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Title: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CelticsElite on May 18, 2018, 08:52:54 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2776700-2018-nba-draft-rumors-grizzlies-open-to-trading-no-4-overall-pick

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According to Sean Deveney of Sporting News, one NBA general manager said the following about the Grizzlies' stance entering the draft on June 21:

"If you have someone you like in the first few picks, they're the first call you'd make. They obviously were the most disappointed with the way the lottery went and the options they have now. It seems like they want to try to turn that pick into something else.

"Everyone's going to talk before the draft, of course. But Memphis, I think they're the ones who are going to be more ready to do something than others."

give them back the 2019 MEM protected pick, sac pick, and/or maybe rozier?

 I think they’d be interested in having their pick back and it gives Danny a little leverage




Suns open to trading #1:  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick
Title: Re: Grizzlies are open to shopping the #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: gouki88 on May 18, 2018, 08:56:05 PM
Ooft, if we got that and snagged Jackson/Bamba/Bagley it'd be insane.

Are the Grizzlies interested in Rozier though? Wouldn't he just be a backup to max contract Conley
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: trickybilly on May 18, 2018, 09:40:58 PM
Can we have Gasol instead?
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: Moranis on May 18, 2018, 10:54:07 PM
Phoenix and Memphis picks o  the block. Should be an interesting week leading into the draft
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CelticsElite on May 19, 2018, 12:02:11 AM
Suns open to trading the #1 pick

  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick



Kyrie for #1 ?
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Beat LA on May 19, 2018, 12:34:37 AM
Suns open to trading the #1 pick

  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick



Kyrie for #1 ?

If Ayton is really that good, and Phoenix would actually trade the first pick and Tyson Chandler, for salary purposes in the case of the latter, obviously, not to mention unfortunately, seeing as to how much I despise dat dude, lol, for Kyrie, then I'd pull the trigger on that deal without hesitation.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: MattyIce on May 19, 2018, 01:18:31 AM
Suns open to trading the #1 pick

  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick



Kyrie for #1 ?

If Ayton is really that good, and Phoenix would actually trade the first pick and Tyson Chandler, for salary purposes in the case of the latter, obviously, not to mention unfortunately, seeing as to how much I despise dat dude, lol, for Kyrie, then I'd pull the trigger on that deal without hesitation.

from what i understood, is that KI made it known to Suns that he wouldn't sign an extension with them..if so they obviously wouldn't do it
Title: Re: Grizzlies are open to shopping the #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: Eddie20 on May 19, 2018, 07:00:52 AM
Ooft, if we got that and snagged Jackson/Bamba/Bagley it'd be insane.

Are the Grizzlies interested in Rozier though? Wouldn't he just be a backup to max contract Conley

Conley is turning 31 and has had a host of injuries. Over the last 3 seasons he's missed 109 games. Regardless, Rozier would see a huge amount of playing time, either alongside Conley or without him.

I do think that Rozier, #27, Sacramento 2019, and Memphis' 2019 would probably get it done. That's a lot of assets back, including their own pick, which is huge for a team so devoid of talent.
Title: Re: Grizzlies are open to shopping the #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: smokeablount on May 19, 2018, 08:09:03 AM
Ooft, if we got that and snagged Jackson/Bamba/Bagley it'd be insane.

Are the Grizzlies interested in Rozier though? Wouldn't he just be a backup to max contract Conley

Conley is turning 31 and has had a host of injuries. Over the last 3 seasons he's missed 109 games. Regardless, Rozier would see a huge amount of playing time, either alongside Conley or without him.

I do think that Rozier, #27, Sacramento 2019, and Memphis' 2019 would probably get it done. That's a lot of assets back, including their own pick, which is huge for a team so devoid of talent.

I would have to consider dealing Rozier, #27, Sac + Memphis 2019 picks for the right to draft #4 and pick between Bagley, Jaren Jackson Jr and Wendell Carter. Carter looks like exactly what we want from a young big man to play with Al and someday replace him, and Bagley / JJJ have insane upside. There’s also the X factor, Michael Porter Jr.

If we think Carter is there, might be more palatable to trade Rozier, #27, Sac + Clips 2019 picks for the #6 pick from Orlando.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Green-18 on May 19, 2018, 08:20:36 AM
This is very interesting to say the least.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal with Memphis be contingent upon a specific player being available at #4.  Danny has mentioned multiple times that they place very high value on competitiveness.  Talent and raw potential are only part of the equation. 

It would be difficult to say no to a trade revolving around Rozier + future picks for the #4 pick.  The addition of a young Center to learn from Horford is the final piece of the long term puzzle. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on May 19, 2018, 08:34:04 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the price would be *high* for either of these picks. As in much higher than Terry Rozier for the fourth or Kyrie for the first. They're probably willing to consider someone like KAT.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: td450 on May 19, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
We do not want the first pick.

I don't see Ayton or Doncic on this team being worth the price or the disruption. We are killing teams with switchable, high energy defense and guys who can create and shoot at every position. That's the future of the NBA. Horford is the model for what we need. Jackson and Carter are the only two top guys that might fit the bill. Bamba cannot switch or shoot.
Title: Re: Grizzlies are open to shopping the #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: Sophomore on May 19, 2018, 10:09:03 AM
Ooft, if we got that and snagged Jackson/Bamba/Bagley it'd be insane.

Are the Grizzlies interested in Rozier though? Wouldn't he just be a backup to max contract Conley

Conley is turning 31 and has had a host of injuries. Over the last 3 seasons he's missed 109 games. Regardless, Rozier would see a huge amount of playing time, either alongside Conley or without him.

I do think that Rozier, #27, Sacramento 2019, and Memphis' 2019 would probably get it done. That's a lot of assets back, including their own pick, which is huge for a team so devoid of talent.

This is a really interesting idea... Jackson or Carter; they seem like Ainge’s type of guys. Or I guess the front office might just stand pat and roll the dice with the sacto pick; if it’s good you get your player and keep your future assets plus a year of Rozier.
Title: Re: Grizzlies are open to shopping the #4 pick (bleacher report)
Post by: smokeablount on May 19, 2018, 10:17:24 AM
Ooft, if we got that and snagged Jackson/Bamba/Bagley it'd be insane.

Are the Grizzlies interested in Rozier though? Wouldn't he just be a backup to max contract Conley

Conley is turning 31 and has had a host of injuries. Over the last 3 seasons he's missed 109 games. Regardless, Rozier would see a huge amount of playing time, either alongside Conley or without him.

I do think that Rozier, #27, Sacramento 2019, and Memphis' 2019 would probably get it done. That's a lot of assets back, including their own pick, which is huge for a team so devoid of talent.

This is a really interesting idea... Jackson or Carter; they seem like Ainge’s type of guys. Or I guess the front office might just stand pat and roll the dice with the sacto pick; if it’s good you get your player and keep your future assets plus a year of Rozier.

I like Jackson Jr and Carter Jr a lot too. I will have a draft post in the coming weeks about big men.

They’d have to at least consider Rozier, #27 (something this year), Sac 19 (a very good draft asset) and their own 2019 pick. They might not pull the trigger, but that’s a deal that both sides can win.

If the Sac pick hits #1 or #2, they can win it handily.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Eja117 on May 19, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
This is just me but I think when they say they are "open to trading" the real meaning there is "We are open to people overbidding by a lot"
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CelticsElite on May 19, 2018, 12:35:54 PM
This is just me but I think when they say they are "open to trading" the real meaning there is "We are open to people overbidding by a lot"
yeah that's true
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: LarBrd33 on May 19, 2018, 12:45:50 PM
I assume by Memphis shopping the pick it means they are going hard after impact talent like kawhi Leonard to pair with Conley and Gasol.

I imagine the suns are just doing their due diligence.

I could see Rozier and the Kings 1st getting the 8th pick though.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: nickagneta on May 19, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
I assume by Memphis shopping the pick it means they are going hard after impact talent like kawhi Leonard to pair with Conley and Gasol.

I imagine the suns are just doing their due diligence.

I could see Rozier and the Kings 1st getting the 8th pick though.
The Cavs trading with the Celtics again after getting destroyed on their last trade? Don't see that happening. Cleveland thought the Brooklyn pick would be top 3 and are hating the fact it came out 8th in basically a 6-7 star player draft. You think they are going to trade that pick back to Boston when there's a chance they could get screwed again by having the Sacramento pick ending up in the 20s?

Yeah, its just not happening.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: vjcsmoke on May 19, 2018, 05:54:52 PM
Wendell Carter at #4?  That's quite a reach.  Carter is more an 8-12 range pick.  He's a solid big man who will help, but he doesn't look like he will turn into a dominant big man.  If you pick at #4, I'd rather select a guy like Bomba who might turn into a lockdown, Mutumbo type defensive talent.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: byennie on May 19, 2018, 06:13:47 PM
I say we draft Bagley III, find out he's basically Tatum but taller, and just get real weird with it.

Irving/ Hayward/ Brown/ Horford/ Baynes
Rozier/ Smart/ Tatum/ Bagley/ Morris/ Theis

Sweet Baby Jesus
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Beat LA on May 19, 2018, 11:07:04 PM
Suns open to trading the #1 pick

  http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540668/phoenix-suns-general-manager-ryan-mcdonough-certainly-open-dealing-no-1-pick



Kyrie for #1 ?

If Ayton is really that good, and Phoenix would actually trade the first pick and Tyson Chandler, for salary purposes in the case of the latter, obviously, not to mention unfortunately, seeing as to how much I despise dat dude, lol, for Kyrie, then I'd pull the trigger on that deal without hesitation.

from what i understood, is that KI made it known to Suns that he wouldn't sign an extension with them..if so they obviously wouldn't do it

Doh! ;D
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: SparzWizard on May 19, 2018, 11:23:32 PM
Suns asking price would be two of Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, and SAC '19 pick along with a package of other role players.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CelticsElite on May 20, 2018, 02:13:22 AM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Beat LA on May 20, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: hpantazo on May 20, 2018, 09:41:07 AM
I assume by Memphis shopping the pick it means they are going hard after impact talent like kawhi Leonard to pair with Conley and Gasol.

I imagine the suns are just doing their due diligence.

I could see Rozier and the Kings 1st getting the 8th pick though.

I'd love to see the Grizzlies trade for Kawhi Leonard. Leonard, Gasol and Conley would reward Gasol for hanging around and still give them a young star in Leonard going forward. Also, it would keep Leonard away from other teams.

Spurs would then have to move Alrdidge I would assume.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Smitty77 on May 20, 2018, 10:29:31 AM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.

Please explain HOW the Wolves' defense would be worse with Ayton minus Towns.  You do realize that Towns plays virtually NO defense, right??  His defensive RPM for the year among centers ranked him 65th in defensive RPM out of 83 centers listed!!!

You do know that, correct?  Have you seen Ayton's defense?

Smitty77
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: gouki88 on May 20, 2018, 11:00:27 AM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.

Please explain HOW the Wolves' defense would be worse with Ayton minus Towns.  You do realize that Towns plays virtually NO defense, right??  His defensive RPM for the year among centers ranked him 65th in defensive RPM out of 83 centers listed!!!

You do know that, correct?  Have you seen Ayton's defense?

Smitty77
KAT was a better defender when he was at Kentucky than Ayton is now. You do know that, correct?
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: tazzmaniac on May 20, 2018, 11:06:38 AM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.

Please explain HOW the Wolves' defense would be worse with Ayton minus Towns.  You do realize that Towns plays virtually NO defense, right??  His defensive RPM for the year among centers ranked him 65th in defensive RPM out of 83 centers listed!!!

You do know that, correct?  Have you seen Ayton's defense?

Smitty77
KAT was a better defender when he was at Kentucky than Ayton is now. You do know that, correct?
KAT wasn't a particularly good defender at Kentucky.  He benefitted from playing with WCS. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: gouki88 on May 20, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.

Please explain HOW the Wolves' defense would be worse with Ayton minus Towns.  You do realize that Towns plays virtually NO defense, right??  His defensive RPM for the year among centers ranked him 65th in defensive RPM out of 83 centers listed!!!

You do know that, correct?  Have you seen Ayton's defense?

Smitty77
KAT was a better defender when he was at Kentucky than Ayton is now. You do know that, correct?
KAT wasn't a particularly good defender at Kentucky.  He benefitted from playing with WCS.
I’m not saying that he was. Ayton was just really quite mediocre
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Smitty77 on May 20, 2018, 12:53:48 PM
suns update-
Devin Booker Tweets Photo Of Karl-Anthony Towns In Suns Jersey

https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/997648229511577600


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdhbxoyV4AEA57V?format=jpg)

Lol, that would be beyond hilarious if Minnesota were to trade Towns and take Ayton, as that team's defense would be even worse ;D.

Please explain HOW the Wolves' defense would be worse with Ayton minus Towns.  You do realize that Towns plays virtually NO defense, right??  His defensive RPM for the year among centers ranked him 65th in defensive RPM out of 83 centers listed!!!

You do know that, correct?  Have you seen Ayton's defense?

Smitty77
KAT was a better defender when he was at Kentucky than Ayton is now. You do know that, correct?

NO, I did NOT know that KAT was such a good defender in KY!!  I missed that because it simply is NOT in any way, share, or form, true!!!!  Ayton is a little lazy on D, but he is young.  Towns is young too, but has played in the NBA for three full years.  In year one, he ranked 51 out of 60 centers in defensive RPM.  In year two, KAT ranked 70th out of 81 centers.  This year, he was 65th out of 83.  I do NOT see that as improvement, but as a PATTERN of POOR D!!!!

It is what have you done for me lately, and KAT has not done crap on the defensive side of the ball!!  I will gladly say the same about Ayton IF he puts up three straight years of abysmal NBA defense in his first three years!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: green_bballers13 on May 20, 2018, 01:48:27 PM
I assume by Memphis shopping the pick it means they are going hard after impact talent like kawhi Leonard to pair with Conley and Gasol.

I imagine the suns are just doing their due diligence.

I could see Rozier and the Kings 1st getting the 8th pick though.

Have you watched any of these draft picks? #8 isn't getting you a lot this year. I'm not sure the 8th best player in this draft would get minutes on the Celtics next year.

Also, have you seen SAC play basketball this year? They're brutal. I think the SAC pick has a better chance of being more valuable than the 8th pick this year.

I am all set with Trae Young or another player with clear flaws. Top 3 pick? Sure, make that trade.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Beat LA on May 20, 2018, 04:43:54 PM
It is what have you done for me lately, and KAT has not done crap on the defensive side of the ball!!  I will gladly say the same about Ayton IF he puts up three straight years of abysmal NBA defense in his first three years!!

Smitty77

A basketball does not have sides!! ;D

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/49617685/loud-noises.jpg)
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: nickagneta on May 20, 2018, 04:47:47 PM
It is what have you done for me lately, and KAT has not done crap on the defensive side of the ball!!  I will gladly say the same about Ayton IF he puts up three straight years of abysmal NBA defense in his first three years!!

Smitty77

A basketball does not have sides!! ;D

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/49617685/loud-noises.jpg)
Yes it does, inside and outside. 😋😂
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CelticsElite on May 21, 2018, 01:01:07 AM
I agree with those saying KAT Is garbage on d
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Beat LA on May 21, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
It is what have you done for me lately, and KAT has not done crap on the defensive side of the ball!!  I will gladly say the same about Ayton IF he puts up three straight years of abysmal NBA defense in his first three years!!

Smitty77

A basketball does not have sides!! ;D

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/49617685/loud-noises.jpg)
Yes it does, inside and outside. 😋😂

Lol. Oh you ;D.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Somebody on May 21, 2018, 02:05:19 AM
Is there any way we can realistically get the 4th pick from the Grizzlies and hopefully an extra asset or two by trading Kyrie without taking on Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. contracts?
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: trickybilly on May 21, 2018, 03:02:47 AM
Is there any way we can realistically get the 4th pick from the Grizzlies and hopefully an extra asset or two by trading Kyrie without taking on **** contracts?

Yes. You would need a third team though.

Something like Mem pick and Jamychal to Boston, Kyrie to Milwaukee, and some combination of iIlwaukee's assets (Parker, Maker, Bledsoe, Dellevadova) to Memphis might work.

Memphis would be advised to go all in for the next two/three years with Gasol and Conley -- they just need to add wings and depth.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: gouki88 on May 21, 2018, 03:17:10 AM
Is there any way we can realistically get the 4th pick from the Grizzlies and hopefully an extra asset or two by trading Kyrie without taking on **** contracts?

Yes. You would need a third team though.

Something like Mem pick and Jamychal to Boston, Kyrie to Milwaukee, and some combination of iIlwaukee's assets (Parker, Maker, Bledsoe, Dellevadova) to Memphis might work.

Memphis would be advised to go all in for the next two/three years with Gasol and Conley -- they just need to add wings and depth.
Do we really want to pair Kyrie with Giannis, under Coach Bud? After taking us to 7 games I feel like that team would kill us
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: ChillyWilly on May 21, 2018, 07:16:30 AM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: OHCeltic on May 21, 2018, 09:55:11 AM
If we get #4 we could trade up with the Suns using some of our future draft capital
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: smokeablount on May 21, 2018, 10:20:45 AM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: smokeablount on May 21, 2018, 10:45:38 AM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!

I should clarify also- I'm not firmly in the trade Rozier camp, but Danny is an asset manager.  It would be in his character to flip Rozier (and consolidate a draft asset or two) to get a highly valuable asset more likely than a player, due to our cap situation and the fact that a player of that value would clearly put us in the tax. 

But if he matched outgoing salary to acquire the #4 or #6 pick and drafted that player, he'd have him for 4-8 years and on the same timeline as Jaylen, Jayson, and Kyrie. A big 4 of the future to match our current big whatever of KI, JB, GH, JT and Al.

The core thing here is, I don't think we could replace Rozier when he plays 30-40 minutes a night.  He's an above average starting PG and the best player in a backup guard role.

The key to me is, if he only plays backup minutes and shares them with Smart, the fact is, his production or at least 75% of it should be replaceable on a vet min contract given our current stature in the NBA.  So if he starts, he's immensely valuable.  If Kyrie never gets hurt and Rozier never starts or plays 30 minutes, he doesn't add nearly as much value.

Now imagine Horford getting hurt.  How would Tatum, Baynes and Theis hold down the fort vs. Brown, Smart and Rozier?  To me, we need depth at PF/C with an athletic 2-way player as much as we need Rozier's depth at guard, and I think you can find 2-3 of those PF/C at #4 or #6.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: liam on May 21, 2018, 01:16:59 PM
I read something about Doncic dropping into the 4 spot. I find this very unrealistic but stranger things have happened. If Doncic drops to 4 Danny should throw a godfather offer at the Grizz. Change Rozzier and picks ( as many as 4) into Doncic.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: nickagneta on May 21, 2018, 01:32:44 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!

I should clarify also- I'm not firmly in the trade Rozier camp, but Danny is an asset manager.  It would be in his character to flip Rozier (and consolidate a draft asset or two) to get a highly valuable asset more likely than a player, due to our cap situation and the fact that a player of that value would clearly put us in the tax. 

But if he matched outgoing salary to acquire the #4 or #6 pick and drafted that player, he'd have him for 4-8 years and on the same timeline as Jaylen, Jayson, and Kyrie. A big 4 of the future to match our current big whatever of KI, JB, GH, JT and Al.

The core thing here is, I don't think we could replace Rozier when he plays 30-40 minutes a night.  He's an above average starting PG and the best player in a backup guard role.

The key to me is, if he only plays backup minutes and shares them with Smart, the fact is, his production or at least 75% of it should be replaceable on a vet min contract given our current stature in the NBA.  So if he starts, he's immensely valuable.  If Kyrie never gets hurt and Rozier never starts or plays 30 minutes, he doesn't add nearly as much value.

Now imagine Horford getting hurt.  How would Tatum, Baynes and Theis hold down the fort vs. Brown, Smart and Rozier?  To me, we need depth at PF/C with an athletic 2-way player as much as we need Rozier's depth at guard, and I think you can find 2-3 of those PF/C at #4 or #6.
Don't we have Rozier under control for the next 5 years? What makes you think after three years, when we are looking at having to pay this rookie that the everyone isn't going to be saying we need to trade this developing rookie because his rookie contract is up in a year and we need to trade him while his value is high? Seems I have heard this idea every year since Sullinger.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: celts55 on May 21, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
I'd trade Rozier and Sac pick for #4. I'd throw in this years 1st also.

First, I expect Rozier to be gone in a year and second, I'm not sold on him. He's still very inconsistent. Plays well at home and sucks on the road. Nice guard off the bench, but I personally don't see him as being more than a slightly above starter.

Second, The Kings weren't that bad this year. I believe they had the 6st worse record. Given they have the #2 pick this year, I could see them having a pick somewhere in the 6-10 range. I'd rather have #4 this years.

Third, I don't really care about the 27th pick. Might get someone you can develop, but just as soon see them give Bird a shot if they have space on the roster.

I think I'd even throw in another pick down the road. This team is still lacking depth at the big, and if next year is the year, they are going to need some.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Androslav on May 21, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
It is what have you done for me lately, and KAT has not done crap on the defensive side of the ball!!  I will gladly say the same about Ayton IF he puts up three straight years of abysmal NBA defense in his first three years!!

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Yes it does, inside and outside.

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Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: celticsclay on May 21, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

We really don't need a rookie this year...
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: smokeablount on May 21, 2018, 03:23:15 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!

I should clarify also- I'm not firmly in the trade Rozier camp, but Danny is an asset manager.  It would be in his character to flip Rozier (and consolidate a draft asset or two) to get a highly valuable asset more likely than a player, due to our cap situation and the fact that a player of that value would clearly put us in the tax. 

But if he matched outgoing salary to acquire the #4 or #6 pick and drafted that player, he'd have him for 4-8 years and on the same timeline as Jaylen, Jayson, and Kyrie. A big 4 of the future to match our current big whatever of KI, JB, GH, JT and Al.

The core thing here is, I don't think we could replace Rozier when he plays 30-40 minutes a night.  He's an above average starting PG and the best player in a backup guard role.

The key to me is, if he only plays backup minutes and shares them with Smart, the fact is, his production or at least 75% of it should be replaceable on a vet min contract given our current stature in the NBA.  So if he starts, he's immensely valuable.  If Kyrie never gets hurt and Rozier never starts or plays 30 minutes, he doesn't add nearly as much value.

Now imagine Horford getting hurt.  How would Tatum, Baynes and Theis hold down the fort vs. Brown, Smart and Rozier?  To me, we need depth at PF/C with an athletic 2-way player as much as we need Rozier's depth at guard, and I think you can find 2-3 of those PF/C at #4 or #6.
Don't we have Rozier under control for the next 5 years? What makes you think after three years, when we are looking at having to pay this rookie that the everyone isn't going to be saying we need to trade this developing rookie because his rookie contract is up in a year and we need to trade him while his value is high? Seems I have heard this idea every year since Sullinger.

I think you're right, we very well might be saying the same thing about the #4 or #6 pick in 3-4 years, but in the meantime we'd have 4 years of rookie scale vs. 1 for Rozier, and the premise is we get a big who has all star potential, which I think Jackson and Carter could have.  If we let Smart walk this debate ends for me, but if we keep Smart, this potential trade looks enticing.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: Big333223 on May 21, 2018, 04:01:19 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

This is generally how I feel. Keep Rozier, make a run next season, and the summer of '19 he's restricted so the Celtics still have the leverage to sign-and-trade him if that has to happen.

But... If #4 comes available for, say, Rozier, #27, and Memphis' own pick back I would do that deal. But Memphis is going to try to get an impact wing to pair with Conley and Gasol to make one more run at it.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: smokeablount on May 21, 2018, 04:18:13 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

This is generally how I feel. Keep Rozier, make a run next season, and the summer of '19 he's restricted so the Celtics still have the leverage to sign-and-trade him if that has to happen.

But... If #4 comes available for, say, Rozier, #27, and Memphis' own pick back I would do that deal. But Memphis is going to try to get an impact wing to pair with Conley and Gasol to make one more run at it.

I'm just not excited about the draft next year.  Not the players themselves, not the positions they play.  I'm thinking we can't keep all our 2019 draft picks, and we don't have enough minutes for our guards to play their best (IE Rozier is much better if he plays with starters and if he gets enough time to get in a rhythm).

If Danny works out Jaren Jackson Jr and our entire braintrust think he's the next Bosh (this kid looks like a freak), or Danny works out the incredibly skilled Wendell Carter Jr and they think he's a 19-year-old version of 21-year-old Al Horford, I would welcome the following deal:

Rozier
2019 Memphis pick
#27
2019 Sacramento pick

FOR

#4
#34 or Unprotected 2019 2nd Rounder
Top 40 Protected '21 or '22 2nd Rounder

I know Hinkie made his name or taking as many shots in the lottery as possible... But his 'surviving' kids just lost to the only 2 kids we drafted in the top 3. 

Based on us picking Brown at 3 and having Tatum as the #1 player last year, I would roll with a consolidation trade to get a high pick, and risk going bust, to snag a cost controlled elite young big man prospect that compares favorably to a multiple time all star.  Then we hopefully get 2 high 2nd round picks staggered over the next 3-4 years, to get kids with 1st round talent on 4 year deals worth 500k-1m a year, to help round out our contending roster for cheap.

I think Danny has earned the benefit of the doubt as to how to acquire and spend high draft picks, and remember, he's the guy who refused to trade Rozier all along.  No one in the world was higher on Rozier than him.  If even Danny thinks its time to deal, it says something.

I don't know what the right path is, and will live and die with what our braintrust decides. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: nickagneta on May 21, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!

I should clarify also- I'm not firmly in the trade Rozier camp, but Danny is an asset manager.  It would be in his character to flip Rozier (and consolidate a draft asset or two) to get a highly valuable asset more likely than a player, due to our cap situation and the fact that a player of that value would clearly put us in the tax. 

But if he matched outgoing salary to acquire the #4 or #6 pick and drafted that player, he'd have him for 4-8 years and on the same timeline as Jaylen, Jayson, and Kyrie. A big 4 of the future to match our current big whatever of KI, JB, GH, JT and Al.

The core thing here is, I don't think we could replace Rozier when he plays 30-40 minutes a night.  He's an above average starting PG and the best player in a backup guard role.

The key to me is, if he only plays backup minutes and shares them with Smart, the fact is, his production or at least 75% of it should be replaceable on a vet min contract given our current stature in the NBA.  So if he starts, he's immensely valuable.  If Kyrie never gets hurt and Rozier never starts or plays 30 minutes, he doesn't add nearly as much value.

Now imagine Horford getting hurt.  How would Tatum, Baynes and Theis hold down the fort vs. Brown, Smart and Rozier?  To me, we need depth at PF/C with an athletic 2-way player as much as we need Rozier's depth at guard, and I think you can find 2-3 of those PF/C at #4 or #6.
Don't we have Rozier under control for the next 5 years? What makes you think after three years, when we are looking at having to pay this rookie that the everyone isn't going to be saying we need to trade this developing rookie because his rookie contract is up in a year and we need to trade him while his value is high? Seems I have heard this idea every year since Sullinger.

I think you're right, we very well might be saying the same thing about the #4 or #6 pick in 3-4 years, but in the meantime we'd have 4 years of rookie scale vs. 1 for Rozier, and the premise is we get a big who has all star potential, which I think Jackson and Carter could have.  If we let Smart walk this debate ends for me, but if we keep Smart, this potential trade looks enticing.
[developAnother thing to consider is what have you done to the quality of the roster if the big doesn't work out? You also might not be getting the same production that Rozier gives you. Bigs develop slower. So that big may not even be developed by the end of year three.

It seems like most people looking to trade Rozier for a pick don't realize that not every pick works out like Rozier, Brown and Tatum. Here's some bigs that were drafted in the top six of recent drafts:

Dragan Bender
Jahlil Okafor
Willie-Cauley Stein
Cody Zeller
Alex Len
Anthony Bennett
Thomas Robinson

A big pick in the top 6 could easily turn into players like those. Are any of them worth Rozier and a possible high lottery pick?

I just think, going into a Finals contending year, you have to go for it. You have an amazing backcourt and wing situation. This is now a guard and wing league. Why hurt that when going for a REAL shot at a title. We are one of if not the youngest team to ever get to a conference final or the Finals if we get there. We don't need to get younger. We have 4 picks at getting a star player, maybe a big, in next year's draft.

I say maintain status quo. Resign Smart to a bargain deal if possuble if not let him walk, look at Rozier as your future 6th man, pay him after a year and use the draft to supplement the team in 2019, hopefully after a title.
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: smokeablount on May 21, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
CB forums obsession with draft picks and trading to get high draft picks continues.

We have a championship level roster right now why would we rock that boat for MOAH rookies!

Be quiet Chilly we need to move Rozier and Irving because having 2 talented guards on the same roster will NEVAH win you a ring!! MOAH ROOKIES!!!

Yeah, people always wanna trade up for top picks.  But this year even I want to do this.  I mean, we can't take on all the draft picks we have, we have 4 guards that need more minutes than we can play them, and we need a young big of which there are tons in this draft.

People are talking about Bamba the most, but I actually question his fit with his lack of passing and needing to develop a 3.  Jaren Jackson Jr looks like a better version of Bamba and he should be at 4, and Wendell Carter who could be there at 7 looks like a truly amazing fit for us. 

This year, with the amount of picks and guards we have, I don't think these fantasies are as nuts as usual.  I mean, c'mon, I've got them... they can't be nuts!

I should clarify also- I'm not firmly in the trade Rozier camp, but Danny is an asset manager.  It would be in his character to flip Rozier (and consolidate a draft asset or two) to get a highly valuable asset more likely than a player, due to our cap situation and the fact that a player of that value would clearly put us in the tax. 

But if he matched outgoing salary to acquire the #4 or #6 pick and drafted that player, he'd have him for 4-8 years and on the same timeline as Jaylen, Jayson, and Kyrie. A big 4 of the future to match our current big whatever of KI, JB, GH, JT and Al.

The core thing here is, I don't think we could replace Rozier when he plays 30-40 minutes a night.  He's an above average starting PG and the best player in a backup guard role.

The key to me is, if he only plays backup minutes and shares them with Smart, the fact is, his production or at least 75% of it should be replaceable on a vet min contract given our current stature in the NBA.  So if he starts, he's immensely valuable.  If Kyrie never gets hurt and Rozier never starts or plays 30 minutes, he doesn't add nearly as much value.

Now imagine Horford getting hurt.  How would Tatum, Baynes and Theis hold down the fort vs. Brown, Smart and Rozier?  To me, we need depth at PF/C with an athletic 2-way player as much as we need Rozier's depth at guard, and I think you can find 2-3 of those PF/C at #4 or #6.
Don't we have Rozier under control for the next 5 years? What makes you think after three years, when we are looking at having to pay this rookie that the everyone isn't going to be saying we need to trade this developing rookie because his rookie contract is up in a year and we need to trade him while his value is high? Seems I have heard this idea every year since Sullinger.

I think you're right, we very well might be saying the same thing about the #4 or #6 pick in 3-4 years, but in the meantime we'd have 4 years of rookie scale vs. 1 for Rozier, and the premise is we get a big who has all star potential, which I think Jackson and Carter could have.  If we let Smart walk this debate ends for me, but if we keep Smart, this potential trade looks enticing.
Another thing to consider is what have you done to the quality of the roster if the big doesn't work out? You also might not be getting the same production that Rozier gives you. Bigs develop slower. So that big may not even be developed by the end of year three.

It seems like most people looking to trade Rozier for a pick don't realize that not every pick works out like Rozier, Brown and Tatum. Here's some bigs that were drafted in the top six of recent drafts:

Dragan Bender
Jahlil Okafor
Willie-Cauley Stein
Cody Zeller
Alex Len
Anthony Bennett
Thomas Robinson

A big pick in the top 6 could easily turn into players like those. Are any of them worth Rozier and a possible high lottery pick?

I just think, going into a Finals contending year, you have to go for it. You have an amazing backcourt and wing situation. This is now a guard and wing league. Why hurt that when going for a REAL shot at a title. We are one of if not the youngest team to ever get to a conference final or the Finals if we get there. We don't need to get younger. We have 4 picks at getting a star player, maybe a big, in next year's draft.

I say maintain status quo. Resign Smart to a bargain deal if possuble if not let him walk, look at Rozier as your future 6th man, pay him after a year and use the draft to supplement the team in 2019, hopefully after a title.

It's a reasonable take.  I don't even disagree.  To me, the choice comes down mainly to picking your poison between insurance for a Kyrie injury and maximizing your chances overall for next year, vs. insurance for a Horford injury and maximizing the value of your asset pool. 
Title: Re: Grizzlies open to trading #4 pick. Also, Suns open to trading #1 pick
Post by: CFAN38 on May 21, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
can't see the Cs having anything to do with either trade.


Suns, If Doncic is their guy they may be able to move down to #3 or #4 if they are confident that Sac and ATL will not take him.

Memphis, this pick is interesting LAC reportedly would love it but what do they offer beyond #12 and #13? I suspect that teams will be really split on how the top of this draft should go and the player available at #4 (MPJ, JJJ, Bagely, Bamba) could all be a top two prospect on different teams boards. The teams picking 5-9 could all be jockeying to get this pick and draft "their guy".