What can Brown do for Team USA? Just about everything

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Nope. One playoff run is enough to at least tip you in that direction, but we do agree that he needs to do it longer.

[nickagneta]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

[Fierce1]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

[Somebody]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

We can say that for Tatum and Hayward as well tbh, they haven't been great for multiple seasons.

[Fierce1]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

We can say that for Tatum and Hayward as well tbh, they haven't been great for multiple seasons.

Hayward's a done deal because the Celts already gave him a 32m per year contract.

Tatum still has this season and next season to prove he's going to be a star.

But Brown's time has come.
If the Celts don't give Brown and extension next month, he becomes a RFA next summer.
That's very risky because there will be a team desperate enough to offer Brown 30m per year.
Celts can't afford to give that kind of money to Brown because the Celts are still lacking a quality big man or star player.

I'm not saying Brown is bad,all I'm saying is the Celts can do better.

A Sabonis for Brown trade helps both teams as Sabonis would fill a need.

If the Celts want a blockbuster, they can package Brown and Smart for a guy like Beal.

We all want the same thing, for the Celts to win another championship.
But the Celts will never achieve that if the Celts don't upgrade.

[nickagneta]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

Brown played pretty great ball once he got back from injury and started playing on the bench. From 12/6/18 onward he had 13.7/4.3/1.7 numbers with shooting splits of 48.8/37.9/66.9 and a TS% around 59-60.

He did that in 25 minutes. That mean's his Per36 numbers would be around 20/6/2.5 with those really good shooting numbers.

Brown has had more than one great year. He started off awful last year, as did many on the team, but bounced back, filled his role and played great the rest of the year. Ainge and Stevens even singled out Brown as having handled last year the best of any Celtic in going out and thriving in his role through all the craziness.

[Somebody]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

We can say that for Tatum and Hayward as well tbh, they haven't been great for multiple seasons.

Hayward's a done deal because the Celts already gave him a 32m per year contract.

Tatum still has this season and next season to prove he's going to be a star.

But Brown's time has come.
If the Celts don't give Brown and extension next month, he becomes a RFA next summer.
That's very risky because there will be a team desperate enough to offer Brown 30m per year.
Celts can't afford to give that kind of money to Brown because the Celts are still lacking a quality big man or star player.

I'm not saying Brown is bad,all I'm saying is the Celts can do better.

A Sabonis for Brown trade helps both teams as Sabonis would fill a need.

If the Celts want a blockbuster, they can package Brown and Smart for a guy like Beal.

We all want the same thing, for the Celts to win another championship.
But the Celts will never achieve that if the Celts don't upgrade.

That Hayward argument is garbage if I use your logic, what's separating him from the second coming of Mark Blount? I understand the Tatum argument though. And why is it risky to hold onto him for now? If he truly doesn't make the leap we can start thinking of trading him, but now is not the time, nor are those targets appealing enough to us in terms of quality or fit.

[Fierce1]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

Brown played pretty great ball once he got back from injury and started playing on the bench. From 12/6/18 onward he had 13.7/4.3/1.7 numbers with shooting splits of 48.8/37.9/66.9 and a TS% around 59-60.

He did that in 25 minutes. That mean's his Per36 numbers would be around 20/6/2.5 with those really good shooting numbers.

Brown has had more than one great year. He started off awful last year, as did many on the team, but bounced back, filled his role and played great the rest of the year. Ainge and Stevens even singled out Brown as having handled last year the best of any Celtic in going out and thriving in his role through all the craziness.

My question to you is Jaylen Brown going to be on the same level as Paul George, Jimmy Butler, and Kawhi Leonard?

There's no doubt that Jaylen Brown is a very good player.
But I don't think he's the next Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce.

We star players in today's NBA.

Celts are in win now mode.

If Ainge kept his word about building around Brown and Tatum, Kemba should not have been signed.
But because of Kemba and Hayward, the Celts are in win now mode.
So waiting to see if Jaylen can be special is out of the question.
What Ainge needs to do right now is upgrade the team so that it can be on par with the elite teams of the NBA.

[Fierce1]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

We can say that for Tatum and Hayward as well tbh, they haven't been great for multiple seasons.

Hayward's a done deal because the Celts already gave him a 32m per year contract.

Tatum still has this season and next season to prove he's going to be a star.

But Brown's time has come.
If the Celts don't give Brown and extension next month, he becomes a RFA next summer.
That's very risky because there will be a team desperate enough to offer Brown 30m per year.
Celts can't afford to give that kind of money to Brown because the Celts are still lacking a quality big man or star player.

I'm not saying Brown is bad,all I'm saying is the Celts can do better.

A Sabonis for Brown trade helps both teams as Sabonis would fill a need.

If the Celts want a blockbuster, they can package Brown and Smart for a guy like Beal.

We all want the same thing, for the Celts to win another championship.
But the Celts will never achieve that if the Celts don't upgrade.

That Hayward argument is garbage if I use your logic, what's separating him from the second coming of Mark Blount? I understand the Tatum argument though. And why is it risky to hold onto him for now? If he truly doesn't make the leap we can start thinking of trading him, but now is not the time, nor are those targets appealing enough to us in terms of quality or fit.

Right now nobody wants Hayward and his contract.
It's too risky for most of the teams.
So the Celts are stuck with Hayward.

I'm not saying trade Brown now.
Give Brown from October until January or February to make a decision.
Like nick said, if Brown has and up and down season in the first 20 games, Brown is just worth Marcus Smart money.
If that's the case then clearly Brown is not a special player.

I watched 80% of the Celtic games last season and Brad always went with Kyrie, Smart, Tatum, Morris or Hayward, and Horford in the last 5 minutes of the game.
You rarely see Brown play in crunch time.

Remember 2007 when we had a future All-Star in Al Jefferson?
Ainge traded that future All-Star for a 31-year old KG.
It was a huge upgrade and the Celts ended up winning a championship.

That's what I want the Celts to do this season.

By signing Kemba, it means the Celts are in win now mode.

If the Celts have Kemba, Beal, Hayward, and Tatum, that Big 4 is very similar to the Big 4 of KD, Klay, Steph, and Draymond.

Beal might not be available now, but January or February could be a different story when the Wiz are going nowhere.

[Fafnir]

There are different degrees of "win now".

The Celtics are trying to win this year. But if Tatum/Brown/Hayward don't leap to all-nba level to join Kemba as a true stars they aren't winning it all.

You don't trade a young player with RFA for a short term upgrade when your core is still young and you probably need more talent overall to win it all anyways. The idea that they must trade Brown because they signed Kemba is short-sighted.

[nickagneta]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

Brown played pretty great ball once he got back from injury and started playing on the bench. From 12/6/18 onward he had 13.7/4.3/1.7 numbers with shooting splits of 48.8/37.9/66.9 and a TS% around 59-60.

He did that in 25 minutes. That mean's his Per36 numbers would be around 20/6/2.5 with those really good shooting numbers.

Brown has had more than one great year. He started off awful last year, as did many on the team, but bounced back, filled his role and played great the rest of the year. Ainge and Stevens even singled out Brown as having handled last year the best of any Celtic in going out and thriving in his role through all the craziness.

My question to you is Jaylen Brown going to be on the same level as Paul George, Jimmy Butler, and Kawhi Leonard?

There's no doubt that Jaylen Brown is a very good player.
But I don't think he's the next Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce.

We star players in today's NBA.

Celts are in win now mode.

If Ainge kept his word about building around Brown and Tatum, Kemba should not have been signed.
But because of Kemba and Hayward, the Celts are in win now mode.
So waiting to see if Jaylen can be special is out of the question.
What Ainge needs to do right now is upgrade the team so that it can be on par with the elite teams of the NBA.

He is 22. In 3-4 years when Jaylen is the wicked old age of 26, I could see him being one of the best two way players in the game, a very Jimmy Butler like player but with a better outside shot.

And next year and beyond, I think the combo of Smart and Brown would create more wins for the Celtics than just Beal, so I would never do that trade.

[Donoghus]

There are different degrees of "win now".

The Celtics are trying to win this year. But if Tatum/Brown/Hayward don't leap to all-nba level to join Kemba as a true stars they aren't winning it all.

You don't trade a young player with RFA for a short term upgrade when your core is still young and you probably need more talent overall to win it all anyways. The idea that they must trade Brown because they signed Kemba is short-sighted.

This in a nutshell.

They're trying to win now given the roster construct AND also looking towards the future with this younger core they have.    This team's ceiling isn't in the '19-20 but beyond.    Trading some of it away for a short term "bump" seems to be against what they've been trying to do.

[Fierce1]

There are different degrees of "win now".

The Celtics are trying to win this year. But if Tatum/Brown/Hayward don't leap to all-nba level to join Kemba as a true stars they aren't winning it all.

You don't trade a young player with RFA for a short term upgrade when your core is still young and you probably need more talent overall to win it all anyways. The idea that they must trade Brown because they signed Kemba is short-sighted.

Both Kemba and Hayward are 29 years old.

There was nothing wrong if Ainge kept his word to build around Tatum and Brown.
That way the team will grow together.

By signing Kemba, the Celts will most likely have a 3-year window because when Kemba reaches the age of 32, his speed and quickness will start to deteriorate.

If Bradley Beal becomes available, replacing Brown with Beal is an upgrade.

[Donoghus]

If Bradley Beal becomes available, replacing Brown with Beal is an upgrade.

Is gaining Beal while losing Brown & others an upgrade, though?

[Fierce1]

Brown proved in season 2 he could be a #1 or #2 offensive option.

Brown proved in seasons 2 and 3 that he is a great two way wing that can play both the SG and SF position.

Brown proved last year he can take on the role of bench player/sixth man and succeed there.

Brown proved the last two seasons he is an even better playoff performer than he is a regular season performer.

And now, this summer, for team USA, Jaylen proved he can guard the PF and C positions very well against high quality players.

And after proving all that, Jaylen is going to get less minutes and be worth less money because....why exactly? Aren't players that prove all that type of stuff players you keep and pay a lot of money to?

I don't think one playoff run proves anything.  To prove he can be a #1 or #2 option, Brown needs to do it over a much longer time frame.  He has yet to do that frankly.  IMO, Brown is an average #3 at best and a #5 at worst.

Jaylen was the team's #2 offensive option his 2nd year in the league. Once Kyrie went down, he became a defacto co-#1 option along with Tatum for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs. That is plenty of proof right there.

One season of playing well is not enough proof to conclude that the player is a great player.

Danny Ainge learned his lesson after giving Mark Blount a big contract after Blount had a very good 2003-04 season.

Brown played pretty great ball once he got back from injury and started playing on the bench. From 12/6/18 onward he had 13.7/4.3/1.7 numbers with shooting splits of 48.8/37.9/66.9 and a TS% around 59-60.

He did that in 25 minutes. That mean's his Per36 numbers would be around 20/6/2.5 with those really good shooting numbers.

Brown has had more than one great year. He started off awful last year, as did many on the team, but bounced back, filled his role and played great the rest of the year. Ainge and Stevens even singled out Brown as having handled last year the best of any Celtic in going out and thriving in his role through all the craziness.

My question to you is Jaylen Brown going to be on the same level as Paul George, Jimmy Butler, and Kawhi Leonard?

There's no doubt that Jaylen Brown is a very good player.
But I don't think he's the next Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce.

We star players in today's NBA.

Celts are in win now mode.

If Ainge kept his word about building around Brown and Tatum, Kemba should not have been signed.
But because of Kemba and Hayward, the Celts are in win now mode.
So waiting to see if Jaylen can be special is out of the question.
What Ainge needs to do right now is upgrade the team so that it can be on par with the elite teams of the NBA.

He is 22. In 3-4 years when Jaylen is the wicked old age of 26, I could see him being one of the best two way players in the game, a very Jimmy Butler like player but with a better outside shot.

And next year and beyond, I think the combo of Smart and Brown would create more wins for the Celtics than just Beal, so I would never do that trade.

So let's agree to disagree.

I just don't believe Brown is going to become a closer like Jimmy Butler.

The FT shooting alone tells you Brown is not going to become a scorer in the NBA.

All the great scorers shoot well at the FT line because they get a lot of points from the FT line.

Brown has never shot 70% or higher his whole NBA career and in college.