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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #105 on: December 20, 2017, 08:27:42 AM »

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The problem with Semi is that he has an extremely low skill level. As a wing, his combination of shooting, passing, and dribbling is one of the lowest in the league. To make matters worse he's an older rookie, so the probability of him improving dramatically isn't good. He's also a good athlete, but he's not a spectacular athlete. The best athletes from this past draft are easily Smith and Collins. He might be a case of Mike Mamula. A good athlete who looked like an amazing one simply because he did a lot of work getting for the combine and then posted great numbers. Like Mamula, Semi's numbers don't translate. Maybe it's a lack of motor and intensity, though.

I really hope I'm wrong and Semi turns into a perennial all-star. However, based on everything I've seen he has an extremely low ceiling and will probably end up being an NBA journeyman.
I feel like every word of that could've been said about Jae Crowder in 2013. I know it's not working out for him in Cleveland but he was a big piece for the Cavs in the Kyrie trade this summer. If Ojeleye puts in the work and has the right mentality, I don't see any reason he couldn't be a valuable 3-and-D player for a long time.

The difference between him and Jae, along with the other undersized players he often gets compared to like Green, PJ Tucker, etc., is the motor. Those players play really hard, give multiple efforts on plays, and have a certain toughness and edge to them that offsets their lack of height. Semi doesn't have that. His hustle stats are awful - 0.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 2.1 RPG in 14.2 MPG - and have been awful since college - 0.4 SPG, 0.4 BPG, 6.9 RPG in 34.1 MPG - even though he played in a weak conference against subpar opposition. There is no grittiness or fight in Semi; he's a finesse type player that plays with a gas tank that's always on E.
It's pretty interesting to me how much weight scouts give to steals in college.  It seems like a pretty minor stat, but low steal rates raise red flags when predicting NBA success even for guys who score a ton of points and do other things well.

in defense of semi
« Reply #106 on: December 20, 2017, 09:28:39 AM »

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Semi  was Parade Magazine "player of year in high school"
Recruited by Duke but played sparingly as he was behind Jabari Parker and then Justice Winslow
Transferred  to SMU and Larry Brown and red shirted for one year ,he led SMU to AAC regular season and tournament championships
Named AAC player of year averaged 18 points a game shot 40% from three and led NCAA in pick and pop%
one of 67 players invited to 2017 NBA player combine
in combine games scored in double digits twice and had 6 steals
40.5 vertical,3rd in lane agility and 8th in sprint
Dec 4 Brad stated "i think Semi can be an elite defensively and i'm not sure he is far from that now""he is a very capable shooter and he is a guy you have to guard out there" "he is going to draw attention"
Horford says" semi's defense is great has a real sense" and that is from the our defensive co-ordinator

The degree of difficulty guarding a possible 5 positions with different combinations,the ability of NBA players in terms of speed ,strength and length,the amount of switching and timing,fighting over top of screens  and with all this trying not to draws fouls with Refs protecting stars and players using every trick to force our guys into them.
I believe Semi can shoot because of his history and his short compact stroke that shooting coaches have commented on and( its a matter of time maybe 2nd half of season)asnow he has alot on plate defensively.
He has been given his share of tough coverage's and is a ROOKIE filling the gap from injuries and most importantly gained the trust of BRAD
The guy was the 7th pick in 2nd round playing defense for the number 1 NBA team and number one defense against superstars and stars at 5 positions and plays in 4th quarters and even a full 4th a couple of times
Everybody can have an opinion, my wife has them galore but when they collide with Brads and Horford and Drew Hanlon then i believe either people are wrong or don't understand the difficulty or the development of a ROOKIE.
I believe the shortened training camp and pre season did not help and early season schedule  with so few team practices.
I have never made claims of superstar or comparisons due to his wingspan-but i believe he will be an asset during extended playoff run as a strong body put on Lebron to wear him down even if its some physical hard fouls.I also watched him harass Curry and he said Semi doesn't get the praise he should.
How has a popular player that works so hard become so divisive and maligned on this board.This is not James Young entitled lazy and a hyped draft pick.This is a player who aspires to play defense like Marcus or Crowder and was fully ready from draft for d league experience.
Guess what learn on the fly by the big boys on National TV with Brad and Ainge watching everything.
I don't know where the low motor accusation came from-maybe its from not thowing youself around and flying in face of refs or knowing your boundaries and not overcompensating without gaining experience.In college he recklessly used his bulk much like Jaylen did .He doesn't take plays off intentionally but may be confused rookie hesitancy and gets to little on court time to judge motor-his limitations i think in NBA stem from length and wingspan not being elite..He can pick and pop and score off dribble with pull up but that is not his place -he has been tasked to play defense by Brad.
Larry Brown thought he was a fit for Boston but was concerned for Semi not getting playing time-look how that has turned out!!
Last year Jaylen made huge strides the 2nd half of season and in playoffs.
In college to quote on offensive board"semi is aggressive and has nose for the ball" as that video put back of his is a classic" thunderous dunk

No Whiteside -Baynes will be a handful for Kelly
« Last Edit: December 20, 2017, 10:26:00 AM by rollie mass »

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #107 on: December 20, 2017, 09:30:33 AM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro

Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:

PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v04s3avrgY here you go
You can see the desperation in giannis when he throw up the air ball

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #108 on: December 20, 2017, 09:39:28 AM »

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I am with semi but to say he can go face to face with Lebron is a bit over

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #109 on: December 20, 2017, 09:50:30 AM »

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I'm not hating on Semi, or hoping he fails. I want him to succeed and help the Celtics. I'm just not as high on him as you are. I'm not particularly interested in combine results or college stats anymore, those are useful when you are attempting to guess how a draft prospect might work out, but now that he is in the NBA I don't think those things are relevant anymore. All that matters is how he performs on the court. So far his defense has been okay, not elite, not great, okay. That is very impressive for a rookie second round pick, and he has impressed Brad, again very impressive. His offensive has been horrible, not just bad shooting, but poor passing, no handle, and not in the flow of the offense. Those things may improve, he's a rookie and it's still a little early. As of right now, I think his most likely ceiling is useful defensive specialist off the bench. I don't see him as a starter or major mpg guy off the bench. Even now, the only reason he is playing is because of Hayward's injury. When Hayward comes back there simply won't be time for him. He's not going to take mpg from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or even Morris. As of right now I would put him 10th on the depth chart (Irving, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi), when Hayward comes back he will be 11th. If we get a high draft pick next year that could easily push him down to 12th.
Ok? i bet you missed the game he shut down THE letter bro

Can you provide that specific game you're referring to because these are Giannis' averages over 3 games vs Boston this season:

PPG 35.0
RPG 10.7
APG 4.7
SPG 2.0
FG% 55.2
FT% 85.3
3PT% 40.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v04s3avrgY here you go
You can see the desperation in giannis when he throw up the air ball

So basically he missed 2 shots and dumped it off to Monroe on another, that's hardly "shutting him down". Unless you think of course Jerry Sichting shutdown MJ by blocking his shot in the game he scored 63. By the way, what was the stat line of the game "Semi shut Giannis down" in?

It was this one, right?
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/id/400974818

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #110 on: December 20, 2017, 09:55:20 AM »

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he led SMU to ACC regular season and tournament championships
Named ACC player of year

That's incorrect. SMU is NOT in the ACC and he was definitely NOT named ACC player of the year. 

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #111 on: December 20, 2017, 10:09:10 AM »

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Semi  was Parade Magazine "player of year in high school"
Recruited by Duke but played sparingly as he was behind Jabari Parker and then Justice Winslow
Transferred  to SMU and Larry Brown and red shirted for one year ,he led SMU to ACC regular season and tournament championships
Named ACC player of year averaged 18 points a game shot 40% from three and led NCAA in pick and pop%
one of 67 players invited to 2017 NBA player combine
in combine games scored in double digits twice and had 6 steals
40.5 vertical,3rd in lane agility and 8th in sprint
Dec 4 Brad stated "i think Semi can be an elite defensively and i'm not sure he is far from that now""he is a very capable shooter and he is a guy you have to guard out there" "he is going to draw attention"
Horford says" semi's defense is great has a real sense" and that is from the our defensive co-ordinator

The degree of difficulty guarding a possible 5 positions with different combinations,the ability of NBA players in terms of speed ,strength and length,the amount of switching and timing,fighting over top of screens  and with all this trying not to draws fouls with Refs protecting stars and players using every trick to force our guys into them.
I believe Semi can shoot because of his history and his short compact stroke that shooting coaches have commented on and( its a matter of time maybe 2nd half of season)asnow he has alot on plate defensively.
He has been given his share of tough coverage's and is a ROOKIE filling the gap from injuries and most importantly gained the trust of BRAD
The guy was the 7th pick in 2nd round playing defense for the number 1 NBA team and number one defense against superstars and stars at 5 positions and plays in 4th quarters and even a full 4th a couple of times
Everybody can have an opinion, my wife has them galore but when they collide with Brads and Horford and Drew Hanlon then i believe either people are wrong or don't understand the difficulty or the development of a ROOKIE.
I believe the shortened training camp and pre season did not help and early season schedule  with so few team practices.
I have never made claims of superstar or comparisons due to his wingspan-but i believe he will be an asset during extended playoff run as a strong body put on Lebron to wear him down even if its some physical hard fouls.I also watched him harass Curry and he said Semi doesn't get the praise he should.
How has a popular player that works so hard become so divisive and maligned on this board.This is not James Young entitled lazy and a hyped draft pick.This is a player who aspires to play defense like Marcus or Crowder and was fully ready from draft for d league experience.
Guess what learn on the fly by the big boys on National TV with Brad and Ainge watching everything.
I don't know where the low motor accusation came from-maybe its from not thowing youself around and flying in face of refs or knowing your boundaries and not overcompensating without gaining experience.In college he recklessly used his bulk much like Jaylen did .He doesn't take plays off intentionally but may be confused rookie hesitancy and gets to little on court time to judge motor-his limitations i think in NBA stem from length and wingspan not being elite..He can pick and pop and score off dribble with pull up but that is not his place -he has been tasked to play defense by Brad.
Larry Brown thought he was a fit for Boston but was concerned for Semi not getting playing time-look how that has turned out!!
Last year Jaylen made huge strides the 2nd half of season and in playoffs.
In college to quote on offensive board"semi is aggressive and has nose for the ball" as that video put back of his is a classic" thunderous dunk

No Whiteside -Baynes will be a handful for Kelly

Dude, I get you like writing, but there is a current thread about Semi (which you created) that IS LITERALLY UNDERNEATH THIS THREAD

Can we please stop creating the same thread.

I don't mind your writing at all, but it just gets annoying to see a million threads. You could have just added this comment to the "Semi starting to wake up or heat up" thread (which is already pretty interesting!

Maybe a suggestion would be to contact the Mods, and consider writing more detailed think-pieces like this one on the Fanposts tab.

Anyway Roll on Rollie Mass! Roll on!
"Gimme the ball, gimme the ball". Freddy Quimby, 1994.

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #112 on: December 20, 2017, 10:28:49 AM »

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AAC player of year,AAC championship and winner AAC tournament--
Face to face Lebron-
i think that will happen for a few minutes not as his primary defender, i put even if its for some hard fouls -that implied that Morris would not get.If we get to finals against Clevland the celts have a history of picking up injuries-there is Jaylen,marcus morris and Semi with all the switching it is inevitable
Semi has the lateral and weight distribution to at least stay in front for a short period till Lebron adjusts.
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Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #113 on: December 20, 2017, 10:48:46 AM »

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A rookie isn't going to be able to do anything with Lebron. He'll eat us alive for the most part, and Semi would be a snack for LBJ. If we're relying on Semi for significant minutes come playoff time, that series is already over.

We do have a guy on the roster - Marcus Morris - who has had some success defending Lebron. We really need him to be healthy come May if we have any hope of getting past CLE.

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #114 on: December 20, 2017, 12:54:22 PM »

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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player. College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)
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Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #115 on: December 20, 2017, 01:22:26 PM »

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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player. College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)

All valid points, but don't forget about the potential use of DPE. That too would push Semi down the rotation.

You have to consider the source and that the OP has a knack for consistently and unrealistically overrating our worst players. He does it yearly and some of his guys have been Nader, Green, Mickey, Datome, etc. He even said Jerebko would have a career year because JJ's neighbor built a basketball hoop and he would be using it. Next year someone will replace the hyperbole used on Semi, like Semi replaced Nader this season.

Rollie is definitely a fan, but sometimes those green glasses blur his vision.

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #116 on: December 20, 2017, 02:26:29 PM »

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This thread is about Semi. Let's stop discussing individual posters.

Re: in defense of semi
« Reply #117 on: December 20, 2017, 03:48:58 PM »

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Right now Semi isn't good. His defense is decent, which is good for a rookie, but it's not near-elite as some have claimed. He makes plenty of mistakes and I have seen him get beat by mediocre players more times than I have seen him shut down all-star players. It is fair to state, however, that he is just a rookie and he can get better. How much better is the question. As of now I haven't seen anything to make me think that he will be more than a defensive role player.
College stats, especially from a secondary program, and combine results are meaningless at this point. All that matters is what he does on the court. Right now, he can play some defense so he's getting time. When Hayward comes back I suspect he won't play very much. I simply don't see where his mpg will come from with the celts at full strength. He won't take time from Hayward, Brown, Tatum or Morris. He can switch onto bigs during rotations, but I don't think they would play him as a big. Even in a small lineup you are much better off going with Morris or Tatum as a small ball 4. He's the 11th guy on the roster, counting Hayward, after the draft he could be 12th. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Smart, Baynes, Rozier, Theis, Semi)

All valid points, but don't forget about the potential use of DPE. That too would push Semi down the rotation.

You have to consider the source and that the OP has a knack for consistently and unrealistically overrating our worst players. He does it yearly and some of his guys have been Nader, Green, Mickey, Datome, etc. He even said Jerebko would have a career year because JJ's neighbor built a basketball hoop and he would be using it. Next year someone will replace the hyperbole used on Semi, like Semi replaced Nader this season.

Rollie is definitely a fan, but sometimes those green glasses blur his vision.

Never ever rated Mickey or Dantome except he could shoot and made a in jest post to bring back GIGI after RJ and young couldn't shoot-how far back are you stalking-its getting creepy.
Nader has elite wingspan 7-1 and can hit threes and is ambidextrous at rim and was a huge upgrade over James Young.
Get this straight!! Jerebco bought a mansion with indoor full court and weight room and was going to work on his three all summer--Hows he doing with Utah he torched us.
another guy i did like was Powell who went in trade for Crowder
.Green for his ability to pile up points and his athleticism and magic with Isaiah in Phoenix as the highest scoring duo from bench in the west .Called him a Stilletto in Brads hands-as not an all purpose knife-Brad said he feared that guy when he game planned against him- ASK Chicago.
If that's all you can complain about seems like your urinating into the wind-Back off and stop stalking and baiting.
Development of a rookie that is cost effective can shoot play multiple positions is a luxury
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Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #118 on: December 21, 2017, 05:47:12 AM »

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Getting badly beaten backdoor by Tyler Johnson. Being late on a rotation and then almost having Ellington dunk on him. Isolated 1-on-1 vs Waiters and being completely shaken out of his shoes (thankfully Waiters missed).

Some may say he has elite defense, elite athleticism, and is a good shooter, but it's hard to say that with a straight face until those things actually show up on the court. Some may point out to Stevens' trying to build up his defense, but when push comes to shove and the C's needed someone to defend Olynyk it was not Semi's "elite D" that got the nod, but the undersized Smart that received the assignment. And to think some have even suggested he can cover LeBron. Ridiculously laughable.

Offensively, what does he actually do well? The team hides him in the corner and prays he doesn't get in the way. He doesn't move well without the ball and I constantly see Stevens, Kyrie, Smart motioning to him on where he actually needs to be/corner to hide in. Let's not even talk about his passing and handles.

I can't wait for his 10-14 minutes to be redistributed elsewhere (get healthy soon Morris), as his defense isn't what it's hyped up to be and offensively he's an utter train wreck.

Re: Semi starting to wake up or heat up
« Reply #119 on: December 21, 2017, 06:10:55 AM »

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So Semi had a nice couple of games and some of us praised him to the Moon and back. Now he is going through a rough patch and some others want him run out of town.


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