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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: crownontherocks on January 14, 2013, 01:00:17 PM
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The Nuggets "are looking to deal" Timofey Mozgov, league sources told Fox Sports Florida. It makes sense. Mozgov said he wouldn't be surprised if he were traded, and given he's in the last year of his deal, the Nuggets will at least explore the market. Mozgov is buried behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee ont he depth chart, and he hasn't played more than 15 minutes in a game since December 5.
Related: JaVale McGee, Kosta Koufos Source: Fox Sports Florida
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The Nuggets "are looking to deal" Timofey Mozgov, league sources told Fox Sports Florida. It makes sense. Mozgov said he wouldn't be surprised if he were traded, and given he's in the last year of his deal, the Nuggets will at least explore the market. Mozgov is buried behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee ont he depth chart, and he hasn't played more than 15 minutes in a game since December 5.
Related: JaVale McGee, Kosta Koufos Source: Fox Sports Florida
Depends what they want back, but I'm game.
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
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Bass and a first is the package I offer first... Most likely to be turned down very quickly.
Although. The Nuggets don't really have a backup PF. Bass is athletic and can run with the Nuggets and also could be a veteran for their squad in the playoffs...
Do we want Mozgov that bad however?
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
No need to bring Chandler in. He is a less talented Jeff Green. If we were trading Green for another piece then maybe. But if we trade Green Im guessing it would be for a big, thus making Bass for Mozgov irrelevant.
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I don't think Denver is getting a first round pick for Mozgov.
Maybe a pair of second rounders. Something like that. With an expiring deal or a trade exception that would save them a small bit of cash.
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
No need to bring Chandler in. He is a less talented Jeff Green. If we were trading Green for another piece then maybe. But if we trade Green Im guessing it would be for a big, thus making Bass for Mozgov irrelevant.
Chandler likely has more value overall around the league then Bass does. His versatility to play either wing should be valued. My point in acquiring him isn't to have him come in and be a major fixture in the rotation. It's to acquire an asset that is valued more universally then the asset you are shipping out.
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Watched Mozgov a lot when he was with the Knicks. They guy is huge, no doubt, and any size issue we have would be immediately corrected with his addition.
But I don't see any upside to him. Unlike Stiemer, who was clearly a shot blocking specialist, Mozgov never jumped out at me as a guy who did any one thing well.
I think Melo would be better than him, so why do the trade?
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I think Melo would be better than him, so why do the trade?
Well I guess you wouldn't and maybe being patient with Melo is the way to go here. It's going to likely take 4-5 years (Perk, Hibbert, etc.) for him to show what he can do but he might be worth it.
What if the deal was Bass, Collins, and a 2013 first
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Mozgov and Chandler
Edit: I am not trying to overhype Bass. I see him for what he is - a 6'7" PF who owes Rondo half his paycheck for all the open Jumpshots he gives him - but Denver NEEDS another PF. They aren't playing either of the guys, at all, that they re sending out in the deal.
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
No need to bring Chandler in. He is a less talented Jeff Green. If we were trading Green for another piece then maybe. But if we trade Green Im guessing it would be for a big, thus making Bass for Mozgov irrelevant.
Chandler likely has more value overall around the league then Bass does. His versatility to play either wing should be valued. My point in acquiring him isn't to have him come in and be a major fixture in the rotation. It's to acquire an asset that is valued more universally then the asset you are shipping out.
So if Chandler has more value around the league than Bass then why would Denver trade him to us for Bass when they could use him to acquire someone more valuable than Bass?
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Watched Mozgov a lot when he was with the Knicks. They guy is huge, no doubt, and any size issue we have would be immediately corrected with his addition.
But I don't see any upside to him. Unlike Stiemer, who was clearly a shot blocking specialist, Mozgov never jumped out at me as a guy who did any one thing well.
I think Melo would be better than him, so why do the trade?
I think Melo has the chance to be better down the road. But you do the trade because Mozgov can help you contend for a championship now, while Melo is at least another year or two away from being any sort of impact player, not to mention, there is no guarantee Melo ever gets even as good as Mozgov is now.
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I've been saying to do this deal for the past few weeks or so:
Brandon Bass for Mozgov and A. Randolph
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My initial reaction (maybe because I've already been thinking about Mozgov): Get him. He's tall, and huge, and reasonably skilled for a guy his size. And did I mention huge?
My co-worker who's a Nuggets fan says Mozgov is solid, he just happens to be on a team with a lot of center depth. I prefer to keep Melo, so if we can get Mozgov and Randolph for Bass, great. Bass might make a nice backup to Faried and/or Gallinari, and Boston gets a couple of 7-footers to beef up its frontcourt. Start Mozgov, move KG to the 4, bring Sully in to spell KG, Wilcox for Mozgov, then you still have Randolph for extra relief, and Collins as a situational guy.
C: Mozgov/Wilcox/Randolph/Collins
PF: KG/Sully/Wilcox/Randolph
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So if Chandler has more value around the league than Bass then why would Denver trade him to us for Bass when they could use him to acquire someone more valuable than Bass?
Great question.
They might be able to get more honestly. However Chandler coming off surgery and not being in the rotation means teams will be trying to buy low. Bass at this moment might be the best PF they can get for him.
Bass isn't garbage and his skill set and role could fit nicely with what Denver has. His ability to space the floor and his acceptance of his role might be more valued by Denver then say Dallas. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? I am just saying that overall when healthy I bet more teams see Chandler as more valuable then Bass.
However in Denver's situation with guys like Brewer, Igoudala, and Gallinari. Plus Lawson and Miller playing both guard slots a lot of the time this might not be the case. It would seem their need for a guy like Bass would be greater then their need for Chandler at the moment.
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I've been saying to do this deal for the past few weeks or so:
Brandon Bass for Mozgov and A. Randolph
I've suggested the same, though it's certainly a risky deal for the Cs. Not a ton of upside, but plently of potential downside....
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I've been saying to do this deal for the past few weeks or so:
Brandon Bass for Mozgov and A. Randolph
I've suggested the same, though it's certainly a risky deal for the Cs. Not a ton of upside, but plently of potential downside....
I don't think Anthony Randolph will ever be a serviceable player in this league. I wouldn't do this trade seeing as how it costs ownership twice as much money as his contract is worth based on the luxury tax.
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Not interested at all. Why trade for a guy who is worse than Chris Andersen, who we could sign without giving up anything?
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
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My initial reaction (maybe because I've already been thinking about Mozgov): Get him. He's tall, and huge, and reasonably skilled for a guy his size. And did I mention huge?
My co-worker who's a Nuggets fan says Mozgov is solid, he just happens to be on a team with a lot of center depth. I prefer to keep Melo, so if we can get Mozgov and Randolph for Bass, great. Bass might make a nice backup to Faried and/or Gallinari, and Boston gets a couple of 7-footers to beef up its frontcourt. Start Mozgov, move KG to the 4, bring Sully in to spell KG, Wilcox for Mozgov, then you still have Randolph for extra relief, and Collins as a situational guy.
C: Mozgov/Wilcox/Randolph/Collins
PF: KG/Sully/Wilcox/Randolph
If we can get Randolph and Mozgov for Bass I do that in a second. Reluctant to give up on Melo however. Id rather give up a first and keep Melo.
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
So you do the trade? If you're the Celtics?
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I've been saying to do this deal for the past few weeks or so:
Brandon Bass for Mozgov and A. Randolph
I've suggested the same, though it's certainly a risky deal for the Cs. Not a ton of upside, but plently of potential downside....
That's true to an extent, but I'd say the same with Bass individually. I don't think he'll get much better as a player (not saying his a terrible player though) and with the remaining years on his deal, it can be viewed as downside.
Overall I agree with your assessment of it being a somewhat risky deal (for both teams).
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Not interested at all. Why trade for a guy who is worse than Chris Andersen, who we could sign without giving up anything?
Mizgov isnt a better a player now than Chris Andersen was 3 years ago, but is he better than Chris is now? If Chris was the same player he was a few years ago, Miami would've signed him by now after working him out. Crazy thought, but maybe persistent knee issues and being out of the league for an extended amount of time has changed what he can do NOW.
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
So you do the trade? If you're the Celtics?
Yes, of course. It's a great deal for Boston.
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Andersen seemed pretty good last year but since those allegations nobody has wanted to touch him with a ten foot pole.
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Not interested at all. Why trade for a guy who is worse than Chris Andersen, who we could sign without giving up anything?
Mizgov isnt a better a player now than Chris Andersen was 3 years ago, but is he better than Chris is now? If Chris was the same player he was a few years ago, Miami would've signed him by now after working him out. Crazy thought, but maybe persistent knee issues and being out of the league for an extended amount of time has changed what he can do NOW.
His legal issues have to be considered as the or part of the reason for him not being signed yet.
You could be right though.
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
So you do the trade? If you're the Celtics?
Yes, of course. It's a great deal for Boston.
Well I would like to revisit your thoughts on why Denver would be foolish to do it.
Both Mozgov and Chandler are out of the rotation. There isn't really any minutes on their team for them at the moment. In fact they are really only missing a backup PF.
*Lawson and Miller man the PG minutes.
*Igoudala and Brewer get the majority of the SG minutes with Lawson/Miller getting some when they share the floor together
*Gallinari and Igoudala get the SF minutes
* Fraried and Gallinari get the PF minutes
*Koufos and McGhee get the Center minutes
By acquiring Bass they have more alternatives for a backup PF for Fraried. Let's not forget their first round pick Evan Fournier is also a SG and he will need minutes at some time too. Chandler is on an expensive deal for a Coach's DNP player.
I see a lot of reasons for them to move him.
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Trivia: what three players have the worst net plus/minus on the Denver Nuggets this year?
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DEN.HTM
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Trivia: what three players have the worst net plus/minus on the Denver Nuggets this year?
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DEN.HTM
Look who has the best.... None of those players play consistently enough for +/- to be relevant.
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But I don't see any upside to him. Unlike Stiemer, who was clearly a shot blocking specialist, Mozgov never jumped out at me as a guy who did any one thing well.
He's no Stiemsma, but he was 17th last season in block% among players with 500 or more minutes played and he is blocking shots at a similar rate this season.
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Trivia: what three players have the worst net plus/minus on the Denver Nuggets this year?
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DEN.HTM
Look who has the best.... None of those players play consistently enough for +/- to be relevant.
Yeah, but he makes a fair point; Randolph, Mozgov, and Chandler are playing like dookie. Personally for me, I see a deal in the making because of that. But its true, they're the hot garbage of the rotation.
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Trivia: what three players have the worst net plus/minus on the Denver Nuggets this year?
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DEN.HTM
Look who has the best.... None of those players play consistently enough for +/- to be relevant.
Yeah, but he makes a fair point; Randolph, Mozgov, and Chandler are playing like dookie. Personally for me, I see a deal in the making because of that. But its true, they're the hot garbage of the rotation.
I am not saying his point isn't fair. The numbers are what they are and you have to at least recognize them, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them either. Doesn't seem like any of those guys get much opportunity in Denver.
Still if you can use those numbers as a way to buy low then by all means go for it.
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
So you do the trade? If you're the Celtics?
Yes, of course. It's a great deal for Boston.
Well I would like to revisit your thoughts on why Denver would be foolish to do it.
Both Mozgov and Chandler are out of the rotation. There isn't really any minutes on their team for them at the moment. In fact they are really only missing a backup PF.
*Lawson and Miller man the PG minutes.
*Igoudala and Brewer get the majority of the SG minutes with Lawson/Miller getting some when they share the floor together
*Gallinari and Igoudala get the SF minutes
* Fraried and Gallinari get the PF minutes
*Koufos and McGhee get the Center minutes
By acquiring Bass they have more alternatives for a backup PF for Fraried. Let's not forget their first round pick Evan Fournier is also a SG and he will need minutes at some time too. Chandler is on an expensive deal for a Coach's DNP player.
I see a lot of reasons for them to move him.
Wilson Chandler will be back in Denver's rotation once he gets healthy. Injury problems are the only thing that have been holding him back.
Wilson Chandler gives Denver one of the best backup wings in the NBA. He is a major upgrade over Corey Brewer, Jordan Hamilton and Evan Fournier. A top 20 SF in the league today. Capable of playing two guard, quick forward and as a big forward. A three position player. His versatility is a fantastic addition to a squad with Andre Iguodala (SG, SF) and Gallinari (SF, PF).
A lineup with Iggy (SG) + W.Chandler (SF) + Gallinari (PF) is far more dangerous than a lineup with Bass in Chandler's place. Everything Denver can do with Bass, they can do better with Wilson Chandler.
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Denver shouldn't trade Wilson Chandler for Bass.
Wilson Chandler is far more valuable both individually and to Denver with his multi-positional play versus the one position and limited undersized PF Brandon Bass.
So you do the trade? If you're the Celtics?
Yes, of course. It's a great deal for Boston.
Well I would like to revisit your thoughts on why Denver would be foolish to do it.
Both Mozgov and Chandler are out of the rotation. There isn't really any minutes on their team for them at the moment. In fact they are really only missing a backup PF.
*Lawson and Miller man the PG minutes.
*Igoudala and Brewer get the majority of the SG minutes with Lawson/Miller getting some when they share the floor together
*Gallinari and Igoudala get the SF minutes
* Fraried and Gallinari get the PF minutes
*Koufos and McGhee get the Center minutes
By acquiring Bass they have more alternatives for a backup PF for Fraried. Let's not forget their first round pick Evan Fournier is also a SG and he will need minutes at some time too. Chandler is on an expensive deal for a Coach's DNP player.
I see a lot of reasons for them to move him.
Wilson Chandler will be back in Denver's rotation once he gets healthy. Injury problems are the only thing that have been holding him back.
Wilson Chandler gives Denver one of the best backup wings in the NBA. He is a major upgrade over Corey Brewer, Jordan Hamilton and Evan Fournier. A top 20 SF in the league today. Capable of playing two guard, quick forward and as a big forward. A three position player. His versatility is a fantastic addition to a squad with Andre Iguodala (SG, SF) and Gallinari (SF, PF).
A lineup with Iggy (SG) + W.Chandler (SF) + Gallinari (PF) is far more dangerous than a lineup with Bass in Chandler's place. Everything Denver can do with Bass, they can do better with Wilson Chandler.
Most of these Teams in the West don't play small though. Gallo doesn't bang like Bass does. Asking him to guard Blake Griffin, Zach Randolph, Serge Iabaka, and maybe even Tim Duncan for stretches of games seems risky to me. All it takes is foul trouble to Fraried.
Of course playing Devil's Advocate all those guys have to guard Gallo as well.
Might all be moot because I can easily see Gallo being moved in a deal for Gay and maybe that makes Chandler more valuable to the team.
As of now I don't really see a lot of minutes for Chandler with their current rotation. I think he is very movable at the moment.
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An intriguing big man has emerged on the trading block that the Miami Heat could go after. League sources said the Denver Nuggets are looking to deal center Timofey Mozgov, who has been unable to get much playing time on a deep team and has an expiring contract. Mozgov is aware he could be moved by the Feb. 21 trade deadline.
The Heat also could dangle a first-round draft pick they are due from Philadelphia that is lottery protected. It would go to Miami as soon as next June if the 76ers don’t make the playoffs. “I heard Miami is trying to find a big guy,’’ Mozgov said when asked about the Heat, who have had rebounding problems all season. “We’ll see. I don’t know (what might happen).’’
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/01/14/13/Heat-could-pursue-big-man-Timofey-Mozgov/landing_heat.html?blockID=849199&feedID=10140
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An intriguing big man has emerged on the trading block that the Miami Heat could go after. League sources said the Denver Nuggets are looking to deal center Timofey Mozgov, who has been unable to get much playing time on a deep team and has an expiring contract. Mozgov is aware he could be moved by the Feb. 21 trade deadline.
The Heat also could dangle a first-round draft pick they are due from Philadelphia that is lottery protected. It would go to Miami as soon as next June if the 76ers don’t make the playoffs. “I heard Miami is trying to find a big guy,’’ Mozgov said when asked about the Heat, who have had rebounding problems all season. “We’ll see. I don’t know (what might happen).’’
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/01/14/13/Heat-could-pursue-big-man-Timofey-Mozgov/landing_heat.html?blockID=849199&feedID=10140
Ughh don't want him to go there
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An intriguing big man has emerged on the trading block that the Miami Heat could go after. League sources said the Denver Nuggets are looking to deal center Timofey Mozgov, who has been unable to get much playing time on a deep team and has an expiring contract. Mozgov is aware he could be moved by the Feb. 21 trade deadline.
The Heat also could dangle a first-round draft pick they are due from Philadelphia that is lottery protected. It would go to Miami as soon as next June if the 76ers don’t make the playoffs. “I heard Miami is trying to find a big guy,’’ Mozgov said when asked about the Heat, who have had rebounding problems all season. “We’ll see. I don’t know (what might happen).’’
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/01/14/13/Heat-could-pursue-big-man-Timofey-Mozgov/landing_heat.html?blockID=849199&feedID=10140
Ughh don't want him to go there
Meh, I don't think Mozgov would add much to Miami.
Also, I think Miami would be seriously overpaying for Mozgov if they gave up that Philly draft pick for him. Bad use of their assets. If they were to make this deal, they lose more than they gain.
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I don't think Denver is getting a first round pick for Mozgov.
Maybe a pair of second rounders. Something like that. With an expiring deal or a trade exception that would save them a small bit of cash.
Yep. Bigs are always valuable, but Mozgov isn't worth a 1st
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/13/danilo-gallinari-ty-lawson-nuggets-warriors/1831815/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/13/danilo-gallinari-ty-lawson-nuggets-warriors/1831815/)
Wilson Chandler returned after a two-month absence due to hip problems with a strong effort on both sides of the ball for the Denver Nuggets.
Chandler scored 14 points in 21 minutes, tops among Denver's reserves, and had two steals to key a big fourth-quarter run as the Nuggets rallied past the Golden State Warriors 116-105 Sunday night for their season-high fifth consecutive win.
Yes chandler is off to a rough start this year, but you have to cut him a little slack - he transitioned back into the NBA midseason last year due to playing overseas and injuries have kept him out for a while this year.
He seems to have fallen off a bit from what he once was, but he's a much more valuable player than Brandon Bass when healthy. I'd love to see Chandler in green, but i think Denver could get more for him.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/13/danilo-gallinari-ty-lawson-nuggets-warriors/1831815/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/13/danilo-gallinari-ty-lawson-nuggets-warriors/1831815/)
Wilson Chandler returned after a two-month absence due to hip problems with a strong effort on both sides of the ball for the Denver Nuggets.
Chandler scored 14 points in 21 minutes, tops among Denver's reserves, and had two steals to key a big fourth-quarter run as the Nuggets rallied past the Golden State Warriors 116-105 Sunday night for their season-high fifth consecutive win.
Yes chandler is off to a rough start this year, but you have to cut him a little slack - he transitioned back into the NBA midseason last year due to playing overseas and injuries have kept him out for a while this year.
He seems to have fallen off a bit from what he once was, but he's a much more valuable player than Brandon Bass when healthy. I'd love to see Chandler in green, but i think Denver could get more for him.
I'm reading your post and expecting the article to say he did bad but he did well?!
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pass unless its for a 2nd rounder
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Trivia: what three players have the worst net plus/minus on the Denver Nuggets this year?
http://www.82games.com/1213/1213DEN.HTM
Look who has the best.... None of those players play consistently enough for +/- to be relevant.
Yeah, but he makes a fair point; Randolph, Mozgov, and Chandler are playing like dookie. Personally for me, I see a deal in the making because of that. But its true, they're the hot garbage of the rotation.
I am not saying his point isn't fair. The numbers are what they are and you have to at least recognize them, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them either. Doesn't seem like any of those guys get much opportunity in Denver.
Still if you can use those numbers as a way to buy low then by all means go for it.
I asked the question as much for humor value as anything, and I agree about the sample size being small because they don't play much, but it is worth pointing out that not playing much and having horrible numbers are not completely unrelated phenomena.
Chandler's case is different of course because he's been hurt.
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I'm one of the people that always wanted A. Randolph too, but if he hasn't panned out by now, it's unlikely he will. Right?
Mosgov doesn't seem to be that much of an upgrade from Semih, who is hanging out somewhere in Europe.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6205867 ;D
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A deal for Mozgov could actually work because we would have the upper hand with them needing Bass. We could probably ask for one of Anthony Randolph, Evan Fournier, Quincy Miller, Jordan Hamilton, or a second round pick.
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
I'm sure he's not. Nobody's calling him amazing.
If they could reduce Collins's minutes, I'd be more than happy. We already have Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sully at the 4 so I can see why Bass is expendable.
Randolph/Mozgov can't be worse than Collins or Hollins right?
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
I'm sure he's not. Nobody's calling him amazing.
If they could reduce Collins's minutes, I'd be more than happy. We already have Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sully at the 4 so I can see why Bass is expendable.
Randolph/Mozgov can't be worse than Collins or Hollins right?
He's overrated day in and day out here. He's the Cs least effective player. You could sign DJ White out of Shanghai and pretty much get the same overall impact, as far as I'm concerned.
But I don't see taking guaranteed money on Randolph for him. Bass is the closest thing we have to a knucklehead in green -- getting Mozgov isn't worth taking Randolph to me, unless they just cut the guy.
If they'd do someone like Fournier with Mozgov for Boss, I'm game. But why would Denver?
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
I'm sure he's not. Nobody's calling him amazing.
If they could reduce Collins's minutes, I'd be more than happy. We already have Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sully at the 4 so I can see why Bass is expendable.
Randolph/Mozgov can't be worse than Collins or Hollins right?
He's overrated day in and day out here. He's the Cs least effective player. You could sign DJ White out of Shanghai and pretty much get the same overall impact, as far as I'm concerned.
But I don't see taking guaranteed money on Randolph for him. Bass is the closest thing we have to a knucklehead in green -- getting Mozgov isn't worth taking Randolph to me, unless they just cut the guy.
If they'd do someone like Fournier with Mozgov for Boss, I'm game. But why would Denver?
Comments I see range from "he sucks" to "he's okay". Pretty much straight across the board the consensus is if we're to make a trade, he'd be the one so there's no contradiction here.
By knucklehead do you mean low basketball IQ? Or locker room poison?
I haven't heard much about him being a bad teammate. Wikipedia says he had questionable work ethic in Golden State way back when. This site (http://nbaroundtable.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/kevin-love-on-bad-locker-room-presences/) speculates that he's been discontent with playing time...but I haven't heard much from his stint on the Nuggets.
I wouldn't ever want to hurt our locker room. Doesn't seem like he would.
If it's on court IQ, you don't like Bass's IQ either. Plus he wouldn't sniff the floor so why would it matter?
Worst case scenario is we upgrade Bass to a legit sized center, freeing up minutes for our many forwards. All for a roster spot and salary filler in Anthony Randolph, right?
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
Why on Earth do the Celtics trade for Wilson Chandler when they have Jeff Green, Courtney Lee and Jason Terry already playing the back ups at the wing position and the C's are already struggling to find all those guys minutes?
Unless you have a deal that is sending Green out of town, trading Bass and Melo for Mozgov and Chandler makes no sense. Bass is a much more useful player than Mosgov and it seems a shame to give him and a prospect up for a mediocre backup center and a guy you can never give minutes to.
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He's on it!
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How many of you would do this?
Mozgov and Wilson chandler
For
Brandon bass and fab melo?
I think chandler could be a nice asset (more so then bass) for a future trade this summer or next season. Mozgov could potentially help this team this season more then bass could.
Why on Earth do the Celtics trade for Wilson Chandler when they have Jeff Green, Courtney Lee and Jason Terry already playing the back ups at the wing position and the C's are already struggling to find all those guys minutes?
Unless you have a deal that is sending Green out of town, trading Bass and Melo for Mozgov and Chandler makes no sense. Bass is a much more useful player than Mosgov and it seems a shame to give him and a prospect up for a mediocre backup center and a guy you can never give minutes to.
Chandler is an asset. That's all. Flip him or one of the others in the summer. This is all mentioned in the thread based on his value being greater universally then Bass's value. My back and forth with Who and pearl jammer I believe explain my thinking.
I'm not sold mozgov wouldn't be more valuable to us then Bass. Bass starts but his role is being reduced weekly. When Wilcox comes back that likely increases. A big center would be nice to have. Between Wilcox kg and sully and green we have enough to handle the PF load. It's at backup C we are thin.
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We don't need just any big, we need a big that can rebound and good in the post. I wouldn't move a piece for this guy. We need a splash trade, not another patch.
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I wont give up a ton for him.
Would they do Bass and a 2nd rounder? Coz I mean, he's a big but I dont think he'll change anything. Well, maybe a little bit but still, that's pretty much what Danny should just offer.
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I wont give up a ton for him.
Would they do Bass and a 2nd rounder? Coz I mean, he's a big but I dont think he'll change anything. Well, maybe a little bit but still, that's pretty much what Danny should just offer.
100% Agree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMNF-FqCh2A
The kid has skill, he has a nice little 12 foot jumper... it's not like he's some big hulking body, he knows how to play.
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wish denver would take the bass bait. this kid is way better than collins and looks to have the hustle of semih erden.
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Doesn't Denver still have the aprox $13m trade exception from dealing Nene?
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
I'm sure he's not. Nobody's calling him amazing.
If they could reduce Collins's minutes, I'd be more than happy. We already have Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sully at the 4 so I can see why Bass is expendable.
Randolph/Mozgov can't be worse than Collins or Hollins right?
He's overrated day in and day out here. He's the Cs least effective player. You could sign DJ White out of Shanghai and pretty much get the same overall impact, as far as I'm concerned.
But I don't see taking guaranteed money on Randolph for him. Bass is the closest thing we have to a knucklehead in green -- getting Mozgov isn't worth taking Randolph to me, unless they just cut the guy.
If they'd do someone like Fournier with Mozgov for Boss, I'm game. But why would Denver?
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It's pretty far fetched to imagine that Mozgov is going to have a real impact on the Cs championship hopes in 2013.
I supposed I'd do it to be rid of Bass -- a dim whit and severely overrated on this board -- but not with Randolph coming back. His ship has sailed.
I'm sure he's not. Nobody's calling him amazing.
If they could reduce Collins's minutes, I'd be more than happy. We already have Jeff Green, Wilcox and Sully at the 4 so I can see why Bass is expendable.
Randolph/Mozgov can't be worse than Collins or Hollins right?
He's overrated day in and day out here. He's the Cs least effective player. You could sign DJ White out of Shanghai and pretty much get the same overall impact, as far as I'm concerned.
But I don't see taking guaranteed money on Randolph for him. Bass is the closest thing we have to a knucklehead in green -- getting Mozgov isn't worth taking Randolph to me, unless they just cut the guy.
If they'd do someone like Fournier with Mozgov for Bass, I'm game. But why would Denver?
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Meaning... we don't have any. Just cause Bass isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer doesn't make him a distraction.
Randolph is obviously worse -- a Gerald Green type.
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Chandler is an asset. That's all. Flip him or one of the others in the summer.
Chandler is not an asset. Not until he plays a 20-30 game stretch without injury or drama, plays hard, and plays well.
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Chandler is an asset. That's all. Flip him or one of the others in the summer.
Chandler is not an asset. Not until he plays a 20-30 game stretch without injury or drama, plays hard, and plays well.
This.
Add in that the only time it's worth bringing in someone that you plan to use as a trade chip is if they're becoming (or are) an expiring contract.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4701393/practice-x-rays-for-ailing-bradley
Quote from the comments section of that ESPN article:
We probably won't trade him, even if it's just that no one wants him, and we can't give up a big without getting one in return. We're too small right now
I heard Denver likes him.
Seriously? Why?
They need a backup PF and have too many centers (Koufos, Javalle and Mozgov).
Can't seem to find a source on google. Anybody know if this is true? Because I'd be stoked if we can get Randolph and Mozgov just by giving up Bass.
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It makes sense. Mozgov said he wouldn't be surprised if he were traded, and given he's in the last year of his deal, the Nuggets will at least explore the market. Mozgov is buried behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee on the depth chart, and he hasn't played more than 15 minutes in a game since December 5.
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It's the second straight report that Mozgov is on the block. The big man has picked up a slew of DNP-Coach's Decision in January, and he's buried on the depth chart behind both Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee. "I want to play," Mozgov said. "I want to stay. But more than I want to stay, I want to play." The Heat "are among several teams believed to be interested in Mozgov."
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Denver Trades: Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov, Anthony Randolph
Denver Gets: Andrea Bargnani, Fab Melo, Quincy Acy
Why for Denver? Denver brings in the very talented offensive player in Bargnani who could be a very nice stretch four for them. They bring in a talented defensive big man in Melo.
Boston Trades: Brandon Bass and Fab Melo
Boston Gets: Timofey Mozgov, Anthony Randolph, Linas Kleiza
Why for the Celtics? The Celtics need to get a decent back up center to have any chance of making some noise in the East. I believe Mozgoz can provide the defense and rebounding that they need. Randolph is still very young and maybe with Doc/KG/Pierce etc they can get something out of his talent. Kleiza is a nice end of the bench player that can provide some help if an injury happens. In this deal I would also expect the Celtics to try and sign Kenyon Martin to become the backup 4.
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what if miami heat sign him,
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a) can you provide a link to the rumor?
b) you seem to be having a good conversation with yourself, so excuse me if I'm interrupting
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a) can you provide a link to the rumor?
b) you seem to be having a good conversation with yourself, so excuse me if I'm interrupting
saw it here.
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_22446293/little-used-timofey-mozgov-unlikely-stay-denver-nuggets
http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/01/14/13/Might-Heat-pursue-Nuggets-center-Mozgov/landing_heat.html?blockID=849199&feedID=10140
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a) can you provide a link to the rumor?
b) you seem to be having a good conversation with yourself, so excuse me if I'm interrupting
i was also looking on gortat but its on josh smith trade
also dalembert sir... but no rumors
i think its monta and dalembert package
http://nycsportsreport.info/nyc-sports/javale-mcgees-return-pushes-timofey-mozgov-out-of-nuggets-spotlight/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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right, so old news
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right, so old news
oh... ok
but the latest is rip hamilton for mozgov
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Especially with Sully down, I would have no desire to trade Bass for Mozgov.
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Especially with Sully down, I would have no desire to trade Bass for Mozgov.
i see this team as a contender, but big man who?
ben wallace?
erick dampier?
kenyon martin?
d-league?
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How many different Mozgov threads can we get around here?
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Can anyone put the other mozgov thread together.
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maybe a 3 team trade
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maybe a 3 team trade
Sure, how about Mozgov to some team, someone to the Nuggets, and no-one to the Celtics?
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1st Trade
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbr5kcl
Boston Gets
Timofey Mozgov
Anthony Randolph
Denver Gets
Patrick Patterson
Houston Gets
Brandon Bass
2nd Trade
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bcxquxs
Boston Gets
Timofey Mozgov
Anthony Randolph
Denver Gets
Brandon Bass
Houston Gets
Greg Monroe
Kim English
Detroit Gets
Patrick Patterson
Justin Hamilton
3rd Trade
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aojgmc4
Boston Gets
Timofey Mozgov
Anthony Randolph
Denver Gets
Brandon Bass
Greg Smith
Milwaukee Gets
Patrick Patterson
Evan Fournier
Houston Gets
Samuel Dalembert
John Henson
Doron Lamb
What Do You Think?
Good? Or Bad?
Why?
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This Is A Fair Trade
To Me I Think
It Gives Us Two Big Man
And Get Rid Of Brandon Bass Huge Contract
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I like the first one the most
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I like the first one the most
all of that can happen
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Interesting that we get two big man with potential by giving away the worst player by value involved in the trade scenarios.
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Interesting that we get two big man with potential by giving away the worst player by value involved in the trade scenarios.
no one loses here everyone wins
patterson is a good player, so that nuggets can resign iggy and others salary cap is reduced
while houston really needs a PF and it rumored before that they are interested in bass
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This is about the 4095458967958679685th thread you started that involves Timofey Mozgov. So I've come to theobvious conclusion: you are Timofey Mozgov. So first, I'd like to welcome you to our blog, and say we're happy to have you. It's great that you want to play in Boston. Let's set something straight,though: you suck. It's great for you that the Knicks were so desperate for a seven footer who could chew gum and walk at the same time that had to dig you out of Russia, but let's face it, that's as far as your abilities go. So thank you for your contribution, but let's just say you have no business on an NBA floor.
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This is about the 4095458967958679685th thread you started that involves Timofey Mozgov. So I've come to theobvious conclusion: you are Timofey Mozgov. So first, I'd like to welcome you to our blog, and say we're happy to have you. It's great that you want to play in Boston. Let's set something straight,though: you suck. It's great for you that the Knicks were so desperate for a seven footer who could chew gum and walk at the same time that had to dig you out of Russia, but let's face it, that's as far as your abilities go. So thank you for your contribution, but let's just say you have no business on an NBA floor.
what are you mad for?
maybe your a josh smith fan forcing him to come to the celtics, or al jef fans, this is the realistic trade to happen, why so very sarcastic,
ok next time i'll make a post on luke walton trade for paul pierce, what wrong with you,
what if i make another rumor gortat for bradley green and lee for gortat, you want that?
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This is about the 4095458967958679685th thread you started that involves Timofey Mozgov. So I've come to theobvious conclusion: you are Timofey Mozgov. So first, I'd like to welcome you to our blog, and say we're happy to have you. It's great that you want to play in Boston. Let's set something straight,though: you suck. It's great for you that the Knicks were so desperate for a seven footer who could chew gum and walk at the same time that had to dig you out of Russia, but let's face it, that's as far as your abilities go. So thank you for your contribution, but let's just say you have no business on an NBA floor.
and you know what celtics are in salary cap
you want bass for some player who? another pf?
that will not change everything
unless its zach randolph or kevin love or lamarcus aldridge for brandon bass
you know why i post this trade, this can happen, you want to blow up the team?
cousins exchange for rondo?
jeff green for al jefferson?
gortat for bradley and lee?
what?
i think before i post
how about you?
you hate my post then don't read it
simple as that
i can sense you think this team cannot win even 2nd round playoffs?
then you don't have any confidence, go cheer for miami
i'm not saying we can win this by adding those 2 guys, but with bass or without bass we cannot win too, what i'm pointing here is we may have a chance, by adding a big man our team, and also gives our veterans a rest,
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
He's better than Collins, but that's not particularly hard to accomplish.
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
simple as this
BASS KNOW THE SYSTEM
BUT HE DOES NOT FIT THE SYSTEM
he has offense but less defense
you are a PF rebounds and box out
with 200+ lbs body
JERMAINE ONEAL
ERDIN
STEIMSMA
JEFFERSON
POWE
SULLINGER
KRISTIC
this guys fits the system
will it hurt celtics feeling seeing bass traded i don't think so,
i'm not a brandon bass hater
but it's not working for him
his value is always high
i repeat HE DOES NOT FIT THE SYSTEM EVEN IF HE KNOWS THE SYSTEM
and i don't care if mozgov goes somewhere even bulls
at least i'm not a delusional fans who will say
trade rondo for cousins
bradley green terry lee for smith
green bass lee for gasol
kg to okc kg to clippers
hate that rumors
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
No, but Mozgov is a better player at the backup center position.
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
No, but Mozgov is a better player at the backup center position.
True. If we plan to use Mozgov at backup center, then we'd be left with no starting power forward, though. I don't think Doc has any plans to give Wilcox a large role.
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The Nuggets are rumored to be leaning toward keeping Timofey Mozgov unless they receive a "crazy good" trade offer. The source of the tidbit, ESPN's Marc Stein, prefaces it with the warning that it may be "mere posturing" by someone "plugged into the Nuggets' plans," a warning we'll take the opportunity to echo. Mozgov has been chafing with a limited role behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee, the Heat have already been mentioned as a possible suitor, and Christopher Dempsey of the Denver Post wrote in January, "In less than a month, Timofey Mozgov is unlikely to be with the Nuggets." Stay tuned.
Source: ESPN.com
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The Nuggets are rumored to be leaning toward keeping Timofey Mozgov unless they receive a "crazy good" trade offer. The source of the tidbit, ESPN's Marc Stein, prefaces it with the warning that it may be "mere posturing" by someone "plugged into the Nuggets' plans," a warning we'll take the opportunity to echo. Mozgov has been chafing with a limited role behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee, the Heat have already been mentioned as a possible suitor, and Christopher Dempsey of the Denver Post wrote in January, "In less than a month, Timofey Mozgov is unlikely to be with the Nuggets." Stay tuned.
Source: ESPN.com
He better not go to the Heat! That's the last thing we need. We should trade for him just to make sure the Heat don't get him.
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Is Mozgov even better than Bass?
No, but Mozgov is a better player at the backup center position.
True. If we plan to use Mozgov at backup center, then we'd be left with no starting power forward, though. I don't think Doc has any plans to give Wilcox a large role.
I have no problem starting Wilcox together with Garnett myself.
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I don't want to give up anybody though.
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This Is A Fair Trade
To Me I Think
It Gives Us Two Big Man
And Get Rid Of Brandon Bass Huge Contract
They Actually All Do That...
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I wouldnt trade a 1st for him..plus he is a FA also.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6xyq87
Celtics get bigger with a real C and tall PF.
Memphis apparently wants Lee. So they get him while dropping Prince's salary.
Denver picks up a pretty versatile and good 2/3 that can run and play tough D while not giving up anything they are really using.
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DEN have a good crop of players at SG/SF already, wouldn't be able to find room for Tayshaun. However, I think if we offered them Bass for that, they would be hard pressed to turn us down.
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In another deal. Would you throw Fab Melo in a deal to land Josh Smith to the Nets if it gets us Blatche for a run at this season?
Atl would get something like Humphries, Brooks, and Melo. Hawks apparently want a young C in the deal.
Nets get Smith.
Celtics get Blatche.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6xyq87
Celtics get bigger with a real C and tall PF.
Memphis apparently wants Lee. So they get him while dropping Prince's salary.
Denver picks up a pretty versatile and good 2/3 that can run and play tough D while not giving up anything they are really using.
change it to brandon bass lee is ok for us for defensive purposes
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The Nuggets are rumored to be leaning toward keeping Timofey Mozgov unless they receive a "crazy good" trade offer. The source of the tidbit, ESPN's Marc Stein, prefaces it with the warning that it may be "mere posturing" by someone "plugged into the Nuggets' plans," a warning we'll take the opportunity to echo. Mozgov has been chafing with a limited role behind Kosta Koufos and JaVale McGee, the Heat have already been mentioned as a possible suitor, and Christopher Dempsey of the Denver Post wrote in January, "In less than a month, Timofey Mozgov is unlikely to be with the Nuggets." Stay tuned.
Source: ESPN.com
He better not go to the Heat! That's the last thing we need. We should trade for him just to make sure the Heat don't get him.
we are dead if the heat gets him...
but im sure they want to include anthony randolph too in a package trade deal...
so i think the heat has no pieces to give in