Woj, Stein, & Lowe - C's and Sixers in serious talks for #1 pick

[CELTICSofBOSTON]

Who else is legitimately p---ed?

Getting "p---ed" about something that someone is rumored to be considering is a waste of energy

You're right.  Thanks for the wisdom.
Tp.

[Dchuck]

Think of how good Fultz is!

Philly is willing to part with all these picks for him.  They would be happy to give up all those assets for him, because they feel he is that special!  If Fultz and Jackson are "so close" talent wise, why doesn't Philly just draft Jackson and keep all those picks? 

Oh, it's because Philly realizes an offensive talent with a wide range of tools is harder to come by than another MKG/Winslow/Stanley Johnson/Iguadola etc.  you can find those guys multiple times over in every draft.

Precisely.

We don't know what the parameters of the trade are but there is a much higher chance of Ainge fleecing Colangelo than the reverse.  If it really is the #3, Lakers 2018 and Kings 2019, Colangelo is making a heck of a gamble on Embiid's health and the potential of Simmons and Fultz.

All picks/transactions are a gamble.  But even Colangelo understands, at some point u need to cash in.  I wouldn't bet on Colangelo getting fleeced.  Does quality over quantity = Fleecing?

[Tr1boy]

If it goes through , fantastic haul by Danny

Steve Kyler: So hearing the three this year, a future 76ers first and Lakers 2018 on the table to Celtics for the number one… thats a ton of value 42 mins ago – via Twitter stevekylerNBA

Only way Celts get screwed in this deal is ,if the Lakers trade for PG13 and Lakers dont sukk next season

[tazzmaniac]

Is the Lakers 2018 first protected?

Yes.  It became an unprotected pick when it failed to convey this year.  The Kings' 2019 pick is also unprotected (what the heck were the Kings thinking on that trade?)

that was lowkey one of the dumbest trades of all time.

Yep.  The pick swap from 3 to 5 was part of that trade too.  The Kings gave up a lot to free up cap space and then didn't get their main target.  The MCW trade for the Lakers pick looks mighty nice too. 

[ThaPreacher]

I'm very back and forth on this type of deal.  Fultz has been the guy for so long you get excited and set on that player as a future star for your team.  I just don't see any of the other guys being stars. 

If this deal is to move it for a star player like butler and get a lottery pick out of it as well I understand it but it doesn't mean I like it.  I just don't think adding Butler and Griffin put the Celtics on par with Golden State. 

Adding up the rumors it looks like it's possible Danny has another deal lined up.  I can see the below happening and I'm not sure how I feel.

#1 for #3 and the best philly pick next year out of the Lakers and their pick.

Crowder and #3 to Chicago for Butler and 16.  Sign Griffin. That's a fun team to watch but definitely not good enough to win a championship.  I'd rather have Fultz. 

PG - IT
SG - Bradley
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin
C - Horford

Bench
Brown
Smart
Yabu
Zizic
Rozier
1st round pick

What if Philly used the pick on Ball or Jackson instead of Fultz!

And "what if" the ring wasn't  actually thrown into the fires of Mt. Doom?

[BringToughnessBack]

This deal looks like as good as a sure thing and done like Arod to the Sox many years ago.! Leak its done and watch other's offer more and more. Wouldnt shock me to see Lakers deal with Danny. And send us Ingram and the 2 for the 1. If Danny truly does not want Fultz and we know Lakers do, he gets his man at 2. If the Sixers want Fultz so bad, they need to up deal to not just picks but one of Simmons and pick or Saric and picks cause the Lakers are oferring player and pick. Danny is definitely a business development specialist and he is playing everyone perfectly right now. Danny is one person I would never want at my poker table.

[fairweatherfan]

I'm very back and forth on this type of deal.  Fultz has been the guy for so long you get excited and set on that player as a future star for your team.  I just don't see any of the other guys being stars. 

If this deal is to move it for a star player like butler and get a lottery pick out of it as well I understand it but it doesn't mean I like it.  I just don't think adding Butler and Griffin put the Celtics on par with Golden State. 

Adding up the rumors it looks like it's possible Danny has another deal lined up.  I can see the below happening and I'm not sure how I feel.

#1 for #3 and the best philly pick next year out of the Lakers and their pick.

Crowder and #3 to Chicago for Butler and 16.  Sign Griffin. That's a fun team to watch but definitely not good enough to win a championship.  I'd rather have Fultz. 

PG - IT
SG - Bradley
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin
C - Horford

Bench
Brown
Smart
Yabu
Zizic
Rozier
1st round pick

What if Philly used the pick on Ball or Jackson instead of Fultz!

And "what if" the ring wasn't  actually thrown into the fires of Mt. Doom?

Why didn't Danny just send the eagles into Philly and throw Fultz into Mt. Doom right away?

[BitterJim]

This deal looks like as good as a sure thing and done like Arod to the Sox many years ago.! Leak its done and watch other's offer more and more. Wouldnt shock me to see Lakers deal with Danny. And send us Ingram and the 2 for the 1. If Danny truly does not want Fultz and we know Lakers do, he gets his man at 2. If the Sixers want Fultz so bad, they need to up deal to not just picks but one of Simmons and pick or Saric and picks....Danny is one person I would never want at my poker table.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.  Throw in Nance and I'd have to think very hard about it

[dreamgreen]

They have to get Simmons or at least Saric in the deal. More draft picks just doesn't excite me and I don't want to draft another guy that can't shoot!! Not really liking anything I'm hearing at this point. Getting more cap space can be done in other ways add to that getting Hayward of Griffin could make us a top 3 team but unlikely a championship team.

[Tr1boy]

Talks are reportedly far enough along that Fultz could meet with the Sixers in Philadelphia on Saturday, according to the report. A source said he was supposed to have a second meeting with the Celtics on Saturday. However, the source said that meeting was canceled.

Markelle will meet the 76ets on Sat
Celtics cancel meeting with Markelle

This deal looking like it will clear

[jpotter33]

This deal looks like as good as a sure thing and done like Arod to the Sox many years ago.! Leak its done and watch other's offer more and more. Wouldnt shock me to see Lakers deal with Danny. And send us Ingram and the 2 for the 1. If Danny truly does not want Fultz and we know Lakers do, he gets his man at 2. If the Sixers want Fultz so bad, they need to up deal to not just picks but one of Simmons and pick or Saric and picks....Danny is one person I would never want at my poker table.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.  Throw in Nance and I'd have to think very hard about it

That'd leave you with Brown, Ingram, Jackson, and Nance, and we're also wanting to sign Hayward this summer. I know you need several athletic, two-way wings/swings/forwards in the modern NBA, but come on lol

I still say the Simmons + #3 for #1 and AB deal makes too much sense for both teams.

[BringToughnessBack]

Talks are reportedly far enough along that Fultz could meet with the Sixers in Philadelphia on Saturday, according to the report. A source said he was supposed to have a second meeting with the Celtics on Saturday. However, the source said that meeting was canceled.

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Perfect. Get the Sixers excited and pull plug at last minute when Magic offers an insanse deal with actual players.

[Ilikesports17]

This deal looks like as good as a sure thing and done like Arod to the Sox many years ago.! Leak its done and watch other's offer more and more. Wouldnt shock me to see Lakers deal with Danny. And send us Ingram and the 2 for the 1. If Danny truly does not want Fultz and we know Lakers do, he gets his man at 2. If the Sixers want Fultz so bad, they need to up deal to not just picks but one of Simmons and pick or Saric and picks....Danny is one person I would never want at my poker table.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.  Throw in Nance and I'd have to think very hard about it

That'd leave you with Brown, Ingram, Jackson, and Nance, and we're also wanting to sign Hayward this summer. I know you need several athletic, two-way wings/swings/forwards in the modern NBA, but come on lol

I still say the Simmons + #3 for #1 and AB deal makes too much sense for both teams.

Philly doesnt do that tho.

[Ilikesports17]

Talks are reportedly far enough along that Fultz could meet with the Sixers in Philadelphia on Saturday, according to the report. A source said he was supposed to have a second meeting with the Celtics on Saturday. However, the source said that meeting was canceled.

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Perfect. Get the Sixers excited and pull plug at last minute when Magic offers an insanse deal with actually players.

Fultz is reportedly still on to meet with Boston tomorrow.

this is all very confusing.

[biggs]

Think of how good Fultz is!

Philly is willing to part with all these picks for him.  They would be happy to give up all those assets for him, because they feel he is that special!  If Fultz and Jackson are "so close" talent wise, why doesn't Philly just draft Jackson and keep all those picks? 

Oh, it's because Philly realizes an offensive talent with a wide range of tools is harder to come by than another MKG/Winslow/Stanley Johnson/Iguadola etc.  you can find those guys multiple times over in every draft.

How do u find time for him if Jaylen is supposed to get a bump in playing time?  What if Hayward comes on board?  What if LA takes Jackson?  What if we get LA's 1st pick and it's #8?  Or Embiid  stays healthy all year, Fultz is the real deal with Simmons and they make the 8th seed in playoffs and we're stuck with another middle 1st rd pick?

All these picks mean absolutely nothing if you have a potential star in your lap!!

Agreed my friend. If LA is so high on Fultz and Jackson, why would they take Lonzo? They could really complicate things. In fact, LA has to take Ball at 2 for this to work.

I'd rather have a future Superstar than another wing player.

If we get another "treasure trove" trade haul of draft picks and flip them for a PG-13/Butler type, I would have to think that Blake would be the primary free agent target over Hayward, (at least in this scenario).

Adding PG13, Griffin and Jackson to the team sounds exciting, but I'm not sure they beat GS, and we're giving away any other potential lottery picks.

We would essentially be rolling the dice with Jackson, Brown, Zizic, Nader and Smart as our future core.

If we add George, he immediately becomes our best player and the alpha dog/cornerstone of our franchise. I'm not sure that any of Jackson/Brown/Zizic/Nader/Smart have the potential to be the next Paul George, while Fultz, even as a PG seems to have Superstar potential.

As much as I love the current group of youngsters that we have, I would rather add Fultz and another lotto pick next year to that group, while signing Hayward.

I posted in another thread recently about whether or not Danny would trade our current potential big three before they lose value ala KG/PP, and someone mentioned that if we're really modeling after San Antonio, that maybe Horford would take a team friendly deal at that point to stay on as a role player, keeping us in sustained success, like the Spurs.

Its hard to decide how you want to build you current team when your this good, but probably won't win it all now. I guess if we want the sustained success you go for older players that would be cheap when the young guys are up for big money, or in this case a declining player like Griffin over an ascending player like Hayward.

Who know? Maybe Danny has a hunch that we don't. Oh well, what a great time to be a fan!!!