UFC fighter tells on LeBron

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

To be more clear on what I mean, Pud Galvin in 1889 was the first known MLB player to use PED's. He was very vocal about ingesting animal testosterone.  Allegedly the great Babe Ruth himself also injected artificial testosterone, which apparently made him sick and he missed a game as a result.  Speed started becoming widespread in baseball in the 1940's and went virtually unchecked for decades and pretty much everyone from Mays to Mantle to Aaron used in varying degrees.  That of course led to the steroid era and now to hgh and designer drugs. 

The simple reality is all sports live pretty extensively by the mantra that "if you aren't cheating then you aren't trying"

I'm sorry, but taking "greenies" or whatever is nothing like adding 50 pounds of hulking steroid muscle. Extra-base hits rose more than 25% in MLB from the early 90's to mid-2000's, when they peaked.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1648362-proof-that-the-steroid-era-power-surge-in-baseball-has-been-stopped

Coincidentally LeBron entered the sporting world right around the time of the peak.

People can think what they want, but it's obvious to me that designer drugs have changed the modern athlete's body. LeBron looks like he was scientifically engineered. I think he was hitting the juice pretty hard in the 2000's and never stopped. And the league probably doesn't WANT him to stop. He is their Jordan 2.0, their cash cow. Their perennial home run king.

That doesn't mean he's not a great player. A lot of his competitors have also likely used and he has beaten most of them. But the stats, the longevity, the scoring record. It just doesn't mean that much to me given the context of what he's done to his body.

So your eye test has you convinced lebron juiced? Sounds like he’s guilty!

Lebron has been huge for 20 years. If he’s been juicing with such dangerous drugs for that long, he should be dead when? Next month?

This is why I think rumors about PEDs in 2023 are useless.

[Redz]

To be more clear on what I mean, Pud Galvin in 1889 was the first known MLB player to use PED's. He was very vocal about ingesting animal testosterone.  Allegedly the great Babe Ruth himself also injected artificial testosterone, which apparently made him sick and he missed a game as a result.  Speed started becoming widespread in baseball in the 1940's and went virtually unchecked for decades and pretty much everyone from Mays to Mantle to Aaron used in varying degrees.  That of course led to the steroid era and now to hgh and designer drugs. 

The simple reality is all sports live pretty extensively by the mantra that "if you aren't cheating then you aren't trying"

I hearty applause for a Pud Galvin reference in context!  Amazing. 

And “pud” not getting sensors opens up a whole world of possibilities.

I’m hop right on this and say Lebron is a pud.  And that will be his legacy, way more than the obvious Roid growth and longevity benefits he has reaped.

[Yuckabuck33]

To be more clear on what I mean, Pud Galvin in 1889 was the first known MLB player to use PED's. He was very vocal about ingesting animal testosterone.  Allegedly the great Babe Ruth himself also injected artificial testosterone, which apparently made him sick and he missed a game as a result.  Speed started becoming widespread in baseball in the 1940's and went virtually unchecked for decades and pretty much everyone from Mays to Mantle to Aaron used in varying degrees.  That of course led to the steroid era and now to hgh and designer drugs. 

The simple reality is all sports live pretty extensively by the mantra that "if you aren't cheating then you aren't trying"

How did Larry Bird cheat?

[Roy H.]

To be more clear on what I mean, Pud Galvin in 1889 was the first known MLB player to use PED's. He was very vocal about ingesting animal testosterone.  Allegedly the great Babe Ruth himself also injected artificial testosterone, which apparently made him sick and he missed a game as a result.  Speed started becoming widespread in baseball in the 1940's and went virtually unchecked for decades and pretty much everyone from Mays to Mantle to Aaron used in varying degrees.  That of course led to the steroid era and now to hgh and designer drugs. 

The simple reality is all sports live pretty extensively by the mantra that "if you aren't cheating then you aren't trying"

How did Larry Bird cheat?

Beer was his PED.

[Moranis]

So some cheating is ok, but not all cheating.  Got it.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

So some cheating is ok, but not all cheating.  Got it.

I'm no proponent of cheating, but I do think this conversation begs the question, "What constitutes cheating?" Kind of a philosophical question, and in no way am I trying to be a smart-aleck, but in a discussion of "substances a person takes in to improve their physical and/or mental performance," is caffeine a performance-enhancing drug? I'm not a coffee drinker, but I know of plenty of people who just can't fully wake up or get going without coffee, so that is something from outside themselves that they are taking in order to feel better/enhance their performance. It's not adding muscle, but if it increases alertness, mental acuity, and/or physical reflexes, that seems to me like a "performance-enhancing drug."

[mobilija]

Puds use PEDs

[Roy H.]

So some cheating is ok, but not all cheating.  Got it.

I'm no proponent of cheating, but I do think this conversation begs the question, "What constitutes cheating?" Kind of a philosophical question, and in no way am I trying to be a smart-aleck, but in a discussion of "substances a person takes in to improve their physical and/or mental performance," is caffeine a performance-enhancing drug? I'm not a coffee drinker, but I know of plenty of people who just can't fully wake up or get going without coffee, so that is something from outside themselves that they are taking in order to feel better/enhance their performance. It's not adding muscle, but if it increases alertness, mental acuity, and/or physical reflexes, that seems to me like a "performance-enhancing drug."

Caffeine may be a PED, but it’s not illegal.  Speed is.  Adderall is.  Steroids, HGH, certain drugs and supplements that affect blood, oxygen, etc. all are.

Some of the distinctions are arbitrary, other than the legal / illegal line.  To me, if a drug can be used under a physician’s care to heal and recover, that’s medicine.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

So some cheating is ok, but not all cheating.  Got it.

I'm no proponent of cheating, but I do think this conversation begs the question, "What constitutes cheating?" Kind of a philosophical question, and in no way am I trying to be a smart-aleck, but in a discussion of "substances a person takes in to improve their physical and/or mental performance," is caffeine a performance-enhancing drug? I'm not a coffee drinker, but I know of plenty of people who just can't fully wake up or get going without coffee, so that is something from outside themselves that they are taking in order to feel better/enhance their performance. It's not adding muscle, but if it increases alertness, mental acuity, and/or physical reflexes, that seems to me like a "performance-enhancing drug."

Caffeine may be a PED, but it’s not illegal.  Speed is.  Adderall is.  Steroids, HGH, certain drugs and supplements that affect blood, oxygen, etc. all are.

Some of the distinctions are arbitrary, other than the legal / illegal line.  To me, if a drug can be used under a physician’s care to heal and recover, that’s medicine.

I’m confused. Anabolic steroids are used for recovery from injury and prescribed. Adderall isn’t illegal if prescribed. Are you saying this stuff is arbitrary? I agree, if so.

Why is Papi good but Bonds is bad?

[RJ87]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

No need to hedge your comment with “relatively good”. He has been an unbelievable league representative. Those that disagree have hate in their hearts.

[RJ87]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

No need to hedge your comment with “relatively good”. He has been an unbelievable league representative. Those that disagree have hate in their hearts.

Not gonna lie, I originally wrote "terrific" but then I remembered what board I was on and feared the pitchforks.

[gouki88]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

No need to hedge your comment with “relatively good”. He has been an unbelievable league representative. Those that disagree have hate in their hearts.

Not gonna lie, I originally wrote "terrific" but then I remembered what board I was on and feared the pitchforks.

My main issue with LeBron is Klutch, to be honest.

[Roy H.]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

Counterpoint:  Lance Armstrong.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

The thing that bothers me with the Lebron PED allegations is the lack of proof - with the technology we have now, there should be something more concrete that another tarnished athlete saying the use the same guy while trying to get social media attention. IMO, it comes off as bitter opposing fanbases trying to throw stones because they have nothing better to do. Love him or hate him, he's been a relatively good representative for the league. The most "controversial" thing he's done in his career is The Decision and that raised a ton of money for charity. Other than that, he's scandal free and appears to be a solid family man.

Counterpoint:  Lance Armstrong.

Lance is a good family man?