorry if I can't get to all my q's
I have a busy day at school
When I get back I will get onto them
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The current Southeast Division thread:
(http://kayfabecomedy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/virgil-wrestling-superstar.jpg)
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So here are my playoff teams, by conference. This is not the order I will rank them in (I'm not divulging that), and obviously I can't rank my own team.
EAST
Atlanta
Boston
Cleveland
Indiana
Miami
Milwaukee
New York
Orlando
(Chicago)
WEST
Dallas
Golden State
Houston
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
Portland
San Antonio
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
High five, Roy!
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well, after spending a lot of time breaking things down, comparing rosters, reading threads, etc.....i have my vote prepared for tomorrow. i gotta say, the west was REALLY hard to put in an order.
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Nick, whenever the press conference deadline passes, can you let us know which teams are ineligible for the playoffs? It'll make a lot of tough decisions easier.
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Nick, whenever the press conference deadline passes, can you let us know which teams are ineligible for the playoffs? It'll make a lot of tough decisions easier.
Just vote regularly. I will take care of the rest.
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So here are my playoff teams, by conference. This is not the order I will rank them in (I'm not divulging that), and obviously I can't rank my own team.
EAST
Atlanta
Boston
Cleveland
Indiana
Miami
Milwaukee
New York
Orlando
(Chicago)
WEST
Dallas
Golden State
Houston
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
Portland
San Antonio
when you do your rankings dallas ain't moving ;D
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The press conferences actually changed my rankings more than I was expecting. Great job, everyone.
Western Conference
1. Dallas - best combination of offense, defense, and "fit" in the CBNBA
2. Portland - I worry this team is built for the regular season, but I think they cruise until the playoffs
3. Oklahoma City - Great top tier talent, but the wings are underwhelming
4. Minnesota - Lebron and a great defense, but the offense could be spotty
5. Houston - I'm unsure about the firepower up front; Harden is the only guy who consistently excels on offense
6. Golden State - Why, Kane, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it made some questionable fits worse
7. San Antonio - I love Love and Iggy, and I'm willing to be optimistic on Granger. I hate McGee, though.
8. Denver - I can't keep two-time champ Anderson Varejao out of the CB Playoffs. I like this team's depth, and it's got a lot of underrated players
9. LA Lakers - A few too many one-dimensional players
10. LA Clippers - I don't care for the bench, or the fit of Griffin and Gay
11. Memphis - Chris Paul, but the rest of the talent doesn't inspire me.
12. Phoenix - Outside of Duncan and West, I just don't like this team a lot. They missed their presser, which is reason enough for me not to overthink this
Eastern Conference
1. New York - The best sixth man in the NBA carries NY through the regular season
2. Atlanta - A wildly talented starting lineup
3. Miami - Lots of talented, experienced players led by Tony Parker
4. Cleveland - Probably my favorites to make it out of the East in the playoffs, but KG's minutes limit them in the regular season
5. Indiana - Durant is the best player in the East, and that should be enough to carry Indy to a mid-tier playoff seed
6. Orlando - A really well-constructed team built around Kobe. If Amare isn't dominant, though, I'm not sure this team will fare much better than the "real" Lakers lately
7. Boston - A little too inexperienced for my liking, but this team's core will be really good in two or three years
8. Chicago - Why, ronaldo, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it took your team out of contention
9. Washington - Similar to Boston: lots of talent, but I'm not sure they're ready.
10. Milwaukee - I'm not a believer in Okafor / Anderson as a playoff front line. I like their 1 through 3, though.
11. Brooklyn - Another questionable big man situation. Westbrook and Kawhi are a very nice foundation
12. Detroit - A team clearly focused on the future, but it should win some games in the short term, as well. Lots of talent.
13. Philadelphia - See Detroit, except they didn't do a press conference
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The press conferences actually changed my rankings more than I was expecting. Great job, everyone.
Western Conference
1. Dallas - best combination of offense, defense, and "fit" in the CBNBA
2. Portland - I worry this team is built for the regular season, but I think they cruise until the playoffs
3. Oklahoma City - Great top tier talent, but the wings are underwhelming
4. Minnesota - Lebron and a great defense, but the offense could be spotty
5. Houston - I'm unsure about the firepower up front; Harden is the only guy who consistently excels on offense
6. Golden State - Why, Kane, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it made some questionable fits worse
7. San Antonio - I love Love and Iggy, and I'm willing to be optimistic on Granger. I hate McGee, though.
8. Denver - I can't keep two-time champ Anderson Varejao out of the CB Playoffs. I like this team's depth, and it's got a lot of underrated players
9. LA Lakers - A few too many one-dimensional players
10. LA Clippers - I don't care for the bench, or the fit of Griffin and Gay
11. Memphis - Chris Paul, but the rest of the talent doesn't inspire me.
12. Phoenix - Outside of Duncan and West, I just don't like this team a lot. They missed their presser, which is reason enough for me not to overthink this
Eastern Conference
1. New York - The best sixth man in the NBA carries NY through the regular season
2. Atlanta - A wildly talented starting lineup
3. Miami - Lots of talented, experienced players led by Tony Parker
4. Cleveland - Probably my favorites to make it out of the East in the playoffs, but KG's minutes limit them in the regular season
5. Indiana - Durant is the best player in the East, and that should be enough to carry Indy to a mid-tier playoff seed
6. Orlando - A really well-constructed team built around Kobe. If Amare isn't dominant, though, I'm not sure this team will fare much better than the "real" Lakers lately
7. Boston - A little too inexperienced for my liking, but this team's core will be really good in two or three years
8. Chicago - Why, ronaldo, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it took your team out of contention
9. Washington - Similar to Boston: lots of talent, but I'm not sure they're ready.
10. Milwaukee - I'm not a believer in Okafor / Anderson as a playoff front line. I like their 1 through 3, though.
11. Brooklyn - Another questionable big man situation. Westbrook and Kawhi are a very nice foundation
12. Detroit - A team clearly focused on the future, but it should win some games in the short term, as well. Lots of talent.
13. Philadelphia - See Detroit, except they didn't do a press conference
So here are my playoff teams, by conference. This is not the order I will rank them in (I'm not divulging that), and obviously I can't rank my own team.
EAST
Atlanta
Boston
Cleveland
Indiana
Miami
Milwaukee
New York
Orlando
(Chicago)
WEST
Dallas
Golden State
Houston
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota
Oklahoma City
Portland
San Antonio
Respectfully disagree.
Denver could beat Portland in a 7 game series despite all the scoring they have. Its not like all of those chuckers would average the same amount of points as they have in real life nowtat most of them will have less .
And while the Spurs have a bit better starters than Denver, the Nuggets bench is far more better than San Antonio's.
With much respect to Riah and TWW, bit their teams would lose against Denver. You see we can contain their top tier talent outside of Melo and Love, but their second unit cant contain oyrs, and we have an elite talent to go with two very good, underrated players with that as well.
Denver does admit, that the other six are superior to them. Some ate miles ahead, a couple are close and all could be beatable by our squad but will take very intricate steategies to do so.
The bottom two, Denver believes they are better.
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Denver could beat Portland in a 7 game series despite all the scoring they have.
Does that matter? Teams don't play 7-game series in the regular season.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
I didn't trade for Nash without thinking about it
Nash is a superior playmaker and will make my team vastly better with Gordon, Smith, Deng and Jefferson.
Nash is a top 3 passer in the league
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
Parker could also get 11 assists a game if he would play 37 minutes and scored 13 points instead of 20.
If we are going by best passing PGs then take out Rondo and put in Calderon.
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8. Chicago - Why, ronaldo, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it took your team out of contention
To be honest I'm happy with my team and went with the players I wanted to have hence why I took Chandler over KG though we all know that having KG on your team is a big bonus on CB Draft. I am kind of hurt though how you put a team whose starting SF is recovering from an ACL tear and won't play for awhile, whose PF had an average season, whose starting PG is injury prone, and who has a much worse bench than mine ahead of me.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
Parker could also get 11 assists a game if he would play 37 minutes and scored 13 points instead of 22.
If we are going by best passing PGs then take out Rondo and put in Calderon.
Calderon, who has never averaged as many as 9.0 assists in a season?
No, I prefer Rondo.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
Parker could also get 11 assists a game if he would play 37 minutes and scored 13 points instead of 22.
If we are going by best passing PGs then take out Rondo and put in Calderon.
Calderon, who has never averaged as many as 9.0 assists in a season?
No, I prefer Rondo.
I think Rondo is the better passer, but Calderon never had weapons to pass to like Rondo did.
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8. Chicago - Why, ronaldo, why? I wish the trade had never happened, as I think it took your team out of contention
To be honest I'm happy with my team and went with the players I wanted to have hence why I took Chandler over KG though we all know that having KG on your team is a big bonus on CB Draft. I am kind of hurt though how you put a team whose starting SF is recovering from an ACL tear and won't play for awhile, whose PF had an average season, whose starting PG is injury prone, and who has a much worse bench than mine ahead of me.
Kyrie Irving is better than anybody on your team, though, and I'm giving all but the most chronically injured players an optimistic bill of health.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Nash is a much, much better player than the stats showed last year. Call it the Kobe Factor. Putting a pass-first PG next to Kobe is a horrific idea.
In terms of running an offense, Nash is still a top-three PG.
Who are you snubbing then? I mean the first 2 are Paul and Parker so Nash is ahead of everyone else?
Parker isn't necessarily the best PG at running an offense or passing. He's a tremendous all-around PG who has a mastery of San Antonio's system.
I'd rank the best passing PGs are Rondo, CP3, and Nash.
Parker could also get 11 assists a game if he would play 37 minutes and scored 13 points instead of 22.
If we are going by best passing PGs then take out Rondo and put in Calderon.
Calderon, who has never averaged as many as 9.0 assists in a season?
No, I prefer Rondo.
If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
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If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
So? The guy makes the safe pass. I'm not sure that that necessarily makes him a superior passer to Rondo, though. Rondo gets his teammates looks that Calderon would never try for.
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If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
So? The guy makes the safe pass. I'm not sure that that necessarily makes him a superior passer to Rondo, though. Rondo gets his teammates looks that Calderon would never try for.
Rondo's risky passing is one of the special things about him. His crazy fake around the back then dish it are special
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If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
So? The guy makes the safe pass. I'm not sure that that necessarily makes him a superior passer to Rondo, though. Rondo gets his teammates looks that Calderon would never try for.
Lol Rondo's a stat padder to the max. I think the right term would be that Calderon has a higher IQ than Rondo also Calderon doesn't have the caliber players that Rondo has.
I mean it's either Calderon or Parker over Rondo, though if we are talking solely on running an offense you can also add Williams, Curry, and Rose over Rondo.
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If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
So? The guy makes the safe pass. I'm not sure that that necessarily makes him a superior passer to Rondo, though. Rondo gets his teammates looks that Calderon would never try for.
Lol Rondo's a stat padder to the max. I think the right term would be that Calderon has a higher IQ than Rondo also Calderon doesn't have the caliber players that Rondo has.
I mean it's either Calderon or Parker over Rondo, though if we are talking solely on running an offense you can also add Williams, Curry, and Rose over Rondo.
I think you might be failing to appreciate a truly special PG. I've got no interest in continuing the argument; you're wrong, but I'll let BBallTim tell you why.
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I think Rondo is the best pure passer in the league. a/to ratio doesn't show me anything more than Calderon is more careful, not a better passer
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If we are going straight off of passing Calderon is clearly the better option, I mean the guy had an assist to turnover ratio of 4.11
So? The guy makes the safe pass. I'm not sure that that necessarily makes him a superior passer to Rondo, though. Rondo gets his teammates looks that Calderon would never try for.
Lol Rondo's a stat padder to the max. I think the right term would be that Calderon has a higher IQ than Rondo also Calderon doesn't have the caliber players that Rondo has.
I mean it's either Calderon or Parker over Rondo, though if we are talking solely on running an offense you can also add Williams, Curry, and Rose over Rondo.
I think you might be failing to appreciate a truly special PG.
No, I appreciate Tony Parker he is one of a kind, oh you were talking about Rondo yeah I think you being a Celtics fan plays a part as to why you think so much of him. (Same thing with KG, but the thing I hate the most is how undervalued Pierce and Ray are.)
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Lots of KG talk Ron. Maybe you just made a mistake with your pick and that's that?
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Here is a great story by mavsmoneyball.
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2013/7/6/4498530/what-jose-calderon-brings-to-the-dallas-mavericks
Simply put: he's the best passer not named Chris Paul.
Defining "best" may seem frivolous to some, but let me clarify my statement: when I say best, I don't necessarily mean the flashiest, or the most effortless-looking, or even the most prolific. Many passers in the NBA today can make highlight reels (your Rubio's), or rack up stunning raw totals (your Rondo's), but don't let your eyes fool you. Jose Calderon is better than those guys. This is Calderon's ranking, yearly, in assist-to-turnover ratio, dating back to 2006-07:
'12-'13: 2nd
'11-'12: 1st
'10-11: 2nd
'09-'10: 3rd
'08-'09: 1st
'07-'08: 1st
'06-'07: 4th
Making a sweet looking dish is nice and all, but most of the time just making the correct, simple play is better, and that's what Calderon does. His height, at a deceptively tall 6'3", and patience allows him to wait and scan the defense for the proper opening. His instincts and understanding of how to run an offense, having played eight years in the states and several more abroad, are nearly unmatched. Calderon annually rates as one of the most turnover-averse point guards in basketball, helping to maximize possessions and giving teammates like Dirk Nowitzki that many more chances at doing work.
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Lots of KG talk Ron. Maybe you just made a mistake with your pick and that's that?
Haha no and it will show come actual regular season.
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His instincts and understanding of how to run an offense, having played eight years in the states and several more abroad, are nearly unmatched.
... which is why the Raptors ranked 29th in offensive efficiency in 2012, despite Calderon's #1 Assist-to-turnover ratio.
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Lots of KG talk Ron. Maybe you just made a mistake with your pick and that's that?
Haha no and it will show come actual regular season.
Well alright, if you say so. I've just seen many posts by you somewhat targeting KG, seemingly for no reason. At least, nobody's prompted you by asking why you picked Chandler over him.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
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His instincts and understanding of how to run an offense, having played eight years in the states and several more abroad, are nearly unmatched.
... which is why the Raptors ranked 29th in offensive efficiency in 2012, despite Calderon's #1 Assist-to-turnover ratio.
What website are using because based on ESPN in 2011-12 they were #25 and Celtics were #24 in 2012-13 they were #14 and C's were #20 so I don't see the point you are trying to make...
(To clarify what I'm trying to say is that a C's led Rondo with more weapons did pretty identical to Calderon yet Rondo is a top 3 passer.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
I think Pierce gets tons of praise... there are few guys in the league I'd trust more with a final shot, and I think most CBers agree.
Ray's different since people are bitter he left. But I don't think anyone denies his talent.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
Really? Pierce is probably the most beloved Celtic around here.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Okay. Well, fair warning, you just admitted to trolling.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Not the best strategy for this game
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But, I can kind of understand where Ron is coming from. My first few drafts, I kind of felt like the GM's would praise your team if you had bigger names, despite the fact that Player A (bigger name) and Player B (not so likeable player) had similar production. Which is why he's upset, I'm guessing.
But Rondo is obviously better than Calderon in every way.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Okay. Well, fair warning, you just admitted to trolling.
Lol I was kidding and was looking for facts before I edited my post, but what do you mean by his generation? I mean as of now off the top of my head I'd put Duncan and Ben Wallace over him.
Also it's quite shocking Duncan has not won one DPOY award in his career and to be honest I think he should have won it this year.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Okay. Well, fair warning, you just admitted to trolling.
Lol I was kidding and was looking for facts before I edited my post, but what do you mean by his generation? I mean as of now off the top of my head I'd put Duncan and Ben Wallace over him.
Wallace was a great post defender but in his prime KG could arguably giard all 5 positions.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Okay. Well, fair warning, you just admitted to trolling.
Lol I was kidding and was looking for facts before I edited my post, but what do you mean by his generation? I mean as of now off the top of my head I'd put Duncan and Ben Wallace over him.
Wallace was a great post defender but in his prime KG could arguably giard all 5 positions.
KG was more versatile, but versatility does not mean better anyways I'm outtie tell'em something they don't know about me.
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Washington has a basic Presser up. Sorry for the delay today. First week back teaching. Will answer questions.
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Washington has a basic Presser up. Sorry for the delay today. First week back teaching. Will answer questions.
They have schools in Canada?
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Washington has a basic Presser up. Sorry for the delay today. First week back teaching. Will answer questions.
They have schools in Canada?
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Washington has a basic Presser up. Sorry for the delay today. First week back teaching. Will answer questions.
They have schools in Canada?
We even teach about Canada's basement aka Merica. ;D
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Washington has a basic Presser up. Sorry for the delay today. First week back teaching. Will answer questions.
They have schools in Canada?
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Today paw gave me my birthday present. He was real sekretive bout it, but it was worth the wait! We kilt a pig two weeks ago, and paw wouldn't let us use the stomach for the stew, but now I know why! He boilt it up and filled it with acorns, then he had he widow Delacrux sew it up into a small ball for summer hockey! All the kids were so pleased but me most of all! Now I can pretend to be Guy Lafleur, even in August!
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Actually I really shouldn't joke. I see real Amish people multiple times a day. I buy corn from them. They're nice.
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Tentative East Rankings:
IND
MIA
WASH
CHI
NY
CLE
MIL
ATL
ORL
BKN
DET
PHILA
I don't feel great about these. I ranked every team 1-10, 10'being the best, 1 being the worst. LOTS of 6's and 7's.
Tell me why your team will consistently win during the regular season, these are very open to change.
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Tentative East Rankings:
IND
MIA
WASH
CHI
NY
CLE
MIL
ATL
ORL
BKN
DET
PHILA
I don't feel great about these. I ranked every team 1-10, 10'being the best, 1 being the worst. LOTS of 6's and 7's.
Tell me why your team will consistently win during the regular season, these are very open to change.
Surprised that you've got Atlanta ranked so low, when they feature two of the three best players from your Finals losing team from last season.
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Yeah, I don't like Nene at the 5, I don't like Lin at the 1, especially next to Pierce and Wade.
Then, there's Wade. I don't really know what to make of him. A lot of the injury concerns regarding him turned out to be pretty prescient.
But I could easily see them doing real damage in the playoffs too. Like I said, I don't love my rankings and after the top 3 teams, there isn't a ton of separation for me. What if Wade puts in a 75 game season at 32 Mpg? Totally changes things. I had them at a 6 for regular season wins. There were a lot of 6's.
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Yeah, I don't like Nene at the 5, I don't like Lin at the 1, especially next to Pierce and Wade.
Then, there's Wade. I don't really know what to make of him. A lot of the injury concerns regarding him turned out to be pretty prescient.
But I could easily see them doing real damage in the playoffs too. Like I said, I don't love my rankings and after the top 3 teams, there isn't a ton of separation for me. What if Wade puts in a 75 game season at 32 Mpg? Totally changes things. I had them at a 6 for regular season wins. There were a lot of 6's.
Doesn't Champ have Jameer starting at point?
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IP, I get that you're concerned about KG's minutes limitation, but even with him playing 28 minutes and missing back-to-backs, I think we have a team that can do better than a sixth seed.
Remember, our starting lineup without KG is still Lawson-Allen-Butler-Landry-Horford. That is still very good.
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Jesus this thread moved fast while I was gone. Anyway I'm about to finalize my rankings tonight so they'll be good to go tomorrow morning before I leave for vacation. Just a heads up that I'll be very inconsistent checking in next week for playoffs and when I do, it'll be on my phone so I won't be posting much either way. My co-GM will be taking over everything.
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IP, I get that you're concerned about KG's minutes limitation, but even with him playing 28 minutes and missing back-to-backs, I think we have a team that can do better than a sixth seed. Remember, our starting lineup without KG is still Lawson-Allen-Butler-Landry-Horford. That is still very good.
Is it? I like Ty Lawson well enough, and I like Al Horford about as much, both guys who are 2nd tier all-stars during good years. Tony Allen, I like him as well with the obvious reservations, but Caron Butler, Carl Landry, those guys are below level starters for me, only really acceptable if the other 4 starters are more than competent.
I think when KG is healthy it fits together wonderfully, though. Maybe better than a 6th seed. I'll think on it.
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Yeah, I don't like Nene at the 5, I don't like Lin at the 1, especially next to Pierce and Wade.
Then, there's Wade. I don't really know what to make of him. A lot of the injury concerns regarding him turned out to be pretty prescient.
But I could easily see them doing real damage in the playoffs too. Like I said, I don't love my rankings and after the top 3 teams, there isn't a ton of separation for me. What if Wade puts in a 75 game season at 32 Mpg? Totally changes things. I had them at a 6 for regular season wins. There were a lot of 6's.
Doesn't Champ have Jameer starting at point?
I had missed that. But is that really better? I will say though that Lin/Nelson manning every minute at the 1 is something I hadn't considered a strength, but maybe should have. 48 minutes of C+ is better than 35 minutes of B and 13 minutes of D-.
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IP, I get that you're concerned about KG's minutes limitation, but even with him playing 28 minutes and missing back-to-backs, I think we have a team that can do better than a sixth seed. Remember, our starting lineup without KG is still Lawson-Allen-Butler-Landry-Horford. That is still very good.
Is it? I like Ty Lawson well enough, and I like Al Horford about as much, both guys who are 2nd tier all-stars during good years. Tony Allen, I like him as well with the obvious reservations, but Caron Butler, Carl Landry, those guys are below level starters for me, only really acceptable if the other 4 starters are more than competent.
I think when KG is healthy it fits together wonderfully, though. Maybe better than a 6th seed. I'll think on it.
I'll let you think on it, but I think you're underrating Butler and Landry. Especially Landry.
And it's not like we're without KG for the whole season.
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I've scrambled the order of the teams but here are my playoff teams for each conference. It was particularly tough distinguishing the last few playoff spots so here is your chance to make one last bid for your team if it's not in the playoff race.
Grizzlies
Nuggets
Thunder
Lakers
Rockets
Mavericks
Timberwolves
Spurs
Wizards
Celtics
Knicks
Pacers
Heat
Magic
Bucks
Cavaliers
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IP, I get that you're concerned about KG's minutes limitation, but even with him playing 28 minutes and missing back-to-backs, I think we have a team that can do better than a sixth seed. Remember, our starting lineup without KG is still Lawson-Allen-Butler-Landry-Horford. That is still very good.
Is it? I like Ty Lawson well enough, and I like Al Horford about as much, both guys who are 2nd tier all-stars during good years. Tony Allen, I like him as well with the obvious reservations, but Caron Butler, Carl Landry, those guys are below level starters for me, only really acceptable if the other 4 starters are more than competent.
I think when KG is healthy it fits together wonderfully, though. Maybe better than a 6th seed. I'll think on it.
I'll let you think on it, but I think you're underrating Butler and Landry. Especially Landry.
Landry: Great backup, okay starter. Is that really that far off?
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IP, I get that you're concerned about KG's minutes limitation, but even with him playing 28 minutes and missing back-to-backs, I think we have a team that can do better than a sixth seed. Remember, our starting lineup without KG is still Lawson-Allen-Butler-Landry-Horford. That is still very good.
Is it? I like Ty Lawson well enough, and I like Al Horford about as much, both guys who are 2nd tier all-stars during good years. Tony Allen, I like him as well with the obvious reservations, but Caron Butler, Carl Landry, those guys are below level starters for me, only really acceptable if the other 4 starters are more than competent.
I think when KG is healthy it fits together wonderfully, though. Maybe better than a 6th seed. I'll think on it.
I'll let you think on it, but I think you're underrating Butler and Landry. Especially Landry.
Landry: Great backup, okay starter. Is that really that far off?
No. I'm alright with that. But you said Landry was below-average before. Which I had to disagree with.
I think Landry will shoot around .500, rebound, and play solid defense as a starter. Really that's all you can ask for from a starting PF, especially if he's playing alongside two near-all-stars (your words ;))
And as for Caron, he shot .388 from three last year. That has at least some value.
In closing, I don't expect a first seed with KG's restrictions, but I think a 3rd or 4th is very reasonable.
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I see Landry as a below average starter, as in if you took the best PF's in the league, and put all as starters, Landry isn't in the top 25. But when you consider all the 4's who aren't even in the top 30 but are still starting, he rated as 'okay'.
Butler I see much the same. Id put him on par with a healthy Delfino or Chase Budinger. That sounds bad, but the 3 is a pretty shallow position.
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In closing, I don't expect a first seed with KG's restrictions, but I think a 3rd or 4th is very reasonable.
Well I have you as a 4th seed, and the difference between you and 3rd is VERY minuscule. ;)
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree then, IP. You seem to see Landry as a liability as a starter. I think he'll help the team win games as a starter.
One last thing: this year the IRL Cavs have 18 B2Bs, unless I miscounted. I think it's very reasonable for us to win roughly 10 of those games that KG doesn't play (assuming he rests against the weaker opponent - which he will).
That leaves 64 other games. Let's say we play around .650 ball the nights that KG plays. Pretty reasonable, I think. That gives us around 42 wins in those 64 games, making our overall record 52-30. Call it 50-32 if you wanna. That's a third or fourth seed right there, especially in the weaker of the two conferences.
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That leaves 64 other games. Let's say we play around .650 ball the nights that KG plays. Pretty reasonable, I think. That gives us around 42 wins in those 64 games, making our overall record 52-30. Call it 50-32 if you wanna. That's a third or fourth seed right there, especially in the weaker of the two conferences.
I think that's pretty rational. I think .600 is closer to my expectations there with KG, but okay.
You'll get a bump.
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That leaves 64 other games. Let's say we play around .650 ball the nights that KG plays. Pretty reasonable, I think. That gives us around 42 wins in those 64 games, making our overall record 52-30. Call it 50-32 if you wanna. That's a third or fourth seed right there, especially in the weaker of the two conferences.
I think that's pretty rational. I think .600 is closer to my expectations there with KG, but okay.
You'll get a bump.
Thank you sir.
And with that, I'm out.
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So is Ron a Celtics fan? Just curious.
Yes, I am a Celtics fan just that it ticks me off how people praise KG and Rondo, but don't do the same for guys like Pierce and Ray.
So, to combat that, you downgrade the best PG the Celtics have had in at least 25 years and a top-two defensive player of his generation?
Yes.
Okay. Well, fair warning, you just admitted to trolling.
Lol I was kidding and was looking for facts before I edited my post, but what do you mean by his generation? I mean as of now off the top of my head I'd put Duncan and Ben Wallace over him.
Wallace was a great post defender but in his prime KG could arguably giard all 5 positions.
So could Big Ben (defend all five positions). Chuck Hayes could too earlier in his career.
Freakishly quick/mobile + strong undersized big men.
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I must say,Roy , I am mildly amused you have the Bucks missing the playoffs. You might be the only one I've seen so far to feel that way. I suppose you can't please everyone though.
I guess my main issue is your "disbelief" in Ryan Anderson and Emeka Okafor. Every statistical metric available shows them to be above average starters. So when you just don't happen to like a certain player, you choose to ignore the metrics? But when they agree with your preconceived notion then the stats are meaningful?
I guess I'll just have to disagree with you on this.
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Steve Nash in the 5th round might be the biggest value pick of the draft. It still blows my mind that he fell that far.
Based on what name recognition or what he did last year? I mean he is now 39 will be 40 by the start of playoffs next year, had a DRtg of 111 and only played 50 games this season.
Yeah, I have trouble putting much faith in Nash too. Can't shake the sight of him hobbling around the court late last season unable to effect games in any positive way.
At 39 years old and will turn 40 during the season, it is hard to give Nash the benefit of the doubt that he will turn to his performance levels of his final season in Phoenix.
I had Nash as one of the lesser starting PGs in the league. A pretty good offensive threat but the weakest defender/rebounder amongst starting lead guards.
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I must say,Roy , I am mildly amused you have the Bucks missing the playoffs. You might be the only one I've seen so far to feel that way. I suppose you can't please everyone though.
I guess my main issue is your "disbelief" in Ryan Anderson and Emeka Okafor. Every statistical metric available shows them to be above average starters. So when you just don't happen to like a certain player, you choose to ignore the metrics? But when they agree with your preconceived notion then the stats are meaningful?
I guess I'll just have to disagree with you on this.
I'm glad I gave you a chuckle.
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Tentative East Rankings:
IND
MIA
WASH
CHI
NY
CLE
MIL
ATL
ORL
BKN
DET
PHILA
I don't feel great about these. I ranked every team 1-10, 10'being the best, 1 being the worst. LOTS of 6's and 7's.
Tell me why your team will consistently win during the regular season, these are very open to change.
I think this is pretty spot on. Super duper stars combined with solid role players win in NBA. Je suis tres pleased.
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Who are Indiana's solid role players? By my count, they have exactly one (Ray). After that it's a bunch of bleh. Not nearly enough to beat the more well rounded teams.
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Who are Indiana's solid role players? By my count, they have exactly one (Ray). After that it's a bunch of bleh. Not nearly enough to beat the more well rounded teams.
Scola, Robin Lopez, Stuckey, Ray, Brand, Marvin Williams, Shaun Livingston.
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My Rankings are as Follows
East
1. Indiana
2. New York
3. Atlanta
4. Cleveland
5. Orlando
6. Milwaukee
7. Boston
8. Miami
9. Brooklyn
10. Chicago
11. Washington
12. Detroit
13. Philly
West
1 Portland
2 Golden State
3 OKC
4 Houston
5 Memphis
6 Mavericks
7 Minnesota
8 Denver
9 Spurs
10 Lakers
11 Clippers
12 Phoenix
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Ok, I also like Brand....the rest are as I said, bleh.
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Ok, I also like Brand....the rest are as I said, bleh.
I differ with your evaluation then. For instance I think Livingston brings more to the table than Bayless. Also, this year and going forward I prefer Lopez to Okafor
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Ok, I also like Brand....the rest are as I said, bleh.
I differ with your evaluation then. For instance I think Livingston brings more to the table than Bayless. Also, this year and going forward I prefer Lopez to Okafor
Both of those statements are stretches to me. Okafor is a savy veteran who knows his role and can get 10 and 10 a night. Lopez put up ok numbers on a terrible team and is still figuring out his role.
Livingston has never done anything to prove his worth as a legit back up, mainly due to injuries.
Do love Brand. Like Knee said. Everything else is very bleh.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
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Tentative East Rankings:
IND
MIA
WASH
CHI
NY
CLE
MIL
ATL
ORL
BKN
DET
PHILA
I don't feel great about these. I ranked every team 1-10, 10'being the best, 1 being the worst. LOTS of 6's and 7's.
Tell me why your team will consistently win during the regular season, these are very open to change.
Surprised that you've got Atlanta ranked so low, when they feature two of the three best players from your Finals losing team from last season.
Very surprised that you have Washington so high as well. Nothing against Reeb but there is nothing there that suggests that Washington is a playoff team.
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Ok, I also like Brand....the rest are as I said, bleh.
I differ with your evaluation then. For instance I think Livingston brings more to the table than Bayless. Also, this year and going forward I prefer Lopez to Okafor
Both of those statements are stretches to me. Okafor is a savy veteran who knows his role and can get 10 and 10 a night. Lopez put up ok numbers on a terrible team and is still figuring out his role.
Livingston has never done anything to prove his worth as a legit back up, mainly due to injuries.
Do love Brand. Like Knee said. Everything else is very bleh.
Okafor can't play as many minutes as Lopez, he's not as durable, Lopez has the better offensive game and is the higher energy player. Okafor is the better rebounder and is slightly better in man to man defense at this stage of his career.
Livingston is a better passer, rebounder, and makes much better decisions than Bayless, he is also 6-7 which creates mismatches on the other teams PG's trying to defend him. Bayless is more athletic but thats about it.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
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East
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
West
1 Portland
2 Golden State
3 OKC
4 Houston
5 Memphis
6 Mavericks
7 Minnesota
8 Denver
9 Spurs
10 Lakers
11 Clippers
12 Phoenix
Wow Lakers finishing a bit apart.
Not to get into a debate as we've already done that in the presser threads, but how in the world does LA finish 2 spots out of the playoffs?
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Wow. The west must be hard to decide on. Some GM's rank certain teams in top 3 and others wouldn't even put those same teams in the playoffs.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
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East
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
West
1 Portland
2 Golden State
3 OKC
4 Houston
5 Memphis
6 Mavericks
7 Minnesota
8 Denver
9 Spurs
10 Lakers
11 Clippers
12 Phoenix
Wow Lakers finishing a bit apart.
Not to get into a debate as we've already done that in the presser threads, but how in the world does LA finish 2 spots out of the playoffs?
Well to be fair its not that I think LA deserves to be out of the playoffs but think other teams really deserve to be in. I think the entire Northwest Division will finish in the playoffs. I also really like Golden State, Houston and Memphis. Then it left me with San Antonio vs the lakers for the 9th/10th spots. I like the spurs better becuase I think Love is on the upswing and Dirk is on the downswing.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his team good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
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Wow. The west must be hard to decide on. Some GM's rank certain teams in top 3 and others wouldn't even put those same teams in the playoffs.
Going through the West now. Its pretty tough.
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East
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
West
1 Portland
2 Golden State
3 OKC
4 Houston
5 Memphis
6 Mavericks
7 Minnesota
8 Denver
9 Spurs
10 Lakers
11 Clippers
12 Phoenix
Wow Lakers finishing a bit apart.
Not to get into a debate as we've already done that in the presser threads, but how in the world does LA finish 2 spots out of the playoffs?
Well to be fair its not that I think LA deserves to be out of the playoffs but think other teams really deserve to be in. I think the entire Northwest Division will finish in the playoffs. I also really like Golden State, Houston and Memphis. Then it left me with San Antonio vs the lakers for the 9th/10th spots. I like the spurs better becuase I think Love is on the upswing and Dirk is on the downswing.
Dallas, Portland, OKC, Houston and Minnesota are my lock for top 5
Outside of that I found it hard to rate them
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his am good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
It might just be me, but other than that front court combo I don't think LAL are seriously good
EDIT: also disagree with where Atlanta is ranked
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his team good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
It might just be me, but other than that front court combo I don't think LAL are seriously good
Without that staring big man combo, they wouldn't be. I agree.
They are role players who were brought in to play specific roles to support their leading players and they can play those specific roles well.
Without a Dirk Nowitzki and without a Marc Gasol to play off of, they would get their butts whooped ... but they do have a Marc Gasol and they do have a Dirk Nowitzki and they can play the supporting roles well that are being asked of them.
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Well, at least I'm not the only one here who disagrees with one ranking or another-ha!
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Not a ton of faith in Kobe's triumphant return I see. We of all fan bases should know better. :P
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his team good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
It might just be me, but other than that front court combo I don't think LAL are seriously good
Without that staring big man combo, they wouldn't be. I agree.
They are role players who were brought in to play specific roles to support their leading players and they can play those specific roles well.
Without a Dirk Nowitzki and without a Marc Gasol to play off of, they would get their butts whooped ... but they do have a Marc Gasol and they do have a Dirk Nowitzki and they can play the supporting roles well that are being asked of them.
Say, and as the miles pile up, Nowitzki goes down with an injury, how would they do in your opinion?
Completely hypothetical btw
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Not a ton of faith in Kobe's triumphant return I see. We of all fan bases should know better. :P
I ranked Orlando highly
Good roster around Kobe
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Not a ton of faith in Kobe's triumphant return I see. We of all fan bases should know better. :P
I'm a believer, I had you 5th because I don't know if he will be ready to start the season but your team should finish strong.
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Not a ton of faith in Kobe's triumphant return I see. We of all fan bases should know better. :P
I'm a believer, I had you 5th because I don't know if he will be ready to start the season but your team should finish strong.
Ya I saw that, appreciate it. Just sneaking in a little last-minute lobbying :) 5th is around where I'd've ranked myself for the reg. season.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his team good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
It might just be me, but other than that front court combo I don't think LAL are seriously good
Without that staring big man combo, they wouldn't be. I agree.
They are role players who were brought in to play specific roles to support their leading players and they can play those specific roles well.
Without a Dirk Nowitzki and without a Marc Gasol to play off of, they would get their butts whooped ... but they do have a Marc Gasol and they do have a Dirk Nowitzki and they can play the supporting roles well that are being asked of them.
Say, and as the miles pile up, Nowitzki goes down with an injury, how would they do in your opinion?
Completely hypothetical btw
Nowitzki would be a big loss if he got injured. Lakers don't have much shot-creation outside of him. It would limit their offense considerably. It would take them from title contender to a middle of the pack team (well, in this uber-competitive CB League, even worse than that).
PG: Calderon, Barea
SG: Matthews, Delfino
SF: Pondexter, Mbah a Moute
PF: Ed Davis, K.Olynyk
C: M.Gasol, J.O'Neal
Dirk is healthy now and has been fairly healthy throughout his career. His style of play also reduces risk of injury as well. So it wasn't something I was going to be too worried or pessimistic about.
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God those rankings gave me a migraine. I need to go back to bed.
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East
1. New York Knicks
2. Indiana Pacers
3. Miami Heat
4. Boston Celtics
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Washington Wizards
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Orlando Magic
10. Milwaukee Bucks
11. Brooklyn Nets
12. Philadelphia 76ers
13. Detroit Pistons
West
1. Los Angeles Lakers
2. Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Phoenix Suns
5. Golden State Warriors
6. San Antonio Spurs
7. Memphis Grizzlies
8. Houston Rockets
9. Portland Trailblazers
10. Dallas Mavericks
11. Denver Nuggets
12. Los Angeles Clippers
How the heck is Phoenix or Golden State meant to beat Dallas?! ???
Phoenix - I wrote about why I like the Phoenix Suns in the Pacific division thread (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67438.msg1546791#msg1546791).
Golden State
I think the Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge and Roy Hibbert is quite strong. I love the backup guards - Lou Williams and Reggie Jackson. I think they have a lot of solid players in their supporting cast and bench (B.Rush, D.DeRozan, J.Thompson, Draymond Green). Not a fan of Bargnani. Ezeli and Udoh as third stringers.
Dallas
I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old. Eric Gordon has had a lot of injury problems. I saw them as two big question marks and with unreliable play from the backcourt ... I just wasn't confident in a Big Al/Deng/J.Smith trio leading this team to the playoffs in an incredibly tough Western Conference.
I can see why you like those teams, but I disagree with you vehemently.
And how are the lakers no.1?
The LA Lakers and Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favourite teams in the West. I think they have some separation from the pack.
I am a big fan of Dirk Nowitzki + Marc Gasol combination. Dirk Nowitzki is still a matchup nightmare at PF. Marc Gasol is a very good interior defender, a top notch high post center and has a low post game to boot. I think those two create lots of advantages for LA.
I really like the wing defense with Quincy Pondexter, Wes Matthews and Mbah a Moute. Oh then there is Delfino as their fourth choice wing defender. They can all shoot the ball well from distance except for Mbah a Moute. Delfino and Wes Matthews bring some secondary ball-handling and passing.
I am big Jose Calderon fan. He does a terrific job running an offense. On a team like this with a scorer like Dirk Nowitzki and such a skilled center as Marc Gasol, I think Calderon is an excellent fit. A high level facilitator who rarely turns the ball, who consistently gets his team good to very good quality shot attempts and makes sure the ball goes where it is meant to go. Combine with the shooters and floor spacing on the wing with two of the most skilled big men in the league and I think LA have one of the most potent offenses in the league.
I really like the Lakers depth too. One of the best benches in the West. A very good backup PG in JJ Barea who can come in and make plays off the pick and roll. The backup wings I noted above. Ed Davis as backup PF. Then J.O'Neal as backup C who has good year for Phoenix in a similar role last season. Plus Kelly Olynyk and Jeremy Lamb as offense orientated third stringers.
It might just be me, but other than that front court combo I don't think LAL are seriously good
Without that staring big man combo, they wouldn't be. I agree.
They are role players who were brought in to play specific roles to support their leading players and they can play those specific roles well.
Without a Dirk Nowitzki and without a Marc Gasol to play off of, they would get their butts whooped ... but they do have a Marc Gasol and they do have a Dirk Nowitzki and they can play the supporting roles well that are being asked of them.
Say, and as the miles pile up, Nowitzki goes down with an injury, how would they do in your opinion?
Completely hypothetical btw
Nowitzki would be a big loss if he got injured. Lakers don't have much shot-creation outside of him. It would limit their offense considerably. It would take them from title contender to a middle of the pack team (well, in this uber-competitive CB League, even worse than that).
PG: Calderon, Barea
SG: Matthews, Delfino
SF: Pondexter, Mbah a Moute
PF: Ed Davis, K.Olynyk
C: M.Gasol, J.O'Neal
Dirk is healthy now and has been fairly healthy throughout his career. His style of play also reduces risk of injury as well. So it wasn't something I was going to be too worried or pessimistic about.
Relying quite heavily on a relatively old dude who has been playing for ages
Hence I ranked them lower
And I don't think they have adequate skill at all positions
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I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old.
For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
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I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old.
For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
That's one way to look at things. The other is that age has finely caught up to Steve Nash being 38, 39, 40 years old(38-39 last year, 39-40 this year) and his body can't do what it once did. I don't think it a stretch to say a 39-40 year old player may miss significant time after doing so last year or that his overall game, especially defense, is going to take a step back. And his back up is Brandon Knight. Its one of the reasons I don't see Dallas as highly as some. Playoff team, yes. Best in the west, no.
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I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old.
For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
That's one way to look at things. The other is that age has finely caught up to Steve Nash being 38, 39, 40 years old(38-39 last year, 39-40 this year) and his body can't do what it once did. I don't think it a stretch to say a 39-40 year old player may miss significant time after doing so last year or that his overall game, especially defense, is going to take a step back. And his back up is Brandon Knight. Its one of the reasons I don't see Dallas as highly as some. Playoff team, yes. Best in the west, no.
If people assume that the worst happens for any franchise, you can justify ranking them poorly. If I remember correctly, it was you who suggested that teams apply their pessimism about injuries, etc., equally across all teams, arguing it was unfair to ding one player but ignore such issues with another.
I find it hard to believe that Nash went from being an elite passer to a broken down has-been in one season, that just happens to coincide with playing next to a ball hog.
My belief in Dallas and Nash doesn't seem to be a popular one, but I'm not sweating it. You all have been wrong before. ;) (I mean, seriously, people once voted a team with an old Antwan Jamison and Hedo Turkuglu as its 2nd and 3rd best players to a championship, so it's not like any of this is scientific.)
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I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old.
For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
That's one way to look at things. The other is that age has finely caught up to Steve Nash being 38, 39, 40 years old(38-39 last year, 39-40 this year) and his body can't do what it once did. I don't think it a stretch to say a 39-40 year old player may miss significant time after doing so last year or that his overall game, especially defense, is going to take a step back. And his back up is Brandon Knight. Its one of the reasons I don't see Dallas as highly as some. Playoff team, yes. Best in the west, no.
If people assume that the worst happens for any franchise, you can justify ranking them poorly. If I remember correctly, it was you who suggested that teams apply their pessimism about injuries, etc., equally across all teams, arguing it was unfair to ding one player but ignore such issues with another.
I find it hard to believe that Nash went from being an elite passer to a broken down has-been in one season, that just happens to coincide with playing next to a ball hog.
My belief in Dallas and Nash doesn't seem to be a popular one, but I'm not sweating it. You all have been wrong before. ;) (I mean, seriously, people once voted a team with an old Antwan Jamison and Hedo Turkuglu as its 2nd and 3rd best players to a championship, so it's not like any of this is scientific.)
Thanks for the faith Roy
Well appreciated
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I find it tough to put much faith in Steve Nash at 39/40 years old.
For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
That's one way to look at things. The other is that age has finely caught up to Steve Nash being 38, 39, 40 years old(38-39 last year, 39-40 this year) and his body can't do what it once did. I don't think it a stretch to say a 39-40 year old player may miss significant time after doing so last year or that his overall game, especially defense, is going to take a step back. And his back up is Brandon Knight. Its one of the reasons I don't see Dallas as highly as some. Playoff team, yes. Best in the west, no.
If people assume that the worst happens for any franchise, you can justify ranking them poorly. If I remember correctly, it was you who suggested that teams apply their pessimism about injuries, etc., equally across all teams, arguing it was unfair to ding one player but ignore such issues with another.
I find it hard to believe that Nash went from being an elite passer to a broken down has-been in one season, that just happens to coincide with playing next to a ball hog.
My belief in Dallas and Nash doesn't seem to be a popular one, but I'm not sweating it. You all have been wrong before. ;) (I mean, seriously, people once voted a team with an old Antwan Jamison and Hedo Turkuglu as its 2nd and 3rd best players to a championship, so it's not like any of this is scientific.)
I try to avoid often injured players like the plague in these games because i find it's not worth the effort/frustration to defend. As such I am probably more critical of players with injury histories than others. But I think it would be very feasible for Dallas to not have Nash or Gordon starting for a third of the season this coming year. That wouldnt surprise me at all.
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
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That wouldnt surprise me at all.
It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not willing to go so far as to say it's probable. Prior to last season, Nash has missed an average of 3.7 games per year over the last eleven seasons. But now, because he had a couple of minor injuries last year, he's "injury prone".
Does that make any sense at all to you?
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My thinking on older players with some recent injury history is that it's pretty likely to affect them somewhat in the regular season, whether it's missing games, minutes restrictions, or simply not going all-out to conserve energy. But I assume if at all possible they'll be around full strength in the playoffs. As Celtics fans we've seen that movie quite a few times lately.
So I think downgrading them a bit in the regular season is reasonable as long as you correct for it when the playoffs roll around.
For the record I have Dallas #3 out West, but that's as much about Gordon - who has had a lot of injury problems at a young age - as about Nash.
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Nash might miss some regular season games, but come playoffs Dallas is going 110%
Nash is a tough fella
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
The defensive criticism, I totally understand. I don't see how it makes sense to project that Nash misses a quarter of the season, though, when that's happened once in more than a decade.
If you do that, I think you need to make similarly negative projections about Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Emeka Okafor, Nene, Wade, etc., etc. Pretty much the only star player you can guarantee will stay healthy is Lebron.
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That wouldnt surprise me at all.
It wouldn't surprise me, but I'm not willing to go so far as to say it's probable. Prior to last season, Nash has missed an average of 3.7 games per year over the last eleven seasons. But now, because he had a couple of minor injuries last year, he's "injury prone".
Does that make any sense at all to you?
Hmm, true, I guess I should rescind my comment, Gordon missing a 3rd of the games I would say is likely, Nash playing with minutes limitations for most of the season I would say is also likely.
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
The defensive criticism, I totally understand. I don't see how it makes sense to project that Nash misses a quarter of the season, though, when that's happened once in more than a decade.
If you do that, I think you need to make similarly negative projections about Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Emeka Okafor, Nene, Wade, etc., etc. Pretty much the only star player you can guarantee will stay healthy is Lebron.
Roy he isn't 29-36 anymore. He will be 40. His health from a decade ago isn't relevant. His health from 5 years ago isn't relevant. Once you hit the age he is at, you are in rare air when it comes to expectations of being able to play, never mind being able to play at a high level and not miss games. I don't think it unreasonable at all for people to assume he is going to miss a bunch of games especially after doing so last year at the age of 38-39 and having to be receiving epidural shots for a portion of this summer.
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
The defensive criticism, I totally understand. I don't see how it makes sense to project that Nash misses a quarter of the season, though, when that's happened once in more than a decade.
If you do that, I think you need to make similarly negative projections about Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Emeka Okafor, Nene, Wade, etc., etc. Pretty much the only star player you can guarantee will stay healthy is Lebron.
Roy he isn't 29-36 anymore. He will be 40. His health from a decade ago isn't relevant. His health from 5 years ago isn't relevant. Once you hit the age he is at, you are in rare air when it comes to expectations of being able to play, never mind being able to play at a high level and not miss games. I don't think it unreasonable at all for people to assume he is going to miss a bunch of games especially after doing so last year at the age of 38-39 and having to be receiving epidural shots for a portion of this summer.
Like I said, if you do it with Nash (who has a remarkably clean health history), I think you need to do it with everyone. Declining to do so makes an arbitrary exercise even more so.
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
The defensive criticism, I totally understand. I don't see how it makes sense to project that Nash misses a quarter of the season, though, when that's happened once in more than a decade.
If you do that, I think you need to make similarly negative projections about Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Emeka Okafor, Nene, Wade, etc., etc. Pretty much the only star player you can guarantee will stay healthy is Lebron.
Roy he isn't 29-36 anymore. He will be 40. His health from a decade ago isn't relevant. His health from 5 years ago isn't relevant. Once you hit the age he is at, you are in rare air when it comes to expectations of being able to play, never mind being able to play at a high level and not miss games. I don't think it unreasonable at all for people to assume he is going to miss a bunch of games especially after doing so last year at the age of 38-39 and having to be receiving epidural shots for a portion of this summer.
Like I said, if you do it with Nash (who has a remarkably clean health history), I think you need to do it with everyone. Declining to do so makes an arbitrary exercise even more so.
I think if you do it with nash you have to do it with other 40 year old pg's. But the reasoning behind the hesitance on nash doesnt apply to a player like Chris Paul. I think its his age as much as his health that is causing the issue.
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I think if you do it with nash you have to do it with other 40 year old pg's. But the reasoning behind the hesitance on nash doesnt apply to a player like Chris Paul. I think its his age as much as his health that is causing the issue.
Well, you better watch out then, because I'm projecting your 38 year old SG to miss 74 games. ;D
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Turning away from the Fake NBA, I am really curious to see how the real Lakers start the season with Nash and Pau front and center. They probably don't have enough around them to do too much but I could see some real fun chemistry there.
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In case you missed it MEMPHIS finally posted our Press Conference (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515) in the Southwest Divison thread.
Come see the best PG in the NBA lead the Grizzzzzzz to victory!
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Say, and as the miles pile up, Nowitzki goes down with an injury, how would they do in your opinion?
Completely hypothetical btw
Where would Minnesota be if Lebron goes down with an injury? Where would Orlando be if Kobe goes down with an injury? It's sort of obvious if one of your best players goes down with injury, your team's going to move back quite a bit. The only difference is the likelihood of it, and considering Dirk's style of play, his injury history, and the fact that this Lakers team won't be needing him to play significant minutes in the regular season, I don't see why anyone would believe so.
Also, I am surprised that the Lakers have been ranked a non-playoff team. Obviously I'm not going to brag and say we're clear cut #1's (this league is way too talented and competitive for any team to make that case), but we're at the very least a lock to be a playoff team. Even if you question Calderon's injury history and Dirk's age, we have the depth to get through the regular season by far. We have a versatile defense as well as easily the most efficient offense in the league. I don't recall the last time a team with both a top 10 offense and defense misses the playoffs. And while none of our players are spectacular individual talents outside of Dirk, each player on our roster is dynamic and can contribute in many facets of the game; the only exception is LRMAM, but he's one of the best defensive specialists in the league. Furthermore, they all complement each other greatly and I can't count many teams who have assembled a better fitting group than the Lakers. Again, since this post might easily come off as bragging, I want to clarify that I totally understand everyone has differing opinions, and I'm not expecting the Lakers to be your #1 seed. But I think we are one of the few teams in the West that can be called a lock for the playoffs.
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I don't recall the last time a team with both a top 10 offense and defense misses the playoffs.
I definitely don't think you have a top-10 defense. Not with Calderon and Dirk as starters, and good-but-not-elite defenders in Pondexter and Matthews.
I liked your defense a bit better when LMAM was playing, because at least he could viably defend PFs. Pondexter can't do that, and I don't think Matthews can defend most PGs. That means your weak defenders can't be hidden, meaning they'll need constant help. That's going to open up holes for other teams to attack.
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For whatever it's worth, a 38 year old Steve Nash was an all-star just a season ago, finishing first in the league in assists and assist percentage (and second in assists per game), and 3rd in eFG%. A very poor Phoenix team finished in the top-10 in offensive efficiency, due almost exclusively to Nash.
Steve Nash had a tough year partly due to injuries, and partly because he plays with the biggest non-PG ball hog in the NBA. Despite that, he was still top-5 in 3PT%, had an eFG% of .557, and had a TS% of .605 (which is his career average).
I really think the move to LA has made some folks forget just how good of an offensive player Steve Nash still is, and just how well he runs offenses that aren't centered exclusively around Kobe Chucker Bryant.
I'm with Roy on this one. The Lakers were incredibly dysfunctional last season and it's unfair to value Nash based off that train wreck team. Nash might be old but his game ages as well as anybody, similar to Dirk (who doesn't love some shameless advertising?). That being said, Nash definitely can't play the 31-34 minutes he had been getting his last few years in Phoenix - not for a whole regular season, at least. Dallas has Brandon Knight as the PG next in line, and well... it's Brandon Knight.
I do think it's fair to dock Dallas for their PG situation, but not because of the reasons being said so far.
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I definitely don't think you have a top-10 defense. Not with Calderon and Dirk as starters, and good-but-not-elite defenders in Pondexter and Matthews.
I liked your defense a bit better when LMAM was playing, because at least he could viably defend PFs. Pondexter can't do that, and I don't think Matthews can defend most PGs. That means your weak defenders can't be hidden, meaning they'll need constant help. That's going to open up holes for other teams to attack.
Maybe you can explain to me why you see Dirk as a negative on defense, because I'm certainly not seeing it. Furthermore, like I've stated numerous times, the SF will be sort of a rotating door that's based off matchups. If we face a Lebron or Durant where matchups require LRMAM, he'll be inserted into the lineup. Also, while Pondexter might not have the track record to be called anything better than a good defender, I'd definitely call Matthews an elite defender.
For me, the only weak link for our defense is PG with Calderon and Barea, but like I've pointed out, the same can be said for many other teams. I also shouldn't go without saying that Calderon's "bad" defense has been blown out to ridiculous proportions here - yes he's bad, but it's as if some people think he's playing defense on a wheelchair. But anyway, beyond the PG, we have the most versatile defense in the league that definitely should be top 10 - can you name 10 teams that will have better defense than us?
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I definitely don't think you have a top-10 defense. Not with Calderon and Dirk as starters, and good-but-not-elite defenders in Pondexter and Matthews.
I liked your defense a bit better when LMAM was playing, because at least he could viably defend PFs. Pondexter can't do that, and I don't think Matthews can defend most PGs. That means your weak defenders can't be hidden, meaning they'll need constant help. That's going to open up holes for other teams to attack.
Maybe you can explain to me why you see Dirk as a negative on defense, because I'm certainly not seeing it. Furthermore, like I've stated numerous times, the SF will be sort of a rotating door that's based off matchups. If we face a Lebron or Durant where matchups require LRMAM, he'll be inserted into the lineup. Also, while Pondexter might not have the track record to be called anything better than a good defender, I'd definitely call Matthews an elite defender.
For me, the only weak link for our defense is PG with Calderon and Barea, but like I've pointed out, the same can be said for many other teams. I also shouldn't go without saying that Calderon's "bad" defense has been blown out to ridiculous proportions here - yes he's bad, but it's as if some people think he's playing defense on a wheelchair. But anyway, beyond the PG, we have the most versatile defense in the league that definitely should be top 10 - can you name 10 teams that will have better defense than us?
I can name one. Denver Nuggets.
(don't hate the player, hate the game. ;D)
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I try to avoid often injured players like the plague in these games because i find it's not worth the effort/frustration to defend. As such I am probably more critical of players with injury histories than others. But I think it would be very feasible for Dallas to not have Nash or Gordon starting for a third of the season this coming year. That wouldnt surprise me at all.
I agree with all of this. Injuries are a huge knock, IMHO.
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I can name one. Denver Nuggets.
(don't hate the player, hate the game. ;D)
Well, I do like your team and I have it making the playoffs, but defense isn't a driving reason. Your best two defenders play the same position (and are legitimate injury risks), and Webster/Lee are the only two other guys who are a clear plus on that end of the court. Lowry/Chandler are way too inconsistent, Lillard is still learning the ropes, and Monroe is meh - he uses his body well but doesn't have much else going for him defensively. The potential to put Lee/Webster/Varejao/Bogut out on the court on the same time as a defensive-minded unit is a nice commodity to have though. I think you have a competent defensive team, but I wouldn't say it's better than the Lakers ;)
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
Omer Asik, George Hill, MWP, and Kobe think so too.
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
Yeah Golden State
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I can name one. Denver Nuggets.
(don't hate the player, hate the game. ;D)
Well, I do like your team and I have it making the playoffs, but defense isn't a driving reason. Your best two defenders play the same position (and are legitimate injury risks), and Webster/Lee are the only two other guys who are a clear plus on that end of the court. Lowry/Chandler are way too inconsistent, Lillard is still learning the ropes, and Monroe is meh - he uses his body well but doesn't have much else going for him defensively. The potential to put Lee/Webster/Varejao/Bogut out on the court on the same time as a defensive-minded unit is a nice commodity to have though. I think you have a competent defensive team, but I wouldn't say it's better than the Lakers ;)
Don't forget Lowry. If anything else, he's known as a tough defender against PG's.
And Monroe, I agree in a sense of, he is slow, but not for lack of effort. He knows where to position and is still tough to just out muscles down low. But he's just darn slow footed. :'(
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
Omer Asik, George Hill, MWP, and Kobe think so too.
Aha! There we go. Orlando was the team I was forgetting about.
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
Omer Asik, George Hill, MWP, and Kobe think so too.
Aha! There we go. Orlando was the team I was forgetting about.
No worries - in looking for support I learned that Kobe has exactly as many 1st and 2nd team All-Defense awards as KG. Seems very wrong somehow.
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No worries - in looking for support I learned that Kobe has exactly as many 1st and 2nd team All-Defense awards as KG. Seems very wrong somehow.
I suppose it wouldn't be as fun giving it to Raja Bell :P
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Don't get me wrong, I find Nash to be one of the three best floor generals and passers in the game and when he will be on the floor(my projection is probably about 60-65 regular season games and all the playoffs because he is a tough dude) the offense in Dallas will be excellent.
But I don't think his defense will improve and its been poor for years. And I don't like the fact that Jefferson will be the guy holding down the last line of defense from oncoming PGs getting into the paint past Nash.
I still think Dallas a good team. Just not the West's best.
The defensive criticism, I totally understand. I don't see how it makes sense to project that Nash misses a quarter of the season, though, when that's happened once in more than a decade.
If you do that, I think you need to make similarly negative projections about Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Emeka Okafor, Nene, Wade, etc., etc. Pretty much the only star player you can guarantee will stay healthy is Lebron.
Roy he isn't 29-36 anymore. He will be 40. His health from a decade ago isn't relevant. His health from 5 years ago isn't relevant. Once you hit the age he is at, you are in rare air when it comes to expectations of being able to play, never mind being able to play at a high level and not miss games. I don't think it unreasonable at all for people to assume he is going to miss a bunch of games especially after doing so last year at the age of 38-39 and having to be receiving epidural shots for a portion of this summer.
Like I said, if you do it with Nash (who has a remarkably clean health history), I think you need to do it with everyone. Declining to do so makes an arbitrary exercise even more so.
I don't believe I said I wouldn't do it with everyone. I have always taken expected rookie contributions, injuries, game decline due to age and other possible effects into consideration in this game. Just ask The Walker Wiggle or IP who's teams I have discounted because of either injuries or expected rookie contributions in the past, as well as a certain CB Draft winning Crotornat team from a few years back. I think I have been pretty consistent in that.
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
TP to someone for recognizing just how good the Bucks can be on defense.
I have two elite defenders at rather important positions (PG/SF), and another very solid defender at C. My 6th man (Ariza) is also a very good wing defender. PF is somewhat of a weakness on D, but Reggie Evans can fill in when stops are needed. He's not sexy, or elite, but physical and competent. Evans also rebounds like nobodies business, minute for minute there really aren't any better rebounders.
Conley, Ariza, George, Evans and Okafor would make a nasty defensive lineup (while somewhat deficient on offense). Obviously that is a situational lineup lineup, but still very good for end of game situations, where Conley and George are both good in the clutch, and Ariza is a threat from 3pt range.
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With your team's defense, I think a lot boils down to what people think about Okafor. He's only 6'10 and not the flashiest name around, but he gets the job done. His advanced metrics are excellent, and I think he's more than capable of anchoring a playoff team's defense. Others might not feel the same way.
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With your team's defense, I think a lot boils down to what people think about Okafor. He's only 6'10 and not the flashiest name around, but he gets the job done. His advanced metrics are excellent, and I think he's more than capable of anchoring a playoff team's defense. Others might not feel the same way.
I think Okafor is a solid defense C, though he takes away offensively much of what he brings on D.
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Also, Emeka Okafor as an injury concern, hogwash. In 9 seasons he had two seasons where he had an injury which caused him to miss time. One other season he missed almost 20 games. There's really no pattern to be found there. In 6 of his nine seasosn he has played at least 72 games and and in 7 of nine played at least 2000 minutes.
Not in my house!
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I think Okafor is a solid defense C, though he takes away offensively much of what he brings on D.
Agreed; fortunately Milwaukee won't have to rely on their center for offensive production.
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I think Okafor is a solid defense C, though he takes away offensively much of what he brings on D.
Agreed; fortunately Milwaukee won't have to rely on their center for offensive production.
I should have hired you for my PR firm. :D
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FWIW, here are the teams who I think have better defense than the Lakers:
Minnesota (#1 defense in the league IMO)
Cleveland (but only as long as G-Wall is a fixture in their rotation; otherwise we're about even)
Oklahoma City
Milwaukee
Washington has a case because of their very solid starting lineup, but their bench is completely devoid of defense.
I do have a feeling I missed a team...
Omer Asik, George Hill, MWP, and Kobe think so too.
Also a team I think is going under the radar for its defense. Kobe isn't lockdown anymore, but is still savvy in guarding passing lanes.
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Kobe doesn't really play the passing lanes as much as he just plays lazy on that side of the court.
Giving him credit for that is like crediting Wade for creating the cherry pick dunks when he doesn't bother to get back while whining to the refs. Occasionally you get something from it, but on the whole....
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Kobe doesn't really play the passing lanes as much as he just plays lazy.
During the regular season, yes. he definitely conserves energy defensively(laziness) to have the energy to perform offensively. No question about that.
I think the playoffs are an entirely different animal for Kobe though and he brings his entire two way game then.
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Kobe doesn't really play the passing lanes as much as he just plays lazy on that side of the court.
Giving him credit for that is like crediting Wade for creating the cherry pick dunks when he doesn't bother to get back while whining to the refs. Occasionally you get something from it, but on the whole....
This is true to an extent. Kobe just seems to pick and choose his moments these days. I have seen him just flat out leave shooters wide open. I've also seen him try hard and play very good D.
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Ah, Nick, you beat me to it.
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Ah, Nick, you beat me to it.
I'm fast man.....
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West
(Lakers)
1. Thunder
2. Rockets
3. Timberwolves
4. Spurs
5. Mavericks
6. Grizzlies
7. Nuggets
8. Suns
9. Warriors
10. Blazers
11. Clippers
East
1. Heat
2. Knicks
3. Bucks
4. Cavaliers
5. Magic
6. Wizards
7. Celtics
8. Pacers
9. Hawks
10. Bulls
11. Nets
12. 76ers
13. Pistons
- Admittedly, the Phoenix ranking was based more on a lack of a presser than anything else. I would easily have ranked this a playoff team otherwise.
- The East was actually harder to rank than the West for me. It's less competitive but so is the disparity between teams. The Bucks and Cavaliers can easily be interchanged, and I probably spent more time on the Eastern rankings from #5 onward than I did for everything else.
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Kobe doesn't really play the passing lanes as much as he just plays lazy.
During the regular season, yes. he definitely conserves energy defensively(laziness) to have the energy to perform offensively. No question about that.
I think the playoffs are an entirely different animal for Kobe though and he brings his entire two way game then.
His last two playoff runs I saw all the same lapses, though somewhat less frequently. Still a negative defensive presence in my view. Though not a crippling one.
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Coming off a torn achilles, I am expecting Kobe to be a liability defensively next season.
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West
(Lakers)
1. Thunder
2. Rockets
3. Timberwolves
4. Spurs
5. Mavericks
6. Grizzlies
7. Nuggets
8. Suns
9. Warriors
10. Blazers
11. Clippers
East
1. Heat
2. Knicks
3. Bucks
4. Cavaliers
5. Magic
6. Wizards
7. Celtics
8. Pacers
9. Hawks
10. Bulls
11. Nets
12. 76ers
13. Pistons
- Admittedly, the Phoenix ranking was based more on a lack of a presser than anything else. I would easily have ranked this a playoff team otherwise.
- The East was actually harder to rank than the West for me. It's less competitive but so is the disparity between teams. The Bucks and Cavaliers can easily be interchanged, and I probably spent more time on the Eastern rankings from #5 onward than I did for everything else.
Whoah Hawks out of the playoffs. RT
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Haha...I have the Hawks at #2 in the east
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Whoah Hawks out of the playoffs. RT
Yep, goes to show how closely I viewed the back end of the Eastern playoffs race. In the end I felt that Atlanta had more holes than the others, and was one of those teams that are a better postseason team than a regular season team - except that it doesn't have the tools to reach the postseason. It's a shame because I really tried my best to try to fit it in the back end of the Eastern playoffs; I certainly don't think it's anywhere close to being a top 4 team like some others have them though.
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You may have missed it but lots of interesting disucssion HERE (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515) about how per Sinergy Sports the Memphis Grizzlies are teh best team in Celticsblog draft (evah...)
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You may have missed it but lots of interesting disucssion HERE (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515) about how per Sinergy Sports the Memphis Grizzlies are teh best team in Celticsblog draft (evah...)
All I see are raw stats and PER...
Where's the PPP for/against?
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Whoah Hawks out of the playoffs. RT
Yep, goes to show how closely I viewed the back end of the Eastern playoffs race. In the end I felt that Atlanta had more holes than the others, and was one of those teams that are a better postseason team than a regular season team - except that it doesn't have the tools to reach the postseason. It's a shame because I really tried my best to try to fit it in the back end of the Eastern playoffs; I certainly don't think it's anywhere close to being a top 4 team like some others have them though.
Wade, Pierce, Boozer, Nene not making the playoffs is kinda unimaginable in my mind.
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Whoah Hawks out of the playoffs. RT
Yep, goes to show how closely I viewed the back end of the Eastern playoffs race. In the end I felt that Atlanta had more holes than the others, and was one of those teams that are a better postseason team than a regular season team - except that it doesn't have the tools to reach the postseason. It's a shame because I really tried my best to try to fit it in the back end of the Eastern playoffs; I certainly don't think it's anywhere close to being a top 4 team like some others have them though.
Wade, Pierce, Boozer, Nene not making the playoffs is kinda unimaginable in my mind.
Depends if the Mon-Stars visit.
I mean its unlikely, but it has happened....
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Wade, Pierce, Boozer, Nene not making the playoffs is kinda unimaginable in my mind.
Same could be said for Williams, Durant, and Allen not making the playoffs.
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Voted. Good luck fellas and lady fellas.
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My playoff teams (not in order).
East: Bucks, Hawks, Pacers, Magic, Heat, Knicks, Celtics, Wizards, [Cavs]
West: Warriors, Thunder, T'wolves, Grizz, Suns, Rockets, Lakers, Mavs
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Wade, Pierce, Boozer, Nene not making the playoffs is kinda unimaginable in my mind.
Same could be said for Williams, Durant, and Allen not making the playoffs.
Ray doesn't deserve to be on the level of those players (except Nene), but I do still have Indy just barely making the playoffs.
Just don't let Ray shoot the 3 with the game on the line. Not a winning proposition if you're the opposition.
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Here's my ballot - it was really, really tough to rank about 2/3rds of the teams. Most teams had some great strengths, but also at least one significant flaw, which I think means we all did a really good job assembling the rosters.
1.Miami
2.New York
3.Indiana
4.Atlanta
5.Cleveland
6.Boston
7.Milwaukee
8.Washington
9.Chicago
10.Brooklyn
11.Philadelphia
12.Detroit
1.OKC
2.Minnesota
3.Dallas
4.San Antonio
5.LAL
6.Houston
7.Phoenix
8.GS
9.Portland
10.Memphis
11.Denver
12.LAC
There are some teams I think will overperform or underperform their seed in the playoffs, this is just how I see it shaking out in the regular season.
If I've horribly underrated your team, please take some comfort in knowing it has nothing to do with your roster or how you presented it, but instead is due to a deep, irrational vendetta against you personally :P.
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Blazers dont appear to be getting much love outside of the one vote i saw that had portland 1.
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
HaHa thanks DL, you having me ranked first makes me think I actually deserve it cause i know we have had our differences in the past. TP for participating great to have people that arent managers voting.
:)
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Don't know if you think a Chris Paul-led team is really the worst in the West or MEM tardiness w/ a presser cost us.
It's HERE now if it's not too late (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515)
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Don't know if you think a Chris Paul-led team is really the worst in the West or MEM tardiness w/ a presser cost us.
It's HERE now if it's not too late (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515)
the first
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East
1) Atlanta
2) Cleveland
3) Indiana
4) Miami
5) Milwaukee
6) Chicago
7) New York
8 ) Washington
9) Orlando
10) Boston
11) Philadelphia
12) Brooklyn
13) Detroit
West
1) Golden State
2) OKC
3) Memphis
4) Lakers
5) SA
6) Clippers
7) Houston
8 ) Portland
9) Dallas
10) Denver
...angry at Phoenix for not being eligible.
...and obvious Minnesota is #1 in the West.
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Spurs
Spurs second worst in the West? In that scenario you're betting against Kevin Love and Danny Granger both?
What's CB's fascination with Nic Batum? I like his game, but he seems his best performanes, and there are some great ones, loom large and eclipse his generally average play. Check his playoffs stats if you don't believe me. My sixth man, Thadd Young is the same age and a better player. He doesn't hit the three or handle the ball, but he's still equals Nic's offensive output by shooting 10% better from the floor and rebounding, while contributing more on the defensive end.
13.4 PTS 42 FG% 37 3PT% 5.3 R 4.6 A 1.2 STL 1.1 BLK 17 TOV% 109 ORtg 1.7 DWS Batum
15.4 PTS 53 FG% 12 3PT% 7.8 R 1.7 A 1.8 STL 0.8 BLK 8 TOV% 109 ORtg 3.7 DWS Young
EDIT #s are per 36.
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Spurs
Spurs second worst in the West? In that scenario you're betting against Kevin Love and Danny Granger both?
What's CB's fascination with Nic Batum? My sixth man, Thadd Young is the same age and a better player. He doesn't hit the three or handle the ball, but he's still equals Nic's offensive output by shooting 10% better from the floor and rebounding, while contributing more on the defensive end.
13.4 PTS 42 FG% 37 3PT% 5.3 R 4.6 A 1.2 STL 1.1 BLK 17 TOV% 109 ORtg 1.7 DWS Batum
15.4 PTS 53 FG% 12 3PT% 7.8 R 1.7 A 1.8 STL 0.8 BLK 8 TOV% 109 ORtg 3.7 DWS Young
what do love and granger both have in common....injuries. outside of those two and iggy, ur team doesnt impress me as much as the other teams do in the west
and what does batum have anything to do with anything?
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Don't know if you think a Chris Paul-led team is really the worst in the West or MEM tardiness w/ a presser cost us.
It's HERE now if it's not too late (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515)
the first
wow... care to elaborate... It's no skin off my back, but I'm curious your line of thinking.
TP for your thoughts. :)
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So what am I missing about this Atlanta Hawks team?
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Don't know if you think a Chris Paul-led team is really the worst in the West or MEM tardiness w/ a presser cost us.
It's HERE now if it's not too late (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515)
the first
wow... care to elaborate... It's no skin off my back, but I'm curious your line of thinking.
TP for your thoughts. :)
u lack depth and star power. outside of cp3, you have mediocre/servicable players at best imo. ur team isnt bad imo, just the the west has a lot of good teams. someone has to be first and someone has to be last in this thing
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What's CB's fascination with Nic Batum? I like his game, but he seems his best performanes, and there are some great ones, loom large and eclipse his generally average play. Check his playoffs stats if you don't believe me. My sixth man, Thadd Young is the same age and a better player. He doesn't hit the three or handle the ball, but he's still equals Nic's offensive output by shooting 10% better from the floor and rebounding, while contributing more on the defensive end.
Much of Batum's "averageness" last season was a byproduct of being thrust into an impossible workload. He played a full 8 minutes more than the previous season, and was responsible for basically every fathomable role you can imagine on a team: defensive anchor, playmaker, perimeter threat, post player, so on. I like Thaddeus Young but he has nothing on Batum. Batum is one of the most versatile and underrated small forwards in the league.
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Just wondering, how much did star power play in your rankings? I think it's interesting how the Pacers, Clippers, Warriors, and Blazers are ranked so highly (at least in my opinion) whereas cohesive but less marketable teams such as the Bucks, Wizards, Lakers, Suns, Spurs, and Grizzlies are very low seeded.
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here is my vote:
Eastern Conference:
Pacers
Knicks
Cavs
Hawks
Bulls
Heat
Celtics
Magic
Bucks
Wizards
Nets
Pistons
Sixers
Western Conference:
Wolves
Mavs
Rockets
Warriors
Clippers
Thunder
Blazers
Nuggets
Lakers
Suns
Spurs
Grizzlies
Just wondering, how much did star power play in your rankings? I think it's interesting how the Pacers, Clippers, Warriors, and Blazers are ranked so highly (at least in my opinion) whereas cohesive but less marketable teams such as the Bucks, Wizards, Lakers, Suns, Spurs, and Grizzlies are very low seeded.
absolutely star power is a factor. In the nba game u need stars to win.
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what do love and granger both have in common....injuries. outside of those two and iggy, ur team doesnt impress me as much as the other teams do in the west
What do Love and Granger and the Mavericks and Knicks team you ranked at the top have in common... injuries.
Kevin Love 57 games per season. Danny Granger 64 games per season.
Ricky Rubio 42 games per season. Kevin Martin 57 games per season. Channing Frye 63 games per season. Brook Lopez 65 games per season. Jeff Green 66 games per season.
Dallas has Eric Gordon and his chronic injuries. 49 games per season. Steve Nash, 50 games last year, 62 the season before that and he'll turn 40 in February. Kaman average 61 games per season and has appeared in 66, 47, 32, over the past three years.
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absolutely star power is a factor. In the nba game u need stars to win.
Did you think about fit or depth at all? And like TWW, I also want to how you factored in injuries. Not that it affects my team, but it's unusual where you have ranked some more health-dependent teams.
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STATEMENT
So as people start to publish their votes, I want to say that I want all responses to be respectful and within the rules of everything we have done here so far. There is a ton of parity this year and after 16 votes, some wildly divergent ballots.
So not everyone is going to see things the same way so I would like to keep questions regarding ballots as cordial and non-confrontational as they can be. I am not saying they have not been thus far. I want to commend everyone on the ways things have gone down but when you see the all results you will see that this year, there is no consensus on team placement from ballot to ballot.
It should make things very interesting!!! :D
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what do love and granger both have in common....injuries. outside of those two and iggy, ur team doesnt impress me as much as the other teams do in the west
What do Love and Granger and the New York Knicks team you ranked second best in the East (?) have in common... injuries.
Kevin Love 57 games per season. Danny Granger 64 games per season.
Ricky Rubio 42 games per season. Kevin Martin 57 games per season. Channing Frye 63 games per season. Brook Lopez 65 games per season. Jeff Green 66 games per season.
there are differences, especially in depth. aside from zbo being a beast imo, hinrich is a starting level pg (and can be a combo guard)that is more than capable of handling the job if rubio is out (as is udrih)
like i said before, ur team outside of cp3, is a collection of mediocre/serviceable role players at best imo. i see no depth on ur team
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what do love and granger both have in common....injuries. outside of those two and iggy, ur team doesnt impress me as much as the other teams do in the west
What do Love and Granger and the New York Knicks team you ranked second best in the East (?) have in common... injuries.
Kevin Love 57 games per season. Danny Granger 64 games per season.
Ricky Rubio 42 games per season. Kevin Martin 57 games per season. Channing Frye 63 games per season. Brook Lopez 65 games per season. Jeff Green 66 games per season.
there are differences, especially in depth. aside from zbo being a beast imo, hinrich is a starting level pg (and can be a combo guard)that is more than capable of handling the job if rubio is out (as is udrih)
like i said before, ur team outside of cp3, is a collection of mediocre/serviceable role players at best imo. i see no depth on ur team
TWW is the Spurs:
Guards: Andre Iguodala, Kemba Walker, Marcus Thornton, Luke Ridnour, Toney Douglas
Forwards: Kevin Love, Danny Granger, Thaddeus Young, Luigi Datome, Donatas Motiejunas, DeMarre Carroll
Centers:JaVale McGee, Cody Zeller
Coach: Rick Carlisle
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STATEMENT
So as people start to publish their votes, I want to say that I want all responses to be respectful and within the rules of everything we have done here so far. There is a ton of parity this year and after 16 votes, some wildly divergent ballots.
So not everyone is going to see things the same way so I would like to keep questions regarding ballots as cordial and non-confrontational as they can be. I am not saying they have not been thus far. I want to commend everyone on the ways things have gone down but when you see the all results you will see that this year, there is no consensus on team placement from ballot to ballot.
It should make things very interesting!!! :D
thanks for posting this nick. people are catching feelings here
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What's CB's fascination with Nic Batum? I like his game, but he seems his best performanes, and there are some great ones, loom large and eclipse his generally average play. Check his playoffs stats if you don't believe me. My sixth man, Thadd Young is the same age and a better player. He doesn't hit the three or handle the ball, but he's still equals Nic's offensive output by shooting 10% better from the floor and rebounding, while contributing more on the defensive end.
Much of Batum's "averageness" last season was a byproduct of being thrust into an impossible workload. He played a full 8 minutes more than the previous season, and was responsible for basically every fathomable role you can imagine on a team: defensive anchor, playmaker, perimeter threat, post player, so on. I like Thaddeus Young but he has nothing on Batum. Batum is one of the most versatile and underrated small forwards in the league.
Most overrated. Where his numbers much better over the past two years?
Or check those awful playoff stats.
10-11 *his best performance*: 8 points on 41% shooting, 1.7 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.2 turnovers, 113 DRtg in 25 minutes per.
Young the same age, same year: 11.4 points on 42% shooting, 5.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 1.4 turnovers 111 DRtg in 25 minutes per.
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NEW PLAYERS
You must PM me your ballot if you want it to count. Publishing it here in the thread does not count as a cast ballot.
Please see this:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67476.0
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what do love and granger both have in common....injuries. outside of those two and iggy, ur team doesnt impress me as much as the other teams do in the west
What do Love and Granger and the New York Knicks team you ranked second best in the East (?) have in common... injuries.
Kevin Love 57 games per season. Danny Granger 64 games per season.
Ricky Rubio 42 games per season. Kevin Martin 57 games per season. Channing Frye 63 games per season. Brook Lopez 65 games per season. Jeff Green 66 games per season.
there are differences, especially in depth. aside from zbo being a beast imo, hinrich is a starting level pg (and can be a combo guard)that is more than capable of handling the job if rubio is out (as is udrih)
like i said before, ur team outside of cp3, is a collection of mediocre/serviceable role players at best imo. i see no depth on ur team
TWW is the Spurs:
Guards: Andre Iguodala, Kemba Walker, Marcus Thornton, Luke Ridnour, Toney Douglas
Forwards: Kevin Love, Danny Granger, Thaddeus Young, Luigi Datome, Donatas Motiejunas, DeMarre Carroll
Centers:JaVale McGee, Cody Zeller
Coach: Rick Carlisle
to be honest...multiple people are asking me questions at the same time about my voting and im getting people confused with what team they represent.
truth is, i printed out all the rosters and studied them, purposely leaving the gm's name not on the list, so it was purely on the list. i read pressers, i put in some posts in various threads during the whole draft.
i put in a lot of time breaking things down and thought into my vote. u guys don't like my vote, too bad. u have a legit question or problem....pm me
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absolutely star power is a factor. In the nba game u need stars to win.
Did you think about fit or depth at all? And like TWW, I also want to how you factored in injuries. Not that it affects my team, but it's unusual where you have ranked some more health-dependent teams.
absoletly i factored in "fit and depth"....u think i vote blindly or was naive? injuries factored in multiple ways. whether they will be healthy to start season, severity of injury, injury prone history, and the quality player thats injured and their role on a team (someone that is a focal point of the team's success having an injury is more impactful than a smaller piece to a larger puzzle)
see the following:
truth is, i printed out all the rosters and studied them, purposely leaving the gm's name not on the list, so it was purely on the list. i read pressers, i put in some posts in various threads during the whole draft.
i put in a lot of time breaking things down and thought into my vote. u guys don't like my vote, too bad. u have a legit question or problem....pm me
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Much of Batum's "averageness" last season was a byproduct of being thrust into an impossible workload. He played a full 8 minutes more than the previous season, and was responsible for basically every fathomable role you can imagine on a team: defensive anchor, playmaker, perimeter threat, post player, so on. I like Thaddeus Young but he has nothing on Batum. Batum is one of the most versatile and underrated small forwards in the league.
Here are Batum and Young per 36 at age 23, two seasons ago, when Batum wasn't so worn out. Although worth noting Young's minutes similarly jumped between 11-12 and 12-13.
16.4 PTS 45.1 FG% 5.4 REB 1.7 AST 1.1 STL 1.2 BLK 11.2 TOV% 112 ORtg 1.4 DWS Batum
16.6 PTS 50.7 FG% 6.7 REB 1.5 AST 1.2 STL 0.8 BLK 6.8 TOV% 111 ORtg 2.9 DWS Young
It's just that Batum's best performances are so good they tend to stand out in people's minds.
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absoletly i factored in "fit and depth"....u think i vote blindly or was naive? injuries factored in multiple ways. whether they will be healthy to start season, severity of injury, injury prone history, and the quality player thats injured and their role on a team (someone that is a focal point of the team's success having an injury is more impactful than a smaller piece to a larger puzzle)
Thanks for the reply. There were a few rankings that appeared to be a bit inconsistent with what you were saying so I just had to make sure that legitimate thought was put into your lists. Obviously it was simply a case of differing perspectives. Thanks for the effort you've put in to the league!
Here are Batum and Young at 23, two seasons ago, when Batum wasn't so worn out. Although worth noting Young's minutes similarly jumped between 11-12 and 12-13.
16.4 PTS 45.1 FG% 5.4 REB 1.7 AST 1.1 STL 1.2 BLK 11.2 TOV% 112 ORtg 1.4 DWS Batum
16.6 PTS 50.7 FG% 6.7 REB 1.5 AST 1.2 STL 0.8 BLK 6.8 TOV% 111 ORtg 2.9 DWS Young
It's just that Batum's classic games tend to jump out in people's minds.
Inconsistency is definitely Batum's biggest weakness right now, but it's definitely not something I'm worried about. Let's keep in mind that this is a guy who not only had to transition into the NBA, but had to do so being thrust into a multitude of roles in his team thanks to his versatility. Young is a solid post player and rebounder, but he doesn't have the perimeter range, playmaking, or defense to be the all-around player Batum is.
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i put in a lot of time breaking things down and thought into my vote. u guys don't like my vote, too bad. u have a legit question or problem....pm me
Hey, don't take it the wrong way, most people that get involved, even if they're not GMs, are willing to talk some basketball. For instance I like Hinrich but I prefer my guy Ridnour. I'm willing to bet Love will appear in more games in 13-14 than 40 in Februrary, Steve Nash. I'd love to knock Eric Gordon's injury history some more, if it helps me and my guy Danny Granger. But I don't want to offend. (Usually.)
Of course, everybody appreciates the vote, myself included. Thanks for taking the time.
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Here are Batum and Young per 36 at 23, two seasons ago, when Batum wasn't so worn out. Although worth noting Young's minutes similarly jumped between 11-12 and 12-13.
16.4 PTS 45.1 FG% 5.4 REB 1.7 AST 1.1 STL 1.2 BLK 11.2 TOV% 112 ORtg 1.4 DWS Batum
16.6 PTS 50.7 FG% 6.7 REB 1.5 AST 1.2 STL 0.8 BLK 6.8 TOV% 111 ORtg 2.9 DWS Young
It's just that Batum's classic games tend to jump out in people's minds.
Inconsistency is definitely Batum's biggest weakness right now, but it's definitely not something I'm worried about. Let's keep in mind that this is a guy who not only had to transition into the NBA, but had to do so being thrust into a multitude of roles in his team thanks to his versatility. Young is a solid post player and rebounder, but he doesn't have the perimeter range, playmaking, or defense to be the all-around player Batum is.
I agree about Batum's range and playmaking but the net gain offensively is a wash because Young finishes better and avoids turnovers and clanking long twos. You'll also note that in Nic's best season he and Thadd had nearly identical assist averages.
And defensively, Young posts nearly identical STOCK #s and scores consistently better in the various defensive metrics available. Counterpoint?
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I agree about Batum's range and playmaking. Although you'll note that in Nic's best season he and Thadd had nearly identical assist averages.
But defensively, Young posts nearly identical STOCK #s and scores consistently better in the various defensive metrics available. Counterpoint?
I'm not seeing a season where Thaddeus eclipses 2 assists per game, let alone 4. Furthermore, I'm not sure what stocks have to do with actual defensive ability, but if you are going to use them, I don't see a season where Thad Young has posted both 1+ steal and block, which is more impressive than simply racking about 2 in one of those categories IMO. As for defensive metrics, like I've discussed in a lengthy debate with Roy, the only one I really trust is Synergy, and I even have a few conditions with that. However, Synergy puts Batum and Young as defensive equals, but keep in mind that Batum gets tougher defensive assignments, covers more positions, and has to expend energy on a lot more facets of the game.
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I agree about Batum's range and playmaking. Although you'll note that in Nic's best season he and Thadd had nearly identical assist averages.
But defensively, Young posts nearly identical STOCK #s and scores consistently better in the various defensive metrics available. Counterpoint?
I'm not seeing a season where Thaddeus eclipses 2 assists per game, let alone 4. Furthermore, I'm not sure what stocks have to do with actual defensive ability, but if you are going to use them, I don't see a season where Thad Young has posted both 1+ steal and block, which is more impressive than simply racking about 2 in one of those categories IMO. As for defensive metrics, like I've discussed in a lengthy debate with Roy, the only one I really trust is Synergy, and I even have a few conditions with that. However, Synergy puts Batum and Young as defensive equals, but keep in mind that Batum gets tougher defensive assignments, covers more positions, and has to expend energy on a lot more facets of the game.
Thaddeus didn't average over 2 assists but neither did Batum. Nic also turned the ball over almost twice as often. I went back a season for comparison's sake, to give some weight to your argument that Nic played too many minutes in 12-13 and struggled. But Young and Batum's #s are even more similar at 23 than at 24, where Nic posted 4+ assists per but Young otherwise outplayed Nic.
Agree that none of the defensive metrics are definitive, but I'm generally skeptical of any argument that can't find any statistical support. PPP, Defensive Rating, DWS all rate Young as equal or better defensively because he is Batum's equal or better on that end. As for versatility, wouldn't you rather have a guy that defends two positions well than three positions not so well? Also, Young has been drawing the 76ers toughest assignments since Iguodala was shipped to Denver.
EDIT - I mention STOCKS because I figure it's were Batum rates out well. He forces turnovers and blocks shots, he doesn't really lock anybody down.
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West Playoff teams in no particular order:
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
Minnesota Timberwolves
OKC Thunder
GS Warriors
Houston Rockets
Portland Trailblazers
San Antonio Spurs
This is not my final decision so if your team is not up there you can try to convince me on why your team should be in the playoffs.
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If Batum's defense was scaled down to where he'd guard SG/SFs he matches up well with, I'm willing to bet he'd put up numbers better than Thad. Blazers have Batum defend 3+ positions out of necessity; outside of Matthews, who also happens to be a SG/SF defender, the Blazers didn't have any other plus defenders at PG/PF - Aldridge primarily guarded centers, although I may be wrong. The Portland team as a whole was a bottom 5 defensive team though.
Any time you can successfully lock down Kobe Bryant in your rookie year, you can lock down anybody in my eyes. Again, if Batum didn't have to divert so much attention to other areas of the game, I'm sure he would have a lot more appealing defensive stats. Just being on a better defensive team that doesn't rank bottom 5 would be a plus (in case you're wondering, Philly was middle of the pack at 15th). However, at this point, my argument becomes more subjective than anything so this might be something where we have to agree to disagree.
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West Playoff teams in no particular order:
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
Minnesota Timberwolves
OKC Thunder
GS Warriors
Houston Rockets
Portland Trailblazers
San Antonio Spurs
This is not my final decision so try to convince me on why your team should be in the playoffs or be ranked higher.
Los Angeles Lakers: When was the last time a team had a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense and still missed the playoffs? For reference, the only two teams with those stats last year were Oklahoma City and Miami.
And if you don't believe the Lakers are top 5 offense and top 10 defense, feel free to list 5 teams that outdo us on offense and 10 teams that outdo us on defense. Personally I have the Lakers at #1 offense and #6 defense.
Furthermore, the Lakers lack the injury concerns and/or chemistry/fit issues that some of the above teams do.
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West Playoff teams in no particular order:
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
Minnesota Timberwolves
OKC Thunder
GS Warriors
Houston Rockets
Portland Trailblazers
San Antonio Spurs
This is not my final decision so try to convince me on why your team should be in the playoffs or be ranked higher.
Los Angeles Lakers: When was the last time a team had a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense and still missed the playoffs? For reference, the only two teams with those stats last year were Oklahoma City and Miami.
And if you don't believe the Lakers are top 5 offense and top 10 defense, feel free to list 5 teams that outdo us on offense and 10 teams that outdo us on defense. Personally I have the Lakers at #1 offense and #6 defense.
Furthermore, the Lakers lack the injury concerns and/or chemistry/fit issues that some of the above teams do.
Offensive teams I think are better in no particular order:
GS Warriors
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
Portland Trailblazers (stopped at 5 as you ranked your team in top 5)
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Offensive teams I think are better in no particular order:
GS Warriors
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
Portland Trailblazers (stopped at 5 as you ranked your team in top 5)
Warriors: Roy Hibbert is a center who has never eclipsed 50 FG% in his entire career. Derozan is one of the most inefficient scorers in the league. There is no clear timetable for Rondo's return.
Mavericks: Valid team, and I personally have them #3. The only difference is that the dropoff between Nash and Knight is huge, and you know Nash won't be exceeding 30 minutes a night and will need to take days off - if you're a pessimist, you also have the injury factor with him. The offense is also reliant on Eric Gordon, which is sort of self-explanatory. When fully healthy and Nash playing 30+, I do agree this offense will be better than LA. Problem is, there's 82 games to get through before the postseason. Oh, and Josh Smith...
Rockets: Another valid team. I have them at #2, and it's understandable why you could see them ahead of us.
Pacers: Ray Allen is largely a spot-up shooter right now. Williams is a great PG but his big men targets are a declining PF who is probably playing more minutes than he should, and a defensive-minded C. Stuckey is as inconsistent of a sixth man as they come. D-Will and Durant are good but they only go so far. Williams/Allen/Durant/Scola will ensure that this team's offense is good, but not great.
Blazers: [REDACTED] With Jennings, Johnson, and Melo on the team, they might be the best offensive team in terms of volume, but certainly not efficiency. Not even close.
WARNING: This type of confrontational manner will get you kicked out of this game. You have been warned.
EDIT: How was that confrontational? I have been very conscious to make sure that nothing I have said is offensive, particularly with dark lord, and the statement in question here was hardly aggressive IMO - ronaldo certainly took no offense.
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Warriors: Roy Hibbert is a center who has never eclipsed 50 FG% in his entire career. Derozan is one of the most inefficient scorers in the league. There is no clear timetable for Rondo's return.
Mavericks: Valid team, and I personally have them #3. The only difference is that the dropoff between Nash and Knight is huge, and you know Nash won't be exceeding 30 minutes a night and will need to take days off - if you're a pessimist, you also have the injury factor with him. The offense is also reliant on Eric Gordon, which is sort of self-explanatory. When fully healthy and Nash playing 30+, I do agree this offense will be better than LA. Problem is, there's 82 games to get through before the postseason. Oh, and Josh Smith...
Rockets: Another valid team. I have them at #2, and it's understandable why you could see them ahead of us.
Pacers: Ray Allen is largely a spot-up shooter right now. Williams is a great PG but his big men targets are a declining PF who is probably playing more minutes than he should, and a defensive-minded C. Stuckey is as inconsistent of a sixth man as they come. D-Will and Durant are good but they only go so far. Williams/Allen/Durant/Scola will ensure that this team's offense is good, but not great.
Blazers: Can you say they'll be a top 5 offensive team with Jennings, Johnson, and Melo with a straight face? They might be the best offensive team in terms of volume, but certainly not efficiency. Not even close.
Warriors: Derozan shot .445% FG last season.
Pacers: A team led by KD and D-Will will always be better than one led by Dirk, Gasol, and Calderon and it's not close.
Blazers: Take out Jennings and yes I could. Melo shot .449 last season and led the league in scoring.
Also rebounding is an issue with your team. (Part of the reason why I have them at #9 in the West)
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44.5 FG% is average but his TS% has been in the low .500s for three straight seasons. He has no perimeter game which means that floor spacing will be difficult with a Rondo/Derozan backcourt.
I think you're severely underrating the potency of an offense led by Dirk, Gasol, and Calderon, but I don't blame you; KD and D-Will are flashier names. But even counting them, that's three teams including Dallas and Houston.
And I'd have an easier time believing in Portland's offense if they didn't have Jennings, too. Unfortunately, they do.
To put it in another perspective: 4 of our 5 starters have career TS% above 57%. In Pondexter's breakout year last season, his TS% was 56.5%. 4 of our starters are lethal perimeter threats and our center can take his jumper right below the three-point line. Calderon put up a 4.11 AST/TO in two bottom 10 offenses, and now he's working with a competent offense that features two of the best bigs off the pick in addition to some of the best three-point shooters in the game.
I definitely agree that rebounding is a weakness for our team, but rebounding hasn't correlated with success in recent years. Obviously, Boston wasn't a strong rebounding team with Bass/KG. Last year's Finalists, San Antonio and Miami, were both in the bottom half of the league in rebounding.
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I've made my final changes, Nick where do I send?
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West
(Lakers)
1. Thunder
2. Rockets
3. Timberwolves
4. Spurs
5. Mavericks
6. Grizzlies
7. Nuggets
8. Suns
9. Warriors
10. Blazers
11. Clippers
East
1. Heat
2. Knicks
3. Bucks
4. Cavaliers
5. Magic
6. Wizards
7. Celtics
8. Pacers
9. Hawks
10. Bulls
11. Nets
12. 76ers
13. Pistons
- Admittedly, the Phoenix ranking was based more on a lack of a presser than anything else. I would easily have ranked this a playoff team otherwise.
- The East was actually harder to rank than the West for me. It's less competitive but so is the disparity between teams. The Bucks and Cavaliers can easily be interchanged, and I probably spent more time on the Eastern rankings from #5 onward than I did for everything else.
Warriors out of the playoffs? With rondo and la?
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Warriors out of the playoffs? With rondo and la?
I will admit the Suns and Warriors were tough outs. The Suns were easier to eliminate because they didn't show up for their presser, but here's reasoning for the Warriors:
You have three guys returning from ACL injuries. Now, I'm pretty lenient with injuries so I'm viewing Lou and Rush as fully healthy for the whole season next year. However, with recent speculation and reports of an uncertain timetable, I can't help but think that there's a very real chance Rondo will be missing parts of the regular season - and unfortunately, he's one of the most important members to your team. Without Rondo, I have no idea who is going to initiate this offense (Lou Williams?) considering your backup PG is not a playmaking PG.
Beyond health, I have concerns for a Rondo/Derozan backcourt, because it creates little floor spacing for the rest of the team. You could bring up Rondo/Bradley as a poor shooting backcourt which is successful, but Bradley has shown glimpses of being at least average from the corner three, makes smarter cuts, and is a far bigger plus on the defensive end than Derozan.
To be clear, your team isn't bad. Not even close. If I broke it down to tiers, you'd be a definite step above from the Blazers and Clippers. However, there's going to be victims in a very balanced league, and unfortunately I couldn't find faults as big as yours in the other teams I ranked above yours. I am seeing your team in a lot of other rankings so fingers crossed that you'll make it into the playoffs because you're team is definitely deserving (although that means another deserving team would miss out).
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West tentative rankings:
Timberwolves
Spurs
Lakers
Thunder
Grizzlies
Rockets
Blazers
Mavs (tied)
Clips (tied)
Warriors (tied 2)
Nugs (tied 2)
Suns
I could see every team aside from the Suns making the playoffs. Tell me why Im wrong.
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I've made my final changes, Nick where do I send?
PM me with your rankings. Guidelines here:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67476.0
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West tentative rankings:
Timberwolves
Spurs
Lakers
Thunder
Grizzlies
Rockets
Blazers
Mavs (tied)
Clips (tied)
Warriors (tied 2)
Nugs (tied 2)
Suns
I could see every team aside from the Suns making the playoffs. Tell me why Im wrong.
Truthfully, you pulled these out of a hat, didn't you? ;D
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Don't know if you think a Chris Paul-led team is really the worst in the West or MEM tardiness w/ a presser cost us.
It's HERE now if it's not too late (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67442.msg1547515#msg1547515)
the first
wow... care to elaborate... It's no skin off my back, but I'm curious your line of thinking.
TP for your thoughts. :)
u lack depth and star power. outside of cp3, you have mediocre/servicable players at best imo. ur team isnt bad imo, just the the west has a lot of good teams. someone has to be first and someone has to be last in this thing
Thanks DL -- even though we differ on MEM's chances we do agree that the teams throughout the CB Draft are much closer together in talent this year.
Thanks for voting! Go Grizzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Warriors out of the playoffs? With rondo and la?
Well, if it makes you feel better, I have you in the playoffs.
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Warriors out of the playoffs? With rondo and la?
I will admit the Suns and Warriors were tough outs. The Suns were easier to eliminate because they didn't show up for their presser, but here's reasoning for the Warriors:
You have three guys returning from ACL injuries. Now, I'm pretty lenient with injuries so I'm viewing Lou and Rush as fully healthy for the whole season next year. However, with recent speculation and reports of an uncertain timetable, I can't help but think that there's a very real chance Rondo will be missing parts of the regular season - and unfortunately, he's one of the most important members to your team. Without Rondo, I have no idea who is going to initiate this offense (Lou Williams?) considering your backup PG is not a playmaking PG.
Beyond health, I have concerns for a Rondo/Derozan backcourt, because it creates little floor spacing for the rest of the team. You could bring up Rondo/Bradley as a poor shooting backcourt which is successful, but Bradley has shown glimpses of being at least average from the corner three, makes smarter cuts, and is a far bigger plus on the defensive end than Derozan.
To be clear, your team isn't bad. Not even close. If I broke it down to tiers, you'd be a definite step above from the Blazers and Clippers. However, there's going to be victims in a very balanced league, and unfortunately I couldn't find faults as big as yours in the other teams I ranked above yours. I am seeing your team in a lot of other rankings so fingers crossed that you'll make it into the playoffs because you're team is definitely deserving (although that means another deserving team would miss out).
Reggie Jackson was arguably the second best player on the thunder last year. Jason Kidd and Vince carter were pretty good for nj back in the day when Vince shot on average 35% from three. Derozan can score in other ways and its not like he's ever played with guys who get him open looks. He's a third or fourth option.
Plus my inside game is terrific. My defense and rebounding top notch and that always wins games. Look at the bulls without rose.
George hill and lance Stephenson?????
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Reggie Jackson was arguably the second best player on the thunder last year.
Can you make this argument? Genuinely, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I see Jackson as a decent player, but certainly not on the level of Westbrook, Ibaka, or Martin.
Did you mean second best bench player?
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Reggie Jackson was arguably the second best player on the thunder last year.
Can you make this argument? Genuinely, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I see Jackson as a decent player, but certainly not on the level of Westbrook, Ibaka, or Martin.
Did you mean second best bench player?
Yeah, I would like to hear that one myself. Jackson had a decent little year but, 2nd best player on the Thunder? I think I want to hear some clarification one that
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Reggie Jackson was arguably the second best player on the thunder last year.
Can you make this argument? Genuinely, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I see Jackson as a decent player, but certainly not on the level of Westbrook, Ibaka, or Martin.
Did you mean second best bench player?
Yeah, I would like to hear that one myself. Jackson had a decent little year but, 2nd best player on the Thunder? I think I want to hear some clarification one that
I think second best bench player seems about right definitely not second best player overall.
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Reggie Jackson was arguably the second best player on the thunder last year.
Can you make this argument? Genuinely, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I see Jackson as a decent player, but certainly not on the level of Westbrook, Ibaka, or Martin.
Did you mean second best bench player?
Oh No not better then Russ. I meant went Russ went down Jackson stepped up against Houston and Memphis in those playoff series and performed very well. In those series I believe he consistently produced more then Martin and Ibaka.
Again I want to clarify I meant in the playoffs post Westbrook injury.
Reggie averaged 17 ppg after Russ went down and he got more opportunity to play. They were high stake games too.
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Although this is the time to be competitive, I would just like to say this was probably the best CB draft I've been apart of. In previous years, GMs would do anything to get the upper hand, but this year I saw a lot of teams help each other out, which makes for more evenly matched teams. It's a shame that there's only 16 playoff spots, cause there are so many good teams this year.
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Although this is the time to be competitive, I would just like to say this was probably the best CB draft I've been apart of. In previous years, GMs would do anything to get the upper hand, but this year I saw a lot of teams help each other out, which makes for more evenly matched teams. It's a shame that there's only 16 playoff spots, cause there are so many good teams this year.
Quoted for truth.
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Although this is the time to be competitive, I would just like to say this was probably the best CB draft I've been apart of. In previous years, GMs would do anything to get the upper hand, but this year I saw a lot of teams help each other out, which makes for more evenly matched teams. It's a shame that there's only 16 playoff spots, cause there are so many good teams this year.
Quoted for truth.
Seconded, I did not see a lot of lopsided deals this year.
And the West this year, I mean talk about competition. Ive been participating for three years,and this is by far the tigthtest playoff race a conference can have.
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Although this is the time to be competitive, I would just like to say this was probably the best CB draft I've been apart of. In previous years, GMs would do anything to get the upper hand, but this year I saw a lot of teams help each other out, which makes for more evenly matched teams. It's a shame that there's only 16 playoff spots, cause there are so many good teams this year.
Quoted for truth.
Seconded, I did not see a lot of lopsided deals this year.
And the West this year, I mean talk about competition. Ive been participating for three years,and this is by far the tigthtest playoff race a conference can have.
I've had an absolute blast so far. Well done all around.
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Oh man voting already.
Ugh I need to sleep, printing out rosters for the morning before CFB starts.
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Although this is the time to be competitive, I would just like to say this was probably the best CB draft I've been apart of. In previous years, GMs would do anything to get the upper hand, but this year I saw a lot of teams help each other out, which makes for more evenly matched teams. It's a shame that there's only 16 playoff spots, cause there are so many good teams this year.
Quoted for truth.
Seconded, I did not see a lot of lopsided deals this year.
And the West this year, I mean talk about competition. Ive been participating for three years,and this is by far the tigthtest playoff race a conference can have.
I've had an absolute blast so far. Well done all around.
I've had an awesome time!
Special thanks to nick for organising it so well!
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If I offend anybody I apologise in advance
My equal favourite sports team just got eliminated from the finals >:(
To put it in context, imagine if Boston got no.1 seed then was swept by no.8 seed
Better team, awful coach >:(
I'm so frustrated
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I also want to thank everybody for an incredible experience. This league was beyond fun and I appreciated all the discussions that were had. I'll be checking out now, as I'll be gone this coming week and will only have my phone for internet access, but my co-GM is ready to take over. Whether my Lakers win it all, don't even make the playoffs, or finish somewhere in between, I'm super proud of the team we assembled and I can't really ask for anything more. Good luck to everybody and I apologize in advance for short, oddly formatted, and/or typo-filled messages in the coming week.
P.S. Stop blowing Calderon's defense out of proportions >:(
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P.S. Stop blowing Calderon's defense out of proportions >:(
enjoy your vacation... but Calderon might be the worst defensive starting PG in the NBA. :-\
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P.S. Stop blowing Calderon's defense out of proportions >:(
enjoy your vacation... but Calderon might be the worst defensive starting PG in the NBA. :-\
He's only as bad as Lawson and Teague, to name a few ;)
And thanks! I've been needing a break for a while now so I'm looking forward.
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P.S. Stop blowing Calderon's defense out of proportions >:(
enjoy your vacation... but Calderon might be the worst defensive starting PG in the NBA. :-\
He's only as bad as Lawson and Teague, to name a few ;)
And thanks! I've been needing a break for a while now so I'm looking forward.
Lawson is bad, but not for lack of effort. He's just short.
Teague and Jose, well, we al know what to do when we face their squads. ;D
Have a good vacation.
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I also want to thank everybody for an incredible experience. This league was beyond fun and I appreciated all the discussions that were had. I'll be checking out now, as I'll be gone this coming week and will only have my phone for internet access, but my co-GM is ready to take over. Whether my Lakers win it all, don't even make the playoffs, or finish somewhere in between, I'm super proud of the team we assembled and I can't really ask for anything more. Good luck to everybody and I apologize in advance for short, oddly formatted, and/or typo-filled messages in the coming week.
P.S. Stop blowing Calderon's defense out of proportions >:(
Have to say, very sad to see my co-gm leave. Without making him blush too bad, he did a phenomenal job and I couldn't of chosen a better partner. I was a little undecided about having a co-gm but we were in agreement on nearly every pick.
A little concerned myself on how much I'll be able to carry this team. With a full time job and an internship starting Tuesday, free time is going to be extremely limited.
If anybody has been following along without a team, the LA Lakers may be hiring a PR rep ;) (I'm only half joking)
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Gary Payton just said the only current player than can play like he did right now is Rajon Rondo. Except for the scoring mentality.
High praise
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Voted, though if your team is lower than you think don't feel bad I'm pretty sure i messed it up due to time crunch this morning. Still I feel good about who I put in the playoffs just not the order necessarily.
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Gary Payton just said the only current player than can play like he did right now is Rajon Rondo. Except for the scoring mentality.
High praise
That wizard's just a crazy old man.
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Voted, though if your team is lower than you think don't feel bad I'm pretty sure i messed it up due to time crunch this morning. Still I feel good about who I put in the playoffs just not the order necessarily.
This sums up my voting too this morning :P
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Gary Payton just said the only current player than can play like he did right now is Rajon Rondo. Except for the scoring mentality.
High praise
That wizard's just a crazy old man.
tp for the star wars reference :)
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Gary Payton just said the only current player than can play like he did right now is Rajon Rondo. Except for the scoring mentality.
High praise
Yeah, high praise but not really very accurate.
When I watch Rondo the last player I think of, in comparison, is Gary Payton. Payton could light it up, and was a very solid shooter. Also, while he did cheat passing lanes at times, he was a phenomenal lock-down one-on-one defender (maybe the best ever). I'm not sure Rondo has that in him.
I really don't think there is any previous PG that Rondo can be compared to. He just has such a unique set of strengths and weaknesses, unlike anyone I've ever seen. The closest is probably Jason Kidd, but Kidd was bigger and had a post game Rondo could never have.
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Gary Payton just said the only current player than can play like he did right now is Rajon Rondo. Except for the scoring mentality.
High praise
Yeah, high praise but not really very accurate.
When I watch Rondo the last player I think of, in comparison, is Gary Payton. Payton could light it up, and was a very solid shooter. Also, while he did cheat passing lanes at times, he was a phenomenal lock-down one-on-one defender (maybe the best ever). I'm not sure Rondo has that in him.
I really don't think there is any previous PG that Rondo can be compared to. He just has such a unique set of strengths and weaknesses, unlike anyone I've ever seen. The closest is probably Jason Kidd, but Kidd was bigger and had a post game Rondo could never have.
Rondo's always had a good post game, both in terms of scoring and passing.
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Rondo's always had a good post game, both in terms of scoring and passing.
Is it really a 'good post game' if he hardly uses it? It would be like if a guy shot 40% from 3 on .8 attempts per game.
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With 70 minutes until the deadline we are missing ballots from several GMs
Spurs
Clippers
Hawks
Sixers
Bulls
Wizards
Suns
Are all missing ballots. Get them in gentlemen
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With 70 minutes until the deadline we are missing ballots from several GMs
Spurs
Clippers
Hawks
Sixers
Bulls
Wizards
Suns
Are all missing ballots. Get them in gentlemen
That is unfortunate, as I have four of those teams making the playoffs.
Really, why would you play and then not vote?
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With 70 minutes until the deadline we are missing ballots from several GMs
Spurs
Clippers
Hawks
Sixers
Bulls
Wizards
Suns
Are all missing ballots. Get them in gentlemen
That is unfortunate, as I have four of those teams making the playoffs.
Really, why would you play and then not vote?
I expect that ronaldo and Wiggle will get their votes in at the last minute.
Champ has been really busy with the college football season.
Not sure about the other teams. Phoenix and Philly didn't do pressers, I believe. Rebus and WeMadeIt17 have expressed a few times that they're swamped.
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With 70 minutes until the deadline we are missing ballots from several GMs
Spurs
Clippers
Hawks
Sixers
Bulls
Wizards
Suns
Are all missing ballots. Get them in gentlemen
That is unfortunate, as I have four of those teams making the playoffs.
Really, why would you play and then not vote?
It would suck to not be able to play next year
Hence I shot off my vote asap
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Just out of curiosity, when can we expect the playoff teams to be announced?
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Just out of curiosity, when can we expect the playoff teams to be announced?
If I don't have results tonight, expect them first thing tomorrow morning
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Just out of curiosity, when can we expect the playoff teams to be announced?
If I don't have results tonight, expect them first thing tomorrow morning
That's cool. TP
Not putting any pressure on you, I'm sure it's a lot of work. I'm just sitting on pins and needles right now.
I mean, I feel as if I should be a playoff lock, and top 4 seed, but I'm not oblivious to the opinions of others. I surmise it will come down to the wire either way for the Bucks.
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Just out of curiosity, when can we expect the playoff teams to be announced?
If I don't have results tonight, expect them first thing tomorrow morning
That's cool. TP
Not putting any pressure on you, I'm sure it's a lot of work. I'm just sitting on pins and needles right now.
I mean, I feel as if I should be a playoff lock, and top 4 seed, but I'm not oblivious to the opinions of others. I surmise it will come down to the wire either way for the Bucks.
Yeah I'm a wee bit nervous
Some people rate my team top 3 while others don't put me in the playoffs
Hopefully the former is the case ;D
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I think I have 4 different teams with at least a 10 place swings in different polls. Fairly incredible in a poll where you can't vote for your own team, IMHO. Speaks to the parity in the league
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I keep refreshing the page hoping the results of the midterm will be released. Tomorrow, tomorrow, we'll learn it, tomorrow. They're only a day awayyy
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I keep refreshing the page hoping the results of the midterm will be released. Tomorrow, tomorrow, we'll learn it, tomorrow. They're only a day awayyy
Lol I've never met you in person but I can tell you're one of those who will always be a kid on one way or another. Lol I agree precisely tho.
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I keep refreshing the page hoping the results of the midterm will be released. Tomorrow, tomorrow, we'll learn it, tomorrow. They're only a day awayyy
You ain't the only one
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Whahhaaaatttt happened santa, no presents? Christmas sucks! :'(
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Whahhaaaatttt happened santa, no presents? Christmas sucks! :'(
Argh
When this thread popped up at the top of recent posts my heart jumped
Only to be brought crashing down >:(
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Gee, I hope I make the team!
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Gee, I hope I make the team!
You already made it.
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Anybody else nervous?
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
Usually your ballots reflect the 'mainstream' opinion (thats not a dig, just saying usually you seem to have a good handle on these things) but this year I think you're off. Like people have been saying, too much parity, and couple that with inconsistent voting, sparse, in some cases, debate, the phrase 'it's anyone's guess' comes to mind.
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
To be honest I don't think my team is a lock as a good amount of people had me not making it, I'm expecting to be in 5he 6th through 8th seed.
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Roy, but I definitely do not agree with at least three of your "locks". Granted, only one team listed here did I not vote into the playoffs.
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
Rabble rabble rabble! >:(
In all seriousness, I find it quite funny that a team with the DPOY and a recent finals MVP is not a lock for the playoffs.
Poop on you Roy.
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Roy, but I definitely do not agree with at least three of your "locks". Granted, only one team listed here did I not vote into the playoffs.
Yeah I had one out too and a few weren't locks, rather low seeds.
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If I don't have results tonight, expect them first thing tomorrow morning
We obviously must have different ideas on what constitutes 1st thing in the morning. :-\
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Rabble rabble rabble! >:(
In all seriousness, I find it quite funny that a team with the DPOY and a recent finals MVP is not a lock for the playoffs.
Poop on you Roy.
I didn't put you in the playoffs and here are my main reasons.
Gasol is a great defensive player, but now there will be much more penetration to the rim as Calderon is the worst defensive pg and no where near Conley, Matthews is good but no where near Allen.
Gasol is great, but you make him seem like the greatest defensive player of all time I mean 2 centers made the All Defensive 1st team and Gasol was not one of them.
You are asking alot from Dirk. (Scoring wise)
Your bench is going to have a hard time scoring.
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Guys lets remember that Nick has a life and CB Draft is not his first priority andd shouldn't be. Also sorting out all the votes is not the easiest thing to do.
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Guys lets remember that Nick has a life and CB Draft is not his first priority andd shouldn't be. Also sorting out all the votes is not the easiest thing to do.
I'm quite certain most of us are just poking fun. Geez!
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Rabble rabble rabble! >:(
In all seriousness, I find it quite funny that a team with the DPOY and a recent finals MVP is not a lock for the playoffs.
Poop on you Roy.
I didn't put you in the playoffs and here are my main reasons.
Gasol is a great defensive player, but now there will be much more penetration to the rim as Calderon is the worst defensive pg and no where near Conley, Matthews is good but no where near Allen.
Gasol is great, but you make him seem like the greatest defensive player of all time I mean 2 centers made the All Defensive 1st team and Gasol was not one of them.
You are asking alot from Dirk. (Scoring wise)
Your bench is going to have a hard time scoring.
Meh, I don't want to open another "presser" type debate but I feel all of these issues have been addressed.
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I haven't seen the results, but my guess is that these teams all *should* be locks for the playoffs.
New York
Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Miami
Atlanta
Houston
Dallas
Oklahoma City
Minnesota
Portland
That said, I know that some of those teams were left out on certain ballots (inexplicably, in my opinion).
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Roy, but I definitely do not agree with at least three of your "locks". Granted, only one team listed here did I not vote into the playoffs.
Yeah I had one out too and a few weren't locks, rather low seeds.
Well, we can't all be right. Looks like you'll have plenty of company with your missed pick, Faf. ;)
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(http://i.imgur.com/pFeqPHd.gif)
Mr. Mathers wants to know which teams made the playoffs.
Apologies to Faf for the .gif, but I just thought this was too dang funny.
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(http://i.imgur.com/pFeqPHd.gif)
Mr. Mathers wants to know which teams made the playoffs.
Apologies to Faf for the .gif, but I just thought this was too dang funny.
Haha yeah I saw this too. Eminem sure acts odd as heck (which isn't that odd if you know what I mean)
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Haha!
Me and a few buddies were watching that ND/UM game last night, and our immediate reaction was "I thought Em said he was off the drugs?".
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All playoff threads are open and teams can start posting strategies and having their debates.
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Just heard Eminem's song Berzerk. I really like it.
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(http://i.imgur.com/pFeqPHd.gif)
Mr. Mathers wants to know which teams made the playoffs.
Apologies to Faf for the .gif, but I just thought this was too dang funny.
best part about that clip is the guy on the left looking at eminem while trying to not look like he is looking at him :)
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This is the way the first round ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
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This is the way the first round ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Some say the round will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
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It is only the fact that I am on my phone that robs me of inflating your TP count beyond human means of calculation.
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It is only the fact that I am on my phone that robs me of inflating your TP count beyond human means of calculation.
Robbie Frost was pretty badass.
In the fantasy draft of American poets, he's probably the Durant to Walt Whitman's LeBron.
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So how's your 2k13 look guys?
Celtics are 4th in offense, 20th in defense, 7th overall.
Scoring averages through 3 games are:
Kyrie: 18 pts
Hayward: 14 pts
Gallinari: 16 pts
Gasol: 14 pts
Valanciunas: 12 pts
Thomas: 12 pts
Beverley: 9 pts
Arthur: 8 pts
Fournier 8 pts
Antic 3 pts
It's a lot of fun. There is always a guy open who can hit a shot, especially when Kyrie is matched up against a slower or weaker PG. Having Hayward and Gallo as two additional creators on the perimeter makes the pick and roll a near guaranteed bucket, especially if you keep your eyes open for an open guy around the perimeter.
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*shameless plug*
Lawson doubters take heed.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/12/kevin-durant-says-ty-lawson-should-be-an-nba-all-star/