Kyle Kuzma?

[keevsnick]

If you could get him by absorbing him into the TPE and a couple second round picks then sure. Not sure his value is higher than that given he's an expiring.

Advanced stats for whatever reason hate the guy.

[liam]

I'd be fine with Kuzma or KCP. There'll be quite a few options with the Fournier TPE, excited to see how they use it.

KCP would be much better.

[footey]

Hard pass on Kuzma. Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing. We already got the Jays for that. Unlike the Jays, Kuz is a below average defender.

If anything, I believe we need a low-usage, pass-first swing who's an above average defender. That's the exact opposite of Kuzma. First name that comes to mind is Kyle Anderson.

He's actually improved a lot as a defender; that is a criticism more accurate when he played for the Lakers.

He has also become a really good rebounder, something we could have used in the Finals.

[satch]

Kuzma might move the needle. I think Rondo is finished but a Rondo type guard coming off the bench would help too.

[Roy H.]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

[W8ting2McHale]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

Yes we do! When either of the J’s sat, leaving the other on the court alone, our offense was basically 1 on 5 (or 8 if you count the refs) because there wasn’t anyone reliable to pass the ball to. Occasionally someone else would have a moment, but we need someone that can be consistent. They don’t have to be a star, or even a starter. Just consistent offense or at least an outlet.

Nesmith isn’t that and may never be.

[gouki88]

Hard pass on Kuzma. Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing. We already got the Jays for that. Unlike the Jays, Kuz is a below average defender.

If anything, I believe we need a low-usage, pass-first swing who's an above average defender. That's the exact opposite of Kuzma. First name that comes to mind is Kyle Anderson.

He's actually improved a lot as a defender; that is a criticism more accurate when he played for the Lakers.

He has also become a really good rebounder, something we could have used in the Finals.

His passing also made a significant jump, without a significant jump in turnovers. Career highs in rebounding, free throw rate and blocks. All good indicators of his improvement areas.

I don't think he's as bad a defender as he once was.

[Sketch5]

Hard pass on Kuzma. Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing. We already got the Jays for that. Unlike the Jays, Kuz is a below average defender.

If anything, I believe we need a low-usage, pass-first swing who's an above average defender. That's the exact opposite of Kuzma. First name that comes to mind is Kyle Anderson.

He's actually improved a lot as a defender; that is a criticism more accurate when he played for the Lakers.

He has also become a really good rebounder, something we could have used in the Finals.

His passing also made a significant jump, without a significant jump in turnovers. Career highs in rebounding, free throw rate and blocks. All good indicators of his improvement areas.

I don't think he's as bad a defender as he once was.

Yeah it looks like his assists are up. Celts NEED more scoring, and it sounds like he's a decent defender. Maybe he can bring Beal with him. lol.

[Jvalin]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

Cause he'd be taking shots away from the Jays and he's clearly worse than the Jays. Both Tatum and Brown have score-first mentality. If we are going after a (s)wing, gimme a player who can contribute to winning without demanding the ball in his hands. Ideally, someone with above average court vision cause we lack a headed playmaker in the half court. For instance, Kyle Anderson, Nic Batum, healthy Joe Ingles, etc.

If we can somehow acquire a better player than Brown (for instance, Beal), then Brown would have to adjust in a more limited role. Unlike Kuz, Brown is a 2-way player, hence he doesn't have to score loads of points to impact winning. I reckon he'd be an elite 3rd banana.

[gouki88]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

Cause he'd be taking shots away from the Jays and he's clearly worse than the Jays. Both Tatum and Brown have score-first mentality. If we are going after a (s)wing, gimme a player who can contribute to winning without demanding the ball in his hands. Ideally, someone with above average court vision cause we lack a headed playmaker in the half court. For instance, Kyle Anderson, Nic Batum, healthy Joe Ingles, etc.

If we can somehow acquire a better player than Brown (for instance, Beal), then Brown would have to adjust in a more limited role. Unlike Kuz, Brown is a 2-way player, hence he doesn't have to score loads of points to impact winning. I reckon he'd be an elite 3rd banana.

How is Nic Batum or an injured, old Ingles a better passer than Kuzma? Have you watched Kuzma at all since he joined Washington? He is absolutely a more dynamic playmaker than Batum is these days. He's also a better scorer, rebounder and shooter than Anderson is.

Over the last 20 games he played Kuz averaged over 5 assists per game. In the 33 games he played in 2022 he averaged over 4 assists per game, to go along with 21ppg and 9rpg on decent efficiency. This idea that Kuzma is some sort of ball hog is a bit of a myth these days.

[Jvalin]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

Cause he'd be taking shots away from the Jays and he's clearly worse than the Jays. Both Tatum and Brown have score-first mentality. If we are going after a (s)wing, gimme a player who can contribute to winning without demanding the ball in his hands. Ideally, someone with above average court vision cause we lack a headed playmaker in the half court. For instance, Kyle Anderson, Nic Batum, healthy Joe Ingles, etc.

If we can somehow acquire a better player than Brown (for instance, Beal), then Brown would have to adjust in a more limited role. Unlike Kuz, Brown is a 2-way player, hence he doesn't have to score loads of points to impact winning. I reckon he'd be an elite 3rd banana.

How is Nic Batum or an injured, old Ingles a better passer than Kuzma? Have you watched Kuzma at all since he joined Washington? He is absolutely a more dynamic playmaker than Batum is these days. He's also a better scorer, rebounder and shooter than Anderson is.

Over the last 20 games he played Kuz averaged over 5 assists per game. In the 33 games he played in 2022 he averaged over 4 assists per game, to go along with 21ppg and 9rpg on decent efficiency. This idea that Kuzma is some sort of ball hog is a bit of a myth these days.

He's playing with the ball in his hands a lot more than Batum or Ingles do, as evidenced by his career high in USG%. It's way easier to amass high assist numbers when having the ball in your hands. His ast/to ratio indicates he's nothing special as a passer. He also leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive side of the ball as evidenced by all the advanced metrics.

Def EPM: -0.1
Def RAPTOR: -0.6
D-LEBRON: -0.26

Can't say I've watched him a lot on the Wiz, but I tend to trust the advanced metrics. I had watched him a bit more when he was on the Fakers.

[gouki88]

Last thing we need is yet another high-usage, score-first (s)wing.

Why?  We certainly need an offensive wing off the bench.

Cause he'd be taking shots away from the Jays and he's clearly worse than the Jays. Both Tatum and Brown have score-first mentality. If we are going after a (s)wing, gimme a player who can contribute to winning without demanding the ball in his hands. Ideally, someone with above average court vision cause we lack a headed playmaker in the half court. For instance, Kyle Anderson, Nic Batum, healthy Joe Ingles, etc.

If we can somehow acquire a better player than Brown (for instance, Beal), then Brown would have to adjust in a more limited role. Unlike Kuz, Brown is a 2-way player, hence he doesn't have to score loads of points to impact winning. I reckon he'd be an elite 3rd banana.

How is Nic Batum or an injured, old Ingles a better passer than Kuzma? Have you watched Kuzma at all since he joined Washington? He is absolutely a more dynamic playmaker than Batum is these days. He's also a better scorer, rebounder and shooter than Anderson is.

Over the last 20 games he played Kuz averaged over 5 assists per game. In the 33 games he played in 2022 he averaged over 4 assists per game, to go along with 21ppg and 9rpg on decent efficiency. This idea that Kuzma is some sort of ball hog is a bit of a myth these days.

He's playing with the ball in his hands a lot more than Batum or Ingles do, as evidenced by his career high in USG%. It's way easier to amass high assist numbers when having the ball in your hands. His ast/to ratio indicate he's nothing special as a passer. He also leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive side of the ball as evidenced by all the advanced metrics.

Def EPM: -0.1
Def RAPTOR: -0.6
D-LEBRON: -0.26

Can't say I've watched him a lot on the Wiz, but I tend to trust the advanced metrics. I had watched him a bit more when he was on the Fakers.

Those advanced metrics indicate an average, or at worst a slightly below average defender. Guys like Anderson score as average to slightly above average. I'll take better scoring, rebounding and shooting over marginal gaps in passing and defence.

[Vermont Green]

He is under contract next season for $13M, then a player option in 2023-24.  He would fit in the TPE so if WAS was looking to trade him, we would have options.  Stevens and Udoka seem to have a very specific type of player they like.  I am not sure that Kuzma would fit that mold. 

In terms of defense, for us, we would need him to cover PFs.  He would get some minutes as a wing but the primary opportunity for him would be as a swing/PF.  This was pretty much his role on WAS.  He was most often the second big with Gafford.  I would not have a problem with this but it depends on what we would give up.

Maybe they want to shed some money before they resign Beal.  I would be happy to help them with that.