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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2020, 10:22:10 PM »

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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2020, 09:15:55 AM »

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Crazy results yesterday for Liverpool and Man Utd. Absolute massacres.

Big signing for Man Utd to get Cavani. I do not like the fit though. Wrong player at the wrong moment for the club. That said, he is still a wonderful footballer who will be very successful (individually) for Man Utd.

Why do I think he is the wrong player at the wrong moment? Because I disagree with the idea that Man Utd needed a big time #9 up front.

(1) I still believe - and have always believed - that Martial's best position is as a #9 and not out wide. He just had the best season of his career, his confidence is high and he is coming into his own as a player. This is absolutely the wrong time to put a player as good as Cavani (he is too good!) in Martial's way and end up playing Martial out of position (as a left winger) again where his talents are not as well used.

(2) Man Utd had a great run at the end of last season based around the attacking exploits of their front three - Rashford, Martial and Greenwood. None of these players are typical #9s or typical wingers. Instead, they are are more versatile forwards who are best compared to the fluid front 3 that Man Utd had 10+ years ago with Tevez, C.Ronaldo and Rooney. That by playing them together and giving them freedom to move around and cause trouble for defenses with their versatile attacking (not just penalty box strikers but dribblers, passers and creators as well). Rashford, Martial and Greenwood have similar qualities and are best utilized by playing in a similar style of football instead of playing off of with a typical #9 who wants to stay within the penalty box areas where he does his best work. A player who wants to be fed chances from teammates rather than create chances.

In summary, Man Utd had a much more effective team based attack with versatile forwards than an out and out #9 + the development of their young attackers (in particular Martial but also Rashford and Greenwood) was best served by maintaining this style of play.

Signing Cavani is a backwards move that stalls development.

Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2020, 10:04:16 AM »

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Sounds much more impressive when you consider that Messi's Barcelona probably the best team of all times didn't manage to go to the final 2 times in a row

but yeah .... no big deal.... anyone could have done it ...
Those were different eras, Messi's Barcelona had some legendary competition (eg. 2010 Inter Milan). What teams did Real face during their run were on that level?

scrubs .... Dundalk , Qarabag, Bate Borisov and Astana .....

you are right. they were just lucky

Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2020, 10:18:22 AM »

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Crazy results yesterday for Liverpool and Man Utd. Absolute massacres.

Big signing for Man Utd to get Cavani. I do not like the fit though. Wrong player at the wrong moment for the club. That said, he is still a wonderful footballer who will be very successful (individually) for Man Utd.

Why do I think he is the wrong player at the wrong moment? Because I disagree with the idea that Man Utd needed a big time #9 up front.

(1) I still believe - and have always believed - that Martial's best position is as a #9 and not out wide. He just had the best season of his career, his confidence is high and he is coming into his own as a player. This is absolutely the wrong time to put a player as good as Cavani (he is too good!) in Martial's way and end up playing Martial out of position (as a left winger) again where his talents are not as well used.

(2) Man Utd had a great run at the end of last season based around the attacking exploits of their front three - Rashford, Martial and Greenwood. None of these players are typical #9s or typical wingers. Instead, they are are more versatile forwards who are best compared to the fluid front 3 that Man Utd had 10+ years ago with Tevez, C.Ronaldo and Rooney. That by playing them together and giving them freedom to move around and cause trouble for defenses with their versatile attacking (not just penalty box strikers but dribblers, passers and creators as well). Rashford, Martial and Greenwood have similar qualities and are best utilized by playing in a similar style of football instead of playing off of with a typical #9 who wants to stay within the penalty box areas where he does his best work. A player who wants to be fed chances from teammates rather than create chances.

In summary, Man Utd had a much more effective team based attack with versatile forwards than an out and out #9 + the development of their young attackers (in particular Martial but also Rashford and Greenwood) was best served by maintaining this style of play.

Signing Cavani is a backwards move that stalls development.
I disagree. The idea of building a front three of "Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez" sounds nice until you realise your three lads are a massively overrated English youngster, a moody French talisman who is more of an opportunistic inside forward than the mobile striker in your mind who holds the ball up front and links up with other attackers and a very talented but young forward (FWIW I think Greenwood is fantastic, he has the potential to be the next great English forward, but he's not yet at that level rn).

I also think we can make a decent case that United's late season success last season was driven by their absurd amount of penalties more than actual quality up front, the Rashford/Martial/Greenwood front three doesn't create as many chances as most people would like to believe in open play against set defences. And before the point about this front three being "great" for counterattacking football is made, none of those lads can win aerial duels against quick and physical defenders (or any duel at all tbh unless they get a penalty called in their favour after flopping like a fish out of water :laugh:) to initiate those counterattacks unless Fernandes or Van De Beek (Ole isn't even playing the latter lol) personally carry the ball to them after bypassing an entire counterpress. I guess they can drop deep to receive the ball, but none of them are Harry Kanes who can splice open an entire defence in deeper positions. It's not like they can't create at all in open play, but they don't have as many options compared to the top front threes in the league.

To summarise, I think United's attack sucks right now and Cavani is a great signing who'll put them back into the mix as a striker who can actually hold up the ball and allow their pacey wingers to cut inside as inside forwards (can Martial be somewhat like Suarez next to Cavani as an inside forward? not the same system but I feel that United can play a lopsided 4-2-3-1 so Martial can be closer to Cavani ala what Inter did with Eto'o and Milito) and do massive damage with most of the defensive attention on Cavani. Sucks that they'll probably finish in the top 10 again this season after these signings (they're getting Telles as well iirc) :(
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2020, 10:22:53 AM »

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Sounds much more impressive when you consider that Messi's Barcelona probably the best team of all times didn't manage to go to the final 2 times in a row

but yeah .... no big deal.... anyone could have done it ...
Those were different eras, Messi's Barcelona had some legendary competition (eg. 2010 Inter Milan). What teams did Real face during their run were on that level?
scrubs .... Dundalk , Qarabag, Bate Borisov and Astana .....

you are right. they were just lucky
Save the sarcasm when you can't give me any examples :laugh:
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2020, 11:35:05 AM »

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Wrong post.
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2020, 12:11:44 PM »

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Arsenal getting Thomas Partey was a huge signing. He is a fantastic defensive minded midfielder. Strong ball-winner who is also very good on the ball. He is going to be brilliant for Arsenal.

Good value for money at €45mil too.

Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #52 on: October 20, 2020, 09:47:56 AM »

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Sounds much more impressive when you consider that Messi's Barcelona probably the best team of all times didn't manage to go to the final 2 times in a row

but yeah .... no big deal.... anyone could have done it ...
Those were different eras, Messi's Barcelona had some legendary competition (eg. 2010 Inter Milan). What teams did Real face during their run were on that level?
scrubs .... Dundalk , Qarabag, Bate Borisov and Astana .....

you are right. they were just lucky
Save the sarcasm when you can't give me any examples :laugh:

when you consider tie 2010 Inter legendary competition is clear we are talking about a different sport

Simeone's Atletico is more "legendary" that Murinho's one season wonder

Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2020, 01:37:38 PM »

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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2020, 03:10:49 AM »

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Top of the table lads!
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2020, 03:13:31 AM »

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Sounds much more impressive when you consider that Messi's Barcelona probably the best team of all times didn't manage to go to the final 2 times in a row

but yeah .... no big deal.... anyone could have done it ...
Those were different eras, Messi's Barcelona had some legendary competition (eg. 2010 Inter Milan). What teams did Real face during their run were on that level?
scrubs .... Dundalk , Qarabag, Bate Borisov and Astana .....

you are right. they were just lucky
Save the sarcasm when you can't give me any examples :laugh:
when you consider tie 2010 Inter legendary competition is clear we are talking about a different sport

Simeone's Atletico is more "legendary" that Murinho's one season wonder
Couldn't agree more with the bolded when you consider Simeone's Atletico to be better than Mourinho's treble winning team that beat champions from multiple top leagues, "is clear" that 2010 Inter was a one season wonder amirite :laugh:
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2020, 07:28:28 AM »

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Top of the table lads!

We haven't played yet so don't get too comfortable  ;D
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2020, 04:55:45 PM »

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Probably the most talented player ever.
His moves were quick and discombobulating.
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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2021, 08:00:41 AM »

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Sounds much more impressive when you consider that Messi's Barcelona probably the best team of all times didn't manage to go to the final 2 times in a row

but yeah .... no big deal.... anyone could have done it ...
Those were different eras, Messi's Barcelona had some legendary competition (eg. 2010 Inter Milan). What teams did Real face during their run were on that level?
scrubs .... Dundalk , Qarabag, Bate Borisov and Astana .....

you are right. they were just lucky
Save the sarcasm when you can't give me any examples :laugh:

when you consider tie 2010 Inter legendary competition is clear we are talking about a different sport

Simeone's Atletico is more "legendary" that Murinho's one season wonder

lol

2009/10 we won our fifth consecutive league title. One season wonder? 🤦

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Re: 2020-2021 EPL Season
« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2021, 04:24:46 PM »

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The natives are restless

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/02/manchester-united-fans-invade-old-trafford-pitch-during-glazer-out-protests

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One of the biggest fixtures in the English football calendar was postponed on Sunday after more than 200 Manchester United protesting against the ownership of the club broke into Old Trafford hours before their match against Liverpool. Two police officers were injured in ugly scenes outside the ground, with one being attacked with a bottle and being taken to hospital after sustaining a significant slash wound to his face.

In a planned protest that followed the Glazer family’s decision to join the European Super League (ESL) last month before pulling out within 48 hours, thousands of fans gathered outside the ground before the scheduled 4.30pm kick-off time. A large number then made their way into the stadium and onto the pitch having gained access via the Munich Tunnel after pushing down barriers, despite the attempts of security guards to stop them.

Some were seen climbing on the goalposts and removing a corner flag, while serious clashes with police around the entrance to the Munich tunnel were also reported.

“Protestors outside Old Trafford became especially aggressive and antagonistic towards police before a group of about 100 forced entry to the ground with some United staff having to lock themselves in rooms,” read a statement from Greater Manchester Police. Those in the stadium were evicted by officers but outside on the forecourt hostility grew with bottles and barriers being thrown at officers and horses. Two officers have been injured with one officer being attacked with a bottle and sustaining a significant slash wound to his face, requiring emergency hospital treatment. With the situation increasing in hostility, additional officers had to be deployed and officers had to be drawn in from neighbouring forces to assist Greater Manchester officers.”
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