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Of the 4 American sports, who is the greatest G.O.A.T?

Michael Jordan - NBA
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Tom Brady - NFL
11 (36.7%)
Babe Ruth - MLB
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Wayne Gretzky - NHL
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Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2021, 07:54:12 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2021, 07:59:13 PM »

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My list is:

GOAT of GOATS: Russell

Larry Brid - NBA
Tom Brady - NFL
Ted Williams - MLB
Wayne Gretzky - NHL
I would respect this list a whole lot more if Bobby Orr was you NHL GOAT.

😂😂😂

GOAT of GOATS: Russell

Larry Brid - NBA
Tom Brady - NFL
Ted Williams - MLB
Bobby Orr - NHL


Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2021, 08:03:47 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
Probably because, except for biased Celtics fans, nationally and maybe worldwide, he is almost never mentioned as the best NBA player ever. Google it. MJ is almost universally listed as the best ever. In most of those lists, Russell isn't even top 3.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2021, 08:04:09 PM »

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Folks think Magic Johnson or Larry Bird are GOATs over Michael Jordan.

Agreed with Brady being the NFL GOAT, no question about it.

I don't watch a lot of MLB or NHL so wouldn't know haha.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2021, 08:08:04 PM »

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Babe Ruthís career was during a racially segregated period so IMO he shouldnít be in this discussion.
Just stop.

Using facts?

Itís not Ruthís fault, itís just the truth.
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Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2021, 09:03:30 PM »

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Tom Brady today, for the first time in his career, threw for over 400 yds with 5 touchdowns in the same game. He did it at 44 years of age.

Just saying.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2021, 09:11:55 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
That suggests an incredible pro-Celtic bias

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2021, 09:40:58 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
Probably because, except for biased Celtics fans, nationally and maybe worldwide, he is almost never mentioned as the best NBA player ever. Google it. MJ is almost universally listed as the best ever. In most of those lists, Russell isn't even top 3.


It's media bias that excludes Bill Russell. His accomplishments tower over any other NBA player, and he did it in an era where he had to battle racism and make historical precedence as the first black coach on top of it. Players in his era never got anywhere near the marketing and media hype that players got in Bird's era, or Jordan's era, which also pale in comparison to the hype players get today.

If Jordan had done what he did in Bill Russell's era, he wouldn't even be in the discussion for these kind of lists.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2021, 09:50:02 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
Probably because, except for biased Celtics fans, nationally and maybe worldwide, he is almost never mentioned as the best NBA player ever. Google it. MJ is almost universally listed as the best ever. In most of those lists, Russell isn't even top 3.


It's media bias that excludes Bill Russell. His accomplishments tower over any other NBA player, and he did it in an era where he had to battle racism and make historical precedence as the first black coach on top of it. Players in his era never got anywhere near the marketing and media hype that players got in Bird's era, or Jordan's era, which also pale in comparison to the hype players get today.

If Jordan had done what he did in Bill Russell's era, he wouldn't even be in the discussion for these kind of lists.
Russell was the leader of the winningest team ever, but it is a team sport.  When looking at the greatest players as individuals, a lot of the team component is taken out of it, and Bill quite simply doesn't measure up individually.  He wasn't even the greatest individual player of his era, which was pretty clearly Wilt.  I mean Bill joined a Celtics team that had 3 HOFers in their 20's.  He never played with less than 3 other HOFers and often had 5 or 6 others.  Bill was a tremendous leader and player, but he was always on super-stacked teams.  I think it is a fair point to ask, if Wilt and Bill had swapped teams, how each's career would have turned out.  I mean when Wilt finally had 2 other HOFers in their prime, he ended up leading the greatest team in NBA history to that point (and which lasted for like 25 years as the best team ever). 

EDIT: When ESPN did their list a few years back they had Bill at 7 behind MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, and Bird.  I would imagine, other than Lebron perhaps moving up, that the top 7 would look the same today as it did when they did that back in 2016, especially since Duncan (who was 8th) probably didn't do anything to warrant moving up more and no one else had come close to cracking the top 10 since then (Shaq and Hakeem rounded out the top 10). 
« Last Edit: October 10, 2021, 09:55:30 PM by Moranis »
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2021, 09:53:34 PM »

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Ali.
It's American team sports, so he doesn't count. If it was sportspeople in general then Phelps and Schumacher would also have to be in the conversation. As would Messi, Ronaldo & Bradman. It gets too broad when you include individual athletes (Ali, Phelps, and tennis players) I think, and sports like soccer and cricket have very worldwide appeal yet little American coverage (relatively), so the discussion can stall.

Fair enough, but it does say, greatest GOAT. No mention of team or US sports.

And as everyone knows, Ali is the greatest that ever lived.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2021, 09:56:11 PM »

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Ali.
It's American team sports, so he doesn't count. If it was sportspeople in general then Phelps and Schumacher would also have to be in the conversation. As would Messi, Ronaldo & Bradman. It gets too broad when you include individual athletes (Ali, Phelps, and tennis players) I think, and sports like soccer and cricket have very worldwide appeal yet little American coverage (relatively), so the discussion can stall.

Fair enough, but it does say, greatest GOAT. No mention of team or US sports.

And as everyone knows, Ali is the greatest that ever lived.
Did you not read the opening post in the thread?
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2021, 09:57:39 PM »

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Ali.
It's American team sports, so he doesn't count. If it was sportspeople in general then Phelps and Schumacher would also have to be in the conversation. As would Messi, Ronaldo & Bradman. It gets too broad when you include individual athletes (Ali, Phelps, and tennis players) I think, and sports like soccer and cricket have very worldwide appeal yet little American coverage (relatively), so the discussion can stall.

Fair enough, but it does say, greatest GOAT. No mention of team or US sports.

And as everyone knows, Ali is the greatest that ever lived.
The question clearly states of the 4 American sports.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2021, 10:00:34 PM »

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Ali.
It's American team sports, so he doesn't count. If it was sportspeople in general then Phelps and Schumacher would also have to be in the conversation. As would Messi, Ronaldo & Bradman. It gets too broad when you include individual athletes (Ali, Phelps, and tennis players) I think, and sports like soccer and cricket have very worldwide appeal yet little American coverage (relatively), so the discussion can stall.

Fair enough, but it does say, greatest GOAT. No mention of team or US sports.

And as everyone knows, Ali is the greatest that ever lived.
The question clearly states of the 4 American sports.

Sorry, I only saw the question in the green box. Iím totally mistaken and apologize profusely.


Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2021, 10:00:47 PM »

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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
Probably because, except for biased Celtics fans, nationally and maybe worldwide, he is almost never mentioned as the best NBA player ever. Google it. MJ is almost universally listed as the best ever. In most of those lists, Russell isn't even top 3.


It's media bias that excludes Bill Russell. His accomplishments tower over any other NBA player, and he did it in an era where he had to battle racism and make historical precedence as the first black coach on top of it. Players in his era never got anywhere near the marketing and media hype that players got in Bird's era, or Jordan's era, which also pale in comparison to the hype players get today.

If Jordan had done what he did in Bill Russell's era, he wouldn't even be in the discussion for these kind of lists.
Russell was the leader of the winningest team ever, but it is a team sport.  When looking at the greatest players as individuals, a lot of the team component is taken out of it, and Bill quite simply doesn't measure up individually.  He wasn't even the greatest individual player of his era, which was pretty clearly Wilt.  I mean Bill joined a Celtics team that had 3 HOFers in their 20's.  He never played with less than 3 other HOFers and often had 5 or 6 others.  Bill was a tremendous leader and player, but he was always on super-stacked teams.  I think it is a fair point to ask, if Wilt and Bill had swapped teams, how each's career would have turned out.  I mean when Wilt finally had 2 other HOFers in their prime, he ended up leading the greatest team in NBA history to that point (and which lasted for like 25 years as the best team ever). 

EDIT: When ESPN did their list a few years back they had Bill at 7 behind MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, and Bird.  I would imagine, other than Lebron perhaps moving up, that the top 7 would look the same today as it did when they did that back in 2016, especially since Duncan (who was 8th) probably didn't do anything to warrant moving up more and no one else had come close to cracking the top 10 since then (Shaq and Hakeem rounded out the top 10).
All this plus the Celtics were winning titles in an 8-9 team league. It's vastly easier to pull off that many titles in an 8-9 team league than it is to win in a 28-30 team league.

Re: Who is The Greatest G.O.A.T?
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Bill Russell!  # 6!  The real G.O.A.T.!

11 rings in 13 years!

Plus NCAA and Olympics.

Most competitive ever!

No one else achieved even close to what he did.


This.



I can't even see a reasonable argument for anyone else. How is he not even in the poll???
Probably because, except for biased Celtics fans, nationally and maybe worldwide, he is almost never mentioned as the best NBA player ever. Google it. MJ is almost universally listed as the best ever. In most of those lists, Russell isn't even top 3.


It's media bias that excludes Bill Russell. His accomplishments tower over any other NBA player, and he did it in an era where he had to battle racism and make historical precedence as the first black coach on top of it. Players in his era never got anywhere near the marketing and media hype that players got in Bird's era, or Jordan's era, which also pale in comparison to the hype players get today.

If Jordan had done what he did in Bill Russell's era, he wouldn't even be in the discussion for these kind of lists.
Russell was the leader of the winningest team ever, but it is a team sport.  When looking at the greatest players as individuals, a lot of the team component is taken out of it, and Bill quite simply doesn't measure up individually.  He wasn't even the greatest individual player of his era, which was pretty clearly Wilt.  I mean Bill joined a Celtics team that had 3 HOFers in their 20's.  He never played with less than 3 other HOFers and often had 5 or 6 others.  Bill was a tremendous leader and player, but he was always on super-stacked teams.  I think it is a fair point to ask, if Wilt and Bill had swapped teams, how each's career would have turned out.  I mean when Wilt finally had 2 other HOFers in their prime, he ended up leading the greatest team in NBA history to that point (and which lasted for like 25 years as the best team ever). 

EDIT: When ESPN did their list a few years back they had Bill at 7 behind MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, and Bird.  I would imagine, other than Lebron perhaps moving up, that the top 7 would look the same today as it did when they did that back in 2016, especially since Duncan (who was 8th) probably didn't do anything to warrant moving up more and no one else had come close to cracking the top 10 since then (Shaq and Hakeem rounded out the top 10).
All this plus the Celtics were winning titles in an 8-9 team league. It's vastly easier to pull off that many titles in an 8-9 team league than it is to win in a 28-30 team league.

Doesn't that logic exclude Babe Ruth?
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