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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
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Kawhi Leonard wants out from the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo.

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Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN.


Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...
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Post by: GetLucky on June 15, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
Kawhi for LeBron?
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Post by: Who on June 15, 2018, 01:25:46 PM
Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...
Surely San An could do better than Lonzo. That is not much of a return for them.

I suppose Kawhi could force their hand though. Refuse to go elsewhere.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 01:26:03 PM
Kawhi for LeBron?

If James opts into his deal then that could be a possibility.

But why would Leonard want to go to Cleveland with James leaving and James not being about to win with that cast.

I would say maybe the 8th pick and Love for Leonard trying to keep James in Cleveland.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 01:27:05 PM
Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...
Surely San An could do better than Lonzo. That is not much of a return for them.

I suppose Kawhi could force their hand though. Refuse to go elsewhere.

Spurs might be entering total rebuild mode with Leonard wanting out.
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Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 15, 2018, 01:27:39 PM
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?
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Post by: ETNCeltics on June 15, 2018, 01:27:40 PM
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Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN.


Why do I see him ending up in LA with James and George with the Lakers sending Ball to the Spurs...
Maybe so, but if I'm SA, I want Ingram and Kuzma before Ball.

Ball's father would make the situation intolerable if they traded him.

At this point, it could already be more than KL really wanting out of SAS. It could be he and Lebron have already been working together on moving to LA.
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There are more than a few teams who can offer a better package to San Antonio for Kawhi than the Knicks can (assuming they don’t include Porzingis), but people close to Leonard have expressed a desire for Leonard to play in New York, per sources.
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Post by: MattyIce on June 15, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
San Antonio’s Kawhi Leonard has Los Angeles — preferably the Lakers — at the center of his preferences for a trade destination, league sources tell ESPN.
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
WOJ has said he wants LA.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450

 In my opinion Him and LBJ and George in LA is a done deal.

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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?

We do now...

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San Antonio’s Kawhi Leonard has Los Angeles — preferably the Lakers — at the center of his preferences for a trade destination, league sources tell ESPN.
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Post by: ETNCeltics on June 15, 2018, 01:33:09 PM
WOJ has said he wants LA.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450

 In my opinion Him and LBJ and George in LA is a done deal.

I agree, and I think it's been in the works for a long time.
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Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.
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Post by: CelticsElite on June 15, 2018, 01:35:46 PM
Remember everyone who thought the " kawhi wants out" story was fake? They can go kick rocks

No one wants to play for pop
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 01:35:54 PM
James, Leonard and Paul George have been the Lakers goal for several years. They dumped a ton of salary to the Cavs and will let Randle walk or use him in a S and T to clear more.

What do they give up to get Leonard is the big question. I think James and George already have deals with the Lakers in place.

The team screwed is Philly. Going to add nobody of any importance to that roster.
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Post by: MattyIce on June 15, 2018, 01:36:41 PM
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825

Have the popcorn ready for this offseasons @NBA FA dramas! Don’t be fooled, most big deals are already done “verbally”. More superteams are cometh...

12:09 AM - 12 Jun 2018
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Post by: Chief Macho on June 15, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
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they should just redraft the whole league every year for ****. 
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Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 01:39:51 PM
Doesn't Pop have some cardinal rule where he doesn't trade guys to any West teams, including LAL? Even if his trade value is diminished I still highly doubt Deng, Ball and Kuzma gets it done. They'll ask for BOTH Ingram and Kuzma in a package.

But yeah Lebron-George-Leonard Big 3 makes it worth it still  :(
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Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 15, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?
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Post by: GetLucky on June 15, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
Pop should trade Kawhi to Sacramento just to be petty
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Post by: konkmv on June 15, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
I think leonards behaviour this year is suspect....
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Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 01:41:51 PM
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825

Have the popcorn ready for this offseasons @NBA FA dramas! Don’t be fooled, most big deals are already done “verbally”. More superteams are cometh...

12:09 AM - 12 Jun 2018

Yep Bogut speakth the truth
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Remember everyone who thought the " kawhi wants out" story was fake? They can go kick rocks

No one wants to play for pop


???
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Post by: kozlodoev on June 15, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825

Have the popcorn ready for this offseasons @NBA FA dramas! Don’t be fooled, most big deals are already done “verbally”. More superteams are cometh...

12:09 AM - 12 Jun 2018
"Are cometh", really? :D
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Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 01:43:39 PM
The league is drooling over this new Lakers super team about to be formed. LA vs GS WCF would probably have the highest ratings of all time.
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Post by: PhoSita on June 15, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
This is sad.  Kawhi used to be my favorite player.

Not so much anymore.

I'm not cool with this "I'm gonna sit out the season and demand a trade" thing.

If you're on a dysfunctional team, OK. 

You have the best coach and the best franchise in the league.  They made you a star. 


Get outta here.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 15, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?

Because the worst case scenario is losing him for nothing.

If he says he won't resign to team X if he gets traded there, team X would be hesitant in giving proper value for him.

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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
Lakers now have same title odds as Celtics for next season. Think about that...
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 01:45:46 PM
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.

That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
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Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 01:45:47 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?

Because a team that feels they will be able to resign a player entering free agency will pay more.
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Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 01:51:49 PM
Lakers now have same title odds as Celtics for next season. Think about that...

Are there Lakers vs. the field bets?  They’re not winning.
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Post by: CelticsElite on June 15, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?

Because a team that feels they will be able to resign a player entering free agency will pay more.
true except for Danny

Celtics weren't on kyries wishlist. Wonder if Ainge bites again
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Post by: johnnygreen on June 15, 2018, 01:53:40 PM
I wonder if San Antonio would accept less from another team, rather than trading kawhi to the Lakers. Basically telling Kawhi, this is what you get for sitting out this past season.

To me, the Lakers young players don't seem like Greg Popovich type of guys. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart fit that mold.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 15, 2018, 01:54:39 PM
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.

That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.

Wouldn't the Lakers be super gutted if they have all three?
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Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 15, 2018, 01:55:05 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?

Because the worst case scenario is losing him for nothing.

If he says he won't resign to team X if he gets traded there, team X would be hesitant in giving proper value for him.

Sure, I'm with you there.  But what if he's not traded at all? In a game of chicken, he hurts his own value by sitting out longer, and he's under contract another year.
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Post by: GreenEnvy on June 15, 2018, 01:55:26 PM
Let them battle it out with Golden State, we will have a cakewalk to the Finals if all three of those guys are in the West.
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Post by: johnnygreen on June 15, 2018, 01:56:01 PM
WOJ has said he wants LA.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450

 In my opinion Him and LBJ and George in LA is a done deal.

That smells like OKC, and they obviously couldn't make it work.
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 01:58:48 PM
Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.

That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.

Wouldn't the Lakers be super gutted if they have all three?

Just sign a few off the street guys like David West, Nick Young, or Joakim Noah as their bench. They just need those 3 to dominate in and out all year long. Ya got three of the best small-forwards in the game, and small-forwards win championships.
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Post by: apc on June 15, 2018, 01:59:01 PM
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
I don’t think they will destroy GS. It will be close.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:01:26 PM
Lakers need to keep Kuzma and Ingram...would have to get ball out of LA. He and his family are a virus.

Philly has to be sad today. Were talking James AND Leonard and now will most likely get neither. Will be forced to spend cap money on guys that are second tier like Reddick.


if this holds, Boston is the clear winner. James out of the East, Philly still not good enough to beat them and the Lakers and Warriors having to play each other.
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Post by: manl_lui on June 15, 2018, 02:02:31 PM
draft day is going to be very interesting
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Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 15, 2018, 02:03:05 PM
James, Leonard and Paul George have been the Lakers goal for several years. They dumped a ton of salary to the Cavs and will let Randle walk or use him in a S and T to clear more.

What do they give up to get Leonard is the big question. I think James and George already have deals with the Lakers in place.

The team screwed is Philly. Going to add nobody of any importance to that roster.

Bellinelli and Ilyasova disagree. ;D

Man, if the Lakers get all three of those guys ...

Must be nice to be a destination so many players want to go to, and to not really have to plan rebuilds because you know that, like, every few years two or three big-name players are gonna want to join you just because of your location.
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 02:06:22 PM
Ahhh don't you guys hate it that whenever the Celtics become exceptionally good, the Lakers suddenly become godlier by adding in three superstars all in one summer.  ::)
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Post by: JHTruth on June 15, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?

He's from the greater LA area and played college basketball at SDSU. Not a huge leap to say sure I'll go to my hometown team to play with LeBron..
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Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 02:08:28 PM
Ahhh don't you guys hate it that whenever the Celtics become exceptionally good, the Lakers suddenly become godlier by adding in three superstars all in one summer.  ::)

Yeah nothing ever changes. C's hard working franchise to get to the top and Fakers just plop stars on the table like it's nothing. I think we about to see the rivalry reborn again. [dang] that team will be good though ugh
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 02:14:32 PM
That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.
I don’t think they will destroy GS. It will be close.

Now we really need Zaza Pachulia to do his thing LOL. IDC, I now hate Kawhi after him wanting to bolt the Spurs for LA.
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Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 15, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
Presumably no trade would happen until after they get LeBron and George right? Because they will surely have to take a bad contract from SAS given they have no picks of repute to give.

It'll be interesting to see if SAS try to move Aldridge on draft night. That would indicate a full rebuild
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Post by: PhoSita on June 15, 2018, 02:18:13 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:20:24 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I don't think Philly is going to get anyone.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
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If Kawhi Leonard does become available in trade talks, the Boston Celtics will be interested in probing the Spurs about a deal, league sources tell ESPN. Boston inquired about a trade prior to the February deadline, sources said.
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Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
Regardless how you feel about it all, Woj tweeting that Boston will have great interest

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Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 02:21:28 PM
Unbelievable, and yet Leonard hasn't talked to Pops yet.

Ugh.

I hate how the Lakers can just get anyone they want..

We'll see, but if they end up with LeBron, George, and Leonard... That's a very scary team that can definitely give GSW up to 7 games. Real question is how will their team look like?
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Post by: manl_lui on June 15, 2018, 02:22:21 PM
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If Kawhi Leonard does become available in trade talks, the Boston Celtics will be interested in probing the Spurs about a deal, league sources tell ESPN. Boston inquired about a trade prior to the February deadline, sources said.

so basically just reiterating what Woj has already said and basing on speculation, probably not wrong but does sound like something we would do anyways just to see what the asking price is
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Post by: j804 on June 15, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
Laker buddy’s says Spurs would take Ingram over Jaylen cuz he beats him in just about every category stat wise. Really?
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 02:27:53 PM
Unbelievable, and yet Leonard hasn't talked to Pops yet.

Ugh.

I hate how the Lakers can just get anyone they want..

We'll see, but if they end up with LeBron, George, and Leonard... That's a very scary team that can definitely give GSW up to 7 games. Real question is how will their team look like?

Every year those delusional Lakers fans say they will get everyone (LaMarcus Aldridge, Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Jimmy Butler, Paul George etc) but they end up with folks like Luol Deng or Timofey Mozgov LOOOOL

But yeah, I think this is real. They have the assets of making it happen. They just need a great coach. Mark Jackson anyone? Jerry Sloan?
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick
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Post by: bopna on June 15, 2018, 02:29:19 PM
Kawhi has no leverage hence he will be dealt to possibly a east coast team.. Now the only team that has the assets are Boston and NY if they trade Kristap.. KAWHI CAN MOAN ALL all he wants and go to LA but Spurs still have the decisiion..
And if I were the Spurs.. Id take no less than Ingram, Kuzma and or Ball plus fillers and future draft picks.
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 02:29:41 PM
Laker buddy’s says Spurs would take Ingram over Jaylen cuz he beats him in just about every category stat wise. Really?

Marijuana is a heckuva thing in LA.
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Post by: SparzWizard on June 15, 2018, 02:30:53 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.


If they could get him for Rozier and the 2019 Kings pick keeping Brown...that would be ideal.
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Post by: byennie on June 15, 2018, 02:34:55 PM
If Boston makes the best offer and Kawhi still demands LA, his reputation will rightfully tank just like Durant’s.

I hope SA forces him to go east or play out his contract. Players who aren’t even free agents shouldn’t  be able to demand their way to a super team.
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Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 15, 2018, 02:37:21 PM
If Boston makes the best offer and Kawhi still demands LA, his reputation will rightfully tank just like Durant’s.

I hope SA forces him to go east or play out his contract. Players who aren’t even free agents shouldn’t  be able to demand their way to a super team.
why not? players should run their lives so as to please fans' concepts of how teams should be built?
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Post by: GreenEnvy on June 15, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.


If they could get him for Rozier and the 2019 Kings pick keeping Brown...that would be ideal.

I wonder what else it would take?

Rozier is a starting caliber player and would pair nicely with Aldridge. The 2019 SAC pick can be valuable, but nothing guaranteed with the top pick protected and could drop down into the 20’s as the PHI pick.

Would something like Morris and more picks be enough? I’d give up both MEM and LAC and some BOS picks if we could keep Brown/Tatum.
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?

That would be a head scratcher.
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Post by: Fan from VT on June 15, 2018, 02:40:56 PM
If Boston makes the best offer and Kawhi still demands LA, his reputation will rightfully tank just like Durant’s.

I hope SA forces him to go east or play out his contract. Players who aren’t even free agents shouldn’t  be able to demand their way to a super team.
why not? players should run their lives so as to please fans' concepts of how teams should be built?

It annoys me as a Boston fan...but then I remember that this is partially how we got Kyrie, because he exploited his power to leave Cleveland...and then I also remember that any of this is made possible by the collective bargaining agreement; if the owners wanted to, they could go back to longer contracts, which would get rid of a lot of this, but they are the ones who wanted shorter contracts.
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Post by: Roy H. on June 15, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure. 
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Post by: Jack_Frost on June 15, 2018, 02:43:40 PM
I would easily flip Irving for Leonard.

Hayward
Leonard
Tatum
Brown
Horford


Wonderful positionless team
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Post by: BitterJim on June 15, 2018, 02:47:09 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.

Leonard wanting out means that SA will take less in a deal, but the price will be high based on how many teams want him. If the Lakers are willing to go all in (and it seems like they are), the only way we get him is by out bidding them. That will take more than Brown, Rozier, and a couple of seconds (which that pick will likely turn into)

Brown and the Kings Pick would probably just be the start
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 02:49:12 PM
Philly just became a treadmill team.
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Post by: Chief Macho on June 15, 2018, 02:50:25 PM
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?
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Post by: GreenEnvy on June 15, 2018, 02:51:10 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.

Why is SA to blame for that?

Maybe it’s his personality. Just because you are great doesn’t mean you’re marketable.

There’s always Big Baller Brand...
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?

No
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:51:49 PM
Philly just became a treadmill team.

Until Ben Simmons can hit shots outside of 5 feet...they will struggle to attract ball dominate players that need the ball.

Plus other than Embidd and Simmons, their roster is really the same type of guys...Dario, Covington...Embiid is not durable either and Fultz looks destined to be bust.
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Post by: cltc5 on June 15, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
Can you split the ball three ways?  They still won’t beat golden state.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:54:00 PM
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 02:54:13 PM
Philly just became a treadmill team.

Until Ben Simmons can hit shots outside of 5 feet...they will struggle to attract ball dominate players that need the ball.

Plus other than Embidd and Simmons, their roster is really the same type of guys...Dario, Covington...Embiid is not durable either and Fultz looks destined to be bust.

Maybe they still get one of these guys, but it really seems like there was a plan all along to have Leonard, George and Lebron in LA. Then there are no stars on the market. Cousins goes back to New Orleans, Paul stays in Houston. Durant stays in Golden State. We watched Dallas every year go for max level free agents, and lose every single year. The closest they ever got was Deandre Jordan locked in a room with his clipper teammates.
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
Can you split the ball three ways?  They still won’t beat golden state.

I do think that George, Lebron and Leonard would beat Golden State. If healthy Lebron and Leonard are two of the top 4 players in the NBA next season.
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Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 02:55:38 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.

Leonard wanting out means that SA will take less in a deal, but the price will be high based on how many teams want him. If the Lakers are willing to go all in (and it seems like they are), the only way we get him is by out bidding them. That will take more than Brown, Rozier, and a couple of seconds (which that pick will likely turn into)

Brown and the Kings Pick would probably just be the start

The Lakers are almost certainly going to try to attach Luol Deng’s terrible contract to a deal.  That greatly lowers the value of what they can offer, as taking on the contract hampers the Spurs financial flexibility for multiple seasons..

Also, the Clippers pick only turns into one 2nd.  Sad.
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Post by: PhoSita on June 15, 2018, 02:55:41 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?

That would be a head scratcher.


If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool.  If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George?  He'd be the 3rd option.

He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them.  Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.

In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there. 


Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint.  I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.
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Post by: Chief Macho on June 15, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
So we would have to move Kyrie, Heyward or Horford.     And why would S/A want Kryie when he wants to go to NYC.     
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.

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Post by: BitterJim on June 15, 2018, 02:56:46 PM
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?

Leonard *only* makes ~$20 million right now. We would need to send out ~$16 million to match.  Brown+Morris puts us at ~$10.5 million, throw in Yabu+Rozier (or one of them plus Semi and Nader) and you're there.  And we would still be able to re-sign Smart plus offer Baynes somewhere around $5 million
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Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 15, 2018, 02:58:24 PM
Horfod/Brown/Rozier for Kawhi/Gasol   ha, j/k

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybec3uo9
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: coco on June 15, 2018, 02:58:47 PM
As long as he doens't end up with LeBron or in Philly, I don't care where he lands.

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 02:59:15 PM
I really do not want to see Brown moved....or Kyrie or Hayward...

Prefer rozier, smart, picks
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Post by: Chief Macho on June 15, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
can the celtics even afford leonard without giving up irving, heyward or horford?

Leonard *only* makes ~$20 million right now. We would need to send out ~$16 million to match.  Brown+Morris puts us at ~$10.5 million, throw in Yabu+Rozier (or one of them plus Semi and Nader) and you're there.  And we would still be able to re-sign Smart plus offer Baynes somewhere around $5 million

wow. ok, then.    now it gets interesting.    i hate hate hate the idea of giving up Brown,  but leonard is a better version if he is healthy next year and could win you a championship.
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Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 03:00:39 PM
I really do not want to see Brown moved....or Kyrie or Hayward...

Prefer rozier, smart, picks

Get real.
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Post by: Sophomore on June 15, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Head exploding.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?

That would be a head scratcher.


If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool.  If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George?  He'd be the 3rd option.

He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them.  Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.

In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there. 


Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint.  I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.

Why would George be the third option? I think he would be the second option and Leonard would be the third. Also why would George be a better option in Philly? Embiid took 17 shots per 30 minutes last year and Simmons obviously has the ball a ton.

Considering he said he wanted to go LA when they were horrible and didn't have any contract space, it obviously is pretty important to him.
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 03:03:40 PM
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.

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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
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Post by: PhoSita on June 15, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?

That would be a head scratcher.


If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool.  If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George?  He'd be the 3rd option.

He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them.  Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.

In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there. 


Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint.  I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.

Why would George be the third option? I think he would be the second option and Leonard would be the third. Also why would George be a better option in Philly? Embiid took 17 shots per 30 minutes last year and Simmons obviously has the ball a ton.

Considering he said he wanted to go LA when they were horrible and didn't have any contract space, it obviously is pretty important to him.


You may be right about his priorities.


As for the third option thing, to me he's less talented offensively than LeBron (obviously) or Kawhi.  Both of those guys have shown an ability to carry a team offensively individually.  George has not.


In Philly, I think George would be ahead of Ben Simmons in the offensive hierarchy, and it would depend on the matchup as to whether he or Embiid got more shots.  Simmons would be a facilitator, especially in the halfcourt.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 03:05:23 PM
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Indiana had little interest in Paul George trade w/ Lakers -- and that'll be case for Spurs too. Boston gives Spurs best building blocks of assets -- one of young forwards (likely Jaylen Brown), its own 18 pick/19 protected Kings pick, etc. Lonzo to Spurs? Don't hold your breath.


So this would have to get done sooner than later if the Spurs want something out of this draft
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Post by: BitterJim on June 15, 2018, 03:05:27 PM
Boston, like usual, has the best pieces to deal.

I would prefer not making the deal but if I had to I keep Tatum and deal Brown with the 2019 Kings pick

No, KL's value should go down after their first attempt in February trade deadline. And because of what KL is demanding of his team. Brown/Rozier/LAC pick, get it done if anything.

Leonard wanting out means that SA will take less in a deal, but the price will be high based on how many teams want him. If the Lakers are willing to go all in (and it seems like they are), the only way we get him is by out bidding them. That will take more than Brown, Rozier, and a couple of seconds (which that pick will likely turn into)

Brown and the Kings Pick would probably just be the start

The Lakers are almost certainly going to try to attach Luol Deng’s terrible contract to a deal.  That greatly lowers the value of what they can offer, as taking on the contract hampers the Spurs financial flexibility for multiple seasons..

Also, the Clippers pick only turns into one 2nd.  Sad.

It just turns into one 2nd? [dang], that's rough.

The Lakers may have to deal Deng separately (giving up a first or young player to do so). That would make harder to match salaries, but it would give them the best chance to re-sign guys/sign FAs before the Leonard deal adds salary (it would require them sending out Ball+Ingram+2 low salaries for Leonard, though).

And [dang], I just looked at the Lakers' cap space, and last year is a graveyard of dead money. Like $11.5 million on guys that didn't end the season with them
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Post by: Birdman on June 15, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Spurs wont trade him to a West team..i think Boston or Philly
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Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.
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Post by: BitterJim on June 15, 2018, 03:14:09 PM
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.

0% chance he resigns (unless the injury is worse than we thought  ;D

As for him and Kyrie resigning, I think a big 4 of Kawhi/Kyrie/Hayward/Horford would be enough to get them to stay. Winning is a powerful aphrodisiac, and if the Lakers don't get Lebron they become a lot less attractive (or they could get Lebron and George but then have no cap space next summer, making it not an option)

A bigger market doesn't help much if you're on a perennial loser
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.

0% chance he resigns (unless the injury is worse than we thought  ;D

As for him and Kyrie resigning, I think a big 4 of Kawhi/Kyrie/Hayward/Horford would be enough to get them to stay. Winning is a powerful aphrodisiac, and if the Lakers don't get Lebron they become a lot less attractive (or they could get Lebron and George but then have no cap space next summer, making it not an option)

A bigger market doesn't help much if you're on a perennial loser

Would be a on great team poised to run the East for years. I would be more concerned about Leonard. I think the craziness about Kyrie is a bunch of nothing.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 03:22:45 PM
So if Boston is going all in for Leonard, I can assume the James to Boston BS is dead....
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Post by: CelticsElite on June 15, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
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Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 15, 2018, 03:23:45 PM
If we get Kawhi, what are the chances he'll resign..? I'm afraid both Kyrie and Kawhi would leave, and we would be screwed.

0% chance he resigns (unless the injury is worse than we thought  ;D

As for him and Kyrie resigning, I think a big 4 of Kawhi/Kyrie/Hayward/Horford would be enough to get them to stay. Winning is a powerful aphrodisiac, and if the Lakers don't get Lebron they become a lot less attractive (or they could get Lebron and George but then have no cap space next summer, making it not an option)

A bigger market doesn't help much if you're on a perennial loser

Add Tatum and its a Big 5—I dont want to trade Brown though and rumor was Leonard also has a thing for NY as does Kyrie—-trade our future and watch both leave for Knicks in 19—-would be brutal—Risking everything for one year with no guarantee is beyond bold—-it borders on a bad risk to take
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Post by: Celtics4ever on June 15, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
Is he healthy?  That is the big question for me.
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What would Pop want the most...what would he actually get.?
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 03:28:21 PM
Just keep him and Lebron away from Philly. Boston in a great spot..either they land him or he goes to the Lakers with LBJ to battle the Warriors.

A win win for Boston.
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Post by: johnnygreen on June 15, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.

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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.

Kawhi will not have to worry about that with Boston. The Celtics will be a staple for nationally televised games, and will thus be at the forefront on the minds of NBA fans. If Kawhi is on a young team like Boston, then any sneaker company would be crazy to not offer him a big contract. Plus, San Antonio has a "boring" stigma attached to the team, and I don't think Boston has that, especially with having a player like Irving.
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Post by: Moranis on June 15, 2018, 03:34:09 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him.  He is just a boring quiet player.  Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality.  Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City.  James did just fine in Cleveland.  etc.
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Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 03:50:37 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Brown + 2019 pick trumps that deal. Fultz is a nothing at this point. Covington is spot up shooter with a bloated salary.
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Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
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Post by: mef730 on June 15, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
Look on the bright side: No matter what happens with Kawhi, we're probably done with the "three new LeBron threads on CB every day" trend.

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Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.
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Post by: ETNCeltics on June 15, 2018, 03:55:16 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.

This is great work by you. They should also find a way to get Alex Peters.
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Post by: ETNCeltics on June 15, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.
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Post by: nickagneta on June 15, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.

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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
Hasn't Kyrie's shoe line done awesome since coming to Boston?
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Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him.  He is just a boring quiet player.  Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality.  Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City.  James did just fine in Cleveland.  etc.

It doesn't matter if it is actually true, it matters if Leonard thinks it is true. And it really seems like he does.
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Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 04:00:25 PM
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.

Don't think you can give up Brown, picks unless you know for sure Leonard resigns in Boston...too much risk
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Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Nah, that's just the Sixers fan in you.

At this point, Murray (who himself is only 21) looks like the far superior prospect to Fultz. #10 in this draft is not really that great of a pick. Just look at the names available. Covington is a nice 3 and D player, but his vanishing act in the playoffs/sheer inability to put the ball on the floor probably raised concerns across the league.
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Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 04:05:15 PM
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
Hasn't Kyrie's shoe line done awesome since coming to Boston?

It's always been doing well, although Kyrie 2 and 3 are the best frequently used models, and most comfortable I might say, this is when he was in Cleveland. Kyrie's and Paul George's shoes have been the top selling shoes, and most NBA players 'preferred,' sneakers to wear.

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.

Which is funny, because Jaylen Brown alone blows Covington/Fultz out the water, but sure keep prodding about useless stats like that actually matters when Fultz has played 14 games.

I consider Fultz a elite prospect too, but doesn't mean his value is anywhere near his at draft day.
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Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
The C's are missing that one mid tier salary to make the trade more balanced. Every young player  outside of Tatum would be gone. Think a third team would have to get involved. Then again Ainge may just say here we're going all in and fill out the depth with ring chasing vets.
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Post by: Ed Hollison on June 15, 2018, 04:06:57 PM
The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, finds this league hard to enjoy.

You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.

I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.

What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?

The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.
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Post by: Ed Hollison on June 15, 2018, 04:07:16 PM
The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, find this league hard to enjoy these days.

You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.

I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.

What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?

The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: byennie on June 15, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
The most logical thing I can come up with is, is the house cleaning deal:

Brown       $5,169,960
Morris       $5,375,000
Yabusele   $2,667,600
Nader       $1,378,242
Ojeyele     $1,378,242
#27 pick   $1,186,300 x 120% =
SAC/19
--
x 125% + 100k
= $21,840,755

Kawhi       $20,099,188
#18 pick   $1,469,800
--
= $21,568,988

So then we roll with the "Big 5" of Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi and Horford.

The future salary cap if we max out both Kawhi and Irving would be crazy, but it's possible that Horford would opt-out and do something somewhat team friendly over 3-4 years and get us to something like this is 2019-2020

Hayward, Irving, Kawhi: $100M
Horford, Tatum: $30M
luxury tax line: ~$130M

So basically we'd be paying our Big 5 alone the luxury tax line for a couple of years, then we'd have to think about letting Hayward walk to sign Tatum. Something like that.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: mef730 on June 15, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.

Anything that shows up about the Celtics in the rumor mill is either false, or is there because Danny wants it to be there. Even if DA doesn't want Leonard (or, more likely, doesn't want that kind of risk), his being in the mix drives up the price for somebody else.

Mike
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: blink on June 15, 2018, 04:11:47 PM
If Danny gives up anything significant for him, he has to be ultra confident in resigning him. You can't give up Jaylen Brown for a one year rental of anyone. Risk seems too great, IMO.

Don't think you can give up Brown, picks unless you know for sure Leonard resigns in Boston...too much risk

This is basically how I feel.  If he won't commit to resigning with Boston, then walk away.  We have no idea how good Jaylen will become, but we know he is already really good.  Why trade away a great young player on a rookie deal when there are some issues with that guys health/ attitude / or whatever.

I mean, how did he get to the point where he hates the Spurs so much he wants go get traded?  That organization is one of the best run in sports.  It makes me really question going after him.

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 04:12:20 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 04:13:53 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 04:14:24 PM
The most logical thing I can come up with is, is the house cleaning deal:

Brown       $5,169,960
Morris       $5,375,000
Yabusele   $2,667,600
Nader       $1,378,242
Ojeyele     $1,378,242
#27 pick   $1,186,300 x 120% =
SAC/19
--
x 125% + 100k
= $21,840,755

Kawhi       $20,099,188
#18 pick   $1,469,800
--
= $21,568,988

So then we roll with the "Big 5" of Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi and Horford.

Flushing out a lot of the roster clutter (Yabusele, Nader, Semi) and I immediately think of how we upgrade by replacing them veteran guys looking to win a title (like the summer of 2007).
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

He has over 20,000 posts and probably 10 of them are worth a crap. He is a resident troll.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 04:22:33 PM
The most logical thing I can come up with is, is the house cleaning deal:

Brown       $5,169,960
Morris       $5,375,000
Yabusele   $2,667,600
Nader       $1,378,242
Ojeyele     $1,378,242
#27 pick   $1,186,300 x 120% =
SAC/19
--
x 125% + 100k
= $21,840,755

Kawhi       $20,099,188
#18 pick   $1,469,800
--
= $21,568,988

So then we roll with the "Big 5" of Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Kawhi and Horford.

The future salary cap if we max out both Kawhi and Irving would be crazy, but it's possible that Horford would opt-out and do something somewhat team friendly over 3-4 years and get us to something like this is 2019-2020

Hayward, Irving, Kawhi: $100M
Horford, Tatum: $30M
luxury tax line: ~$130M

So basically we'd be paying our Big 5 alone the luxury tax line for a couple of years, then we'd have to think about letting Hayward walk to sign Tatum. Something like that.

We can do the trade today for Brown, Morris, Rozier, and Yabusele.  Salaries match, no need to get weird with waiting until August to trade a draft pick so that his salary matches.  You can sub out Rozier for both Semi and Nader if it pleases you.  In the first situation, I would not add any picks.  The players should be sufficient enough and allow San Antonio to be a top 4 team in the West next year.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 15, 2018, 04:23:38 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.

I think he is being sarcastic, or I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 04:23:58 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 15, 2018, 04:26:29 PM
Brown is a thousand times more valuable then current edition of Fultz plus 10th pick and Covington-

Fultz might have had one of the statistically worst first year, first round draft choices since that Cavs  fellow and that tall injury machine from 2007.  Is he top 10 worst  of all time for first year, first round picks? He is a prospect now and nothing to warrant that as elite right now. I just dont see how it is even close to compare Brown trade with one headed up by the blind shooter.

I want to keep Brown and Tatum together anyway——I also want to keep Fultz in Philly and Lebron on West Coast. with Leonard.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 04:27:57 PM
Brown is a thousand times more valuable then current edition of Fultz plus 10th pick and Covington-

Fultz might have had one of the statistically worst first year, first round draft choices since that Cavs  fellow and that tall injury machine from 2007.  Is he top 10 worst  of all time for first year, first round picks? He is a prospect now and nothing to warrant that as elite right now. I just dont see how it is even close to compare Brown trade with one headed up by the blind shooter.

I want to keep Brown and Tatum together anyway——I also want to keep Fultz in Philly and Lebron on West Coast. with Leonard.


Bingo
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 04:28:05 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 04:30:55 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 04:35:32 PM
Pop should trade Kawhi to Sacramento just to be petty

No!!!
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 04:36:49 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

You've really lost your fastball, man. Are you seriously bringing up Jaylen's stats as zero's because he wasn't even in the league?

During the 2017 playoffs Brown was 20 yeard old, same age as Fultz was during the 2018 playoffs. So let's compare numbers:

             Total Minutes     PPG    RPG   APG  SPG  BPG  FG%  FT%  3PT%
Brown        215               5.0     2.1    0.8   0.4    0.1   47.9  66.7  21.7
Fultz           23                1.7     1.0    1.7   0.7    0.0   14.3  75.0  N/A (shocked...he didn't take a 3)

So one 20 year old was trusted to get a good amount of minutes, the other was not. In fact, he was so scared of the moment that his coach had to pull him from the rotation in the Miami series, and instead went with TJ the little engine that could.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 15, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 04:40:28 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.

I think he is being sarcastic, or I'm missing something.

He is being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/cd/e6/4ecde6257446d4be390e470ca3973a2f.jpg)
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 15, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/cd/e6/4ecde6257446d4be390e470ca3973a2f.jpg)

Haha! TP
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.

Stop trolling, dude.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: RJ87 on June 15, 2018, 04:45:03 PM
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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.
Hasn't Kyrie's shoe line done awesome since coming to Boston?

Kyrie's shoe line was doing great in Cleveland. It has less to do with market in 2018 and all of the social media. Leonard just doesn't have the off court persona. He should be angrier at his PR team.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: PhoSita on June 15, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, find this league hard to enjoy these days.

You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.

I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.

What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?

The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.


Preach.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 04:46:20 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now.  I get why you could make that conclusion, though.  Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz.  But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.
Title: Kawhi wants out... trade Brown + salary for him?
Post by: playdream on June 15, 2018, 04:49:32 PM
It seems like his "injury" isn't the reason he didn't play, so you only to make sure he signs an extension, I like Brown but his BBIQ really worries me and it's hard to improve that aspect, with Kyrie-Kawhi-Tatum-Hayward-Horford we will have enough fire power to compete against the Warriors.

thoughts?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 04:52:02 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now.  I get why you could make that conclusion, though.  Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz.  But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.

I remember you being really confident in Okafor and Noel too. When it comes to all things Sixers your opinion is only as valuable as your track record.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 04:52:37 PM
Double Post.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 15, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him.  He is just a boring quiet player.  Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality.  Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City.  James did just fine in Cleveland.  etc.

It doesn't matter if it is actually true, it matters if Leonard thinks it is true. And it really seems like he does.
Weren't you one of the ones complaining about all the Sixers hype at the end of the season?    Imagine the hype if Kawhi goes there.  The Sixers finished 3rd in NBA merchandise sales last season behind GSW and the Cavs.  Kawhi wouldn't have any problem getting a top shoe deal. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23214746/philadelphia-76ers-finish-3rd-nba-merchandise-sales-golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 04:53:15 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.
During the 2017 playoffs Brown was 20 yeard old, same age as Fultz was during the 2018 playoffs. So let's compare numbers

2017 playoffs in the first round of the Chicago series when Brown got 1 minute in Game 3, half a minute in Game 4 and a DNP in Game 5, he was 20 years and 180 days old.

2018 playoffs during the 1st round when Fultz similarly got 4 minutes in Game 3 and a DNP in Game 4, he was 19 years and 325 days old.  Still over a month away from turning 20. 

Brown was 20 years old for the entirety of his rookie season (20 years old opening night.  20 years old when his team was eliminated).
Fultz was 19 yers old for the entirety of his rookie season (19 years old on opening night.  19 years old when his team was eliminated).

Fultz obviously had a bizarre rookie season where he played 14 games, because of a broken shot.  That said, are you giving up on his entire career over it?  All things considered, next season will be his true rookie season when he's the same age Jaylen Brown was during his forgettable rookie season.  Think he can average more than the 6 points Brown averaged?

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Eddie20 on June 15, 2018, 05:01:10 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:02:52 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.
OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.
19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.
I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.
I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now.  I get why you could make that conclusion, though.  Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz.  But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.

I remember you being really confident in Okafor and Noel too. When it comes to all things Sixers your opinion is only as valuable as your track record.
Similarly, if we were talking about Okafor after his rookie season (in which he averaged 17 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks) or Noel after his rookie season (in which he averaged 2 steals and 2 blocks), they would both have made for valuable centerpieces in a trade for Kawhi Leonard.

Clearly both have ended up busts.  Maybe that happens with Fultz as well.  That's beyond the point.

My point is that Philly can at this very moment offer up Covington + Fultz + #10.  They can make that offer literally this week.  It works financially. 

Beyond giving up an established star (the ones here that want to dump Kyrie), I don't see how Boston can outbid that.  Even if we were to include Brown (who may or may not be an equal asset to Fultz), Boston would struggle to make salaries match. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.

I still can't believe what I read recently from him.

"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.

Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 05:04:14 PM
It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him.  He is just a boring quiet player.  Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality.  Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City.  James did just fine in Cleveland.  etc.

It doesn't matter if it is actually true, it matters if Leonard thinks it is true. And it really seems like he does.
Weren't you one of the ones complaining about all the Sixers hype at the end of the season?    Imagine the hype if Kawhi goes there.  The Sixers finished 3rd in NBA merchandise sales last season behind GSW and the Cavs.  Kawhi wouldn't have any problem getting a top shoe deal. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23214746/philadelphia-76ers-finish-3rd-nba-merchandise-sales-golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers

I was complaining about it on this board. To be honest, you specifically as one of the people. You have done outlandish defense and hype of the 76ers on this board for years. Ironic you tried to chime in with this again. I actually really liked Simmons and Embiid at one point, but it has become a lot harder to enjoy them cause of posters that behave the way you do on this forum. On the flip side I was always very down on Okafor and people on here blasted me for that at the time.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:05:45 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.

I still can't believe what I read recently from him.

"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.

Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites.  is what it is.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:06:24 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.

I still can't believe what I read recently from him.

"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.

Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites.  is what it is.

What if Lebron was added to the existing core in Philly?

Also I highly doubt GSW remains the favorites if that hypothetically did happen.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.

I still can't believe what I read recently from him.

"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.

Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites.  is what it is.

What if Lebron was added to the existing core in Philly?

Also I highly doubt GSW remains the favorites if that hypothetically did happen.

Please don't feed the trolls..
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Exactly right. It's always sunny in Philadelphia.

I feel bad for the guy, he's clearly lost his fastball and is relying on a bunch of off-speed stuff that has no movement. So easy to read now. He's clearly not the same guy he was before his retirement. He probably should've just stayed retired.

I still can't believe what I read recently from him.

"Healthy Celtics (w/o losing a single asset) + Lebron still not enough to beat Golden State" LOL. But he'd tell you healthy Sixers + Lebron dominates Golden State in 5 or 6.

Anyways, I think the Clippers could actually make a good push. #12 + #13 + Harris + Beverley is a pretty good offer overall IMO.
Yeah, you add LeBron to this existing core as-is, and Golden State might still be the favorites.  is what it is.

What if Lebron was added to the existing core in Philly?
I'm going to use my actual quote, because the ninnies on this forum have a tendency to misquote me:

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I think even if we added LeBron without sacrificing a single asset, the Warriors could still beat us.  That's how historically loaded that Warrior team is.  Two generational MVP talents.  Three of the greatest shooters of all time.  It wouldn't be easy.

I stand by that.

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: RJ87 on June 15, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
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How did a Kawhi Leonard thread become a 76ers thread?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: nickagneta on June 15, 2018, 05:15:47 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:18:02 PM
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How did a Kawhi Leonard thread become a 76ers thread?
Because I said it will be hard to beat an offer of Covington + Fultz + #10.

I could see Philly making that offer. 

The Lakers could presumably do something built around Ball or Ingram, but I think the gold standard right now is that hypothetical Philly offer.

My guess is during February when the Spurs turned our trade offer down, we offered a package of Brown + the salary filler of Morris + Baynes + Yabu.  That could have worked financially. 

The problem is right now, even if we were still game to include Brown + Morris, we no longer can move Baynes or Smart.  We'd have to wait until later in the offseason and do some kind of sign-and-trade where a guy like Smart agrees to go to the Spurs.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: nickagneta on June 15, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:21:36 PM
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

Other than the 8th pick, what can NYK honestly offer?

Users have suggested KP, but wouldn't you want to pair KP with Kawhi?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:21:43 PM
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.
We can't "easily" beat any offers, because matching salaries right now is kind of impossible.

Unless you're talking about moving Hayward, Kyrie or Horford, there's really no way to make it work.  You can offer up Brown + Morris, but that only gets you to 10 mil. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 15, 2018, 05:21:49 PM
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

Why does it matter since without KL, SA isn’t going to be contending?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
Salary matching is the primary problem here. Easier to do than for Lebron (hypothetically), but still difficult because giving up Jaylen in a package for a rental seems ridiculous.

I think rental Kawhi for rental Harris, rental Beverley and #12 + #13 from LAC makes sense for both the teams (Spurs/Clippers). Clippers would do it b/c they are a bit desperate. And unless LAL throws in BOTH Ingram + Kuzma, I don't see Pop trading him there.

Philly could be an intriguing partner. I think they'd have to add more to Fultz + Covington + #10 though. Fultz right now doesn't have much value as people around here think. Still a solid piece but not a "primary" piece in a trade.

Celtics would easily beat both offers, it's just contingent on what we're willing to give up.

There's ONLY three kinds of trades we can do:

(1) Jaylen + Morris + Yabusele + Rozier + Non-Kings/Grizzlies Pick(s)

(2) Smart (S&T - 14M/Year, counting as 7M in trade), Morris + Rozier + Yabusele + Pick(s)

(3) Kyrie FOR Kawhi Swap OR Kyrie + Morris FOR Kawhi + Mills

The 2nd trade allows us to keep Jaylen + Tatum and all our max guys, BUT we'd have to find a really good replacement guard since BOTH Rozier and Smart get traded in this instance (maybe we get it at #27 this year's draft?). I'm not a fan of the 3rd trade idea (rather keep Kyrie and form a filthy duo with him and Leonard). The first one seems the most reasonable and realistic for both sides, but man it would suck to lose Jaylen. I'd consider it though.

Idk, we'll see. After seeing us trade Isaiah and lose like 11 guys from last year's team, I'm prepared for anything and everything cold-blooded from Ainge  :P

(Just PLEASE DON'T trade Tatum)
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"  ???  :laugh:
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:29:14 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"  ???  :laugh:
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: nickagneta on June 15, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.
Didn't see that salty but you are right. Any name calling will be disciplined.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:32:34 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"  ???  :laugh:
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

Ah okay, I honestly had no clue  :laugh:
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:34:53 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:37:18 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"  ???  :laugh:
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

Ah okay, I honestly had no clue  :laugh:
No worries.  It wasn't directed at anyone specific.  Just a lot of folks here like to misquote me.  Obviously, I'd consider Boston + LeBron (impossible without giving up someone) to be the favorites in the East.  My whole point there was that even if such an impossible thing happened, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory over a Warriors team that has 3 of the greatest shooters in NBA history.  Because of how this modern game is played, you'd basically have to beat them in a 3-point shootout - which aint easy when they have arguably the two greatest 3-point shooters EVER in addition to Kevin Durant.

Anyways, my 60 day "unretirement" contract ends in a couple weeks.  At most, ya'll only have to put up with me until the draft.

FWIW, I'd say the same about Philly.  If they added LeBron without giving up anyone, it's still going to be extremely difficult to outshoot the Warriors.   If they swap Fultz/Convington for Kawhi and THEN add LeBron, that team is going to be dangerous and probably the East favorites - but Golden State is unprecedented. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 05:39:15 PM
So I leave for an hour and come back thinking there's good discussion going on.

Nope.

I see LarBrd throwing his Philly pride around here  ::)  :P

You know if this was the other way around (switched teams, same player) LarBrd would be praising Jaylen and calling Fultz a bust  :P

Also Fultz + 10 + Covington is definitely beatable. Fultz can be a piece but there's no way RIGHT NOW he can be a primary piece in a trade for a star.

Fultz will never be a good player in this league
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:40:02 PM
The next person that labels another poster a troll will be due a very long suspension. Let's get this back to Leonard and away from current discussion.

Respectfully, can we also refrain from calling people “ninnies”?  That was aimed at me, as a reference to the time when I caught LB making up self-quotes and called him on it.  I’m intentionally staying away from T-word, but i don’t see a reason that other insults should be allowed either.

I’m rooting for Kawhi to go to the Clippers.

Same. And also I saw "ninnies" in a reply to me and was like, "what does that mean??"  ???  :laugh:
It was a reference to people who misquote others on forums.

Ah okay, I honestly had no clue  :laugh:
No worries.  It wasn't directed at anyone specific.  Just a lot of folks here like to misquote me.  Obviously, I'd consider Boston + LeBron (impossible without giving up someone) to be the favorites in the East.  My whole point there was that even if such an impossible thing happened, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory over a Warriors team that has 3 of the greatest shooters in NBA history.  Because of how this modern game is played, you'd basically have to beat them in a 3-point shootout - which aint easy when they have arguably the two greatest 3-point shooters EVER in addition to Kevin Durant.

Anyways, my 60 day "unretirement" contract ends in a couple weeks.  At most, ya'll only have to put up with me until the draft.

I guess, but I just think Boston's defense right now can give the Warriors fits and if you add Lebron w/o losing a single asset (in that scenario), it's game over for the league. Also, I didn't think the Warriors looked "invincible" that last playoff run and I think if CP3 is healthy, the Rockets are in the Finals instead.

And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P

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FWIW, I'd say the same about Philly.  If they added LeBron without giving up anyone, it's still going to be extremely difficult to outshoot the Warriors.   If they swap Fultz/Convington for Kawhi and THEN add LeBron, that team is going to be dangerous and probably the East favorites - but Golden State is unprecedented.

Unless Simmons finds a jump shot next year I still think them + Lebron doesn't beat Golden State and wouldn't be a guaranteed lock to come out of the East so long as Boston is almost 100% healthy. Just IMHO.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2018, 05:40:32 PM
Why do GMs honor these 'wish lists' again?

Perhaps they have stock in Amazon and/or Scholastic book fairs :P. #ChildhoodMemories ;D

This is sad.  Kawhi used to be my favorite player.

Not so much anymore.

I'm not cool with this "I'm gonna sit out the season and demand a trade" thing.

If you're on a dysfunctional team, OK. 

You have the best coach and the best franchise in the league.  They made you a star. 


Get outta here.

While I'm not sure that they "made him a star", yeah, I agree with the rest of your post, even if he was never my favorite player, haha.

TP either way, though.

Lost all respect for Kawhi Leonard. Hope he rots and never wins another championship cuz clearly Tim Duncan carried him to his first.

That being said, the Lakers are going to be very dangerous for years to come WHEN they land LeBron James, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. They'll destroy Golden State and Houston.

Same - TP.

James, Leonard and Paul George have been the Lakers goal for several years. They dumped a ton of salary to the Cavs and will let Randle walk or use him in a S and T to clear more.

What do they give up to get Leonard is the big question. I think James and George already have deals with the Lakers in place.

The team screwed is Philly. Going to add nobody of any importance to that roster.

Bellinelli and Ilyasova disagree. ;D

Man, if the Lakers get all three of those guys ...

Must be nice to be a destination so many players want to go to, and to not really have to plan rebuilds because you know that, like, every few years two or three big-name players are gonna want to join you just because of your location.

TP. Yep, it's always the Lakers, smh. Not that I'm at all surprised, of course, but still - screw them.

Ahhh don't you guys hate it that whenever the Celtics become exceptionally good, the Lakers suddenly become godlier by adding in three superstars all in one summer.  ::)

Yeah nothing ever changes. C's hard working franchise to get to the top and Fakers just plop stars on the table like it's nothing. I think we about to see the rivalry reborn again. [dang] that team will be good though ugh

Yep - TP. Sigh.

It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.

So I guess you could say that his going to LA is a...shoe-in ;) ::) ;D *groan*.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:42:25 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 05:46:16 PM
Pops a pretty smart dude. I can't see him trading Kawhi in conference. For that reason I could see Kawhi headed to Boston or NYK.

Knicks would have to give up Porzingis.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:46:29 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol

Lol, Allstar weekend all over again.  :-[ :-X :o
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 05:47:42 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol

You are clueless. Ball and Kuzma? No Ingram no talk.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:47:48 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol

The Lakers apparently told Kuzma and Ball to "tone it down" after the "diss" track battle.

Clearly Pop is going to trade Kawhi for both of them (+ LaVar) :P  :laugh:

Yeah I'd be shocked if the Spurs don't demand Ingram as a "starting piece" in the trade...
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 05:49:33 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol
.

You have an attraction to overhyped point guards who can’t shoot. Nobody wants ball because he is too much drama and too little reward
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 15, 2018, 05:51:07 PM
Welp.

unlss Philly or Lakers want him more        Lakers Get PG ..done deal....Lebron or Leonard next prize.

I guess he ll be a Celtic next season.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:54:45 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Nah trust me I think it's the other way around  :laugh:

The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 05:56:44 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Nah trust me I think it's the other way around  :laugh:

The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.

A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 05:58:11 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Don’t you mean multiple burner usernames you use reached out to you asking you to return?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:58:20 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Nah trust me I think it's the other way around  :laugh:

The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.

A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.

Putting the entire Ball family in a bag and shipping them to SAS? Rude...  :P
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 05:58:43 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Well I would like you to stay LaBrd33, it's not that I hate your 76ers drivel, it's the fact you completely ignore how valuable our players are, and sometimes talk them down... Despite the fact some of our key players helped us reach the ECF. Then talk about Fultz, Okafor, Noel, Ingram, Hart, and a few other players, (not ours,) like their pre-destined to be the greatest. Hyperbole, I know, but that's just how I feel at times. I still would like you to stay, plus I frequently follow your reddit posts so it's like you never left, hah.

Lakers have no good picks available, just late ones. They would have to get rid of Deng, and some desperate team would have to be willing to take on a pick, although it'll cost more than one for sure.

Ingram, Kuzma, Ball beats that offer. I think Brown, Morris, Rozier, Yabusele+Kings pick+Clippers blows that out of the water though.

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 05:59:12 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol

You are clueless. Ball and Kuzma? No Ingram no talk.
Yeah obviously Ingram is the most desirable.  He's likely a better prospect than all the guys we're talking about (Fultz, Ball, Brown). 

I do think people are giving up on Fultz and Ball too early, though.   Fultz is still a big unknown, obviously.   In Ball's case, he shot like crap but he actually put up really solid numbers for a rookie point guard.  Whether that means he's the next Michael Carter Williams or a legit future star remains to be seen.  Even with the drama, I see Ball as a valuable trade piece.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Nah trust me I think it's the other way around  :laugh:

The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.

A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.

Putting the entire Ball family in a bag and shipping them to SAS? Rude...  :P

That would be rude to Pop. He doesn’t deserve that
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

Nah trust me I think it's the other way around  :laugh:

The trio is well in play but the offer HAS to be Ingram + Kuzma + Another asset NOT named Ball. I don't think Pop wants to deal with Ball and his family to be honest. But even if Pop is fine taking back Lonzo, it still HAS to include Kuzma and Ingram, but that beats PHI's offer.

A bag of balls and cash beats that Philadelphia offer. Leonard isn’t going to Philadelphia.

Putting the entire Ball family in a bag and shipping them to SAS? Rude...  :P

That would be rude to Pop. He doesn’t deserve that

But seriously, could you imagine Pop vs. LaVar  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
Monkhouse,

I have spent the past year praising Tatum.  He's a legit superstar prospect.  Best rookie we've had since Bird.  I give our guys props when they deserve him.  Tatum's in a class alone right now, though.  Probably the only real untouchable we have.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: saltlover on June 15, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

60 days ends June 28th according to your link that shows it started April 29th.  Looks like you’ll have to miss out on free agency.  (Don’t worry, the servers won’t work from June 30th to LeDecision III, so you won’t miss much).
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 06:04:10 PM
I just realized... trade for Kawhi... lose him in a year to Lakers.... YUCK

How is this different from the George saga last year??

 :(
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:05:16 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

60 days ends June 28th according to your link that shows it started April 29th.  Looks like you’ll have to miss out on free agency.  (Don’t worry, the servers won’t work from June 30th to LeDecision III, so you won’t miss much).
I'm at peace with that.

It'll be fun to hang around during the draft, though.  Should be interesting to see if boston trades into a higher pick.

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 06:06:51 PM
Monkhouse,

I have spent the past year praising Tatum.  He's a legit superstar prospect.  Best rookie we've had since Bird.  I give our guys props when they deserve him.  Tatum's in a class alone right now, though.

I know, I've been following you on reddit, when you made that Kevin Durant comparison.

Tatum is definitely in a class alone, but I don't know why you cannot believe Brown isn't somewhere anywhere near his stratosphere. The Green comparison you make really confuses me at times.

I just realized... trade for Kawhi... lose him in a year to Lakers.... YUCK

How is this different from the George saga last year??

 :(

That is true, that is the fear I posted in a few pages back.

But if Kawhi leaves a golden opportunity to win, be either the 1A/1B option, along with sports dynasty, then well, good bye then! Don't let the door see you on the way out...

T.T
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 15, 2018, 06:07:51 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I think the culture is pretty good and you're entitled to your opinion too. But why is it necessary to write down: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers'', seems like a way to trigger a reaction, since you know (you obviously have been reading the forums) a group of posters was annoyed that the media saw the Sixers as favourites.

Couldn't you just have written: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbablygetting by the heavily favorited Sixers''? You'd still express the same opinion, but in a less provoking way.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
I still think George will end up in Philly.


Lakers will need to trade Lonzo because that's a circus you don't need when you're contending.


I'd be interested to see if they can get Portland to consider trading Dame for Lonzo+Kuzma.

I am pretty surprised by this take. George says he wants to go to LA years ago, they actually get good and will have a max slot and he moves the furthest possible spot from his hometown?

That would be a head scratcher.


If he really doesn't care about basketball and just wants to be in LA then cool.  If the Lakers already have Kawhi and LeBron, what role is there for George?  He'd be the 3rd option.

He could go to Philly and make a huge difference for them.  Also, with LeBron out of the conference he would have a great shot at making the Finals.

In the West, even if the Lakers have Kawhi, Bron, and PG, they'd be one of three superteams out there. 


Philly makes a lot more sense for PG from a basketball standpoint.  I guess it depends how much he just wants a fun LA lifestyle and doesn't care if he's the 3rd option with a lower chance of actually making the Finals.

Why would George be the third option? I think he would be the second option and Leonard would be the third. Also why would George be a better option in Philly? Embiid took 17 shots per 30 minutes last year and Simmons obviously has the ball a ton.

Considering he said he wanted to go LA when they were horrible and didn't have any contract space, it obviously is pretty important to him.


You may be right about his priorities.


As for the third option thing, to me he's less talented offensively than LeBron (obviously) or Kawhi.  Both of those guys have shown an ability to carry a team offensively individually.  George has not.


In Philly, I think George would be ahead of Ben Simmons in the offensive hierarchy, and it would depend on the matchup as to whether he or Embiid got more shots.  Simmons would be a facilitator, especially in the halfcourt.

Disagree.

It was reported months ago that Kawhi was upset that lesser players get bigger shoe deals than he does.  So, he wants exposure.

Under those circumstances, LA and NYK make sense, even if I'd argue that winning is the best exposure.
It has nothing to do with city with Leonard, it is him.  He is just a boring quiet player.  Sure, he probably gets a bigger deal in NY or LA, but he still won't get as big as he could because of his personality.  Westbrook has done just fine in Oklahoma City.  James did just fine in Cleveland.  etc.

LOL ;D.

Unbelievable, and yet Leonard hasn't talked to Pops yet.

Ugh.

I hate how the Lakers can just get anyone they want..

We'll see, but if they end up with LeBron, George, and Leonard... That's a very scary team that can definitely give GSW up to 7 games. Real question is how will their team look like?

Same - TP.

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Naturally, this depends on as to how the Spurs feel about Doncic, but if he really is available when it comes time to make the 4th overall selection, Memphis has stated that they want to at least try to remain competitive and in the playoff picture, so why not trade Parsons and #4, well, for Leonard and Rudy Gay?

I know that the latter would have to agree to opt into the final year of his deal, but think about this possible starting lineup -

C - Marc Gasol

PF - JaMychal Green

SF - Kawhi Leonard

SG - Honestly not sure on this one. Perhaps they could go after Danny Green if they're unsure about Wayne Selden's knee, for example.

PG - Mike Conley

Add to that a bench consisting of Tyreke Evans (re-signed), Selden, Dillon Brooks, and Gay (whose career would essentially come full circle and give the Grizzlies another great reserve offensive spark plug), and all that they'd be missing would be a backup big guy, but still, that team could very well win it all, imo.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on June 15, 2018, 06:13:18 PM
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??

YES!!!!

Let the rivalry renew once again!!

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)

Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!

I "LOVE" this.

LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:20:14 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I think the culture is pretty good and you're entitled to your opinion too. But why is it necessary to write down: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers'', seems like a way to trigger a reaction, since you know (you obviously have been reading the forums) a group of posters was annoyed that the media saw the Sixers as favourites.

Couldn't you just have written: ''I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbablygetting by the heavily favorited Sixers''? You'd still express the same opinion, but in a less provoking way.
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy.  People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly.  Got labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc.  The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid.  I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years.  Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series.  Boston pulled it off.  People had a laugh at my expense.  I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks. 


 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 15, 2018, 06:21:55 PM
The NBA "coincidences" are quite funny. This is the first domino to fall this summer. All these guys talk to each other. The back channels have been working long before today.

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825

Have the popcorn ready for this offseasons @NBA FA dramas! Don’t be fooled, most big deals are already done “verbally”. More superteams are cometh...

12:09 AM - 12 Jun 2018
"Are cometh", really? :D

is cometh .....LOL
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 15, 2018, 06:23:01 PM

I know that the latter would have to agree to opt into the final year of his deal, but think about this possible starting lineup -

C - Marc Gasol

PF - JaMychal Green

SF - Kawhi Leonard

SG - Honestly not sure on this one. Perhaps they could go after Danny Green if they're unsure about Wayne Selden's knee, for example.

PG - Mike Conley


I'm just going to assert that no team factoring "Wayne Selden's knee" into its plans is an actual contender.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??

YES!!!!

Let the rivalry renew once again!!

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)

Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!

I "LOVE" this.

LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.

That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock.  Sixers and Raptors are still threats.

And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 15, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??

YES!!!!

Let the rivalry renew once again!!

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)

Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!

I "LOVE" this.

LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.

That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock.  Sixers and Raptors are still threats.

And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.

I wouldn't consider the Raptors much of a threat. They seem to usually choke in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on June 15, 2018, 06:27:58 PM
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??

YES!!!!

Let the rivalry renew once again!!

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)

Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!

I "LOVE" this.

LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.

That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock.  Sixers and Raptors are still threats.

And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.

Exactly.

And like the Celtics teams of old

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/41/00/8541009144b6b091efd4a444b26226b7.jpg)

We'd find a WAY to defeat such a team.

History repeats itself and we'd find a way.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:28:27 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Rakulp on June 15, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
Lakers should offer up both Lonzo Ball and Kyle Kuzma for Kawhi contingent on the Spurs also taking Deng's contract.

Then Lakers should sign LeBron, Paul George and Chris Paul on slight discounts.

Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Brandon Ingram, LeBron James. 

Freaky

Why would the Spurs ever do that?

Spurs wouldn't blink unless Lakers offer Ingram and Kuzma as a starting point.
On why the Spurs would do it...

If they decide they need to trade Kawhi, you can do a lot worse than adding Lonzo Ball (an elite prospect) and Kyle Kuzma.  You might be right that adding the Deng contract would be too much to swallow.

What if the Lakers were willing to give up both Ball, Ingram and Kuzma in addition to the Deng contract.  Just clear the whole deck, add Kawhi, and then use the cap space to sign everyone on massive paycuts (Chris Paul, LeBron, Paul George, Boogie Cousins).  Lol

You are clueless. Ball and Kuzma? No Ingram no talk.
Yeah obviously Ingram is the most desirable.  He's likely a better prospect than all the guys we're talking about (Fultz, Ball, Brown). 

I do think people are giving up on Fultz and Ball too early, though.   Fultz is still a big unknown, obviously.   In Ball's case, he shot like crap but he actually put up really solid numbers for a rookie point guard.  Whether that means he's the next Michael Carter Williams or a legit future star remains to be seen.  Even with the drama, I see Ball as a valuable trade piece.

Take away Leonard from Pop, and give him Ball and his Addams Family father AND Deng's contract, and I picture Leonard quoting Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon

"I'm getting too old for this (bleep)" :)
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:29:44 PM
And he reportedly wants to go to LA??

YES!!!!

Let the rivalry renew once again!!

(https://pm1.narvii.com/6066/72c60515082519f9e132221f09d61e4881b2c499_hq.jpg)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/7de6550c877ea9be520c5ccc6d129a75b2a0370d/c=511-0-4701-3150&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2017/02/03/USATODAY/USATODAY/636217150723042918-C03-MATCHUPBIRDMAGIC-03-20729883-1-.JPG)

Let Lebron James (and PG13) go there, too!

I "LOVE" this.

LeBron will set the travel arrangements for this coming together.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9ecf86208945beb049af8241faf49c58/tenor.gif?itemid=3530415)
From Boston's standpoint, it wouldn't be too terrible for a superteam to form in Los Angeles.

That clears a path for Boston to get to the ECF... or at least clears the Bron roadblock.  Sixers and Raptors are still threats.

And whether it's the stacked Laker superteam with Bron, Kawhi and George - or the stacked Warriors superteam - either way we'd probably be the underdogs if we made it to the Finals so any potential victory would be extra sweet.

I wouldn't consider the Raptors much of a threat. They seem to usually choke in the playoffs.
Bron has dominated the Raptors, but we haven't really seen how Boston stacks up against them.  They are still a dangerous team.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 15, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.

Celticsclay has supported me through a lot
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Beat LA on June 15, 2018, 06:36:51 PM

I know that the latter would have to agree to opt into the final year of his deal, but think about this possible starting lineup -

C - Marc Gasol

PF - JaMychal Green

SF - Kawhi Leonard

SG - Honestly not sure on this one. Perhaps they could go after Danny Green if they're unsure about Wayne Selden's knee, for example.

PG - Mike Conley


I'm just going to assert that no team factoring "Wayne Selden's knee" into its plans is an actual contender.

Not even with the rest of those guys? Plus, that's why I mentioned Danny Green, ;D lol.

Still, Selden is a terrific player, it's just that, well, his knee has bothered him at times, but trust me, he's an excellent defender with good size, a great athlete, and at least a very good passer with a nice jump shot.

See for yourself :) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgrfDLZOpfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzWnYtQM01g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi9v_Z1tBfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dGjhksPAC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8xgy_qr8U

Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 15, 2018, 06:36:59 PM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html


Quote
Got labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc.  The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid.  I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years.  Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series.  Boston pulled it off.  People had a laugh at my expense.  I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks.

Do you think Simmons is going to sprout a shoot or Fultz is going to make a comeback from shootingitis?   I think the former is more probable than the later.   But something about Simmons game makes he think he does not care a whole lot about the game or getting better.   He is a great talent but let's things come to him and isn't exactly assertive on the court.   He is also playing out of position

Come on, you have to stay until after Free Agency!
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 06:37:01 PM
And "unretirement" contract... who offered it to you  :P
Multiple posters here reached out to me imploring me to return so I could be the forum foil during the Celtic/76ers playoff series.  I felt obligated given it was a series against the Sixers.  I think it worked out.  Good old classic reverse jinxing - I was happy to be on the "losing end" if it meant Boston improbably getting by the heavily favorited Sixers.  I have no intention of staying long-term.  The culture here is more broken than Markelle Fultz' jump shot.  I figured if I was going to temporarily come back, I might as well hang out through the playoffs, draft and free agency - hence 60 days ;)

On the topic of Kawhi...  I think a Lakers trio of Paul George, LeBron and Kawhi is totally in play.  What's a realistic offer the Lakers can make to outbid Fultz + #10 + Covington?  Those seem like the two most likely destinations.

I wanted him back. He's made me a better person and helped me get sober. I wish others appreciated him more.
I didn't want to name names, but I can confirm celticsclay is one of my burner accounts who asked me to come back.

Celticsclay has supported me through a lot

Alright Colangelo. Give it up, we know it's you.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Monkhouse on June 15, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01.html


Quote
Got labelled a Celtic hater, a Sixer fan, etc.  The consensus from the fans here was that they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for Embiid.  I decided to hold my ground on Sixer island and it finally paid off this year when they had only their second 50+ win season in the past 30+ years.  Given that I had been CelticsBlog's Sixer foil for a couple years, it was only fitting that I be a part of the first (of probably many) Celtic vs Sixer playoff series.  Boston pulled it off.  People had a laugh at my expense.  I plan to crawl back in my hole in a couple weeks.

Do you think Simmons is going to sprout a shoot or Fultz is going to make a comeback from shootingitis?   I think the former is more probable than the later.   But something about Simmons game makes he think he does not care a whole lot about the game or getting better.   He is a great talent but let's things come to him and isn't exactly assertive on the court.   He is also playing out of position

Come on, you have to stay until after Free Agency!

My issue with Simmons is that he comes off as arrogant. His mentality, and his response to people asking him about ROTY, "I'm rookie of the year 100% percent," mindset just really makes me upset. He is fun to watch, but his inability to shoot with will hinder him greatly. I mean even Lamar Odom could shoot.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 15, 2018, 06:41:38 PM
I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...
Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.

Good for you ...Don't let them put your team down
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 15, 2018, 06:52:53 PM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Neurotic Guy on June 15, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
The feel right now is reminiscent for me of the summer the Lakers got Shaq.    The day Shaq signed with LAL, someone I worked with told me they heard Shaq went with the Magic offer (which was significantly more $$).  I was ecstatic for a couple hours till I found out that this was incorrect.   Jerry West declared his team championship-ready -- which basically is what you are when you coax the best player in the game to come to Hollywood.   

Lakers, a bad team today, projects to add 3 top players (2 top five) all vying for the chance to play in front of Jack, Dyan and Arsenio (we really need another generation of Jack's cocky smirk at courtside).


The Celtics grind it out with brilliant GM work and coaching, without any top 5 players, and LAL just tanks and frees cap space.  Lakers turnaround will be faster than any team in the league while teams like the Jazz, Bucks, Hornets, Bulls, etc. just keep trying to piece it together.  Thank goodness for Danny.

I absolutely hate the Lakers. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Tr1boy on June 15, 2018, 07:10:22 PM
Lebron, George and Leonard potential superteam stinks

Celtics still have a shot IF the Spurs will suck the Lakers dry

Randle, Ingram, Ball gone for example



Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 15, 2018, 07:16:03 PM
Lebron, George and Leonard potential superteam stinks

Celtics still have a shot IF the Spurs will suck the Lakers dry

Randle, Ingram, Ball gone for example

They'd have to gut that team to accommodate those three guys. That would be a super team up front, but little to no bench.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: nickagneta on June 15, 2018, 07:19:01 PM
Lebron, George and Leonard potential superteam stinks

Celtics still have a shot IF the Spurs will suck the Lakers dry

Randle, Ingram, Ball gone for example

They'd have to gut that team to accommodate those three guys. That would be a super team up front, but little to no bench.
We heard the same thing about Miami. They would fill that bench very quickly with vets on min contracts and friends of Lebron.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
I'm going to the island of Kauai from the 18th to the 25th.  I think it's a sign.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Birdman on June 15, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Watch out for Miami...goran Dragic, Josh Richardson and justin Winslow for Leonard work in trade machine..then they may sign Lebron
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: jpotter33 on June 15, 2018, 08:24:27 PM
Boy, reading this thread you’d think LA already signed Lebron and George and traded for Kawhi.   :P

My thoughts:

1) Can’t see Pop and Buford trading Kawhi to his preferred destination of LAL after his actions this past year, let alone a conference rival. They’d have to significantly overpay to get him, IMO, probably starting with both Ingram and Ball. Think Boston and Philly much more likely.

2) Even if LAL does land all three, are we sure this isn’t still a good thing for us? That opens up the East for us for years to come, and that puts three super teams, along with several up and coming young teams in Denver and Utah, all in the West to battle each other.

3) Not sure a Kawhi trade would be worth it, given that we already have Brown and Tatum cost-controlled, let alone Hayward. I’m also concerned about potentially losing both Kawhi and Kyrie next summer.

All in all, I’d rather pass on Kawhi. I’d rather see us focus this summer on trying to solidify that big position post-Horford by dangling that Sacramento pick and Rozier to try and move up for someone like Jackson Jr or Bamba.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 08:32:19 PM
Leonard’s real value to Boston is he is able to guard James and Durant. This is what Ainge is gearing up for
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LakersFan_33 on June 15, 2018, 08:55:50 PM
As the sole Lakers fan on this board, I was thinking about this news all day at work...and what I ended up concluding, is that I'd prefer to keep everyone and sign Lebron and PG13 (if possible). The Spurs will only do the trade if we gut our team, and I don't think it's worth it. I'm guessing they will ask for BI, Kuz, Hart and the 25th pick...Who knows, maybe more.

Given that he can after next year (unlikely, but still possible) and that the injury situation is what it is, I'm definitely iffy on the whole thing.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: footey on June 15, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
Leonard’s real value to Boston is he is able to guard James and Durant. This is what Ainge is gearing up for

Nailed it. TP Orlando.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 15, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
As the sole Lakers fan on this board, I was thinking about this news all day at work...and what I ended up concluding, is that I'd prefer to keep everyone and sign Lebron and PG13 (if possible). The Spurs will only do the trade if we gut our team, and I don't think it's worth it. I'm guessing they will ask for BI, Kuz, Hart and the 25th pick...Who knows, maybe more.

Given that he can after next year (unlikely, but still possible) and that the injury situation is what it is, I'm definitely iffy on the whole thing.

That is gutting your team? for Kawhi? Plus LBJ & co.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Windhorst and Jackie Mac on their podcast tonight said Tatum and the Kings pick is untouchable.

Said Spurs love Brown or the Celtics could move Kyrie and something else because of the kyrie’s injury and noncommittal attitude from him. Moving Kyrie would be a preemptive move because he might not stay.

Said Brown and the Celtics pick this year could be the offer. Tatum is untouchable and windy said he protect Al at all costs.

Said a few teams inquired when Boston did but only Boston was leaked because the Spurs want to deal with Boston.

Lakers don’t have much to send out. Would cost them Ball, Ingram, Kuzma and Deng’s contract which still isn’t the best the the spurs can get. Lakers face a long road to get this done.

Sixers would have to include bayless, saric, fultz and the number 10 pick. But even with that the spurs might not be getting enough. Might have to throw in something else.

Teams are concerned about keeping Leonard long term. Lakers want this done before free agency
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: mef730 on June 15, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
Windhorst and Jackie Mac on their podcast tonight said Tatum and the Kings pick is untouchable.

I get Tatum, but the Kings pick? Don't see that as untouchable at all. I'd trade that before I traded Jaylen.

Mike
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
Windhorst and Jackie Mac on their podcast tonight said Tatum and the Kings pick is untouchable.

I get Tatum, but the Kings pick? Don't see that as untouchable at all. I'd trade that before I traded Jaylen.

Mike

They said Brown and the kings pick would be overpaying for him and they would not include it.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Bobshot on June 15, 2018, 10:12:54 PM
Hard for me to believe anything gets done one way or another until Leonard shows he is fully healthy again.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: CelticSooner on June 15, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
Yeah I do not see that SAC pick being untouchable at all. I’d give it up in a heart beat especially if it would save some you from having to gut all your proven role players.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticinorlando on June 15, 2018, 10:15:54 PM
Imagine though this line up:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
Leonard
Al

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Baynes
Theis
Semi

I think Boston wins the title. They have Leonard to match up with
Kd or James in the finals. Can switch everything. Have offense. Have the deepest bench in the league.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Phantom255x on June 15, 2018, 11:04:28 PM
Imagine though this line up:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
Leonard
Al

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Baynes
Theis
Semi

I think Boston wins the title. They have Leonard to match up with
Kd or James in the finals. Can switch everything. Have offense. Have the deepest bench in the league.

Unfortunately I think Rozier + Morris also have to be added to the trade to make it work
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 15, 2018, 11:23:55 PM
Yeah I do not see that SAC pick being untouchable at all. I’d give it up in a heart beat especially if it would save some you from having to gut all your proven role players.
sounds like the kings might offer the 2nd pick for kawhi.  That would mess up our pick next year. 
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Sketch5 on June 15, 2018, 11:25:33 PM
Imagine though this line up:

Kyrie
Tatum
Hayward
Leonard
Al

Bench:
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Baynes
Theis
Semi

I think Boston wins the title. They have Leonard to match up with
Kd or James in the finals. Can switch everything. Have offense. Have the deepest bench in the league.

Unfortunately I think Rozier + Morris also have to be added to the trade to make it work

Yeah we end up losing our depth that really helped out last year. Not sure if this would be a step forward. It would all depend on FA and who the C's can get in the draft that can help out right away.
Title: Do you think Kahwi Leonard comes to Boston?
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 15, 2018, 11:30:27 PM
Simple question.  Does Kawhi Leonard come to Boston?  Celtics have the best talent to offer to San Antonio.  The Spurs also probably don't want to strengthen a rival (LA Lakers) within the same conference.

Does Kawhi come to Boston?

Also just a little tidbit I found out from Chris Broussard -- Kahwi's closest advisor is his uncle.  And his uncle happens to be close friends with Kyrie's dad.  Would the Kyrie Irving factor be able to help draw Leonard to Boston?  Things that make you go Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Do you think Kahwi Leonard comes to Boston?
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 15, 2018, 11:33:40 PM
Didn't D.Wade say Kahwi was Boston bound...a few moths ago?

Players know things sometimes.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 16, 2018, 12:29:27 AM
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Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.

And, I should ignore the fact that Embiid's injuries are exactly the sort that end the careers of big men, while Hayward's was a fluke that similar players have recovered from, and Irving's is on par with injuries many other PGs have had and recovered from with success.

So glad you're back, to provide this kind of objective analysis and keep the rest of us in line!
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 16, 2018, 12:46:33 AM
Quote
Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history.  Embiid looking healthy.  Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs.  At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid.  Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars.  Kyrie is extremely injury prone.  Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise.  Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 16, 2018, 12:48:52 AM
I vote no to the poll
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 16, 2018, 12:57:43 AM
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Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


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We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history.  Embiid looking healthy.  Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs.  At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid.  Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars.  Kyrie is extremely injury prone.  Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise. Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.

Please provide a factual basis for that statement.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: byennie on June 16, 2018, 01:08:33 AM
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Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history.  Embiid looking healthy.  Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs.  At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid.  Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars.  Kyrie is extremely injury prone.  Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise.  Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.

Yeah, nope. Hayward's career is absolutely not over. That is the medical opinion of nobody, and his recovery has gone according to plan. The default understanding is that he's coming back and will be a good player again, similar to Paul George. Injury concern? Sure. Career-ending? Definitely not the prognosis.

Kyrie is significantly less injury prone than Embiid. He played 52 playoff games in his last 3 years in Cleveland.. since we're counting playoff games for Embiid. He's actually played 2000 minutes in the regular season several times and is only 2 years older. Embiid has a much bigger, bruising body prone to injury and more major injuries in the 1st place.

Ah but why bother, you sure do enjoy playing the Philly card around here at every possible chance.
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: celticsclay on June 16, 2018, 02:46:35 AM
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Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history.  Embiid looking healthy.  Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs.  At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid.  Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars.  Kyrie is extremely injury prone.  Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise.  Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.

I guess I tend to agree with you old friend. Kind of bummed now
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on June 16, 2018, 03:13:50 AM
A 7ft guy with knee problems who missed 2 seasons and plays with minutes restriction is not fragile?
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on June 16, 2018, 05:33:08 AM
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Rody, to clarify, I quit posting on Celticsblog a while ago.  Back in the day I had been the lone Celtic fan who thought Philly had a bright future and that Embiid would eventually get healthy. 
People here were convinced he was the next Greg Oden.  I took a ton of heat for playing devil's advocate and believing in Philly. 

Embiid skipped a lot of games on minutes precaution last year, so it is not all smooth sailing yet.   63 games this year so it is always something with him.   But you absolute could end up being right.

Man, 63 games is pretty great.  We got less than 63 games from Kyrie and Hayward combined.


http://bfy.tw/Id33
We should add Kawhi too so we can be the "All-Injury Team".   Including playoffs, Embiid played 71 games last season.  Our hypothetical Big 3 of Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward played a combined 70 games last season.

Oh, indeed. That makes such perfect sense. I should be thinking about it that way, instead of thinking that in the last three years, Embiid has played 94 out of 246 games, while Irving has played 185 and Hayward 156.
Yes, you should be thinking about recent history.  Embiid looking healthy.  Kyrie, Kawhi and Hayward not even playing in the playoffs.  At the moment, those 3 guys are way more of an injury concern than Embiid.  Even without the addition of Kawhi, our team is built around two fragile stars.  Kyrie is extremely injury prone.  Hayward's career is over until proven otherwise.  Just have to hope for the best and cross our fingers these guys get healthy like Philly.

Yeah, nope. Hayward's career is absolutely not over. That is the medical opinion of nobody, and his recovery has gone according to plan. The default understanding is that he's coming back and will be a good player again, similar to Paul George. Injury concern? Sure. Career-ending? Definitely not the prognosis.

Kyrie is significantly less injury prone than Embiid. He played 52 playoff games in his last 3 years in Cleveland.. since we're counting playoff games for Embiid. He's actually played 2000 minutes in the regular season several times and is only 2 years older. Embiid has a much bigger, bruising body prone to injury and more major injuries in the 1st place.

Ah but why bother, you sure do enjoy playing the Philly card around here at every possible chance.

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Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 16, 2018, 06:00:01 AM
I think I like our team better without him.  Whose is the ballhander if we get him?   Who is going to the bench?
Title: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard

1.  Leonard won't be eligible for a supermax but will be eligible for the next best thing. A 5 year 188 million max , only with the team that trades for him this upcoming season.  Celtics would hold the key

2. While Buford and Popovich are in your face type management (doesn't matter if you are a superstar etc.)  Ainge and CBS are anything but this.  I can see a very good working relationship especially between CBS and Leonard

3.  Block the Lakers from getting Leonard and potentially creeping up closer in number of most championships.

4.  Also potentially block Lebron + Leonard combining.  Need to prevent Lebron from having one up on Celtics moving forward (unless he joins)

5.  And to at the top of the list, because it gives the Celts the best chance to win a championship now


Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Androslav on June 16, 2018, 11:39:55 AM
TP.
5/5.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Csfan1984 on June 16, 2018, 11:48:31 AM
None of those deals are worth it.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: keevsnick on June 16, 2018, 12:24:11 PM
No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard

1.  Leonard won't be eligible for a supermax but will be eligible for the next best thing. A 5 year 188 million max , only with the team that trades for him this upcoming season.  Celtics would hold the key

2. While Buford and Popovich are in your face type management (doesn't matter if you are a superstar etc.)  Ainge and CBS are anything but this.  I can see a very good working relationship especially between CBS and Leonard

3.  Block the Lakers from getting Leonard and potentially creeping up closer in number of most championships.

4.  Also potentially block Lebron + Leonard combining.  Need to prevent Lebron from having one up on Celtics moving forward (unless he joins)

5.  And to at the top of the list, because it gives the Celts the best chance to win a championship now

I'm not doing anything just because it might ruin the Lakers plan. I'd like to think the Lakers don't take up that much space in Dany Ainge's head.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: wiley on June 16, 2018, 12:41:01 PM
None of those deals are worth it.

Yeah those deals should be edited...each one remove half of what is offered.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 05:31:28 PM
No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard

1.  Leonard won't be eligible for a supermax but will be eligible for the next best thing. A 5 year 188 million max , only with the team that trades for him this upcoming season.  Celtics would hold the key

2. While Buford and Popovich are in your face type management (doesn't matter if you are a superstar etc.)  Ainge and CBS are anything but this.  I can see a very good working relationship especially between CBS and Leonard

3.  Block the Lakers from getting Leonard and potentially creeping up closer in number of most championships.

4.  Also potentially block Lebron + Leonard combining.  Need to prevent Lebron from having one up on Celtics moving forward (unless he joins)

5.  And to at the top of the list, because it gives the Celts the best chance to win a championship now

I'm not doing anything just because it might ruin the Lakers plan. I'd like to think the Lakers don't take up that much space in Dany Ainge's head.

I disagree

No active Celtics GM wants to be the guy....that watches the Lakers surpass the Celts in championship titles
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Eja117 on June 16, 2018, 05:45:40 PM
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious
Title: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on June 16, 2018, 05:45:50 PM
His camp (and uncle especially) seem to want him to play for a big market team.

But we've also heard folks in the media say Leonard has the Lakers on his list and Knicks as well (as preferred destinations). Haven't heard much besides that as to where he'd prefer to play and where it is that he'll likely sign an extension long term next summer.

I think Boston was on Kyrie's list last summer although it wasn't reported until about 2 weeks after Kyrie's trade request by former Cavaliers GM Griffin.

But Kawhi? We just don't know.

It's risky since he's a rental too, whereas with Kyrie you had him under control for another year (a little less risky).

Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 06:14:45 PM
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious

Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.   

Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant?  There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 06:19:46 PM
His camp (and uncle especially) seem to want him to play for a big market team.

But we've also heard folks in the media say Leonard has the Lakers on his list and Knicks as well (as preferred destinations). Haven't heard much besides that as to where he'd prefer to play and where it is that he'll likely sign an extension long term next summer.

I think Boston was on Kyrie's list last summer although it wasn't reported until about 2 weeks after Kyrie's trade request by former Cavaliers GM Griffin.

But Kawhi? We just don't know.

It's risky since he's a rental too, whereas with Kyrie you had him under control for another year (a little less risky).

Doubt it

If Leonard is traded here,  you would have to risk-  He will learn to love it here

And winning a championship would be massive in hopes to lock him up long term
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: CelticsElite on June 16, 2018, 06:22:37 PM
On tv, Woj said kawhi prefers lakers and maybe clippers

The fact that he only likes LA teams tells me there is a sentimental reason why Kawhi wants to go there
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Eja117 on June 16, 2018, 06:29:21 PM
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious

Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.   

Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant?  There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
I missed that this year.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: CelticsQuestFor18 on June 16, 2018, 06:33:29 PM
His camp (and uncle especially) seem to want him to play for a big market team.

But we've also heard folks in the media say Leonard has the Lakers on his list and Knicks as well (as preferred destinations). Haven't heard much besides that as to where he'd prefer to play and where it is that he'll likely sign an extension long term next summer.

I think Boston was on Kyrie's list last summer although it wasn't reported until about 2 weeks after Kyrie's trade request by former Cavaliers GM Griffin.

But Kawhi? We just don't know.

It's risky since he's a rental too, whereas with Kyrie you had him under control for another year (a little less risky).

Doubt it

If Leonard is traded here,  you would have to risk-  He will learn to love it here

And winning a championship would be massive in hopes to lock him up long term

Sounds like the George situation last year. And we know how it (likely) ends for OKC. Pass!

On tv, Woj said kawhi prefers lakers and maybe clippers

The fact that he only likes LA teams tells me there is a sentimental reason why Kawhi wants to go there

Yeah I think LA or NY is where him (and his camp) really want to go.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: outflip50 on June 16, 2018, 06:34:59 PM
The second you start predicating your moves on what an opponent is doing...you have lost
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on June 16, 2018, 07:03:52 PM
Brown
Rozier
Morris
Yabusele
Nader
2019 Kings Pick 

Makes the most sense for the Celtics but it’s something that I would have to think long and hard about if I were the GM.

I like but don’t love Rozier so I wouldn’t lose any sleep over trading him.  I’m not confident at all that Yabusele will be an above average NBA player.  Nader is pretty bad for an NBA player and Morris is good sometimes but it’s not that big of a deal if he wasn’t on the team next year.  The 2019 Kings Pick is just house money since we got the best player in the draft with that trade anyways.

The only thing that would sting is losing Jaylen Brown who I love as a player.  I think he is going to be an all-star.  Giving him up for a rents would really really suck.

The starting lineup of

Kyrie
Gordon
Kawhi
Jayson
Al

Is sensational and we would still be able to bring back Marcus Smart and Aron Baynes plus Theis so our bench wouldn’t even be that bad.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 16, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Brown
Rozier
Morris
Yabusele
Nader
2019 Kings Pick 

Makes the most sense for the Celtics but it’s something that I would have to think long and hard about if I were the GM.

Yeah, putting Nader in there really makes me hesitate

 :laugh:

Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: playdream on June 16, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
My offer:
Offer a salary match(Smart S&T, Rozier, Yabu, Morris, Nader)+ALL our picks needed to a point that beat out any other team(or at least Laker/Sixer offer) to get Kawhi

By this move you got KI+Brown+Kawhi+Gordon+Tatum+AL with Stevens riding the ship so you:

1.At the very least have a very high chance to get 1 champ next year, even if the injury bug strike again on 1 or even 2 star player, you still has 3.5

2.Pushs Lebron out of East(and Philly), knowing he can’t compete against us, at the same time stop the Lakers to form a super team,also the Warriors won't be the same after next year(more so if they lose), means there won't be any Ultra super team in our way to champ

3.LBJ and PG then almost guaranteed to go to the lakers, so the lakers can’t sign Kawhi next year, at the same time making us to have significant more chance to keep him, because it will be a cake walk to finals and at least 7:3 chance to win champ every year, thats the way you succeed either for your legay or money-endorsement , by winning, alot.

With that starting lineup and Coach you literally don’t need any draft picks, it will be more than enough to pickup minimun players/europers/ring chasers for the bench.

Even if "worst case" KI and Kawhi for some reason wont sign extensions you still have year 3 Brown and year 2 Tatum plus Hayward as big 3 plus AL(paycut) to contend for now and years to come(with no ultra super team in the league)

If KI and/or Kawhi agree to extensiton you can trade one of Kawhi/KI/Hayward or more likely Tatum/Brown for top picks to reload if you can't afford the tax after their rookie deal ends



For the Spurs:
Spurs will not get a star back for Kawhi, even if they do it will be a lesser star so they still can’t compete with Warrios/Rockets, and Pop/Parker/Ginubili/LMA don’t have so many years to Reload, so why not take as many pick as possible , with also trading LMA they are set for a great rebuild

Players like Saric/Roco means nothing but minus if they go rebuild, also will not be easy to get first rounders for them at this time

Players like Ingran/Kuzma/Fultz (who have star potential) will leave the moment they have a chance, just like Kawhi/Hayward/PG

Their only way is to draft their own stars like their big 3/Thunder big 3, and thats also why they are very good at scout/draft ,even for late rounders

They take the tons of picks from us and suck and get their own top 3 picks, hire a youndg competent coach and go the Celtic way of smooth, exciting rebuild.



Last, if King/Suns are stupid enough to offer their top pick which may trump our offer, then at least we assure Laker and Sixers can't form a super team.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on June 16, 2018, 07:11:26 PM
Brown
Rozier
Morris
Yabusele
Nader
2019 Kings Pick 

Makes the most sense for the Celtics but it’s something that I would have to think long and hard about if I were the GM.

Yeah, putting Nader in there really makes me hesitate

 :laugh:

I know right !!  ;D
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 07:12:32 PM
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious

Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.   

Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant?  There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
I missed that this year.

Are you kidding?
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 16, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
Getting Kawhi ,

prevents him going to team up with Lebron    and puts Brown who is going to be a star soon , on a Western team NOt named the Warriors or Lakers .


Celtics can compete against any two ...of Lebron  Paul George or Kawhi ...

BUT NOT all three on the same team .....thats at least GS power or slightly more.

Basically I want Kawhi to go ANYwHERE. Lebron is NOT .     

Since Lebrons Son Bronny is scheduled to play high school ball out in LA area ....with Pippens son ,  i think is 99 % done deal he is playing for Lakers .  He can move his money grubbing career ahead ,  life there and take care of his family as a unit in a house he already owns.

If One of Kawhi or Pg go to lakers , they will be Competitive, but not unbeatable , and it will take at least two years to put the deal together to work smooth. Bron has to install HIS peoples , coaches and system and train a coach to do as he is told.

All three wind up there ...thats a problem.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
These trades where we send all stars or future all stars and future high picks and good rotation players for Kawhi are hilarious

Just trade ideas that are risky, no doubt about it.   

Who can slow down/stop Lebron or Durant?  There is only one guy in the league that can do this. Leonard
I missed that this year.

In case you forgot

Leonard lock down D on Lebron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGlNxSvODw

Leonard lock down D on Durant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro9l54XgxD0

And for dessert. Leonard lock down D on Westbrook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH9KDox2KqA

And for after meal booze. Leonard lockdown D vs NBA All stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgRp_7iDY8
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 07:25:31 PM
Getting Kawhi ,

prevents him going to team up with Lebron    and puts Brown who is going to be a star soon , on a Western team NOt named the Warriors or Lakers .


Celtics can compete against any two ...of Lebron  Paul George or Kawhi ...

BUT NOT all three on the same team .....thats at least GS power or slightly more.

Basically I want Kawhi to go ANYwHERE. Lebron is NOT .     

Since Lebrons Son Bronny is scheduled to play high school ball out in LA area ....with Pippens son ,  i think is 99 % done deal he is playing for Lakers .  He can move his money grubbing career ahead ,  life there and take care of his family as a unit in a house he already owns.

If One of Kawhi or Pg go to lakers , they will be Competitive, but not unbeatable , and it will take at least two years to put the deal together to work smooth. Bron has to install HIS peoples , coaches and system and train a coach to do as he is told.

All three wind up there ...thats a problem.

I agree. Huge problem
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 16, 2018, 07:27:09 PM
Reading on another forum ..... the Celts have so much depth that they could probably get both Leonard and Davis (and be front runners)

What a job Ainge has done  ;D
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: chiken Green on June 16, 2018, 08:37:13 PM
He wants to go home...  Lakers or Clippers..
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: __ramonezy__ on June 16, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
At this stage it makes no sense to trade young pieces for Kawhi and have two starters that could potentially walk at the end of the year... plus he plays a position already filled by an all star
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: goz421 on June 16, 2018, 09:04:20 PM
Lets face it the media lie. Look at what they do to the Pats. They are really trying to push people to LA even though LA sucks. Trust me no star wants to go to lousy team to rebuild even if it is their home town.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 16, 2018, 09:54:21 PM
I think he stays in San Antonio

Too much money on the table
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: SparzWizard on June 17, 2018, 01:18:55 AM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: CelticsElite on June 17, 2018, 01:29:45 AM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
100% agreed about injury and attitude concerns
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: bopna on June 17, 2018, 03:17:39 AM
Once surrounded by proper vets he will embrace his teammates. Winning and a good culture will do that to you.

Besides.. If lebron and PG are with the Fakers.. I Believe they won't have the cap space for him to go there.. And if we win a championship.. There is no reason not to stay.. Question is how do we pay 4 max guys..
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 17, 2018, 05:34:25 AM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned. 
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: Surferdad on June 17, 2018, 07:45:49 AM
Lets face it the media lie. Look at what they do to the Pats. They are really trying to push people to LA even though LA sucks. Trust me no star wants to go to lousy team to rebuild even if it is their home town.
The media has absolutely nothing to do with it.  Leonard already stated he wants to go to LAL.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: Birdman on June 17, 2018, 08:13:35 AM
Good question...if he doesnt really want to come to the east coast then i pass on him..one year rental is not worth tearing up ur team
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: Smitty77 on June 17, 2018, 09:13:47 AM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

ALMOST as bad as Philly building around Embiid!!:-))))

Smitty77
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: cman88 on June 17, 2018, 09:27:19 AM
Once surrounded by proper vets he will embrace his teammates. Winning and a good culture will do that to you.

Besides.. If lebron and PG are with the Fakers.. I Believe they won't have the cap space for him to go there.. And if we win a championship.. There is no reason not to stay.. Question is how do we pay 4 max guys..

he has/had that in the Spurs. He also plays for an organization that is regarded one of the best in the NBA and one of the all time great coaches and he wants out....

Those are warning signs right there.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: cman88 on June 17, 2018, 09:34:43 AM
Any trade where you give up a budding star like Jaylen for a guy who openly states he wants to go to the lakers is insane.

He will just bolt next year to LA
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 17, 2018, 09:37:38 AM
You know - screw his list. I hope we stay far away. I HOPE he goes to LA and LBJ joins him and gets LBJ out of the East.

Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: cman88 on June 17, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
You know - screw his list. I hope we stay far away. I HOPE he goes to LA and LBJ joins him and gets LBJ out of the East.

Not sure why people are so scared of this happening. Let them and warriors beat each other up in the west while we waltz through the east to the finals...
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: LilRip on June 17, 2018, 09:42:27 AM
I’d give up Brown and Rozier but not the Kings pick. I also would need some verbal assurance from Kawhi that he’d be on board.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: hpantazo on June 17, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
What about Kawhi to Cleveland for Love? Lebron gets his sidekick and stays in Cleveland.

or

Kawhi to the Knicks for Porzingis. I think NY is the dark horse candidate to land him. They almost traded Porzingis a while back when he asked out, and his knee surgery has dampened his value enough.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 17, 2018, 09:48:21 AM
You know - screw his list. I hope we stay far away. I HOPE he goes to LA and LBJ joins him and gets LBJ out of the East.

Not sure why people are so scared of this happening. Let them and warriors beat each other up in the west while we waltz through the east to the finals...

Exactly! No reason for us to give up the farm for a 1-year rental of an unhappy player who wants to be 3,000 miles away. Please get him to LA and take LBJ and George with you.
Title: Re: No promise to stay but reasons why Ainge risks to trade for Leonard (poll)
Post by: cman88 on June 17, 2018, 09:53:03 AM
I’d give up Brown and Rozier but not the Kings pick. I also would need some verbal assurance from Kawhi that he’d be on board.

Thing is, you arent going to get that. all the "laker" rumors are coming directly from Kawhis camp to scare away teams and let them know they would be trading for a one year rental.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 17, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.

And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 17, 2018, 02:46:01 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.

And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)

Kawhii's in a lose/lose situation regardless. If his injury carries over to the following season affecting his performance, baaaad. If he sat out a majority of the season including the postseason over a feud with the team, baaaad. He even turned down a supermax contract from the Spurs.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: celticsclay on June 17, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on June 17, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
Man. Next year’s finals chase might be even more than usual about who stays healthy.

Houston: Chris Paul’s cursed playoff history
LA Lakers(?): Kawhi’s knees, LeBron pushing 34 with a *lot* of minutes under his belt
Golden State: Steph Curry’s iffy ankles, and an aging Iguodala
Celtics: Kyrie and Gordon

Weird when Joel Embiid is pretty far down the list of injury concerns...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 17, 2018, 03:03:54 PM
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on June 17, 2018, 03:04:19 PM
Man. Next year’s finals chase might be even more than usual about who stays healthy.

Houston: Chris Paul’s cursed playoff history
LA Lakers(?): Kawhi’s knees, LeBron pushing 34 with a *lot* of minutes under his belt
Golden State: Steph Curry’s iffy ankles, and an aging Iguodala
Celtics: Kyrie and Gordon

Weird when Joel Embiid is pretty far down the list of injury concerns...

Well, barring Leonard and Lebron deciding to join them they aren't really a finals threat.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 17, 2018, 03:19:31 PM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
They all played less than Embiid last season.  Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie.  Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons.  Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 17, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.

Mike

The number of LeBron threads was worse IMO  ;D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.

And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)

Kyrie situation again pretty much!
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 17, 2018, 07:42:33 PM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
They all played less than Embiid last season.  Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie.  Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons.  Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.
but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward?  I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: Sketch5 on June 17, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
They all played less than Embiid last season.  Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie.  Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons.  Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.
but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward?  I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.

Even if it's not opening night, by December he should be at full speed. He's going to be super rusty the first few months. Lateral movement will be the last thing to come back most likely physically, and then Mentally might be a bit longer.

But we know our young guys can handle their jobs until Haywards ready to go. I'm not worried too much unless he's not playing 5 on 5 by the end to beginning of September.
Title: Re: Are C's even on Kawhi's List?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 17, 2018, 08:38:13 PM
I'm not even concerned about the one-year rental. I'm concerned he might not put up his pre-injury all-star stats again considering that he hasn't played for a majority of last season.

He's got that diva attitude written all over him now, so he should go there. He wants to be in the big spotlight and wants to enjoy the hot weather, beaches, and Hollywood. That's where he belongs.
We'd sure be putting a lot of weight on some fragile talent if we were building an all-injury Big 3 of Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward.  Can't blame you for being concerned.

Yea I think most of these guys played less than embiid last season right?
They all played less than Embiid last season.  Its not fair to lump Hayward with Kawhi and Kyrie.  Hayward has played 70+ games in 6 of his 8 seasons.  Kawhi is 2 out of 7 season and Kyrie is 3 out of 7 seasons.
but of the three, aren’t you most worried about Hayward?  I still have doubts he’s healthy opening night.

Even if it's not opening night, by December he should be at full speed. He's going to be super rusty the first few months. Lateral movement will be the last thing to come back most likely physically, and then Mentally might be a bit longer.

But we know our young guys can handle their jobs until Haywards ready to go. I'm not worried too much unless he's not playing 5 on 5 by the end to beginning of September.
how do you rank the risk of reinjury for the three ?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 17, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.

Mike

The number of LeBron threads was worse IMO  ;D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.

And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)

Kyrie situation again pretty much!

Last week the "Latest Forum Topics" box had 5-6 Lebron threads out of the 8 viewable LOL.

Now you got 5-6 Kawhi threads out of the 8 viewable. Then about 2-3 off-topic threads or a rare thread about Draft stuff  :P
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on June 17, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
I would just like to thank whoever merged all of these Kawhi threads. You are the wind beneath my wings.

Mike

The number of LeBron threads was worse IMO  ;D

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Clippers and Lakers wary about Kawhi's injury. Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't brought up as often. Whatever injury he had kept him out virtually all of last year. That to me is the biggest concern about it all. I'd be doing a lot of homework on him before entertaining a trade to be honest, including checking medical info, etc.

And if it turns out that Kawhi's been healthy for a while (including the playoffs), then boy that's going to make the situation look 10x worse. (Since main assumption is that Kawhi and the organization feuded over the extent of his injury it seems)

Kyrie situation again pretty much!

Last week the "Latest Forum Topics" box had 5-6 Lebron threads out of the 8 viewable LOL.

Now you got 5-6 Kawhi threads out of the 8 viewable. Then about 2-3 off-topic threads or a rare thread about Draft stuff  :P

If you had asked me before now to guess the number of viewable threads on Latest Forum Topics I would never had guessed there were up to 8. I probably would have said 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 17, 2018, 10:23:23 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers have long been the preferred destination of Kawhi Leonard, according to sources.

Leonard, however, would also consider the Los Angeles Clippers.

Leonard turns 27 this month and went to high school in Riverside, California.

Leonard can become a free agent in 19-20 and he's comfortable not remaining with the San Antonio Spurs despite their ability to sign him to a five-year, $219 million supermax contract.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 18, 2018, 01:47:52 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers are willing to create a package for Kawhi Leonard built around Tobias Harris and the 12th or 13th overall pick in the draft.

Leonard is believed to prefer a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers but also has interest in the Clippers.

The Clippers acquired Harris in their deal last January involving Blake Griffin.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html
Title: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on June 18, 2018, 03:16:21 AM
Chris Sheridan (the same Chris Sheridan that reported first about LeBron returning to the Cavs) says according to his sources 'There is a 0 percent chance the Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard to a Western Conference team'. As Sheridan also puts it, Popovich would “gladly take 75 cents on the dollar for Kawhi if he could send him out of the West.”

IF this is truely the case and IF Kawhi passes a medical, Danny needs to trade for Leonard almost simply to stop 76ers from getting him.

https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-next-destination-kawhi-leonard-handicapping-field/
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 18, 2018, 03:40:01 AM
So what if Philly get him?

I think New York could end up with him if he goes East
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2018, 03:47:36 AM
Chris Sheridan (the same Chris Sheridan that reported first about LeBron returning to the Cavs) says according to his sources 'There is a 0 percent chance the Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard to a Western Conference team'. As Sheridan also puts it, Popovich would “gladly take 75 cents on the dollar for Kawhi if he could send him out of the West.”

IF this is truely the case and IF Kawhi passes a medical, Danny needs to trade for Leonard almost simply to stop 76ers from getting him.

https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-next-destination-kawhi-leonard-handicapping-field/
Dang. If we could get him for cheap (i.e. pupu platter of our role players and bench guys) Danny has to do that
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Erik on June 18, 2018, 04:07:38 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on June 18, 2018, 04:43:41 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 18, 2018, 05:37:54 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 18, 2018, 07:58:37 AM
Quote
my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks.

All the picks is too much up front with no wiggle room.   You never offer that much initially.  Also, any trade that offers both Rozier and Smart is one that is not taking into account Irving's injury history and very short-sighted.   Stick to your day job because being a GM is not in your future, nor mine.  JK.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: celticinorlando on June 18, 2018, 08:07:28 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Ed Hollison on June 18, 2018, 08:23:27 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs

Couldn't agree more. He's probably gone, but we shouldn't dismiss this as a possibility.

Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Erik on June 18, 2018, 08:35:28 AM
That may be good advice when you're buying a car that has multiple copies, but when multiple people are bidding on one item you dont want to get hung up on. We dont need any of the 2019 draft picks. Offering rabble for a superstar needs multiple picks included. Or you can include brown and only give up sac19. Make no mistake about it, though. He's a top 3-5 player. This isn't Paul George, kyrie Irving, or any of the other people listed in this thread. But sure offer rabble, 1 pick, get countered with brown and the picks, counter with my suggestion. Just a waste of time. They're not giving him up without multiple first rounders or people who could be traded for first rounders

We could also get backup level PGs on the open market. Rounding out the bench won't be a problem.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: JBcat on June 18, 2018, 08:40:12 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 08:55:33 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

For salaries to match, you might have to include Rozier, and maybe even Nader too (solely for salary). And truthfully it really depends on how they view Fultz. Some on here will say he's a "superstar trade prospect", while others look at him as a guy with legit star-potential that right now just doesn't have high trade value. Honestly if PHI decides to add Saric to that package and maybe a pick, it beats that offer. Otherwise, it's not too bad.

I wouldn't be surprised if teams (other than LAL) lowball them with offers at the beginning because remember, this guy is a rental who has made it clear he prefers to play with either LAL/LAC/NYK. Spurs leverage is honestly not that high here though they'll certainly still look for the highest offers out there (and prefer to deal him East). Kawhi may be a Top-5 player when healthy, but remember, that's "when healthy", because we also have no clue how serious his injury is/was.

Personally, I view Milwaukee as a dark horse candidate. They are in the East, and could offer something like Middleton + Parker + Draft Pick(s) and Spurs probably would like that. Or instead of Parker, add a prospect like Brogdon OR Maker. MIL is probably a bit desperate to add legit star power but right now they are kind of stuck where they are (unless they pull off a trade like this), and they probably want to keep Giannis happy going forward (which means better playoff success next year and beyond).
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: mef730 on June 18, 2018, 09:17:44 AM
According to this SPECULATION, which could just be click-bait (and if so, kudos to them), the Clippers have offered 12, 13 and Tobias Harris for Kawhi.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/othersport/975757/Kawhi-Leonard-trade-LA-Clippers-deal-San-Antonio

I bring that up only as a point of value comparison.

Mike
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: johnnygreen on June 18, 2018, 09:22:33 AM
Obviously, the biggest concern with trading for Kawhi is the risk of losing him in just one year. He is rumored to want to play in LA, as that is where he grew up. I know Danny and ownership can’t have contact with Kawhi to gauge interest before the trade. However, that doesn’t mean “friends” can’t call Kawhi like Irving, Hayward, or even Paul Pierce. One of the biggest issues between Kawhi and the Spurs was supposedly over his injury and how the team didn’t necessarily back him up. Well, who could be better spokesmen for the Celtics in that regard than Irving or Hayward? As for being born and raised in LA and then playing for Boston, could the Celtics have a better ambassador than Pierce? Maybe Danny just wants to hear if Kawhi is open to the idea of playing in Boston, or if he is dead set on playing in LA in one year.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: JBcat on June 18, 2018, 09:27:25 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

For salaries to match, you might have to include Rozier, and maybe even Nader too (solely for salary). And truthfully it really depends on how they view Fultz. Some on here will say he's a "superstar trade prospect", while others look at him as a guy with legit star-potential that right now just doesn't have high trade value. Honestly if PHI decides to add Saric to that package and maybe a pick, it beats that offer. Otherwise, it's not too bad.

I wouldn't be surprised if teams (other than LAL) lowball them with offers at the beginning because remember, this guy is a rental who has made it clear he prefers to play with either LAL/LAC/NYK. Spurs leverage is honestly not that high here though they'll certainly still look for the highest offers out there (and prefer to deal him East). Kawhi may be a Top-5 player when healthy, but remember, that's "when healthy", because we also have no clue how serious his injury is/was.

Personally, I view Milwaukee as a dark horse candidate. They are in the East, and could offer something like Middleton + Parker + Draft Pick(s) and Spurs probably would like that. Or instead of Parker, add a prospect like Brogdon OR Maker. MIL is probably a bit desperate to add legit star power but right now they are kind of stuck where they are (unless they pull off a trade like this), and they probably want to keep Giannis happy going forward (which means better playoff success next year and beyond).

Good point about the Bucks.  They can put together a very attractive offer, and for them I think it would be a very good risk with Kawhi only signed for 1 more year trying to keep Giannis happy.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Monkhouse on June 18, 2018, 09:39:49 AM
There is absolutely no way I can envision Leonard ever wanting to stay with the Bucks. Especially Milkuawkee.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: footey on June 18, 2018, 09:42:53 AM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Those pennies Indy got for George turned into silver dollars. Lol.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 18, 2018, 09:46:30 AM
The Spurs aren't going to let an almost 70 year old coach who has one foot out the door make such a franchise-altering decision.

I don't believe the "75 cents on a dollar" bit at all. The Spurs aren't stupid. They have to take the best trade available, or not trade him at all. Given how far they are from contending without Kawhi, and that he'll be a FA in a year, which conference he goes to shouldn't even be a part of the decision.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Surferdad on June 18, 2018, 09:59:22 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs

Couldn't agree more. He's probably gone, but we shouldn't dismiss this as a possibility.
I keep wavering back and forth as to what is likely to happen.  There's an analogy to the Kyrie situation in Cleveland in that both made their "trade me" declaration in the face of an upcoming contract decision.  SAS could play hard ball and not trade him but they risk losing him for nothing.  Do I have that right?
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: celticinorlando on June 18, 2018, 10:05:54 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs

Couldn't agree more. He's probably gone, but we shouldn't dismiss this as a possibility.
I keep wavering back and forth as to what is likely to happen.  There's an analogy to the Kyrie situation in Cleveland in that both made their "trade me" declaration in the face of an upcoming contract decision.  SAS could play hard ball and not trade him but they risk losing him for nothing.  Do I have that right?

Just think there is too much on the table for Leonard to walk.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:07:11 AM
There is absolutely no way I can envision Leonard ever wanting to stay with the Bucks. Especially Milkuawkee.

Maybe, but remember, according to Woj, Kawhi wants to also be in a place where there isn't too much outside pressure on him (not too much of a spotlight), and with Giannis in MIL, that wouldn't be a problem. Also, who knows, maybe MIL with that team, minus Middleton but + Leonard becomes a Top-3 team in the East that could even make the ECF (if they beat TOR or PHI 2nd round). That could entice him to stay. I agree it's not a likely possibility but MIL themselves could be desperate and may be the team willing to take the risk and give up a good package for it.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:09:41 AM
Wouldn’t be surprised if Leonard stays with the Spurs

Yeah honestly, even with all the reports/rumors coming out, the key here is that Kawhi has not met face-to-face with Pop and the Spurs yet. This is coming from Kawhi's camp (basically his uncle), but ultimately it's Kawhi's decision. I forgot where it came from, but I think former GM David Griffin somewhere even mentioned, "none of this holds weight until Kawhi himself goes to the meeting and looks Pop straight in the eye and says, I want a trade out of here."
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 10:17:04 AM
This is the part that I don't understand: If Kawhi wants LA (he's from there), won't he eventually get there?

The Celtics could offer the world to SA, but why would it all matter if Kawhi intends to play out his contract and sign wherever he wants.

He already has rings. At this point, he can pick and choose where he will sign soon enough.

If he wants to play for the Lakers, why would the Celtics then be a logical choice? This doesn't make much sense to me.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: timpiker on June 18, 2018, 10:27:15 AM
Anything any team gives up for Leonard depends primarily on 1 thing - does he agree to sign an extension?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 18, 2018, 10:31:25 AM
What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard? (video+article):

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

Things to note-
-espn says Celtics don't have any bad contracts, making it a problem to match salary for kawhi
-Espn thinks rozier is worth a "back half" 1st round pick
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 18, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
Here's the package they could offer without Brown or Tatum.

Marcus Smart (sign and trade for 12.5 million a year, worth 6.25 in salary as part of this trade)
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Abdul Nader (non-guaranteed)
19 Sac Pick

Given that the Cs have bigger assets (Brown and Tatum), I think the Spurs would want more. That said, if the Celtics didn't have bigger assets, that package is not bad.

That is a two-way veteran role player that would fit the Spurs system really well (Morris scores in the places on the court that the Spurs attack), a All-Defensive talent, a young guard with the potential to be a long-term starter in the NBA, and the 19 Sac pick that could be top 5.

I think you could argue that is better assets than what the Spurs would want from the Sixers (they won't want Fultz because the Spurs were one of the first teams that considered personality as part of their scouting process). Covington roughly equals Marcus Smart (depending on your personal preference), Saric roughly equals Rozier (depending on your personal preference), and the 2018 Sac pick is better than any draft picks the Sixers can offer.

Eastern Teams like the Heat, Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, and Wizards can all make an offer with comparable or better rotation players, but worse draft assets.

The Cs are probably in the mix, but the above trade means they have an unbalanced roster and it pushes Brown or Hayward to come off the bench. They'd need to still sign another big (Baynes, Monroe, or O'Quinn) and a couple point guards (Larkin, Evans, etc.).

If Ainge pulls the trigger, I could get on board with it, but I'm completely fine with the current roster next season.

Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: td450 on June 18, 2018, 10:44:17 AM
Kawhi was born in LA, played high school ball nearby and played college ball in San Diego. His partner is from there too. It seems like the plan is to force a trade there, with LeBron as the end game.

Ainge isn't stupid. For us, this would be a very high risk situation. Kawhi isn't the type of guy that we could easily get information from, and he certainly isn't someone you could expect to change the mind of easily. Someone who is infatuated with LA isn't likely to come around to Boston.

My guess is that Ainge's goal here is to mess the price up, and possibly get something out of the transaction. Do we really need to take a huge chance on a guy like this when we are sitting in an ideal situation?

San Antonio may not like the idea of Kawhi out west, but they have to start over now for the first time in 20 years. Kawhi could just play out the injury string next year and then leave. His best end game is to clean out LA's young talent and accept that SA won't be contending until LeBron and GS fade. Get Ingram and Kuzma and some picks and call it a day.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: colincb on June 18, 2018, 10:48:20 AM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2018, 10:57:18 AM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moron
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:58:36 AM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moron

We won't.

That's why I'm saying the C's and Ainge will play out the process and do their homework on this. Considering it's Kawhi Leonard who is a Top-5 player when healthy, it's worth the trouble to at least explore in depth, but I think the chances a deal gets done is less than 25% to be honest.

Honestly the first thing teams should be looking for (including Lakers) before approaching a trade is all his medical history/info and maybe even discussions with his doctors and medical/training staff. Whatever injury he had kept him out practically all last year. Yikes.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 10:59:12 AM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.
Of course we wouldn't trade one of our two best players + more for a potential rental who may never be the same. DA isn't a moron

DA isn't a moron. He knows that Kawhi wants to play in LA. Why then would he offer SA anything of value?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
Lets say the Spurs ask for Brown as starters for Kawhi

Danny counters with Irving and 2019 Kings 1st (and they accept)

Celtics would have a lineup of

Horford
Leonard
Brown
Tatum
Rozier

Hayward off the bench

vs if Celtics give up Brown

Horford
Leonard
Tatum
?
Irving

Haywayd off the nech

For some reason I like the 1st lineup better.  Irving can get tunnel vision and may not pass the ball enough to make the others happy. Especially Leonard.  Leonard is used to a system where the ball is passed around
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: CF033 on June 18, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
Let Philly tear apart their team to get KL. IMO there's a really low percentage chance of him landing in Boston. I'm positive they will demand Brown and/or Tatum which is most likely a no-go.

Actually I doubt he will land in Philly either.

KL really put San Antonio in a bad position. His value is low right now to any team not called the Lakers. I doubt anyone is going to cough up the assets required to make this worthwhile for SA knowing that he could bolt after a year.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 18, 2018, 11:52:12 AM
I agree with whoever said it above, I think Kawhi is going to the Lakers, whether it's a deal with SAS, or a year from now. I think Lebron is going there this offseason. Would not surprise me at all if the 2 of them have been talking about it for months. IMO, Lebron + Kawhi could push any team if they get a little help, including the GSW.

All this "Spurs would never trade him to Lakers" talk is nonsense. Giving away Kawhi or letting him walk a year from now for nothing is better for the Spurs' organization than getting a player like Ingram for him? Nonsense. You don't get to where the Spurs are by being stupid. I don't care if it's to Dallas or Houston, they have to make the deal that is best for the franchise.

He's a phenomenal player and I wish we could sign him long term, but I don't see any scenario under which Ainge can take that risk and give up something big for him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:21:35 PM
I still can't believe this and get a chuckle everytime

https://blog.turo.com/gearheads/kawhi-leonards-car-other-humble-athlete-cars

Quote
Kawhi’s 20-year-old SUV is affectionately nicknamed Gas Guzzler. “It runs,” Leonard told Sports Illustrated, “and it’s paid off.” The old Tahoe is a perfect illustration of Kawhi’s reserved and humble personality. He is notoriously quiet — a notable trait in a league whose superstars are iconic global celebrities adept at media relations and personal branding.
(https://i0.wp.com/blog.turo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1995-chevrolet-tahoe-6.jpg?resize=1024%2C512&ssl=1)
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In 2015, right after his $94-million contract kicked in, Kawhi reportedly panicked after misplacing his Wingstop coupons. Wingstop, who happily sponsors the 6’8 Southern California native, quickly sent him more coupons to support his chicken habit.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:24:25 PM
getting back to business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXOyaK4xSw

Broussard says Kawhi main advisor (his uncle)  is close to Irving father (no wonder Irving put the Spurs as one of the teams he requested to be traded to?)

PLUS....if these two are close,  Leonard probably has heard it all regarding Lebrons drama queen behavior

interesting
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 18, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
getting back to business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXOyaK4xSw

Broussard says Kawhi main advisor (his uncle)  is close to Irving father (no wonder Irving put the Spurs as one of the teams he requested to be traded to?)

PLUS....if these two are close,  Leonard probably has heard it all regarding Lebrons drama queen behavior

interesting

Kyrie can take the spotlight and Leonard can fill into the background like Al and Hayward.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Roy H. on June 18, 2018, 12:34:05 PM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.

Smart won't be the best player going out.  It's going to take one of Brown or Tatum.

The best I'd do is Rozier + Morris + ONE OF Brown / Sacramento #1, along with whatever filler and late round picks were required
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Erik on June 18, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
In order for me to include Brown into the deal, I'd need to get Kawhi to add Boston to his preferred destinations list.

I'd do the draft picks + rabble even if he says no. We don't need those picks. When we win a title in 2018-19, his tune could change. A title is worth more than picks with a team this mature.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:46:24 PM
getting back to business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAXOyaK4xSw

Broussard says Kawhi main advisor (his uncle)  is close to Irving father (no wonder Irving put the Spurs as one of the teams he requested to be traded to?)

PLUS....if these two are close,  Leonard probably has heard it all regarding Lebrons drama queen behavior

interesting

Kyrie can take the spotlight and Leonard can fill into the background like Al and Hayward.

True.

Also even though Leonard would like to play for his hometown team, a close #2 imo is who he plays under/organization

CBS and Ainge are smart like Pops and Buford but also different.  Not as in your face

Kawhi would fit here in theory
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:50:55 PM
If the Lakers can trade Ball for a lotto pick and trade this with Ingram, Kuzma, Hart...

I think the Spurs would take this massive pay.  Not sure if the Lakers would do this though....

Anything less , Spurs rather deal with the clippers (Harris, Louis Williams, Thornwell and 12, 13th 2018 picks,  2020 pick)   or a east team

Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: RLewis35 on June 18, 2018, 12:52:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs people were somehow behind this story.  Nothing like scaring Magic into thinking that Danny is going to add Kawhi to get him to cough up an additional asset.

Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:53:20 PM
In order for me to include Brown into the deal, I'd need to get Kawhi to add Boston to his preferred destinations list.

I'd do the draft picks + rabble even if he says no. We don't need those picks. When we win a title in 2018-19, his tune could change. A title is worth more than picks with a team this mature.

after the 2018 draft , the odds increase this happens.   Likely will come down to the Lakers and Celtics then

A potential trade prior to the 2018 draft (which is 4 days away) give the Clippers, 76ers, Cavs a chance

this is the way I see it
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 12:56:18 PM
Another interesting game will be, who makes the 1st move between Lebron, Paul, George and Leonard (if Leonard is not traded prior to the draft)

If Lebron signs with the Lakers, would the Lakers be less conservative and overpay for Leonard.  If the Lakers get Leonard prior to Jul 1st, would it be a easier decision for Lebron to join the Lakers.

Pure drama moving forward.  Plus unless an overpay, Buford likely doesn't give Leonard the satisfaction and ships him out to the east (or non Kawhi preferred destination)
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 18, 2018, 12:59:51 PM
Another interesting game will be, who makes the 1st move between Lebron, Paul, George and Leonard (if Leonard is not traded prior to the draft)

If Lebron signs with the Lakers, would the Lakers be less conservative and overpay for Leonard.  If the Lakers get Leonard prior to Jul 1st, would it be a easier decision for Lebron to join the Lakers.

Pure drama moving forward.  Plus unless an overpay, Buford likely doesn't give Leonard the satisfaction and ships him out to the east

I think Leonard will get moved before the Draft. A draft pick could be an important part of any trade, and the Spurs would want to make sure their guy is drafted.

George and James could still team up in LA, but if Leonard doesn't go there, it makes LA a less desirable location.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: apc on June 18, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.

Yeah, I'm out on the overpayment for Kawhi. I'll trade pretty much anything but one of the core players (including Jaylen).

I think Kawhi Leonard has been amazing player. I'm not convinced that he will continue to be that same player.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: JBcat on June 18, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
This went up a couple of hours ago.

What can the Celtics offer in a trade for Kawhi Leonard?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23826138/kawhi-leonard-trades-boston-celtics-offer

I HIGHLY doubt they trade Hayward or Irving + Picks for rental Kawhi. Just don't see it.

Now maybe Smart S&T + Morris + Rozier + Nader + 2 Picks (including Kings OR Grizzlies), OR Brown + Rozier + Morris + Filler + Pick(s). Those could get it done but it depends if Ainge wants to take the risk. He'll definitely be doing his homework in the coming days and probably even speaking with Kawhi and the Spurs.

Losing Jaylen or Smart would absolutely suck, but IF Ainge is confident that it's worth the risk and everything seems to check out, I'll trust him, and if Kawhi is truly healthy and committed here, then I don't think you can say no to a trade like that for a guy who is Top-5 in the entire NBA when healthy. Also probably the best (or second best) 2-way player in the league.

Smart won't be the best player going out.  It's going to take one of Brown or Tatum.

The best I'd do is Rozier + Morris + ONE OF Brown / Sacramento #1, along with whatever filler and late round picks were required

I’m not so sure.  With Kawhi having a year left on his contract, and Irving 2 years you could argue the value back in a trade is similar.

A re-signed and traded Smart is probably at least equal if not better value than Crowder at the time.

Even though Thomas had a historical year for us because of his hip injury, expiring contract, and pushing age 30 for a little guy his value might be on par with Rozier.  Obviously not equal players, but Rozier is healthy, much younger, and will be a RFA not like Thomas’s pending UFA status. If you don’t agree maybe if it was say a Morris and Rozier for Thomas it’s more equal.

Either the Kings or Grizzlies pick probably holds similar weight as the Nets pick we gave up.

We can throw in a late first to equal what we gave up for Zizic. 

We can throw in an extra pick easily too if it’s not enough.

The George and Cousins recent trades didn’t bring as much value back (pre Olidipo blowing up) as we thought too.

If this is true they won’t send Kawhi out West we have some leverage here.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on June 18, 2018, 01:44:00 PM
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.

Yeah, I'm out on the overpayment for Kawhi. I'll trade pretty much anything but one of the core players (including Jaylen).

I think Kawhi Leonard has been amazing player. I'm not convinced that he will continue to be that same player.

Couldn't someone say the same about our players ?  That when they leave Boston and Stevens they turn into nobodies???

Doesn't that weaken the packages DA offers ?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 18, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
Danny has done a great job of putting the Celtics in the position they stand today. They have been able to attract key free agents (Horford and Hayward), trade for an arguable top 10 player (Irving), and draft significant players (Tatum and Brown), while still having tradable assets. For Kawhi, I don't think it's a question if Danny can get a trade done. Will ownership give Danny the OK to move forward on a trade that has 4 max level players? Or does ownership say, we want Kawhi, but you have to trade either Irving, Hayward, or Horford?

Based on what I have heard in the past from Danny and Wyc, I believe they will go all in. It's not every year that a top 5 player in the world is made available. And when they do become available, you do your best to get a deal done. I believe Wyc said recently (Felger and Mazz interview), that when ownership got together to purchase the Celtics, their main concern was wining titles and money wouldn't get in the way. If Wyc feels a player deserves the money, he said he wouldn't be concerned about the luxury tax ramifications.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: footey on June 18, 2018, 01:51:56 PM
If Lebron and/or George sign with Lakers, can’t they negotiate option to terminate after one year, in case Spurs refuse to trade KL to Lakers? That way when KL becomes FA in 2019 they can renegotiate contracts to fit under cap?

SL?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 18, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
History tells us that after being traded Kawhi is going to turn into a mediocre player .
It’s a Spurs thing.

Can I get some examples of this, because I can't find any? Stephen Jackson? Aron Baynes? George Hill? Marco Bellinelli? Dedmon? Simmons? Boban? West? Joseph? Jamichael Green? Neal? Mahinmi? Tolliver?

All of those players went on to have comparable or better impacts elsewhere.

I just don't think you can back that narrative up with facts.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: boscel33 on June 18, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
People wanting to get rid of Brown and include him in a package for Kawhi, check these stats out comparing Jaylen's and Kawhi's second seasons:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Kawhi+Leonard&player_id1_select=Kawhi+Leonard&y1=2013&player_id1=leonaka01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jaylen+Brown&player_id2_select=Jaylen+Brown&y2=2018&player_id2=brownja02&idx=players 

We already have a Kawhi and his name is Jaylen Brown. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 18, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 18, 2018, 02:01:10 PM
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?

Mike

Prolly Thursday if a deal with a team involves draft picks...most likely before free agency because Leonard needs to be the first domino to fall before teams resign or sign free agents.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 18, 2018, 02:10:32 PM
Danny has done a great job of putting the Celtics in the position they stand today. They have been able to attract key free agents (Horford and Hayward), trade for an arguable top 10 player (Irving), and draft significant players (Tatum and Brown), while still having tradable assets. For Kawhi, I don't think it's a question if Danny can get a trade done. Will ownership give Danny the OK to move forward on a trade that has 4 max level players? Or does ownership say, we want Kawhi, but you have to trade either Irving, Hayward, or Horford?

Based on what I have heard in the past from Danny and Wyc, I believe they will go all in. It's not every year that a top 5 player in the world is made available. And when they do become available, you do your best to get a deal done. I believe Wyc said recently (Felger and Mazz interview), that when ownership got together to purchase the Celtics, their main concern was wining titles and money wouldn't get in the way. If Wyc feels a player deserves the money, he said he wouldn't be concerned about the luxury tax ramifications.

Yes regardless of what the plan will be the C's have a great problem to have. Don't have to really do anything and they still should win 65 games next season. Things really are at a luxury level right now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 18, 2018, 02:12:23 PM
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?

Mike

If he's traded on draft night it's most likely to somewhere else. Spurs can wait on the C's for a while.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: PickNRoll on June 18, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
Sheridan doesn't know what he's talking about.  The Spurs will do whatever yields the best return.  Think of it this way.  The championship goes through GSW.  The Spurs have a 0% chance.  Does it really do any harm to create another super team (or 2 more) that might knock off GSW or HOU?  You only have to play 3 of them at most and your odds can't be reduced when they're presently zero.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on June 18, 2018, 02:20:26 PM
Danny has done a great job of putting the Celtics in the position they stand today. They have been able to attract key free agents (Horford and Hayward), trade for an arguable top 10 player (Irving), and draft significant players (Tatum and Brown), while still having tradable assets. For Kawhi, I don't think it's a question if Danny can get a trade done. Will ownership give Danny the OK to move forward on a trade that has 4 max level players? Or does ownership say, we want Kawhi, but you have to trade either Irving, Hayward, or Horford?

Based on what I have heard in the past from Danny and Wyc, I believe they will go all in. It's not every year that a top 5 player in the world is made available. And when they do become available, you do your best to get a deal done. I believe Wyc said recently (Felger and Mazz interview), that when ownership got together to purchase the Celtics, their main concern was wining titles and money wouldn't get in the way. If Wyc feels a player deserves the money, he said he wouldn't be concerned about the luxury tax ramifications.

I think they're willing to pay to win, but if you send out Jaylen as the main piece you are going to have some serious problems. At the end of next year, if you resign Kawhi and Kyrie you have 4(!) guys with max contracts. Those will be 3d or fourth contracts and it's going to cost in the neighborhood of $130 million, just for those four guys. Add Tatum and resign either Smart or Terry and you're around $145 (before the tax). You still need to fill 8-9 roster spots, and some of those are multimillion dollar deals - Baynes or a backup wing; if we get lucky and the Sacto pick lands high that could be $5-6 million.

I just don't know how high they can go.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2018, 02:21:04 PM
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?

Mike

think so

Spurs will also likely want max return and won't happen unless Leonard is open to being traded to more teams

the longer this thing goes on, the better it is for the Spurs.

Leonard wants to be traded to a LA team but more importantly does not want to play under Spurs next season
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: cltc5 on June 18, 2018, 02:24:30 PM
Here's the package they could offer without Brown or Tatum.

Marcus Smart (sign and trade for 12.5 million a year, worth 6.25 in salary as part of this trade)
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Abdul Nader (non-guaranteed)
19 Sac Pick

Given that the Cs have bigger assets (Brown and Tatum), I think the Spurs would want more. That said, if the Celtics didn't have bigger assets, that package is not bad.

That is a two-way veteran role player that would fit the Spurs system really well (Morris scores in the places on the court that the Spurs attack), a All-Defensive talent, a young guard with the potential to be a long-term starter in the NBA, and the 19 Sac pick that could be top 5.

I think you could argue that is better assets than what the Spurs would want from the Sixers (they won't want Fultz because the Spurs were one of the first teams that considered personality as part of their scouting process). Covington roughly equals Marcus Smart (depending on your personal preference), Saric roughly equals Rozier (depending on your personal preference), and the 2018 Sac pick is better than any draft picks the Sixers can offer.

Eastern Teams like the Heat, Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, and Wizards can all make an offer with comparable or better rotation players, but worse draft assets.

The Cs are probably in the mix, but the above trade means they have an unbalanced roster and it pushes Brown or Hayward to come off the bench. They'd need to still sign another big (Baynes, Monroe, or O'Quinn) and a couple point guards (Larkin, Evans, etc.).

If Ainge pulls the trigger, I could get on board with it, but I'm completely fine with the current roster next season.

Were giving up all these guys who is are bench?  Yabu semi theis Larkin and brown/Tatum?  Yeesh
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 18, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least  ;D

In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.

On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.

Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.

Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: JBcat on June 18, 2018, 02:29:28 PM
Here's the package they could offer without Brown or Tatum.

Marcus Smart (sign and trade for 12.5 million a year, worth 6.25 in salary as part of this trade)
Terry Rozier
Marcus Morris
Abdul Nader (non-guaranteed)
19 Sac Pick

Given that the Cs have bigger assets (Brown and Tatum), I think the Spurs would want more. That said, if the Celtics didn't have bigger assets, that package is not bad.

That is a two-way veteran role player that would fit the Spurs system really well (Morris scores in the places on the court that the Spurs attack), a All-Defensive talent, a young guard with the potential to be a long-term starter in the NBA, and the 19 Sac pick that could be top 5.

I think you could argue that is better assets than what the Spurs would want from the Sixers (they won't want Fultz because the Spurs were one of the first teams that considered personality as part of their scouting process). Covington roughly equals Marcus Smart (depending on your personal preference), Saric roughly equals Rozier (depending on your personal preference), and the 2018 Sac pick is better than any draft picks the Sixers can offer.

Eastern Teams like the Heat, Cavs, Bucks, Raptors, Pacers, and Wizards can all make an offer with comparable or better rotation players, but worse draft assets.

The Cs are probably in the mix, but the above trade means they have an unbalanced roster and it pushes Brown or Hayward to come off the bench. They'd need to still sign another big (Baynes, Monroe, or O'Quinn) and a couple point guards (Larkin, Evans, etc.).

If Ainge pulls the trigger, I could get on board with it, but I'm completely fine with the current roster next season.

Were giving up all these guys who is are bench?  Yabu semi theis Larkin and brown/Tatum?  Yeesh

We would still have the MLE to use and maybe we bring in a guy like Tyreke Evans, and re-sign Baynes and Larkin with non bird rights raises of 20%.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
Is it safe to assume that nothing is going to happen before Thursday, and even then, it might take some time to shake out?

Mike

Yeah, I doubt anything big happens this Thursday to be honest.

Like maybe there will be some small trades within the draft itself, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 18, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
I'd say a deal is already in place that lands Kawhi in LA with Lebron.  Probably a 3 team deal, I'll throw out an example:

Spurs get: Josh Jackson, Brandon Ingram, #16 overall, Channing Frye contract
Lakers: Kawhi, Troy Daniels
Suns: Lonzo Ball, Kuzma, considerations...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PAOBoston on June 18, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
This might sound like a dumb question but are we for sure accepting the fact that Popovich is willing to tear it down and go full rebuild at this stage in his career?

A lot of the trade offers include mostly young players but no real veteran/ready to play guys. They made the playoffs last year with what they had minus Leonard. I kind of wouldn't be surprised if they did something out of left field and went after some plug and play type of players and see what happens.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 18, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
This might sound like a dumb question but are we for sure accepting the fact that Popovich is willing to tear it down and go full rebuild at this stage in his career?

A lot of the trade offers include mostly young players but no real veteran/ready to play guys. They made the playoffs last year with what they had minus Leonard. I kind of wouldn't be surprised if they did something out of left field and went after some plug and play type of players and see what happens.

Not a dumb question at all. My assumption is that Pop would tear it down and then retire.

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 18, 2018, 05:39:44 PM
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:

1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.

Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.

2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills

Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.

3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard

Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 05:57:56 PM
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:

1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.

Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.

2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills

Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.

3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard

Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.

The Pelicans would be an intriguing landing spot for Kawhi. As most of us have noted, to go along with Holiday/Mirotic/Davis, adding an elite wing would do wonders for that team and make them contenders, even in the West.

I think Milwaukee is another possibility, as they could get Middleton + Parker + a pick, so you got an experienced but young player in Middleton and a potentially great prospect in Jabari Parker. Kind of a "win-now" and "rebuild" move at the same time. I honestly think Middleton is a bit underrated. Not saying that's the best package they'll get but I don't think the Spurs immediately hang up on it either.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: LakersFan_33 on June 18, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
As a Lakers fan, I'm honestly not even sure I want Kawhi on the Lakers...not if it means gutting our young core. If PG13 and Lebron want to join together and we could keep our young assets, I think that would be, by far, the best outcome. The mystery regarding his injury is also very concerning.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 18, 2018, 07:02:31 PM
Just an FYI

Suns to get Kawhi Leonard opened at +1700

Suns are now -140 favorites. A span of 21 minutes

https://twitter.com/danlifshatz/status/1008831544088244225?s=21
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on June 18, 2018, 07:05:44 PM
I'd say a deal is already in place that lands Kawhi in LA with Lebron.  Probably a 3 team deal, I'll throw out an example:

Spurs get: Josh Jackson, Brandon Ingram, #16 overall, Channing Frye contract
Lakers: Kawhi, Troy Daniels
Suns: Lonzo Ball, Kuzma, considerations...
They aren't going anywhere with that two young guys and aging LMA, against Laker/Warriors/Celtics
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 07:16:22 PM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least  ;D

In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.

On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.

Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.

Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere

Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights.  In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades.  It’s probably older than some posters here.  It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 07:22:15 PM
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:

1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.

Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.

2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills

Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.

3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard

Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.

The Wizards should try to do Wall for Kawhi and DeJounte Murray.  That move would really get their franchise out of a rut.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 18, 2018, 07:51:34 PM
Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:

1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.

Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.

2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills

Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.

3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard

Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.

The Pelicans would be an intriguing landing spot for Kawhi. As most of us have noted, to go along with Holiday/Mirotic/Davis, adding an elite wing would do wonders for that team and make them contenders, even in the West.

I think Milwaukee is another possibility, as they could get Middleton + Parker + a pick, so you got an experienced but young player in Middleton and a potentially great prospect in Jabari Parker. Kind of a "win-now" and "rebuild" move at the same time. I honestly think Middleton is a bit underrated. Not saying that's the best package they'll get but I don't think the Spurs immediately hang up on it either.

I actually had that Milwaukee trade as number 4 but deleted it, I just don;t like it for the Spurs at all. Middleton is a nice piece but really that trade is about Parker's upside and I don't think it goes much higher.

Following on from my previous post... Do we assume that the Spurs want to rebuild when trading Kawhi? A lot of offers (Lakers, Philly) are based around that concept. But what if they don't? Here's 3 skeleton trades that could happen:

1. Bradley Beal / John Wall for Kawhi Leonard and a future 1st.

Why: Wall and Beal don't seem to function well together. Washington can choose which one to move for Kawhi and realistically they get better either way. SAS put in a 1st because of the uncertainty over Kawhi.

2. Demar DeRozan + OG Anunoby for Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills

Why: Also works with Danny Green if he opts in. Toronto need to try something different to compete. They are stuck where they are, this either goes well or gives them the trigger to rebuild.

3. S&T DeMarcus Cousins and Solomon Hill + future first for Kawhi Leonard

Why: Actually..really not sure but what the hell, that NOP team looks mint... Cousins is talented and Pop has worked with him so maybe..big risk though.

The Wizards should try to do Wall for Kawhi and DeJounte Murray.  That move would really get their franchise out of a rut.

Agreed, I think that's the best situation the Spurs will find. I guess it boils down to how comfortable the Wizards are in Kawhi staying long term.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
I think Kawhi wants to be in LA. Clippers or Lakers. He's won. He'll get paid.

I'm not sure teams should be trading valuable assets for a Kawhi rental. Is he ready to play 80% of the games as a mercenary in Toronto or Milwaukee or wherever?

I don't think that SA will trade him to LAL. He may be taking the scenic route to the Lakers like Paul George.

I think Kawhi for Fultz + Covington, etc makes sense.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: nickagneta on June 18, 2018, 08:24:11 PM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least  ;D

In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.

On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.

Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.

Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere

Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights.  In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades.  It’s probably older than some posters here.  It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 08:26:47 PM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least  ;D

In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.

On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.

Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.

Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere

Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights.  In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades.  It’s probably older than some posters here.  It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.

Yes, that’s correct.  I didn’t read what Sundance wrote, other than he called it newish.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 18, 2018, 08:29:27 PM
I think Kawhi wants to be in LA. Clippers or Lakers. He's won. He'll get paid.

I'm not sure teams should be trading valuable assets for a Kawhi rental. Is he ready to play 80% of the games as a mercenary in Toronto or Milwaukee or wherever?

I don't think that SA will trade him to LAL. He may be taking the scenic route to the Lakers like Paul George.

I think Kawhi for Fultz + Covington, etc makes sense.

It's not GM Phil Jackson it is Popovich. Fultz & Covington?  ??? ::) :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Chris Sheridan: 0% chance Spurs send Kawhi West
Post by: nickagneta on June 18, 2018, 08:32:14 PM
Yeah my opening offer would be Rozier, Morris, Smart (if he likes the spurs), filler, and all of the picks. If we can get Kawhi without parting with a major asset, it’s worth the risk of losing him.

I think the best gauge for a trade is Carmelo from the Nuggets to the Knicks. He was also 27 when he was traded to the Knicks on the last year of his deal and Denver got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

Not sure, that trade basically ruined the Knicks chances of building a contender with Carmelo, teams since have avoided giving up that many pieces in trades.

Really we should be looking at what Kyrie went for or what Deron Williams went for. George and Butler went for pennies on the dollar and I don't think we see that repeated with Kawhi.

Williams went for Favors, Devon Harris and 2 first round picks, one of which was #3
Kyrie went for IT, Crowder, zizic and a nets pick (Nets had just finished with the worst record)

Phillys equivalent of the Williams trade would be Fultz + Covington + this years number 10 and a future pick, they'd likely have to add a bit more as the picks are worse and Fultz isn't as good as Favors was, plus Kawhi is a better player than Williams!

Equivalent to the Kyrie trade would be Saric, Covington, Luwawu, + a future high lottery pick that they don't currently have...

If I'm the Spurs I probably don't like either deal and I'd look elsewhere!

Let’s say Fultz, Covington, and the 10th pick is the starting point for the 76rs.  Is that really any better than say S&T of Smart, Morris and either the Kings pick or the Grizzlies pick? I think it’s close but we can easily sweeten our offer.  If we can hold onto Brown that would be great. Ha

Before we get to value, we need to remember the newish rule on sign and trades. The counting salary in a trade is half the salary for a s&t player. Kawhi earns roughly $19m, to match we would need about $15.5m. Morris is $5m, leaving $10.5m to match. That means the Spurs would need to be happy signing Smart to a $21m per year contract! I'm sure he'd be happy at least  ;D

In order for salaries to work, and accounting for roster space, offers from the Cs either include Irving / Hayward or Brown, Morris and a s&t for Smart. I just don't see us doing that.

On value I think they are in the same ball park but what do the Spurs want? I think there are better deals out there than the 76ers offer unless they choose to include Simmons which is unlikely.

Washington could offer a package around Beal if the Spurs wish to remain competitive. New York can offer something decent as well. Cleveland is a dark horse if they can get a 3rd team involved, although unlikely. Also how about a Toronto package based around DeRozan? We all assume the Spurs would rebuild but that's not in their history.

Basically there are better youth packages than we can give without Brown and better compete now packages as well. I don't see us giving Brown for Kawhi so ultimately I think he ends up elsewhere

Um, this rule has been around since at least the 1999 CBA, when it applied to players who were traded within 2 years of signing a new contract using Bird or Early Bird rights.  In the 2005 CBA it was limited to trades within the first 6 months of a contract, and since the 2011 CBA it only applies to sign-and-trades.  It’s probably older than some posters here.  It’s a month older than Luka Doncic!
Also, isn't it that the value of the sign and trade is valued at half the money going out but full value coming in. Example, if Smart signs a sign and trade for $14 million a year it counts as $7 million of going out salary but the Celtics still need to count it as needing to get $14 million in incoming salary.

Yes, that’s correct.  I didn’t read what Sundance wrote, other than he called it newish.
TP. Thanks. I thought so. I see a lot of people doing sign and trade ideas with Smart and are getting this wrong when figuring out matching salaries.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 18, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 18, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on June 18, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.

That obviously kills a Fultz/Covington package. PHX is relatively close to LA so maybe they could convince Kawhi to stay. It would allow him to be in the spotlight when he wants, but not be immersed in it. Personally, I would LOVE it if Kawhi went to PHX!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2018, 09:04:36 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.

That obviously kills a Fultz/Covington package. PHX is relatively close to LA so maybe they could convince Kawhi to stay. It would allow him to be in the spotlight when he wants, but not be immersed in it. Personally, I would LOVE it if Kawhi went to PHX!

Convincing someone to stay that wants to play at home.... I don't know about that. Seems like a risky strategy.

If Ryan McDonough thinks that Ayton has a high motor, I think he's picking the big man.

If Kawhi really is a top 5 player (I concede he's def top 10 when healthy), he can basically pick which team he wants to play for. I don't think there's going to be much room for convincing.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 18, 2018, 09:26:23 PM
I think Kawhi wants to be in LA. Clippers or Lakers. He's won. He'll get paid.

I'm not sure teams should be trading valuable assets for a Kawhi rental. Is he ready to play 80% of the games as a mercenary in Toronto or Milwaukee or wherever?

I don't think that SA will trade him to LAL. He may be taking the scenic route to the Lakers like Paul George.

I think Kawhi for Fultz + Covington, etc makes sense.

It's not GM Phil Jackson it is Popovich. Fultz & Covington?  ??? ::) :P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You don't get Kawhi for 5 years.... you likely get him for one before he bolts for LA. I doubt SA can do much better than that.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 18, 2018, 10:03:07 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.

Suns have been in shambles. They couldn't figure out their Morris twin situation, and they still can't find a decent PG.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 18, 2018, 10:06:15 PM
im in shambles

man ..... ;)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 18, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Phoenix should find a way to dangle Bender or Chriss with a bad contract, and sign LeBron to play with Kawhi =).

Well, it would be interesting... LeBron/ Kawhi/ Booker core and great medical care... heh.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
According to Lifshatz---whom you all seem to hate...Kawhi to Phoenix for Jackson & #1 Pick ?

Deal would get done this week if true.
Pop should do it.

Why would Phoenix do that for a 1-year rental. It's GM suicide.

Yeah, someone tell me why any team would give up a top pick/promising young player for a guy that's headed to LA. Makes no sense to me.

That obviously kills a Fultz/Covington package. PHX is relatively close to LA so maybe they could convince Kawhi to stay. It would allow him to be in the spotlight when he wants, but not be immersed in it. Personally, I would LOVE it if Kawhi went to PHX!

Convincing someone to stay that wants to play at home.... I don't know about that. Seems like a risky strategy.

If Ryan McDonough thinks that Ayton has a high motor, I think he's picking the big man.

If Kawhi really is a top 5 player (I concede he's def top 10 when healthy), he can basically pick which team he wants to play for. I don't think there's going to be much room for convincing.

Here’s what the play is (although I doubt it’s for the rumored package):

Trade for Kawhi now and watch the Lakers sign George and LeBron.  This means that next year they cannot possibly sign Kawhi outright, and would instead need to send back a package in a sign and trade.  Presumably they’ll have moved on from Deng this summer in order to make room for LeBron and George, meaning their package has to include a number of their current prospects.

So if the Lakers sign LeBron and PG13, they aren’t a real threat to steal Kawhi, and you can recoup some of the assets spent for him now by helping him to the Lakers next year if he really wants to go.  The Clippers could be a bigger threat, as they could sign him outright more easily, but they’d still have to do a little work, allowing you to get something to help them out as well.  And in the meantime you have a year to convince him to stay.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:29:57 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 18, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on June 18, 2018, 10:51:24 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:

Pop and Buford will not trade Kawhi to the Fakers.....never, ever, ever.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 18, 2018, 11:41:39 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:

They probably won't give the Spurs Kuzma and Ingram without including Luol Deng's contract.

But Kawhi is Laker-bound regardless either next season or in 2019, so the Lakers do not have to give the Spurs anything; the Lakers hold the advantage right now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 11:43:16 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:

They probably won't give the Spurs Kuzma and Ingram without including Luol Deng's contract.

But Kawhi is Laker-bound regardless either next season or in 2019, so the Lakers do not have to give the Spurs anything; the Lakers hold the advantage right now.

Not if the Lakers get LeBron and PG13.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2018, 11:47:24 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250231/spurs-not-interested-in-lonzo-ball

As widely expected, and also from Woj's earlier Tweet, Spurs are NOT interested in Lonzo.

So LAL will certainly have to give up Kuzma and Ingram in a Leonard trade, and maybe even an extra asset since it's pretty well-known Leonard's ideal destination is LA and he's likely to re-sign there.

It also makes sense because after what the Spurs went through all year with the Kawhi saga and such... the last thing they want to do is create more drama and bring LaVar's big head into SA  :laugh:

They probably won't give the Spurs Kuzma and Ingram without including Luol Deng's contract.

But Kawhi is Laker-bound regardless either next season or in 2019, so the Lakers do not have to give the Spurs anything; the Lakers hold the advantage right now.

Not if the Lakers get LeBron and PG13.
This is what I was about to say. Kawhi could be destined for elsewhere.

I personally want Toronto to trade with him just because that'd be fun. I think DeRozan and Pop would get on like a house on fire
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2018, 11:10:32 AM
The more you think about it.... we forget how cheap or frugal Danny is , when it comes to trades. He is not much of a risk taker either

Example

Last season for Irving the Cavs were seeking the #3 pick (Tatum) or Brown and the 2018 Nets 1st. Danny balked.  Waited , waited and instead traded an injured player (IT4, Crowder, 2018 Nets 1st)

Currently with Leonard
Considering the injury risk/walking away after a year factor..... can't see Danny ultimately giving up/risking more than Rozier and 2019 Kings/76ers 1st + 2019 Celts 1st.  At the end of the day, this maybe the best package the Spurs could get for Leonard unless the Lakers or 76ers overpay

Prior to the draft
I still think the Clippers have one of the best shots to get Leonard, especially if there are 2 players the Spurs really love in this years draft (12+13).  Knicks could provide the 9th pick and Frank N (who pops likes).  Longshot is the Cavs who are known to make drastic moves to keep Lebron happy.  Trade Love for a 1st and also the 8th pick for Leonard.  (all of this doesn't happen, unless Lebron informally agrees to pick up option/sign extension)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on June 19, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on June 19, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSince83 on June 19, 2018, 12:34:16 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.

Yeah I would be a bit more open to the Kawhi idea if this had happened in Sacramento or some other disfunctional organization.  Having a falling out with the Spurs and being the butt end of remarks by HOFers is not a good look.  No thanks. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 19, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 19, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong

Certainly not a good look for Kawhi or the Spurs. I'm not taking the moral high ground like others here, but last year certainly didn't help Kawhi's legacy or prospects for the future.

I do not want Kawhi in Boston if he a) costs us a valuable young player or draft pick and/or b) wants to play in LA eventually.

I view Kawhi as a non-starter for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on June 19, 2018, 12:44:49 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong
 

There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?

That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.

I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 19, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong
 

There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?

That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.

I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
so every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasons
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on June 19, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong
 

There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?

That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.

I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
so every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasons

No one should lay down on the job just because they "don't like" their coach. You keep playing hard, and then leave when you get a chance..
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 19, 2018, 01:19:44 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.

But it seems like he got re-injured again, if you look at the time line, he came back after a few months from his original starting date, came in for a few games, and then got re-injured again and was declared indefinitely out? I mean there are certainly cases where teams will force or try to push players into coming back even if they aren't 100% healthy, or incorrectly advising the wrong medical procedures. It happens. Our Isaiah Thomas is a perfect example of that.

It seems like he got a second opinion from elsewhere. Also Parker should not be judging anyone for looking out for themselves..

I just don't like the fact Kawhi hasn't talked directly to Pop, and this is being released from his 'camp/uncle.' Just looks bad when you cannot be upfront with someone that you had a fall out with.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 19, 2018, 01:20:14 PM
Maybe I'm the only one but I can't get excited about a Kawhi trade whatsoever. I mean a guy who laid down for an entire season, quit on his teammates, clearly wants LA or NY.

Just don't understand what the big appeal is. Yeah he's good but the guy is also a whiny and entitled beyond belief...

I agree. Something is just not right when a guy disappears for a whole year in the prime of his career with what is supposed to be a minor injury, while playing for one of the most well respected coaches in the league on a first class organization.
its called strong arm negotiations


He probably wanted to be traded a long time ago and the spurs didn’t do it, so he retaliated

 I don’t see anything wrong
 

There’s a lot wrong with that. The Spurs are a top rate organization, his teammates and coach are future hall of famers, the organization wanted to make him the face of the franchise going forward and pay him the super max, and he wants to leave and sits out an entire season, bailing on his teammates?

That’s not the type of player I want to invest in.

I mean, if he doesn’t value being the man on a winning organization with a great coach, then why would we think he would be happy to stay here if we give up assets for him?
so every player has to like pop because he’s a future Hall of famer ? Kawhi is rumored to not like pop for many reasons

No one should lay down on the job just because they "don't like" their coach. You keep playing hard, and then leave when you get a chance..
its rumored that he didn’t like the training staff for bringing him back only to get reinjured in 1 game, didn’t loke Parker for throwing him under the bus, didn’t like pop for practices and bad communication
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2018, 01:41:11 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PickNRoll on June 19, 2018, 01:54:57 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship
I'd be disappointed with that return if I'm the Spurs.  Ntilikina is nice, but not a high ceiling IMO.  Hardaway is mediocre at best.  You can probably find a nice prospect at 9, but no guarantee.  I'd be holding out for a combination of players like Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Jackson, Jaylen... maybe 2 guys of that caliber and future picks.  The Lakers have to go all in to land Kawhi or PG13 to secure Lebron.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 19, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
@ChrisMannixYS said on @985TheSportsHub he hears from people inside Kawhi Leonard's circle the superstar is 100% healthy and recovered from his quad injury

@ChrisMannixYS said on @985TheSportsHub he believes the #Spurs won't prioritize sending Kawhi Leonard to the Eastern Conference, if he's moved. They just want the best package, even if that comes from the West.

Looks like Kuzma and Ingram to the Spurs may become a reality after all.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 02:45:14 PM
He goes to the Lakers, James and George go also.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 03:13:54 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on June 19, 2018, 03:15:50 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.

LOL Hayward/Irving AND Brown AND a pick??? Gross
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 19, 2018, 03:40:29 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 19, 2018, 03:48:18 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy

Bet he has a lot more now.  ::)

Seriously, though, does sound like a good marketing campaign. I should send out a tweet

With the #NBADraft days away, sounds like Spurs have decided to send Leonard, their 2020 first and their 2022 first to the Celtics for Yabu, the rights to Sullinger and a really big hot dog from the concession stand. Not one of the minis. One of those jumbo guys that sells for $10. Commish Silver agreeing to waive salary matching restrictions.

Wonder how many times one could get that retweeted?

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy


17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 19, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship

I think this is a more attractive package than the Fultz one, if they want to send him East they consider it.

Still think we're wrong to only look at rebuilding packages though
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 19, 2018, 04:08:06 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
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With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.

Yeah there is no way we offer an all-star AND Brown. Those two packages mentioned aren’t remotely close. Saric is a good but not great player and Fultz has as much bust potential now as he does boom. The 10th pick this year or a future pick?

If that’s what we would have to give up, no thanks.

Sounds like this guy is just throwing stuff out there with no insight.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 19, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship

Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?

Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 19, 2018, 04:27:23 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy


17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.

Still never heard of the guy.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 19, 2018, 04:30:13 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship

Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?

Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?

Sure, if they were able to move Hardaway for Leonard they could make it work.  They’d have to dump the last year of Courtney Lee as well next summer, in addition to stretching Noah. And it would be one of those situations where you’ve got your three stars, a bunch of minimum players, are done a draft pick or two in the future, and are capped out.

But I really can’t see San Antonio taking that package.  Hardaway isn’t doing anything for them other than taking up a lot of cap space for a long time.  Kanter’s expiring makes more sense.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Donoghus on June 19, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy


17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.

Still never heard of the guy.

One of the things throwing me off on that account's bio is the link to sherdianhoops.com.   That site "shut down" in 2016.  Why still link to it in your bio?  To see archives?  Just weird.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 19, 2018, 06:21:07 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy


17K followers...just passing on the info I see...
Oops. Read wrong. He is following 250 others. My bad.

Still never heard of the guy.

One of the things throwing me off on that account's bio is the link to sherdianhoops.com.   That site "shut down" in 2016.  Why still link to it in your bio?  To see archives?  Just weird.

I remember sheridanhoops.com being my go-to source during the lockout in 2011 haha. It was before we (or at least I) got everything through Twitter, I guess.

He was the original Woj imo.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 19, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
Probasketballdraft

 
@Probballdraft
 32s33 seconds ago
More
With the #NBADraft Kawhi Leonard's shadow is looming both the Sixers and Celtics are options but his stated preference is LA. Celtics deal could be Hayward or Irving and Brown with a pick. Sixers offer on the table is Fultz, Saric, and a 1st rounder.


There is no way in hell I send out Brown, a pick AND Hayward or Kyrie.
Who is @probasketballdraft? Some guy with 250 followers? I think guys here at CB have more credence than this guy

Bet he has a lot more now.  ::)

Seriously, though, does sound like a good marketing campaign. I should send out a tweet

With the #NBADraft days away, sounds like Spurs have decided to send Leonard, their 2020 first and their 2022 first to the Celtics for Yabu, the rights to Sullinger and a really big hot dog from the concession stand. Not one of the minis. One of those jumbo guys that sells for $10. Commish Silver agreeing to waive salary matching restrictions.

Wonder how many times one could get that retweeted?

Mike

Depends. Are you willing to pay $15 a month, I believe, for Twitter's "Promote Mode"? ::) ;D
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 19, 2018, 06:44:59 PM
If Ainge deals Kyrie or Hayward AND Jaylen Brown along with a pick FOR Kawhi Leonard, I expect the City of Boston to make him run for his life and make sure he is not seen again anywhere near the state of Massachusetts.

I am not giving up two stars and a valuable pick for a player who played only 9 games last season and who will bolt to the Lakers in a year because he has his mind set for Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 19, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
If Ainge deals Kyrie or Hayward AND Jaylen Brown along with a pick FOR Kawhi Leonard, I expect the City of Boston to make him run for his life and make sure he is not seen again anywhere near the state of Massachusetts.

I am not giving up two stars and a valuable pick for a player who played only 9 games last season and who will bolt to the Lakers in a year because he has his mind set for Los Angeles.

Kawhi you gotta be so rude...;) ::) ;D *groan*.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 07:44:18 PM
Tom Penn on ESPN just said it was not worth Boston going after  Leonard. Too much money and it imbalances their roster if Kyrie was moved.

Said stay the course because they are good enough as is
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 19, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship

Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?

Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?

Sure, if they were able to move Hardaway for Leonard they could make it work.  They’d have to dump the last year of Courtney Lee as well next summer, in addition to stretching Noah. And it would be one of those situations where you’ve got your three stars, a bunch of minimum players, are done a draft pick or two in the future, and are capped out.

But I really can’t see San Antonio taking that package.  Hardaway isn’t doing anything for them other than taking up a lot of cap space for a long time.  Kanter’s expiring makes more sense.

Doubt he goes to Knicks unless Porzingis comes back. Balance of Knick roster is lame.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 19, 2018, 07:58:26 PM
Tom Penn on ESPN just said it was not worth Boston going after  Leonard. Too much money and it imbalances their roster if Kyrie was moved.

Said stay the course because they are good enough as is

Straight up for Kyrie maybe.

But to have to include Brown, Rozier, Morris, etc. will gut the depth, especially if we lose Smart.

I don’t hate the idea of Kyrie for Kawhi and then Brown for Doncic (if Danny loves him). While Kyrie is one of the very elite shot-creators, we would have Leonard, Tatum, and Hayward who are all very capable of creating for themselves. And then the offense can be ran through both Doncic or Horford. Unreal to try to gameplan against.

Seems like DA could do a lot this summer or absolutely nothing at all (other than draft at 27 and resign our guys. He is in a good spot where he isn’t pressured do make a move just for the sake of it, only if he feels it’s worth it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 19, 2018, 08:07:31 PM
One team that has good enough assets ... I hope doesn't win in the Leonard sweepstakes is the Knicks

9th, Frank N,  Hardaway Jr , future 1st for Leonard

Bc this could really entice Irving to leave for the Knicks next season if the Celts dont win the championship

Wonder what their cap situation will allow for?

Can they still stretch Noah’s $19M salary (I doubt they can move him)? Can they afford to give max salaries to Porzingis (assuming he comes back as effective), Kawhi AND Irving?

Sure, if they were able to move Hardaway for Leonard they could make it work.  They’d have to dump the last year of Courtney Lee as well next summer, in addition to stretching Noah. And it would be one of those situations where you’ve got your three stars, a bunch of minimum players, are done a draft pick or two in the future, and are capped out.

But I really can’t see San Antonio taking that package.  Hardaway isn’t doing anything for them other than taking up a lot of cap space for a long time.  Kanter’s expiring makes more sense.

Do you think multiple firsts would get it done? Ntilikina has shown potential (at least to Knicks fans lol) and Hardaway is definitely a rotation player who could play well with Aldridge. Add in the 9th pick which mayyyy be someone like Porter (doubt it) AND if you could squeeze out another future first or two, it may be a good enough package.

Steep price for NYK but they get a bonafide elite talent to pair with KP (if they trust his body going forward) and have the potential to add a third star. Sure they will mortgage their draft future (and we all saw how that worked out for Brooklyn, but the circumstances were very different), but players of Kawhi’s caliber don’t seem to wind up in New York that often.

May be worth the premium.

Perhaps if someone the Spurs love is there at 9 it may become a viable option.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 19, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
Tom Penn on ESPN just said it was not worth Boston going after  Leonard. Too much money and it imbalances their roster if Kyrie was moved.

Said stay the course because they are good enough as is

Sounds about right to me....
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on June 19, 2018, 09:21:51 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T

They would still manage to lose a ton of games. Leonard would play half-assed if he even plays, and the chemistry on that team would be awful.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: goCeltics on June 19, 2018, 09:29:32 PM
i would trade for kawhi, his is as good if not better than Pierce at his peak, you never lose with players like that. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 19, 2018, 10:36:23 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T

And then Kawhi Leonard bolts for the Lakers. What a scary thought indeed.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T

And then Kawhi Leonard bolts for the Lakers. What a scary thought indeed.


In the meantime our 2019 pick tanks

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 19, 2018, 11:08:34 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T

They would still manage to lose a ton of games. Leonard would play half-assed if he even plays, and the chemistry on that team would be awful.

doubt it.  The guy doesn't play basketball that way
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on June 19, 2018, 11:12:41 PM
Scary thought

Sacramento Kings smoke something special and trade #2 and a few young players for Leonard =T

And then Kawhi Leonard bolts for the Lakers. What a scary thought indeed.

In the meantime our 2019 pick tanks

I was listening to the Lowe Post and one of the draft express guys was on there and he reckons 2019 draft is looking pretty terrible anyway.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 19, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
ESPN reporting with @ramonashelburne: San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich is traveling to Southern California with the intention of meeting with franchise star Kawhi Leonard prior to Thursday’s NBA Draft. Story soon on site.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 19, 2018, 11:26:31 PM
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Sounds like spurs want some clarity by the draft
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 19, 2018, 11:43:54 PM
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.

Like, omg! ::) Are they meeting for lunch/dinner and which restaurant will they choose? If just the right special isn't available that day, will Kawhi simply get up and leave, and who pays for everything? Will they arrive in separate cars and/or enter together? Will Pop want to reserve a private dining room at the Olive Garden but Leonard prefers Longhorn Steakhouse, and will everything ultimately be sabotaged by Kawhi's uncle wanting to go to Chuck E. Cheese, followed by Kawhi taking Pop on a shopping spree at DSW because shoes?

SO. MANY. QUESTIONS ::) ;D.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 19, 2018, 11:48:43 PM
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.

Like, omg! ::) Are they meeting for lunch/dinner and which restaurant will they choose? If just the right special isn't available that day, will Kawhi simply get up and leave, and who pays for everything? Will they arrive in separate cars and/or enter together? Will Pop want to reserve a private dining room at the Olive Garden but Leonard prefers Longhorn Steakhouse, and will everything ultimately be sabotaged by Kawhi's uncle wanting to go to Chuck E. Cheese, followed by Kawhi taking Pop on a shopping spree at DSW because shoes?

SO. MANY. QUESTIONS ::) ;D.
Can see Kawhi after the meeting, looking skyward, rubbing his beard thinking:

I would rather have gone to Chipotle
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 19, 2018, 11:57:11 PM
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:

Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 19, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.

San Diego. That's all we need to know. A major California city closest to Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 12:03:16 AM
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:

Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

Where did you get this source?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GetLucky on June 20, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:

Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

By then, Lakers probably won’t have any cap space, and the Clippers will probably suck/not have any cap space (pending LeBron/PG and Jordan/Williams).

I’m not convinced the Spurs feel any pressure here. Pop has a silver tongue, and both Parker and Ginobili are probably gone this offseason (Parker to FA and Ginobili to retirement if Pop requests it to make amends with Kawhi). Kawhi won’t be able to sit out of the first half of the season, and winning cures a lot. And, as I said, it is not super likely the Lakers or Clippers will have cap space.

EDIT: for what it’s worth, Shams has a much different characterization of the meeting:

Quote
The meeting between the two faces of the Spurs’ franchise was done professionally and confidentially, league sources said.

Quote
The Spurs’ front office and Leonard’s representatives had been in communication since the season ended, and Leonard has been in contact with coach Gregg Popovich, league sources said. Leonard spent most of the second half of the season rehabbing his injury in New York, where his medical team was based and where he trained with Spurs staffers. He has returned close to full health from the lingering quad injury.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-disgruntled-spurs-star-kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-met-tuesday-san-diego-033855625.html

Woj and Ramona are writing with a lot of speculation and “sources” who aren’t connected to the Spurs at all. This could very well be some more ESPN sensationalism.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 20, 2018, 12:05:53 AM
No thanks. Time to move on. Per Wojo:

Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers over the Clippers, league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio, and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

Where did you get this source?

ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 20, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
as Others have mentioned, he is now 100% going to LA by 2019, and will be a rental if he's on another team.

[Wojnarowski/Shelburne] "(Leonard) will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intentions are to sign in Los Angeles -- preferably with the Lakers -- when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said."
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 12:15:57 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 20, 2018, 12:20:17 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
there is no best offer. Kawhi has certified he will go nowhere except the lakers or clips. No other team will separate from themselves anything of value for a rental

You think woj completely fabricated this! Wow. What a conspiracy theory. Why would he ruin his name and rep? He doesn’t care about La
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 20, 2018, 12:25:30 AM
Spurs' Kawhi Leonard and Gregg Popovich met on Tuesday in San Diego, league sources tell Yahoo.

Like, omg! ::) Are they meeting for lunch/dinner and which restaurant will they choose? If just the right special isn't available that day, will Kawhi simply get up and leave, and who pays for everything? Will they arrive in separate cars and/or enter together? Will Pop want to reserve a private dining room at the Olive Garden but Leonard prefers Longhorn Steakhouse, and will everything ultimately be sabotaged by Kawhi's uncle wanting to go to Chuck E. Cheese, followed by Kawhi taking Pop on a shopping spree at DSW because shoes?

SO. MANY. QUESTIONS ::) ;D.
Can see Kawhi after the meeting, looking skyward, rubbing his beard thinking:

I would rather have gone to Chipotle

Lol, TP ;D. Perhaps they should have opted to split the difference and gone with Pizza Planet, instead ;) ;D -

(http://i.imgur.com/kMww4av.gif)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PAOBoston on June 20, 2018, 12:29:32 AM
So he plans on signing as an FA in LA in 2019? So not getting traded this year? If I'm SA, I keep him and go all in. Not sure LAL or LAC will have cap room/be attractive at that point. Also, SA still can offer him super max.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 20, 2018, 12:31:36 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.

So what you're saying is that Woj's Twitter, of late, has made for at least a bit of a...sham ;) ::) ;D *groan*?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAwd4r0Syzc/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 12:34:24 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.

So what you're saying is that Woj's Twitter, of late, has made for at least a bit of a...sham ;) ::) ;D *groan*?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAwd4r0Syzc/maxresdefault.jpg)

BOO GET OFF THE STAGE!

 :police:

TP for your terrible joke.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Beat LA on June 20, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.

So what you're saying is that Woj's Twitter, of late, has made for at least a bit of a...sham ;) ::) ;D *groan*?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pAwd4r0Syzc/maxresdefault.jpg)

BOO GET OFF THE STAGE!

 :police:

TP for your terrible joke.

Lol, TP ;D. Thanks, man. I do what I can, I guess ;D.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on June 20, 2018, 12:40:06 AM
Sent him to clippers so that their pick conveys next year
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 20, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
I'm out of the loop with all the rumors, but do the LAL need to sequence their moves for any cap reason? Example, would they need to trade for Kawhi first in order to then add 2 max contracts? 

Like Monk above, I'm wondering how much leverage SAS does have in the situation.  It's hard to imagine SAS trading Kawhi to the next great dynasty.  It's also hard to imagine Kawhi accepting a trade to Phoenix, or SAS wanting Smart/Rozier when they have their future PG in Murray.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 12:41:05 AM
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.

Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 20, 2018, 12:46:00 AM
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.

Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.

He a "mama boy" or can't think for himself. That quiet smug says it all. And the rest of the premier league players are waiting for his decision.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 20, 2018, 02:22:35 AM
I'm seriously not trusting Woj on this anymore.

I was following his tweets and it's up and down. A hour ago, he mentioned that the meeting had begun, but Shams reported it ended with a good conversation. 30 minutes later, woj updates a few minutes later that the meeting had already ended a hour ago.

He's been conflicting in most of his tweets. So my assumption is that either Kawhi's camp is talking to woj, or something fishy is going on.

Either way, Pop can stand pat regardless. He can wait for the best offer. If LeBron goes to the Lakers, it would really be almost impossible to bring in Kawhi, unless the Spurs agree to take on Deng's contract, or LeBron doesn't take the max at all.
there is no best offer. Kawhi has certified he will go nowhere except the lakers or clips. No other team will separate from themselves anything of value for a rental

You think woj completely fabricated this!
Wow. What a conspiracy theory. Why would he ruin his name and rep? He doesn’t care about La

I think he's definitely twisting it. He's absolutely not the same level of independence he was before joining espn. It's probably true Kawhi wants LA as most sources are agreeing. I think it's sensationalist to say he won't end up anywhere else because there are many situations where its impossible for him to end up in LA.
Plenty of teams will take a chance on Kawhi, particularly the bigger franchises with an established star already where Kawhi doesn't need to be the main man.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 20, 2018, 02:26:24 AM
It’s such a weird situation the more I think about it.

The guy doesn’t want the lead dog limelight, but he only wants LA or NY? I don’t think he realizes how comfortable a situation he was in and how much credit goes to the organization for his success. Will he be able to handle the big market media of LA or NY? Can he handle the pressure that comes with the expectations?

If I was San Antonio, I wouldn’t succumb to his demands so quickly. Wait it out, let free agency play out and like Cleveland did with Kyrie, then find the best package.

If LeBron and PG13 or CP3 go to LAL, there goes his big threat of signing there next season. Then it’s LAC (who will always be second-fiddle) or the Knicks, only if neither team makes moves before then.

I wouldn’t be in such a rush unless they want to get high up into this draft.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 20, 2018, 02:29:25 AM
It’s such a weird situation the more I think about it.

The guy doesn’t want the lead dog limelight, but he only wants LA or NY? I don’t think he realizes how comfortable a situation he was in and how much credit goes to the organization for his success. Will he be able to handle the big market media of LA or NY? Can he handle the pressure that comes with the expectations?

If I was San Antonio, I wouldn’t succumb to his demands so quickly. Wait it out, let free agency play out and like Cleveland did with Kyrie, then find the best package.

If LeBron and PG13 or CP3 go to LAL, there goes his big threat of signing there next season. Then it’s LAC (who will always be second-fiddle) or the Knicks, only if neither team makes moves before then.

I wouldn’t be in such a rush unless they want to get high up into this draft.
1. He doesn't want NY. WOJ has not said NY
2. He is originally from lA, hence why he wants to go there

Its not hard
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 20, 2018, 03:09:44 AM
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.

Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?

Kawhi is done with san antonio. Leonard is angry over how the Spurs handled his quad rehab and is irate with public comments made by Tony Parker.  He's going back home to LA. what mistake are you referring to, and why would kawhi care about his trade value? He's getting a max no matter what he's traded for. If anything he probably prefers the Lakers to remain stronger and retain assets
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 20, 2018, 03:10:50 AM
You know Woj isn't the only guy reporting on this right? And he's not the most reliable anymore.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 20, 2018, 03:12:29 AM
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.

Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?

Kawhi is done with san antonio. Leonard is angry over how the Spurs handled his quad rehab and is irate with public comments made by Tony Parker.  He's going back home to LA. what mistake are you referring to, and why would kawhi care about his trade value? He's getting a max no matter what he's traded for. If anything he probably prefers the Lakers to remain stronger and retain assets
Good luck getting the max in LA when there's no cap room. A little thing called economics gets in the way of that... If he cares about going to LA then he absolutely should care about trade value
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on June 20, 2018, 03:50:45 AM
You know Woj isn't the only guy reporting on this right? And he's not the most reliable anymore.
Yeah, he's been all over the place recently
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on June 20, 2018, 08:04:54 AM
My guess is that the Lakers is plan A for Kawhi but it doesn't seem like San Antonio would trade him there.  Maybe Kawhi and Kyrie have secret plan to join up in New York?

I think the odds of Kawhi coming to Boston are very low.  It just makes no sense.  We already have 3 all star or emerging all star level players that play his position (Brown, Tatum, Hayward).  Kawhi of old is better than any of them but it is not worth it for one season and who knows if his injury acts up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 20, 2018, 08:06:17 AM
I bet LeBron is peeved that he is not center stage given all the Kawhi Drama, you know that is killing him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 20, 2018, 08:31:16 AM
You know Woj isn't the only guy reporting on this right? And he's not the most reliable anymore.

Yup. Haynes and Woj now neck to neck
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 20, 2018, 09:08:14 AM
I heard a report yesterday that Paul George is in talks about signing an extension with OKC. Assuming George stays in OKC, and LeBron goes somewhere other than the Lakers, then does that change things for Kawhi? Will the Lakers be willing to trade some of their young players (Ball, Ingram, an or Kuzma) if Kawhi is the only elite player on the team?

BTW, can someone please tell me who was the last premier free agent to sign with the Lakers? I believe it was Shaq back in 1996, which may have been a sign and trade. There is a lot of speculation that the Lakers are getting LeBron, PG and Kawhi, but I just don't see any of those guys going there. And having Lavar Ball around definitely won't help matters.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 09:08:39 AM
Sad to see what Woj has become on ESPN. Mostly focused on drama, generating clicks and buzz while other reporters like Haynes and Shams are starting to school him more often.

But also a bit predictable since it is ESPN he's on now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 20, 2018, 09:28:38 AM
If Kawhi doesn't want the pressure of being the top dog he shouldn't be so concerned about his lack of a big shoe deal. It's not SA's fault no one knows what he even sounds like.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 20, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
Before I go to sleep, my thoughts are conflicted. There are two sides to the story but.. ultimately Kawhi shouldn't be letting his camp do all the talking.. it sounds strange but this is sort of the same scenario where you made a mistake, with your parents but you're an adult, and they cant punish or beat you. So you simply avoid talking to them.

Kawhi should be upfront or at least stop destroying his trade value so the Spurs can at least get something on return. It's sad how he's doing this to Pop. I'm confused but I just want to know where he heads. Kawhi could be the first domino, then PG, then LeBron, and DMC.
2 sides to what story? Who made a mistake?

Kawhi is done with san antonio. Leonard is angry over how the Spurs handled his quad rehab and is irate with public comments made by Tony Parker.  He's going back home to LA. what mistake are you referring to, and why would kawhi care about his trade value? He's getting a max no matter what he's traded for. If anything he probably prefers the Lakers to remain stronger and retain assets

Ummm... Maybe because he isn't SAYING anything? This is literally his entire camp twisting the story around... We don't know the full details. Sure Spurs messed up his rehab, but you don't perennially shut out the team you've been with for so long over nothing.. As for trade value? Well it would at least right the ship, and burn less bridges.. I mean if he has to leave, at least give the Spurs the chance to get a good package for him, and the fact that his camp is pushing LA only decreases it..... I thought it was being clear that Kawhi is acting immature, and not being upfront. Kyrie Irving at least told the Cavs that he wanted to be in a different situation, and they looked for the best possible trades.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 20, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
So he plans on signing as an FA in LA in 2019? So not getting traded this year? If I'm SA, I keep him and go all in. Not sure LAL or LAC will have cap room/be attractive at that point. Also, SA still can offer him super max.

Assuming everything that we read in the news is true, I agree 100%. You will get nothing of value for him, except in LA. Keep him at home, try to repair the relationship and offer the super-max. True, you could end up losing him for nothing, but how much more are you going to get if he's telling teams that he won't sign with them?

Having said all that: Anyone close enough to KL to have accurate information to leak has an agenda of one sort or another. It's not that I don't trust Woj, or Haynes, or anyone else. I simply believe that they are serving as somebody's (and probably a few somebodies) voice. I'll believe it when I see the trade or signing.

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 20, 2018, 09:35:24 AM
He still probably ends up in LA.

That said, he really doesn't want to be in San Antonio anymore. He might look for any way out, and be willing to do anything to get out.

That's where his friendship and his agent's relationship with Irving could matter.

But he still probably ends up in LA. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 02:18:28 PM
According to multiple reports, Jerry West is being really aggressive in negotiations for Kawhi to come to the Clippers.

You know what would be funny though? Similar to the Carmelo Anthony rumors 2 years ago, what if they have some deal in place with Kawhi and another player coming back, but it doesn't happen because again Doc doesn't want to trade his son   :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 20, 2018, 02:39:09 PM
Just keep Jaylen....21 years old, getting better everyday....Way cheaper salary too.

NOT coming off a year long injury either.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 20, 2018, 02:42:27 PM
Let him go to the Clippers and rot for a year.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: apc on June 20, 2018, 02:45:13 PM
What teams other then the Lakers players try to force their way to?
(Kawhi Lonzo Kobe ...)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 20, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
Feels like it's going to be Jerry West vs. Magic Johnson for Kawhi Leonard

Unless of course Kawhi actually ends up staying and all sides make up despite what ESPN has consistently been reporting (which would make me laugh super hard)  :laugh:

I hope Jerry wins that battle.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Timdawgg on June 20, 2018, 07:00:25 PM
Good luck...

https://cavaliersnation.com/2018/06/20/report-cavs-offering-kevin-love-and-no-8-pick-for-kawhi-leonard/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 20, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Nobody wants love
Title: Re: Here we go..Leonard wants out of SA...
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 20, 2018, 07:48:48 PM
Is there any confirmation that Leonard wants to play for the Lakers?

Stephen A. swears by his sources that Leonard ONLY wants to play in LA.
(I realize you take Stephen A. with a grain of salt)

My feeling is ....... leave Leonard the hell alone. If he is, in fact, determined to play in LA, let him have at it. We already have a Finals team if healthy and Warriors are starting to get bored and unmotivated. Plus we have another Christmas Morning type draft night in 2019 to extend this team's dominance into the next decade.

Please Danny - Stay Patient !!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
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Within the last week the Lakers contacted the Spurs to discuss a Kawhi Leonard trade. As one source put it, “they basically shut the door on us.”
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 21, 2018, 03:55:06 PM
I don't even get why someone wants to play for the Lakers. Like dude they suck lol. Ingram/Ball/Kuzma are the best players they have on their team... Let that sink in. That's not even including Josh Hart, (who I swear Lakers fans think he's the next PG-13,) and Randle who is a great bruiser, but still can't shoot, and his defense is still sub-par.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
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i said all along that the Lakers will be the last team the Spurs will do business with
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 21, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
I do not think they move him...if they do the asking price is going to be ridiculous
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
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i said all along that the Lakers will be the last team the Spurs will do business with
we will see when kawhi sits out another season until the spurs move him to LA

No other team will offer more than a late 1st for a kawhi rental
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 23, 2018, 05:48:07 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782624-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-prefer-to-send-star-to-eastern-conference

Interesting report that the Spurs won't trade Kawhi out West.

Ultimately, I expect them to keep him and try to work it out with him, but it also does worry me, as that makes a place like Philly a prime target for San Antonio. I don't think either Cleveland or New York has enough to get him, but they also become targets, too.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 23, 2018, 06:47:01 PM
I don't even get why someone wants to play for the Lakers. Like dude they suck lol. Ingram/Ball/Kuzma are the best players they have on their team... Let that sink in. That's not even including Josh Hart, (who I swear Lakers fans think he's the next PG-13,) and Randle who is a great bruiser, but still can't shoot, and his defense is still sub-par.

I think it's more about the surrounding culture of playing for the Lakers. 16 championships, Kobe Bryant, the city, Hollywood, warm-weather, beaches, food, party/clubbing life etc etc is what attracts these players and stars.  ::)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 23, 2018, 08:15:08 PM
I don't even get why someone wants to play for the Lakers. Like dude they suck lol. Ingram/Ball/Kuzma are the best players they have on their team... Let that sink in. That's not even including Josh Hart, (who I swear Lakers fans think he's the next PG-13,) and Randle who is a great bruiser, but still can't shoot, and his defense is still sub-par.

I think it's more about the surrounding culture of playing for the Lakers. 16 championships, Kobe Bryant, the city, Hollywood, warm-weather, beaches, food, party/clubbing life etc etc is what attracts these players and stars.  ::)
LA is home seems to be a big reason this time.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 23, 2018, 10:41:54 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782624-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-prefer-to-send-star-to-eastern-conference

Interesting report that the Spurs won't trade Kawhi out West.

Ultimately, I expect them to keep him and try to work it out with him, but it also does worry me, as that makes a place like Philly a prime target for San Antonio. I don't think either Cleveland or New York has enough to get him, but they also become targets, too.

I kind of get the feeling now that he actually stays in San Antonio and they work it out. That said, Kawhi's seriously got to man up and stand up to his uncle, who I'm pretty sure is the one fueling the fire out of "Kawhi's camp".  ::)

New York could flip Ntilikina (who Pop loves), Knox, a player like Hardaway and some future pick and that could get it done. I think Kawhi would be willing to play in NYK long term according to Begley. So Clippers, Lakers and Knicks could take the risk knowing he'd re-sign long term.

The other thing though, I'm not sure Philly is willing to take the risk of making a trade for Kawhi and seeing him bolt a year later (like the Celtics are thinking). Give up Fultz + Smith + 2021 Heat Pick + Saric for a rental not guaranteed to re-up long term? Yikes. Same thing with us if we gave up Jaylen + Grizz/Kings Pick in a package for a rental. YIKES.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 23, 2018, 11:34:18 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782624-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-spurs-prefer-to-send-star-to-eastern-conference

Interesting report that the Spurs won't trade Kawhi out West.

Ultimately, I expect them to keep him and try to work it out with him, but it also does worry me, as that makes a place like Philly a prime target for San Antonio. I don't think either Cleveland or New York has enough to get him, but they also become targets, too.

I kind of get the feeling now that he actually stays in San Antonio and they work it out. That said, Kawhi's seriously got to man up and stand up to his uncle, who I'm pretty sure is the one fueling the fire out of "Kawhi's camp".  ::)

New York could flip Ntilikina (who Pop loves), Knox, a player like Hardaway and some future pick and that could get it done. I think Kawhi would be willing to play in NYK long term according to Begley. So Clippers, Lakers and Knicks could take the risk knowing he'd re-sign long term.

The other thing though, I'm not sure Philly is willing to take the risk of making a trade for Kawhi and seeing him bolt a year later (like the Celtics are thinking). Give up Fultz + Smith + 2021 Heat Pick + Saric for a rental not guaranteed to re-up long term? Yikes. Same thing with us if we gave up Jaylen + Grizz/Kings Pick in a package for a rental. YIKES.
As the Sixers, I definitely wouldn't give up all that for Kawhi without a strong indication that he'd re-sign.  Even if he gave it, I'm not sure I'd trust his word at this point.  There is also his health uncertainty. 

The Sixers are in a great situation.  If they can't get a star this offseason, they can try again next offseason as long as they don't waste their cap space and tradable assets.  Heck if Kawhi and the Spurs don't agree on the designated veteran extension, the Sixers can go after him as a free agent next offseason. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 24, 2018, 08:42:29 AM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 24, 2018, 09:42:35 AM
Am starting to think Philly will make the best offer for Leonard. I think Brown won’t be on the table, nor the Sacramento pick.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 24, 2018, 09:47:35 AM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.

They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 24, 2018, 09:57:59 AM
If Brown makes a trade for Kawhi that only costs them Fultz, some of their Thursday night draftees, and picks, he’ll have earned himself the permanent GM job.  That’s normally not a good strategy, but it could work here since his primary GM job going forward would be to make sure that his stars, beginning with Kawhi, want to stay, and that’s a role more easily performed as a coach.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 24, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.
Really like Coach Brown.  He's a good face for their franchise.  Comes across as honest and straightforward and open.  I'd think they'd wait until free agency to discuss the possibilities with Lebron before making a move on Kawhi or anyone else.   

The 2021 draft is when the one and done rule may be gone so that draft could have a bunch more talent in it.  So an unprotected 2021 pick is a very good asset to have whether you trade it or end up using it. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 24, 2018, 10:21:52 AM
The Sixers do have one big advantage in regards to Kawhi.  The doctor that Kawhi is using for this injury also heads up the Sixers medical department.  So they should have the best info on Kawhi's medical situation and Kawhi should be comfortable with the medical care he'd get with the Sixers. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 24, 2018, 10:35:24 AM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.

They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
Getting Lebron may actually be a negative for Kawhi assuming that he's looking to get a bit more media attention and a big shoe deal.  Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be billed as a big 3.  If they get Lebron, most of the media attention would be on Lebron. 

Although trading for Kawhi would cost them significant assets, it would help them because he's only making 20M rather than the 30M (George) or 35M (Lebron, Paul) that top free agents would cost.  That savings should allow them to retain Redick.  If they get a Max free agent, they probably can't offer Redick more than the room exception (~5M). 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 24, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.

They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.
Getting Lebron may actually be a negative for Kawhi assuming that he's looking to get a bit more media attention and a big shoe deal.  Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be billed as a big 3.  If they get Lebron, most of the media attention would be on Lebron. 

Although trading for Kawhi would cost them significant assets, it would help them because he's only making 20M rather than the 30M (George) or 35M (Lebron, Paul) that top free agents would cost.  That savings should allow them to retain Redick.  If they get a Max free agent, they probably can't offer Redick more than the room exception (~5M).

Agree, Tazz. And the  moves they made on draft night (picking up that Miami pick in trade of picks with AZ) suggest that is what they are planning to do: Go after KL.  Always thought Lebron was a bad fit there, despite his recent leaks to press that he wants to become more of an off ball player. Yeah right.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 24, 2018, 12:50:42 PM
What if Philly trades for Kawhi with the thought it can bring LeBron with him through FA? That’s the only scary thought I have in this.

Btw listening to Brett Brown on the radio the other day he basically admitted the only reason they traded Mikal Bridges was for that Heat pick to potentially use in a trade for a star player.

They don’t need Lebron. Kawhi enough to make them dangerous.

Not dangerous enough to beat a healthy C’s team in my eyes.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on June 24, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
The Sixers do have one big advantage in regards to Kawhi.  The doctor that Kawhi is using for this injury also heads up the Sixers medical department.  So they should have the best info on Kawhi's medical situation and Kawhi should be comfortable with the medical care he'd get with the Sixers.

I think the Sixers picked that Heat pick directly for a Kawhi trade.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on June 24, 2018, 01:01:47 PM
Nothing like seeing people constantly slobber all over a team you just knocked out of the playoffs in 5 games
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sketch5 on June 24, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
Nothing like seeing people constantly slobber all over a team you just knocked out of the playoffs in 5 games

Yeah its funny people reacting to Philly possibly getting Leonard and freaking out. But we're getting Irving and Hayward, and who knows what Williams might be able to provide on the defensive end against Embiid.  Williams not being ready this season is worst case right now. LOL
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nebist on June 24, 2018, 10:26:36 PM
Now that the draft has passed and nobody made a top 5 pick available for Kawhi, I’m wondering what the eventual compensation will look like for him. The last couple of stars to move (George, Cousins) did not get as big a return as people originally thought they would. And while Kawhi is a better player, he is certainly not without injury and character question issues.

So while I didn’t think it would be possible before the draft, I now wonder if the Spurs will fetch a better package than this one from the Celtics:
Rozier
Morris
Williams
Smart (signed between 10-12 mil)
SAC Pick
LAC or BOS Pick

Do you all think the Spurs will end up with a better or worse package than that in the end?

And how does that package compare to the following.
LAL: Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/1 first
LAC: Harris/Beverly/2 firsts
PHI: Fultz/Covington/Saric/1 first
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 24, 2018, 11:35:36 PM
Now that the draft has passed and nobody made a top 5 pick available for Kawhi, I’m wondering what the eventual compensation will look like for him. The last couple of stars to move (George, Cousins) did not get as big a return as people originally thought they would. And while Kawhi is a better player, he is certainly not without injury and character question issues.

So while I didn’t think it would be possible before the draft, I now wonder if the Spurs will fetch a better package than this one from the Celtics:
Rozier
Morris
Williams
Smart (signed between 10-12 mil)
SAC Pick
LAC or BOS Pick

Do you all think the Spurs will end up with a better or worse package than that in the end?

And how does that package compare to the following.
LAL: Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/1 first
LAC: Harris/Beverly/2 firsts
PHI: Fultz/Covington/Saric/1 first

I don't care if we could trade Larkin for Leonard straight up  - I want no part of this guy. We already got one shaky character and I don't want another.

Danny, Please Keep Away and stay with the team you worked so hard to build - We could destroy all this progress with one bad move.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 24, 2018, 11:43:50 PM
ESPN story in which Bruce Bowen comments on how Kawhi Leonard has conducted himself poorly this season:

"As a player, if I'm a leader of a team, my team goes on the road in the playoffs, I'm with my guys," Bowen said in reference to Leonard's absence. "Because that's what it's all about. It's about camaraderie. It's about fellowship. It's a brotherhood. When that didn't happen, it's all kinds of sirens and alarm signals that says to me, 'Is this person fully vested?' ... I don't want to take on a player who's not willing to support his guys during the course of their time needing him."
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 25, 2018, 12:33:32 AM
ESPN story in which Bruce Bowen comments on how Kawhi Leonard has conducted himself poorly this season:

"As a player, if I'm a leader of a team, my team goes on the road in the playoffs, I'm with my guys," Bowen said in reference to Leonard's absence. "Because that's what it's all about. It's about camaraderie. It's about fellowship. It's a brotherhood. When that didn't happen, it's all kinds of sirens and alarm signals that says to me, 'Is this person fully vested?' ... I don't want to take on a player who's not willing to support his guys during the course of their time needing him."

I think he knew long before their meeting that he never wanted to play for the Spurs again.

It’s not that different than Kyrie last year not talking to teammates for days then threatening surgery to miss entire season.

Maybe a change of scenery will do him good.

Just wonder how he can go to LAL if they land LeBron this summer with another star. Will they only be able to do a sign and trade? Or will he look to go to the Clippers? Will they have the space?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on June 25, 2018, 12:46:48 AM
You are correct - Not all that different from Irving.

All reports are that he is in love with the Lakers and if they don't want to wait on him, they will have to pay. I'm sure the Celts could outbid them, but I don't want to give up all those players that have been contributors to our success this season. Plus, it appears Leonard would have no problem playing somewhere this season and then bolting for LA next summer. We would be left with no Kawhi and 4-5 important players that we have now.

Hope Danny sits on his hands a bit and keeps some players around for more than a couple of seasons. We are building a title team that will be competitive for a decade - so let them develop and build some loyalty and chemistry in the process.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on June 26, 2018, 04:24:26 PM
Pau Gasol on Kawhi Leonard’s Spurs relationship; “I do not know if a multimillion-dollar offer would fix it”.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 26, 2018, 04:53:05 PM
Not a lot of options for the Spurs

Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on June 26, 2018, 04:59:38 PM
Not a lot of options for the Spurs

Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
If the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right?  They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in.  You only need one dancing partner.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 26, 2018, 05:19:59 PM
Not a lot of options for the Spurs

Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
If the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right?  They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in.  You only need one dancing partner.

They could try but I don’t see Boston or Philly making a deal without a commitment from Leonard. Boston is not moving brown on speculation.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: bdm860 on June 26, 2018, 05:39:54 PM
Not a lot of options for the Spurs

Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
If the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right?  They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in.  You only need one dancing partner.

They could try but I don’t see Boston or Philly making a deal without a commitment from Leonard. Boston is not moving brown on speculation.

I could see Philly making a deal.  Someone more plugged in might see it differently, but the way I see it they have 4 targets spread over the next 2 years (after that they won't have cap room):

2018
sign LeBron
sign Paul George
trade for Kawhi

2019
sign LeBron (if he opts in in '18)
sign Kawhi
sign Klay Thompson

So if LeBron and George are off the table having signed deals, suddenly the only options are Kawhi and Klay, and personally I wouldn't bet against Klay leaving GS (legal weed too).

So now you're down to Kawhi.  Do the Lakers still have cap room or did they spend it all?  Kawhi will turn down a supermax for LA, but will he turn down a supermax for Philly?

I could see Philly making a move to trade for Kawhi if/when other options dry up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 26, 2018, 05:49:18 PM
If Ainge passes on Kawhi (which I think he will) Philly will trade for him. SA not wanting to trade him in conference has narrowed it down.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 26, 2018, 06:26:32 PM
If Ainge passes on Kawhi (which I think he will) Philly will trade for him. SA not wanting to trade him in conference has narrowed it down.

Ultimately I think that’s just a negotiating ploy, not wanting to trade within the conference.  If a Western team offers the most, the Spurs will accept it.

But the Kawhi saga won’t end until after LeBron and PG13 make their decisions.  Before then, potential trade partners will want to see if they can sign one of those two in free agency.  Also, if the Lakers wind up with both, it almost certainly means they won’t be able to sign Kawhi next summer.  This means he’s less likely to leave whatever team does trade for him, increasing his trade value.

I think the Wizards should put their best foot forward and offer Porter and multiple unprotected 1st rounders — 3 to be precise.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: td450 on June 26, 2018, 08:22:00 PM
If Ainge passes on Kawhi (which I think he will) Philly will trade for him. SA not wanting to trade him in conference has narrowed it down.

Ultimately I think that’s just a negotiating ploy, not wanting to trade within the conference.  If a Western team offers the most, the Spurs will accept it.

But the Kawhi saga won’t end until after LeBron and PG13 make their decisions.  Before then, potential trade partners will want to see if they can sign one of those two in free agency.  Also, if the Lakers wind up with both, it almost certainly means they won’t be able to sign Kawhi next summer.  This means he’s less likely to leave whatever team does trade for him, increasing his trade value.

I think the Wizards should put their best foot forward and offer Porter and multiple unprotected 1st rounders — 3 to be precise.
This is not a normal situation. Its interesting to think about various places around the league that Kawhi might go, but he's already signaled what he wants, and he's already left the bridge back to San Antonio torched to a crisp.

There was zero disagreement about anything there other than wanting him to assume the mantle of team superstar. The fact that such a role came with some actual responsibilities apparently was too much for him to bear. Boston fans would not be amused.

I would be very surprised if he just stayed quiet and let San Antonio get whatever deal they could for him. He very clearly wants to be on the Lakers. He can make it known he won't stay, and he can do worse: claim he's still injured. After what he's done already, I'd be shocked if he didn't follow through and apply negative pressure to any non-LA deal.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 26, 2018, 09:14:28 PM
Not a lot of options for the Spurs

Going to be hard to move him anywhere but the Lakers because he won’t commit to that team.
If the Spurs play hard-ball, it doesn't matter, right?  They could trade him to the Eastern Conference without getting his buy-in.  You only need one dancing partner.

They could try but I don’t see Boston or Philly making a deal without a commitment from Leonard. Boston is not moving brown on speculation.

I could see Philly making a deal.  Someone more plugged in might see it differently, but the way I see it they have 4 targets spread over the next 2 years (after that they won't have cap room):

2018
sign LeBron
sign Paul George
trade for Kawhi

2019
sign LeBron (if he opts in in '18)
sign Kawhi
sign Klay Thompson

So if LeBron and George are off the table having signed deals, suddenly the only options are Kawhi and Klay, and personally I wouldn't bet against Klay leaving GS (legal weed too).

So now you're down to Kawhi.  Do the Lakers still have cap room or did they spend it all?  Kawhi will turn down a supermax for LA, but will he turn down a supermax for Philly?

I could see Philly making a move to trade for Kawhi if/when other options dry up.
George and Lebron are likely to sign 1+1 deals.  I'd put Jimmy Butler on the Sixers 2019 list too. 
Title: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 01:16:02 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23924558/pressure-mounting-los-angeles-lakers-acquire-kawhi-leonard

Sorry guys, I'm at a hospital right now in the break room with my phone, so it's difficult for me to just copy and paste the entire article content on here. Link is above!

Basically, there's pressure on the Lakers to make a Kawhi trade, since it's likely Lebron makes a decision early next week (around July 3-4). Lebron likely isn't going to LAL IF they don't have an established star. That makes some sense.

According to Woj though, the Lakers are hoping to make a separate trade to acquire an additional 1st round pick to use in a package for a Kawhi trade (also taking back a bad contract if needed), which would then leave 1 max slot open for a FA signing.

That part is interesting. So do the Lakers not think they can acquire all of Kawhi, Lebron and George? Just Kawhi + ONE of Lebron/George?  ???

Also, apparently the Sixers, Clippers, Cavaliers.... and Celtics have made offers and put them out there for the Spurs.

I'm surprised. I understand the process of due diligence and showing interest, but putting a legit offer out there?? The guy is a rental who will likely just bolt to LAL next year. We'd be the laughingstock of the league if we traded Brown and/or Rozier in a deal for Kawhi and then a year later he just signs with the Lakers for "free" (just $$$). We aren't on Kawhi's "list" either (while NYK, LAC and LAL are). Walk away Danny!!

Anyways, I hope the Spurs keep Kawhi past July 4th at least and in the process, screw the Lakers LOL. I mean, Clippers/Sixers/Knicks will still show great interest later on in the month and probably could offer good packages too. That said, I think even if George goes LAL, Lebron may not follow still. He might just stay put another year or go elsewhere.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: hpantazo on June 27, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s working
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Moranis on June 27, 2018, 01:29:59 PM
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s working
I don't think that is the case at all.  I firmly believe, Ainge wants Leonard and believes he can convince him to stay. 
Title: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: wedman8 on June 27, 2018, 01:30:19 PM
No terms have been leaked, so, what do you think has Danny offered to bring Leonard to Beantown?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/report-celtics-made-formal-offer-kawhi-leonard
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: hpantazo on June 27, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 27, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.

I really hope we aren’t offering that unless he is having a change of heart playing in LA
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: Moranis on June 27, 2018, 01:35:34 PM
why link a NBC article that is just based off an ESPN report?  and that ESPN report has already been discussed on this board.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 01:37:43 PM
Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s working

Could be true. As long as he doesn't go LAL or PHI, I'm fine.

Ainge is just driving up the price for the Lakers or Sixers. Since the Lakers are scrambling to get another first to include for Kawhi, it sounds like it’s working
I don't think that is the case at all.  I firmly believe, Ainge wants Leonard and believes he can convince him to stay. 

That's a huge, potentially franchise-altering gamble to make if Brown and/or Kings Pick is included

My guess, Ainge lowballed with Smart (S&T), Rozier, Morris, Nader ($$$) + Grizzlies Pick.

Doubt he's trading Jaylen or Kings Pick for a rental unless Kawhi and his camp have personally told him Kawhi will extend with Boston long term. The Grizzlies Pick though is also a big asset.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: sdceltsfan on June 27, 2018, 01:38:38 PM
Hopefully it’s Morris, Smart sign and trade, Theis, and a couple non SAC 1sts.

This guy isn’t worth sacrificing the level of tangible and future assets we have in the war chest.

If he is willing to re-sign with Boston then Brown, Rozier, Morris, Memphi pick is a good offer IMO
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: wedman8 on June 27, 2018, 01:39:00 PM
I've just seen the report on twitter and didn't know there was another thread discussing the stuff around here. Feel free to cancel this post if you feel like. I didn't want to bother anyone.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: GreenShooter on June 27, 2018, 01:39:26 PM
Thanks for the link but we already have a thread(s) about Kawhi. This is like the Malcolm Butler discussion on PatsFans. It turned into a 350+ page "mega-thread". It's what is needed here. Please merge.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: indeedproceed on June 27, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.

If you're the Spurs you take that and pray to the good lord above that Danny doesn't come to his sense.

If you're a Celtics fan you open up the 'Torches' box from storage and look for kerosene.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Cman on June 27, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
Didn't we already know Boston made an offer for Kawhi (or at least that Ainge inquired about him)? I think this article is just lumping a few things together.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: PaulAllen on June 27, 2018, 01:41:42 PM
Looks like a league formality .. Sixers made an offer as well

http://www.phillyvoice.com/nba-rumors-report-sixers-trade-offer-spurs-kawhi-leonard-nba-free-agency-lebron-james/
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 01:41:43 PM
He isn’t staying here. Leonard is a rental.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: rollie mass on June 27, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
So What-That was in FEB. our players got better-he has stayed injured-
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: PaulAllen on June 27, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
flood gates have opened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spurs
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 27, 2018, 01:45:54 PM
Who knows what the offer even is. Probably pretty low and if not Ainge has some clue as to the C’s resigning him.

If anything the next few weeks will be entertaining.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: bknova on June 27, 2018, 01:47:22 PM
No way DA offers Brown or Tatum without assurances of a long term commitment.
My gut says Rozier, Morris, Theis and picks, for now.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: saltlover on June 27, 2018, 01:48:51 PM
flood gates have opened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spurs

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Per Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.

This is not an argument against trading for Kawhi, but is is an argument for not doing so until AFTER the Lakers have signed both LeBron and PG13, as if those two sign for max at more than a year, there will not be max room for Kawhi next summer with the Lakers, even if they completely purge the rest of their roster.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Evantime34 on June 27, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Takeaways from the article

1. LeBron not sure about going to LA without George or Kawhi
2. George might re-sign with OKC
3. Spurs want to force LeBron to make a decision before they trade Kawhi, figuring if neither LeBron nor George go to LA, maybe Kawhi would end up re-signing in San Antonio
4. The Spurs have all the leverage if LeBron's decision hinges on the Lakers trading for Kawhi.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: Boris Badenov on June 27, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
We already have a championship contender. I hope this isn’t Danny’s Icarus moment.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: indeedproceed on June 27, 2018, 01:57:44 PM
So What-That was in FEB. our players got better-he has stayed injured-

Oh its from that report? Nothingburger.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: Chief Macho on June 27, 2018, 02:06:50 PM
I'm thinking the Spurs finally decide to send him to the Lakers when they get everything from them. All the picks and all the young guys they want.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 27, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
Is it possible that Danny received confirmation through back channels that Kawhi would be open to signing an extension? Couldn't Kyrie have talked to Kawhi? Obviously, members of the Celtics front office or ownership can't talk to a player under contract on a different team, but I don't recall that being the case for players. Aren't the fathers or uncles for Kyrie and Kawhi close friends? Maybe Kawhi is open to an extension with the Celtics, but is leaving the idea of signing with the Lakers to throw off the scent of any sort of collusion or back door channels? I know this idea is far fetched, but I like it better than Kawhi signing as a free agent on a bad Lakers team, which still makes no sense.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 02:20:14 PM
My guess is Jaylen, Rozier, Sixers pick and Memphis pick plus salary filler. If you’re the Spurs, you gotta consider that.

That would be an insanely stupid offer by Ainge.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Birdman on June 27, 2018, 02:20:50 PM
I say Philly, Cavs or Boston..i dont think they deal him to a West team...wouldnt be surprise see Kevin Love go to Spurs
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: hodgy03038 on June 27, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
I say Philly, Cavs or Boston..i dont think they deal him to a West team...wouldnt be surprise see Kevin Love go to Spurs

I don't know what Cleveland has to offer. Certainly Love is not exactly a big haul.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Jvalin on June 27, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
Only way I'd make a fair offer to the Spurs for Kawhi is if I knew for sure that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency.

Kyrie for Kawhi straight up. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.

Rozier starts at PG, Hayward comes off the bench.

No way I'd trade Brown for what may prove to be a 1-year rental of Kawhi.

Next step: we trade Morris (too many wings assuming we add Kawhi).

Let's say Morris for Beverley straight up. Possibly Beverley starts over Rozier.

We re-sign Smart.

We let Baynes walk (in order to avoid the tax). The same goes for Monroe (plus he is a bad fit).


Beverley - Smart - Wanamaker
Brown - Rozier
Kawhi - Hayward - Semi - Nader
Tatum -  Theis - Yabu
Horford - Williams - vet minimum - (Theis)


Having said all the above, I fully expect Kawhi to team up with LeBron and George in LA.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: byennie on June 27, 2018, 02:24:31 PM
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?

Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX

Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: footey on June 27, 2018, 02:29:36 PM
flood gates have opened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spurs

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Per Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.

This is not an argument against trading for Kawhi, but is is an argument for not doing so until AFTER the Lakers have signed both LeBron and PG13, as if those two sign for max at more than a year, there will not be max room for Kawhi next summer with the Lakers, even if they completely purge the rest of their roster.

Because they would not own his Bird rights?
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: slamtheking on June 27, 2018, 02:30:00 PM
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?

Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX

Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
so give up Brown for 2 lesser players and a first that will end up being nonlottery?  no thanks
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 27, 2018, 02:30:29 PM
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?

Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX

Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick

Seems like a step backwards for us.

No reason for us to get in on that. Brown is a way better fit for us than Ingram and Kuzma isn’t anything noteworthy. Unless that pick is a projected top-5 pick with no protections, definitely not worth it
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?

Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX

Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick
Ugh. Why on earth would we do that?
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: footey on June 27, 2018, 02:31:15 PM
I'm thinking the Spurs finally decide to send him to the Lakers when they get everything from them. All the picks and all the young guys they want.

I agree. The Lakers will be forced to out bid because they will be getting more in return, a player who wants to stay beyond one year.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 27, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
I'm not really interested, but logically what Danny does is try to extort LA for Jaylen Brown?

Ingram, Kuzma, LAL 1st to BOS
Brown, Morris, Hart, XXX 1st rounder to SA
Leonard to LAL
Ball to XXX

Lakers trade their big 3 young guys to Leonard.
Boston gets Ingram, Kuzma and a 1st for Brown.
San Antonio gets Jaylen Brown, Morris, Hart and a (lottery?) pick

I'm confused... Why wouldn't SA just take Ingram/Kuzma/Lakers 1st? Ball can get traded to the 76ers for Fultz, and Fultz/Kuzma/Ingram can be headed to the Spurs.

Murray
Fultz
Ingram
Kuzma

And why would we even do that lol.
Title: Re: ESPN: Pressure Building On LAL For Kawhi Trade (And Ugh, C's Made An Offer...)
Post by: Big333223 on June 27, 2018, 02:34:17 PM
Didn't we already know Boston made an offer for Kawhi (or at least that Ainge inquired about him)? I think this article is just lumping a few things together.

Yeah, the article is kind of weird it says:

"The Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers and LA Clippers are among teams who have made offers to the Spurs for Leonard, league sources said."

It gives no indication if these teams have made new or recent offers so this could easily just be repeating what has already been reported, that the Celtics made an offer at the deadline this past year.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
flood gates have opened

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783204-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-cavaliers-lakers-celtics-76ers-contacted-spurs

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Per Shelburne and Wojnarowski, Leonard intends to let any teams interested in acquiring him know that he plans to sign with the Lakers when he can become a free agent.

This is not an argument against trading for Kawhi, but is is an argument for not doing so until AFTER the Lakers have signed both LeBron and PG13, as if those two sign for max at more than a year, there will not be max room for Kawhi next summer with the Lakers, even if they completely purge the rest of their roster.

Because they would not own his Bird rights?

If the LAL signed those 2, they would be capped and wouldn't have room to sign a 3rd max contract, whereas now they could squeeze him in at the lower salary via trade, then have bird rights next year. However, if Kawhi's desire to go to LA is as reported, nothing says he has to sign a max deal or even a long term deal. He could always go the Durant route, and he's such an unusual guy, would that shock anyone?

I just don't see how any team other than LAL can trade much of value for Kawhi. Given what's transpired in the last year and his stated desire to go to LA, Ainge would be a fool to trust that he could keep KL and gamble with such a franchise altering decision.
Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
I'm thinking the Spurs finally decide to send him to the Lakers when they get everything from them. All the picks and all the young guys they want.

I agree. The Lakers will be forced to out bid because they will be getting more in return, a player who wants to stay beyond one year.
Not sure if they had info or just conjecture, but the guys on NBA radio were saying a few hours ago that they thought the whole dog and pony show with Kawhi right now is SAS trying to push LAL to give up both Ingram and Kuzma (but they don't want Ball).

They also said LAL was trying to swing another trade to get another #1 that they could throw in that pick to send to SAS. 

Title: Re: A formal offer has been made for Kawhi
Post by: Big333223 on June 27, 2018, 02:45:50 PM
why link a NBC article that is just based off an ESPN report?  and that ESPN report has already been discussed on this board.

This whole thing is weird. The NBC article says, "the Celtics are among a handful of teams that have already made formal offers to the Spurs for Leonard," but sites as its source an ESPN article which says this:

"The Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers and LA Clippers are among teams who have made offers to the Spurs for Leonard, league sources said."

The ESPN article doesn't give any information so this could very well just be sloppy journalism talking about the offer we already know the Celtics made at the deadline.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 27, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.

This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 03:47:59 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.

This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.

Philly is the last team I am worried about. I think he stays in Cleveland before he goes to Philly. Philly would have to still cut money to just fit in Lebron and they would have to gut their roster to get Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 27, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Hi stakes poker being played by NBA GMs right now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 27, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.

This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.

Philly is the last team I am worried about. I think he stays in Cleveland before he goes to Philly. Philly would have to still cut money to just fit in Lebron and they would have to gut their roster to get Leonard.

The only player Philly would lose that is worth anything is Saric and he would be redundant if they got both those stars. I don’t see LeBron going anywhere by myself so yeah he may just opt in to Cleveland for one more year. Whom ever gets Kawhi gets LeBron IMO. Once again he holds all the cards.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 27, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.

This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.

Philly is the last team I am worried about. I think he stays in Cleveland before he goes to Philly. Philly would have to still cut money to just fit in Lebron and they would have to gut their roster to get Leonard.

The only player Philly would lose that is worth anything is Saric and he would be redundant if they got both those stars. I don’t see LeBron going anywhere by myself so yeah he may just opt in to Cleveland for one more year. Whom ever gets Kawhi gets LeBron IMO. Once again he holds all the cards.

Saric, rob cov, and that stupid maimi pick is very convincing.

I personally do not want leanord here but if it meant just getting rid of say smart, Morris, and or Rozier.... ssssure. Literally anyone else is a no for me. Brown is a lowkey beast!

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on June 27, 2018, 04:09:57 PM
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.

I am personally not really surprised he is not interested in philly (and the odds of them getting him have steadily dropped on the markets since the season ended). Despite our resident phanatics here (or tazzanatics) they still have a lot to prove. I think they would be a lot more appealing next offseason if they can have a deeper postseason run than a gentleman's sweet in the second round and show something out of fultz.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on June 27, 2018, 04:10:46 PM
So now LeBrick's decision depends on Leonard. Sack up James. Be the first guy to commit to the Lakers and then go get the guys.

This is what I feared. Philly getting both is in play.

its not
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 04:12:38 PM
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.

I don't think he wants to go to Philly. Not just gambling on young players, but the city itself.

It's also been said that Lebron hates the city of Houston and would never go there, even for his best friend.

IMO, if he can't put something together in LA, he'll stay another year in CLE.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on June 27, 2018, 04:14:58 PM
Hi stakes poker being played by NBA GMs right now.

Ainge is very good at that game. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on June 27, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on June 27, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams
Kawhi needs the ball a lot more than Klay. Also the chemistry hit would be rough and Klay has so far shown every sign of wanting to sign his next contract with the Warriors, Kawhi has stated he wants to play for the Lakers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 27, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.

I am personally not really surprised he is not interested in philly (and the odds of them getting him have steadily dropped on the markets since the season ended). Despite our resident phanatics here (or tazzanatics) they still have a lot to prove. I think they would be a lot more appealing next offseason if they can have a deeper postseason run than a gentleman's sweet in the second round and show something out of fultz.

Off topic, but did LarBrd33's "contract" end? Where's he been?  :P
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 27, 2018, 05:33:04 PM
Honestly, in reference to the ESPN article thread I posted (now merged here), I'm actually shocked there isn't much buzz on PHI or HOU getting James. Those were like the "favorites" to land him yet we've only heard he doesn't like Houston and nothing about PHI lol.

I am personally not really surprised he is not interested in philly (and the odds of them getting him have steadily dropped on the markets since the season ended). Despite our resident phanatics here (or tazzanatics) they still have a lot to prove. I think they would be a lot more appealing next offseason if they can have a deeper postseason run than a gentleman's sweet in the second round and show something out of fultz.

Off topic, but did LarBrd33's "contract" end? Where's he been?  :P


must have finished  his troll and returned to his 76 ers brethren.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 06:00:08 PM
Whoa. I read this on Reddit but is it true that if the Spurs keep Kawhi and he doesn't report to the team for like the first 30 days the next season, they don't have to pay him? And if the Spurs convince the league that Kawhi is faking an injury to refuse to play, that he can even have his FA rights revoked?  :o

Remember, Kawhi's camp announced that he's healthy, so that argument would ultimately work in the Spurs favor. I think this was something that was also brought up last year involving Irving when he supposedly threatened the Cavaliers with "knee surgery" if they kept him.

If that's true, then the Spurs might actually have some leverage here. Also this would look really bad for Kawhi especially if he loses on $$$ and potentially FA rights as well. He'd also have missed like 1.5-2 years of playing time in the NBA.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 27, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

Disagree, I think GSW would jump on that trade if salaries worked.  Isn't Klay a FA as well after this coming season?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 27, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
Whoa. I read this on Reddit but is it true that if the Spurs keep Kawhi and he doesn't report to the team for like the first 30 days the next season, they don't have to pay him? And if the Spurs convince the league that Kawhi is faking an injury to refuse to play, that he can even have his FA rights revoked?  :o

Remember, Kawhi's camp announced that he's healthy, so that argument would ultimately work in the Spurs favor. I think this was something that was also brought up last year involving Irving when he supposedly threatened the Cavaliers with "knee surgery" if they kept him.

If that's true, then the Spurs might actually have some leverage here. Also this would look really bad for Kawhi especially if he loses on $$$ and potentially FA rights as well. He'd also have missed like 1.5-2 years of playing time in the NBA.

Seriously doubt the league would revoke his rights as FA; KL would just report to the team, but refuse to play in games.  To the point they'd tell him not to show up.  I doubt it will  come down to this anyhow; one side will blink before it does.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 27, 2018, 06:11:42 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

Disagree, I think GSW would jump on that trade if salaries worked.  Isn't Klay a FA as well after this coming season?

Yeah they both are... I just don't think you trade one of your Big 3 from an all-time great multiple championship team, for 1 year of a player with multiple question marks.

Shooting gets worse (Kawhi is good from outside, but he's no Klay), roster is less balanced at the guard spot, and you don't really know if Kawhi is healthy.

Roll back the clock 1-2 years and I think GS would have totally done it (but San Antonio wouldn't have).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 27, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

Disagree, I think GSW would jump on that trade if salaries worked.  Isn't Klay a FA as well after this coming season?

Yes, but he has suggested he doesn’t need a max contract next year to resign in Golden State, whereas a max still might not keep Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 06:21:55 PM
Whoa. I read this on Reddit but is it true that if the Spurs keep Kawhi and he doesn't report to the team for like the first 30 days the next season, they don't have to pay him? And if the Spurs convince the league that Kawhi is faking an injury to refuse to play, that he can even have his FA rights revoked?  :o

Remember, Kawhi's camp announced that he's healthy, so that argument would ultimately work in the Spurs favor. I think this was something that was also brought up last year involving Irving when he supposedly threatened the Cavaliers with "knee surgery" if they kept him.

If that's true, then the Spurs might actually have some leverage here. Also this would look really bad for Kawhi especially if he loses on $$$ and potentially FA rights as well. He'd also have missed like 1.5-2 years of playing time in the NBA.

Seriously doubt the league would revoke his rights as FA; KL would just report to the team, but refuse to play in games.  To the point they'd tell him not to show up.  I doubt it will  come down to this anyhow; one side will blink before it does.

We'll see. This whole thing makes Kawhi look really bad though. Also you wonder, wherever he goes (BOS, PHI, LAL, LAC, etc.), will he even be the same Kawhi we've seen the last 3-4 years?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 27, 2018, 06:30:44 PM
I wouldn't touch Kawhi, given all the stuff he's got going on in SA.

Next!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 27, 2018, 06:38:59 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

More like the Spurs would hang up. Klay Thompson would be nothing without Curry and Durant.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: scaryjerry on June 27, 2018, 06:41:49 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

More like the Spurs would hang up. Klay Thompson would be nothing without Curry and Durant.

Couldnt disagree more...klay thompson would be better then any other scenario I've heard for kawhi...guy is a baller and would be an all time great shooter anywhere he goes
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 27, 2018, 06:51:07 PM
I’m surprised that GS hasn’t gotten into the Kawhi sweepstakes, Leonard for Thompson  would work for both teams

GS would hang up the phone. Klay is an All-Star talent already perfectly integrated into their championship squad. Kawhi is a rental with locker room and health issues. They are both flight risks post-trade.

In a vacuum Kawhi has a higher ceiling, but I can't see this happening.

More like the Spurs would hang up. Klay Thompson would be nothing without Curry and Durant.

You mean like when GS averaged 70 wins the two years before Durant with Klay as their 2nd best player?

He's one of the best shooters of all time and a plus defender. C'mon now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 07:39:02 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/e2f796ead17a6855cf33529a06e05072.png)

https://twitter.com/AlvaroNBAMartin/status/1012008491073105920

Spurs must be bluffing to keep the price high.

I'd be delighted to have him in Boston, even if it meant losing Brown.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 27, 2018, 07:45:46 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 07:48:27 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

Good point but IMO it works both ways. Didn't they say last year that if only Kyrie had said earlier he wanted out, Cavs could have got a better deal?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 27, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

Good point but IMO it works both ways. Didn't they say last year that if only Kyrie had said earlier he wanted out, Cavs could have got a better deal?
both of you have good points but, in regards to Greece, one difference is Kyrie didn't only have one year remaining, nor did he only have reportedly one team he would be signing with after the contracts up 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 27, 2018, 08:25:08 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.

Good point, and I agree to an extent. The quibble I have is with LAL. LAL may be the most willing to deal something "good" for Kawhi, in an effort to entice others to join. SAS will have to consider what they might get when their are multiple teams "bidding" for Kawhi at the start of the summer vs when there's one team out east left with space to take Kawhi at the end of the summer.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 08:26:45 PM
Think they buckle and send him to the Lakers
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on June 27, 2018, 08:33:57 PM
Think they buckle and send him to the Lakers

I don't. I think they'll take the best offer for their team. If they do send him to LAL, I can see them waiting until free agency plays out. If LAL doesn't get 'Bron or PG (especially PG given how sure they were they could just wait on him for a year), they may offer more to secure Kawhi now rather than wait for next season.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 27, 2018, 08:43:11 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 08:46:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Thank god.

Giving up Jaylen for a rental is stupid. Same deal with any of our max guys in a package (Kyrie or Hayward). Just walk away Danny!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Best news of the day.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on June 27, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Thank god.

Giving up Jaylen for a rental is stupid. Same deal with any of our max guys in a package (Kyrie or Hayward). Just walk away Danny!
https://youtu.be/XPY5P0TaC4k
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on June 27, 2018, 08:52:10 PM
I think it be Philly or staying at San Antonio..i thought boston but now, i dont..dont want to give 3-4 players for a rental
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 27, 2018, 08:53:35 PM
I'm surprised we haven't heard NY much in Kawhi trade rumors. Pretty sure his camp mentioned NY as a place he'd love to play (long term) and NY is obviously a big market. They have the assets to pull it off (maybe not better than Lakers if they offer Kuzma + Ingram + something, but the Knicks are in the East).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 27, 2018, 08:58:07 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Best news of the day.


LOL ....good old DA low balled them with his first salvo .....

Nobody will pay what Lakers will.....s their MO.   ...buy what we need ...money is no proble,.....buying free agents to rebuild at any cost.

If Kawhi won't asure DA he ll stay a while ....no way the owners give up Rozier  , or Brown for a years  rental .   

I would never say Danny is finished .  yet anyway . 

Lakers would trade evrybody they got  for even one year shot of Cp3 Kawhi George.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 27, 2018, 08:58:30 PM
Not worth giving up that package for a one-year rental. And I don't even know if he can replicate his pre-injury stats performance again.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 27, 2018, 08:59:51 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Best news of the day.


LOL ....good old DA low balled them with his first salvo .....

Nobody will pay what Lakers will.....s their MO.   ...buy what we need ...money is no proble,.....buying free agents to rebuild at any cost.

If Kawhi won't asure DA he ll stay a while ....no way the owners give up Rozier  , or Brown for a years  rental .   

I would neber say Danny is finished .   

Lakers would trade evrybody they hot for even one year shot of Cp3 Kawhi George.

The only way Lakers win that trade is if they absolutely win the championship the upcoming season. Otherwise, that would be a Billy King-esque move for them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 09:05:43 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 09:07:53 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783314-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-spurs-talks-have-gone-nowhere

Good. He’s not worth the price, especially given the risks of losing him.

Best news of the day.


LOL ....good old DA low balled them with his first salvo .....

Nobody will pay what Lakers will.....s their MO.   ...buy what we need ...money is no proble,.....buying free agents to rebuild at any cost.

If Kawhi won't asure DA he ll stay a while ....no way the owners give up Rozier  , or Brown for a years  rental .   

I would neber say Danny is finished .   

Lakers would trade evrybody they hot for even one year shot of Cp3 Kawhi George.

The only way Lakers win that trade is if they absolutely win the championship the upcoming season. Otherwise, that would be a Billy King-esque move for them.
The LAL have the luxury of knowing that's where Kawhi wants to be long term. No one else can get that assurance.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 09:16:50 PM
Leonard is a luxury for Boston. But Brown is going to be him soon
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 27, 2018, 09:25:58 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 27, 2018, 09:29:15 PM
Cleveland is so unstable right now that their draft picks are likely very valuable if unprotected.

It would be pretty funny if they turned the tables on the Lakers.

They could send Sexton, Nance, Clarkson, and Zizic + three unprotected picks - picks which have a chance at becoming Brooklyn-level valuable. If i'm the Spurs I want the 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. The ones as far in the future as possible.

I'd imagine acquiring Leonard would be enough to entice LeBron to stay for at least another year.

The dysfunction and drama would be a joy to watch. Meanwhile Magic Johnson panics and invests fully in Paul George and some other B-level star. The Cavs and Lakers could both simultaneously implode.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 27, 2018, 09:34:56 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.

I won't be surprised if some dark horse team comes out of the mix to nab Leonard.

And it won't necessarily be a contender.

Some of the teams in the league have been floundering for a long time and are desperate for something good to happen. I could see a lottery team sending an appealing package of picks and players that would allow the Spurs to gain adequate value while sticking it to Kawhi and the Lakers simultaneously.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 09:39:01 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on June 27, 2018, 10:03:09 PM
Cleveland is so unstable right now that their draft picks are likely very valuable if unprotected.

It would be pretty funny if they turned the tables on the Lakers.

They could send Sexton, Nance, Clarkson, and Zizic + three unprotected picks - picks which have a chance at becoming Brooklyn-level valuable. If i'm the Spurs I want the 2020, 2022, and 2024 picks. The ones as far in the future as possible.

I'd imagine acquiring Leonard would be enough to entice LeBron to stay for at least another year.

The dysfunction and drama would be a joy to watch. Meanwhile Magic Johnson panics and invests fully in Paul George and some other B-level star. The Cavs and Lakers could both simultaneously implode.

That's a beautiful dream. I hope it comes true!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 27, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 10:42:20 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 10:42:53 PM
Lakers get Leonard they get James. It is a 2 for one for them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 10:44:58 PM
The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless  and cold blooded during trades
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless  and cold blooded during trades

Prolly not his best. He knows he can stand pat and win the East, plus not risk crippling this team for the next few years.

Keep this group together and add a top 5 pick from the Kings as well as maybe a top 9 or 10 pick from the Grizz...next year...or use them in a trade later on
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Banner18now! on June 27, 2018, 10:56:47 PM
Lakers are going to give up everything to get Kawhi because it means Lebron as well. I still don't think they have enough to beat G.S. Celtics will also be the better team as well. Let them both go there. Celts will still have a better and deeper team than the Fakers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 27, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
Kuzma
Ingram
a pick
Maybe a S and T with Randall as a sweetner

Not much to give up. Would be interesting how they fill their team out
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 11:08:35 PM
Kuzma
Ingram
a pick
Maybe a S and T with Randall as a sweetner

Not much to give up. Would be interesting how they fill their team out
vs

Brown
Smart S&T
Sac pick


Salary is tough to match for Celtics
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 27, 2018, 11:12:57 PM
The real question is what did danny offer. The man is ruthless  and cold blooded during trades

Prolly not his best. He knows he can stand pat and win the East, plus not risk crippling this team for the next few years.

Keep this group together and add a top 5 pick from the Kings as well as maybe a top 9 or 10 pick from the Grizz...next year...or use them in a trade later on

Danny's main role here is probably bidding up the price the Lakers or some dark horse team has to pay to get Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 27, 2018, 11:15:20 PM
I mean, Kawhi and Lebron both going to LA is about perfect for us, right? That would give Boston a clear stranglehold on the East for the foreseeable future, and so long as George doesn’t also go there, which I still don’t think would be enough to unseat GS in the West, that also gives us a legitimate shot at a title for the foreseeable future, especially with the West beating each other up before making it to the Finals.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 27, 2018, 11:18:23 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 27, 2018, 11:34:00 PM
Quote
  Leonard has been adamant that he doesn't want to step into the San Antonio locker room again, and the Spurs have been adamant that they won't be forced into a trade, or a timetable, prior to the February trading deadline, league sources said. No team talking with the Spurs about Leonard has found them to be in a rush to make a deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-reopen-talks-kawhi-leonard
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Csfan1984 on June 27, 2018, 11:42:56 PM
Lakers should be all in and don't see Spurs turning their deal down. Just no competition for a Lakers deal if teams feel Leonard is going to be a one year rental. Lakers are probably just waiting on LeBron before dealing for Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 27, 2018, 11:57:04 PM
Lakers should be all in and don't see Spurs turning their deal down. Just no competition for a Lakers deal if teams feel Leonard is going to be a one year rental. Lakers are probably just waiting on LeBron before dealing for Leonard.
Lakers can't wait for lebron

Lebron isn't going to LA unless kahwi is first domino
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 27, 2018, 11:57:07 PM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,
So the Spurs are better off with one team bidding for Kawhi, vs. 3 or 4 teams bidding for Kawhi? Great logic.

The Spurs are just trying to drive up the price for Kawhi. THey're negotiating with the lakers as we speak.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticpride1 on June 28, 2018, 12:36:54 AM
RC Buford has all the keys to this off-season in the palm of his hands. No way he gives Kawai away to the Lakers before FA starts.Unless he gets a massive offer which Lakers can’t really match. Hold onto kawi till after LeBron makes his choice and Than take your best deal.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 28, 2018, 12:45:35 AM
Yup, I feel that Kahwi isn't moving until free agency finishes.  It's just smart for the Spurs to wait to see where the chips fall and continue to try to negotiate before they move their biggest asset.

Also if the Lakers clear enough cap space to sign two max free agents like Lebron and George or Lebron and Cousins, I'm not sure they will be able to trade for Leonard.  I believe they can only take two max guys this offseason.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: action781 on June 28, 2018, 12:47:54 AM
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

I'm not so sure.  Consider the Lakers top offer right now, whatever that is...  If that's the best offer SA sees right now, it makes a lot of sense to jump on it now.  Because if Lebron goes elsewhere, that offer is now off the table.  And if Lebron does decide to go to LA w/o Kawhi there yet, then LA would probably still like to add Kawhi, but doesn't feel the same desperation that they do now.  I don't see any scenario where the LA improves their offer after Lebron's decision.  Cleveland will have the same reaction looking at a potential Kawhi trade.  I think their offers while desperate are their highest offers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 01:07:37 AM
Have a feeling San Antonio doesn't make a move on Kawhi until after the major players in free agency make their decisions. Just don't see San Antonio doing a team like Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers a favor by moving Kawhi early hence making landing another major free agent easier for them.

If for instance Lebron decides to stay in Cleveland, then maybe Kawhi gets dealt to LAL. If either George or Paul land in LAL with Lebron, maybe SA sends Kawhi east. And so on. I just don't see SA dealing Kawhi to a team to make it easy for them to create another superteam.
They would be killing the market for him. Only a fool would purposely destroy demand for their own product. That would make no sense whatsoever.
Disagree it kills their market for Kawhi. It just narrows it a bit. What is killing the Spurs market is Kawhi saying he only wants to go to the Lakers. And since he is killing his own trade value, I don't see the Spurs doing him any favors by dealing him there early so that LA can then figure out a way to get Lebron and another star there.
You're eliminating suitors. Of course it hurts the market for him tremendously. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. The SAS not participating in creating another superteam should have zero bearing on any decision they make. The only rational reason for them not to trade him asap is that they think they can turn him back, but from what I've read tonight, he's not stepping foot in their lockerroom again.

What you're suggesting is organizational suicide by SAS. If he's going to LAL, either they can get something for him, or they can go through a season where they have no chance to compete, and get nothing in return. The longer they wait, the less resources and cap space teams have available to trade for him.
Completely disagree. The Spurs market is more hurt by Kawhi's limiting the market to LAL than the Spurs remaining patient and looking for the best deal....not the deal that makes Kawhi most happy and coincidentally helps a direct competitor in the western conference.

Even without Kawhi, San Antonio was still a strong playoff team. That was without Kawhi. The Spurs are looking to add talent to a team that won 47 games without Kawhi. Trading him to get the best result for the team is adding players to that 47 win core while not making a team that finished lower than the Spurs a superteam in their conference.

Regardless of Kawhi's desires, my guess is there is still a team out there willing to take the risk of trading for Kawhi while hoping to get him to resign after he spends a year with the team. Seems I rememver the KG situation in Minny being very similar and yet Danny kept up the persistence and landed KG and convinced him to stay. Danny did that because he was patient.

It works the other way too. Buford being patient and waiting to see how FA pans out is, IMO, the best case scenario for the Spurs.
how can you disagree with what he said? Its not an arguable statement. What he said was fact. The spurs would kill the trade market if they wait

Because of that, Spurs have reopened trade talks with Lakers after shutting the door on them just Days ago : http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard


Expect kawhi traded by Friday morning. if they wait any longer they lose him for peanuts. No, its not relevant how good the team is without kawhI lol
Yeah, I think you are both completely wrong and come Friday, you'll maybe see why when Kawhi is still a Spur. The Spurs are in zero hurry. It is only in their direct competitor's interest to act quickly in this matter.

The true art of the deal is to strike and make the deal when it makes the most sense for you....not your competitors. Watch....the Kawhi deal, if it happens, doesn't happen until FA has played its course,

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Trump_the_art_of_the_deal.jpg/220px-Trump_the_art_of_the_deal.jpg)

Verified source.  nick nailed it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 02:42:40 AM
PG - Thomas
SG - Leonard
SF - James
PF - Randle
C - Lopez

A pretty solid lineup that'll get your team to at least the Western Conference Finals.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Rondo9 on June 28, 2018, 02:49:06 AM
PG - Thomas
SG - Leonard
SF - James
PF - Randle
C - Lopez

A pretty solid lineup that'll get your team to at least the Western Conference Finals.

That’s a terrible lineup defensively.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 28, 2018, 03:28:03 AM
Could Danny be there acting as a catalyst? I can only imagine he would love to see LeBron go to the Lakers and open up the East completely! What if he is there trying to enable a trade as the 3rd team? Potentially using Morris and Rozier as sweeteners... Not sure what he'd get back in return though, it would obviously still need to be a good deal for us. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 03:38:49 AM
"According to reporting from ESPN, the Los Angeles Lakers would likely clinch a free agent commitment from LeBron James if they are able to agree upon a trade for Kawhi Leonard."

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on June 28, 2018, 05:11:32 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f8c3562ccf1ea0bbff22390b31d9aa49.png)

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985

(https://i.gyazo.com/7af3b14b30b4dbf61d9216d73e9e1f77.png)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-reopen-talks-kawhi-leonard

The demands of SAS are unrealistic IMO. It's more about trying to keep the price up, but -if past deals for all star players are any guide- they will have to settle for less, esp. now that it is known that Leonard wants out.
 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on June 28, 2018, 06:38:18 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f8c3562ccf1ea0bbff22390b31d9aa49.png)

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985

(https://i.gyazo.com/7af3b14b30b4dbf61d9216d73e9e1f77.png)

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-reopen-talks-kawhi-leonard

The demands of SAS are unrealistic IMO. It's more about trying to keep the price up, but -if past deals for all star players are any guide- they will have to settle for less, esp. now that it is known that Leonard wants out.

If that report is true, I don't see Kawhi coming to Boston. From a roster construction standpoint, moving your best pg for another wing doesn't make sense. And from a value standpoint, Kawhi has injury/personal problems to worry about now. Giving up your best player for that kind of gamble doesn't make sense to me either.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on June 28, 2018, 07:33:12 AM
I'm hearing that Spurs are unlikely to make a deal in the off-season, so Kawhi starts off the season on their roster.  Good for them: They will not be  pushed around and certainly don't want to enable another " super-team" especially in the WC.  That would be worse than losing him for nothing, IMO.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 07:42:35 AM
Small price to pay for the Lakers to Leonard and James

George opting out of his deal and will be a free agent now also. Lakers might get all three.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 07:48:48 AM
Spurs have to stand strong make the Lakers suffer and give them nothing!!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 07:52:01 AM
Think it will be kuzma, Ingram, Randall in a sign and trade and 2 number one picks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on June 28, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
If the Celtics are going to trade for Leonard, it will be one of three types of deals where we have to give up:

     Kyrie Irving
     Gordon Hayward
     Brown or Tatum with other young pieces and chunks of salary

I don't really want to do any of these trades so I just don't see it happening.  It is not going to be one of the Rozier, Morris,.....  deals.  There will be much better offers available.

San Antonio is playing it smart and appears to be in no rush.  Why should they be.  The Lakers may be better served to offer just one young piece with Deng to allow them to sign Paul, George, and James (get it, three players with last names that are first names?).  I guess Leonard fits this as well.  hmmmm
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Dchuck on June 28, 2018, 08:05:24 AM
Even if it doesn’t go down this year there’s a good chance it will next year.  Lebron can opt in with the Cavs one more year, then both he and Kawhi sign with LA next year.  LA doesn’t give up anything! Or Lebron goes to LA and waits for Kawhi. Remember, Magic has his eyes on next summer as a deadline.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 28, 2018, 08:10:14 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on June 28, 2018, 08:22:09 AM
If I were the Spurs I would want one of the following deals:

1. To SAS: Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle (S+T)
To LAL: Leonard

or something like

2. To SAS: Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Bryant, Randle (S+T), Deng + two 1st round draft picks
To LAL: Leonard, Gasol, Mills
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 09:30:11 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Well, when you put it all that way it definitely feels like it LOL.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 09:31:27 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on June 28, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?
well they'd have 2 of the players they didn't trade, plus the MLE, which they could probably split, but yeah they would be thin in the depth department this year, though when you have the best player in the world, a guy that was a top 5 player in the world before he was injured, and a top 15 player in the world, they might not need that much more.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 09:44:57 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?

No undrafted rookies, but yes, minimum contract vets and their room exception.  That’s life when you’re trying to add three max players in a single offseason.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 09:48:19 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?

Veterans/free agents and plethora of undrafted free agents will come flockin'. The potential of winning with two top 5 players, and PG-13, with the allure of living in Los Angeles is way too promising.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PaulAllen on June 28, 2018, 10:26:45 AM
to match salary they would either have to use a sign and trade with Randle (which i dont see SA doing) or trading the whole coup of young talent Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart.. and if I'm Magic I do it .. The only dead weight is Dengs contract... so you have KL, LBJ, and PG and fill the roster with veterans who will play for cheap to win ..
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 10:40:22 AM
So it looks like the Spurs want nothing to do with Deng's contract, or Lonzo Ball.

Essentially it will probably take Kuzma, Ingram and a Randle S&T to get it done. Honestly if I'm the Lakers and getting Leonard means getting Lebron (possibly George too), you do it.

SAS may fish for an additional asset like Hart or a future pick but I think they'd gladly settle on Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (via S&T)

Thing is if they don't send out Deng then they won't have cap space for Lebron and George. And without all 3 it's just a rehash of Cleveland. Maybe that's enough for Lebron but he isn't adding to his championships that way. The Lakers need to find a team to take on that Deng contract.

They can stretch Deng, sign both LeBron and PG13, and then trade Ingram, Ball, and two of Kuzma, Hart, Wagner (30 days after he signs), and Zubac (if he’s not waived this week) to match salaries for Kawhi.  That’s a heavy price, and they would have over $7 million of Deng’s contract on the books for the next five years.  But trading Deng is not a necessity.

Than what fill the roster with undrafted rookies and minimum contract vets?

Veterans/free agents and plethora of undrafted free agents will come flockin'. The potential of winning with two top 5 players, and PG-13, with the allure of living in Los Angeles is way too promising.

Yeah plus there's not a lot of FA money out there, a lot of guys wouldn't be turning down much money to do it.  They'd get 2-3 decent vets out there and probably pick up a buyout guy or two later on.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 10:50:54 AM
Screaming A Smith said today Leonard isn’t thrilled with the idea of playing with Lebron with the Lakers because of all hoopla James brings
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 10:54:27 AM
Screaming A Smith said today Leonard isn’t thrilled with the idea of playing with Lebron with the Lakers because of all hoopla James brings

Sounds like Kawhi isn't thrilled with much these days. Gonna be real interesting to see how things play out wherever he winds up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PaulAllen on June 28, 2018, 11:12:59 AM
Kawhi does not want any hoopla
Kawhi wants to play for the Lakers
Kawhi is the new Kanye
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Screaming A Smith said today Leonard isn’t thrilled with the idea of playing with Lebron with the Lakers because of all hoopla James brings


If he doesn't want all the hoopla, then why would he ever want to play for the Lakers? Yes, I know LeBron is a circus all his own, but the Lakers are not far behind. Plus, the Lakers have Lavar Ball, which may actually be far worse than anything LeBron would bring.


If Kawhi just wants to play and not be surrounded by any hoopla, then why not be open to play long term for Boston?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on June 28, 2018, 11:25:40 AM
to match salary they would either have to use a sign and trade with Randle (which i dont see SA doing) or trading the whole coup of young talent Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart.. and if I'm Magic I do it .. The only dead weight is Dengs contract... so you have KL, LBJ, and PG and fill the roster with veterans who will play for cheap to win ..

Actually including Randle in a sign and trade IMO seems better for the Spurs than including the dead weight of Deng’s contract.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 11:35:49 AM
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Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 11:37:32 AM
Kawhi does not want any hoopla
Kawhi wants to play for the Lakers
Kawhi is the new Kanye

Kawhi is the Quiet Storm
Kawhi contains multitudes
Kawhi is Introvert Kyrie
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 11:39:49 AM
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.


Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 28, 2018, 11:45:05 AM
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Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
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Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.

I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.

Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum.  Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st.  But who knows really.  I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenShooter on June 28, 2018, 11:49:33 AM
This will be over by Monday. Just a prediction. Sorry but I'd give up Brown + for Kawhi. I just hope Lebron goes to LAL and if the rumors of Kawhi not wanting to be part of that circus then he can sign here. I just don't see how that can happen though with AL, Gordon and Kyrie also in the max situation. Would Danny have to let Kyrie go after the season? I'm sure this has been discussed but I surely missed out on the conversation.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
Brown
Sac pick
Marcus Morris

That would be my offer
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on June 28, 2018, 11:51:25 AM
Brown
Sac pick
Marcus Morris

That would be my offer
For one year of Kawhi? No thanks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 11:52:19 AM
I would think San Antonio needs to infuse youth back in their organization. I could see Jaylen Brown, Rozier, and Boston's 4 first round picks next year (and obviously salary filler).

For me, Irving, Hayward, and Tatum are untradeable.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 11:54:13 AM
I would think San Antonio needs to infuse youth back in their organization. I could see Jaylen Brown, Rozier, and Boston's 4 first round picks next year (and obviously salary filler).

For me, Irving, Hayward, and Tatum are untradeable.

RC Buford is really hoping that you’re Danny Ainge’s burner account.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 28, 2018, 11:58:59 AM
What if several of these rumors are true?

- Spurs are intent on NOT trading him to the Lakers

- C's will NOT offer Tatum or Brown



Spurs realize that the C's won't budge unless they send out a narrative that they're fully engaged in trade discussions with the Lakers in hopes that the Ainge caves and gives up Brown.

I also don't think the Sixers are a real threat to get into these trade discussions. I do think the Spurs would value Saric, but I doubt they think highly of broken shot/brain Fultz, especially considering that they have a promising player (Murray) that they're developing. Plus, the Sixers don't have any high draft picks in upcoming drafts, unlike the C's who can dangle both the Kings and Grizzlies picks.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 11:59:34 AM
Could you imagine what next season will be like if Danny gets Kawhi? Obviously, the preseason, regular season and playoffs will be unreal. It would be like the '07-08 season all over again. On the flip side, the anxiety of losing Irving and Kawhi the following season will be equally as awful.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
Think the spurs want picks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
I would think San Antonio needs to infuse youth back in their organization. I could see Jaylen Brown, Rozier, and Boston's 4 first round picks next year (and obviously salary filler).

For me, Irving, Hayward, and Tatum are untradeable.
Unless you're a San Antonio fan, I can only imagine you don't realize that Kawhi his a free agent a year from now and has expressed his desire to go to LA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on June 28, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
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The Spurs are fully engaged in trade talks with several teams on Kawhi Leonard, including the Lakers and Celtics, league sources tell ESPN. Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade.


Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

Might just be parsing words here but the bolded portion could be critical here...

"has long had the assets" implies what exactly?  If you interpret that as more than one season, you can rule out a Kyrie trade or a Tatum trade (kind of obvious on Tatum, right?)

However it means picks and Brown / Rozier could be in play.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
R-E-L-A-X guys. It's nothing.

Danny is just driving up Kawhi's price, and I'm for it!  8)

Just force the Lakers to trade Kuzma, Ingram, Randle + another asset  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mrceltics2013 on June 28, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
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Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.

I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.

Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum.  Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st.  But who knows really.  I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.

Well bleacher report also said that brown/Tatum and possibly the sac pick are untouchable, so I really don't know.

My speculation is sign and trade smart to make the salaries match better then you can part with Picks and a Rozier or Morris. I believe as this is to be like a 1 year rental (look at Paul George) there shouldn't be that many assets used for this trade. I don't think there was any picks in the PG trade. And victor was coming off a 16ppg year whilst kawhi is coming off a 9 game injury riddled season. I think this trade will end up being Far less than what ppl believe. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 12:17:45 PM
What if several of these rumors are true?

- Spurs are intent on NOT trading him to the Lakers

- C's will NOT offer Tatum or Brown



Spurs realize that the C's won't budge unless they send out a narrative that they're fully engaged in trade discussions with the Lakers in hopes that the Ainge caves and gives up Brown.

I also don't think the Sixers are a real threat to get into these trade discussions. I do think the Spurs would value Saric, but I doubt they think highly of broken shot/brain Fultz, especially considering that they have a promising player (Murray) that they're developing. Plus, the Sixers don't have any high draft picks in upcoming drafts, unlike the C's who can dangle both the Kings and Grizzlies picks.

I don’t think that the Celtics will not offer Tatum or Brown can be very true if they are actually seriously pursuing Kawhi.  They need to send out approximately $15 million to get him before July 1st or $16 million after July 1st, or more if Kawhi does not waive his trade kicker.  For both to be true, there are two options:

1) Trade one of Horford (nope) Hayward (highly unlikely) or Irving (pretty unlikely)
2) Hope that you can work out a S&T with Smart where he makes a first year salary in the $14-16 million range, also sending out Morris and some combination of filler including Yabusele, Ojeleye, Theis, and Nader, while emptying the pick vault.  Not impossible, but it’s probably going to require San Antonio to pay a salary premium to Smart.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 12:38:51 PM
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Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.

I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.

Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum.  Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st.  But who knows really.  I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.

I'll give up both Brown and SAC '19 (for starters) if I am assured that Kawhi Leonard will sign an extension. If Spurs demand BOTH Brown, Tatum, and SAC '19 though, goodbye I hang up the phone.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: heyvik on June 28, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
R-E-L-A-X guys. It's nothing.

Danny is just driving up Kawhi's price, and I'm for it!  8)

Just force the Lakers to trade Kuzma, Ingram, Randle + another asset  :laugh:


This is the ONLY reason! From the time I heard it's a  2 person race, one which includes Boston, I knew that Danny was only in it to drive up the price, in hopes of 2 things:
 1- Get LA to give up as much as possible
2 - Keep Kawhi away from Philly

Danny is dangling trade assets for the simple reason of driving up the price. He's helping out SA in getting as much as possible from LA. He's basically sticking it to Magic (Boston/LA rivalry again).

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
This is all to drive up the price for the Lakers. Lakers are going to end up given up a lot
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 28, 2018, 12:46:05 PM
So does anyone expect Kawhi in green? I really don’t and never have. Ainge gambling on a rental isn’t his m.o I guess there could always be a first though lol
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 28, 2018, 12:54:44 PM
If Kawhi assures Danny he resigns, then say goodbye to Brown and that Sac pick. Think Jefferson in 07 but with a much younger player. I do think Brown is a better prospect though vs Jefferson but this could happen. Spurs do not want to trade with Lakers.

Our core of Tatum, Horford, Kawhi, Kyrie and Hayward would be unstoppable.

I love Brown...don't get me wrong but there is no way Danny would not do that trade. If anything though, make the Lakers give up the house to get him in LA. For a one year rental without guarantees I do not give Brown. Absolutely no way for one year.

Zero chance I include Tatum and Brown as well.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on June 28, 2018, 12:56:31 PM
This is all to drive up the price for the Lakers. Lakers are going to end up given up a lot
I agree!!! Trade 3-4 players and picks for one player, no thanks..if im spurs, i ask for kuzman, ingram, ball and 3 picks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 12:59:20 PM
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Though the cynical part of me wonders if this is now San Antonio trying to drive up LA's offer.

To add to this Stein said the spurs are fully ready to move on from him.
I really don’t want to trade Kyrie.

I think the "coveted assets" are probably more like Tatum and the Sac 1st, maybe Brown. I don't think SA wants to try and build an elite team around Kyrie, LMA and the Island of Misfit Toys.

Fortunately I also think there's basically 0 chance of Danny giving up Tatum.  Probably little chance of both Brown and the Sac 1st.  But who knows really.  I keep feeling like there isn't fire behind the smoke but it's Danny.

I'll give up both Brown and SAC '19 (for starters) if I am assured that Kawhi Leonard will sign an extension. If Spurs demand BOTH Brown, Tatum, and SAC '19 though, goodbye I hang up the phone.

Yeah, to flip it around there's no way we should give both without one. Even Brown for the rental is painful and we might regret it sooner than later. Smaller chance of the same for the Sac pick.

I might be willing to do both with the extension and a cleanish bill of health (the other huge X-factor). But it should be a non-starter without them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 28, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 28, 2018, 01:01:57 PM
Lakers just can’t risk waiting another summer can they lol
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
Danny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
A Godfather offer?

Must be Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Frye, Hart, Deng, and their future picks.

That would be something for the Lakers to ship out The Ball Family tho.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 01:11:57 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

LOL gosh I wonder what kinds of sources are characterizing it that way.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 28, 2018, 01:12:16 PM
I dont think there is anyway Ainge give up a premium asset like Brown, Tatum, SAC 19 without knowing Kawhi will resign and hes healthy. And I dont think there is any real chance at EITHER let alone both. I mean hes been real clear about wanting to go LA and with George leaning towards OKC that opens up LA next offseason at worse. And I think we are massively over looking the injury. That could be the kind of thing that needs management for his entire career. Just dont see this happening, we are driving up LA price.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:12:24 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

I don’t think they have Godfather assets.

Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 01:13:29 PM
Lakers just can’t risk waiting another summer can they lol

The Lakers HAVE to make a move now if they want to land LeBron James. So they'll be forced to give up a premium package for Kawhi Leonard, and then LeBron James will follow suit.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Per Mark Murphy

Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 28, 2018, 01:20:20 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

I don’t think they have Godfather assets.

Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?

Ingram Kuzma and Ball is better then Brown and an unknown pick from Sac.  Kind of borderline Godfather offer if you include a future pick as well.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 01:21:58 PM
Danny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.

Just because Ainge is treating this like a rental, doesn’t mean he isn’t driving the price up. If the Spurs are talking to two teams, the desperate one may be willing to up the ante because they need him. We want him, sure. But we will be great without him too.

If Spurs are engaged with us, clearly Ainge is offering something that’s interesting to them. I’m sure Tatum is off the table, but is Brown? Is Ainge trying to do a Smart S&T and whatever picks they desire? I’d give up any of them, even SAC19 for a healthy Kawhi. Then roll the dice. Honestly, we could win 70 games with Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford.

I know Kawhi is from LA, but it’s not the only place to make a name for yourself. I don’t know if he can walk away from a potential dynasty AND more money.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 28, 2018, 01:22:11 PM
Per Mark Murphy

Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here.

so, he is Lakers bound then for sure. Danny is all about calculated risks and that does not sound like a smart one for us to take.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 28, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

I don’t think they have Godfather assets.

Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?

I think that offer beats anything a team outside LA is willing to give without assurances. Although in terms of typical "godfather" offers it doesn't match up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

I don’t think they have Godfather assets.

Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?

I think that offer beats anything a team outside LA is willing to give without assurances. Although in terms of typical "godfather" offers it doesn't match up.

I agree. At the same time, San Antonio can slow play this as long as they want. LA won’t have cap space next year, meaning Leonard may have to be more open minded.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 01:27:11 PM
Danny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.

Just because Ainge is treating this like a rental, doesn’t mean he isn’t driving the price up. If the Spurs are talking to two teams, the desperate one may be willing to up the ante because they need him. We want him, sure. But we will be great without him too.

If Spurs are engaged with us, clearly Ainge is offering something that’s interesting to them. I’m sure Tatum is off the table, but is Brown? Is Ainge trying to do a Smart S&T and whatever picks they desire? I’d give up any of them, even SAC19 for a healthy Kawhi. Then roll the dice. Honestly, we could win 70 games with Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford.

I know Kawhi is from LA, but it’s not the only place to make a name for yourself. I don’t know if he can walk away from a potential dynasty AND more money.
ainge isn't driving up the price. He’s making a formal offer for a superstar
This isn’t ebay
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 28, 2018, 01:30:16 PM
Danny is not trying to drive up the price for the Lakers, since the two teams are negotiating from completely different points of view. Boston is basing their offer on a one year rental, while LA has to pay a premium for a 6 year plus player.

Just because Ainge is treating this like a rental, doesn’t mean he isn’t driving the price up. If the Spurs are talking to two teams, the desperate one may be willing to up the ante because they need him. We want him, sure. But we will be great without him too.

If Spurs are engaged with us, clearly Ainge is offering something that’s interesting to them. I’m sure Tatum is off the table but is Brown? Is Ainge trying to do a Smart S&T and whatever picks they desire? I’d give up any of them, even SAC19 for a healthy Kawhi. Then roll the dice. Honestly, we could win 70 games with Irving/Leonard/Hayward/Tatum/Horford.

I know Kawhi is from LA, but it’s not the only place to make a name for yourself. I don’t know if he can walk away from a potential dynasty AND more money.
ainge isn't driving up the price. He’s making a formal offer for a superstar
This isn’t eBay

Actually, I thought I saw it listed as "Make Offer" under the rights for Kawhi Leonard Jersey.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
Per Mark Murphy

Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to come here.

so, he is Lakers bound then for sure. Danny is all about calculated risks and that does not sound like a smart one for us to take.

Don't rule out the Spurs.  Lakers want to trade by tomorrow to ensure LeBron opts out. Spurs have several weeks or months if they're willing to trade mid-season, but the value they could get could shift rapidly during FA season. It's a pretty interesting poker hand.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 28, 2018, 01:31:34 PM
Really hope this gets over with soon. I really don’t want any part of the Kawhi uncertainty, but I hope we stay in it long enough to make LA have to pay out of the arse to get him.

Then that would virtually assure Lebron to the Lakers and out of the East, setting up our future for the foreseeable future.

Just hope LA doesn’t land all three of Lebron, Kawhi, and George. Though I still don’t think that would get them past GS, or probably Houston for that matter, given that they would essentially devastate their roster and overall depth to get all three.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:32:00 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Boston’s extremely cautious on Leonard front. There’s so much uncertainty w/ Leonard’s future — health, free agent desires, etc. Will Leonard be same player? That’s hard to tell. Celtics don’t have to make a risky trade and have no intention to do so. It’s an interesting dance. – via Twitter wojespn

That sounds about right.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1012367563035062273

Godfather offer just made by Lakers supposedly

I don’t think they have Godfather assets.

Ingram + Kuzma + Ball. Is that really an offer you can’t refuse?

I think that offer beats anything a team outside LA is willing to give without assurances. Although in terms of typical "godfather" offers it doesn't match up.

I agree. At the same time, San Antonio can slow play this as long as they want. LA won’t have cap space next year, meaning Leonard may have to be more open minded.

LA is going all in now, to help lure LeBron and George by using Kawhi as being the fist major piece to the puzzle. LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players. I think the Lakers pull their offer if they miss out on LeBron and George.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
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LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.

I don’t think this is true.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 01:42:56 PM
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LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.

I don’t think this is true.

Agree. Think James is gone no matter what.

Spurs beat writer says Leonard has no desire to sign deal
With Boston, therefore Boston not very interested in mortgage future for a quick foreclosure. He thinks spurs want Tatum and Brown
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
Could the relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi be so bad, that Kawhi purposely floated the rumor of him wanting to play in LA to lower his trade value? If yes, is the rumor even true?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 28, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.

Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL

Irving/ Rozier
Hayward/ Ingram
Tatum/ Morris
Horford/ Kuzma
Baynes/ Theis/ Williams

SAC1st, MEM1st, Ball1st

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
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He thinks spurs want Tatum and Brown

Which is just silly.

Brown + Morris + Rozier + best of our 2019 draft picks + future #1, if and only if Kawhi signs off and pending a thorough physical

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tonydelk on June 28, 2018, 01:47:29 PM
I hope Kawhi gets traded to Lakers.  Let Houston, GSW and LAL beat on each other while the C's have a clear path to the finals.  I do not think that a team in LA with LBJ, Kawhi and Paul George is better then what the GSW's have.  I'd take Curry, Green, Durant and Klay over that team 100% of the time.  I pray the C's do not trade for Kawhi and run it back with the same team.  I think the C's team is just as good as any other team out there as currently constructed with two potential Lotter picks to keep the youth movement moving for the next 10 years.  No Kawhi please.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on June 28, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
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LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.

I don’t think this is true.

I agree too... I think LeBron has known that he's headed to LA since last year or longer. I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on June 28, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.

Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL

Yikes I don't want to be in any situation where Lonzo Ball (and Lavar Ball) might end up in Boston. Better to not risk that :).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 01:53:18 PM
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LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.

I don’t think this is true.

I don't think LeBron will leave Cleveland a second time if it's not for a legitimately better team. If LA can only add LeBron, then they make the playoffs and are one and done. If LA can add LeBron and George, then they make the second round. If LA adds all three, then they have a chance to win it all. If LeBron stays in Cleveland, their still an ECF contender.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 01:53:55 PM
Celtics should have Paul Pierce and Bill Russell take Kawhi out to dinner.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
I prefer James and Leonard go to la. Let them, Houston and g state eat each other
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on June 28, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
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He thinks spurs want Tatum and Brown

Which is just silly.

Brown + Morris + Rozier + best of our 2019 draft picks + future #1, if and only if Kawhi signs off and pending a thorough physical

The Spurs are just a classy organization so his attitude still scares me which leaves me on the fence, plus I love Brown’s upside.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
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LeBron is not leaving Cleveland if LA can't get at least two more star players.

I don’t think this is true.

I don't think LeBron will leave Cleveland a second time if it's not for a legitimately better team. If LA can only add LeBron, then they make the playoffs and are one and done. If LA can add LeBron and George, then they make the second round. If LA adds all three, then they have a chance to win it all. If LeBron stays in Cleveland, their still an ECF contender.

As d wade said a few weeks ago, lifestyle is number one on James list. He might have a bad year but the Lakers will add talent around him. He can’t be scared to take the first steps

Cleveland roster is awful and will not get better anytime soon. He isn’t winning there either
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 02:00:36 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 02:02:11 PM
Ainge doesn’t lose trades
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
hes not mentioning Tatum. Lol. I wonder if Danny would do the unthinkable
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.
hes not mentioning Tatum. Lol. I wonder if Danny would do the unthinkable

My guess is picks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 28, 2018, 02:07:00 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Evantime34 on June 28, 2018, 02:08:22 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 28, 2018, 02:08:39 PM
Let's just take the whole Lakers core for Brown to really make things weird.

Brown, Smart, Hart to SA
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball to BOS (and we flip Ball for a late lottery pick?)
Leonard to LAL

Yikes I don't want to be in any situation where Lonzo Ball (and Lavar Ball) might end up in Boston. Better to not risk that :).

Creative idea, but ugh.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
Thing is, even if we received assurances that Kawhi would re-sign. His words are simply meaningless and unbelievably inconsistent, and I would take it with a grain of salt. Can't trust him, nor his camp to make under the table handshake agreements.

Unless Ainge is 100% sure he'll re-sign, then again Kawhi seems like he really does want to go to LA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gift on June 28, 2018, 02:11:10 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Probably not ultimately the case. But could be the Spurs value picks over players so they can get "their type" of guy. Notorious for having a type.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 02:11:13 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?

It is impossible, capwise, for the Spurs and Celtics to agree to a trade that does not involve one of Horford, Hayward, Irving, Brown, Or Tatum.  So if the Celtics have made an actual offer the Spurs could accept, even if they wouldn’t want to, one has to be included.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PAOBoston on June 28, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
Without an assurance from Leonard about staying past next year, I just can't bring myself to agree on trading Brown's productivity/ contract for 1 year of Leonard.

Personally, I think this is all Ainge trying to make Magic sweat and do a Nets heist type deal for the Spurs.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 02:16:35 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 02:18:04 PM
If no Brown, no Tatum.... then what?

The only way this is possible is with a Smart S&T or using Kyrie (or Hayward or Horford).

If Ainge can pull off Leonard without losing a starter....wow.

Smart S&T, Morris, Williams, MEM19, LAC19 + salary fillers if needed (Nader or Yabu)? Might need more still, but Williams may be very enticing to them...

I wouldn’t be opposed to swapping the MEM19 with the SAC19 if it’ll get it done. If we can keep Brown/Tatum/Rozier, they can have whatever they want.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: PaulAllen on June 28, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
IMO at this point my best offer would be Rozier/Morris/Yabuesle and Memphis pick
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gift on June 28, 2018, 02:23:06 PM
My girlfriend doesn't really like basketball. Has probably watched about 40 minutes of Celtics games with me this year, and heard me talk about the team.

I told her about the Kawhi Leonard rumor and informed her about how good of a player he is. She concluded that Jaylen Brown would be the one that needed to be traded (certainly "not Kyrie or that 19 year old").
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.

Maybe, but one thing for sure, Kyrie can't be offered by Danny unless he has a done deal; otherwise the chances of him bolting increase dramatically, no?

It is impossible, capwise, for the Spurs and Celtics to agree to a trade that does not involve one of Horford, Hayward, Irving, Brown, Or Tatum.  So if the Celtics have made an actual offer the Spurs could accept, even if they wouldn’t want to, one has to be included.

I thought it was discussed here (or elsewhere, I forget) that if Smart did a S&T that it could potentially be done? Unlikely but still possible?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:27:48 PM
There's ZERO CHANCE Kawhi is coming here, period.

R-E-L-A-X folks. Ainge and Buford are just chilling via Skype leaking out rumors to milk the Lakers out of all their assets in a trade. I'm all for it  8)

While it would suck to see Kawhi (and George + Lebron) go to LAL, if it came at the expense of Ingram, Kuzma, Randle (via S&T) and Hart, it would sting less IMHO (that's a lot of depth/youth being traded away). Also, LAL would still have to clear Deng's contract to even fit George + Lebron, and that will be difficult.

Meanwhile, SAS has NO interest in Lonzo or Deng's contract either according to Woj (he said it on ESPN last night. Don't have link unfortunately)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

Yeah... no. That's like saying that for PHI to make a trade, one of Fultz/Simmons/Embiid is necessary. Absurd considering he's a rental who has made zero assurances to either team he'd stay long term.

Let the Spurs hang up and simply leak rumors out there to drive up the price. Ainge isn't a fool to trade Brown/Irving/Tatum for a rental. Even Kyrie for Kawhi makes zero sense unless you have the utmost belief Rozier is a legit starting PG for a full season. (Also we'd have a legit logjam at the wings positions)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 02:34:56 PM
Can Isaiah be included in a Sign & Trade?

Would be interesting if Spurs can get something like IT, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks and have them take back additional salary like Mills or Gasol.

Spurs could buy low on an All-NBA player on a shorter deal and see if he can return to glory. Also blocks the Lakers from getting two max free agents.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
Can Isaiah be included in a Sign & Trade?

Would be interesting if Spurs can get something like IT, Ingram, Kuzma, and picks and have them take back additional salary like Mills or Gasol.

Spurs could buy low on an All-NBA player on a shorter deal and see if he can return to glory. Also blocks the Lakers from getting two max free agents.

Don't think so, because IT is a UFA. Randle is RFA, like Smart. S&T can be done for the latter two, not IT. Lakers would have to sign him outright which would eat up cap space and I think there's a rule where you can't sign a UFA and trade him immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Update: Never mind, I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on June 28, 2018, 02:37:11 PM
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.

Okay, then never mind, ignore my previous post LOL.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Evantime34 on June 28, 2018, 02:39:16 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.
The Spurs could simply hang up then text Woj that they just had conversations with the Celtics, to try to drive up the price for the Lakers. That's what I think is happening.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:41:40 PM
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Trevor Lane
Verified account
@Trevor_Lane

Lakers reported offer for Kawhi, per @wojespn , is Ingram and a future first. Spurs want far more. Will be interesting to see who blinks.

10:40 AM - 28 Jun 2018

Yeah, there's NO WAY the Spurs are accepting Ingram and some future pick in 2020 or beyond.

Other teams can easily outbid that IMHO. Also offering quality picks too.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid that
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on June 28, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
My girlfriend doesn't really like basketball. Has probably watched about 40 minutes of Celtics games with me this year, and heard me talk about the team.

I told her about the Kawhi Leonard rumor and informed her about how good of a player he is. She concluded that Jaylen Brown would be the one that needed to be traded (certainly "not Kyrie or that 19 year old").

Oh, ok.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 28, 2018, 02:45:04 PM
There's ZERO CHANCE Kawhi is coming here, period.

R-E-L-A-X folks. Ainge and Buford are just chilling via Skype leaking out rumors to milk the Lakers out of all their assets in a trade. I'm all for it  8)

While it would suck to see Kawhi (and George + Lebron) go to LAL, if it came at the expense of Ingram, Kuzma, Randle (via S&T) and Hart, it would sting less IMHO (that's a lot of depth/youth being traded away). Also, LAL would still have to clear Deng's contract to even fit George + Lebron, and that will be difficult.

Meanwhile, SAS has NO interest in Lonzo or Deng's contract either according to Woj (he said it on ESPN last night. Don't have link unfortunately)

I agree that this is slim. But never say zero with Danny. At a minimum, he might see an opportunity to beat LA's weak offer and jump on it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on June 28, 2018, 02:46:22 PM
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid that
I really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:47:27 PM
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kuz
Verified account
@kylekuzma

Asking for a friend. Who gives the media this much info? You’d think the media are the ones making the trades 😂

10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018

LOL.

But actually, I'm wondering this too. Do the sources literally just follow the players and GM's around all day?? How the hell does Stephen A. Smith even know who Lebron texted?  :P

Like it's one thing for some GM's and FO to leak some rumors to reporters, but I highly doubt the players/FO tell the reporters every single thing they are doing lol.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 02:47:36 PM
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid that
I really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.

He can shoot and doesn't have lavar as a father
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cltc5 on June 28, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Yeah, that’s fake.  100% guaranteed fake.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Who?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on June 28, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid that
I really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.

He can shoot and doesn't have lavar as a father
I have a lot more confidence he can get better as a shooter than Kuzma will become a multi-dimensional player. Right now all he does is shoot.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 28, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

Horford, Rozier, Morris and two first round picks wouldn't get it done?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 02:54:00 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)

Love it, King of fake news tells others they are fake news bahahaha!!

Anyway who would be our back up PG when KI goes down for 20 games Larkin? :o
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 02:54:36 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

Horford, Rozier, Morris and two first round picks wouldn't get it done?

Have to imagine unless it's the Kings pick, Ingram+Kuzma and maybe a 1st rounder looks more appealing.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:56:13 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)

Love it, King of fake news tells others they are fake news bahahaha!!

Anyway who would be our back up PG when KI goes down for 20 games Larkin? :o

Are we even keeping Larkin? (I mean I'd love to but honestly doubt it)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 02:57:37 PM
You know, it's a good thing this month is basically considered training for me, so I only work half-day shifts like 2-3 days a week (so I left work just recently). Because good grief if it was full-time right now I wouldn't be able to concentrate seeing all these rumors/reports.  :laugh:

Unfortunately starting next week I officially go full time and we all know Lebron is probably making his official decision then while I'm doing stuff :P
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 02:59:46 PM
Per Gary Washburn

Hearing Jaylen Brown has NOT been discussed in any potential deal for Kawhi Leonard. #Celtics⁠ ⁠ are taking conservative approach in talks with #Spurs.

I don’t buy this, either. Washburn is probably carrying water for the Celtics, trying to spare Jaylen’s psyche.
I believe it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the Spurs have been leaking Boston rumors to the media to drive up the price for the Lakers.

it also wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is offering the Spurs nothing but low balls.

The Spurs would simply hang up, though. There wouldn’t be any dialogue or “talks”.

One of Tatum / Brown / Kyrie is necessary.

Horford, Rozier, Morris and two first round picks wouldn't get it done?

I wouldn’t think so. Why would the Spurs want Horford?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.

But I thought there used to be a rule where S&T players could only be traded on their own (with no other players going out)? So no Smart+Morris+etc or no IT+Ingram+whatever.

Has that rule changed? Or has that never been a rule?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
lakers trying to avoid giving up Kuzma but since Ball is a turd, can't avoid that
I really don't get why Kuzma is more highly regarded than Ball by so many people.

He can shoot and doesn't have lavar as a father
I have a lot more confidence he can get better as a shooter than Kuzma will become a multi-dimensional player. Right now all he does is shoot.

Not with James. You need shooters to space the floor. How do you play Ball and James together? Ball best attributes are ball handling and passing. James will be ball dominate in LA, making Ball pretty useless. Kuzma gives them an outside shooter
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 28, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Danny's clinging to Brown and the Sac pick---cause they are BOTH Gold.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
Danny's clinging to Brown and the Sac pick---cause they are BOTH Gold.

You may be correct, but Kawhi is a diamond.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on June 28, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.

But I thought there used to be a rule where S&T players could only be traded on their own (with no other players going out)? So no Smart+Morris+etc or no IT+Ingram+whatever.

Has that rule changed? Or has that never been a rule?
That's never been a rule afaik. Players who were recently traded can not be aggregated into another trade, only traded on their own for a certain period of time.

From the Larry Coon FAQ:
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The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 03:11:10 PM
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kuz
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@kylekuzma

Asking for a friend. Who gives the media this much info? You’d think the media are the ones making the trades 😂

10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018

LOL.

But actually, I'm wondering this too. Do the sources literally just follow the players and GM's around all day?? How the hell does Stephen A. Smith even know who Lebron texted?  :P

Like it's one thing for some GM's and FO to leak some rumors to reporters, but I highly doubt the players/FO tell the reporters every single thing they are doing lol.

They implanted an app or a chip in the players' phones to spy and read what they're texting. Therefore, Stephen A. Smith knows what's happening between LBJ and Durant!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 03:11:22 PM
You can do a S&T with any of your team's free agents.

But I thought there used to be a rule where S&T players could only be traded on their own (with no other players going out)? So no Smart+Morris+etc or no IT+Ingram+whatever.

Has that rule changed? Or has that never been a rule?

I don’t think that’s a rule, unless it was added in the last CBA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 03:13:14 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 28, 2018, 03:15:59 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Who?

Tupac is returning for the sequel.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
Jordan Schultz

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A source close to #LeBron tells me that #Kawhi Leonard reached out to James, telling him he very much wanted to play together. They spoke about Kawhi's lockdown defensive ability, which would alleviate pressure off of LeBron.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on June 28, 2018, 03:25:08 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif)

Love it, King of fake news tells others they are fake news bahahaha!!

Anyway who would be our back up PG when KI goes down for 20 games Larkin? :o

No, we just add one of those dime-a-dozen players I keep hearing about that can do everything Smart does
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Kuzma doesn’t sound like a very intelligent person
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
Jordan Schultz

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A source close to #LeBron tells me that #Kawhi Leonard reached out to James, telling him he very much wanted to play together. They spoke about Kawhi's lockdown defensive ability, which would alleviate pressure off of LeBron.

Good. Hope Spurs take every young player they have and future assets that way the Lakers can finish third in the west for the next 3 years followed by Lebron being to old and falling off the map talent wise!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Csfan1984 on June 28, 2018, 03:44:03 PM
Any possibility Leonard just wants out of Spurs but he doesn't want the team he goes to to be gutted trading for him so he makes up the only to LA stuff?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 03:50:50 PM
Per SI:

San Antonio has informed teams its preferred target in any Leonard trade is the Celtics' Jayson Tatum, sources say. Teams have noted this is likely a negotiating tactic, and it’s widely believed in league circles Boston is more likely to propose a deal centered around Kyrie Irving and future picks. But based on previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to overpay for Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 03:53:44 PM
per SI

Philadelphia’s internal discussions have focused on potential trade packages offering various young players and future draft selections. One team source says preliminary discussions with San Antonio revealed the Spurs have strong interest in a package involving burgeoning forwards Dario Saric and Robert Covington as well as a future first-round pick. A potential, more serious offer that Philadelphia is weighing internally includes Saric and Covington and the 2021 Miami Heat unprotected first-round pick the Sixers obtained in their draft-night deal with the Phoenix Suns.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 03:56:03 PM
Saric + Covington + #1?

Philly would take that in a second.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 03:57:16 PM
Saric + Covington + #1?

Philly would take that in a second.

Yeah...that is a pretty weak trade. Spurs would get more from the Lakers IMO. Covington is an overpaid disappearing act.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 03:57:23 PM
per SI

Philadelphia’s internal discussions have focused on potential trade packages offering various young players and future draft selections. One team source says preliminary discussions with San Antonio revealed the Spurs have strong interest in a package involving burgeoning forwards Dario Saric and Robert Covington as well as a future first-round pick. A potential, more serious offer that Philadelphia is weighing internally includes Saric and Covington and the 2021 Miami Heat unprotected first-round pick the Sixers obtained in their draft-night deal with the Phoenix Suns.

Saric is a nice piece but that is awful return for KL, Fakers can beat that!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cltc5 on June 28, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
Reports saying lakers are off the table for SA.  Likely philly or Boston
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 04:01:53 PM
So according to SI, they want either a blue chip player in Tatum, or 2 fringe starters and an unprotected pick in 50 years?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 04:02:50 PM
Reports saying lakers are off the table for SA.  Likely philly or Boston

Where do you see this?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 28, 2018, 04:07:19 PM
I do not want Kawhi in Boston. I do not want Aing to trade Tatum for a one year rental.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 04:12:00 PM
I do not want Kawhi in Boston. I do not want Aing to trade Tatum for a one year rental.

He won’t.

He might trade Brown for Kawhi’s verbal commitment.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 28, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
Think Lakers will get him, at end of day. They have too much to lose, and get the most in return.

And Lebron will join him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 04:13:46 PM
Going to be a letdown when everyone stays put...James one more year with a bad Cavs team, Leonard pouting in SA and PG13 playing second fiddle to Westbrook.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 04:13:59 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 04:15:17 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

Danny is going to lowball the Spurs until they are upfront with him about his injury and getting a commitment beyond this season. No need to float real deals until then.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on June 28, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
Think Lakers will get him, at end of day. They have too much to lose, and get the most in return.

And Lebron will join him.

I think that's what will happen too. The Lakers need to make a splash. They can't go on like this....
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 04:20:01 PM
Ainge is gonna get kahwi. Book it. The man doesn’t lose trades
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
Ainge is gonna get kahwi. Book it. The man doesn’t lose trades

This trade isn’t winnable, which is why I suspect he doesn’t get Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Shoot the J on June 28, 2018, 04:21:29 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on June 28, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
Some interesting tidbits in this Sixers going after Leonard article

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/28/kawhi-leonard-trade-nba-free-agency-spurs-76ers-celtics-lakers

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San Antonio has informed teams its preferred target in any Leonard trade is the Celtics' Jayson Tatum, sources say. Teams have noted this is likely a negotiating tactic, and it’s widely believed in league circles Boston is more likely to propose a deal centered around Kyrie Irving and future picks. But based on previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to overpay for Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
Some interesting tidbits in this Sixers going after Leonard article

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/28/kawhi-leonard-trade-nba-free-agency-spurs-76ers-celtics-lakers

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San Antonio has informed teams its preferred target in any Leonard trade is the Celtics' Jayson Tatum, sources say. Teams have noted this is likely a negotiating tactic, and it’s widely believed in league circles Boston is more likely to propose a deal centered around Kyrie Irving and future picks. But based on previous behavior, the Celtics are unlikely to overpay for Leonard.
the Cavs asked for Tatum too last summer. Ainge laughed and hung up until they came calling back

It’s funny how everyone asks for Tatum. I wonder why
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 04:26:45 PM
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long run
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on June 28, 2018, 04:27:28 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.

This x1000...while it's obviously tantalizing to draw up our 2019 lineups with Leonard penciled in...I can only think about how we're going to feel next year at this time when he's standing on a podium with Magic, all smiles while he holds up his new Laker jersey AND we look to a future of hearing about Jaylen Brown leading an invigorated and young Spurs team to the playoffs year after year.

If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for a one year rental...let them.  If we want to stay in this to make sure either the Lakers or Sixers have to....awesome.  But let's not trick ourselves here...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 04:30:54 PM
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long run
remember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2018, 04:31:29 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.

I believe Kawhi has thrown that out there (LA only) because he knows getting traded there is his most logical way there.

If he gets traded elsewhere, he may not be able to get there at all (if they sign two max free agents this summer), and even if he does, it will be for like $50 million less.

I think it’s a bluff that he definitely won’t resign anywhere else and will go to the Clippers if need be. Do you really think he would leave a defending championship squad AND leave $50M on the table in his prime to be on a non-contender in his hometown?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 04:32:39 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.

This x1000...while it's obviously tantalizing to draw up our 2019 lineups with Leonard penciled in...I can only think about how we're going to feel next year at this time when he's standing on a podium with Magic, all smiles while he holds up his new Laker jersey AND we look to a future of hearing about Jaylen Brown leading an invigorated and young Spurs team to the playoffs year after year.

If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for a one year rental...let them.  If we want to stay in this to make sure either the Lakers or Sixers have to....awesome.  But let's not trick ourselves here...

At the same time, reports this time last year were that Paul George was a lock to go to the Lakers, and now he's apparently leaning toward staying in OKC. 

I wouldn't do a trade without a promise to sign, either, but it's not as straightforward as "he's definitely going to the Lakers in a year".
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 28, 2018, 04:36:22 PM
Let's do Brown for Kawhi if we can get Davis for Tatum =).

Irving/ Hayward/ Kawhi/ Davis/ Horford

Video games are fun.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: dreamgreen on June 28, 2018, 04:36:37 PM
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long run
remember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble

That would be the only reason a trade for KL for KI would make any sense. If you thought you had a better chance of keeping KL over KI.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 04:40:08 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.

I believe Kawhi has thrown that out there (LA only) because he knows getting traded there is his most logical way there.

If he gets traded elsewhere, he may not be able to get there at all (if they sign two max free agents this summer), and even if he does, it will be for like $50 million less.

I think it’s a bluff that he definitely won’t resign anywhere else and will go to the Clippers if need be. Do you really think he would leave a defending championship squad AND leave $50M on the table in his prime to be on a non-contender in his hometown?
He's throwing away a fortune walking away from a potential supermax. So obviously, the extra $$$ isn't as important to him as getting out of San Antonio.

As quirky as things have gone with him the last year, there is nothing that can be said or done that will justify Ainge giving up a valuable asset - like Jaylen Brown - for him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 28, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
two things are in play

Spurs absolutely don't want to rebuild the Lakers to contender status ,  at the same time they move him OUT of the West .   This also might KEEP Lebron pinned down in Clevland out of the West . The NBA likes this too ....more parity

Second ....IMO Celtics and 76 ers have the most attractive packages to offer

If I were the Spurs ,   that list about tops anything Lakers or Clipper could provide .




IMO ...Lebron seems hesitant to jump ship to Lakers with no stars there this year , that means another year wasted waiting for George and or Kawhi to show up .  Then amybe another year to put it all together and contend.  James will be 36-37 by that time.  His fast way to a ring is Boston, Houston , or Philly . 

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long run
remember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble

That would be the only reason a trade for KL for KI would make any sense. If you thought you had a better chance of keeping KL over KI.
Agreed, although I don't know how anyone can get that sense at all.

Also, we'd have 4 guys with similar skill sets, none of them a point guard. We'd likely have a follow up trade sending someone else out to patch the hole left by trading Kyrie.

There is no move involving Leonard that doesn't carry a mountain of risk with it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 28, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
Kinda comes down to how adamant Kawhi is about being a Laker . 

I would want a meeting with him face to face if Im Danny and CBS
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 28, 2018, 04:48:14 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Shoot the J on June 28, 2018, 04:49:30 PM
Feels like the Lakers get it done in the long run
remember when George asked to be traded to lakers last season? He changed his mind. Kyrie wanted Knicks. He changed his mind. Ainge is going to gamble

He had no choice but to go where the Pacers sent him, and now he's opted out. In a week, we will know if he changed his mind or not.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on June 28, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
Kawhi has let everyone know he plans on signing with LA.

Nothing of value should be offered. We don't have assets to burn. We got this roster and the team everyone wants to trade with because we haven't done stupid things like give up good players and picks for a one year rental.

I'll admit I did not read all 60 pages of this thread, but I have not seen enough comments like the one above.
I understand why such a talented player is coveted by many teams, but there are real concerns here. Between the way he handled last year, the extent of the injury that limited him to 7(?) games, and the fact that he has all but committed to the Lakers next year, I don't know why anybody is bothering trying to trade for him.

This x1000...while it's obviously tantalizing to draw up our 2019 lineups with Leonard penciled in...I can only think about how we're going to feel next year at this time when he's standing on a podium with Magic, all smiles while he holds up his new Laker jersey AND we look to a future of hearing about Jaylen Brown leading an invigorated and young Spurs team to the playoffs year after year.

If someone wants to pay a kings ransom for a one year rental...let them.  If we want to stay in this to make sure either the Lakers or Sixers have to....awesome.  But let's not trick ourselves here...

At the same time, reports this time last year were that Paul George was a lock to go to the Lakers, and now he's apparently leaning toward staying in OKC. 

I wouldn't do a trade without a promise to sign, either, but it's not as straightforward as "he's definitely going to the Lakers in a year".

Sure...you always take that risk when an athlete would prefer in a perfect world to play somewhere else.  But can you think of another situation where a player has been this open about wanting to play in a specific city or for a specific franchise AND is coming off a situation where there are legitimate questions about how far he's willing to go to manipulate a trade from his current team.  Sure, he could love Boston and decide to stay.  But are we really willing to gamble Jaylen Brown and a #1 pick for that?

After what we've all seen this season, how much value would you even place in a Kawhi promise to sign?  I mean, it's not legally binding....and let's be honest, it doesn't really seem like Kawhi cares what the general NBA community thinks about him, so I don't think a promise to Danny Ainge is going to really stop him from doing what he ultimately wants to do.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 04:56:27 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 05:04:19 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.

Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 05:11:42 PM
Via Sports Illustrated’s Jake Fischer:

While Leonard’s camp has made it clear the former Defensive Player of the Year prefers Los Angeles and the Lakers, a source close to the situation says the Southern California native is open to playing in other major markets. Leonard’s suboptimal contract extension discussions with Jordan Brand in March signaled the importance of playing in a larger market, and the Spurs star would be open to playing in Boston and New York, the source said.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on June 28, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.

Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: bopna on June 28, 2018, 05:20:14 PM
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 28, 2018, 05:22:12 PM
If Kawhi is really going to stay, I'd bump it up to Brown + Smart and dare them to do better. Maybe hold a draft pick in reserve.

If we're *not* paying Brown or Smart, there's a future state where we basically have our Big 4 deals (Irving, Hayward, Kawhi, Horford) plus the entire roster on rookie or smaller deals (Tatum, Yabusele option, Ojeyele option, Rozier RFA, Williams, '19 picks).

Baynes, Morris, Theis and Wanamaker all 1-year bridges before the new deals.

Especially if Horford works out a new extension, it's doable $$-wise compared to what CLE and GS have been up to lately.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on June 28, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.

Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.

If Danny gets assurance that Kawhi is open to signing an extension, then everyone short of Hayward, Kyrie, Horford and Tatum should be on the table. Get the deal done.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on June 28, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
Leave our team as is..we was one game away from finals and w/o kyrie & hayward..let Warriors, Lakers & Houston battle it out..we only have to play one of them in the Finals 😁
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on June 28, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
It's been reported everywhere that Kawhi isn't giving any assurance to anyone other than LAL.

Either this is just SAS posturing for Laker concessions, or Danny Ainge is insane.

until now?

https://twitter.com/redsarmy_john/status/1012432719236812802?s=21

New Post:  Report: Kawhi Leonard open to playing in other markets (i.e. Boston): Via Sports

If this is true, then it may force Danny to increase his offer.

Will Kawhi sign a 4 or 5 yr extension with Boston? If so, I'm listening. But I still want to keep Tatum.
Current thinking is that Tatum is safe but Brown is not.

If Danny gets assurance that Kawhi is open to signing an extension, then everyone short of Hayward, Kyrie, Horford and Tatum should be on the table. Get the deal done.

It doesn't make financial sense for him to sign an extension. He's going to go to free agency in 2019 no matter where he's traded.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cltc5 on June 28, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.

It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency.  It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win.  Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on June 28, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
Kawhi cannot be reached for comment.....due to the cruise he is on.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Have the Spurs given other teams permission to talk to Kawhi's agent? If not, I can't imagine any deal is close.  This despite the fact that the C. Paul trade was agreed to on the 28th of last year, George was traded on the 1st, etc. 

An added confound is that Kawhi's uncle is his 'agent,' though I think it's unclear if he's his primary agent or not.  If the latter, teams may have been bold enough to have already had discussions with his camp.  And the Lakers have been calling him for months, regardless.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: td450 on June 28, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
If this happens, and we trade Brown, I'm going to be very disappointed. We'll have a better shot at a title next year, but I don't know how they hold a contraption like this together longer term.

I very much would prefer to watch this team as a fan instead of a fantasy league player, and see Tatum and Brown grow together and lead this team for a decade.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Who?

Tupac is returning for the sequel.

Reports out of SA that Popovich is considering a package headlined by Kyle Lee Watson.  Motaw, Shep and Flip needed to match salaries.   
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Mike Pemulis on June 28, 2018, 06:17:30 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Who?

Tupac is returning for the sequel.

Reports out of SA that Popovich is considering a package headlined by Kyle Lee Watson.  Motaw, Shep and Flip needed to match salaries.
You hear that, Nutso? The boy here says he owes me.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 28, 2018, 06:18:24 PM
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.

It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency.  It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win.  Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.

If you arent getting a long term assurance u dont do Brown for Leonard straight up. Brown is not a projected as a solid bench scorer, he is better than that right now and still only 21.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
Why do I get the feeling the spurs want to deal with Boston but the Celtics are slow playing them
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 06:23:53 PM
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kuz
Verified account
@kylekuzma

Asking for a friend. Who gives the media this much info? You’d think the media are the ones making the trades 😂

10:06 AM - 28 Jun 2018

LOL.

But actually, I'm wondering this too. Do the sources literally just follow the players and GM's around all day?? How the hell does Stephen A. Smith even know who Lebron texted?  :P

Like it's one thing for some GM's and FO to leak some rumors to reporters, but I highly doubt the players/FO tell the reporters every single thing they are doing lol.

They implanted an app or a chip in the players' phones to spy and read what they're texting. Therefore, Stephen A. Smith knows what's happening between LBJ and Durant!

Actually, he doesn't. His claim was proven wrong just a few hours ago. Never happened  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Diggles on June 28, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
I do not think you can ad other players with the sign n trade situation?   Can someone verify that?   
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 28, 2018, 06:31:36 PM
Spurs want a better haul than Kyrie and George got. Good luck with that considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.

It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency.  It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win.  Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.
also we can try to replace him with either the sac pick or a free agent like klay Thompson . Or worst case someone like reddick

 Not ideal but I can see the thought process
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2018, 06:32:41 PM
I do not think you can ad other players with the sign n trade situation?   Can someone verify that?

Not true.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Diggles on June 28, 2018, 06:36:26 PM
Thanks Roy...whats the deal with a sign and trade.  I thought you could not combine another player going out in that trade? 

Because this then gets my creative juices flowing. 

I can see a three way trade where we ship out Kyrie and get longer contracts in Ingram, Randel, Kuzman and picks....While Leonard moves to LA.    And we gain some cap space too.    Who knows... Danny is brilliant.   
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 06:37:22 PM
Problem is how do you get him to commit if he opts out next yr... Which he will and he will not negotiate any extensions so he does not lose out money wise... Verbal commitments are meh in this day and age.. For all we know he could pull a Boozer.. Commit but not really on the eleventh hour.

It’s risky but if your only giving up brown, if he walks your left with replacing a solid bench scorer. which they could potentially get via sign/trade for Kawhi next year or free agency.  It’s not ideal but bringing in him and only losing brown and maybe a pick you gotta think that puts them in the title picture as a win.  Winning would be enough for him to stay I’d hope.

If you arent getting a long term assurance u dont do Brown for Leonard straight up. Brown is not a projected as a solid bench scorer, he is better than that right now and still only 21.
I don't get the thought process some have that losing Brown is no big deal.

Players like him don't grow on trees. I don't want a team with a 1 year window. I want a team to compete long term, and throwing away young players for headcases, even one as talented as KL, makes little sense.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 28, 2018, 06:37:30 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.

The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.

Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.

It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 06:39:31 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.

The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.

Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.

It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors

Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
Above the rim now reports a combo of smart, rozier, brown, morris, and two firsts.  Any combination that works.  Waiting for a long term commit from Leonard.

Who?

Tupac is returning for the sequel.

Reports out of SA that Popovich is considering a package headlined by Kyle Lee Watson.  Motaw, Shep and Flip needed to match salaries.
You hear that, Nutso? The boy here says he owes me.

HE owes ME!  Are we even? ARE WE EVEN? You don't owe me nothin. You owe yourself and ones who cared to get you here.


Classic, never gets old.  :)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 28, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.

The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.

Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.

It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors

Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.

If i'm San Antonio I think I'd rather have Kuzma than a mid-late 1st.

I was doing some cap math... which is always dangerous...  :D

Assuming the Lakers trade for Kawhi and literally gut their entire team and strip all salary, if they were to absorb Faried's $14M that should indeed take them out of the running for both LeBron and George unless they take a $5M discount.

Faried $14M
Kawhi $20M
LeBron max $35M
George max $30M
8 additional cap hold roster spots $7M total

That adds up to $106M against a $101M cap.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 28, 2018, 07:34:01 PM
This is a little off topic, but tangentially related

Apparently in his new documentary Paul George mentions the Celtics along with the Lakers and Clippers as teams he's like to play for.

That doesn't really seem financially feasible, but at the very least it shows how much league opinions of this organization have changed.

https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1012465785892032512
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 07:37:29 PM
This is a little off topic, but tangentially related

Apparently in his new documentary Paul George mentions the Celtics along with the Lakers and Clippers as teams he's like to play for.

That doesn't really seem financially feasible, but at the very least it shows how much league opinions of this organization have changed.

https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1012465785892032512

Not far fetched, considering we were angling to try to get Hayward with George.

A
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mid all the noise, George remains in Indiana (for the time being) and team president Larry Bird has expressed his desire to continue to build around his star player. And according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe, George reportedly has a player in mind of who he’d like to join forces with. “George would love to play with hometown boy Gordon Hayward, according to sources,” Lowe writes. Hayward is an Indianapolis native and played collegiately at Butler. Joining the Pacers would be a homecoming of sorts for the Utah Jazz forward, but Lowe reports it’s “unlikely” that takes place. Hayward is set to become a free agent at the conclusion of the season, though, so moving on from Utah wouldn’t be a stretch of the imagination. Hayward’s head coach at Butler was current Celtics head coach Brad Stevens, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Boston kicked the tires on Hayward this summer.

Read more at: https://nesn.com/2017/03/nba-rumors-pacers-star-paul-george-wants-to-play-with-gordon-hayward/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 28, 2018, 07:37:33 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.

The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.

Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.

It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors

Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.

If i'm San Antonio I think I'd rather have Kuzma than a mid-late 1st.

I was doing some cap math... which is always dangerous...  :D

Assuming the Lakers trade for Kawhi and literally gut their entire team and strip all salary, if they were to absorb Faried's $14M that should indeed take them out of the running for both LeBron and George unless they take a $5M discount.

Faried $14M
Kawhi $20M
LeBron max $35M
George max $30M
8 additional cap hold roster spots $7M total

That adds up to $106M against a $101M cap.
How are you getting rid of Deng's contract?  That's going to cost a lot.  If somehow they could get to what you are proposing, they could always waive and stretch Faried's contract over 3 years. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on June 28, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.

While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on June 28, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
I'm not buying the Sixers rumor. Spurs are "strongly interested" in Covington, Saric and 2021 Heat Pick? That's it??!?!?

My guess is, by adding emphasis to the pick, the Spurs are pushing for a draft pick IN addition to Kuzma, Ingram and Randle (S&T). Or Hart. Either Hart or a pick as the fourth asset.

The WaPo is reporting the Lakers and Nuggets are in discussions to send Faried and/or Wilson Chandler and Darrell Arthur to the Lakers along with a draft pick as a salary dump to avoid luxury tax. All are expiring contracts.

Faried alone has a salary of $13.7M.

It would appear the Lakers want the pick to sweeter the pot for San Antonio. But wouldn't this acquisition effectively eliminate their ability to sign both James and George?

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/6/28/17516016/rumor-denver-nuggets-interested-in-salary-dump-with-los-angeles-lakers-nba-trade-rumors

Pretty sure it would, but as Woj tweeted yesterday, this move would mean they can trade for Kawhi and have space for 1 max FA, but could also allow them to keep one of Kuzma/Ingram (not trade both to SAS). I think there's belief that PG13 actually stays in OKC. I'd be shocked if he does, but honestly idk anymore lol.

If i'm San Antonio I think I'd rather have Kuzma than a mid-late 1st.

I was doing some cap math... which is always dangerous...  :D

Assuming the Lakers trade for Kawhi and literally gut their entire team and strip all salary, if they were to absorb Faried's $14M that should indeed take them out of the running for both LeBron and George unless they take a $5M discount.

Faried $14M
Kawhi $20M
LeBron max $35M
George max $30M
8 additional cap hold roster spots $7M total

That adds up to $106M against a $101M cap.
How are you getting rid of Deng's contract?  That's going to cost a lot.  If somehow they could get to what you are proposing, they could always waive and stretch Faried's contract over 3 years.

Presumably they'd have to include Lonzo to rid themselves of Deng.

I forgot about the stretch, that would get them just below where they'd need to be.

But then all they'd have to fill out the roster would be would be the mid-level exception, the biannual exception, and minimum salary slots. That team would be paper-thin. A couple injuries and they would be totally hosed, third-stringers get exposed quickly in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 28, 2018, 08:03:13 PM
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.

While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.

Same here.

I wonder if a sign and trade around Smart and Brown and/or picks would suffice?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on June 28, 2018, 08:12:06 PM
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.

While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.

I would as well- especially with a sign and trade that guarantees him here for four years.

My heart still wants Brown here but maybe Smart and Brown with Westbrook could make sense and might work with a pick.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nostar on June 28, 2018, 08:17:29 PM
I'm not sure if Ainge would give up Brown for a rental year of Leonard, but I'm a little surprised that so many people think it's out of the question he would do it.

My feeling is that Brown is a borderline all star, which might be why I feel like he's not untouchable. I really like him. He's young, aggressive, and chocked full of potential. I think his floor is Luol Deng, and despite Deng's current albatross contract and crumpled body (Thibs!), he was a really good player for about a decade. Somewhere between Luol Deng and Kawhi Leonard feels like where he'll end up.

That said, a healthy Kawhi on the C's next year puts us at the level of the Warriors and that just isn't something you pass up. Even if Kawhi leaves in 2019 we'd get a really good shot at #18 this year, potentially a better shot that we'd have in any of the subsequent years with Jaylen.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'm saying I don't think it's as outrageous to consider.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 08:21:44 PM
Have the Spurs given other teams permission to talk to Kawhi's agent? If not, I can't imagine any deal is close.  This despite the fact that the C. Paul trade was agreed to on the 28th of last year, George was traded on the 1st, etc. 

An added confound is that Kawhi's uncle is his 'agent,' though I think it's unclear if he's his primary agent or not.  If the latter, teams may have been bold enough to have already had discussions with his camp.  And the Lakers have been calling him for months, regardless.

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/MkxZKy77sWoEw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on June 28, 2018, 08:23:13 PM
This is a little off topic, but tangentially related

Apparently in his new documentary Paul George mentions the Celtics along with the Lakers and Clippers as teams he's like to play for.

That doesn't really seem financially feasible, but at the very least it shows how much league opinions of this organization have changed.

https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1012465785892032512

Love Kawhi over George in a vacuum, BUT....

1. Is Kawhi capable of playing anywhere near his former level?
2. If the answer is yes, his stubbornness about coming back to play this past season is a huge red flag for me. (Uncle like LaVar influence?)
3. Will he re-sign with us?

George seems fully recovered from his injury and could cost less in assets in a S&T with OKC.

Both unlikely to happen, I know.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on June 28, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
Ainge wont lose this game

They want JB? Well if Leonard and agent promises to stay long term , he will

If they dont guarantee the best Spurs will receive are picks (and not even the Kings pick)

Lakers sound like they will offer one of Ingram, Kuzma but not both. And have no worthwhile 1sts
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 28, 2018, 09:11:02 PM
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.

While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.

Same here.

I wonder if a sign and trade around Smart and Brown and/or picks would suffice?

Im probably in the minority here but i  would straight up rather have Brown than George. I dont dispute that George is a better player right now but im not sure the gap will be huge next season assuming Brown makes another even moderate size leap and given age and contract I would just rather have Brown. Then factor in that Georges stengths are some what mitagated by having a guy in Hayward that already does what he does largely. I get trading Brown for Kawhi, I dont love it but I get it. Those MVP level guys are tradiionally needed to win. George isnt that, and if we are gonna trade young player or assets we do it for an MVP level player. Nothing less.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 09:12:26 PM
To be honest, I would take George over Kawhi. Now before you raise your pitchforks, at least George has the better mentality, and at least told the Pacers that he wanted to be traded. He didn't selectively choose the Lakers as his only destination, thus eroding any trade value he had, (at the time Oladipo/Sabonis wasn't considered a great deal,) and he seems like he is still the solid 2nd/3rd go to option. In our offense, he would be most likely 2nd or even leading in assists in our team. He's a willing passer with the knack to knock down shots, and in our switch heavy defense, he would be playing so many passing lanes for easy steals.

While Kawhi is undoubtedly still a top 7 MVP player when healthy, I'm not sure his baggage and his attitude is worth taking on anymore.

Same here.

I wonder if a sign and trade around Smart and Brown and/or picks would suffice?

HUH?? Jaylen in a trade for Paul George? HELL NO.

Honestly I think that ship has sailed anyways. I like George (as a #2 guy on a championship team) but since he opted-out, it's just not financially feasible anymore.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 28, 2018, 09:18:19 PM
I'm not sure if Ainge would give up Brown for a rental year of Leonard, but I'm a little surprised that so many people think it's out of the question he would do it.

My feeling is that Brown is a borderline all star, which might be why I feel like he's not untouchable. I really like him. He's young, aggressive, and chocked full of potential. I think his floor is Luol Deng, and despite Deng's current albatross contract and crumpled body (Thibs!), he was a really good player for about a decade. Somewhere between Luol Deng and Kawhi Leonard feels like where he'll end up.

That said, a healthy Kawhi on the C's next year puts us at the level of the Warriors and that just isn't something you pass up. Even if Kawhi leaves in 2019 we'd get a really good shot at #18 this year, potentially a better shot that we'd have in any of the subsequent years with Jaylen.

I'm not saying I'd do it, but I'm saying I don't think it's as outrageous to consider.

You may have a better shot in 19 than any subsecuentes year with Jaylen, but the mear cumulative effective of another 6 controlable years means with Jaylen means he's easily more value added towards a chip than Kawhi for just one year.   And if you think Jaylen is a border line all star type thats fine, but the fact his best case scenario as better than that (solid all star, all nba) has to be factoresd in to.

I think we are also massively underselling the Kawhi injury factor. I keep on seeing people say this is a no brainer if Kawhi is the guy from 16-17. But I dont think there anyway you can be sure of that, given how many time ive seen "degenerative" used to describe this injury. Even with assurance from Kawhi (which I dont think we get) about resigning, this is a mássive ver on the health of a player who might never be the same again.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 09:56:41 PM
Ainge wont lose this game

They want JB? Well if Leonard and agent promises to stay long term , he will

If they dont guarantee the best Spurs will receive are picks (and not even the Kings pick)

Lakers sound like they will offer one of Ingram, Kuzma but not both. And have no worthwhile 1sts
Why would you think that? The minute you make the trade Kawhi is under zero obligation to do anything next year.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 10:00:24 PM
I wouldn't trade any of our top 5 players for Paul George. Certainly not straight up.

I believe the chatter we're hearing about PG staying in OKC is because LAL are slow playing him to see if they can get Lebron and Kawhi. IMO, PG is just a fall back option for them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
Anyone have a strong feeling Danny is going to end up with Leonard? It’s starting to feel real
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 28, 2018, 10:41:34 PM
Anyone have a strong feeling Danny is going to end up with Leonard? It’s starting to feel real

I'm 100% feeling that Danny and the C's will NOT trade for Kawhi, period.  :P
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 28, 2018, 10:42:39 PM
Anyone have a strong feeling Danny is going to end up with Leonard? It’s starting to feel real

That's what some of us felt about Jimmy Butler and Paul George last year.

Luckily, Gordon Hayward was real and I remember that wait was atrocious.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Have the Spurs given other teams permission to talk to Kawhi's agent? If not, I can't imagine any deal is close.  This despite the fact that the C. Paul trade was agreed to on the 28th of last year, George was traded on the 1st, etc. 

An added confound is that Kawhi's uncle is his 'agent,' though I think it's unclear if he's his primary agent or not.  If the latter, teams may have been bold enough to have already had discussions with his camp.  And the Lakers have been calling him for months, regardless.

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/MkxZKy77sWoEw/giphy.gif)

Not sure, tbh.  Always hard to parse speculation from truth at this time of year.  It'll be interesting to see.  TP, tar.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tstorey_97 on June 28, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.

Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.

Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract  would.

Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.

Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?

I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.

Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown

If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.

Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?

Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.

If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 28, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.

Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.

Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract  would.

Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.

Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?

I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.

Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown

If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.

Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?

Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.

If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
tp

It’s an interesting thought and interesting lineup

Ainge might kill the point guard and go full wing
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fred Roberts on June 28, 2018, 11:25:08 PM
Seems like a much better shot to resign Kyrie than Kawhi, even though both are locked in for 1 season. Never thought I'd say no to someone like Kawhi.

Smart + Memphis pick + Yabs + Morris? I suppose, yes.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 28, 2018, 11:27:40 PM
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.

Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.

Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract  would.

Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.

Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?

I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.

Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown

If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.

Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?

Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.

If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
That lineup ain't working. Kyrie would be much more valuable to that lineup than Kawhi. The only way you make that trade is if you think you have a better shot at resigning KL than KI.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on June 28, 2018, 11:40:22 PM
One point of the Leonard discussion that keeps repeating here....Ainge isn't going to trade Brown for a rental.

Stop it. Stop saying it, it isn't going to happen.

Ainge might make a deal for Leonard's last year that would involve no important Celtics starter except Irving who also, only has one year and thus has no more value to the Celtics than Leonard on his final year of his contract  would.

Ainge is working on getting acknowledged as one of the top NBA execs of all time. Stop saying he's going to "trade Brown for a rental" and focus on what he might actually be doing in this Leonard deal. It is far more interesting.

Is Ainge just trying to mess with the deal to hurt the Lakers? Or, any other team? Is his tactic to try and drive Leonard's price higher?

I don't think those are the reasons. Ainge may have a deal that does not involve Leonard and this debate might have an impact on that deal.

Leonard
Hayward
Horford
Tatum
Bown

If Irving goes out there's your line up. Is this what Ainge wants? Believe it or not? It works financially.

Is the timing for this roster correct? Are Tatum and Brown NBA title game ready? Well? Would you bet your life on it?

Can this roster beat GSW? It is Ainge's job to win a title not assemble draft picks and young players for an unidentified point in the future. Ainge has all these assets to get the transcendent player(s) that will win the title now.

If Leonard and this roster can get them a title this year? It is Ainge's responsibility to get him and if you think that Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for one year of Leonard just what have you been smoking for the last 15+ years?
tp

It’s an interesting thought and interesting lineup

Ainge might kill the point guard and go full wing

Wut?  Are you saying that it's Ainge's responsibility to get Leonard, even for one year if it means this roster (+ Leonard) can get a title this year............or are you saying anyone accusing Ainge of considering exactly that hasn't been paying attention?  Because it seems like you're saying both in those last two paragraphs.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on June 29, 2018, 01:30:44 AM
No worries guys, I channeled my inner NBA Live and solved everything:

Hayward, BOS19 to SA
Tatum, Green, SAC19, MEM19, LAC19 to NO
Kawhi, Davis to BOS

San Antonio gets 3 years of Hayward to ditch Kawhi, plus a pick.
NO gets the best deal they'll ever see for Davis: Tatum and triple 1st rounders.
BOS gets two superstars and Davis is $10M cheaper than Hayward + Tatum next summer.

Kyrie/ Brown/ Kawhi/ Horford/ Davis FTW.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 29, 2018, 01:31:01 AM
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.

Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 01:32:50 AM
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.

Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.

Yeah, that guy seems full of it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on June 29, 2018, 01:50:37 AM
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.

Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.

kyrie or kawhi?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSooner on June 29, 2018, 03:21:41 AM
Spurs beat reporter on podcast said Kyrie would prefer Philly to Boston, wouldn’t re-sign with Celtics. Also said Spurs should hang up on Danny unless he includes Tatum, Brown and a pick.

Personally think the guy is full of it but thought I’d post.

Jabari Young, comes off as a know it all. Pretty much threw Pop under a bus as well. Philly guy that says he’s not biased but his tone said otherwise.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 29, 2018, 03:53:49 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Androslav on June 29, 2018, 03:57:56 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.
Even if we don't land him it is useful to drive his price up.
Philly, Lakers...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 29, 2018, 04:13:03 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on June 29, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
I didn't see this anywhere in the thread so I'll post it. At 1:12 yesterday, Mark Murphy tweeted:

Quote
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 09:42:49 AM
I didn't see this anywhere in the thread so I'll post it. At 1:12 yesterday, Mark Murphy tweeted:

Quote
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.

It’s buried somewhere in here but worth reiterating.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 29, 2018, 09:50:45 AM
I didn't see this anywhere in the thread so I'll post it. At 1:12 yesterday, Mark Murphy tweeted:

Quote
Speaking to league executive, one thing is clear. Celtics have not received any assurances from Kawhi Leonard that he wants to com here.

It’s buried somewhere in here but worth reiterating.
x 1000
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 29, 2018, 09:54:51 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 29, 2018, 10:50:02 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.

I agree with your well stated sentiments regarding loyalty to his players.  But Danny seems to have a pretty open communication with his players (e.g., Rozier on draft night) and I'm sure is careful to let them know whether the rumors are false or not.

Now whether they believe him is another story altogether!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on June 29, 2018, 10:55:10 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.

I agree with your well stated sentiments regarding loyalty to his players.  But Danny seems to have a pretty open communication with his players (e.g., Rozier on draft night) and I'm sure is careful to let them know whether the rumors are false or not.

Now whether they believe him is another story altogether!

I doubt he shares anything with them.

They are all multimillionaire professional entertainers, and they realize that part of the job is that they may be required to relocate to another city to do their entertaining.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nostar on June 29, 2018, 11:31:58 AM
This is too much:

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848

I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.

If a team that is trying to put together a championship roster gets major talent at a below market cost, that a) gives them additional resources to pursue additional talent and b) means that the Celtics perhaps missed out on acquiring said talent themselves at a reduced rate.  I agree that it doesn’t matter if it’s the Lakers compared to the Warriors, Rockets, Cavs (with LeBron), Raptors, or Sixers, but there is always benefit to the Celtics to make sure that competitors are paying the full price for MVP-caliber players, if they are ultimately going to wind up with them anyway.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on June 29, 2018, 11:59:09 AM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.

If a team that is trying to put together a championship roster gets major talent at a below market cost, that a) gives them additional resources to pursue additional talent and b) means that the Celtics perhaps missed out on acquiring said talent themselves at a reduced rate.  I agree that it doesn’t matter if it’s the Lakers compared to the Warriors, Rockets, Cavs (with LeBron), Raptors, or Sixers, but there is always benefit to the Celtics to make sure that competitors are paying the full price for MVP-caliber players, if they are ultimately going to wind up with them anyway.

I agree. I think its a good play, if thats what is going on. I dont think the risk of alienating a player like Brown is that high mostly because I trust Ainge to comunícate and keep things like that from escalating.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on June 29, 2018, 12:16:04 PM
This is too much:

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848

I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.

Why would they wish him HBD when clearly he's not returning and he burned bridges with that organization lol. Hope he has a horrible birthday unless he's going to Boston with a long-term commitment.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on June 29, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
Does anybody else think we are being used as leverage? It comes out that Spurs are trading Leonard, and immediately its the Celtics and Lakers reported as involved. This is the spurs signaling to the Lakers to start the bidding, and bring your A game because your hated rival with a ton of assets is in this thing. Then names like Brown, Irving get thrown around and the Celtics leak that Brown isn't on the table because they don't wnat to p--- him off and make him think he's in trade talks. We saw how Irving responded to that in Cle last year. Its not worth it to drive up the price on LA if you alienate a young star. Furthermore now we see reports that the Celtics and Spurs have barely even spoken about Kawhi, and no real offers have been made. It seems obvious that the Spurs and Lakers are really negotiating, and it makes sense because thats where Kawhi wants to go, and the Lakers are desperate (a lot more so then the Celtics or 76ers). In the end Kawhi will get traded there for a Ingram, Kuzma, draft pick package is my guess.

Yep, fine by me. Ainge should tell Buford to go crazy with leaked rumors. Both Ainge and Buford want the same thing: the Lakers pay through the nose for him. If we can help with that, we will. If Ainge is worried about players like Brown or Irving getting peeved that they are reportedly being offered, shoot them a text and say don’t sweat it, you’re not going anywhere.

And if the Lakers won’t pony up, maybe we will swoop in.

Win-win for us.
I'm sorry, but why on earth do you think it benefits us in the least for the Lakers to over pay?

This isn't the 80s. The Lakers are almost utterly inconsequential to the Celtics right now. If I'm Ainge, I'd rather be concerned with showing a little  loyalty to my best players. He's on the verge of building a championship contender and lets the media portray it as if he's dying to tear it apart for a one year rental.

I agree with your well stated sentiments regarding loyalty to his players.  But Danny seems to have a pretty open communication with his players (e.g., Rozier on draft night) and I'm sure is careful to let them know whether the rumors are false or not.

Now whether they believe him is another story altogether!

I doubt he shares anything with them.

They are all multimillionaire professional entertainers, and they realize that part of the job is that they may be required to relocate to another city to do their entertaining.

Yeah, I know that IT, Ray, Antoine and Avery all felt pretty blindsided.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 29, 2018, 12:27:06 PM
This is too much:

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848

I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.

Why would they wish him HBD when clearly he's not returning and he burned bridges with that organization lol. Hope he has a horrible birthday unless he's going to Boston with a long-term commitment.

At this point, they have nothing to lose and can make another public showing that they want him to stay.

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on June 29, 2018, 12:36:29 PM
This is too much:

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1012718759356878848

I honestly feel bad for them. Not that I think they're blameless, but it's a tough spot for a seemingly good franchise.

Why would they wish him HBD when clearly he's not returning and he burned bridges with that organization lol. Hope he has a horrible birthday unless he's going to Boston with a long-term commitment.

At this point, they have nothing to lose and can make another public showing that they want him to stay.

Mike

Or that their account is ran by one of their social media millennials who doesn't really follow the team (especially during the off-season), but does know that the Trello board shows 6/28: "Prep birthday graphic for K.Leonard" and 6/29: "Post birthday content for K.Leonard".  I'm confident if he had been traded over the weekend, he would have still received birthday wishes from GoSpursGo!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 29, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on June 29, 2018, 01:30:38 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.

Just drivin' up that price for the Lakers...

Mike
Title: Kawhi Leonard has reached out to LeBron expressed interest in playing together
Post by: j804 on June 29, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/source-kawhi-leonard-reaches-lebron-james-hopes-play-210550904.html

Hurry up and go to the Lakers LeBron get it over with. Did I mention I loved Kawhi but now hate him? Lol
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on June 29, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.

Reports from where? If there's no source, you're just adding to the noise.

The Cavs discussing Kyrie in trade packages was the beginning of him wanting out. I don't see the Celtics going down the exact same road with Kawhi being such a risk to bolt to the Lakers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cltc5 on June 29, 2018, 05:29:04 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.

Reports from where? If there's no source, you're just adding to the noise.

The Cavs discussing Kyrie in trade packages was the beginning of him wanting out. I don't see the Celtics going down the exact same road with Kawhi being such a risk to bolt to the Lakers.

And every source is accurate too ::)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on June 29, 2018, 05:48:18 PM

Spurs Privately Acknowledge Relationship With Kawhi Leonard Cannot Be Repaired

The San Antonio Spurs preferred retaining Kawhi Leonard this offseason and hoped to repair the relationship. Leonard has been adamant in his trade demand and the Spurs have given up the hope of keeping him.

"I was told yesterday in pretty strong terms they're ready to move on," said Marc Stein on The Dan Patrick Show. "They know this relationship cannot be repaired. This is beyond Pop and Kawhi meeting face to face and fixing it as Pop was able to do with LaMarcus Aldridge last summer. It is pretty much gone at this point."

The Spurs are now open to trading Leonard but are not in a rush.

The Los Angeles Lakers are Leonard's preferred destination but the Philadelphia 76ers are another team that is seeking a trade for Leonard.

"Philadelphia badly wants him," said Stein.

https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1012795341232488448
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 29, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 29, 2018, 05:56:26 PM
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.
It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sketch5 on June 29, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.

I think he was, but since the Bill Simmons show, and after Hayward said something about them talking and getting excited for the season, and after he's talked to Stevens, I don't think he's being movie now. But who knows with DA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on June 29, 2018, 06:21:02 PM
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.
It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.

Heard he’d be more inclined to re-up there, especially if Lebron joined him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on June 29, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
Lonzo Ball injured (torn meniscus). Will likely return by Training Camp.

LaVar trying to make sure Lonzo doesn't get traded  :laugh:
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on June 29, 2018, 09:42:01 PM
Would Philly consider trading Simmons for Kawhi if Lebron committed to join them? Spurs would do it. Philly would be favored in East, maybe overall. That team would be tough. Plus you avoid the bad mix of Lebron and Simmons.
It would be crazy to give up one of your two franchise players, under lock and key for years, for a guy with only one year left. Doesn't matter what Kawhi says, Philly can't take that risk.

Heard he’d be more inclined to re-up there, especially if Lebron joined him.
Wasn't the rationale for him in Philly that his uncle is in NJ or some such?

Maybe he's more likely, but I don't see how they can gamble with Simmons. That's like betting your 401K. No matter how deeply the odds are stacked in your favor, you can't afford to lose.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 30, 2018, 09:06:59 PM
Yeah Lonzo can't be valid trade bait now with the injured meniscus.  So Lakers will find it even tougher to provide a matching trade deal for Leonard.  They are gonna have to give up a treasure chest -- Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, maybe even Randall to make the salaries match.  Is that kind of gutting of the roster worth it for Leonard when they could theoretically just wait a year?

But the other question, will Lebron be willing to goto LA Lakers alone, without having a star like Leonard or George in place willing to go with him right away?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2018, 09:35:22 PM
Yeah Lonzo can't be valid trade bait now with the injured meniscus.  So Lakers will find it even tougher to provide a matching trade deal for Leonard.  They are gonna have to give up a treasure chest -- Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, maybe even Randall to make the salaries match.  Is that kind of gutting of the roster worth it for Leonard when they could theoretically just wait a year?

But the other question, will Lebron be willing to goto LA Lakers alone, without having a star like Leonard or George in place willing to go with him right away?

I really don’t think so, which Is why when word gets out about George staying in OKC I can see LAL getting desperate and giving SAS everything they ask for Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 01:51:57 PM
Looking more and more like Kawhi is headed to the 76ers, with LeBron James connected (meeting with reps):


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The #76ers interest in Kawhi Leonard “remains strong,” a league source confirms. The #Spurs, per multiple league sources, remain motivated to trade Leonard.

9:33 AM - 1 Jul 2018
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on July 01, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
Looking more and more like Kawhi is headed to the 76ers, with LeBron James connected (meeting with reps):


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The #76ers interest in Kawhi Leonard “remains strong,” a league source confirms. The #Spurs, per multiple league sources, remain motivated to trade Leonard.

9:33 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Or the 76ers are leaking this info as they meet with LeBron's reps so they can spin it as a selling point.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
Either this is all legit or it is all theater for clicks
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 01, 2018, 05:15:58 PM
If Spurs trade Leonard to PHI they'd better ask for the farm. And the goats, chickens, horses and the farmer's son and daughter.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 05:31:50 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 01, 2018, 05:41:42 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.


I like the trade with Fultz, Saric, Covington and picks.  I think the East needs another good team and it’s the right thing— even if it means a harder road to the Finals for the C’s.  I absolutely LOVE the prospect that the Lakers will not be rewarded for creating cap space.  But I’ll believe it when it happens.

It doesn’t surprise me that KL would commit to long-term with Philly.  I can’t fathom that LBJ and Kawhi would end up in Philly only to jump to LA in a year. That won’t happen.

Bring on the new rivalry. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.


I like the trade with Fultz, Saric, Covington and picks.  I think the East needs another good team and it’s the right thing— even if it means a harder road to the Finals for the C’s.  I absolutely LOVE the prospect that the Lakers will not be rewarded for creating cap space.  But I’ll believe it when it happens.

It doesn’t surprise me that KL would commit to long-term with Philly.  I can’t fathom that LBJ and Kawhi would end up in Philly only to jump to LA in a year. That won’t happen.

Bring on the new rivalry.

I agree that it would make the EC more interesting, but IMO it is unlikely the Spurs take this offer. Lowe tweeted about this today

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1013461023565778944
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Erik on July 01, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
 Its clickbait.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on July 01, 2018, 05:57:00 PM
Wow..74 no to 14 yes is kind of a shock..i also voted no..i just dont want this team be torn apart
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 05:59:36 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 06:04:16 PM
Wow..74 no to 14 yes is kind of a shock..i also voted no..i just dont want this team be torn apart

Believe it or not, the poll was like 14-9 in favor or "No" at one point I believe (early on). Since then, like 60-5 LOL (if you do the math)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 06:05:08 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

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This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

Quote
Jabari Young
Verified Account
@JabariJYoung

(Retweeted Ian Begley)

This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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@IanBegley

On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.

I mean, “willing to resign” is a far cry from “entertain the possibility of resigning” though lol

Still think this is all mainly a ploy to get LA to pay a good price for Kawhi, which is where I think he ultimately ends up.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 06:15:30 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

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(Retweeted Ian Begley)

This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.

I mean, “willing to resign” is a far cry from “entertain the possibility of resigning” though lol

Still think this is all mainly a ploy to get LA to pay a good price for Kawhi, which is where I think he ultimately ends up.

Lol I guess. Fair point.

Ugh I just want this whole saga to go away soon. Just keep them away from PHI please!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 06:59:16 PM
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

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Jabari Young
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(Retweeted Ian Begley)

This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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@IanBegley

On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.

I mean, “willing to resign” is a far cry from “entertain the possibility of resigning” though lol

Still think this is all mainly a ploy to get LA to pay a good price for Kawhi, which is where I think he ultimately ends up.

Lol I guess. Fair point.

Ugh I just want this whole saga to go away soon. Just keep them away from PHI please!

Agreed. I want them out West, as the only real possibility for them teaming up in the East is Philly, which isn’t ideal for us.

Even in LA, I don’t think that team can beat both Houston and GS, and as good as Lebron is, he’s going to eventually start declining at his age.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.

Lol Pop and Buford looking for a Brooklyn-esque haul for Kawhi!

If that’s what they’re asking for, maybe LA really doesn’t have enough to get him, especially with Ball not being a consideration for San Antonio.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

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Jabari Young
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@JabariJYoung

(Retweeted Ian Begley)

This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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@IanBegley

On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.

I listened to Jabari. Thought he had an anti-Boston, pro-Philly bias, which is probably because he’s from Philly. Suggested Pops should hang up the phone unless Boston offered Brown, Tatum and picks, and said Kawhi favored Philly over Boston because he had family nearer Philly, it wasn’t as cold, and also brought up the racial perception of Boston. Impossible to tell whether he was injecting his views or those of Kawaii’s camp. I think he lost credibility by insisting Tatum had to be included in trade package for San Antonio to even talk.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
So apparently, now we're hearing reports that Kawhi is willing to re-sign with PHI long term.

I think in that case, SAS would ask for more than Saric + Covington + 2021 Heat Pick. They'd definitely want back Fultz in the package. Don't see SAS taking anything less than that package (w/o Fultz), otherwise other teams could and should just make similar offers.

Are we really hearing that?

There’s a difference between “Kawhi is willing to resign” and “People in Philly’s organization increasingly believe that Kawhi is willing to resign,” which is what is really coming out. And given that it’s silly season and they just met with Lebron’s people today, that’s likely intentionally leaked to try and increase the chances of getting Lebron.

Quote
Jabari Young
Verified Account
@JabariJYoung

(Retweeted Ian Begley)

This is accurate. If LA doesn’t land him...Kawhi would entertain the possibility of staying with #Sixers beyond next season ... #Spurs

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@IanBegley

On the Sixers and a potential trade for Kawhi Leonard, it’s worth noting that there are several people with Philadelphia who feel confident that Leonard would strongly consider re-signing there next summer if they traded for him.
11:32 AM - 1 Jul 2018

Jabari Young is a reliable Spurs reporter and he's probably talking/leaking from Kawhi's camp.

I feel like the Clippers and Jerry West could try something soon in the Kawhi sweepstakes. Even if it doesn't work, I'd be shocked if they didn't at least make an offer or something.

I listened to Jabari. Thought he had an anti-Boston, pro-Philly bias, which is probably because he’s from Philly. Suggested Pops should hang up the phone unless Boston offered Brown, Tatum and picks, and said Kawhi favored Philly over Boston because he had family nearer Philly, it wasn’t as cold, and also brought up the racial perception of Boston. Impossible to tell whether he was injecting his views or those of Kawaii’s camp. I think he lost credibility by insisting Tatum had to be included in trade package for San Antonio to even talk.

Yeah I think Jabari Young came on Toucher and Rich the other day, and on NBC Sports Boston in a few segments too. He said it'd probably take Brown and Tatum in a package to land Kawhi. LOLOLOL. If that's the offer, the C's should tell SA to just kick rocks.  :laugh:

In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.

I'd be shocked if Fultz isn't one of the players they asked for. Has to be something like Fultz, Saric + 3 draft picks. Otherwise, Saric + Covington + pick(s) is underwhelming.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 08:04:02 PM
In exchange for Kawhi Leonard, the #Spurs asked the #76ers for three future first-round draft choices and two current players, per a source familiar with the negotiations. Source would not comment yet on which current players SA asked for.

Lol Pop and Buford looking for a Brooklyn-esque haul for Kawhi!

If that’s what they’re asking for, maybe LA really doesn’t have enough to get him, especially with Ball not being a consideration for San Antonio.

I guess Pierce and KG were HoF players who were over the hill. Does it make sense, then, that an MVP candidate in his prime should fetch a similar return? I don't think it's crazy.

It's also possible the Spurs are willing to take this into the season and if Kawhi is still a problem, trade him later.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
LOL I HATE THE SIXERS BUT THIS IS SUCH AN ABSURD TAKE BY WINDHORST  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8ve8g2/windhorst_if_sixers_were_serious_about_getting/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
LOL I HATE THE SIXERS BUT THIS IS SUCH AN ABSURD TAKE BY WINDHORST  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8ve8g2/windhorst_if_sixers_were_serious_about_getting/

James agent is also Simmons agent. Really feel like the Sixers are willing pawns to raise the price and push the lakers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on July 01, 2018, 08:20:24 PM
So with LeBron off the table, are the Sixers still going to go after Kawhi.  It seemed to me that they wanted Kawhi to help get LeBron.  Now I would think they would back off some and offer less.  That Covington-Saric-Miami Pick offer is probably about as rich as it is going to get.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
So with LeBron off the table, are the Sixers still going to go after Kawhi.  It seemed to me that they wanted Kawhi to help get LeBron.  Now I would think they would back off some and offer less.  That Covington-Saric-Miami Pick offer is probably about as rich as it is going to get.

I doubt it. Adding Kawhi to a core of Simmons and Embiid would still be a great move for them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 08:39:54 PM
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on July 01, 2018, 08:45:29 PM
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.

They can offer the Spurs minor assets while also keeping him away from the Lakers

Can't see them out bidding the 76ers, though (unless the 76ers don't want to offer much)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on July 01, 2018, 08:54:44 PM
So with LeBron off the table, are the Sixers still going to go after Kawhi.  It seemed to me that they wanted Kawhi to help get LeBron.  Now I would think they would back off some and offer less.  That Covington-Saric-Miami Pick offer is probably about as rich as it is going to get.

I doubt it. Adding Kawhi to a core of Simmons and Embiid would still be a great move for them.

I agree.  I would offer Fultz, Saric, and Picks if that is what SAS was looking for, especially with Kawhi hinting he would sign long term.  I have my doubts though.  I see the Sixers trading for him and then him leaving for LAL after one season of underachievement.  I guess that would be good for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: KGs Knee on July 01, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
So Kawhi can pretty much force the Spurs to trade him to LA now, if he is willing to wait and the Lakers are patient enough.  He has all the leverage now.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: acieEarl on July 01, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
Cs offer of Rozier and the Sac pick should look pretty good for the Spurs. Don't see the Philly offering Fultz.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2018, 09:32:45 PM
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.

They can offer the Spurs minor assets while also keeping him away from the Lakers

Can't see them out bidding the 76ers, though (unless the 76ers don't want to offer much)

Yeah.  Their recent 11th and 13th picks are fine, and Tobias Harris could be a nice fit in San Antonio.  Maybe they could throw an unprotected pick a few years into the future into the deal.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 09:41:13 PM
What can Clippers offer? They at least have a decent shot of re-signing him. Got to be able to offer more than that.

They can offer the Spurs minor assets while also keeping him away from the Lakers

Can't see them out bidding the 76ers, though (unless the 76ers don't want to offer much)

Yeah.  Their recent 11th and 13th picks are fine, and Tobias Harris could be a nice fit in San Antonio.  Maybe they could throw an unprotected pick a few years into the future into the deal.

Yeah I've been saying the same. Throw in another pick and it's a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.

After a trip to the Finals, why would he want to leave Boston?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 09:47:28 PM
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.

After a trip to the Finals, why would he want to leave Boston?

Because he's got his eyes set on the Lakers and he's an LA-native. He can still go to the NBA Finals in LA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cman88 on July 01, 2018, 09:53:19 PM
Boston and Philly are not sinking anything into a guy that is leaving in a year.

After a trip to the Finals, why would he want to leave Boston?

Because he's got his eyes set on the Lakers and he's an LA-native. He can still go to the NBA Finals in LA.

Woj reiterated again that Kawhi leonard has let it be known he is going to the Lakers be it via trade or free agency next year.

Not sure why some people here want to give up a guy like Brown for a player who seemingly wants to force himself to LA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?

I think Kawhi could get fined if he does that and a move to LAL could get blocked too.

Difference is, almost the whole world knows he wants LAL, but Kyrie didn't really express his intentions last summer and we didn't hear the news of "fake surgery" and stuff until WELL after the season started.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 10:15:21 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?

Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 10:18:38 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?

Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happen
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 01, 2018, 10:26:22 PM
Now hearing reports that Boston is 'open' to trading Kyrie for Kahwi.  I'm thinking this is fake news.  If you trade Kyrie you create a hole at the 1.  From what I saw, Rozier is nowhere near the level of KI. 

Meanwhile the Celtics already have a wealth of wings with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and add Kahwi on top of that?  It would make more sense to move Brown or Hayward so there would be enough wing minutes to go around.

Did the news that Ainge talked to San Antonio about offering up Kyrie Irving in a trade mid-season sour Irving on the Celtics ? Some are saying that is what led to Irving being so lukewarm in his response to the question of extending his stay in Boston. Danny does not treat his guys respectfully and never has - he shops them publicly and does very little to reward loyalty. He angered Ray Allen, gutted Kendrick Perkins, treated Leon Powe and Isaiah Thomas like damaged goods to be thrown away and has now possibly turned Irving away from a long future in Boston.

Remember when Red kept a broken-down Kevin McHale mostly out of loyalty because McHale had sacrificed his health in the 1987 playoffs by playing on a broken foot. Danny needs to take a few lessons from Red Auerbach and remember that the Celtics are supposed to be a special franchise to play for, a unique place in the NBA wasteland.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 11:50:25 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.

"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.


Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on July 01, 2018, 11:53:19 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.

"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.


Isn't it breach of contract is Kawhi sits out the season? Can't the Spurs take legal action?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 11:56:25 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.

"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.


Isn't it breach of contract is Kawhi sits out the season? Can't the Spurs take legal action?

I hope that happens. Strip away all of Kawhi's free agency rights. The Lakers could lose out on Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2018, 12:08:49 AM
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.

"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.

Waste one of Lebron’s last good years waiting for Kawhi because you’re being stingy? Sounds good to me! Remember, PG was supposedly for sure heading to LA in free agency, too.

Ultimately, though, I think this is just posturing. I expect them to fold and San Antonio to compromise at least a little bit. Too much risk otherwise, such as Leonard getting hurt again in San Antonio or deciding to stay.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: vjcsmoke on July 02, 2018, 12:37:08 AM
Question, couldn't the Spurs sign and trade Leonard to the Celtics if all parties agree?  They could sign him to like a 3 or 4 year deal and then trade him to the Celtics for the accepted compensation, and since Kawhi was the S&T player, his salary would count for half for trade purposes, making the trade easier to match up financially under the cap.

https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-NBA-trade-free-agency-work

"A team is not allowed to sign another team’s free agent and then immediately trade him. However, a team is allowed to re-sign their own free agent and immediately trade him to another team by adding a clause to the contract making it invalid if the player is not traded to a specific team within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade contract must be for three years or longer, and a team does not acquire the player’s Bird rights."
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 02, 2018, 12:56:39 PM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?

Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happen

I'm no expert on the CBA but I feel very confident that there are rules about what happens to a player if he decides to not play without medical reason. I also think if there's one team in the league that would be willing to take this stand off all the way, it's the Spurs, especially with where Popovich is right now in his career. He's got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 10:44:50 AM
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/1013599162292678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599162292678657&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/1013599345764192256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013599345764192256&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fsan-antonio-spurs

Stephen A. Smith is stating that Kawhi has threatened to sit out next season unless he's traded to LAL.

How true that is is up for debate, but, yeah, I'm glad that we're not more interested in him, as does anyone really doubt that report at this point? Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's really soured his reputation across the league with how he's handled this situation with a top-class organization.

Hopefully Buford and Pop remain hard-headed and either refuse to trade him to LA or just simply refuse to trade him and let him sit out all season. That'd be a major hit to his reputation, and would they even be required to pay him if he's voluntarily sitting out without an injury excuse?

Guy threatening to sit should be penalized by the league. At minimum loses salary. Commish may need to step in here if Kawhi sits. I hope Spurs stay firm.
penalties like that need to be approved by the players union in the CBA.. Never going to happen

I'm no expert on the CBA but I feel very confident that there are rules about what happens to a player if he decides to not play without medical reason. I also think if there's one team in the league that would be willing to take this stand off all the way, it's the Spurs, especially with where Popovich is right now in his career. He's got nothing to lose.

If he is withholding services from his contract the team can suspend him.  There is also a possibility of arbitration to resolve the dispute.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.

If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: cltc5 on July 03, 2018, 10:52:37 AM
Ryan hollins is just as terrible on first take as he was on the court ::)
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 03, 2018, 10:55:10 AM
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons).  The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present.  For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah.  Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo.  Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary.  It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas.  Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.

The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension.  And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard.  A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs.  The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year). 

Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: slamtheking on July 03, 2018, 11:06:22 AM
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons).  The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present.  For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah.  Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo.  Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary.  It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas.  Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.

The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension.  And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard.  A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs.  The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year). 

Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
I can see the point of Mil or Tor wanting to add Kawhi.  I don't think either of those packages comes close though.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 03, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons).  The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present.  For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah.  Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo.  Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary.  It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas.  Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.

The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension.  And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard.  A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs.  The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year). 

Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.
I can see the point of Mil or Tor wanting to add Kawhi.  I don't think either of those packages comes close though.
The thing is neither Boston nor Philly has offered a really prime asset and the Lakers are only offering 1 in Ingram (I think the Bucks beats Ingram, not sure about the Raptors, but Toronto is not LA which is a big selling point to the Spurs).  At this point, there aren't better offers out there and they may not come for the Spurs.  That is why I think, those teams should be working the phones. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 11:28:20 AM
I think the Bucks or Raptors should go all in and acquire Leonard (for different reasons).  The East is now more open and both of those teams have an incentive to try and capitalize on the present.  For the Raptors it gives them one last hurrah.  Add Leonard to DeRozan and you have a dynamite wing combo.  Not sure if something like this works for the Spurs, but Powell, Poeltl, and Anunoby I believe gets them enough salary.  It would strip the Raptors young guys, but would give them an incredible starting 5 in Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, and Valanciunas.  Maybe you can convince Leonard to stay with that sort of team going forward, especially if they make the finals.

The Bucks on the other hand could use a deep run and a vet to help guide Giannis' ascension.  And who knows maybe the thought of playing next to Giannis for the next decade sounds appealing to Leonard.  A trade centered around Middleton with maybe Brogdon and/or Maker may be appealing to the Spurs.  The Bucks also have enough salary that they can swap contracts so like Henson and Mills or Gasol can be added (Spurs shave a year). 

Both Milwaukee and Toronto could use a Finals run to really energize their fan bases and Leonard is clearly available and with no one giving up primo assets, it might be the time for the Bucks or Raptors to engage discussions.

Buck package far more appealing to SA than Raptor package you outlined above.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.

If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.

I don't think he stays there one year.  I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2018, 11:37:50 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.

If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.

I don't think he stays there one year.  I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?

This is a move geared towards rebuilding his value, right? Assuming he exceeds expectations this year, the most they can resign him to next offseason would be $6.3m. Why would he take another discount of that nature? He missed time due to Achilles tendinitis his last year and a half in Sacramento and he had been dealing with Achilles tendinitis before he ruptured last season. So if I'm him and I perform well enough in the playoffs (because let's be real, he's not going to do much in the regular season) to secure a multi-year, 8-figure offer from another team, I'm taking it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 11:42:04 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.

If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.

I don't think he stays there one year.  I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?

It’s three years for full Bird rights.  Next season he could sign a 1-year deal for $6.4 million to get to Early Bird rights, or a 2-year deal for $13.1 million, to get him to full Bird rights.  If he signs a one-year deal next year, he could then sign a 2-year $22 million deal (this is a very rough estimate because that number won’t be calculated for two more years), or another one-year deal for $7.7 million to get full Bird rights.  By the time he finished that 3-4 year process he’d be 31 or 32.

Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
Does the Boogie GSW signing change Danny's thoughts on offer for KL?  Seems the gap between us and GSW just widened.  Do we take the risk that KL will love it here?
I don't think Boogie changes anything about the Celtics outlook since Boogie is only going to be there one year.

If anything it makes the all-in potential of a Kawhi deal with no assurances giving up picks and/or Brown less attractive. Why go all in for a guy who's very likely to leave when the GSW have even more talent for that one year rental window.

I don't think he stays there one year.  I could see him wanting to stay there a while, especially if they keep winning championships. $$ is a factor, but after 2 years wouldn't they get his Bird rights?
He'd need to play on basically taxpayer MLE deal for 3 full years before they got bird rights. No way he's going to wait that long to get paid after a serious injury.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 11:44:15 AM
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 11:46:41 AM
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.

It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 03, 2018, 12:05:22 PM
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.

It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets.  Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 03, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.

It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets.  Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.

Why didn't New York add Cousins and trade for Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 12:22:33 PM
Why didn't New York add Cousins and trade for Leonard.
They have no cap space to sign Cousins.

They also don't have any ready made players that seem to fit with what the Spurs are asking for, they could give up a Nets style package of all their picks going forward I guess...
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 03, 2018, 12:51:31 PM
Unless there’s truly no market for him next summer, I cannot imagine that he pursues the above strategy.
Given the shear amount of cap space next year even if he doesn't have a huge market someone will out bid the taxpayer MLE I'd imagine and give him a bigger role.

It’s a little bit more than the taxpayer MLE, since it would be combinations of non-Bird rights or early Bird rights, but yes, the only way he can’t find anything is if he doesn’t suit up or is blamed for causing the Warriors to implode.
frankly even then some sad sack franchise might take a 1 year flyer to try and sell some tickets.  Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, etc.

Why didn't New York add Cousins and trade for Leonard.
they don't have the assets to trade for Leonard.  That should be apparent.  As for Cousins, I have no idea, but maybe Cousins just didn't want to go there for a year at 8.8 million.  Maybe the Knicks aren't ready to acquire a personality like that.  Maybe they figured they had 1 injured big man and would rather not have 2 of them.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on July 03, 2018, 01:05:42 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs have been in touch on a Kawhi Leonard trade two times on Sunday and may talk again this evening.

"San Antonio is asking for the house," said Stephen A. Smith. "Kyle Kuzma is off limits. They're not willing to surrender three picks. Their mentality is that Kawhi Leonard wants to be a Laker (now or in 2019)."

Smith also reports that Leonard could even sit out the 18-19 season if he's not traded to the Lakers. Smith clarified that he's heard this from other executives and not directly from Leonard on that report.

The Lakers are prepared to walk away from trade talks with the Spurs if a deal isn't done by Monday.

I in some ways understand the Lakers reluctance, if you think you have him next year why trade assets? Its just that this isnt a normal circumstance. You have the best player in the world for 3 years, and he's 33. If you don't pair him with another star you just aren't very good this year, not with the non-shooters and junk they've surrounded him with this free agency and not in the west. What are they, like a 45-48 win team? SO they are gonna waste a prime year of Lebron? I just don't see it.

But okay, maybe they don't care about that. But what if kawhi changes his mind. We just say Paul George do it, and they are different people but thats at least proof of concept. Right now what Kawhi knows is he doesn't wnat to be in San Antonio, and thats all he knows for sure. he doesn't know what Boston, Phili, ect are like so it makes sense he'd wnat to go home to LA. If he gets traded Boston, Phili, makes a finals run, plays in front of crazy screaming adoring fans every night in a much bigger basketball market AND can get paid more is he really going to leave? I mean Paul George likes OKLAHOMA CITY enough to stay. LA has an advantage right now in that they KNOW he wants to be there, and he doesn't know any better. Letting that pass is a risk.


But fine, maybe they don't care about that either. The last thing to consider is what Kawhi wants. Right now he is telling LA through leaks, press reports ect that he wants to go there. If LA just backs off, says "na, we're good for now," doesn't that run the risk of alienating the guy. In his mind he's a top 5 player (he is correct), and those guys choose where they play and the team makes it happen. So now he is already possibly turning down the super max to play for LA and in return they wont even pony up and make a trade? I could see a case where that makes a star payer angry.


So ya, to me theres a lot of risks here. Sure, you can wait to get to free agency and sign him. But thats a maybe, not a certainty. And if you miss out maybe you can get someone else but for competing with the GSW's Kawhi is the perfect guy. And has anybody else actually looked at the free agency list.

Irving-Not playing with Lebron
Durant- If he leaves likely wants his own team
Love-Already tried that
Kemba-Not an all star in the west
Thompson-Rumblings he will reisgn in GS
Horford (PO)-Can't see him leaving for LA
Butler- 30 years old, with the legs of a 50 year old.
Marc Gasol-Old
Kris Middleton-Best option? Thats sad.

Maybe i'm missing somebody but you get the point, no truly elite guys really available after Kawhi. So ya, if you don't get Kawhi you are out of luck really. Now as the Celtics I wouldn''t do a Kawhi trade, too much risk. BUt as LA what else are you gonn do? You got 1 mvp level player, go get another while you have a chnace.

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 02:07:12 PM
If San Antonio want Dario Saric and Robert Covington and three draft picks from The Sixers, why isn't this a done deal?

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 02:09:44 PM
If San Antonio want Dario Saric and Robert Covington and three draft picks from The Sixers, why isn't this a done deal?
I don't think they have too much interest in that package right now. Its pretty clear they want a:

blue chip prospect
good draft picks
salary relief

The above package only has draft picks, only one of which has much chance of being that good.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 02:11:33 PM
If San Antonio want Dario Saric and Robert Covington and three draft picks from The Sixers, why isn't this a done deal?
I don't think they have too much interest in that package right now. Its pretty clear they want a:

blue chip prospect
good draft picks
salary relief

The above package only has draft picks, only one of which has much chance of being that good.

I read that as a report as to The Spurs demands from Philly. It's probably inaccurate but if true it would be a no brainer for The 76s.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 03, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/250566/Kawhi-Leonard-Not-Guaranteed-To-Sign-With-Lakers-In-2019?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds like SA feeding Shams info trying to up the trade offers.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticinorlando on July 03, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
Leonard doesn’t want Boston so forget him. Guy is all over the road. Keep your picks and young players and resign Kyrie

Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 08:52:57 PM
There you go kahwi doesn't want to come
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 03, 2018, 09:00:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhOFhQdUwAAHZsx.jpg:large)

https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1014301148814032896/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1014301148814032896&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Foklahoma-city-thunder

Ouch, that has to hurt, huh Magic? Maybe you should think twice about Kawhi and not expect everyone to just flock to LA.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/250566/Kawhi-Leonard-Not-Guaranteed-To-Sign-With-Lakers-In-2019?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds like SA feeding Shams info trying to up the trade offers.

If true I like that he has lost interest in Lakers because he doesn’t want to play with Lebron. Not into super team. We’ll see.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 03, 2018, 09:04:02 PM
Quote
Jordan Schultz
Verified account
@Schultz_Report

#Celtics aren't giving up Tatum and are lukewarm on prospect of trading Jaylen Brown, nor do I foresee C's dealing Kyrie. #Lakers aren't keen on dealing Brandon Ingram and #76ers prefer to keep Fultz. I still believe #Kawhi gets dealt -- but to where, I'm really unsure. #Spurs

10:32 AM - 3 Jul 2018

Yeah honestly I have no clue either. I'm thinking it's more likely Spurs just keep him for now, unless the Lakers budge and pay the moon for him. Otherwise, maybe the Clippers make a push to trade for Kawhi.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: keevsnick on July 03, 2018, 09:07:41 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-amp/250566/Kawhi-Leonard-Not-Guaranteed-To-Sign-With-Lakers-In-2019?__twitter_impression=true

Sounds like SA feeding Shams info trying to up the trade offers.

Or Kawhi feeding him info in order to put more pressure on the Lakers to do a deal now. Remember, if Kawhi wants the max money from a non spurs team he would do well to be traded to that team and then resign. If he wants to go to lakers financially it makes sense to pressure them for a trade. We just saw the Paul George took the Lakers not trading for him personally it seems, maybe Kawhi is doing the same.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tstorey_97 on July 03, 2018, 09:08:52 PM
San Antonio has to trade Leonard.

Another team has to trade for him.

San Antonio is faced with trying to trade a player whom is a "flight risk" after one year.

Leonard has little leverage beyond "I want to go home"...he is not a free agent.

If it has been ordained that the Lakers are going to get him? Then the lack of discussion would indicate that other GM's know what is going on as, that is their job and we await the Leonard to LA tweet or whatever.


The 76ers suck, just got rid of the GM...he isn't going there.

Ainge said "no" to the media and is the record holder for blowing smoke.

OT...what would Red Auerbach do? I'm old, but I'm not Red. I think that Auerbach would sign Leonard. He would sign him for fundamental basketball reasons. Probably Red's biggest reason of all...this Leonard guy can play defense.

Red always did whatever he could to get a player that was strong on defense and offense as they are rare and defense wins big games.

I suggest that Auerbach would trade Brown for Leonard as Leonard is the better of the two players. Will Bprown eventually be as good as Leonard? That wasn't my point. I suggest Auerbach would see Leonard playing for the Celtics for the title or waiting and seeing if Brown ends up "as good" as Leonard.

Issue with this last point is, that Ainge is the GM and years of salary cap hell are right around the corner.

Magic hasn't said anything.

San Antonio just doesn't have that much leverage in this deal and it's best to assume everyone knows it...including Magic.

Everybody made their offer...why change? It's in San Antonio's court.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 09:49:52 PM
San Antonio has to trade Leonard.

Another team has to trade for him.

San Antonio is faced with trying to trade a player whom is a "flight risk" after one year.

Leonard has little leverage beyond "I want to go home"...he is not a free agent.

If it has been ordained that the Lakers are going to get him? Then the lack of discussion would indicate that other GM's know what is going on as, that is their job and we await the Leonard to LA tweet or whatever.


The 76ers suck, just got rid of the GM...he isn't going there.

Ainge said "no" to the media and is the record holder for blowing smoke.

OT...what would Red Auerbach do? I'm old, but I'm not Red. I think that Auerbach would sign Leonard. He would sign him for fundamental basketball reasons. Probably Red's biggest reason of all...this Leonard guy can play defense.

Red always did whatever he could to get a player that was strong on defense and offense as they are rare and defense wins big games.

I suggest that Auerbach would trade Brown for Leonard as Leonard is the better of the two players. Will Bprown eventually be as good as Leonard? That wasn't my point. I suggest Auerbach would see Leonard playing for the Celtics for the title or waiting and seeing if Brown ends up "as good" as Leonard.

Issue with this last point is, that Ainge is the GM and years of salary cap hell are right around the corner.

Magic hasn't said anything.

San Antonio just doesn't have that much leverage in this deal and it's best to assume everyone knows it...including Magic.

Everybody made their offer...why change? It's in San Antonio's court.
Leonard has leverage. If you think any team other than LaL will put up a big offer you’re smoking
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 03, 2018, 09:55:41 PM
San Antonio has to trade Leonard.

Another team has to trade for him.

San Antonio is faced with trying to trade a player whom is a "flight risk" after one year.

Leonard has little leverage beyond "I want to go home"...he is not a free agent.

If it has been ordained that the Lakers are going to get him? Then the lack of discussion would indicate that other GM's know what is going on as, that is their job and we await the Leonard to LA tweet or whatever.


The 76ers suck, just got rid of the GM...he isn't going there.

Ainge said "no" to the media and is the record holder for blowing smoke.

OT...what would Red Auerbach do? I'm old, but I'm not Red. I think that Auerbach would sign Leonard. He would sign him for fundamental basketball reasons. Probably Red's biggest reason of all...this Leonard guy can play defense.

Red always did whatever he could to get a player that was strong on defense and offense as they are rare and defense wins big games.

I suggest that Auerbach would trade Brown for Leonard as Leonard is the better of the two players. Will Bprown eventually be as good as Leonard? That wasn't my point. I suggest Auerbach would see Leonard playing for the Celtics for the title or waiting and seeing if Brown ends up "as good" as Leonard.

Issue with this last point is, that Ainge is the GM and years of salary cap hell are right around the corner.

Magic hasn't said anything.

San Antonio just doesn't have that much leverage in this deal and it's best to assume everyone knows it...including Magic.

Everybody made their offer...why change? It's in San Antonio's court.
Leonard has leverage. If you think any team other than LaL will put up a big offer you’re smoking

Maybe, but SAS isn't selling him to LAL for a bag of chips either. Reports say LAL isn't willing to give up Ingram to acquire him, and probably not Kuzma either. Problem is, the Spurs have made it clear they want nothing to do with Deng's contract, so matching salaries could become an issue unless LAL find a third team OR they attach Kuzma in addition to Ingram and Deng to acquire Leonard.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 09:56:04 PM
Calling it now- Kawhi Leonard to Denver  8)

Then bolt Denver for LA in 2019.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: esel1000 on July 03, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Can’t embed the tweet but apparently Woj was on ESPN saying that there is no bidding war going on with Kawhi due to the unknown regarding his injury and his desire to play in LA. Not a major surprise but it’s clear DA will not trade Brown for him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 03, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
Calling it now- Kawhi Leonard to Denver  8)

Then bolt Denver for LA in 2019.

Why would Denver of all teams give up enough for him?

Very random.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 03:32:02 AM
Larry Coon on SAS' demands from LAL

https://streamable.com/cr1cz

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vwi2a/larry_coon_on_spurs_asking_price_for_kawhi_from/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on July 04, 2018, 04:30:59 AM
Geez what a haul!!! Dont blame Lakers saying no..
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 04, 2018, 07:55:07 AM
It’s unfortunate that the Clips have little to offer.  Tobias Harris and there’s not much else.  Harris and Galinari/Gortat plus picks for Gasol and Leonard.  Buy out  Gasol and create a max slot for next year after signing Kawhi? 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2018, 01:04:39 PM
Kawhi Leonard reportedly not interested in Boston
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eja117 on July 04, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 04, 2018, 01:09:46 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more

Seems like a reasonable ask.  Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work.  Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 04:46:03 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more

Seems like a reasonable ask.  Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work.  Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.

Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:

They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 04, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more

Seems like a reasonable ask.  Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work.  Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.

Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:

They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury.  That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason. 

Edit:  If Deng's contract is included that would make it more palatable. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more

Seems like a reasonable ask.  Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work.  Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.

Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:

They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury.  That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason. 

Edit:  If Deng's contract is included that would make it more palatable.

I'm with you. He's either got real health issues or real personality issues that are going to have to be dealt with. Taking him on is a gamble.

But if you're the Spurs, you're looking at a player who came in 2nd and 3rd in MVP voting the last 2 seasons he played and he just turned 27. And there's no pressure to do the deal right now if you're not getting what you want.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 04, 2018, 06:43:44 PM
I just read on Bleacher Report the Spurs are demanding Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart, two firsts and the option to swap two more firsts. My only question is how does a GM make a demand like that with a straight face?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784441-lakers-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-ask-includes-brandon-ingram-kyle-kuzma-more

Seems like a reasonable ask.  Should be noted if that’s an actual ask Deng is also involved to make salaries work.  Taking on Deng’s contract should cost two firsts by itself, and the Lakers with LeBron and Kawhi will not be giving you 1sts in the lottery.

Yeah, I'll say the same thing I said in the other thread:

They're trading an MVP candidate in his prime. It sounds like a lot but 3 prospects and 4 picks isn't unheard of. Orlando got 6 players, 2 firsts, and 2 seconds for Dwight Howard and washed up Jason Richardson.
He's potentially a 1 year rental and coming off a major injury.  That's way too much to give up if you've got the cap space to get him next offseason. 

Edit:  If Deng's contract is included that would make it more palatable.

Yeah, to be clear I don’t think the Lakers should accept that offer.  It’s asking for an awful lot, but if a deal gets done it will be a lot closer to that than Deng, Kuzma, and a draft pick like LA is probably offering.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jvalin on July 04, 2018, 11:17:21 PM
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder

A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster

Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:

Assuming

-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency

I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.

Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)

Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).

So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)

PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sketch5 on July 05, 2018, 12:31:39 AM
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder

A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster

Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:

Assuming

-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency

I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.

Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)

Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).

So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)

PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams

First: I don't think the Spur will trade for Irving with one year left, they want future assests. Guys with multiple years left, young, and possible on rookie contracts, and picks, lots of picks. Irving would be a bad trade for them.

Second: NO way are we paying Hayward 30mil to come off the bench. If a trade of Irving for Leonard happened, it would be Leonard/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford. Leonard and Hayward would handle PG duty, and Leonard and Brown would guard the smalls.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jvalin on July 05, 2018, 07:51:46 AM
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder

A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster

Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:

Assuming

-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency

I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.

Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)

Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).

So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)

PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams

First: I don't think the Spur will trade for Irving with one year left, they want future assests. Guys with multiple years left, young, and possible on rookie contracts, and picks, lots of picks. Irving would be a bad trade for them.

Second: NO way are we paying Hayward 30mil to come off the bench. If a trade of Irving for Leonard happened, it would be Leonard/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford. Leonard and Hayward would handle PG duty, and Leonard and Brown would guard the smalls.

- Kyrie had the Spurs on his list of preferred trade destinations last summer.

- Spurs are telling teams they prefer to remain competitive even with Kawhi Leonard trade. Kyrie is the best return they can possibly get. Not to mention he is just 26 years old.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250418/Spurs-Telling-Teams-They-Prefer-To-Remain-Competitive-Even-With-Kawhi-Leonard-Trade

Regarding your second point, neither Kawhi nor Hayward is a PG. I believe Hayward has what it takes to run a half court offense from time to time, but we need someone who can consistently bring the ball up the court.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 05, 2018, 08:01:13 AM
Beverly had micro fracture knee surgery. And you want him to be your starting PG?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on July 05, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
Hope we dont get Leonard..if it means trading 2-3 players plus picks, i pass..Ainge and Stevens built this team to win for years to come and lets keep it that way
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jvalin on July 05, 2018, 08:28:02 AM
Beverly had micro fracture knee surgery. And you want him to be your starting PG?
Kyrie isn't exactly an iron man either. Plus I'd keep Rozier till the trade deadline, so Beverley would be in no rush to play big minutes straight away. Obviously, if Danny believes that Beverley won't return the same player after the injury, I wouldn't trade for him.

If healthy, Beverley is possibly the best on-ball defender in the NBA (alongside Bradley).
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sketch5 on July 05, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
Really really like Kawhi. Ever since this story broke out, I can't help but wonder

A) whether it's likely that the C's will trade for him
B) how the C's would look like with Kawhi on their roster

Personally speaking, I'd rather part ways with Kyrie instead of Brown. Here is my line of thinking:

Assuming

-Kawhi is willing to commit long term with the C's
or
-Danny believes that Kyrie is planning to leave next summer via free agency

I'd push for a Kyrie for Kawhi straight up deal. Worst case scenario, we include a non Kings/Grizzlies first as well.

Step 2
We trade Morris to the Clips for Beverley.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jXApEy/image.png)
(obviously, these are 2 different trades)

Step 3
Since we can't afford both Smart and Rozier (going forward), I'd trade Rozier at the deadline for the best pick I could possibly get. No point in starting a score-first PG when we 'd already have far too many options on the offensive side of the ball (Kawhi, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Horford).

So this is how the team would look like come playoffs time next season (hopefully everybody will be healthy for a change)

PG: Beverley, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, buyout market FA on the minimum (someone who can stretch the floor), Nader
SF: Kawhi, Hayward, Semi
PF: Tatum, Theis, Yabu
C: Horford, Baynes, Williams

First: I don't think the Spur will trade for Irving with one year left, they want future assests. Guys with multiple years left, young, and possible on rookie contracts, and picks, lots of picks. Irving would be a bad trade for them.

Second: NO way are we paying Hayward 30mil to come off the bench. If a trade of Irving for Leonard happened, it would be Leonard/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford. Leonard and Hayward would handle PG duty, and Leonard and Brown would guard the smalls.

- Kyrie had the Spurs on his list of preferred trade destinations last summer.

- Spurs are telling teams they prefer to remain competitive even with Kawhi Leonard trade. Kyrie is the best return they can possibly get. Not to mention he is just 26 years old.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250418/Spurs-Telling-Teams-They-Prefer-To-Remain-Competitive-Even-With-Kawhi-Leonard-Trade

Regarding your second point, neither Kawhi nor Hayward is a PG. I believe Hayward has what it takes to run a half court offense from time to time, but we need someone who can consistently bring the ball up the court.

Kyrie wanted to go to the Spurs to play with Leonard not be his replacement.

I'm pretty sure Leonard and Hayward can dribble a ball up the floor, and with their size if they get pressured from an other smaller PG, they just pass over them. The Bulls did just fine with Pippen and Harper taking the ball up the floor.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: td450 on July 05, 2018, 11:15:38 AM
As time goes on, the odds are going up that we get him. It appears that LA is confident they don't need to make a deal this year. We aren't giving up a starter, and so far it doesn't look like Philly is giving up Fultz.

If no one blinks, I'm guessing our offer could very well be the best one on the table. San Antonio isn't going to have more leverage by going into the season with this stalemate.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on July 05, 2018, 11:21:04 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on July 05, 2018, 11:47:19 AM
The more recent developments are interesting.  SAS is asking for the moon to trade Kawhi to LAL and Kawhi may not even want to still go there now that LeBron is there.  Both of these scenarios seem plausible to me.

Then it is that Philly is interested but won't include Fultz.  If true, I find that dumb.  I don't know what else in addition to Fultz SAS may be asking for but I would not let Fultz hold up this deal.

Philly seems like a good fit for Kawhi.  He could be the guy on the court but also not have to be the guy off the court thanks to Embiid.

I don't think it would be smart to trade Kawhi for Kyrie.  I don't buy the line up of Brown, Hayward, Leonard, Tatum, and Horford.  Lot's of talent but not enough balance .  You need a PG to initiate things on offense and you need someone who can cover the PG on defense.  We have one of the best PGs in the game and we have a stable of good wings.  Why trade the PG for another wing to add to the stable.  Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 05, 2018, 11:49:42 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.

Sounds like you have a sound mind for college basketball and related pedigree.  So, I concur, monksy
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 11:57:36 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.
right now, tankaton has the celtics picking at #4 and #10 and #28. ainge can most certainly move up if needed. so, nassir little is possible. hard to believe this team has this much talent AND a couple of potentially excellent draft picks.

we are all spoiled by ainge.  ;D
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on July 05, 2018, 12:02:00 PM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants...
I think he pretty clearly wants to be traded before the season to LA, preferably the Lakers.

I don't think anything has actually changed, that leaks from Lakers/Kawhi Camp/San Antonio conflict isn't surprising. Its all just random attempts to change the leverage of the current stalemate.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on July 06, 2018, 10:00:09 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4884880c8983e0fde067a0526e80a724.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b2a34100ec2fefb0ad57cc50c3ad6566.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 06, 2018, 10:46:46 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4884880c8983e0fde067a0526e80a724.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b2a34100ec2fefb0ad57cc50c3ad6566.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/

Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.

The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 10:51:14 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4884880c8983e0fde067a0526e80a724.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b2a34100ec2fefb0ad57cc50c3ad6566.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/

Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.

The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.

Helps the Clippers pick if that happens.  I’m rooting for it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 06, 2018, 11:08:17 AM
Last free agency domino!
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 06, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.

I'd take Little although Sekou is also extremely intriguing.

Either one and we're set for a decade.

Although I might be able to be sold on Rozier as the PG of the future..
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 11:12:59 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.

I'd take Little although Sekou is also extremely intriguing.

Either one and we're set for a decade.

Although I might be able to be sold on Rozier as the PG of the future..

Was agreeing with everything you were saying, until you mentioned Rozier could be our PG of the future. Like the kid, he's a great teammate, but Kyrie is light years above him.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 06, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.

I'd take Little although Sekou is also extremely intriguing.

Either one and we're set for a decade.

Although I might be able to be sold on Rozier as the PG of the future..

Was agreeing with everything you were saying, until you mentioned Rozier could be our PG of the future. Like the kid, he's a great teammate, but Kyrie is light years above him.

Kyrie is obviously better but not sure if we can afford him long term with Tatum/Brown/2019 pick/Williams all needing big $.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenShooter on July 06, 2018, 11:25:41 AM
I am so confused by what Kawhi wants... That being said... I really want Nasir Little, who I believe will eventually become the next Kawhi. So... I'll wait, and be patient while we draft him, and create the dynasty in 2-3 years from now.

Irving
Brown/Smart
Nasir Little
Tatum
Williams

Oh lawd.
right now, tankaton has the celtics picking at #4 and #10 and #28. ainge can most certainly move up if needed. so, nassir little is possible. hard to believe this team has this much talent AND a couple of potentially excellent draft picks.

we are all spoiled by ainge.  ;D
I just looked it up. I wish we could get the Clips pick but if Kawhi goes there next summer than at least we'll get their 1st in 2020 instead of their 2nd rounder.
They also have Charles Bassey going #16...lol...no. way. in. hell. Kid is one of the best prospects and I do believe he has already reclassified and will attend classes. Easily a top 10 pick, especially in next year's draft. He's one to keep an eye on since not many WKU games are on the tube.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 06, 2018, 12:34:42 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4884880c8983e0fde067a0526e80a724.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b2a34100ec2fefb0ad57cc50c3ad6566.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/

Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.

The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.

Helps the Clippers pick if that happens.  I’m rooting for it.

Yeah, I don't know if the Clippers have the assets for it but if he goes there instead of to the Lakers and then helps the Clippers pick to convey as a first, win-win for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 12:49:43 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4884880c8983e0fde067a0526e80a724.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8wccld/wojnarowski_the_lakers_feel_like_we_arent_going/

(https://i.gyazo.com/b2a34100ec2fefb0ad57cc50c3ad6566.png)

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8weew5/michael_c_wright_lakers_are_not_kawhis_preferred/

Jerry West will swoop in. Mark my words.

The Lakers are content with being relevant. That was the driving force behind their motivations.

Helps the Clippers pick if that happens.  I’m rooting for it.

Yeah, I don't know if the Clippers have the assets for it but if he goes there instead of to the Lakers and then helps the Clippers pick to convey as a first, win-win for the Celtics.

Don’t know either, but Tobias Harris, SGA, Jerome Robinson and a future pick gives them two rookie lottery picks and a solid starter, while matching salaries and not taking on bad long-term salary.  Can’t do such a trade until August, because the two rookies are under contract, but it makes the Spurs a better team this year than the Lakers offer.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 06, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
Amid all the debates/discussions/arguments, I think we can all agree on this:

This Kawhi saga as a whole is getting extremely annoying  >:(

Just in general. I don't mind him not wanting to come here, not at all, but just overall it's all getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 06, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
I was monkeying with shamsports calculator.

This is the copy/paste of the moves I made for the Lakers to get this roster:
Starters: Rondo-KCP-James-Leonard-Love
Bench: Anthony-Wade-McGee-Stephenson-Wagner-Vet Min-Vet Min-Vet Min-Vet Min

They'd still need a vet min guys (Booker? Mbouh a Moute? West? Beasley? Crawford? Napier? Lopez? Larkin?

I don't think that's a championship team, but I do think it can make some noise.

1. Signed Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to 1yrs/$ 12,000,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Bird Exception
2. Renounced $ 33,963,525 2018-19 cap hold for Brook Lopez
3. Renounced $ 14,099,733 2018-19 cap hold for Channing Frye
4. Renounced $ 12,447,727 2018-19 cap hold for Julius Randle
5. Renounced $ 11,896,651 2018-19 cap hold for Isaiah Thomas
6. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Travis Wear
7. Renounced $ 1,349,383 2018-19 cap hold for Andre Ingram
8. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Metta World Peace
9. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Thomas Robinson
10. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Alex Caruso
11. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Gary Payton II
12. Signed Rajon Rondo to 1yrs/$ 9,000,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space
13. Signed LeBron James to 4yrs/$ 153,312,848 contract starting in 2018-19 using Cap Space
14. Re-signed Moritz Wagner to 4yrs/$ 9,881,019 contract starting in 2018-19 using Rookie Scale Exception
15. Signed Dwyane Wade to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 10-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
16. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
17. Signed JaVale McGee to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
18. Signed Lance Stephenson to 1yrs/$ 4,449,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Room Mid-Level Exception
19. Traded Luol Deng, Kyle Kuzma, and Lakers 2019 First Round Pick for Kevin Love
20. Traded Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, Ivica Zubac, and Lakers 2021 First Round Pick for Kawhi Leonard
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 09:44:22 PM
Kawhi apparently might sign a deal with Philly next summer. Only Eastern team he would consider.  Does Philly step up now?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on July 06, 2018, 10:20:25 PM
What is the protection on the Clipper pick.

and

Why does it always seem that we have a Clipper pick?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: mef730 on July 06, 2018, 10:45:01 PM
What is the protection on the Clipper pick.

and

Why does it always seem that we have a Clipper pick?

Lottery protected each of the next two years. If we don't get the pick in either of those years, we get a second.

Because, well, they're the Clippers, and we rock.

Mike
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 06, 2018, 10:54:05 PM
Kawhi apparently might sign a deal with Philly next summer. Only Eastern team he would consider.  Does Philly step up now?

Leonard is there for the taking anyways.

As long as PHI is willing to give up Fultz, Saric, salary + pick(s), they can get him.

And no, SAS is NOT accepting Saric + Covington + pick(s) package. Highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 07, 2018, 08:31:45 AM
Would the Spurs have interest in taking IT in a s&t? That could help make the deal happen without including Deng. Still difficult but something around Thomas, Ingram, Kuzma might be possible.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 07, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With

While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.

"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."

The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.

The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Smitty77 on July 07, 2018, 06:18:12 PM
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With

While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.

"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."

The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.

The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328

I would LOVE to know WHY he would NOT re-sign in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 07, 2018, 06:39:53 PM
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With

While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.

"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."

The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.

The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328

I would LOVE to know WHY he would NOT re-sign in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smitty77

Some players honestly could care less if they win or not. Obviously if he wants to leave the Spurs that's strike 1. Doesnt want to go to Boston where he would have a great chance to consistently win. Strike 2. Apparently doesnt want to play with the greatest player since Jordan. Strike 3. I personally have very little interest in a player if they dont care about winning situations.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RJ87 on July 07, 2018, 07:04:46 PM
76ers Considered Only East Team Kawhi Leonard Would Re-Sign With

While the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers are Kawhi Leonard's preferred teams if he is traded by the San Antonio Spurs, he would consider the Philadelphia 76ers.

"I want to add clarity to that," said Chris Haynes on The Jump. "Los Angeles are his preferred destinations. He will consider Philly. That's the only Eastern Conference team he would consider if they're able to put a package together."

The Boston Celtics have interest in Leonard, but he reportedly doesn't have interest in re-signing with that franchise if he's traded there.

The 76ers are believed to be keeping Markelle Fultz off limits in trade talks with the Spurs.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/15203328

I would LOVE to know WHY he would NOT re-sign in Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smitty77

Some players honestly could care less if they win or not. Obviously if he wants to leave the Spurs that's strike 1. Doesnt want to go to Boston where he would have a great chance to consistently win. Strike 2. Apparently doesnt want to play with the greatest player since Jordan. Strike 3. I personally have very little interest in a player if they dont care about winning situations.

Looking at things more fully, Kawhi's already a Finals MVP. He has a ring. He's a multiple Defensive Player of the Year winner, All-Star, All-NBA player. He's accomplished a ton on the court, but he hasn't been able to translate that success into off-court branding. Jordan Brand offered him significantly less during his most recent sneaker negotiations than his peers ($20 million. Comparatively Kevin Durant got $300 million from Nike). He doesn't have any flashy endorsements like Paul George with Gatorade or Kyrie Irving with Pepsi. His team seems to think that's because he's in a small market (I think it has more to do with his personality - Kyrie built a global brand in the middle of Cleveland, pre-Lebron, but I digress), and moving him to a bigger market will help him.

Now when you look at markets and basketball fits that make sense, his team preferences make sense. LA is a huge market, so either team works. But he prefers the Clippers now because he can be the "man" there. Lakers are and will be Lebron's team. Philly isn't a huge market like New York or even Chicago, but it's a step up from San Antonio as that's an up and coming team and it actually gives him a pretty good shot at winning. Yes, he'd join a team with 2 young stars but he'd clearly by that team's best player. Boston doesn't make a ton of sense because Kyrie is here and Kyrie is going to get a ton of attention marketing wise. He's already a Nike signature athlete, he has his own movie. He's going to get a ton of attention.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on July 07, 2018, 07:07:13 PM
I think he's trying to go to a big market where he can be the big face in town. Possibly to get a big shoe deal or endorsements
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 09, 2018, 02:57:22 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 10, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 10, 2018, 04:54:45 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2018, 06:10:48 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?

Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 10, 2018, 06:16:46 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?

Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?

Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2018, 06:35:32 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?

Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?

Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.

Well I think the idea is actually trying to add Leonard to Demar and Lowry.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on July 10, 2018, 06:42:01 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?

Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?

Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.

Well I think the idea is actually trying to add Leonard to Demar and Lowry.

Hard to do unless SAS is high on a Valanciunas or Ibaka (lol)

Or they could package a bunch of their young guys on cheaper contracts to get it done (including OG), but then that guts their team and weakens their bench considerably.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?

Why don't people think that adding a top 5 player would make Toronto a contender?

Also, when you consider Lowry/DeRozan all these years continually choke in the playoffs and underwhelm, I think you'd definitely entertain dealing one of the two and some other assets to acquire Kawhi + Mills (to make salaries all work). San Antonio might not want to go into a full rebuild and maybe willing to take back one of DeRozan/Lowry in a package.

Well I think the idea is actually trying to add Leonard to Demar and Lowry.

Hard to do unless SAS is high on a Valanciunas or Ibaka (lol)

Or they could package a bunch of their young guys on cheaper contracts to get it done (including OG), but then that guts their team and weakens their bench considerably.

I think the idea i heard floated was og, valuncias, and either siakim/other plus picks. Not sure how much is being offered to san antonio for the rental, but could approach being reasonable. Ibaka is beyond cooked.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 10, 2018, 06:59:33 PM
Leonard is refusing any teams access to his medical records. He has not played basketball in over a year and is threatening to sit out this year as well. I'm not interested. The guy is a head case.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 10, 2018, 07:57:34 PM
San Antonio not likely to deal with Toronto unless Demar included. Don’t even think that would tickle their fancy.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 11, 2018, 10:21:33 AM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Toronto's run is over.  They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title.  And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.

If the Raptors traded Powell, OG, Poeltl, Siakam, filler, and their 1st next summer for Kawhi, that would leave the Raptors with the best starting 5 in the East (Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, Valanciunas), which still has some depth (VanVleet, Wright, Nogueira, Richardson) and a team that at least on paper might give the Warriors fits.  I don't see why they wouldn't take that chance.  Now the real question is, is that the best the Spurs are going to do.

As others have said, it could be a larger trade where Lowry or DeRozan (and a young player or two) goes out for Leonard and Mills, though I think that is a lesser option for the Raptors because I don't think that makes them the best team in the East.

Milwaukee has plenty of potential trades out there.  It could be Parker in a sign and trade or Middleton as the main piece, but they could also include Maker, Brogdon, and/or DiVincenzo.  They could also include someone like Henson and take Gasol back (shaving dollars from the Spurs).  So is Parker/Middleton, Maker, Brogdon, and DiVincenzo (maybe a 1st) a good enough package for the Spurs, I don't know, but it seems to be better than what Philly and LA have reportedly offered.  Post trade the Bucks would be Bledsoe, Leonard, Middleton/Parker, Giannis, Lopez, Snell, Plumlee, Henson, Ilyasova, Delly, Wilson, Jennings, Zeller, etc.  That team would have a pretty good shot at coming out of the East, and would pose some issues for the Warriors given the match-up problem Giannis, Leonard, and Middleton/Parker would pose for the Warriors (or for that matter any team).  It also is a pretty darn deep team with a well constructed bench.  Then you have the outside shot that Giannis and Kawhi really hit it off and Kawhi ends up wanting to spend the rest of his prime with a monster like Giannis next to him. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: kraidstar on July 11, 2018, 10:45:42 AM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Toronto's run is over.  They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title.  And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.

If the Raptors traded Powell, OG, Poeltl, Siakam, filler, and their 1st next summer for Kawhi, that would leave the Raptors with the best starting 5 in the East (Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, Valanciunas), which still has some depth (VanVleet, Wright, Nogueira, Richardson) and a team that at least on paper might give the Warriors fits.  I don't see why they wouldn't take that chance.  Now the real question is, is that the best the Spurs are going to do.

As others have said, it could be a larger trade where Lowry or DeRozan (and a young player or two) goes out for Leonard and Mills, though I think that is a lesser option for the Raptors because I don't think that makes them the best team in the East.

Milwaukee has plenty of potential trades out there.  It could be Parker in a sign and trade or Middleton as the main piece, but they could also include Maker, Brogdon, and/or DiVincenzo.  They could also include someone like Henson and take Gasol back (shaving dollars from the Spurs).  So is Parker/Middleton, Maker, Brogdon, and DiVincenzo (maybe a 1st) a good enough package for the Spurs, I don't know, but it seems to be better than what Philly and LA have reportedly offered.  Post trade the Bucks would be Bledsoe, Leonard, Middleton/Parker, Giannis, Lopez, Snell, Plumlee, Henson, Ilyasova, Delly, Wilson, Jennings, Zeller, etc.  That team would have a pretty good shot at coming out of the East, and would pose some issues for the Warriors given the match-up problem Giannis, Leonard, and Middleton/Parker would pose for the Warriors (or for that matter any team).  It also is a pretty darn deep team with a well constructed bench.  Then you have the outside shot that Giannis and Kawhi really hit it off and Kawhi ends up wanting to spend the rest of his prime with a monster like Giannis next to him.

Nah. Even assuming Kawhi is mentally and physically healthy it is not close. Ibaka is outright trash. Valenciunas is soft and wildly overrated. Doesn't defend the rim. Lowry is a choker and is past his prime. DeRozan is OK but doesn't play good D. I'd bet other teams would value our players at every single position except SF. Raptors are gonna get exposed once again next year no matter what hey do. They are COOKED

Kyrie > Lowry
Brown = DeRozan
Hayward < Kawhi
Tatum >> Ibaka
Horford >> Valenciunas

Boston Bench >> Toronto Bench
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 11, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
So now Toronto is "generating buzz" as a team that could trade for Kawhi.

With Lebron leaving the East, Toronto may continue to "go for it". That said, they probably also might have doubts about a DeRozan/Lowry back court going forward. The report says they may trade one of the two + pick(s) + young piece for Mills and Leonard.

I wouldn't mind that. Toronto IMO (stubbornly) has to do something and that could include gambling on a rental. Meanwhile, it's good for us because I still think we can beat TOR, but more importantly it keeps him away from PHI.
a week ago I said on here that Toronto and Milwaukee should both be working the phones to take a flyer on Kawhi.  It seems Toronto listened.

I’m glad you got Toronto to listen to you, but how come Milwaukee hasn’t yet?

I think it’s a terrible idea for both, but moreso Toronto. They have two all-stars and a deep-ish team, are they really going to break that up for an assured rental that probably doesn’t even get them out of East (let alone a championship)? I think they should trade one (or even both) of their stars, but for a rebuild, not a rental.

As for Milwaukee... what would they give up? Outside of Giannis, who would they want? S&T of Parker? Meh, what else? And that would also almost assuredly be a rental. Going to a smaller market with an already established younger superstar?
Toronto's run is over.  They are probably going to break up their next year anyway, so why not give it a last chance run at a title.  And you never know, maybe Kawhi falls in love with the City and organization like George did in OKC.

If the Raptors traded Powell, OG, Poeltl, Siakam, filler, and their 1st next summer for Kawhi, that would leave the Raptors with the best starting 5 in the East (Lowry, DeRozan, Leonard, Ibaka, Valanciunas), which still has some depth (VanVleet, Wright, Nogueira, Richardson) and a team that at least on paper might give the Warriors fits.  I don't see why they wouldn't take that chance.  Now the real question is, is that the best the Spurs are going to do.

As others have said, it could be a larger trade where Lowry or DeRozan (and a young player or two) goes out for Leonard and Mills, though I think that is a lesser option for the Raptors because I don't think that makes them the best team in the East.

Milwaukee has plenty of potential trades out there.  It could be Parker in a sign and trade or Middleton as the main piece, but they could also include Maker, Brogdon, and/or DiVincenzo.  They could also include someone like Henson and take Gasol back (shaving dollars from the Spurs).  So is Parker/Middleton, Maker, Brogdon, and DiVincenzo (maybe a 1st) a good enough package for the Spurs, I don't know, but it seems to be better than what Philly and LA have reportedly offered.  Post trade the Bucks would be Bledsoe, Leonard, Middleton/Parker, Giannis, Lopez, Snell, Plumlee, Henson, Ilyasova, Delly, Wilson, Jennings, Zeller, etc.  That team would have a pretty good shot at coming out of the East, and would pose some issues for the Warriors given the match-up problem Giannis, Leonard, and Middleton/Parker would pose for the Warriors (or for that matter any team).  It also is a pretty darn deep team with a well constructed bench.  Then you have the outside shot that Giannis and Kawhi really hit it off and Kawhi ends up wanting to spend the rest of his prime with a monster like Giannis next to him.

Nah. Even assuming Kawhi is mentally and physically healthy it is not close. Ibaka is outright trash. Valenciunas is soft and wildly overrated. Doesn't defend the rim. Lowry is a choker and is past his prime. DeRozan is OK but doesn't play good D. I'd bet other teams would value our players at every single position except SF. Raptors are gonna get exposed once again next year no matter what hey do. They are COOKED

Kyrie > Lowry
Brown = DeRozan
Hayward < Kawhi
Tatum >> Ibaka
Horford >> Valenciunas

Boston Bench >> Toronto Bench

This proposal seems silly. San Antonio is not going to trade Kawhi to Toronto if DeRozan not included in the trade, and even then it is very dubious.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Cman on July 11, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
Leonard is refusing any teams access to his medical records. He has not played basketball in over a year and is threatening to sit out this year as well. I'm not interested. The guy is a head case.

Which is why the Spurs will take what they can get....
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on July 11, 2018, 11:29:11 AM
Leonard is refusing any teams access to his medical records. He has not played basketball in over a year and is threatening to sit out this year as well. I'm not interested. The guy is a head case.

Which is why the Spurs will take what they can get....

If this is the case why pay someone money to sit and pout. Waive him and stretch his salary
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 12, 2018, 03:07:54 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Timdawgg on July 12, 2018, 03:12:21 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Sure is:

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 03:19:35 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Sure is:

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/

Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 12, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Sure is:

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/

Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player.  Sometimes they should.  I really don't know what Philly should do.  Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season.  So they are in a tough spot.  The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Sure is:

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/

Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player.  Sometimes they should.  I really don't know what Philly should do.  Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season.  So they are in a tough spot.  The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.

If the price is Covington and Saric and draft picks does that really ruin their future title chances? Can't they still sign the same guys next summer if they lose Leonard? They would still have the same space?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 12, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
every year passes Lewhiners drawing power diminishes.

Go ahead Kawhi ...sit out a year ,  lose millions ......is LA really worth that to join he cry baby
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: ETNCeltics on July 12, 2018, 03:47:30 PM
Vegas now favors Raptors as his landing spot.
Sure is:

https://fastbreakdaily.com/2018/07/12/leonard-toronto/

Wow I was starting to think Philly could get him, but they have the same odds as us. Are they really going to roll the dice on getting him or butler next offseason with a million teams having cap space?
Sometimes teams are better off not trading the farm for a player.  Sometimes they should.  I really don't know what Philly should do.  Adding Leonard makes them a true contender, and maybe even the favorite in the East, but if he leaves them then they have killed their real title chances at any point past next season.  So they are in a tough spot.  The Lakers though should absolutely pony up to get him otherwise they waste one of the few seasons of Lebron's prime that he has left.

If the price is Covington and Saric and draft picks does that really ruin their future title chances? Can't they still sign the same guys next summer if they lose Leonard? They would still have the same space?
No, they're not FA's next offseason. Though they'd have the space to sign a max player.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on July 12, 2018, 03:49:34 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on July 12, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.

It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2018, 04:17:25 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.

It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
Yeah, it should be interesting to see just how many tens of millions of dollars Kawhi cost himself by handling things the way he did.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.

It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.

I am wondering what his health status is myself
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on July 12, 2018, 04:26:28 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.

It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.

I guess the only thing with a super max deal it makes it tougher to match salaries in a trade unless if you are trading with a team that has cap space.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 12, 2018, 05:50:55 PM
If you were to have asked me a year ago today, who I thought was the one player in the league that just wanted to play basketball and could care less about any drama, I wouldn't have hesitated to say Kawhi. Fast forward to today, and he seems radioactive and completely untrustworthy. I can't remember the last top five player in any sport, devaluating themselves so quickly.

I think he knows/believes that he will receive a max contract next off season. It seems to me, that he is focused on doing anything he can to lower his trade value and decreasing the return for the Spurs. He must really have it out to hurt this Spurs team.

It’s just a terrible strategy, too. Why not sign the supermax, then demand the trade next off-season.
There is no indication the Spurs ever offered him supermax.  If they did, there'd have to be significant injury protection.  Assuming he qualifies, they can always offer him supermax next offseason. 
Title: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: rollie mass on July 18, 2018, 04:41:45 PM
Imagine the Spurs sending him to a cold out of the country Eastern team and that has higher taxes.Gotta love the destination as far from California as you can get.New coach and a dismembered team.He can't sit out or he loses free agent status.
DeRozan made sure he doesn't trust management.
For a quiet guy, he is in the center of a toxic situation and risks the hatred of Raptors fans and the constant media attention-not the good kind.
Pops has got to be in hysterics.
The higher Canadian tax situation is the cherry on top.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Surferdad on July 18, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
Boston is farther away from San Antonio than Toronto, and just as cold.  In basketball terms, the only thing that mattered was that the trading team was in the EC.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: hpantazo on July 18, 2018, 04:55:40 PM
Spurs got a great return for a guy on an expiring contract who sat out more than a year and made it clear he not only wants out, but want to go to LA.

Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected 1st is an awesome return.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 18, 2018, 05:04:54 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: MasterEmile on July 18, 2018, 05:09:54 PM
I love how cold blooded pop was.
You want to go home? I'm deporting you.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Big333223 on July 18, 2018, 05:12:12 PM
Boston is farther away from San Antonio than Toronto, and just as cold.  In basketball terms, the only thing that mattered was that the trading team was in the EC.

No way. Toronto is definitely colder.

Also, probably merge topics?
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Sophomore on July 18, 2018, 05:12:24 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Sophomore on July 18, 2018, 05:13:24 PM
Spurs got a great return for a guy on an expiring contract who sat out more than a year and made it clear he not only wants out, but want to go to LA.

Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected 1st is an awesome return.

Have to agree they got a lot back considering their limited leverage.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.

I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Sophomore on July 18, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.

I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.

Don't do it! DC needs you!!
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: playdream on July 18, 2018, 05:20:03 PM
Imagine the Spurs sending him to a cold out of the country Eastern team and that has higher taxes.Gotta love the destination as far from California as you can get.New coach and a dismembered team.He can't sit out or he loses free agent status.
DeRozan made sure he doesn't trust management.
For a quiet guy, he is in the center of a toxic situation and risks the hatred of Raptors fans and the constant media attention-not the good kind.
Pops has got to be in hysterics.
The higher Canadian tax situation is the cherry on top.
Yeah that is just beautiful
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 05:20:25 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.

I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.

Don't do it! DC needs you!!

It’s too hot here!
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: kraidstar on July 18, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
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Yeah, it is indeed really nice. Reminds me of a massive version of Portland, ME. Great food, cute girls, lots of money, very low crime, generally nice people. Visually appealing. And a forgiving media.

Also, I haven't heard this mentioned, but the exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. Kawhi is getting paid in American money, and that will go a long way up there. That should help offset the taxes should he choose to stay.

Don't be shocked if he has a change of heart after spending some time there and wants to stay.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 18, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
yes indeed. it is one of the nicer cities in north america. i urge you all to run up there now and see for yourselves.  ;D
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: CF033 on July 18, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
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Yeah, it is indeed really nice. Reminds me of a massive version of Portland, ME. Great food, cute girls, lots of money, very low crime, generally nice people. Visually appealing. And a forgiving media.

Also, I haven't heard this mentioned, but the exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. Kawhi is getting paid in American money, and that will go a long way up there. That should help offset the taxes should he choose to stay.

Don't be shocked if he has a change of heart after spending some time there and wants to stay.

I actually see it as a much more polite, smaller version of NYC. Toronto is way bigger than Boston.

It's a great city.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 18, 2018, 07:10:26 PM
Imagine the Spurs sending him to a cold out of the country Eastern team and that has higher taxes.Gotta love the destination as far from California as you can get.New coach and a dismembered team.He can't sit out or he loses free agent status.
DeRozan made sure he doesn't trust management.
For a quiet guy, he is in the center of a toxic situation and risks the hatred of Raptors fans and the constant media attention-not the good kind.
Pops has got to be in hysterics.
The higher Canadian tax situation is the cherry on top.

Power move by the Spurs and Pop.  "Oh you want to play in sunny Los Angeles?... Oh you're going to hold out for two years if we don't trade you there?   Enjoy Canada."
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 01:37:19 AM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.

I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.

Don't do it! DC needs you!!

It’s too hot here!

Last great mind who made such a move was Descartes to Sweden and we all know how this ended. Just don't it salty.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: SparzWizard on July 19, 2018, 01:40:13 AM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.
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Yeah, it is indeed really nice. Reminds me of a massive version of Portland, ME. Great food, cute girls, lots of money, very low crime, generally nice people. Visually appealing. And a forgiving media.

Also, I haven't heard this mentioned, but the exchange rate is VERY favorable right now. Kawhi is getting paid in American money, and that will go a long way up there. That should help offset the taxes should he choose to stay.

Don't be shocked if he has a change of heart after spending some time there and wants to stay.

I actually see it as a much more polite, smaller version of NYC. Toronto is way bigger than Boston.

It's a great city.

I've toured Boston and Toronto (and parts of the east coast during my trip being a Californian). Very nice cities. Toronto's tax seemed high though. The weather and environments are much more qualitative than SoCal. We need rain here.

Being a Boston fan though, I'd rather deal with Toronto/Raptors fans than those pests walking around in their yellow-purple jerseys with either the #24, #8, or the-now #23 imprinted on their backs. Suddenly a lot of LeBron fans in LA lol.
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 02:01:55 AM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

It's nice a few months a year. I guess it's a plus that NBA players get to fly South for a lot of November-March.

I’d move to Toronto in a heartbeat if my wife and I could find jobs there.

Don't do it! DC needs you!!

It’s too hot here!

Last great mind who made such a move was Descartes to Sweden and we all know how this ended. Just don't it salty.

I grew up only 100 miles from Toronto, so it’s okay.  The comparison isn’t  apt for me.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: KGs Knee on July 19, 2018, 02:14:51 AM
TOR is a pretty nice town folks, if you never have been there it is very nice.

Yeah, Toronto is a very nice city.

I wouldn't want to live there, though, but that has more to do with the fact I don't have any interest in living in any city (I prefer rural life), and Canada's taxes suck.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 19, 2018, 06:52:45 AM
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.

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The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 19, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
I liked us better without him anyways.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.

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The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.

Saw this.  This requires one of three conclusions:

1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong

The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on July 19, 2018, 08:18:17 AM
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.

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The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.

Saw this.  This requires one of three conclusions:

1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong

The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.

Or 4) the Celtics made a contingent offer based upon getting the necessary assurances about Kawhi’s health and future plans.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 08:27:34 AM
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.

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The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.

Saw this.  This requires one of three conclusions:

1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong

The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.

Or 4) the Celtics made a contingent offer based upon getting the necessary assurances about Kawhi’s health and future plans.

For sure 4 is a possibility, but that’s implied as a separate “offer”.  For the bolded to be true, it has to be one of the three above.  And I’d seen the bolded come from other ESPN reporters too, so it’s possible this is an internal loop at the worldwide leader.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on July 19, 2018, 08:32:27 AM
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but Lowe reported the Celtics never made any of their core guys available in a Leonard trade, including Jaylen Brown.

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The Spurs never showed interest in packages -- including Boston's -- heavy on picks and unproven players, sources have said. The Celtics would not swap any of their core guys, including Jaylen Brown, perhaps the most interesting Leonard trade chip in the league, without some assurances about Leonard's health and future plans, sources have said.

Saw this.  This requires one of three conclusions:

1) The Celtics tried to work out a sign and trade involving Marcus Smart
2) The Celtics did not make any offer
3) Zach Lowe is wrong

The Celtics could literally have offered every tradable player under contract, but if they weren’t including any of their top 5, the salaries couldn’t match.

Or 4) the Celtics made a contingent offer based upon getting the necessary assurances about Kawhi’s health and future plans.

For sure 4 is a possibility, but that’s implied as a separate “offer”.  For the bolded to be true, it has to be one of the three above.  And I’d seen the bolded come from other ESPN reporters too, so it’s possible this is an internal loop at the worldwide leader.
They could have just done a sign and trade with Larkin or Monroe with the 1st year being the only guaranteed year in the contract. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: greece66 on July 20, 2018, 07:29:39 AM
Leonard's physical scheduled for Friday

https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/In-Leonard-swap-Green-becomes-collateral-damage-13090391.php
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 24, 2018, 02:00:25 PM
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David Robinson tells me Kawhi Leonard’s departure from San Antonio is “one of the oddest situations I’ve seen since I’ve been in pro basketball." He says he tried to reach out to Kawhi several times in recent months, but never got an answer back.

https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/1021509410726797313
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 25, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
For as long as Kawhi has been in San Antonio Kawhi hasn't liked to talk and seen through the prism of the Spurs, it's been a good thing. He's been talked about as the perfect Spur because he was no drama.

The thing is, Tim Duncan was no drama but he was also a great communicator. It turns out that Kawhi's lack of talking isn't him being professional or trying to stay out of drama its that he's a bad communicator. This bodes poorly for his prospects as the leader of a team outside the Spurs system.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 25, 2018, 10:52:16 AM
Kawhi passed physical.

Trade is official.

Prediction: Kawhi will come to love Toronto, and sign a long term deal with them. 

If so, they will be our biggest threat in the Eastern Conference.

Not Philly.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on July 25, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
Kawhi passed physical.

Trade is official.

Prediction: Kawhi will come to love Toronto, and sign a long term deal with them. 

If so, they will be our biggest threat in the Eastern Conference.

Not Philly.
Seeing Philly spurned by FA's, miss out on Kawhi, lose their GM in an absolute fiasco and be relegated to the third best team in the East long-term would be awesome beyond words. Can't stand many of their players and many of their fans
Title: Re: Kawhi to Siberia
Post by: Moranis on July 25, 2018, 01:35:20 PM
Boston is farther away from San Antonio than Toronto, and just as cold.  In basketball terms, the only thing that mattered was that the trading team was in the EC.

No way. Toronto is definitely colder.

Also, probably merge topics?
It is slightly colder, but not significantly. 
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Canada/Ontario/Places/toronto-temperatures-by-month-average.php

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Massachusetts/Places/boston-temperatures-by-month-average.php

It also gets slightly more snow, though actually snows on significantly more days.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Canada/Ontario/Places/toronto-snowfall-totals-snow-accumulation-averages.php

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Massachusetts/Places/boston-snowfall-totals-snow-accumulation-averages.php
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on December 28, 2018, 08:49:33 PM
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry?  they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out.  Tonight they are down 30 to the magic

although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on December 28, 2018, 09:03:28 PM
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry?  they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out.  Tonight they are down 30 to the magic

although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both

They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on December 28, 2018, 10:44:34 PM
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry?  they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out.  Tonight they are down 30 to the magic

although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both

They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
until they ran into Lebron James.  Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on December 28, 2018, 10:47:45 PM
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry?  they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out.  Tonight they are down 30 to the magic

although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both

They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
until they ran into Lebron James.  Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.

And Kawhi has already beaten Lebron in a playoff series in which he was the primary defender on Lebron. Kawhi definitely makes the Raptors a much better team.

Whether or not he stays there after this season is a whole other matter though.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 29, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
anyone notice that SO FAR this season it's not KL that makes all the difference but actually Lowry?  they beat clips and warriors (and others) w/o Kawhi but don't play as well when Lowry is out.  Tonight they are down 30 to the magic

although in the playoffs of course their ceiling is higher with both

They had Lowry last year though, and how far did that get them?
until they ran into Lebron James.  Same thing in each of the last 3 seasons.

And Kawhi has already beaten Lebron in a playoff series in which he was the primary defender on Lebron. Kawhi definitely makes the Raptors a much better team.

Whether or not he stays there after this season is a whole other matter though.
His team with Pop and his big 3 has beaten Lebron in a playoff
Kawhi on Raptors has achieved nothing so far
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 29, 2018, 06:28:07 AM
Yes, I think that after initially fans didn't give enough attention to Leonard that they're now fearing to continue to underrate and therefore overrate him. Another factor is that people always want to address team's success to individual accomplishments. But Toronto was already an excellent team when DeRozan was there.

Leonard is Toronto's best player, he's a superstar and top 10 in the league, but he isn't a threat like Durant, James or Antetokounmpo who carry their teams every game and are basically unstoppable.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Briantir on January 13, 2019, 01:01:12 AM
Yes, I think that after initially fans didn't give enough attention to Leonard that they're now fearing to continue to underrate and therefore overrate him. Another factor is that people always want to address team's success to individual accomplishments. But Toronto was already an excellent team when DeRozan was there.

Leonard is Toronto's best player, he's a superstar and top 10 in the league, but he isn't a threat like Durant, James or Antetokounmpo who carry their teams every game and are basically unstoppable.

I beg to differ Leonard is absolutely unstoppable and can go toe to toe against anyone in this league, his incredible defense also is game changing Leonard impacts the game so heavily on both ends of the floor he can absolutely carry Toronto to the finals.

Think about this way Leonard will lock down the best player on any team and if you don't double team or triple team him on offense he'll shoot over you from anywhere he's complete basketball player.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 13, 2019, 01:36:48 AM
I'm thinking Ainge should've probably made an offer for Kawhi Leonard over the summer. Obviously, include Rozier/Brown/another player and a pick in the deal. He'd give the Celtics more wins and possibly a trip to the Finals. The Raptors-powered team wouldn't be what they are today if Leonard came here.

But no guarantees of him signing an extension, though Danny can play the convincing game.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 13, 2019, 01:41:41 AM
I'm thinking Ainge should've probably made an offer for Kawhi Leonard over the summer. Obviously, include Rozier/Brown/another player and a pick in the deal. He'd give the Celtics more wins and possibly a trip to the Finals. The Raptors-powered team wouldn't be what they are today if Leonard came here.

But no guarantees of him signing an extension, though Danny can play the convincing game.
That offer doesn't get Kawhi.  The Spurs wanted a star caliber play in return. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: Moranis on January 14, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
I'm thinking Ainge should've probably made an offer for Kawhi Leonard over the summer. Obviously, include Rozier/Brown/another player and a pick in the deal. He'd give the Celtics more wins and possibly a trip to the Finals. The Raptors-powered team wouldn't be what they are today if Leonard came here.

But no guarantees of him signing an extension, though Danny can play the convincing game.
That offer doesn't get Kawhi.  The Spurs wanted a star caliber play in return.
They wanted to still compete, I wouldn't be so sure they were actually looking for a star.  If Boston had offered Rozier, Brown, Morris, and a couple of 1st's early enough in the process, they might have had a real chance to get Kawhi and depending on what those 1st's were might have been the front runner. 
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on January 24, 2019, 08:00:09 PM
https://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-kawhi-leonard-rancho-santa-fe-home-20190124-story.html

Where Kawhi Leonard lands next basketball season is anyone’s guess, but it appears the Toronto Raptors star and impending free agent will be spending his offseasons in Rancho Santa Fe.

Leonard has paid $13.3 million for a home in the affluent San Diego County community. The purchase was made using a corporate entity that lists the two-time Defensive Player of the Year as manager, public records show.

Set on a lot of more than five acres, the Tuscan-style estate has been extensively renovated and updated for modern living.

Amenities include a workout facility with a dry bar, a home theater, a gourmet kitchen and two offices. A steel-framed wall of glass looks into a temperature-controlled wine vault in the tasting and bar room.
The 13,000 square feet of interior also holds seven bedroom suites including a customized master suite with two dressing rooms and a spa-like bath. There are 10.5 bathrooms in all.

Outdoors, the grounds center on a multi-section pool complete with a raised spa, a conversation/fire pit, waterfall features and Baja decks. Various patio areas, a tennis/sports court, fruit orchards and lawn fill out the setting.

The property had been listed for $15.995 million at the time of the sale, records show.

The purchase is a homecoming of sorts for Leonard, who played two seasons of college basketball at San Diego State University before entering the 2011 NBA Draft.

The 27-year-old forward began his career with the Spurs, with whom he spent seven seasons and won an NBA title in 2014. After requesting a trade from the team last year, Leonard was traded by San Antonio to Toronto in a deal involving fellow all-star DeMar DeRozan.

He will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

Laura Barry and Jason barry of Barry Estates were the listing agents. Laura Barry also represented the buyer.
Title: Re: Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on January 24, 2019, 08:34:39 PM
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He often drives a rehabbed ’97 Chevy Tahoe, nicknamed Gas Guzzler, which he drove across Southern California’s Inland Empire as a teenager. “It runs,” Leonard explains, “and it’s paid off.”

Blue book value on that baby is about $1,150, depending on your zip code. Not bad.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-1997-chevy-tahoe-hates-spotlight-star-031516 (https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-1997-chevy-tahoe-hates-spotlight-star-031516)

So I guess he has different requirements in a home than he does a car. So much for frugal Kawhi. I guess if you have a bazillion dollars, you can splurge every now and then.