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Title: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: newdusk on October 13, 2008, 04:57:42 PM
Dear Daniel,
 
Thank you very much for taking the time to call us about Bob Cousy.  Many of us at Comcast SportsNet New England, including myself, are native New Englanders and we understand the importance of the team’s history in the hearts of fans across the region.
We have been honored to have Bob join Celtic legend Tommy Heinsohn and Dorchester native Mike Gorman on our broadcast team as the third man in the booth for ten games during each of the past nine seasons. 

For this upcoming season, we have made several changes and have opted to go with a two-man booth.  For personal reasons, Tommy will not do road games.  Donny Marshall, who last season proved himself to be a terrific addition to our on-air team, will fill Tommy’s shoes for road games.

We share your sentiment that Bob Cousy is a classic and important part of the Celtics’ history.  As such, we have offered to work with him to find other roles within our network.  Unfortunately, he has chosen not to accept that offer.

Respecting the Celtics tradition is extremely important to us. We have been the proud home of the Celtics for the past 28 years and it is the passion of fans like yourself that makes every one of our telecasts a privilege.

With another potential championship season on tap, I hope you will join Tommy, Mike, Donny and the entire Comcast SportsNet team in closely following the new season.

Sincerely,
Skip Perham
Comcast SportsNet

I don't know if anyone else got a letter back. I personally like Donny Marshall but I would rather someone with a Celtics connection. Again I would nominate JoJo White to replace Tommy
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: slamtheking on October 13, 2008, 05:12:58 PM
someone else got the same letter and posted it in a similar thread ---see "CSN Fired Cousy!!"
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: jimmyt on October 13, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
yeah i got the same e-mail too. I guess this means a lot of people have been complaining. The letter means nothing. It doesnt change the fact that they got rid of him. It is a shame but obviously we cant do anything about it. Hopefully Cousy will still be at all the games along with other familiar faces of celtics past.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 13, 2008, 07:31:16 PM
I got the same letter.  That's the problem with computer....one reply, a click, and everyone is written off...not much thought required.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: TrueGreen on October 13, 2008, 07:54:23 PM
I got the same email back. I originally sent it to tfitzpatrick@comcastsportsnet.com. I got an auto reply that he was "out of the office" and referred me to mquilter@comcastsportsnet.com. I then received to same email as listed above. I replied to the email saying that I wasn't happy with their answer. I then forwarded that to the 2 other addresses I listed. I know it will have no effect, but at least it will fill up everyone's email address at Comcast.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: CsfanNH on October 13, 2008, 08:16:03 PM
It is a bunch of garbage no matter how it pans out. Cousy isn't a fantastic commentator, but I enjoyed the times he was able to stop in and join in with Tommy/Mike. When Tommy and Cousy would go off on a tangent about how things were in their day, or something else from the past, I enjoyed hearing about it.

I myself am not a fan of Mr. Marshal, and for that reason, detest away games. I simply don't enjoy listening to him and would even rather have Dickerson doing that job on road games along with his normal tasks. I love Tommy and hope he can do home games for many years to come, but Mr. Marshal needs to go. He can have his Celtics show and also co-star with Mr. Tanguay, but stay out of my 48 minutes of game time + overtime and time outs.

Mr. Marshall never played for the Celtics and his commentary is nothing special. Give Mike a different sidekick for away games.

CsfanNH
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: yall hate on October 13, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
I feel bad that Cousy's feelings were hurt, but frankly, I am glad he wont be on anymore.  Putting aside the sentimental aspects, he was awful.  flat out awful.  he spoke like he had marbles in his mouth, and more importantly, he just didnt have enough knowledge of the team.  Its the same crap when you get the game on one of the other networks and the sportscasters see the team 2-3 times a year.  they just dont know the players and end up talking about skills players dont have and end up sounding like idiots. 

I'd rather have a sportscaster who is knowledgeable and can keep up with the team and actually offer insight rather then just a sentimental pick to get up there and talk about garbage.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: KJ33 on October 13, 2008, 08:45:32 PM
Nice try Comcast, but no cigar.  They bought the station that has done the broadcast for 28 years, this is their 2nd year and this is one of their first moves, nice.  Their explanation is beyond weak, is Cous going to do a weekly magazine at 80 or anything else that requires his time?  The games were something he could just show up for and do, his current knowledge of NBA players is limited, but everyone understood this, they made him an offer they knew he would not accept.  

And this business about going with a 2 man booth?  It is and always has been a 2 man booth, Cous stopping in for 10 games, did not make the model a 3 man booth, so offering that this is simply a format change is disingenuous at best.  This is like banning Pesky from the bench(now the man has his # retired) or booting Red from the job of President as Pitino did.  Did it really hurt the "2 man booth" to have Cous drop in a few times a year, give us his unique take on things, as well as the obvious chemistry he has with Tommy and Mike?  By the way Comcast has gone out of their way to say how fantastic Donny Marshall is (basing this solely on broadcasting appeal, nothing to do with being a Celtic, which shows Comcast's disconnect), I suspect Donny did not like the long shadow cast by Cous, and asked if it could be just a "2 man booth"
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: KJ33 on October 13, 2008, 08:53:37 PM
I feel bad that Cousy's feelings were hurt, but frankly, I am glad he wont be on anymore.  Putting aside the sentimental aspects, he was awful.  flat out awful.  he spoke like he had marbles in his mouth, and more importantly, he just didnt have enough knowledge of the team.  Its the same crap when you get the game on one of the other networks and the sportscasters see the team 2-3 times a year.  they just dont know the players and end up talking about skills players dont have and end up sounding like idiots. 

I'd rather have a sportscaster who is knowledgeable and can keep up with the team and actually offer insight rather then just a sentimental pick to get up there and talk about garbage.

Not sure how this even makes sense.  Cous joined the broadcast for 10 games, he did not replace the #1 analyst, so your points about having a "sportscaster who is knowledgeable" etc., has no bearing on this move.  When Cous is there, the same 2 guys who do all the rest of the games are there too, so his shortcomings don't have the weight you assign since his role is not to provide that information.  Cous always asks Tommy and Mike about "this kid" which I find endearing, it is not as if the other 2 have no idea, so as a fan we are not going to miss that info.  Cous always shared insights both into execution and the mental side of the game, which supplemented Heinsohn's own philosophies.  He always had shortcomings in terms of announcing skill, so did Johnny Most, but like with Most, that is not what was the appeal.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: yall hate on October 13, 2008, 09:28:08 PM

Not sure how this even makes sense.  Cous joined the broadcast for 10 games, he did not replace the #1 analyst, so your points about having a "sportscaster who is knowledgeable" etc., has no bearing on this move.  When Cous is there, the same 2 guys who do all the rest of the games are there too, so his shortcomings don't have the weight you assign since his role is not to provide that information.  Cous always asks Tommy and Mike about "this kid" which I find endearing, it is not as if the other 2 have no idea, so as a fan we are not going to miss that info.  Cous always shared insights both into execution and the mental side of the game, which supplemented Heinsohn's own philosophies.  He always had shortcomings in terms of announcing skill, so did Johnny Most, but like with Most, that is not what was the appeal.

For the 10 games, it was unbearable.  did you watch the games?  While the others were there we got treated to Cous speaking nonsense.  frankly, as you have pointed out, he didnt bring anything regarding info, he didnt provide play by play action, he didnt provide anything insightful.  he filled time with stories about nonsense.  You say he shered insight into execution and mental side, i dont think i can recal single execution insight he has provided other then 'run' 'run' lol. 
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: The4Time2Doctor0 on October 13, 2008, 09:34:30 PM
he doesn't need to be knowledgeable of the players to be knowledgeable of the game. hes the Cous and this is a shame. he invented the mordern exciting point guard play. hes an old man and we're not going to have the pleasure of his incite for too much longer. i'm going to write a letter everyday until i get tired of doing it.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: jaketwice on October 13, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
i'm going to write a letter everyday until i get tired of doing it.

I mean, THAT is threatening! I am going to protest until something else strikes my fancy, personally!  Later, I'll be an active supporter of causes I care about... ...unless Law and Order SVU is on. I am going to stand up for Justice! Turth! and Noble Ideas! like... those... ...well, until I get distracted by - wait, what's that over there?

 LOL

 
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: jaketwice on October 13, 2008, 10:14:08 PM

Not sure how this even makes sense.  Cous joined the broadcast for 10 games, he did not replace the #1 analyst, so your points about having a "sportscaster who is knowledgeable" etc., has no bearing on this move.  When Cous is there, the same 2 guys who do all the rest of the games are there too, so his shortcomings don't have the weight you assign since his role is not to provide that information.  Cous always asks Tommy and Mike about "this kid" which I find endearing, it is not as if the other 2 have no idea, so as a fan we are not going to miss that info.  Cous always shared insights both into execution and the mental side of the game, which supplemented Heinsohn's own philosophies.  He always had shortcomings in terms of announcing skill, so did Johnny Most, but like with Most, that is not what was the appeal.

For the 10 games, it was unbearable.  did you watch the games?  While the others were there we got treated to Cous speaking nonsense.  frankly, as you have pointed out, he didnt bring anything regarding info, he didnt provide play by play action, he didnt provide anything insightful.  he filled time with stories about nonsense.  You say he shered insight into execution and mental side, i dont think i can recal single execution insight he has provided other then 'run' 'run' lol. 

You forgot to mention how painfully sinal (sinus-y? gutteral?) his voice is. He was a great player, no doubt. But CSN is right to show the fans some mercy.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: guava_wrench on October 13, 2008, 10:55:37 PM
CSN's move shows us something. It shows us that it is only a minority of viewers who want to hear Cousy on the air. Don't be fooled by the number of diehards here who consider this a travesty. Many of us diehards are happy about the move, and way more casual fans will be happier or won't even remember about the guy with the annoying voice.

I love Cousy as a Celtic, and now I can like him even more now that I don't have to hear him during broadcasts.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Andy Jick on October 13, 2008, 11:27:37 PM
this is THE boston celtics...we can do a hell of a lot better than donny marshall... :-\
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: lewis35 on October 14, 2008, 09:51:08 AM
Just the insight into the development of Rondo makes it worth having Cousy
on air.  We are lucky to have access to one of the top two or three point guards
ever to play.  As a  former PG myself, I enjoy hearing Bob Cousy talk about the decision making that an nba point guard goes through.  He may not know all the names, but he knows how to play the game better than most.  Bring him back!
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: 12417 on October 14, 2008, 01:37:31 PM
TP to you!! To anyone with a love of Celtics history Bob Cousy will always have a place at the table. I enjoy the stories that he shared as well as the connection to the past his presence brings to the broadcasts. Its a sad day for a franchise that values its past as much as the Boston Celtics to sweep away an icon in such a clumsy fashion.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Schupac on October 14, 2008, 01:51:06 PM
You can sit here and try to say only "diehards" will miss Cousy, and maybe you are right.  But before this year, the Celtics were a profitable franchise despite consistently landing the the NBA's basement.  That's because of diehard fans.

Go ask Miami how much money they make since they were a team devoted to casual fans.

Die hards keep teams, and the businesses like CSN that survive off them, strong in the lean times.  And the lean times are inevitable.  It's like they say in politics, you can bring in new votes but never alienate your "base".  Those are the ones you have to depend on.

CSN, forget my personal feelings on this.  It was a bad business decision.  Suckers.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Silas on October 14, 2008, 02:32:54 PM
The decision to let Cousy go makes no sense to me.  I watch every game on tv, live out of the area, and enjoyed seeing him show up.  Financially this makes no sense, unless Cousey was asking for the moon.  10 games with interesting stories between Tommy and Mike seems small on the scale of big time sports money.  Not sure, but I thought he only would show at a home game...if that is the case then it makes even less sense since Marshall would not be at the desk anyway.  This does remind me of pushing Red aside. Bring back Cousey for #18. Backup PG may not be critical this year anyway.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: yall hate on October 14, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
You can sit here and try to say only "diehards" will miss Cousy, and maybe you are right.  But before this year, the Celtics were a profitable franchise despite consistently landing the the NBA's basement.  That's because of diehard fans.

Go ask Miami how much money they make since they were a team devoted to casual fans.

Die hards keep teams, and the businesses like CSN that survive off them, strong in the lean times.  And the lean times are inevitable.  It's like they say in politics, you can bring in new votes but never alienate your "base".  Those are the ones you have to depend on.

CSN, forget my personal feelings on this.  It was a bad business decision.  Suckers.



Haha, are you going to stop watching the games on TV because of this?  If so, thats kind of pathetic...
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Hondo to Rondo on October 14, 2008, 02:43:06 PM
Last time I heard, Joe Kleine is in Arkansas broadcasting college basketball.  He'd be a nice addition.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: TheTruth34248 on October 14, 2008, 03:28:40 PM
I feel bad that Cousy's feelings were hurt, but frankly, I am glad he wont be on anymore.  Putting aside the sentimental aspects, he was awful.  flat out awful.  he spoke like he had marbles in his mouth, and more importantly, he just didnt have enough knowledge of the team.  Its the same crap when you get the game on one of the other networks and the sportscasters see the team 2-3 times a year.  they just dont know the players and end up talking about skills players dont have and end up sounding like idiots. 

I'd rather have a sportscaster who is knowledgeable and can keep up with the team and actually offer insight rather then just a sentimental pick to get up there and talk about garbage.

Agreed 110%...VERY well said...I've been saying this for years, and people freak out for no reason...Honestly, he was an awful announcer. Period. Nothing against his legendary play or personality, but as an announcer, he was just terrible.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: lilbrady012 on October 14, 2008, 03:53:51 PM
BRING DONNIE WAHLBERG!!!!
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: incoherent on October 14, 2008, 03:58:02 PM
The people on Boston's sports shows are all pretty lame.

Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: BrickJames on October 14, 2008, 05:36:02 PM
I feel bad that Cousy's feelings were hurt, but frankly, I am glad he wont be on anymore.  Putting aside the sentimental aspects, he was awful.  flat out awful.  he spoke like he had marbles in his mouth, and more importantly, he just didnt have enough knowledge of the team.  Its the same crap when you get the game on one of the other networks and the sportscasters see the team 2-3 times a year.  they just dont know the players and end up talking about skills players dont have and end up sounding like idiots. 

I'd rather have a sportscaster who is knowledgeable and can keep up with the team and actually offer insight rather then just a sentimental pick to get up there and talk about garbage.

Agreed 110%...VERY well said...I've been saying this for years, and people freak out for no reason...Honestly, he was an awful announcer. Period. Nothing against his legendary play or personality, but as an announcer, he was just terrible.

Regardless of whether or not you like his announcing or not (sure, it's not the traditional "mainstream" poopoo voice type of announcing), as some people actually quite enjoy the Cooz (myself included), the issue is the classlessness with which CSN handled the situation.  Not surprising to me that Comquest would do such a thing.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: guava_wrench on October 14, 2008, 05:39:24 PM
You can sit here and try to say only "diehards" will miss Cousy, and maybe you are right.  But before this year, the Celtics were a profitable franchise despite consistently landing the the NBA's basement.  That's because of diehard fans.

Go ask Miami how much money they make since they were a team devoted to casual fans.

Die hards keep teams, and the businesses like CSN that survive off them, strong in the lean times.  And the lean times are inevitable.  It's like they say in politics, you can bring in new votes but never alienate your "base".  Those are the ones you have to depend on.

CSN, forget my personal feelings on this.  It was a bad business decision.  Suckers.

Sorry, you don't speak for all diehards. I am just as diehard as you, and I consider him not broadcasting an improvement.

Good business decision.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: greg_kite on October 14, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
I feel bad that Cousy's feelings were hurt, but frankly, I am glad he wont be on anymore.  Putting aside the sentimental aspects, he was awful.  flat out awful.  he spoke like he had marbles in his mouth, and more importantly, he just didnt have enough knowledge of the team.  Its the same crap when you get the game on one of the other networks and the sportscasters see the team 2-3 times a year.  they just dont know the players and end up talking about skills players dont have and end up sounding like idiots. 

I'd rather have a sportscaster who is knowledgeable and can keep up with the team and actually offer insight rather then just a sentimental pick to get up there and talk about garbage.

Agreed 110%...VERY well said...I've been saying this for years, and people freak out for no reason...Honestly, he was an awful announcer. Period. Nothing against his legendary play or personality, but as an announcer, he was just terrible.

Regardless of whether or not you like his announcing or not (sure, it's not the traditional "mainstream" poopoo voice type of announcing), as some people actually quite enjoy the Cooz (myself included), the issue is the classlessness with which CSN handled the situation.  Not surprising to me that Comquest would do such a thing.
How were they classless if he's the one that went public with it?  I love Cooz and didn't mind his announcing, but I thought he was the one that brought this out to the public.

Why can't they just not hire someone if they don't think he's worth the money?  I think he said he was getting paid 50K per year.  That's $5,000 per game!!!  No wonder he's mad!  I would be too.  I think he's coming off as a bitter guy who think's he's worth more than he really is.  I'm a die hard and I won't miss his announcing at all.  If Tommy or Gorman left I would be sad.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: boscel33 on October 14, 2008, 06:45:33 PM
Dear Daniel,
 
Thank you very much for taking the time to call us about Bob Cousy.  Many of us at Comcast SportsNet New England, including myself, are native New Englanders and we understand the importance of the team’s history in the hearts of fans across the region.
We have been honored to have Bob join Celtic legend Tommy Heinsohn and Dorchester native Mike Gorman on our broadcast team as the third man in the booth for ten games during each of the past nine seasons. 

For this upcoming season, we have made several changes and have opted to go with a two-man booth.  For personal reasons, Tommy will not do road games.  Donny Marshall, who last season proved himself to be a terrific addition to our on-air team, will fill Tommy’s shoes for road games.

We share your sentiment that Bob Cousy is a classic and important part of the Celtics’ history.  As such, we have offered to work with him to find other roles within our network.  Unfortunately, he has chosen not to accept that offer.

Respecting the Celtics tradition is extremely important to us. We have been the proud home of the Celtics for the past 28 years and it is the passion of fans like yourself that makes every one of our telecasts a privilege.

With another potential championship season on tap, I hope you will join Tommy, Mike, Donny and the entire Comcast SportsNet team in closely following the new season.

Sincerely,
Skip Perham
Comcast SportsNet

I don't know if anyone else got a letter back. I personally like Donny Marshall but I would rather someone with a Celtics connection. Again I would nominate JoJo White to replace Tommy

 You know, as much as I would like to see Couz and Tommy stay, it could also be a great time to make a change. I love listening to Donny but would like to see it taken further and add Rusillo to the booth. Maybe ComCast could go with a home/away team. The home team could be Gorman/Heinson and the away team Rusillo and Marshall. Couz keeps his ten games at home.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: BrickJames on October 14, 2008, 07:08:59 PM
Why can't they just not hire someone if they don't think he's worth the money?  I think he said he was getting paid 50K per year.  That's $5,000 per game!!!  No wonder he's mad!  I would be too.  I think he's coming off as a bitter guy who think's he's worth more than he really is.  I'm a die hard and I won't miss his announcing at all.  If Tommy or Gorman left I would be sad.

Comquest had to go public before people starting asking, "Where's the Cooz?" and they'd be forced to respond, "Oh we fired him as part of our Pink-hat campaign"

For your second point...WOW!  Claiming he thinks he's "worth more than he is"?  Give me a break!  Do you realize how little Cousy made back in the day for being as incredibly good and revolutionary as he was?  He was almost single-handedly responsible for popularizing basketball in America!  This guy ought to be a multimillionaire!  A tremendously talented individual, unlike the (unnatural) athletic freaks of nature that "revolutionize" the game today.  He will be missed on the air by fans of the game of basketball.

Give me a break!
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: soap07 on October 14, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
He will be missed on the air by fans of the game of basketball.

I am a fan of the game of basketball and I won't miss him.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: yall hate on October 14, 2008, 07:38:50 PM
Why can't they just not hire someone if they don't think he's worth the money?  I think he said he was getting paid 50K per year.  That's $5,000 per game!!!  No wonder he's mad!  I would be too.  I think he's coming off as a bitter guy who think's he's worth more than he really is.  I'm a die hard and I won't miss his announcing at all.  If Tommy or Gorman left I would be sad.

Comquest had to go public before people starting asking, "Where's the Cooz?" and they'd be forced to respond, "Oh we fired him as part of our Pink-hat campaign"

For your second point...WOW!  Claiming he thinks he's "worth more than he is"?  Give me a break!  Do you realize how little Cousy made back in the day for being as incredibly good and revolutionary as he was?  He was almost single-handedly responsible for popularizing basketball in America!  This guy ought to be a multimillionaire!  A tremendously talented individual, unlike the (unnatural) athletic freaks of nature that "revolutionize" the game today.  He will be missed on the air by fans of the game of basketball.

Give me a break!

Why is it there fault that he didnt make a ton of money during his playing days?  if you want someone to rectify the situation, then call on the celtics of the nba to fix that, but dont blame a tv network for it. 

They made a business decision.  You dont know what their market research said regarding whether people enjoyed him or not.  You dont know what his 'demands' for this year were.  You dont know what the contract situations of the other broadcasters is.  Basically, all you know is that an old man (yes he was a fantastic basketball player) who was a pretty crappy announcer will no longer represent a team that he did wonderful things for.  Thats it.  you and others will miss him.  many others will not. 
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: eternal optimist on October 14, 2008, 08:04:49 PM
I also am saddened by Comcasts firing of Bob Cousy.  To try and put it in perspective, listening to the old timers is like talking with your grandfather.  It doesn't so much matter what your grandfather says or how he says it, it is just nice to be able to hear him, knowing that all too soon he will no longer be around.  The Celtic greats such as Cousy and Heinsohn were responsible for making many of us life long fans.  For that reason alone they deserve to retire on their own terms.  Yes, Comcast has the right to employ who ever they want, but they could have handled this situation much better.  I wonder how long it will be before Tommy Heinsohn will be the next victim.  My hope is that he will be allowed to retire when he choses.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Andy Jick on October 14, 2008, 08:07:03 PM
Cooz was right there for this team while they sucked for 20 years...now that they've found success it's as if they're too good for him.  i think it's a shame...he's a legend - let him walk away on his own terms.
Title: Re: CSN's Response to Cousy
Post by: Schupac on October 14, 2008, 08:09:52 PM
You can sit here and try to say only "diehards" will miss Cousy, and maybe you are right.  But before this year, the Celtics were a profitable franchise despite consistently landing the the NBA's basement.  That's because of diehard fans.

Go ask Miami how much money they make since they were a team devoted to casual fans.

Die hards keep teams, and the businesses like CSN that survive off them, strong in the lean times.  And the lean times are inevitable.  It's like they say in politics, you can bring in new votes but never alienate your "base".  Those are the ones you have to depend on.

CSN, forget my personal feelings on this.  It was a bad business decision.  Suckers.



Haha, are you going to stop watching the games on TV because of this?  If so, thats kind of pathetic...

Haha, did you completely miss the point of my post?  I said die-hard fans will stay through whatever.  But it sure makes me alot less likely to watch any other CSN coverage.



guava_wrench  -  OK, fair enough.  You're one of those die-hards that doesn't like Bob Cousy.  Gotcha.

Forget this... I'm going to go watch some guy shoot t-shirts out of a cannon for half an hour.