My suspicion is that Jackie can't get her bosses to sign off on a story about why and whether Rondo's departure is imminent because no one in the Boston front office is willing to go on the record about it beyond a 'no comment.'
That's not how it works. Since when did her bosses let a "no comment" from a front office prevent them from running a story?
Which is more likely...
1. Jackie has a piece of super juicy information that literally NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH HAS but they're not running with it.
2. Jackie doesn't actually have any hard info and was just BS-ing.
Mike
exactly. You also gotta add that she decided to let these other guys know said super juicy info for no reason whatsoever.....annnddd Rondo did this but he and his agent have decided to lie about it for the time being, knowing they will essentially be exposed later.
I'm going with wishful BSing, exaggerating, and speculating.
She's a human and prone to human mistakes. So am I. I could be wrong.
So she was never told anything, by any source that has inside information regarding the Celtics front office?
So quite simply she's made it up/speculating even with her overall good to very good reputation? Okay.
So you're saying that you absolutely believe it's true that Rondo's told the team that he wants out of Boston?
This thread is slowly dying, but I'll oblige.
I don't believe it's absolutely, positively, 110% true, because I don't know the true context of Jackie Mac's quote.
None of us do. So all we can do is draw conclusions/speculate from the information in front of us.
a) I do believe that Jackie Mac believes it's true that Rondo 'wants out' in one form or another.
b) I believe someone has told Jackie Mac this and she trusts them-whether or not that information is bogus or misleading- I have no idea, there is definitely a possibility of this.
c) I'll also give her a higher than normal level of credit than most NBA journalists because of her good history of Celtics inside information on matters like this one.
So the most logical conclusion I can come to is that using the information Jackie Mac has, added to the notion Rondo's trade value isn't that high right now, and that both he and the Celtics best bet of getting the best outcome for everyone is that he stay and finish the season in Boston
- I'd say there's a high possibility that he's said he wants out as a free agent if we can't get any more stars to Boston to play with him. I think he wants to play in Boston, but under the condition that we aren't rebuilding during his prime. I don't think he's asked for a trade.
Let me ask you Tim. Do you think it's absolutely untrue that Rondo may have told the Celtics he wants out if they don't add another star soon? Do you think Jackie Mac made up the whole thing?
I'll oblige too. These mental gymnastics people are going through are pretty hard to take seriously. The whole "I don't know the context of her quote" nonsense is by and large coming from people who were attacking posters who were scoffing at the claim when the people doing the attacking didn't take it at face value either You started this thread, you saw the video, you saw the question that led to her comment, and you saw her entire comment. You were talking about how emphatic she was in her claim, now you're saying the opposite. Based on your current line of thinking, her comments weren't really all that thread-worthy.
In regards to your question, obviously I'm not 100% sure that Rondo hasn't said he'd want out if the Celts don't add another star. However, that's pretty much unrelated to Jackie's claim, since that's not what she said. As for her actual comment, it's apparently too vague to talk about. Nobody knows whether it's her opinion or whether she has sources. Nobody knows whether she meant that Rondo told the team he wants out, or whether she meant that he told the team that he might leave under certain circumstances. She might as well have not even opened her mouth. I'd say that it's fairly unlikely that her actual comment was true and accurate, and much as it bothers them nobody who's been supporting her in the thread has disagreed with me.
The effort is there ("I don't believe it's absolutely, positively, 110% true") but then reality ("I'd say there's a high possibility that he's said he wants out as a free agent if we can't get any more stars to Boston to play with him. I think he wants to play in Boston, but under the condition that we aren't rebuilding during his prime. I don't think he's asked for a trade"). Based on the second comment, the first one would qualify as quite an understatement.
Just because someone doesn't disagree with you doesn't mean they agree with you. I disagree with you in the sense that (I believe) she wouldn't make these claims without serious trust in her source. Because of that, I think there's a possibility that this is very true.
Where did I change my line of thinking about how emphatic she was on her comments? That's one of the biggest reasons this thread exists, and why the rumor went nationally haywire.
I've been repeatedly targeted (understandably because I made the thread) for pointing out that Jackie MacMullan has a solid reputation as a journalist with a strong history of reporting factual information and breaking news and rumors about the Celtics, and that people shouldn't be judging Jackie without knowing the context of what she's said because she's been right on some very big Celtics moments in recent history.
Just take note that your first reply to this thread was pointing out that she was possibly incorrect about Rivers' and Rondo's relationship, and how she obviously really wants Rondo traded, and she's probably just re-hashing old information, and that not remembering Isiah Thomas was traded is somehow relevant to her credibility as a source for Celtics information. One could have predicted that would be your first line of input- or something similar, by discrediting MacMullan with your own speculation.
Sounds like she's just dredging up out of date comments (including the Kings and Thomas as a possible trade). If nothing else you can certainly see that she really wants the team to trade Rondo, whether any of the rest of it is accurate remains to be seen.
I'm not 'attacking you', I'm pointing out that instead of attempting to step back and look at what she's saying with an open mind, you've immediately decided to go on the attack instead of asking yourself if this could potentially be true. Point being that your historical emotional attachment to Rondo tends to impose bias on your
subjective opinion.
Then you've called D.o.s' context point 'absurd' when he suggested interpreting the quote in verbatim as lazy and you justified it with a Kevin Love example.
Yet you also said to LarBrd33 that Rondo's comments about Lebron leaving Miami should just be taken in the context of gamesmanship, and that he'd want Lebron to leave Miami because they're the best team.
Rondo wanting out shouldn't surprise anyone who has been paying attention. Last interview I heard with him, two things stuck out.
#1 - He said if he was in LeBron's shoes, he'd leave Miami, because they no longer could win a title and the whole point is to win championships in this league. INteresting considering the Heat had just been to the Finals. What's that say about Rondo when he plays for a 25-35 win team? Clearly shows that Rondo wants to play for a contender.
That's likely just gamesmanship though. Why wouldn't Rondo want LeBron to leave? That broke up the team that won the east 4 straight years.
Is it likely gamesmanship because it's Rondo? Or is Sir Rondo on the verbatim exclusion list?
I'm trying to point out that no matter what the topic is, you can't help yourself but justify your arguments based on your passionate love for our point guard, rather than logic in a lot of cases.
Posters like myself and D.o.s have attempted to explain why we think J Mac has got some credibility and why it could be true; in a completely reasonable and respectable manner. I don't know if the responses opposed to this rumor being credible have been overwhelmingly similar.
Other than me pointing out a few things to you in this reply(which seem fair and reasonable after your accusation of me of back tracking) I'm not exactly sure who's been attacked for suggesting that Jackie Mac's wrong here, I've seen some constructed reasoning as to why we should consider her information as more than just 'opinionated speculation' or 'complete crap' as some have put it.
If someone can point out to me why Jackie MacMullan would lie about this in a well constructed argument, I'm happy to listen.
All I've read so far are explanations as to why there couldn't possibly be any truth to this, and that the speculation as to what the context of this statement actually is, is ridiculous, meanwhile this opposing argument is based on speculation and opinion and is being mostly headlined by adamant Rondo supporters.
Then there are posters like MBunge who seem to share the same reasoning to me as to why Rondo wouldn't want a trade, but don't agree with my interpretation of Jackie Mac's statement. I don't think you should take the comment at face value because it was a short comment on what she thought was a private conversation with her colleagues and that impacts the context of where it came from.
Anyway, just so you know- I don't want to trade Rondo. I want to keep Rondo.
I'm assuming D.o.s wants to keep Rondo.
We are simply pointing out the reasons why you should not be so quick to dismiss this information as if it were A Sherod Blakely as the bearer of bad news.