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Ideas to End Tanking
« on: October 22, 2022, 03:09:42 PM »

Offline GreenlyGreeny

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Let’s hear some ideas on how to end tanking. How about the most obvious one:

If you are a lottery team, you have a 1/14 chance of getting the first overall pick. After the first overall pick, a 1/13 chance of getting the second overall pick, and so on.

The counter-argument: Gives teams a strong incentive to tank in play-in tourneys. So perhaps in the above, after the first pick is made you get a 1/23 chance of getting the second overall pick, then a 1/22 chance of getting the third overall pick, and so on - once all lottery teams are off the board, revert the remaining picks based on record. In other words, the eight teams with the worst records who made the playoffs (visiting teams in the first-round who rarely advance anyway) still get a shot at a top five pick. Order remains unchanged for the eight best teams in the league. Yeah, it creates the unintended consequence of teams trying to squeak in as the number five seed, but ownership may not look so kindly on giving up potential playoff home team revenue. And perhaps an independent arbiter using statistical analysis can assess whether anybody does that intentionally and, if so, they automatically get the 30th overall pick as punishment (if more than one team does it, they all go to the bottom of the draft with orders determined by coin flips). That’s probably a strong enough incentive to not play that game. Perhaps all of this finally ends the scourge of tanking?

Other thoughts? Obviously any such plans would need to go into effect 7-8 years in the future so as to not affect picks that were traded under the presumption of different probable values. The value of first-rounders would obviously go way up, which could make for interesting trades/results in the future.

Re: Ideas to End Tanking
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2022, 03:29:42 PM »

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Eliminate the draft. Rookies go straight into free agency. Eliminate rookie scale contracts. Rookies can get max deals.

A few years ago Washington spent loads on Bertans and Thomas Bryant; similar to a max contract. As a fan, would you rather see your team sign those two guys or Paolo Banchero? Obviously Banchero.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2022, 03:30:21 PM »

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Most tanking takes place in the off-season before the season when GMs dismantle their teams so they suck. Not much you can do about that.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2022, 03:57:23 PM »

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Eliminate the draft. Rookies go straight into free agency. Eliminate rookie scale contracts. Rookies can get max deals.

A few years ago Washington spent loads on Bertans and Thomas Bryant; similar to a max contract. As a fan, would you rather see your team sign those two guys or Paolo Banchero? Obviously Banchero.
This would do it - but NBA teams are horrible at evaluating prospective talent, so they’ll never go for it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2022, 04:00:53 PM »

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200 lottery balls.

Bottom 5: 20 each (100)

6 - 10 = 16 each (80)

11 - 30 = 1 each (20)

There’s tanking to get from 11th to 10th, but no major incentive elsewhere.  And, even the worst team’s lottery odds are only 10%.


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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2022, 05:52:18 PM »

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Eliminate the draft. Rookies go straight into free agency. Eliminate rookie scale contracts. Rookies can get max deals.

A few years ago Washington spent loads on Bertans and Thomas Bryant; similar to a max contract. As a fan, would you rather see your team sign those two guys or Paolo Banchero? Obviously Banchero.

Can you imagine the complaining on this site, when the Lakers get to sign the #1 overall prospect every year?

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2022, 05:59:51 PM »

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Why not just eliminate the lottery. Give every team the same odds. Keep it simple, each team gets one ball. A situation like this forces every team to be competitive, since it alleviates excuses. :(

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2022, 06:03:06 PM »

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My solution to this is ( I've posted this many times over the years): Take all the lotto teams and just flip the picks. So 13 gets 1, 12 gets 2, 11 gets 3, etc... Then those bottom teams will fight like hell for the 13th pick.

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Why not just eliminate the lottery. Give every team the same odds. Keep it simple, each team gets one ball. A situation like this forces every team to be competitive, since it alleviates excuses. :(
Every team? Or the bottom 14?
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My solution to this is ( I've posted this many times over the years): Take all the lotto teams and just flip the picks. So 13 gets 1, 12 gets 2, 11 gets 3, etc... Then those bottom teams will fight like hell for the 13th pick.

And teams 14-18 or so would tank like hell to avoid getting bounced in the first round and get a top pick

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2022, 06:32:17 PM »

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My solution to this is ( I've posted this many times over the years): Take all the lotto teams and just flip the picks. So 13 gets 1, 12 gets 2, 11 gets 3, etc... Then those bottom teams will fight like hell for the 13th pick.

And teams 14-18 or so would tank like hell to avoid getting bounced in the first round and get a top pick

They can't tank too much or they fall out of the number one spot.

14 is a lotto team but 15-18 aren't.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2022, 06:39:22 PM »

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Why not just eliminate the lottery. Give every team the same odds. Keep it simple, each team gets one ball. A situation like this forces every team to be competitive, since it alleviates excuses. :(
Every team? Or the bottom 14?

All 30 teams.

Could you imagine how interesting it would make the trade deadline too.

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2022, 06:42:58 PM »

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Why not just eliminate the lottery. Give every team the same odds. Keep it simple, each team gets one ball. A situation like this forces every team to be competitive, since it alleviates excuses. :(
Every team? Or the bottom 14?

All 30 teams.

Could you imagine how interesting it would make the trade deadline too.
I really dislike that idea. Imagine if the Shaq & Kobe Lakers got LeBron, or the Warriors got Luka?
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2022, 07:05:38 PM »

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My solution to this is ( I've posted this many times over the years): Take all the lotto teams and just flip the picks. So 13 gets 1, 12 gets 2, 11 gets 3, etc... Then those bottom teams will fight like hell for the 13th pick.

Then we'll get tanking for the 13th pick. I suspect some might even try to miss the playoffs for that.

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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2022, 07:11:53 PM »

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I like weighted odds and a lottery. Maybe we need to tweak the odds to disincentive tanking.

What about adding: if you pick 1-5 in a year, you can’t pick 1-5 the following year. If your number comes up, too bad, it goes back in the bin and they pick again. Call it the Daryl Morey rule. Obviously would’ve hurt the Cs a few years back…