Is league pass free for a few weeks?
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?
Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Should be the lineup tomorrow.
There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?So he's going to torch Tatum for 50 instead.
Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Should be the lineup tomorrow.
Nope, Brown on Giannis. Tatum on Middleton or Snell.There is absolutely no way we put Al on Giannis. Do we want him torching us for 50?So he's going to torch Tatum for 50 instead.
Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Should be the lineup tomorrow.
Ugh, I don't know if I can take another emotional game tomorrow night.Know how you feel. I am completely drained.
Really sucks that Morris is out right now, too. He'd be really helpful tomorrow.
Is Yabu playing tonight?
can someone explain to me how they start the season with a back to back? i thought they started the season early so we wouldn't have this situation
speculation is that the london trip we have midseason requires breaks on either side of the trip.can someone explain to me how they start the season with a back to back? i thought they started the season early so we wouldn't have this situation
That's exactly what I said in another tread. It's also 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.
Oh good Lord. Are we really going to get screwed by the refs at home now, too?! That block was CLEAN.
Nader getting some early PT...
its going to take time for Kyrie to integrateYeah, it's still really early and he just lost his biggest help on the offensive end.
Nader getting some early PT...
French Panda next?
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.
And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.Feeling a lot better about the injury now. Felt like an absolute gut punch when it happened
And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
I'm seriously just in awe of how good Tatum and Brown are looking together so far.I was just thinking Tatum is an old pro, so much like pierce, game seems to slow down for him. Then brown got the rebound and took it the length for a drive. Ready for this comparison? Not comparing his as a player but his handle, speed and step reminds me of this old UMASS guy. I think he became a doctor later in life. ;)
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.
And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Who confirmed it?
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.
And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Who confirmed it?
Surgery tonight in Boston. Good deal.
And it's confirmed a "clean" break! Great news. We might legitimately get some Gordo by the end of the season!
Who confirmed it?
Just announced it at the game.
Pretty immediately done with Abdel Nader.
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
Smart hurt?
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.He's back in, so seemingly nothing of note
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
Smart hurt?
So sick of Nader. Hope Smart's not hurt badly.
Nader is playing well...
These fouls Giannis is getting are laughable ::)
These fouls Giannis is getting are laughable ::)
He's getting the Bron calls!
yeah this nba LP feed is so delayed....sheesh
I feel like every comment is for something I see 4-5 min later
Delly is dirty.Yeah not surprised he'd be the one to take a shot at Marcus when its getting rough.
Delly is dirty.Yeah, I hate the constant praise he gets in Australia (where I live). Never been a fan
Theis!!!!
I love how Smart just elbowed the **** out of delle 2x by baiting him with upfakes. ****ing brutal.
I love how Smart just elbowed the **** out of delle 2x by baiting him with upfakes. ****ing brutal.That's how Parish and Bird retaliated against Laimbeer ;D
I think Horford is on steroids and/or timulant medication. He looks more active than I've seen him in years. George Gervin drives out there.
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.
Jaylen is awesome!!
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.
Lebron disagrees
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.
Please become an All-Star Jaylen
Brown is only 20 years old. What was Jimmy Butler doing at the same age?
Giannis gets the most liberal use of that off-arm that I've ever seen.
He threw Brown with his off hand and got away with it earlier. He's totally getting the Lebron treatment.
My Lord, Rozier is looking ridiculous.His defense (and maybe whole game) will make us forget old friend Avery pretty quickly
The hand check rule doesn't apply to Greek freak. If it did, he wouldn't be scoring as much as he always does
Jaylen needs to be getting those Freak calls!
Jaylen needs to be getting those Freak calls!
That's next year.
With NBA season back.. also comes the anxiety of dealing with refs... ::)
Fans start chanting "gordon Hayward" out of nowhere lol
that was nasty hit and landing
"GORDON HAYWARD" ;D
We just can't stop Giannis...
This Bucks team is sooo long. Their length is bothering the C's
We just can't stop Giannis...
We look like it's the second game of the season, with only 4 returning players, playing on the second night of a back to back. Why we were scheduled for this back to back on the first two nights of the season is still beyond me.
We just can't stop Giannis...
He keeps chickenwinging with his elbow. Every time.
Apparently that's "okay"?
We look like it's the second game of the season, with only 4 returning players, playing on the second night of a back to back. Why we were scheduled for this back to back on the first two nights of the season is still beyond me.
Smart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.
chris paul and harden say hiSmart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.
You can't be a renowned flopper and get many calls.
Okay, Kyrie needs to take charge this second half. This is what having your own team means. He needs to be more aggressive offensively.He’s not involved at all part of that is to do with Brad too. Also not his fault that he’s getting trapped to give the ball up in every pick and roll. This is why no Hayward hurts so much it’s gonna hurt Kyrie the most.
And LeBron.... and a multitude of other starschris paul and harden say hiSmart can't buy a freaking call for anything. This is ridiculous. He's been getting absolutely clobbered with nothing.
You can't be a renowned flopper and get many calls.
Would like a second measurement of Tatum. He's got to be longer than reported.
Well, that was unexpected.
I just got the first pang of "I miss IT, and regret we won't see him again".... when Kyrie hit that three.
He was just so unconscious in the clutch.
Tommy is admitting a Celtic fouled someone? Wow. Is an apocalypse coming
Tommy is admitting a Celtic fouled someone? Wow. Is an apocalypse coming
Well.. Walking Dead comes back on Sunday! :laugh:
FTWD Season 3 just ended though.
They changed the semi shot to a 3
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason
Love me some nader
Smart has the second most shots on this team. That's not good.He keeps taking the last second shots ... for no real reason
So, Giannis gets to both foul with the off-arm and walk in the same possession with no call? Lovely.Whole different set of rules for guys like him and Lebron
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.MIP in the bag ;)
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.
If somebody just started following the NBA this year, they'd think Brown was our best player.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
great pass from nader to Brown for the 3
Morris will guard the guys like LeBron and the Freak.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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he just doesn't like kyrie :PI can't stand watching Kyrie.
What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
he just doesn't like kyrie :PI can't stand watching Kyrie.
What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
::)I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I'm sorry, but this blatant star favoritism for Giannis is just insane. So unfair.
How blatant does the travel need to be!4 steps isn't enough!
he just doesn't like kyrie :PI can't stand watching Kyrie.
What happened? (Sorry I'm not watching live on TV, only using gamecast)
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
I'm sorry, but this blatant star favoritism for Giannis is just insane. So unfair.
Giannis "Ground" walker!!!!
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
Kyrie forcing it.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
Nice PnP between Rozier and Baynes
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
Nice passing by Milwaukee
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
You could give him more than 1.5 games to acclimate :P
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
Nice passing by Milwaukee
Where is our preseason passing?
Kyrie forcing it.
Without a wing like Hayward he's got to deal with 200% more attention from the defense and has to handle 150% of the offensive load.
Yeah, we're going to need a bit of time to adjust to the new offence.Nice passing by Milwaukee
Where is our preseason passing?
Gone with our preseason spacing and our 3rd best ballhandler/playmaker on the team.
Nice passing by Milwaukee
Where is our preseason passing?
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
??
His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
It's not like IT never had a bad shooting night.I can't stand watching Kyrie.
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His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
As I remember it, no, he did not. He was without flaw and you will not convince me otherwise.
I can't stand watching Kyrie.
??
His shot selection is atrocious and he's a terrible passer. I do not enjoy watching him play.
I guess you didn't like watching IT either
IT was efficient.
According to who you? IT got to the line more, had the ball in his hands more and was relied upon to score more. He took many ill advised shots and if you can name 3 games last year where he had more than 10 assists name them.
Kyrie 6-21... YEESH.
Lol Giannis literally goes back and forth RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN EFFING REF WITH NO CALL...It's completely game ruining. Makes watching an unpleasant experience
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us...
Celtics literally went from championship contenders to first-round fodders in just 24 hours.
Devastating.
Kyrie Irving is a SG. Like Iverson was.He wasn't yesterday
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
Celtics literally went from championship contenders to first-round fodders in just 24 hours.
Devastating.
Ita game 2, against a playoff team no less.. relax
Lol Giannis literally goes back and forth RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN EFFING REF WITH NO CALL...It's completely game ruining. Makes watching an unpleasant experience
Jesus tits, just get on your freaking knees for Giannis!! Such BS. I'm already sick and tired of NBA officiating the second game of the season.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Going to be a hell of a grind the first few months until these guys get more comfortable.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Going to be a hell of a grind the first few months until these guys get more comfortable.
Kyrie's a good player. Good players have bad games, and that's fine. But this is who Kyrie is. He's a volume scorer, a poor passer, and his default is always going to be low-percentage isolation looks. Again, he's good. Most nights will be way better than this, but he is not a superstar that will carry his team.
how much money do these refs have on this game?
Hate how the Cavs get like 3 days off after opening night, and Celtics forced to play 3 games in 4 nights to start the season.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Kyrie had a terrible shooting night. No conclusions. One game.
how much money do these refs have on this game?
a lot...
This is going to be a growing process...and for a while.
This team with the injury to Hayward has to depend on really young players.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
LOL you aren't biased against him at all.
He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.
Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.
it was the young players that provided the positives tonight.This is going to be a growing process...and for a while.
This team with the injury to Hayward has to depend on really young players.
Basically this. Its a whole new team, there are going to be growing pains regardless. Add to that the fact that we now have to rely heavily on young guys, its going to be a rough start to the season.
Nice game by Jaylen, when the zebras let him play!Which was almost never.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Kyrie had a terrible shooting night. No conclusions. One game.
It's not about the shots falling; it's the way he plays. His game is inherently inefficient. He's a bad passer and defender. He's very good, but he's not a superstar.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
here's one: he can walkHoly hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
LOL you aren't biased against him at all.
He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.
Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.
These two are not the same thing. If you want to present a coherent argument for Kyrie being better, then I'm all ears, but I doubt you can.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Kyrie had a terrible shooting night. No conclusions. One game.
It's not about the shots falling; it's the way he plays. His game is inherently inefficient. He's a bad passer and defender. He's very good, but he's not a superstar.
Literally everything you said about Kyrie could be said about IT. He only got super efficient after working with Brad. Give Kyrie a full season to learn the offense.
He clearly is feeling out when to shoot and when to move the ball.
here's one: he can walkHoly hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
LOL you aren't biased against him at all.
He is a better player than IT. Every single GM in the league would trade IT for Kyrie.
Please, quit hating. And I hate it when people saying hating, but you truly, truly are.
These two are not the same thing. If you want to present a coherent argument for Kyrie being better, then I'm all ears, but I doubt you can.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
Pretty obvious conclusion when Jaylen gets a foul called on him when Giannis has a fiEdited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.l of Jaylen's jersey.The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Celtics in big trouble
i don't know why people keep bringing up IT's historic season
...
why not bring up pierce's best year? or bird's?
none of them are happening again whether he was on our team or not
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.
It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.
The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.
It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.
Yea Kyrie looks terrible.
It's going to be a long season.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
Tatum with 10 and 9 rebounds in his first two games. Nice to see.Yeah, Tatum has done a great job helping out on the boards. Aggressive rebounder.
He had one really good game and one really poor one. Am I missing something here, or are you all just overreacting??2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.
It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.
Yea Kyrie looks terrible.
It's going to be a long season.
IT4 with a smile thinking.... i told you so Danny
Kyrie looking lost so far
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
He had one really good game and one really poor one. Am I missing something here, or are you all just overreacting??2 games in and Kyrie did something IT didn't do last year: 18 missed FGAs in one game.
It will get better, but these first two games have been depressing, albeit in wildly different ways.
Yea Kyrie looks terrible.
It's going to be a long season.
IT4 with a smile thinking.... i told you so Danny
Kyrie looking lost so far
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
Don't mind this loss that much. I expected this to be a tough game. Milwaukee a hard match-up for the Celtics right now with Hayward and Morris out injured. It was a close game. The young guys did great work for the team - Jaylen, Rozier, Tatum, Smart. If it wasn't for an absolute stinker of a performance from Kyrie, they would have won.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.
How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?
Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.
We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.
How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?
Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.
We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
I think Brad is a better coach than ozlodoev...
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.
How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?
Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.
We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
I think Brad is a better coach than ozlodoev...
kozolodev disagrees.
well i think we can ALL agree that no ref has ever decided the outcome of a game..Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Nets are now the 4th seed and we are 14th seed. Lo
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
well i think we can ALL agree that no ref has ever decided the outcome of a game..Blaming forces outside your control for losses just means you're excusing your poor results with something you can't work on or fix. Certainly the attitude of winners, Belichick and company do it every week.The Greek went to the line 13 times and the refs fouled out our best player....Yes, the mindset of perennial losers.
Calling me a "loser" just highlights your ignorance....
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.
How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?
Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.
We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in the first 10 games.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
I think we both know how untrue this is, because a) the eggs are clearly not all in the Kyrie basket, and b) what's the alternative? Maxing out a 5'9" guy coming off a major injury? No thanks.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
fixed that for you ;)CB already in their gloom and doom form already ;D. Chillax. Last season, we also have a pretty rough start with 5-5 record in the first 10 games.
We don't have a serviceable SF like Jae Crowder this year after Hayward went down. Kyrie so far playing lesser than IT4's level.
Celtics *FANS* are in panic mode already.
Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
In the interest of positivity:
1. Tatum looks awesome. Really knows how to use his length in all aspects of the game.
2. Jaylen, wow. That's all I've got. He's totally shattered my expectations. Advancements he's made as a finisher and ball-handler are remarkable. He looks like a stud.
3. Terry can play. People make fun of Danny for his Terry obsession, but Terry can really play.
4. Nader looked half decent.
5. Think Theis can be useful against teams without a Monroe-type.
hahaha..Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
And it's not like we were rolling offensively either. If I recall correctly, the previous possession ended with a horrible looking Smart three.Down 5 with 45 seconds to go? Nah, we're too cool for timeouts, a contested Irving pull-up will do.
This type of "coaching" is infuriating. >:( >:( >:(
TP. Don't understand Brad's philosophy with not calling timeouts in those situations either.
Brad is an absolute consensus top 5 coach, most people believe he is top 3.
How on earth do you think (and this is going back years with you) you know better than he does?
Brad is an A- coach that is very young. I cannot state strongly enough how foolish your critiscms of him come across.
We are incredibly, incredibly lucky to have Brad on the sideline.
Are we really going to do the "no criticism of Brad" thing again this year? You'd think he was Jesus incarnate from your posts harping on any who dares to *gasp* criticize the almighty Brad Stevens.
He can be both an excellent coach and still make mistakes. And, yeah, one of his main flaws is to not call timeouts in those situations, especially given his ATO play-calling abilities.
hahaha..Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
oh wait.. you're serious
i thought he won a championship a year ago?
i guess he was just a lowly role player
*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year
he'll need some time. i think he can do it
hahaha..Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
oh wait.. you're serious
i thought he won a championship a year ago?
i guess he was just a lowly role player
*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year
he'll need some time. i think he can do it
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championshiphahaha..Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
oh wait.. you're serious
i thought he won a championship a year ago?
i guess he was just a lowly role player
*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year
he'll need some time. i think he can do it
There's a big difference between being LeBron's sidekick and carrying a team yourself. Kyrie can be a part of a winning team; he can't carry one.
"We messed up on a lot of plays," said Terry Rozier, who notched 15 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two steals in the defeat. "That can't happen. Like (Stevens) said after the game: We're professionals, so we better learn the plays or we won't play."
"We just got a lot of guys that can play multiple positions, so when we call out the plays, some guys just run to the spots that they can play, and it just kind of messes us up," Rozier said. "But like I said, we just gotta get it right. We're professionals, we gotta just play off one another."
People shouldn't be overreacting. I think the bolded point from Stevens suggests how off they were.
Asked how to address the issue, Kyrie Irving said simply, "Learn the plays."
"Just understand the perception that we need in our preparation comes way before the games," Irving continued. "Like I said, it's going to come in waves and you see out there, we got Nader out there now, we got Shane (Larkin) out there, and to be honest with you, we haven't even, in the first group, practiced with those guys. Now they're out there playing big-time minutes and we need to utilize them and they gotta be in spots and know their spots 1 through 5. The reliance comes on the vets on this team and it trickles all the way down to the 15th guy. We gotta ... remain confident, unwavering in our approach, and we'll be fine."
i don't know and i don't carehahaha..Holy hell, people need to chiiillllllaaaaxxxxx. This is virtually a brand new team playing a really tough double-double to start the season. Oh, and we're literally down two starters who happen to play the same position as the guy that's killing us, not even mentioning the Hayward incident...
They deserve time, but Kyrie is still the same player he was in Cleveland. If you're relying on that player to take you places...good luck.
Dude had 22 pts, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals last night. It's a little arbitrary to pick this one out of the hat on the second night of a back to back... the second night of the sesaon with a brand new team... against a really good defensive team... and down two starters.
He played well yesterday (on the assists, though, rewatch them and honestly tell me that you think he's a good passer). Again, Kyrie is a very good player. Very good players have down nights. His style, however, is constant, and it's not a style that's conducive to winning.
You're not giving him enough credit or the benefit of the doubt. He had a terrible night, but given the context it's understandable. It's going to take awhile for him to get acclimated to this system and out of the iso-heavy system he spent six years in with Cleveland.
How has he earned benefit of the doubt? He's always been this player. Why do you expect him to radically change all of a sudden? Say what you want about Brad's system, but more so than ball movement, the central tenet of the system has always been player maximization. Brad's not going to try to change what Kyrie's good at (isolation scoring), he's going to try to maximize it. And I'm sure he will, but that skill maximized is not good enough to win. So, sure, Kyrie will likely get better as the year progresses, but the long-term health of this franchise is in jeopardy if all our eggs are actually in the Kyrie Irving basket.
How are they all in the Kyrie basket anymore than they are in the GH basket or the Al Horford basket? I don't understand that. We got 3 max guys on the team now, two stud young players. everything doesn't come down on Kyrie's shoulders. Our poor ball movement and poor player movement tonight isn't all on KI.
We didn't trade one of the best contracts in the NBA, an All-NBA Second Teamer, and the most valuable draft asset in the league for Hayward or Horford.
Man we have been over all this stuff over and over and over again in other threads. Do we really need to re-litigate the trade in the game threads now too? give me a break. We have the team we have.
Sorry that it didn't work out how you liked, but blaming DA, saying we threw everything in the KI basket is just really over the top for one bad game.
It's not about one bad game. If you think it is, you're just not listening to me. Bad games are fine. The style of play that created the bad game is not fine.
The style of play is not all on KI.
His style of play is on him. That's who he is and always has been.
oh man, the statements are getting even more outlandish. The C's style of play is mainly set by Brad. We didn't lose this game because of KI's 'style of play'. We lost it because we didn't play good enough team def to stop giannis, and because our spacing, ball movement and player movement on offense was poor. that comes from the whole team not just one player. KI was getting doubled a lot of the time tonight, other guys gotta move their butts and get to an open spot and attack the double team.
if you wanna blame every loss on one player this season is going to be a long one for you.
Not sure what's unclear about this. I could not care less about losing one game or Kyrie struggling in one game. I care about the way he plays--it's not conducive to winning.
oh wait.. you're serious
i thought he won a championship a year ago?
i guess he was just a lowly role player
*edit* but seriously he's definitely going to have to step it up for us to have a good year
he'll need some time. i think he can do it
But, serious question: If you swapped out Kyrie, how many players are there in the league that would have won a championship with CLE in 2016?
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
agreedthere's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
Yup. This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
Rozier after the game:Always beneficial to understand the perception that we need in our preparation. This perception, it comes way before the games.Quote"We messed up on a lot of plays," said Terry Rozier, who notched 15 points, seven rebounds, six assists and two steals in the defeat. "That can't happen. Like (Stevens) said after the game: We're professionals, so we better learn the plays or we won't play."
"We just got a lot of guys that can play multiple positions, so when we call out the plays, some guys just run to the spots that they can play, and it just kind of messes us up," Rozier said. "But like I said, we just gotta get it right. We're professionals, we gotta just play off one another."
People shouldn't be overreacting. I think the bolded point from Stevens suggests how off they were.
Kyrie as well:QuoteAsked how to address the issue, Kyrie Irving said simply, "Learn the plays."
"Just understand the perception that we need in our preparation comes way before the games," Irving continued. "Like I said, it's going to come in waves and you see out there, we got Nader out there now, we got Shane (Larkin) out there, and to be honest with you, we haven't even, in the first group, practiced with those guys. Now they're out there playing big-time minutes and we need to utilize them and they gotta be in spots and know their spots 1 through 5. The reliance comes on the vets on this team and it trickles all the way down to the 15th guy. We gotta ... remain confident, unwavering in our approach, and we'll be fine."
From Jay King's article.
how many points did Kyrie score tonight?How many shots did he miss though?
how many points did Kyrie score tonight?How many shots did he miss though?
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
Yup. This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
Yup. This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
Not really when you pay the price you paid for him. That haul puts the expectation of superstardom on Irving. I don't think he's capable of being that player, so I hated the trade. But everyone who defended it had the expectation that Irving would be that transformative player.
found box score.... we need more production out of Horford, and Tatum should be taking more shots.
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?
found box score.... we need more production out of Horford, and Tatum should be taking more shots.And Smart less...
Is Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?
Shooting himself in the foot is what he's doing.
there's like 15-20 players ever who could "carry" a team to a championship
Yup. This sudden "Kyrie is a superstar and should be carrying the team alone" narrative all the sudden is silly.
Not really when you pay the price you paid for him. That haul puts the expectation of superstardom on Irving. I don't think he's capable of being that player, so I hated the trade. But everyone who defended it had the expectation that Irving would be that transformative player.
He shoots too much alreadyIs Smart jacking all those ISO shots in hope of a new contract?
Shooting himself in the foot is what he's doing.
Two more things...
Smart gets thrown to the floor by Dellavedova and jumps up and gets in Dirty Delly's face and Henson comes in and shoves Smart and these officials call Smart for a T? And dirty delly gets to take the shot? Seriously?
Our free throw shooting needs vast improvement. Milwaukee 25-30 and we were 11-21.
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).
Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !
Giannis was a monster though.
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).
Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !
Giannis was a monster though.
I was us to have a monster.
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).He’s trying to find a rhythm especially with Gordon down don’t mind him taking those shots they’ll fall rather he then Marcus
Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !
Giannis was a monster though.
Frustrating loss, Kyrie was forcing tonight, I don't know if he felt he should "take over" since it was a back to back but he took terrible shots most of the time (and missed a lot of open ones).
Good performances by Jaylen and Jayson again, very encouraging. Theis is already a fan favorite !
Giannis was a monster though.
I was us to have a monster.
Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum say hi! They are only 19 and 20. Giannis is 22. They'll get their!