Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)

[Monkhouse]

Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.

[nickagneta]

Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

[saltlover]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

[Monkhouse]

Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

Other than the 8th pick, what can NYK honestly offer?

Users have suggested KP, but wouldn't you want to pair KP with Kawhi?

[LarBrd33]

Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.

We can't "easily" beat any offers, because matching salaries right now is kind of impossible.

Unless you're talking about moving Hayward, Kyrie or Horford, there's really no way to make it work.  You can offer up Brown + Morris, but that only gets you to 10 mil. 

[rondofan1255]

Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

Why does it matter since without KL, SA isn’t going to be contending?

[Phantom255x]

Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.

There's ONLY three kinds of trades we can do:

(1) Jaylen + Morris + Yabusele + Rozier + Non-Kings/Grizzlies Pick(s)

(2) Smart (S&T - 14M/Year, counting as 7M in trade), Morris + Rozier + Yabusele + Pick(s)

(3) Kyrie FOR Kawhi Swap OR Kyrie + Morris FOR Kawhi + Mills

The 2nd trade allows us to keep Jaylen + Tatum and all our max guys, BUT we'd have to find a really good replacement guard since BOTH Rozier and Smart get traded in this instance (maybe we get it at #27 this year's draft?). I'm not a fan of the 3rd trade idea (rather keep Kyrie and form a filthy duo with him and Leonard). The first one seems the most reasonable and realistic for both sides, but man it would suck to lose Jaylen. I'd consider it though.

Idk, we'll see. After seeing us trade Isaiah and lose like 11 guys from last year's team, I'm prepared for anything and everything cold-blooded from Ainge 

(Just PLEASE DON'T trade Tatum)

[Phantom255x]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"   

[LarBrd33]

Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

[LarBrd33]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"   

It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

[nickagneta]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Didn't see that salty but you are right. Any name calling will be disciplined.

[Phantom255x]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"   

It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

Ah okay, I honestly had no clue 

[Monkhouse]

Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.

[LarBrd33]

The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"   

It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

Ah okay, I honestly had no clue 

No worries.  It wasn't directed at anyone specific.  Just a lot of folks here like to misquote me.  Obviously, I'd consider Boston + LeBron (impossible without giving up someone) to be the favorites in the East.  My whole point there was that even if such an impossible thing happened, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory over a Warriors team that has 3 of the greatest shooters in NBA history.  Because of how this modern game is played, you'd basically have to beat them in a 3-point shootout - which aint easy when they have arguably the two greatest 3-point shooters EVER in addition to Kevin Durant.

Anyways, my 60 day "unretirement" contract ends in a couple weeks.  At most, ya'll only have to put up with me until the draft.

FWIW, I'd say the same about Philly.  If they added LeBron without giving up anyone, it's still going to be extremely difficult to outshoot the Warriors.   If they swap Fultz/Convington for Kawhi and THEN add LeBron, that team is going to be dangerous and probably the East favorites - but Golden State is unprecedented. 

[celticinorlando]

So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here   

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust 

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Fultz will never be a good player in this league