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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: rondofan1255 on July 12, 2018, 11:51:23 PM
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Free agent guard Isaiah Thomas has agreed to a one-year deal with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell ESPN. Thomas will reunite with Michael Malone, who coached him with the Kings.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1017615703602487296?s=21
Veteran's minimum deal for Thomas, sources tell ESPN
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1017616033702559746?s=21
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I always felt like IT needs to play with stretch bigs to be effective, open up the paint. One of the reasons he fit so well in Boston was having kelly and AL to spread the floor
Could be a really nice fit for Denver with Jokic and Milsap with their passing and shooting
Will be interesting to see how much game time he gets behind Harris and Murray
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He’s going to end up playing for the minimum or close to it the rest of his career. His defensive issues and health are 2 big questions marks that won’t escape anyone’s head
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He’s going to end up playing for the minimum or close to it the rest of his career. His defensive issues and health are 2 big questions marks that won’t escape anyone’s head
Hogwash.
If he puts up 23+ ppg again teams will quickly forget.
I know it’s the “in” thing on CB right now, to bash IT.... but do you know how many bad players get PAID in this league? He’s an All-NBA talent and even if he doesn’t get back to his peak, he can get a big enough contract. Proven scorer, proven playoff performer.
It’s sad that he settled for a vet min contract, but I assume he took a step back to find the right situation to get the big one.
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IT still helping Boston out by bolstering another Western Conference team and potentially stifling the Lakers in the standings.
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IT still helping Boston out by bolstering another Western Conference team and potentially stifling the Lakers in the standings.
the lakers are the least of our worries in the West .
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its rough out there..Vet Minimum. I could have taken my butt to china LOL..but all jokes aside i am rooting for this guy. He carried our Team not too long ago. helped recruit players..dude will always have a special place in my heart. I have a friend who hates Danny because of that kryie trade he understands it from a basketball move but he says it was more about how many he loved IT.
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its rough out there..Vet Minimum. I could have taken my butt to china LOL..but all jokes aside i am rooting for this guy. He carried our Team not too long ago. helped recruit players..dude will always have a special place in my heart. I have a friend who hates Danny because of that kryie trade he understands it from a basketball move but he says it was more about how many he loved IT.
if ainge made every emotional move instead of making the tough cold blooded trades, we wouldn’t have brown Tatum or kyrie because we would have kept Pierce and kg until retirement, all the while signing rondo and IT to undeserving bad long term max contracts. Emotional moves are for bad GMs
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In all honesty Denver is a much better spot for him to sign with than here - two strong stretch bigs in Millsap and Jokic, both of which who can pass from everywhere, and none of the potential locker-room headaches that could have arisen had he signed here.
Obviously he'll struggle for minutes, as 3 of the top 5 guys in Denver's rotation last year were guards (Harris, Barton and Murray), but without Wilson Chandler eating up 30mpg there should be times when they can fit IT on the court next to Murray and Barton, who are both big guards.
Hope he can succeed there
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Tough to feel bad for multi millionaire, it takes me 20 years to make $2M, but this is a pretty raw deal when you look around the league and consider what IT has proven. Obviously factors like injury weigh in, but just, “wow”, tough luck.
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It’s funny cuz Michael porter jr has a bad hip just like IT
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its rough out there..Vet Minimum. I could have taken my butt to china LOL..but all jokes aside i am rooting for this guy. He carried our Team not too long ago. helped recruit players..dude will always have a special place in my heart. I have a friend who hates Danny because of that kryie trade he understands it from a basketball move but he says it was more about how many he loved IT.
if ainge made every emotional move instead of making the tough cold blooded trades, we wouldn’t have brown Tatum or kyrie because we would have kept Pierce and kg until retirement. Emotional moves are for bad GMs
thats why it will be hard for me to be a GM.
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Free agent guard Isaiah Thomas has agreed to a one-year deal with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell ESPN. Thomas will reunite with Michael Malone, who coached him with the Kings.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1017615703602487296?s=21
Veteran's minimum deal for Thomas, sources tell ESPN
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1017616033702559746?s=21
I think Denver could be sneaky good this season. I think Malone did pretty well in Sacto, by all accounts, and in a more stable situation could really make some noise with that team.
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I am rooting for this guy. He carried our Team not too long ago. helped recruit players..dude will always have a special place in my heart. I have a friend who hates Danny because of that kryie trade - he understands it from a basketball move but says it was more about how he loved IT.
Gotta agree.
I HATE what happened with Thomas in Boston - his heart and soul were committed to the Boston Celtics. And, lawdy, could that guy play before his injury. As far as the type of person they are, I'll take Thomas over Irving all day long. I hope he regains his health and his form and eventually gets a nice contract - maybe not a "Brinks Truck" type of deal, but certainly in the $12 - $15 M per range.
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
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From brinks truck to ice cream truck. How the mighty have fallen. I feel bad for IT. Hope he makes the comeback and gets the contract he earned.
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Denver - not caring about defense - AT ALL!
predicting: 1st ORTG, 30th DRTG :D
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Denver got a nice little team
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
Chris Jackson / Abdul rauf. Too. 😄 I have a good feeling about this for IT. Happy for him
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Go for it IT. Make a lot of teams look stupid that they didn't sign you. 2 million? What a slap in the face. I would think at least 5 million on a prove it deal. Wow!
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Hard not to feel bad for IT. He is kind of right back to where he was a few years ago, viewed as a good bench player, but now with a serious injury/condition. He will have to work his way back up just like he did while with Boston. He started as a bench player and ended up the team star. Let's see if he can do it again.
Denver may be a good spot for him. They are paying luxury tax on his salary so good for them. I really have no idea what IT we are going to see but I suspect it is not going to be the 2016-17 version. His career earnings with this contract will be about $32M. Really not that bad but at 29 years old, he has really missed out on some money. Not sure it is anyone's fault, his hip is the problem. In some ways, maybe he should be thankful that his hip held out as long as it did.
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
Chris Jackson / Abdul rauf. Too. 😄 I have a good feeling about this for IT. Happy for him
Ty Lawson had his best days there too.
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
Ty Lawson was under 6 feet as well
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Hard not to feel bad for IT. He is kind of right back to where he was a few years ago, viewed as a good bench player, but now with a serious injury/condition. He will have to work his way back up just like he did while with Boston. He started as a bench player and ended up the team star. Let's see if he can do it again.
Denver may be a good spot for him. They are paying luxury tax on his salary so good for them. I really have no idea what IT we are going to see but I suspect it is not going to be the 2016-17 version. His career earnings with this contract will be about $32M. Really not that bad but at 29 years old, he has really missed out on some money. Not sure it is anyone's fault, his hip is the problem. In some ways, maybe he should be thankful that his hip held out as long as it did.
Aren't they out of the tax entirely now as a result of the Nets trade?
But yeah I like Denver a lot. They needed a back-up PG and scoring on their bench, so this could actually be a great get for both IT and the team.
PG - Murray, IT
SG - Harris, Barton, Beasley
SF - Porter, Craig, Vanderbilt
PF - Millsap, Lyles, Hernangomez, Lydon
C - Jokic, Plumlee
A little weak at SF, but a pretty nice 2 deep rotation at every other position. that said, I'm not even sure this is a playoff team in the West, which just shows how deep the West actually is.
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He’s going to end up playing for the minimum or close to it the rest of his career. His defensive issues and health are 2 big questions marks that won’t escape anyone’s head
Hogwash.
If he puts up 23+ ppg again teams will quickly forget.
I know it’s the “in” thing on CB right now, to bash IT.... but do you know how many bad players get PAID in this league? He’s an All-NBA talent and even if he doesn’t get back to his peak, he can get a big enough contract. Proven scorer, proven playoff performer.
It’s sad that he settled for a vet min contract, but I assume he took a step back to find the right situation to get the big one.
TP. Well Said. If IT produces this year he will absolutely make 8-10 on a 3 year contract. Teams have money to spend and if IT proves to be healthy and back to his self he will get paid. Not the brinks truck he wanted but a decent salary. If he isn't healthy and is a shell of his former self then possibly 3-5m. I will root for this guy as long as he plays. If the C's didn't have so many guards I would have loved to have him back coming off the C's bench.
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from hero to zero
he was way overvalued in this forum
He is ultimately a 6th man that got a chance of a lifetime under CBS
I hope he plays well as a backup with the Nuggets. But doubt he will ever make more than 10 million a season and/or start
good that he has learnt not to say outrageous things
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From brinks truck to ice cream truck. How the mighty have fallen. I feel bad for IT. Hope he makes the comeback and gets the contract he earned.
;D ;D ;D
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Magic should've pounced. They will probably regret that decision as they go back to being one of the worst teams in the East.
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Magic should've pounced. They will probably regret that decision as they go back to being one of the worst teams in the East.
Mind-boggling, really. I guess they are just happy with another year tanking.
IT really seems to be getting screwed here. So many other questionable players at getting paid massive amounts of money and a guy who has actually proven himself seems to be barely hanging on in the league.
I would have been happy to bring him back if things go sour with Smart (and pay him a more deserving salary) - really surprised so many teams soured on him. I knew when we made the Kyrie deal that CLE was really after the BKN, but I didn’t realize IT was in Abdel Nader value territory. I hope he can prove himself in a good situation and get what he deserves next year.
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Tough situation for IT. At his worst, a min contract is an underpay. And Denver has some young and talented guard depth.
While I'm possibly the biggest IT fan this side of the Danube river, it's clear that he did benefit from being #1 option in a well-spaced system. And he'll be 30 in February, which should be a national holiday(...) but doesn't bode well for his future.
But Denver is an exciting team that just missed the playoffs by an OT loss. If given the opportunity, he can be the extra piece to make the playoffs and perhaps rehab both his body and value this season. And of course, if the injury bug bit, IT could lead from a starting role.
I'm not very optimistic for his future in the association, but regardless of how it plays out, IT will go down as one of the most exciting Celtics I've ever seen. I wish nothing but the best for him.
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He's making a smart move I think. If his hip is better he'll be able to showcase himself for a big deal next summer. His mistake unfortunately was getting too wrapped up with what was going on here vs looking out for his own long term interests. I really hope it works out for him. He's one of my favorite players to watch. Looking forward to Nuggets games this season.
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Bummed for IT, especially since it was giving his all for us that probably cost him tens of millions (nobody was ever giving him the full-length max though). Kinda surprised he couldn't even get a mid-level. But after the past 13 months I'm just glad he's still in the league.
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To go from an all nba player with contract expected to be around Kyle Lowry's deal somewhere to a twice traded player signing for the minimum, yikes.
Hoping he's got that bounce back and can rebuild his value, watching him playing OKC 3 years ago from a baseline angle was absolutely thrilling. Hoping he can be that player again.
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He's making a smart move I think. If his hip is better he'll be able to showcase himself for a big deal next summer. His mistake unfortunately was getting too wrapped up with what was going on here vs looking out for his own long term interests. I really hope it works out for him. He's one of my favorite players to watch. Looking forward to Nuggets games this season.
I am not sure how anyone can conclude that this is true. It might be true, it might not. I think his hip was going to eventually fail no matter what. It is not because he played 6 more playoff games or whatever before shutting it down. But my opinion is as equally speculative as yours.
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
Man I'm glad I'll literally never get to watch a single one of their [dang] games because a defunct TV service that isn't even sold anymore to still has legacy customers and carries the denver market area channel.
God I hate how stupid the NBA's blackout system is.
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
Man I'm glad I'll literally never get to watch a single one of their [dang] games because a defunct TV service that isn't even sold anymore to still has legacy customers and carries the denver market area channel.
God I hate how stupid the NBA's blackout system is.
This doesn't help with watching the games after the fact, but I strongly recommend you google some combination of the words
"reddit"
"streaming"
"NBA"
and see what you find.
I've never had a problem watching a game live. Now, if you want to watch a replay ... well, League Pass can let you do that if you're willing to wait 12-48 hours.
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
Man I'm glad I'll literally never get to watch a single one of their [dang] games because a defunct TV service that isn't even sold anymore to still has legacy customers and carries the denver market area channel.
God I hate how stupid the NBA's blackout system is.
This doesn't help with watching the games after the fact, but I strongly recommend you google some combination of the words
"reddit"
"streaming"
"NBA"
and see what you find.
Yeah before I wasn't so invested in Jokic being fun to go around using the league pass I paid for. With IT in the fold I'm absolutely hitting google with the proper parameters.
I'm paying for league pass anyways so I feel no remorse.
(Bonus fun NBA also blacks out Bulls/OKC/Wolves intermittently, every NBA city within 800 miles is apparently my local team)
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
Man I'm glad I'll literally never get to watch a single one of their [dang] games because a defunct TV service that isn't even sold anymore to still has legacy customers and carries the denver market area channel.
God I hate how stupid the NBA's blackout system is.
This doesn't help with watching the games after the fact, but I strongly recommend you google some combination of the words
"reddit"
"streaming"
"NBA"
and see what you find.
Yeah before I wasn't so invested in Jokic being fun to go around using the league pass I paid for. With IT in the fold I'm absolutely hitting google with the proper parameters.
I'm paying for league pass anyways so I feel no remorse.
(Bonus fun NBA also blacks out Bulls/OKC/Wolves intermittently, every NBA city within 800 miles is apparently my local team)
I pay for league pass during the regular season but it often prevents me from watching the games i actually want to take the time to watch because they're nationally televised. kinda makes me rethink paying for league pass. but i also use it a lot to watch celts games after the fact since they're usually mostly over before i have dinner (living in PST).
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Denver is easily my favorite non-Celtics team in the league. Super fun roster.
Man I'm glad I'll literally never get to watch a single one of their [dang] games because a defunct TV service that isn't even sold anymore to still has legacy customers and carries the denver market area channel.
God I hate how stupid the NBA's blackout system is.
This doesn't help with watching the games after the fact, but I strongly recommend you google some combination of the words
"reddit"
"streaming"
"NBA"
and see what you find.
Yeah before I wasn't so invested in Jokic being fun to go around using the league pass I paid for. With IT in the fold I'm absolutely hitting google with the proper parameters.
I'm paying for league pass anyways so I feel no remorse.
(Bonus fun NBA also blacks out Bulls/OKC/Wolves intermittently, every NBA city within 800 miles is apparently my local team)
I pay for league pass during the regular season but it often prevents me from watching the games i actually want to take the time to watch because they're nationally televised. kinda makes me rethink paying for league pass. but i also use it a lot to watch celts games after the fact since they're usually mostly over before i have dinner (living in PST).
Getting deeper and deeper into the gray area, but if you use a VPN when you register for League Pass and sign up from a different country, you can get a lower price and none of the blackout restrictions (for both local and national games).
Have to do it when you sign up at the beginning of the year (so make sure you're not auto-renewing in the US), and then each time you sign in after that just make sure you're using the VPN country location you signed up with. Supposedly League Pass from India was by far the cheapest last year.
You're still paying the NBA for their product, just taking advantage of cheaper international rates/fewer restrictions.
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*facepalm*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUWvjWjjzg
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
Chris Jackson / Abdul rauf. Too. 😄 I have a good feeling about this for IT. Happy for him
Chris Jackson is a sad case of getting blackballed in his prime. :(
Assume that IT is OK with being a backup to Harris and Murray.
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He's making a smart move I think. If his hip is better he'll be able to showcase himself for a big deal next summer. His mistake unfortunately was getting too wrapped up with what was going on here vs looking out for his own long term interests. I really hope it works out for him. He's one of my favorite players to watch. Looking forward to Nuggets games this season.
I am not sure how anyone can conclude that this is true. It might be true, it might not. I think his hip was going to eventually fail no matter what. It is not because he played 6 more playoff games or whatever before shutting it down. But my opinion is as equally speculative as yours.
It's pretty clear from the fact that the Celtics fired their entire longtime training staff that they felt IT's injury was at best mismanaged and misrepresented at worst.
The long term impact on his career has been catastrophic. It really goes to show that guys like Kawhi have the right idea shutting themselves down for 1-2 seasons with minor injuries and maintaining their value for the next big contract rather than attempting to play through injuries and risking 70-100 million dollars in income.
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Denver sure has a history on signing short-height players. Earl Boykins...now Isaiah Thomas?!
Don't forget Michael Adams!
Chris Jackson / Abdul rauf. Too. 😄 I have a good feeling about this for IT. Happy for him
Ty Lawson too
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I remember being on the side of the debate that Isaiah was not a max guy. I didn't feel his size and style of play would be sustainable. Danny made a tough call, but it was the correct decision in trading IT. I like how Danny didn't get caught up in the hype and felt like he needed to upgrade at PG to put the Celtics in a better position to win a title.
The IT situation (pre-trade) with the Celtics reminds me of Dustin Pedroia with the Red Sox. When the Red Sox resigned Pedroia to his most recent contract, I had no issue with the money per year, but rather the number of years. Like IT, Pedroia is undersized and plays with reckless abandoned. At some point their bodies were very likely to break down and never be the same players again. Pedroia may be done, and who knows what we'll see from Isaiah again.