2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?

[gouki88]

Just an FYI to any non-participants out there - if you want to vote please do! Already had 1 ballot from a non-participant (none from any GMs...) so get out there and vote! Hopefully you're not too sick of that phrase

[Moranis]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Yep pretty much.

[nickagneta]

Sent in my ballot!!! Decided to take advantage of early voting and avoid the lines!😆😆😂😂

[gouki88]

Sent in my ballot!!! Decided to take advantage of early voting and avoid the lines!😆😆😂😂

Rofl.

Thanks!

[Darth_Yoda]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

Not stating they are equals, but that they are alot closer than one would think.

Gasol's best season - 19.5ppg
Capela season I chose - 16.5 ppg

Gasol wins in shooting. sure. But Capela is the better finisher.
Gasol TS% best in his career was 0.617
Capelas was 0.658

Gasol is a better passer, Gasol has more range and is a more willing shooter of the basketball.

Capela is a better rebounding rim runner.


I would not say Gasol is a better screen setter than Capela either.

[Darth_Yoda]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

[Roy H.]

we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

Nonsense.  He was at the height of both in 2015.

[gouki88]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In both 2012-13 and 2014-15 Marc Gasol was an elite two-way big man. All kinds of things back this up, like the eye test, metrics both advanced and simple, and accolades.

[Darth_Yoda]

we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

Nonsense.  He was at the height of both in 2015.

2014-2015
All NBA 1st defense
17.5ppg, 7.8rpg, 3.8apg, 49%fg, 17%3pt, 49.5%efg, 55.8ts%,

I dont think that was elite offense. very Good though.


But its moot anyway, because I thought this was about a single season being chosen, and that was not the season chosen for Marc. I would have taken his DPOY season personally, but that wasnt the one picked. THe one picked was more offense but much less defense. 

[Somebody]

we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

Nonsense.  He was at the height of both in 2015.

2014-2015
All NBA 1st defense
17.5ppg, 7.8rpg, 3.8apg, 49%fg, 17%3pt, 49.5%efg, 55.8ts%,

I dont think that was elite offense. very Good though.


But its moot anyway, because I thought this was about a single season being chosen, and that was not the season chosen for Marc. I would have taken his DPOY season personally, but that wasnt the one picked. THe one picked was more offense but much less defense.

So you have to be elite on both ends of the court to be a two-way player? an alright offensive #2/great offensive #3 and defensive #1 screams two-way to me.

[Somebody]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In what world are both close? Prime Gasol dwarfs Capela as a player even if he was a neutral on offence.

[Darth_Yoda]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In both 2012-13 and 2014-15 Marc Gasol was an elite two-way big man. All kinds of things back this up, like the eye test, metrics both advanced and simple, and accolades.

eh, maybe. Its been a while since I watched those years of Marc. I will take your guys words for it. I would label him as an elite defender, but I dont think offensively he was elite though. I dont see 17ppg as being elite.

[Somebody]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In both 2012-13 and 2014-15 Marc Gasol was an elite two-way big man. All kinds of things back this up, like the eye test, metrics both advanced and simple, and accolades.

eh, maybe. Its been a while since I watched those years of Marc. I will take your guys words for it. I would label him as an elite defender, but I dont think offensively he was elite though. I dont see 17ppg as being elite.

If PPG is an absolute marker of offensive prowess, guys like Adrian Dantley would be offensive dynamos. Gasol does a lot of things that aren't captured by the box score on offence, eg. setting screens, spacing the floor, ability to pass from the high post, etc that bring positive offensive value. Combine that with low end volume scoring and decent creation as an on-ball threat and you have a really good offensive player - he's not going to be a first option on a title winning offence, but he can be the offensive #2 or #3 on those teams and that's still very valuable.

[Darth_Yoda]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In what world are both close? Prime Gasol dwarfs Capela as a player even if he was a neutral on offence.

We arenot talking about prime gasol.

Marc Gasols year chosen versus Capelas year chosen

Clint: 16.5ppg (10.9fga), 12.7rpg, 1.5apg, .8spg, 1.6bpg, 64.8%fg, 20.8trb%, 7.1Ast%, 1.1stl%, 3.9blk%, win share/48 .230
Marc: 19.5ppg 15.7fga), 6.3rpg, 4.6apg, 0.9spg, 1.3bpg, 45.9%fg, 10.5trb%, 24.8ast%, 1.4stl%, 3.7blk%, win share/48 .145

We are talking about specific years. Of course prime gasol is better than Capela, capela hasnt even hit his prime yet. Of course Gasol has had a better career.

The original number I posted cherry picked the best years of Gasols in each category against the season I chose for Capela, and there isnt a huge difference statistically, perhaps that was a dumb way to post numbers. (probably)

Point i was trying to make was that Gasol had some season where he was a very good defender and a good offensive player, but not the season picked. Also even at his best Gasol wasnt world beater at some things when someone like Capela can have far superior rebounding, fg% and similar impact on steals and blocks playing behind a turn style defender like Harden as opposed to Conley and Allen like Gasol was gifted.

[Darth_Yoda]

Capela: 12.7 rpg
Gasols Best Season : 9.3rpg

Capela: 4.4 offensive rebounds
Gasols Best Season : 3

Capela: .648 fg%,
Gasols best season: .581

Capela: 1.4 assists
Gasols best season: 4.6

Capela: 0.8 steals
Gasols best season: 1

Capela: 1.7 blocks
Gasols best season 1.9 blocks

Capela: Defensive Wins Share: 3.0
Gasols Best Season: 5.4

Capela Offensive Win Share 7.8
Gasols best season: 6.1

Capela Win Share: 10.8
Gasols Best Season: 11.5

Capela Win Share per 48: 0.230
Gasols best season: 1.97


Ignoring any specific year and instead only taking the best performance for Marc in any single category, the only advantage he has on Capela is his passing, and defense (Playing in Houston really hurts Clints overal defensive impact).
But I will not be requiring Capela to pass at all. That responsibility will fall to others.

And scoring. And shooting.  And setting screens.  And moving without the ball.

This league has reached absurdity if somebody is arguing that Prime Capela and Prime Gasol are equals.

So the only things Gasol was better than Capela at are offence and defence? Got it

Naw, point is that the 2 are close. And this is based on Gasols career highs, we all know that Gasol was either a defender or a more offensive player. He never had both at the same time.

In both 2012-13 and 2014-15 Marc Gasol was an elite two-way big man. All kinds of things back this up, like the eye test, metrics both advanced and simple, and accolades.

eh, maybe. Its been a while since I watched those years of Marc. I will take your guys words for it. I would label him as an elite defender, but I dont think offensively he was elite though. I dont see 17ppg as being elite.

If PPG is an absolute marker of offensive prowess, guys like Adrian Dantley would be offensive dynamos. Gasol does a lot of things that aren't captured by the box score on offence, eg. setting screens, spacing the floor, ability to pass from the high post, etc that bring positive offensive value.

Sure, so does Vlade, Brad Miller etc.

Every center drafted can set good screens and alot of them can spread the floor. I think Marc is a very good payer, I just dont think he has ever been elite offensively.