Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)

[Evantime34]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

[footey]

Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.

Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL

Yikes I don't want to be in any situation where Lonzo Ball (and Lavar Ball) might end up in Boston. Better to not risk that .

Creative idea, but ugh.

[Monkhouse]

Thing is, even if we received assurances that Kawhi would re-sign. His words are simply meaningless and unbelievably inconsistent, and I would take it with a grain of salt. Can't trust him, nor his camp to make under the table handshake agreements.

Unless Ainge is 100% sure he'll re-sign, then again Kawhi seems like he really does want to go to LA.

[gift]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Probably not ultimately the case. But could be the Spurs value picks over players so they can get "their type" of guy. Notorious for having a type.

[saltlover]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?

It is impossible, capwise, for the Spurs and Celtics to agree to a trade that does not involve one of Horford, Hayward, Irving, Brown, Or Tatum.  So if the Celtics have made an actual offer the Spurs could accept, even if they wouldn’t want to, one has to be included.

[PAOBoston]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Without an assurance from Leonard about staying past next year, I just can't bring myself to agree on trading Brown's productivity/ contract for 1 year of Leonard.

Personally, I think this is all Ainge trying to make Magic sweat and do a Nets heist type deal for the Spurs.

[Roy H.]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

[GreenEnvy]

If no Brown, no Tatum.... then what?

The only way this is possible is with a Smart S&T or using Kyrie (or Hayward or Horford).

If Ainge can pull off Leonard without losing a starter....wow.

Smart S&T, Morris, Williams, MEM19, LAC19 + salary fillers if needed (Nader or Yabu)? Might need more still, but Williams may be very enticing to them...

I wouldn’t be opposed to swapping the MEM19 with the SAC19 if it’ll get it done. If we can keep Brown/Tatum/Rozier, they can have whatever they want.

[PaulAllen]

IMO at this point my best offer would be Rozier/Morris/Yabuesle and Memphis pick

[gift]

My girlfriend doesn't really like basketball. Has probably watched about 40 minutes of Celtics games with me this year, and heard me talk about the team.

I told her about the Kawhi Leonard rumor and informed her about how good of a player he is. She concluded that Jaylen Brown would be the one that needed to be traded (certainly "not Kyrie or that 19 year old").

[GreenEnvy]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?

It is impossible, capwise, for the Spurs and Celtics to agree to a trade that does not involve one of Horford, Hayward, Irving, Brown, Or Tatum.  So if the Celtics have made an actual offer the Spurs could accept, even if they wouldn’t want to, one has to be included.

I thought it was discussed here (or elsewhere, I forget) that if Smart did a S&T that it could potentially be done? Unlikely but still possible?

[Phantom255x]

There's ZERO CHANCE Kawhi is coming here, period.

R-E-L-A-X folks. Ainge and Buford are just chilling via Skype leaking out rumors to milk the Lakers out of all their assets in a trade. I'm all for it 

While it would suck to see Kawhi (and George + Lebron) go to LAL, if it came at the expense of Ingram, Kuzma, Randle (via S&T) and Hart, it would sting less IMHO (that's a lot of depth/youth being traded away). Also, LAL would still have to clear Deng's contract to even fit George + Lebron, and that will be difficult.

Meanwhile, SAS has NO interest in Lonzo or Deng's contract either according to Woj (he said it on ESPN last night. Don't have link unfortunately)

[Phantom255x]

Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

Yeah... no. That's like saying that for PHI to make a trade, one of Fultz/Simmons/Embiid is necessary. Absurd considering he's a rental who has made zero assurances to either team he'd stay long term.

Let the Spurs hang up and simply leak rumors out there to drive up the price. Ainge isn't a fool to trade Brown/Irving/Tatum for a rental. Even Kyrie for Kawhi makes zero sense unless you have the utmost belief Rozier is a legit starting PG for a full season. (Also we'd have a legit logjam at the wings positions)

[GreenEnvy]

Can Isaiah be included in a Sign & Trade?

Would be interesting if Spurs can get something like IT, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks and have them take back additional salary like Mills or Gasol.

Spurs could buy low on an All-NBA player on a shorter deal and see if he can return to glory. Also blocks the Lakers from getting two max free agents.

[Phantom255x]

Can Isaiah be included in a Sign & Trade?

Would be interesting if Spurs can get something like IT, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks and have them take back additional salary like Mills or Gasol.

Spurs could buy low on an All-NBA player on a shorter deal and see if he can return to glory. Also blocks the Lakers from getting two max free agents.

Don't think so, because IT is a UFA. Randle is RFA, like Smart. S&T can be done for the latter two, not IT. Lakers would have to sign him outright which would eat up cap space and I think there's a rule where you can't sign a UFA and trade him immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Update: Never mind, I'm wrong.