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Damian Lillard criticism of the wider NBA landscape
« on: March 15, 2023, 05:29:18 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud8y0oMpCcs

The video above is a segment from JJ Redick's podcast (which can be quite interesting, depending on who he is talking to), and it echoes some sentiments that I think are quite valuable. I thought his comments on the culture within the NBA were particularly interesting, mainly because I think most of us are well aware of how garbage the media that surrounds the NBA is.

Specifically, talking about the entitlement of incoming players and the lack of the more rugged veteran presences that Lillard had coming in. I thought it was interesting.

Sidenote: for a while, there was discussion on here over whether we'd trade Brown + assets for Lillard. A lot of people opposed it because of concerns over how he'd age, which I disagreed on, whilst perhaps being fair. He's averaging 32/7/5 on 47/38/92 splits, obviously with defensive mediocrity at best. Ageing pretty well thus far! I think I'd still trade JB and assets for Dame
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2023, 06:31:30 PM »

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He’s putting up great numbers but none of it is translating to winning.  I understand there’s something to be said for sticking with your team and not title-chasing, but his teams have still under-performed for years now.

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2023, 06:33:34 PM »

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Now if the Mavs had traded for him instead of Kyrie, they'd be a legit threat to come out of the West.

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 06:41:59 PM »

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He’s putting up great numbers but none of it is translating to winning.  I understand there’s something to be said for sticking with your team and not title-chasing, but his teams have still under-performed for years now.

Care to explain how a player who is 421-344 for his career isn't 'translating it to winning'?

Bonus points if it doesn't include the word 'ring' or 'ringgzzzz' or any permutation therein.

On topic: a few players have touched on this:
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"Specifically, talking about the entitlement of incoming players and the lack of the more rugged veteran presences that Lillard had coming in. I thought it was interesting."
and a few locker-room voices, both named and unnamed, have pointed out that this is one of the things that can cause an issue with chasing young players on rookie contracts exclusively - as they're 'highest value'.

Namely that while you wind up with a lovely portfolio of assets, but it can be difficult to build a winning culture... though obviously winning, something rookies are typically not great at from day 1, is the biggest ingredient there.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2023, 07:02:03 PM »

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He’s putting up great numbers but none of it is translating to winning.  I understand there’s something to be said for sticking with your team and not title-chasing, but his teams have still under-performed for years now.

Really don’t think he’s underperforming though.  Guy just doesn’t have enough help.  His teammates are a no-defense gunner, a decent wing whose defense has slipped, an oft-injured dinosaur of a center, and a pile of great athletes who don’t actually know how to play basketball and may never learn.

And really, this has been coming for a while.  Portland spent their money and assets several years ago, ending up below contender status and without a realistic path upwards.  They’ve rearranged deck chairs a few times hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and it isn’t happening.  That’s not on Lillard.  It’s on the FO imo.

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He’s putting up great numbers but none of it is translating to winning.  I understand there’s something to be said for sticking with your team and not title-chasing, but his teams have still under-performed for years now.
What do you mean by under-performed? What are the expectations? Portland has failed in their team build significantly in my opinion, surrounding him with other poor defenders like McCollum.

But that isn't the main point of the clip
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2023, 07:38:58 PM »

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If Portland had even an average bench, they would be a 40-45 win team this season.

Their bench is a disaster zone.

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If Portland had even an average bench, they would be a 40-45 win team this season.

Their bench is a disaster zone.
Disaster zone might even be putting it generously. Their depth chart shows their 2nd line to be Arcidiacono, Shaedon Sharpe (amazing athlete, but a ways off), Reddish, Little and Eubanks. There is zero offence coming from that group
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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I've always been firmly in the "trade JB for the right guy" camp. Dame is a guy I'd pull the trigger on. His offensive prowess needs no explanation, but it's the leadership and locker room stuff I really admire about the guy.

That's just my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2023, 10:17:54 PM »

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He’s putting up great numbers but none of it is translating to winning.  I understand there’s something to be said for sticking with your team and not title-chasing, but his teams have still under-performed for years now.
 
Fair.

Also, Dame hasn’t been on a team that should even sniff the finals and he’s brought that crap team as far as the western conference finals