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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: hpantazo on March 19, 2018, 02:47:30 PM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2765418-lebron-james-on-gaining-7-pounds-during-playoff-game-weird-as-hell?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
So uhm...how the heck does that happen? A super shot of HGH at halftime or something?
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lol wow. Super steroids. He's got the good stuff
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Do people genuinely think LeBron uses PED's or is it just an ongoing joke around here? I really can't tell.
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Do people genuinely think LeBron uses PED's or is it just an ongoing joke around here? I really can't tell.
I'd say some do, some don't, & some just think he is completely infallible.
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Steroids may cause you to retain salt and fluids so that your weight increases. Weight gain caused by fluid retention will gradually decrease when you stop taking the medication. In the meantime, to minimize fluid retention:
I think it is possible he is on PEDs. He is and was a great talent either way. I wager if most took them it would not do much because folks baselines are much lower in terms of athletic ability. For example, I would not hit home runs just because I took steriods because I do not have the hand eye coordination of a major league player.
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Lost in the shuffle: the fact that LeBron could weigh 270 and play like a guard.
Also, the "feats" described in this article make me think the author has never left the chair in front of his computer. Typical Bleacher Report quality.
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Is this really weird?
I step on the scale before I go to the gym, drink a lot of water and don't use the bathroom while there, have a protein shake and a piece of fruit afterwards. Then I'll step on the scale again right before I hit the shower, and it's not uncommon for me to be a few pounds heavier thanks to whatever little pump I have plus all the water I've just drank and post-workout snack far outweighs what I sweated out/burned off in calories.
Now just scale that up for a guy LeBron's size, and it doesn't seem that outrageous to me. Maybe a slow paced game or one LeBron didn't play heavy 1st half minutes (like Game 5 against IND in 2014 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405280IND.html)), drinking a lot of fluids, with no bathroom break, maybe a small snack snuck in there somewhere, plus the general non-precision scales are known for, for a guy LeBron's size this seems possible.
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Do people genuinely think LeBron uses PED's or is it just an ongoing joke around here? I really can't tell.
Yah I genuinely think so. Why else do you think he's the only NBA freak athlete who hasn't suffered a major injury yet.
I get hardwork training and determination, but your body has a limit to how much it can handle. Kobe, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan, Durant, Westbrook for example were/are some dynamic NBA athletes who have suffered major injuries in their careers. I have not seen LBJ gone down.
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Do people genuinely think LeBron uses PED's or is it just an ongoing joke around here? I really can't tell.
Yah I genuinely think so. Why else do you think he's the only NBA freak athlete who hasn't suffered a major injury yet.
I get hardwork training and determination, but your body has a limit to how much it can handle. Kobe, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan, Durant, Westbrook for example were/are some dynamic NBA athletes who have suffered major injuries in their careers. I have not seen LBJ gone down.
Karl Malone, John Stockton, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Bill Russell, Elvin Hayes, Robert Parish, John Havlicek, all these guys never had any major injuries except maybe in the twilight of the careers (which LeBron hasn't hit yet).
Wilt and Jordan both only had major 1 injury each.
Not that unusual for top athletes to be free of injuries for most of their career.
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It's getting pretty old seeing people say that Lebron is using PEDs. You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
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It's getting pretty old seeing people say that Lebron is using PEDs. You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
I think he was actually connected with that famous Florida doctor that worked with arod. Does anyone remember the story to that?
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It's getting pretty old seeing people say that Lebron is using PEDs. You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
I think he was actually connected with that famous Florida doctor that worked with arod. Does anyone remember the story to that?
I do. Here are a couple:
http://dystnow.com/2013/03/04/lebron-james-jameer-nelson-linked-to-miami-steroid-clinic/
https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Board/103457/Contents/OT-Lebron-James-Accused-of-being-in-Steroid-Ring-In-Miami-53934777
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Do people genuinely think LeBron uses PED's or is it just an ongoing joke around here? I really can't tell.
Has Dolly Parton had a breast enhancement?:-))
Come on.
Seriously?
Smitty77
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It's getting pretty old seeing people say that Lebron is using PEDs. You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
I think he was actually connected with that famous Florida doctor that worked with arod. Does anyone remember the story to that?
I do. Here are a couple:
http://dystnow.com/2013/03/04/lebron-james-jameer-nelson-linked-to-miami-steroid-clinic/
https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Board/103457/Contents/OT-Lebron-James-Accused-of-being-in-Steroid-Ring-In-Miami-53934777
Thanks for posting those links!! I seriously hope that the doubters take the time to read both articles entirely.
Smitty77
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FWIW
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/3/19/17140056/lebron-james-seven-pounds-game-sports-nutritionists-playoffs-espn
But gaining weight is understood science: in extremely simple terms, you need to be taking in more than you’re putting out. Unless James also consumed a five-course pasta meal on the bench, there’s no way he would have consumed the sustenance for this feat to be possible.
“He may have gained a few (pounds) — say he started very, very dehydrated, has a low sweat rate (doesn’t sweat much, athletes vary in their sweat rate) then got an IV at halftime and ate some food then as well,” Spano wrote. “He could have gained a few (pounds), but not seven.”
Coleman suggests the one thing working in James’ favor is that he’s an enormous human — seven pounds for him isn’t the same as seven pounds for you or me, mostly likely. She also says that if James suffered inflammation, that might cause him to weigh more. Still, even those hypotheses are reaching simply given how much water James must have lost through sweat.
A seven-pound weight game in one day is possible, especially if James started light, trained hard, and refueled with carbohydrates-heavy meals. But none of that would happen over the course of a single game.
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It's getting pretty old seeing people say that Lebron is using PEDs. You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
I think he was actually connected with that famous Florida doctor that worked with arod. Does anyone remember the story to that?
I do. Here are a couple:
http://dystnow.com/2013/03/04/lebron-james-jameer-nelson-linked-to-miami-steroid-clinic/
https://247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Board/103457/Contents/OT-Lebron-James-Accused-of-being-in-Steroid-Ring-In-Miami-53934777
Thanks for posting those links!! I seriously hope that the doubters take the time to read both articles entirely.
Smitty77
LOL. Those articles are so weak. I'm not sure if you're serious or just joking if you actually think those mean anything. Some guy named Mr. Paul picked up products marked "LJ"...That must mean Lebron takes steroids?
Like I said, I don't know if Lebron takes PEDs. Neither do you guys, or the hack that wrote that article.
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You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
And you sir, have no evidence he does not. But then there was this guy :
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/sports/baseball/anthony-bosch-clinic-owner-in-doping-scandal-sentenced-to-four-years.html
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/07/25/report-unnamed-nba-players-linked-to-biogenesis-clinic-scandal/comment-page-1/
He had a log with who had a LJ in his book picked up by Paul. Rich Paul is James agents. It may mean nothing but who knows? This was in MIA. It is not proof, certainly not. But your blatantly naive to think that no NBA players use PEDs. I have some beachside land on the moon I will sell you on the cheap...
Pro sports is very competitive and guys will do anything to maintain their edge. Also, I think George Karl once said the NBA has a big steroid problem.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/12/26/george-karl-nba-has-steroid-issue/
Who knows, but LeBron is a freak of nature PEDS or not.
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You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
And you sir, have no evidence he does not. But then there was this guy :
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/sports/baseball/anthony-bosch-clinic-owner-in-doping-scandal-sentenced-to-four-years.html
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/07/25/report-unnamed-nba-players-linked-to-biogenesis-clinic-scandal/comment-page-1/
He had a log with who had a LJ in his book picked up by Paul. Rich Paul is James agents. It may mean nothing but who knows? This was in MIA. It is not proof, certainly not. But your blatantly naive to think that no NBA players use PEDs. I have some beachside land on the moon I will sell you on the cheap...
Pro sports is very competitive and guys will do anything to maintain their edge. Also, I think George Karl once said the NBA has a big steroid problem.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/12/26/george-karl-nba-has-steroid-issue/
Who knows, but LeBron is a freak of nature PEDS or not.
Lol. You're probably not from the US, but it's innocent until proven guilty here. Also, you just said that I have no evidence that Lebron does not, NOT take PEDs. Very confusing statement.
Again, that article is a joke. All it says is that someone named Mr. Paul picked up products marked for "LJ". Not that Rich Paul actually picked them up, that someone named Mr. Paul. Grasping at straws trying to connect James to PEDs.
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Sully couldmake that look foolish
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The parotid gland in his face that LBJ had removed helps to break down human growth hormone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050033/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15916482
The connection between the salivary glands and HGH has been known for some time. Do your really believe that James' issue with his parotid gland was not related to using the ultimate steroid, HGH?
Come on guys. You simply do NOT get to around 280 lbs. of almost pure muscle with body fat quite a bit under 5% without using steroids, especially at his age.
Look at the size of his forehead compared to his younger years. That is a tale-tell sign of HGH usage.
The very ironic thing is that Mark Cuban is investing MILLIONS in research on HGH being the anti-aging drug of the future.
Smitty77
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The parotid gland in his face that LBJ had removed helps to break down human growth hormone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050033/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15916482
The connection between the salivary glands and HGH has been known for some time. Do your really believe that James' issue with his parotid gland was not related to using the ultimate steroid, HGH?
Come on guys. You simply do NOT get to around 280 lbs. of almost pure muscle with body fat quite a bit under 5% without using steroids, especially at his age.
Look at the size of his forehead compared to his younger years. That is a tale-tell sign of HGH usage.
The very ironic thing is that Mark Cuban is investing MILLIONS in research on HGH being the anti-aging drug of the future.
Smitty77
TP..And why does Bron Bron almost never get injured, and when he does he heals like a mutant....never a long recuperative time. Must be his genes, huh?
And how about the summer he went on the (no HGH) "diet",lost all that weight and was much weaker and not playing as in the past, and after his 3 week "vacation" in Florida, he miraculously comes back as his "old self". Must be the recuperative powers of the water (or "juice") there, huh?
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The parotid gland in his face that LBJ had removed helps to break down human growth hormone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050033/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15916482
The connection between the salivary glands and HGH has been known for some time. Do your really believe that James' issue with his parotid gland was not related to using the ultimate steroid, HGH?
Come on guys. You simply do NOT get to around 280 lbs. of almost pure muscle with body fat quite a bit under 5% without using steroids, especially at his age.
Look at the size of his forehead compared to his younger years. That is a tale-tell sign of HGH usage.
The very ironic thing is that Mark Cuban is investing MILLIONS in research on HGH being the anti-aging drug of the future.
Smitty77
TP..And why does Bron Bron almost never get injured, and when he does he heals like a mutant....never a long recuperative time. Must be his genes, huh?
And how about the summer he went on the (no HGH) "diet",lost all that weight and was much weaker and not playing as in the past, and after his 3 week "vacation" in Florida, he miraculously comes back as his "old self". Must be the recuperative powers of the water (or "juice") there, huh?
Spot on as usual csfan!!!!
Smitty77
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I believe PEDs are rampant in the NBA. The testing is easy to game, there are huge amounts of money on the line, and in recent years players have been doing ridiculous things that I think are reminiscent of Maguire and Sosa.
Many other sports have PED problems, and only some of them are genuinely trying to rectify the problem. There's no reason to believe that the NBA is any different.
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Okay the secret is out. Lebron has a secret twin, they swap places all the time. Its how Lebron manages to play all those minutes, play well and avoid injuries. When he gets a major injury he just swaps with his twin.
Most of the time, they look and weigh the same, but not during this game. before this game, twin Lebron sat on the couch for most of the week doing a Planet of the Apes marathon, drinking beer and eating chips, not expecting to be relied upon, until Original Lebron suddenly forgot his good luck charm and was scared to play without it, so he asked his twin to step in for him.
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I believe PEDs are rampant in the NBA. The testing is easy to game, there are huge amounts of money on the line, and in recent years players have been doing ridiculous things that I think are reminiscent of Maguire and Sosa.
Many other sports have PED problems, and only some of them are genuinely trying to rectify the problem. There's no reason to believe that the NBA is any different.
Many players in MLB got taken down by the testing, average players AND superstars alike. (Although some like Ortiz skated).
In the NBA, however, we had 2 sacrificial lambs..... that's it, basically......NO SUPERSTARS......Hedo Turkoglo and Rashard Lewis.
The NBAs incredibly lax policy is about self-preservation. They don't care about who cheats, because they benefit from the cheating.....sad stuff.
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The parotid gland in his face that LBJ had removed helps to break down human growth hormone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050033/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15916482
The connection between the salivary glands and HGH has been known for some time. Do your really believe that James' issue with his parotid gland was not related to using the ultimate steroid, HGH?
Come on guys. You simply do NOT get to around 280 lbs. of almost pure muscle with body fat quite a bit under 5% without using steroids, especially at his age.
Look at the size of his forehead compared to his younger years. That is a tale-tell sign of HGH usage.
The very ironic thing is that Mark Cuban is investing MILLIONS in research on HGH being the anti-aging drug of the future.
Smitty77
I was going to mention the tumor he had removed from his jaw. There is definitely some smoke on this, but most players are probably doing it
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2-3 months? Check.
In-between Celtics Games? Check.
General Boredom on Blog? Check.
Our Arch-Nemesis? BIG Check.
AND right on schedule is the LeBron James PED conspiracies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5Sa2Yq-2g
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Since when has using PED’s resulted in fewer injuries? Usually the opposite is considered true if it’s something that increases atheticism, strength, or size. They would cause more injuries in these cases. I could see something like low dose HGH helping him recover a little better which could keep him healthier, but you can’t equate Lebron’s being an athletic freak with that. The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now. He’s got an amazing body frame and athleticism. He has great shoulders but I don’t see the packed on muscle that is always talked about. He has a great body though.
The seven lb weight gain during a game sounds like BS.
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that I have no evidence that Lebron does not, NOT take PEDs. Very confusing statement.
Again, that article is a joke. All it says is that someone named Mr. Paul picked up products marked for "LJ". Not that Rich Paul actually picked them up, that someone named Mr. Paul. Grasping at straws trying to connect James to PEDs.
I am from the USA but does that matter. One thing we also have here is freedom of speech and the right to express our opinion.
You seem incapable of doing much more than saying this or that is a joke. He certainly gained a lot of muscle mass quick in the pros.
The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now.
Here are some high school pics.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692760-he-was-a-man-amongst-boys-catching-up-with-lebron-james-high-school-qbs
https://www.si.com/nba/photos/2011/09/07lebron-james-in-high-school#4
Modern training is great, and some people respond well to it. Some people gain mass better than others, others struggle to gain mass.
I am saying there is a possibility that he might have used PEDs. I believe it is possible.
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Since when has using PED’s resulted in fewer injuries? Usually the opposite is considered true if it’s something that increases atheticism, strength, or size. They would cause more injuries in these cases. I could see something like low dose HGH helping him recover a little better which could keep him healthier, but you can’t equate Lebron’s being an athletic freak with that. The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now. He’s got an amazing body frame and athleticism. He has great shoulders but I don’t see the packed on muscle that is always talked about. He has a great body though.
The seven lb weight gain during a game sounds like BS.
There is a HUGE difference between other PED's and HGH as well as there being a HUGE difference between HGH and any other steroid!!
Smitty77
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Since when has using PED’s resulted in fewer injuries? Usually the opposite is considered true if it’s something that increases atheticism, strength, or size. They would cause more injuries in these cases. I could see something like low dose HGH helping him recover a little better which could keep him healthier, but you can’t equate Lebron’s being an athletic freak with that. The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now. He’s got an amazing body frame and athleticism. He has great shoulders but I don’t see the packed on muscle that is always talked about. He has a great body though.
The seven lb weight gain during a game sounds like BS.
There is a HUGE difference between other PED's and HGH as well as there being a HUGE difference between HGH and any other steroid!!
Smitty77
Yeah, from what I understand HGH does, in fact, help with injuries (both prevention and recovery).
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You have no idea if he does or not. There is literally no evidence against him. Not getting injured and hairline jokes don't count as evidence. If you accuse Lebron of using them, you could accuse anyone.
And you sir, have no evidence he does not.
That's mostly because you can't really prove a negative. You also don't have evidence that the core of the earth isn't made of molten cheese.
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
Was waiting for this. The biggest and most obvious difference is that steroids were not available in a safe a way during Jordan's hey day. Such a notorious partier, Jordan would have had very serious liver and kidney problems boozing on these anabolic steroids and certainly would have risked really serious health issues. Something like hgh is actually good for you and some doctors think everyone should be on it. It doesn't have the same impact on the body and its organs that the steroids of the late 80s did. This is why it makes a lot more sense for the players of the 80's and early 90s to avoid this stuff (also way easier to catch) and why Lebron and just about player in the NBA now would be smart to consider hgh for their career.
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
Was waiting for this
The "whataboutism" deflection rather than addressing the topic at hand?
My two cents is that Lebron is just one of those freaks of nature. HGH use wouldn't surprise me but I can also just buy into the fact that Lebron is a genetic freak who has always taken good care of his body and has been very lucky not to suffer any major injuries throughout his career.
He may or may not be but nothing has screamed to me that he has definitively been "juicing".
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
Was waiting for this. The biggest and most obvious difference is that steroids were not available in a safe a way during Jordan's hey day. Such a notorious partier, Jordan would have had very serious liver and kidney problems boozing on these anabolic steroids and certainly would have risked really serious health issues. Something like hgh is actually good for you and some doctors think everyone should be on it. It doesn't have the same impact on the body and its organs that the steroids of the late 80s did. This is why it makes a lot more sense for the players of the 80's and early 90s to avoid this stuff (also way easier to catch) and why Lebron and just about player in the NBA now would be smart to consider hgh for their career.
I personally think, players (and everyone) should be allowed to use HGH as it has been shown to have significant positive attributes.
that said, come on, steroids were rampant in the 80's and 90's in football and baseball, yet you don't think they were being used in the NBA. That is just silly nonsense. Of course they were being used. I brought up the point about Jordan because quite simply, the same arguments being used to show James is a user, are the same things you could easily say about Jordan (as outlined in those articles). Jordan was just in the pre-internet age so it was a vastly different time.
Frankly, I couldn't care less if any of the basketball players use HGH or steroids. It doesn't affect me at all. I'd honestly rather just have the use be regulated and administered by doctors so at least when they are used, they are used in a much safer manner.
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
Was waiting for this
The "whataboutism" deflection rather than addressing the topic at hand?
My two cents is that Lebron is just one of those freaks of nature. HGH use wouldn't surprise me but I can also just buy into the fact that Lebron is a genetic freak who has always taken good care of his body and has been very lucky not to suffer any major injuries throughout his career.
He may or may not be but nothing has screamed to me that he has definitively been "juicing".
the topic at hand is James gaining 7 pounds during a game, which obviously has nothing to do with juicing since juicing wouldn't cause that.
and of course, innuendo without evidence is exactly on point with the secondary topic of juicing.
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when you have innuendo and no actual proof, you get things like this.
https://wiesnerx0042.blogspot.com/2013/08/michael-jordan-steroid-discussion.html
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3547828
Was waiting for this. The biggest and most obvious difference is that steroids were not available in a safe a way during Jordan's hey day. Such a notorious partier, Jordan would have had very serious liver and kidney problems boozing on these anabolic steroids and certainly would have risked really serious health issues. Something like hgh is actually good for you and some doctors think everyone should be on it. It doesn't have the same impact on the body and its organs that the steroids of the late 80s did. This is why it makes a lot more sense for the players of the 80's and early 90s to avoid this stuff (also way easier to catch) and why Lebron and just about player in the NBA now would be smart to consider hgh for their career.
I personally think, players (and everyone) should be allowed to use HGH as it has been shown to have significant positive attributes.
that said, come on, steroids were rampant in the 80's and 90's in football and baseball, yet you don't think they were being used in the NBA. That is just silly nonsense. Of course they were being used. I brought up the point about Jordan because quite simply, the same arguments being used to show James is a user, are the same things you could easily say about Jordan (as outlined in those articles). Jordan was just in the pre-internet age so it was a vastly different time.
Frankly, I couldn't care less if any of the basketball players use HGH or steroids. It doesn't affect me at all. I'd honestly rather just have the use be regulated and administered by doctors so at least when they are used, they are used in a much safer manner.
I wouldn't have any problem with all the NBA players being on HGH now cause it is not horrible for their health like the steroids of the 80's were. While they were rampant in football, and to a extent baseball, there really was a profile to it. The heaviest users were the defensive and offensive lineman that were using them to bulk.
Jordan's lifestyle of partying, drinking and gambling heavily literally would have killed him he was on a hardcore anabolic steroid (he would have a cardiac event). This is the same reason I would be very very surprised if Bird was ever on Steroids. Now if you have a guy like Lebron that is doing cutting edge nutrition, healing, lifting and training, it certainly makes a lot more sense to experience with supplements than people that viewed the stuff like Jordan and Bird did.
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Frankly, I couldn't care less if any of the basketball players use HGH or steroids. It doesn't affect me at all. I'd honestly rather just have the use be regulated and administered by doctors so at least when they are used, they are used in a much safer manner.
I have seen that opinion many times on this and other boards. Sounds harmless AND equitable on its face.
Hell, the argument goes, "a grown man should be able to put whatever he wants into his own body, and if everyone has access to it, and it's legal and one can choose to do it or not, what's the harm?" Plus, people have argued, "I like being entertained, and if a grown man chooses to use steroids (that carry substantial risk) and HGH (a naturally occurring substance with remarkable properties with few risks, but is very strictly regulated and scarce) and can jump higher and be stronger for it and therefore entertain me more, What's the harm?"
We are not in a vacuum, and hence the potential for harm is substantial. A terrible slippery slope off of which many college AND high school athletes will fall.
Assume everyone shares your opinion and that no one cares whether steroids or HGH (or any other PEDs maybe?? but I'm not including the MANY other PEDs right now) is used by pro basketball players.
The trickle down effect due to the competitive pressures brought to college players (to have a shot at the pros) and to high school students to get a Division I or even II scholarship would be staggering.
During the late 80s and 90s and early 2000s, I was a guidance counselor at a large urban HS in the Greater Boston area. The pressure on a lot of my athletes was huge then to bulk up and get faster and stronger, especially the football players. To some, that shot at a free education and maybe even making the pros (I had a few who did in baseball and football, none in basketball) was too enticing to pass up, and obviously, they didn't get those steroids legally. 16 and 17 year-olds introducing 'roids into their body is a nightmare. Acne, aggression, and the occasional 'roid rage in an adolescent is not a good thing.
And, make no mistake, in this messed up proposed world where steroids and HGH and whatever other PEDS one might proffer (because you know many other currently banned substances would be included) are available and used by all the pros, just like their sneakers, a huge amount of kids will use it, far more than now because it has the pro imprimatur.
Oh, and given the scarcity and expense of HGH, no high school kids will be able to access it, so their PED of choice will definitely be something different.
Not what I hope happens.
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Since when has using PED’s resulted in fewer injuries? Usually the opposite is considered true if it’s something that increases atheticism, strength, or size. They would cause more injuries in these cases. I could see something like low dose HGH helping him recover a little better which could keep him healthier, but you can’t equate Lebron’s being an athletic freak with that. The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now. He’s got an amazing body frame and athleticism. He has great shoulders but I don’t see the packed on muscle that is always talked about. He has a great body though.
The seven lb weight gain during a game sounds like BS.
There is a HUGE difference between other PED's and HGH as well as there being a HUGE difference between HGH and any other steroid!!
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Yeah, from what I understand HGH does, in fact, help with injuries (both prevention and recovery).
Absolutely correct Roy!! Steroids, not HGH, make the muscles grow so quickly and increase strength so quickly that athletes are more at risk of tearing muscles and ligaments. HGH is a different animal altogether.
Smitty77
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This all sounds silly.
Physics being what they are (conservation of energy and whatnot) you can rest assure he did not gain 7 lbs of "mass" in 1 game; it takes about 3500 calories in excess of what you burn (basal metabolism + active metabolism) to put on 1 lb of mass, so he would have had to consume, digest, and store 24,500 calories above what he burned that game in order to "gain" 7 lbs.
Alternatively, fluid weight is possible (though still unlikely given that I doubt he was going into a game dehydrated). But 7 lbs. is about 3.2 kg, which equates to 3.2 Liters of fluid. So, from the first weight to the second weighing, if he drank 3.2 liters more than he sweated and urinated out, he'd be 7 lbs heavier.
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This all sounds silly.
Physics being what they are (conservation of energy and whatnot) you can rest assure he did not gain 7 lbs of "mass" in 1 game; it takes about 3500 calories in excess of what you burn (basal metabolism + active metabolism) to put on 1 lb of mass, so he would have had to consume, digest, and store 24,500 calories above what he burned that game in order to "gain" 7 lbs.
Alternatively, fluid weight is possible (though still unlikely given that I doubt he was going into a game dehydrated). But 7 lbs. is about 3.2 kg, which equates to 3.2 Liters of fluid. So, from the first weight to the second weighing, if he drank 3.2 liters more than he sweated and urinated out, he'd be 7 lbs heavier.
It's probably nothing more than a screwed up scale.
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This all sounds silly.
Physics being what they are (conservation of energy and whatnot) you can rest assure he did not gain 7 lbs of "mass" in 1 game; it takes about 3500 calories in excess of what you burn (basal metabolism + active metabolism) to put on 1 lb of mass, so he would have had to consume, digest, and store 24,500 calories above what he burned that game in order to "gain" 7 lbs.
Alternatively, fluid weight is possible (though still unlikely given that I doubt he was going into a game dehydrated). But 7 lbs. is about 3.2 kg, which equates to 3.2 Liters of fluid. So, from the first weight to the second weighing, if he drank 3.2 liters more than he sweated and urinated out, he'd be 7 lbs heavier.
It's probably nothing more than a screwed up scale.
He didn’t stand on the center of the scale before the game.
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that I have no evidence that Lebron does not, NOT take PEDs. Very confusing statement.
Again, that article is a joke. All it says is that someone named Mr. Paul picked up products marked for "LJ". Not that Rich Paul actually picked them up, that someone named Mr. Paul. Grasping at straws trying to connect James to PEDs.
I am from the USA but does that matter. One thing we also have here is freedom of speech and the right to express our opinion.
You seem incapable of doing much more than saying this or that is a joke. He certainly gained a lot of muscle mass quick in the pros.
The guy was a freak in high school and he’s a freak now.
Here are some high school pics.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2692760-he-was-a-man-amongst-boys-catching-up-with-lebron-james-high-school-qbs
https://www.si.com/nba/photos/2011/09/07lebron-james-in-high-school#4
Modern training is great, and some people respond well to it. Some people gain mass better than others, others struggle to gain mass.
I am saying there is a possibility that he might have used PEDs. I believe it is possible.
If you stop saying such ridiculous things I won't have to. You have no evidence and all of this is just speculation. Like others said, you have to prove someone broke the law, you obviously don't have to prove that they didn't. Since you weren't able to grasp that concept is the reason why I asked if you weren't from the US.
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I once gained 7 lbs at the Golden Corral.
Nobody seemed to care about that.
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I once gained 7 lbs at the Golden Corral.
Nobody seemed to care about that.
Probably in about 48 minutes, too.
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Is LeBUM on something? No idea. I do remember watching a high school player that looked like he was 30 years old though. And now I see a 280 pound linebacker running over people like they were midgets. He's never injured. Never. Maybe he's a freak of nature. Maybe OJ didn't do it. Maybe Bill Cosby didn't rape 30 women. The Easter Bunny comes out in a week and a half.
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lets all just forget about the growth he had removed from his jaw in 2010