We have to ask ourselves if Kawhi was playing in the 7th game vs the Cavs this year and not Brown would he have been better for us?
I think Ainge knows he needs his defense on Bron, KD and Harden...while getting 20 himself.
Can Brown do that? I think he can he's not there yet.
As a 21 year old, Brown averaged 18 points and 5 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player. He also had a bum hamstring.
As a 21 year old, Leonard averaged 14 points and 9 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player.
As a 22 year old, Leonard averaged 14 points and 7 rebounds, while defending the other team's best player. This run included a 4 point game, a 7 point game, and a 6 point game. It also included two 9 point games in the finals.
As a 23 year old, the Spurs were eliminated by the Clippers in the first round of the playoffs. Leonard had 12 points and 13 points in games 6 and 7, both of which were losses.
The concept that, because Brown struggled in game 7, it means his ceiling isn't as high as Leonard, is flawed.
We're not trading for Kawhi at 21, 22, or 23. If Kawhi is healthy, he is better than Brown, and any reasonable expectation of what Brown turns into. I have high hopes for Brown, but Leonard is a two time DPOY and MVP candidate
Disagree but neither of us will say anything new and neither of us will convince the other.
The argument that was made (and has been made in other places) was regarding Jaylen's upside due to his poor last game. That argument is flawed. That was my only point.
No, your premise is flawed. I said that last game vs Cavs because ultimately that's what all this boils down too. Getting Kawhi now is what's important. We know Brown will eventually get better but how much is the question.
In order for Ainge to regret this trade Brown would have to be the DPOY multiple times, and be a top 5 player in the league within 5 years. Is that possible?
Of course its possible that Brown could be that good, but your point is that the odds are that he won't.
I would say that Jaylen's odds of becoming an occasional all star are about 25%
His odds of being Paul George good are about 50%
His odds of being top 5 good are about 25%
Jaylen has a huge upside.
You are also ignoring the very real possibility that Kawhi Leonard doesn't have problems going forward. Last year was disturbing on several levels. It is hardly a sure bet that he comes back as if nothing had happened. There is a very real possibility that Jaylen is the better player in a year or two.
you are basically saying there is a 75% chance brown ends up Paul George at the least.
That’s wildly optimistic. The most likely scenario, by far, is that he peaks out as a fringe star that never makes an allstar team.
Brown might end up terrific, but his ceiling is stil lower than prime kawhi. Best case scenario he ends up like jimmy butler.
No one has any clue what Jaylen Brown's ceiling is or what his best case scenario is.
lots of players had high ceilings they never reached. His highest possible ceiling is probably jimmy butler. A mid-level expectation for him is probably André Iguodala. Still a solid chance he ends up worse.
What are you actually basing these projections on? He doesn’t play like Jimmy Butler nor Iguodala
Yeah, I don't see any similarities, there, either. I tend to think that Brown, at least at this point, is a carbon copy of Jason Richardson.
Not sure as to how I feel about that, lol .
I think he's definitely closer to JRich, but more of a defender and less of a passer. Although JRich came into the league at 21, so it might be a bit unfair to compare them for a couple of years
I'm just talking in terms of skills and style of play, and in going back and looking at some highlights from Richardson's career, Brown, at this point in time, looks like a clone of the former Michigan State Spartan .
Whoever first made that comparison was right on. The much maligned nbadraft.net, I believe, had Jason Richardson/Jimmy Butler as Brown's player comp.
The more I think about it Richardson is a good combination of reasonable expectation and style of play with the hopes Brown can exceed him. Richardson had 3 years scoring over 20 a game, and averaged 17.1 for his career. Brown made a huge leap in his game this past year, and it will be interesting to see how much improvement he has left, or if he starts to level off. I wish at this point Brown was in year 3 or 4 of his career as we would have a much clearer answer of who he is. Maybe he surprises, and becomes something like Clyde Drexler. Ha
I think sometimes people, myself included, throw around the all star label loosely. It’s very tough to become one of the best 10 wings in the game in any given year. A fringe all star status with Brown would be fine. When you start to think of names you can see how tough it can be. His competition for all star status is his 2 fellow wings Hayward and Tatum, then you have Derozan, Simmons, James, Oladipo, Giannis, Beal, Harden, Durant, Thompson, McCollum, George, Leonard, Butler, and then you have other promising young wings Gordon, Wiggins, Mitchell, Ingram, Josh Jackson, and incoming top prospects the next couple years like Doncic, Porter JR, Reddish, and Barrett.