Fords updated "10 names to be traded" list.

[KCattheStripe]

No.

As well as getting Love, they got Miller.  Now they might have done something dumb with Miller, but the original trade was good.


How good could Memphis be with Love and Gasol down low and the cap space the Randolph takes up?  They could not be worrying about having to have money to resign Gay.  Instead of drafting Thabeet, they could of grabbed Tyreke Evans.

Except they wouldn't have Zach Randolph now, and he's been the biggest reason for this turnaround.

So be it.  They would be a better team going forward with Love and Evans. 

I think you overrate Love and and I'm not sure  how well Evans functions with 4 legitimate 20 point threats along side of him.

Love is averaging 15 and 12.  How many NBA players are doing that right now? 

How many starting fours are AS defensively challenged as Love?

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIN10.HTM


The team is better defensively with Love on the court.

While not a great defender, he is improving.

compare
http://www.82games.com/0809/08MIN13.HTM


and comparable to Mayo

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MEM5.HTM

Thats because he plays the preponderance of minutes with Brewer and Wilkins, who are very good defenders. Also, yes I take the slight rebound deficiency between Randolph and Love for Randolph's far superior scoring advantage.

[wdleehi]

No.

As well as getting Love, they got Miller.  Now they might have done something dumb with Miller, but the original trade was good.


How good could Memphis be with Love and Gasol down low and the cap space the Randolph takes up?  They could not be worrying about having to have money to resign Gay.  Instead of drafting Thabeet, they could of grabbed Tyreke Evans.

Except they wouldn't have Zach Randolph now, and he's been the biggest reason for this turnaround.

So be it.  They would be a better team going forward with Love and Evans. 

I think you overrate Love and and I'm not sure  how well Evans functions with 4 legitimate 20 point threats along side of him.

Love is averaging 15 and 12.  How many NBA players are doing that right now? 

How many starting fours are AS defensively challenged as Love?

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIN10.HTM


The team is better defensively with Love on the court.

While not a great defender, he is improving.

compare
http://www.82games.com/0809/08MIN13.HTM


and comparable to Mayo

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MEM5.HTM

Thats because he plays the preponderance of minutes with Brewer and Wilkins, who are very good defenders. Also, yes I take the slight rebound deficiency between Randolph and Love for Randolph's far superior scoring advantage.

Not to mention:

Less money

No past issues

Lazy defense (do we need to post the video of him arguing with the ref out by the three point line while his man gets a wide open layup?) 

[KCattheStripe]

No.

As well as getting Love, they got Miller.  Now they might have done something dumb with Miller, but the original trade was good.


How good could Memphis be with Love and Gasol down low and the cap space the Randolph takes up?  They could not be worrying about having to have money to resign Gay.  Instead of drafting Thabeet, they could of grabbed Tyreke Evans.

Except they wouldn't have Zach Randolph now, and he's been the biggest reason for this turnaround.

So be it.  They would be a better team going forward with Love and Evans. 

I think you overrate Love and and I'm not sure  how well Evans functions with 4 legitimate 20 point threats along side of him.

Love is averaging 15 and 12.  How many NBA players are doing that right now? 

How many starting fours are AS defensively challenged as Love?

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MIN10.HTM


The team is better defensively with Love on the court.

While not a great defender, he is improving.

compare
http://www.82games.com/0809/08MIN13.HTM


and comparable to Mayo

http://www.82games.com/0910/09MEM5.HTM

Thats because he plays the preponderance of minutes with Brewer and Wilkins, who are very good defenders. Also, yes I take the slight rebound deficiency between Randolph and Love for Randolph's far superior scoring advantage.

Not to mention:

Less money

No past issues

Lazy defense (do we need to post the video of him arguing with the ref out by the three point line while his man gets a wide open layup?) 

The money is less of an issue when because of OJ opposing teams can't double Rudy. If they had KLove and not OJ, this team would be considerably worse, because they'd be losing and Rudy would leave anyway.

Past issues are past issues. also, they happened in two of the most dysfunctional organizations in the past ten years in the NBA.

His defense has actually been fairly good this season. I think when he struggles its because the team plays at such a pace that it increases how many defensive possessions they have.

[jdub1660]

One trade idea to move both Thabeet and Gay

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygdv7xq

Boston gets Gay, Marcus Williams and Jason Thompson

Memphis gets BBD and Kenny OR Noc(and showered with draft picks)

Sactown gets Giddens, Tony and Thabeet

Obviously for us we get Pierce's replacement, plus a backup PG and KG replacement(maybe)
Memphis gets all of our draft picks(if legal) for however many years they want them, plus a couple from the Kings. They also get BBD to compliment Gasol's game and either Nocioni(veteran exp) OR Kenny Thomas(extra cap space for 2010)
SAC gets a real center and get rid of Nocionis contract.

[shookones99]

Lazy defense (do we need to post the video of him arguing with the ref out by the three point line while his man gets a wide open layup?) 

Can you please?  I'm not sure how I missed that one.  But I would love to see it.

[the moops]

Only with less passing ability, rebounding ability, less athleticism and less scoring ability.

I just don't see what you guys are seeing in OJ Mayo. He does so little for his team outside of scoring (defense, rebounding, passing) and he's not that good of a scorer either. Not prolific (18ppg) or overly efficient (TS% of 54.8%). He's a solid scorer, a nice third option type of threat.

I don't see a star level impact from Mayo during games or mass potential when I watch him play. Too one-dimensional (only above average in his scoring ability). Not enough elsewhere.

You seem to be forgetting the obvious point that OJ Mayo is only half way through his second year in the league, and is only 22 years old.

Ray Allen, through his second year (also 22 years old) put up the following.
16.5 PTS, 4.5 RBS, 3.5 ASST, 43% FG, 37% 3PT, 54% TS, 48.5% EFG, 85% FT

OJ Mayo through his half of 2nd year

18.3 PTS, 3.8 RBS, 4.2 ASST, 44% FG, 38% 3PT, 54% TS, 50% EFG, 86% FT

They seem to be the exact same player.

[MF Doom]

One trade idea to move both Thabeet and Gay

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygdv7xq

Boston gets Gay, Marcus Williams and Jason Thompson

Memphis gets BBD and Kenny OR Noc(and showered with draft picks)

Sactown gets Giddens, Tony and Thabeet

Obviously for us we get Pierce's replacement, plus a backup PG and KG replacement(maybe)

Memphis gets all of our draft picks(if legal) for however many years they want them, plus a couple from the Kings. They also get BBD to compliment Gasol's game and either Nocioni(veteran exp) OR Kenny Thomas(extra cap space for 2010)
SAC gets a real center and get rid of Nocionis contract.

Do you really think we could land Gay and Jason Thomas without giving neither Ray nor Perk?