Brown and Smart for KAT: Who Can Beat That Offer?

[GreenlyGreeny]

If we could make these moves to kickoff the off-season, we would be in a great position moving forward, but who can beat an offer of Brown and Smart for KAT?

https://tradenba.com/trades/rCoZoiyGh

If nobody can beat that offer and MIN takes it, alongside the Knicks giving us a TPE so they can secure Kemba, what are the odds of Beal forcing his way to Boston? If Beal said he’s only willing to play for Boston in 2022-beyond, I like our odds of getting him for picks + Kemba TPE. Certainly think this could be an intriguing roster for 2021-2022:

Pritchard/MLE/Edwards/Madar
Beal/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
KAT/GWill
Timelord/TT

Pritchard and Timelord could be our 2021 version of 2008 Rondo and Perk. This really would be like the Big 3 all over again, getting Tatum the supporting crew he needs to win it all.

Aggregate effect of these moves shows everyone is a winner except for the Wizards as a result of Beal forcing his way out like PG-13 and AD did back in the day:

https://tradenba.com/trades/P7gSCkjJJ

[gouki88]

Has your trade idea thread where you proposed JT and Smart for KAT even gone past one page?

[Roy H.]

We trade three starters for KAT.  I can't wait to be deep in lottery land every year again.

[Jiri Welsch]

Edit: Sorry if my initial request was accidentally harsh. Just felt like you made a very similar thread a couple hours ago.

[slamtheking]

Edit: Sorry if my initial request was accidentally harsh. Just felt like you made a very similar thread a every couple of hours ago.

fixed it for you.

this repetitive spewing of bad trade proposals raises the idea of limiting posters to a single new trade thread per day (or longer) or having the mods combine the OP's threads into a single one.

[jambr380]

Edit: Sorry if my initial request was accidentally harsh. Just felt like you made a very similar thread a every couple of hours ago.

fixed it for you.

this repetitive spewing of bad trade proposals raises the idea of limiting posters to a single new trade thread per day (or longer) or having the mods combine the OP's threads into a single one.

If only nick were moderating again - king of the merge  Poor Robert Williams was never allowed more than one thread throughout his 1st year here.

[Moranis]

We trade three starters for KAT.  I can't wait to be deep in lottery land every year again.

I don't even understand the Walker part of the trade.  That said, I'd do Brown and Smart for KAT and wouldn't give it a second thought.

[wdleehi]

This just reads to expensive.   The only reason they trade KAT is if he demands a trade.   If he demands a trade, they are not getting a return like that.


It is more like a Smart, Rob, young players/cap filler and a plethora of draft picks.  (and the hope KAT wants to play with Tatum and Brown thus trying to force his way there)

[Vermont Green]

We trade three starters for KAT.  I can't wait to be deep in lottery land every year again.

I don't even understand the Walker part of the trade.  That said, I'd do Brown and Smart for KAT and wouldn't give it a second thought.

Yeah, there have been other threads on this but Brown + Smart, or probably more likely from MIN point of view, Brown + RWill is a reasonable start to a trade for Towns.  I am not sure who could beat that (to the original question).  It is a good offer.  Some teams could offer more or better picks but not too many can offer a young all star wing along with a promising Big prospect. 

As to Kemba, I think you are trading him for a second round pick.  I would rather keep him if that were the case.  Assuming Brown + RWill:

Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Wagner
Towns

We still need a PF (or at least a better one) or you could plan to start Fournier and play 1-big.  Either way, that team is better with Kemba than a second round pick.  You are going to be in Tax in either case I suspect.  Makes no sense to just dump Kemba as part of this.

[keevsnick]

This deal would NEVER happen. Lets say MIN did decide to trade Towns, which they wont until at least the offseason after this one because he still has three years left on his deal this summer. But if they did they arent going to make another guy with EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH CONTRACT the centerpiece of the deal because then you have the exact same problem you had with Towns, only with a guy who you didn't draft and feels no connection to your organization.

A Brown for KAT straight up swap makes no sense, really for either team. People need to stop treating him like he's a prospect in these larger star deals. He's not anymore. The Celtics will do everything they can to ADD to him/Tatum before they deal brown, because three stars is how you reach true contender levels.

[Moranis]

This deal would NEVER happen. Lets say MIN did decide to trade Towns, which they wont until at least the offseason after this one because he still has three years left on his deal this summer. But if they did they arent going to make another guy with EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH CONTRACT the centerpiece of the deal because then you have the exact same problem you had with Towns, only with a guy who you didn't draft and feels no connection to your organization.

A Brown for KAT straight up swap makes no sense, really for either team. People need to stop treating him like he's a prospect in these larger star deals. He's not anymore. The Celtics will do everything they can to ADD to him/Tatum before they deal brown, because three stars is how you reach true contender levels.

I disagree with this.  Towns is better than Brown and fits better long term with him (since both Brown and Tatum are really at their best playing SF).  The team needs a big man. 

As for Minnesota, I don't think they'd be looking at a complete reset.  They still have Russell and Edwards.  They have the potential for another piece from the draft this year.  If you add Brown to their roster, I think they'd like that.  They need a defensive oriented wing.  He is young and still very good.  I think he'd be a good fit. 

I do agree that Smart doesn't make much sense for Minnesota, but Brown absolutely does.  Something like Brown, Nesmith, Wagner, 21 1st, 22 1st  for Towns makes a lot of sense for both teams.  I might even throw in the 24 1st if needed.  If they'd prefer Langford to Nesmith, I'd do that.

Boston next year (bringing back the 3 FA's)

PG - Walker, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Fournier, Smart, Langford
SF - Tatum, Ojeleye
PF - Towns, G. Williams
C - R. Williams, Thompson, Kornet

Basic Rotation - Walker, Pritchard, Founier, Smart, Langford, Tatum, Towns, R. Williams, Thompson

Use the MLE on a back-up Swing (someone like Morris, not Morris, just that type of player) to be the 10th guy in the normal rotation and then signing someone else for the deep bench (maybe a 2nd round rookie, veteran free agent, etc.)

I think that trade is reasonable for both teams and definitely sets Boston up to actually contend better.  I'd look to move Walker for a younger player, even if not quite as good, to further set the team up down the line, but I wouldn't just sell Walker off for whatever I would get, but if I could get someone like Brogdon, I'd do that (even if it cost an additional asset). 

[Vermont Green]

This deal would NEVER happen. Lets say MIN did decide to trade Towns, which they wont until at least the offseason after this one because he still has three years left on his deal this summer. But if they did they arent going to make another guy with EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH CONTRACT the centerpiece of the deal because then you have the exact same problem you had with Towns, only with a guy who you didn't draft and feels no connection to your organization.

A Brown for KAT straight up swap makes no sense, really for either team. People need to stop treating him like he's a prospect in these larger star deals. He's not anymore. The Celtics will do everything they can to ADD to him/Tatum before they deal brown, because three stars is how you reach true contender levels.

You seem to be pretty sure of what MIN may or may not do or want.  To me, if you decide to trade a player like Towns, you either want a major haul of picks along with expiring contracts (See Paul George or James Harden deals) or you may want to get players that are good now, such as Brown who is an all star and getting better, or most likely some combination of both.

If MIN wants picks and expirings, we are not the team that is going to get that done.  But Brown is a good start to a good offer and to me Brown + RWilliams is a really good start.  If it were me, I would rather have Brown, a proven player, than picks that carry all kinds of risk/uncertainty.  But I don't know what MIN would want or if there is even anything that would make them consider trading Towns.

[jambr380]

This deal would NEVER happen. Lets say MIN did decide to trade Towns, which they wont until at least the offseason after this one because he still has three years left on his deal this summer. But if they did they arent going to make another guy with EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH CONTRACT the centerpiece of the deal because then you have the exact same problem you had with Towns, only with a guy who you didn't draft and feels no connection to your organization.

A Brown for KAT straight up swap makes no sense, really for either team. People need to stop treating him like he's a prospect in these larger star deals. He's not anymore. The Celtics will do everything they can to ADD to him/Tatum before they deal brown, because three stars is how you reach true contender levels.

You seem to be pretty sure of what MIN may or may not do or want.  To me, if you decide to trade a player like Towns, you either want a major haul of picks along with expiring contracts (See Paul George or James Harden deals) or you may want to get players that are good now, such as Brown who is an all star and getting better, or most likely some combination of both.

If MIN wants picks and expirings, we are not the team that is going to get that done.  But Brown is a good start to a good offer and to me Brown + RWilliams is a really good start.  If it were me, I would rather have Brown, a proven player, than picks that carry all kinds of risk/uncertainty.  But I don't know what MIN would want or if there is even anything that would make them consider trading Towns.

If the Rockets trade is any indication, we can absolutely offer expirings and picks. HOU's final haul was Dante Exum, Rodion Kurucs, Kelly Olynyk, and Avery Bradley, along with 3 1sts and pick swaps.

An offer of say: Smart, Thompson, Nesmith, and two 1sts is much better than that. Throw in a couple of pick swaps for good measure.

I agree that Brown is an incredible starting point, though, and one that MIN would likely require from us, even if they aren't requiring the same level asset from another team.

[Vermont Green]

This deal would NEVER happen. Lets say MIN did decide to trade Towns, which they wont until at least the offseason after this one because he still has three years left on his deal this summer. But if they did they arent going to make another guy with EXACTLY THE SAME LENGTH CONTRACT the centerpiece of the deal because then you have the exact same problem you had with Towns, only with a guy who you didn't draft and feels no connection to your organization.

A Brown for KAT straight up swap makes no sense, really for either team. People need to stop treating him like he's a prospect in these larger star deals. He's not anymore. The Celtics will do everything they can to ADD to him/Tatum before they deal brown, because three stars is how you reach true contender levels.

You seem to be pretty sure of what MIN may or may not do or want.  To me, if you decide to trade a player like Towns, you either want a major haul of picks along with expiring contracts (See Paul George or James Harden deals) or you may want to get players that are good now, such as Brown who is an all star and getting better, or most likely some combination of both.

If MIN wants picks and expirings, we are not the team that is going to get that done.  But Brown is a good start to a good offer and to me Brown + RWilliams is a really good start.  If it were me, I would rather have Brown, a proven player, than picks that carry all kinds of risk/uncertainty.  But I don't know what MIN would want or if there is even anything that would make them consider trading Towns.

If the Rockets trade is any indication, we can absolutely offer expirings and picks. HOU's final haul was Dante Exum, Rodion Kurucs, Kelly Olynyk, and Avery Bradley, along with 3 1sts and pick swaps.

An offer of say: Smart, Thompson, Nesmith, and two 1sts is much better than that. Throw in a couple of pick swaps for good measure.

I agree that Brown is an incredible starting point, though, and one that MIN would likely require from us, even if they aren't requiring the same level asset from another team.

Sure, we can offer that but if the meat of the deal is picks, there are many teams that can offer what will likely be better picks.  If we get Towns, we are likely a good team so bad picks.  Would MIN really trade Towns for 3 picks in the 20-30 range?  I wouldn't.  They can find better picks out there, if that is their goal.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Brown + Smart is a massive overpay. JT for KAT straight up is more even. I'm in the unpopular minority on this website, but Brown's leadership, defense, and position versatility is more valuable to this team than Tatum. If we're shopping for a PF I'd rather try and pry guys like Jonathan Isaac or Jaren Jackson Jr for Tatum plus get a little extra possibly.