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Who would you rather have moving forward?

Thompson
9 (20.5%)
Theis
35 (79.5%)

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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2021, 03:02:36 PM »

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Thompson has been bad this year on the whole. He is always in the right position as a help defender and screener, but he no longer has the bounce to finish above the rim. The biggest defensive issue with the double big lineup is that other teams would get the celtics into rotations and eventually Thompson would be a step late on a 3 point shooter for an open shot. When Kemba and Tatum are both playing it should be the end of the Thompson/Theis pairing. I'd prefer it if Robert Williams gets Thompson's minutes unless Thompson miraculously gets his bounce back.
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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2021, 03:22:19 PM »

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How soon till we start the Tristan for Horford trade proposals ? Lol 😂

Definite no on Horford, but TT does have a tradable contract. We have been lacking in those mid-level contracts in recent years for trades so that is useful. We also have the TPE, young players, and all of our future picks, so it does seem as though we have some options moving forward. We just need to make the right moves as/if they become available.

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2021, 08:06:39 PM »

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The proper answer to this poll, of course, is Robert Williams.
Theis have been our best big the last 18 months. What improvements have Timelord made in the meantime?

There of course have been the usual problems with availability, but Timelord seems to have been the most impactful big man for the Cs in almost every game he's played.

He finishes at the basket better than Thompson or Theis. He's a better passer, runs the floor better, protects the rim. He makes over 70 percent of his shots, taking them from the same places as Thompson.

If you want to look at the previously mentioned Total Points Added, Williams is 76th in the league despite his short minutes, fourth on the Celtics.

You can make an argument for Theis, but Williams has clearly been better than Thompson.

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2021, 11:02:19 PM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2021, 11:13:58 PM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?
I found people doubting a quality starting big who was the "anchor" of a top 5 defence last year in favour of a raw prospect and a journeyman big who's solid but not amazing amusing tbh.
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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2021, 11:21:11 PM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?
I found people doubting a quality starting big who was the "anchor" of a top 5 defence last year in favour of a raw prospect and a journeyman big who's solid but not amazing amusing tbh.

I agree that Theis is our best big, but not sure I’d call Thompson a journeyman. Wasn’t Cle the only team he played for before this year?

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2021, 11:38:03 PM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?
I found people doubting a quality starting big who was the "anchor" of a top 5 defence last year in favour of a raw prospect and a journeyman big who's solid but not amazing amusing tbh.

I agree that Theis is our best big, but not sure I’d call Thompson a journeyman. Wasn’t Cle the only team he played for before this year?
Celtics are his second team correct. At which point Timelord is not viewed as a raw project but what he is? How can you justify not paying Theis next year to keep the two inferior centers

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2021, 12:26:39 AM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?

Theis had a great game.  But TL and TT combining for 0-0 in a game where we had great team offense isn't an indictment IMO.  If we lost the game or struggled to score, then that's another story.  But I consider it a plus that they don't need shots for our team to be productive and can let our more talented offensive players score.
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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2021, 12:55:25 AM »

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Clearly looks like Theis at this point, and like another poster said, I’d prefer Robert get TT’s mins. I think TT has been our worst C by far.

Kemba / PP
Smart / JB*
JB / JT*
JT / Semi
Theis / Robert

Looks like a strong 8 man playoff rotation. Next year, hopefully Romeo and/or Nesmith are ready to make an impact for us.

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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2021, 01:36:41 AM »

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TT is at least our best rebounder. If he just focuses on that he's a positive effect

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2021, 01:44:37 AM »

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TL and TT with a combined 0-0 field goals  while Theis is 8 of 12 . Is there anymore discussion who’s our best big?
I found people doubting a quality starting big who was the "anchor" of a top 5 defence last year in favour of a raw prospect and a journeyman big who's solid but not amazing amusing tbh.

I agree that Theis is our best big, but not sure I’d call Thompson a journeyman. Wasn’t Cle the only team he played for before this year?
My bad, but my point was more about him being a good backup/decent starting big with the exception of 2016/2017. Theis is one of the better starting bigs in the league imo.
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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2021, 01:45:13 AM »

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TT is at least our best rebounder. If he just focuses on that he's a positive effect

Agree. Rebounding,  toughness defense. Scal and Mike were saying his game fits in beautifully with the team because he is content doing the dirty work.

People are forgetting too how badly Theis was abused by Bam in the ECF last year. Tristan will not get knocked around like that.

I like Theis BTW. If he keeps his head in the game he is quite good. But just a week ago half the blog wanted to trade him, and now he's a world beater. Lol

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2021, 04:00:44 AM »

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TT is at least our best rebounder. If he just focuses on that he's a positive effect

Agree. Rebounding,  toughness defense. Scal and Mike were saying his game fits in beautifully with the team because he is content doing the dirty work.

People are forgetting too how badly Theis was abused by Bam in the ECF last year. Tristan will not get knocked around like that.

I like Theis BTW. If he keeps his head in the game he is quite good. But just a week ago half the blog wanted to trade him, and now he's a world beater. Lol
That's the forums for you :laugh:, but Theis is a really good centre regardless of how poorly people on this forum think of him.
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Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2021, 08:10:06 AM »

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TT is at least our best rebounder. If he just focuses on that he's a positive effect

Agree. Rebounding,  toughness defense. Scal and Mike were saying his game fits in beautifully with the team because he is content doing the dirty work.

People are forgetting too how badly Theis was abused by Bam in the ECF last year. Tristan will not get knocked around like that.

I like Theis BTW. If he keeps his head in the game he is quite good. But just a week ago half the blog wanted to trade him, and now he's a world beater. Lol

To be fair, I started this thread about a week ago and the results are in favor of Theis: 31-9, so definitely not half. And I'd bet several of those 9 are in favor of keeping both.

Anyway, no question at this point. Theis is so much more versatile, is younger, more athletic, and can spread the floor. I highly doubt he is going to be getting $15M+/yr offer next season - it is essential that we keep him regardless of what the rest of our C rotation looks like.

You mention Bam not knocking around Thompson like he did with Theis, but I provided stats above from the PHI match-ups where Embiid absolutely destroyed TT. I realize they are different players, but I was at least hoping TT would be able to hold Embiid at his season averages - especially since he is an absolute zero on offense.

Re: Tristan Thompson or Daniel Theis?
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2021, 08:23:19 AM »

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I didn't really watch much of Thompson in Cleveland, but how was he a double, double guy? Did he ever have an offensive game, or was it all put backs? I mean, seriously, i don't remember seeing an NBA player with a worse offensive game. He has no moves, and tends to miss a large amount of short hooks, if that's what that is he's shooting.

I also don't see how he's going to match up with a guy like Bam. He doesn't impress me on on the defensive side of the ball either, and he is certainly not a rim protector.

He does appear to be a good rebounder however. Sets a decent screen.

All in all, I wish they had kept Kanter. Great rebounder, decent passer, and wasn't actually any worse on the defensive end, as far as I can see.