To everyone who can understand why many of us are not upset

[D.o.s.]

At this point we are a blue collar team with a blue collar fan base. We don't need morons wearing sparkling shoes. We need guys who are concerned with winning. Sex sells, it doesnt win basketball games.

This is actually the dumbest thing I've read on CB in the last 24 hours.

[greenrunsdeep41]

At this point we are a blue collar team with a blue collar fan base. We don't need morons wearing sparkling shoes. We need guys who are concerned with winning. Sex sells, it doesnt win basketball games.

This is actually the dumbest thing I've read on CB in the last 24 hours.

At least it can be quantified, unlike any of the words that you just used to form a sentence.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Ainge is my family, I'm a celtics fan. And he was BPA in our GM's eyes.

You thinking you know more then him is actually the funniest part. Don't take it personal but your wrong.

If he's that good then why do draft experts have him going late 1st?

Also, we don't have to be NBA GM's to know that this lick does n it make sense. We just picked a guard like Rozier last year, in the lottery. We acquires another guard who's probably our best scorer. We just signed one on an extension. Where does Rozier fir in? Who do you cut minutes from so he can play? Or who do you trade to open up a slot for him?

You mean the same draft experts who had WCS dropping into the late teens/ low twenties?

The same experts who had pretty much the mid to late first about right except for the order of how they are picked. Not a single one of them had Rozeir in the mid first.

You still haven't answered my question. How does Rozier get the minutes here? 

[Forza Juventus]

At this point we are a blue collar team with a blue collar fan base. We don't need morons wearing sparkling shoes. We need guys who are concerned with winning. Sex sells, it doesnt win basketball games.

This is actually the dumbest thing I've read on CB in the last 24 hours.

At least it can be quantified, unlike any of the words that you just used to form a sentence.

(facepalm)

[RockinRyA]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

[Rondo9]

Can the people that liked our draft stop being so condescending?

I could ask the same question to the people who didn't

[tarheelsxxiii]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Pretty sure he's sensible, but our best pick was not. But (seriously) maybe 45 can challenge him for a roster spot? I mean **** against **** should be interesting, no?

Kinda like an amateur MMA fight. Who takes it?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Wait? You can't even gamble a non guaranteed contract on Upshaw, who's clearly a 1sf round talent if not for the red flags? What about Wood? He has no red flags and he has upside? We really gotta draft another 6'2" guard there?

And so what if the #9 is too high, still does not justify the fact that we picked a consensus late first rounder at #16, and I'm not even going to explain the logjam at the guard spot now. If he's really the lick, why not move down 3 spots and get a future second or even some cash. Surely that's ver possible. But we reached?

[Forza Juventus]

Can the people that liked our draft stop being so condescending?

I could ask the same question to the people who didn't

Your probably right but it is blind to agree with Ainge just because its Ainge. Everyone should think for themselves and this was a bad performance. We have way too many guards and there were other equal or better players that play positions of need that we could have taken like Anderson or RHJ at 16 and Alexander, Dakari, or Upshaw at 45. It is true that these guys might not be good but at least take a shot, take a chance. And see what these guys got. Anderson was great at our workout, RHJ can do everything a basketball player can do except shoot. If he became an average shooter he could be a star, Dakari was a top recruit out of high school, Alexander too, and Upshaw has all the tools to be a great rim protector. I just think we should have taken more chances we have 4 picks ffs.

[freshinthehouse]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Wait? You can't even gamble a non guaranteed contract on Upshaw, who's clearly a 1sf round talent if not for the red flags? What about Wood? He has no red flags and he has upside? We really gotta draft another 6'2" guard there?

And so what if the #9 is too high, still does not justify the fact that we picked a consensus late first rounder at #16, and I'm not even going to explain the logjam at the guard spot now. If he's really the lick, why not move down 3 spots and get a future second or even some cash. Surely that's ver possible. But we reached?

A consensus of who, though?  A bunch of websites?  These pro teams are more plugged in to what is going in the war rooms around the league.  All it takes is one other team to be high on guy.  If it was an absolute certainly that Rozier would be their in the late 20s, they would've waited.  They're not stupid.  I'm not saying he's gonna be a great player or anything, but I can't blame them for taking him if they had him as the best player on their board.  Trying to be cute and wait in the weeds for a player is how you end up watching another team draft the guy you covet.

[RockinRyA]

No one here is asking to get the next best thing. What we upset guys are saying is drafting Rozier at #16 doesn't make a ton of sense.

Can we not be upset as fans when clearly the Celtics are in position to do something better than drafting Rozier at #16 but we ended up here? We could have moved up, or moved down and draft him while getting another asset. We could have traded some of our guards to make the selection sensible. We could have swung on high potential but with red flag guys like Upshaw and Wood, or take a position of need like a SF at #45, instead we drafted another PG.

You said build from the ground up. Sure, but not with questionable drafting decisions like this. We have the ammo to overpay and move up to #9 and get Winslow but we balked. We had the chance to atleast grab players could contribute right away in Dekker, Portis, RHJ but we took a guy who's a projected late 1st to early 2nd round pick, who, if we don't trade any of our guards, may not get any playing time to develop. Not to mention that he's questionable offensively, and he's not even the best PG available on the board when we took him.

Were nor upset because we didn't get an all star or a good potential player in this draft in one fell swoop. Were upset because not only did it look lime we didn't even try, it also looked like we made wrong decisions.

Forza Juve is right. Stop being condenscending. This was a horrible night for us. We had all ammunition to make the night worthwhile and we didn't even use them. Add to that, a questionable draft selection. Everyone is rooting for us to get better, but it's hard to do so when moves like these are being made.

Hopefully you guys are right and we are wrong. But at face value, this is a disastrous start of a new year.

Meh, it takes two to tango, and the fact that neither the celtics nor suns was able to trade for the hornets pick means that the asking price was too high. And a big NO on upshaw. There is a reason why 30 teams passed on him. aside from offcourt issues, he has medical concerns as well and also, while a good shot blocker, isnt very good to begin with.

You are normally a sensible guy, and I dont peg you as that guy to call the picks "horrible" "waste" or "bust" without having played a single game yet.

Wait? You can't even gamble a non guaranteed contract on Upshaw, who's clearly a 1sf round talent if not for the red flags? What about Wood? He has no red flags and he has upside? We really gotta draft another 6'2" guard there?

And so what if the #9 is too high, still does not justify the fact that we picked a consensus late first rounder at #16, and I'm not even going to explain the logjam at the guard spot now. If he's really the lick, why not move down 3 spots and get a future second or even some cash. Surely that's ver possible. But we reached?

It takes two to tango. This isnt video a video game that you put one asset after another and the computer will accept your trade proposal. Who are you to know that Ainge didn't try moving down a few slots?(chicago was rumored to be picking him at 22) Who are you to know that the lineup we have now is the one we are gonna start the season with? Did we finish the season last year with the same lineup we had after draft day? Is it not  possible to trade after the draft, or even during the course of the season? Just because your binkie didn't get picked doesnt mean you have to become irrational.

I didn't like the Rozier pick, because I thought he wont get a chance on this roster, but after picking 2 more guards I thought no GM is gonna do that on purpose unless he will be moving pieces. I am in no position to judge what the draft is because honestly, I know nothing like the Executives knew. I wasnt in the workouts, I wasnt in the interviews, I didn't have the medicals, I am not in the trade discussions.

[greenrunsdeep41]

Can the people that liked our draft stop being so condescending?

I could ask the same question to the people who didn't

Your probably right but it is blind to agree with Ainge just because its Ainge. Everyone should think for themselves and this was a bad performance. We have way too many guards and there were other equal or better players that play positions of need that we could have taken like Anderson or RHJ at 16 and Alexander, Dakari, or Upshaw at 45. It is true that these guys might not be good but at least take a shot, take a chance. And see what these guys got. Anderson was great at our workout, RHJ can do everything a basketball player can do except shoot. If he became an average shooter he could be a star, Dakari was a top recruit out of high school, Alexander too, and Upshaw has all the tools to be a great rim protector. I just think we should have taken more chances we have 4 picks ffs.

Dude you are not thinking for yourself.. That is the problem, you are literally regurgitating information you picked up from crazy random draft blogs that were clearly wrong. What are their budgets for scouting? The NBA has multimillion dollar budgets for sending their scouts everywhere. I trust them. Not you. Not draft express (even though their final mock was kind of on point) and not anyone else. I trust my GM because i believe in him. Not some random mock draft that validates my i didn't get my bbgun for christmas whining.

[SparzWizard]

I bet Lakers fans and Cavs fans are laughing at us for having a civil war going on in Celtics nation, sigh. 

[Forza Juventus]

Can the people that liked our draft stop being so condescending?

I could ask the same question to the people who didn't

Your probably right but it is blind to agree with Ainge just because its Ainge. Everyone should think for themselves and this was a bad performance. We have way too many guards and there were other equal or better players that play positions of need that we could have taken like Anderson or RHJ at 16 and Alexander, Dakari, or Upshaw at 45. It is true that these guys might not be good but at least take a shot, take a chance. And see what these guys got. Anderson was great at our workout, RHJ can do everything a basketball player can do except shoot. If he became an average shooter he could be a star, Dakari was a top recruit out of high school, Alexander too, and Upshaw has all the tools to be a great rim protector. I just think we should have taken more chances we have 4 picks ffs.

Dude you are not thinking for yourself.. That is the problem, you are literally regurgitating information you picked up from crazy random draft blogs that were clearly wrong. What are their budgets for scouting? The NBA has multimillion dollar budgets for sending their scouts everywhere. I trust them. Not you. Not draft express (even though their final mock was kind of on point) and not anyone else. I trust my GM because i believe in him. Not some random mock draft that validates my i didn't get my bbgun for christmas whining.

I never referred to any mock drafts. I like those players.

[Forza Juventus]

I bet Lakers fans and Cavs fans are laughing at us for having a civil war going on in Celtics nation, sigh. 

if i were a rival fan id laugh at our draft