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Title: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 20, 2018, 03:26:50 PM
 :D

Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: PhoSita on November 20, 2018, 03:44:07 PM
Premature
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: ozgod on November 21, 2018, 03:26:48 AM
This poll will show how many of us here are short term focused  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: gouki88 on November 21, 2018, 04:10:27 AM
The only guy I want gone is Rozier. Think we have the first rounders to replace his very little current production, and I can see him leaving for money.

Only other one is Bird, but that’s a separate issue entirely.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Androslav on November 21, 2018, 07:48:08 AM
Noone needs to go.
Some can go if an opportunity presents itself.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Big333223 on November 21, 2018, 10:22:38 AM
Noone needs to go.
Some can go if an opportunity presents itself.

Yeah. This team has plenty of talent and I think a shifting of roles can put them on track to be a juggernaut. But they have to figure this thing out.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2018, 10:33:25 AM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: slamtheking on November 21, 2018, 10:41:56 AM
Jabari Bird but other than that, everyone else should be kept through the season to see if they can pull it together for the playoffs (which I anticipate they will)
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 21, 2018, 11:00:41 AM
go? go where? go home for the holiday? well, if that is the case, they should ALL go home and see their families and overeat. sure, maybe their families have some problems and are not fully functional, but it is a family holiday, right?

sure, maybe their dad gets drunk at thanksgiving and then starts talking about how ****ty his family has turned out.

and maybe their mom breaks down into tears since her sister isn't coming because the two of them haven't spoken in 12 years because the sister "stole" her jewelry, even though the sister swears it was hers and that is the way their mother wanted it to be, so your mother should just shut up!

or maybe their brother-in-law will, as he always does, show up late and stoned and proceed to drink himself stupid while spilling his food and being obnoxious....as usual.

or maybe their wife can't stand his family and they each will snipe back and forth at one another, and the wife will **** at him during the trip home about how much HIS family disrespects her and she is doing him a favor to come all and listen to his loser relatives...again.

or maybe their parents don't subscribe to cable since there are so many dirty movies out there plus hackers who might steal all their money, so there will GUARANTEED be no TV to watch and everyone there will be sure to bring this up ... out of the hearing of the parents...except the stoned brother-in-law who will make a scene about it all...once more.

or maybe they will AGAIN be faced with the brother's girlfriend/drama queen who will bring along vegan crap along with lumpy mashed potatoes (what is with her that she can't learn to take out the lumps??!) and they will all have to sit through lectures on the evils of eating turkey and how from the turkey perspective this is not a day for giving thanks but REALLY nothing more than a TURKEY HOLOCAUST and they should reflect on this more carefully.

yep, they should all go home and enjoy a wonderful, traditional thanksgiving like the rest of us.

 ;D

Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 21, 2018, 11:12:20 AM
go? go where? go home for the holiday?

it is expressed clearly in the poll question: In your opinion, which players need to go (trade, waivers, etc.)? (pick up to 15)

This was a somewhat tongue in cheek confidence meter type poll aka what players are you most frustrated with. It's peak negativity on CB atm until the next winning streak. So far ~50% think everyone should stay.  ;)

I picked Morris and Rozier because I doubt they'll be staying beyond this year. Might as well try to acquire someone useful with an additional year or two of team control. Then, I picked Wanamaker and Yabusele because not a believer. Lastly, I picked Other because the Bird situation is like a dark cloud that lingers above.

I actually think the team will make the NBA finals.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 21, 2018, 12:01:29 PM
go? go where? go home for the holiday?

it is expressed clearly in the poll question: In your opinion, which players need to go (trade, waivers, etc.)? (pick up to 15)

This was a somewhat tongue in cheek confidence meter type poll aka what players are you most frustrated with. It's peak negativity on CB atm until the next winning streak. So far ~50% think everyone should stay.  ;)

I picked Morris and Rozier because I doubt they'll be staying beyond this year. Might as well try to acquire someone useful with an additional year or two of team control. Then, I picked Wanamaker and Yabusele because not a believer. Lastly, I picked Other because the Bird situation is like a dark cloud that lingers above.

I actually think the team will make the NBA finals.
"it was clearly expressed" in my reply that i was being humorous.  ;)
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 21, 2018, 12:13:32 PM
go? go where? go home for the holiday?

it is expressed clearly in the poll question: In your opinion, which players need to go (trade, waivers, etc.)? (pick up to 15)

This was a somewhat tongue in cheek confidence meter type poll aka what players are you most frustrated with. It's peak negativity on CB atm until the next winning streak. So far ~50% think everyone should stay.  ;)

I picked Morris and Rozier because I doubt they'll be staying beyond this year. Might as well try to acquire someone useful with an additional year or two of team control. Then, I picked Wanamaker and Yabusele because not a believer. Lastly, I picked Other because the Bird situation is like a dark cloud that lingers above.

I actually think the team will make the NBA finals.
"it was clearly expressed" in my reply that i was being humorous.  ;)

Never crossed my mind lol
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Vermont Green on November 21, 2018, 12:23:56 PM
This seems like a silly way to pose the question.  The bottom line is what do we need to add, not what do we need to subtract.  In order to add, we will likely need to subtract but you don't approach it by thinking about the subtract first. 
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 21, 2018, 12:49:15 PM
This seems like a silly way to pose the question.  The bottom line is what do we need to add, not what do we need to subtract.  In order to add, we will likely need to subtract but you don't approach it by thinking about the subtract first.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: mef730 on November 21, 2018, 01:06:13 PM
go? go where? go home for the holiday? well, if that is the case, they should ALL go home and see their families and overeat. sure, maybe their families have some problems and are not fully functional, but it is a family holiday, right?...

And, the grand prize winner in the "he's got issues that can't be solved on the internet" contest is...

;D

Mike
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: td450 on November 21, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias

I chose Kyrie.

He is a cold stone killer of a scorer, and below average at everything else. No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

I thought his situation with LeBron was perfect for him. LeBron let him be what he was, and he did all the difficult stuff to make it work.

What makes this team special is that it has Al Horford and 4 really good two way wings. We would be better off with a pass first point guard who can defend and make open shots, even if they weren't as good as Kyrie.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: droopdog7 on November 21, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias

I chose Kyrie.

He is a cold stone killer of a scorer, and below average at everything else. No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

I thought his situation with LeBron was perfect for him. LeBron let him be what he was, and he did all the difficult stuff to make it work.

What makes this team special is that it has Al Horford and 4 really good two way wings. We would be better off with a pass first point guard who can defend and make open shots, even if they weren't as good as Kyrie.
I assume you're basing this on data?  The bigger question is how well the team performs with Kyrie versus without.

Unless, of course, you're not basing this on data.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: SparzWizard on November 21, 2018, 02:18:32 PM
Rozier and Yabusele for me so far.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: hpantazo on November 21, 2018, 03:34:51 PM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias

I chose Kyrie.

He is a cold stone killer of a scorer, and below average at everything else. No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

I thought his situation with LeBron was perfect for him. LeBron let him be what he was, and he did all the difficult stuff to make it work.

What makes this team special is that it has Al Horford and 4 really good two way wings. We would be better off with a pass first point guard who can defend and make open shots, even if they weren't as good as Kyrie.
I assume you're basing this on data?  The bigger question is how well the team performs with Kyrie versus without.

Unless, of course, you're not basing this on data.

Yeah, I guess we go with 'blinded by personal bias' on this one.

Kyrie is playing great defense this season, and creating shots for everyone in addition to being an elite scorer. He's been doing everything at a high level, he's the only reason our record is not in the bottom quarter of the league right now.

He also bailed Lebron out in the playoffs many times. Without him Lebron gets no rings in Cleveland.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: PhoSita on November 21, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

This seems like one of those statements that is more of a "Feel Fact" than anything you've spent any kind of time researching.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
Yup some need to hit the road

too little return for the money spent.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 21, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
Rozier and Yabusele for me so far.

on my list too.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: gouki88 on November 21, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias

I chose Kyrie.

He is a cold stone killer of a scorer, and below average at everything else. No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

I thought his situation with LeBron was perfect for him. LeBron let him be what he was, and he did all the difficult stuff to make it work.

What makes this team special is that it has Al Horford and 4 really good two way wings. We would be better off with a pass first point guard who can defend and make open shots, even if they weren't as good as Kyrie.
Lol. This is a really weird take. By weird I mean very disagreeable
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: td450 on November 21, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
whoever chose Kyrie doesn't know much about basketball or is blinded by personal bias

I chose Kyrie.

He is a cold stone killer of a scorer, and below average at everything else. No one, and I mean no one, plays as well with him as without him.

I thought his situation with LeBron was perfect for him. LeBron let him be what he was, and he did all the difficult stuff to make it work.

What makes this team special is that it has Al Horford and 4 really good two way wings. We would be better off with a pass first point guard who can defend and make open shots, even if they weren't as good as Kyrie.
Lol. This is a really weird take. By weird I mean very disagreeable
Well, since several posters have taken the time to disagree, I guess you must be right. But it isn't weird. The other starters are not playing very well. We are running less, the offensive flow has slowed down, and the shot quality is down. We aren't as good a team, and the problems are predominantly with the offense.

It certainly isn't all his fault, but he is the point guard. He handles the ball more than anyone else, and these things are happening.

Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 21, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
I voted Keep everyone.
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Post by: Big333223 on November 24, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
All the Yabu votes are a little perplexing to me. I voted keep everyone but even if I was inclined to think someone has to go, I don't understand how trading someone who only plays garbage time is going to help the team.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 14, 2018, 02:45:25 PM
Should the consensus now be no one except Bird given the winning streak?  :P

Maybe Rozier's potential offers are being overestimated? 

Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 14, 2018, 02:49:14 PM
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All the Yabu votes are a little perplexing to me. I voted keep everyone but even if I was inclined to think someone has to go, I don't understand how trading someone who only plays garbage time is going to help the team.

Because you could in theory replace him with someone useful that would play more.
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Post by: Roy H. on December 14, 2018, 03:56:48 PM
Just Jabari Bird.
Title: Re: Poll: Which Celtics players need to go?
Post by: Big333223 on December 15, 2018, 02:02:52 PM
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All the Yabu votes are a little perplexing to me. I voted keep everyone but even if I was inclined to think someone has to go, I don't understand how trading someone who only plays garbage time is going to help the team.

Because you could in theory replace him with someone useful that would play more.

What player are the Celtics going to just add that's so good he's going to warrant minutes over the current rotation?