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Shelden v. Scal
« on: December 09, 2009, 08:32:31 AM »

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What's with Scal getting so much playing time?  I know Shelden has come back down to earth a bit, but I still think he's more effective than Scal.  When we had Powe and Baby, Scal hardly ever saw the floor unless KG was hurt.  Now we have Shelden and Sheed and Scal gets playing time.  Scal sucks and I don't get it.  I know Shelden did play, but shouldn't he be getting all of Scal's minutes?

Scal keeps trying to drive instead of just shooting or passing the ball and he gets called for travel.  Why is he driving?  That's not his game.  Don't get me wrong, I like Scal, but I like him more when he's on the bench.

Can't wait for Baby to return. 
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What's with Scal getting so much playing time?  I know Shelden has come back down to earth a bit, but I still think he's more effective than Scal.  When we had Powe and Baby, Scal hardly ever saw the floor unless KG was hurt.  Now we have Shelden and Sheed and Scal gets playing time.  Scal sucks and I don't get it.  I know Shelden did play, but shouldn't he be getting all of Scal's minutes?

Scal keeps trying to drive instead of just shooting or passing the ball and he gets called for travel.  Why is he driving?  That's not his game.  Don't get me wrong, I like Scal, but I like him more when he's on the bench.

Can't wait for Baby to return. 
Doc's playing matchups.  I don't agree with Doc that Scal has been a better matchup than williams would have been.  Scal's man is still scoring/offensive rebounding.  Williams would at least prevent the offensive rebounding if not reduce the scoring as well.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 09:12:35 AM »

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I know Doc's playing matchups, but it doesn't seem like Scal is even effective in those matchups. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 09:18:59 AM »

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i'm sticking up for scal  :-\
he has a more rounded game, if we need a banger low post rebounder etc its sheldon hands down no comparison
scal can hit the 3, passes nicely and plays good team defense (really)
not sure why he is getting THIS much pt but i can see in certain situations him being pf

how about rebounding and keeping our bigs on the block when bucks showed they cannot guard down low?

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 09:19:34 AM »

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I know Doc's playing matchups, but it doesn't seem like Scal is even effective in those matchups. 

Yep... I understood the "matchup choice" early in the game last night but seriously, with the way Scal was killing us on both ends, I don't understand why Doc didn't even put Shelden in the game for 2 minutes!

I hope we see more of Shelden in the next games. Sure, he has big troubles to catch the ball under the basket but he plays better D than Scal and rebounds way better.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 10:14:13 AM »

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because by mistake i ended up watching the game with them talking.


....quote " Scal is playing great, hes all over the place, and there he is disturbing another pass"


I think the big part is basically what put Scal over Shelden in Docs mind.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 10:31:48 AM »

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What's with Scal getting so much playing time?  I know Shelden has come back down to earth a bit, but I still think he's more effective than Scal.  When we had Powe and Baby, Scal hardly ever saw the floor unless KG was hurt.  Now we have Shelden and Sheed and Scal gets playing time.  Scal sucks and I don't get it.  I know Shelden did play, but shouldn't he be getting all of Scal's minutes?

Scal keeps trying to drive instead of just shooting or passing the ball and he gets called for travel.  Why is he driving?  That's not his game.  Don't get me wrong, I like Scal, but I like him more when he's on the bench.

Can't wait for Baby to return. 
Doc's playing matchups.  I don't agree with Doc that Scal has been a better matchup than williams would have been.  Scal's man is still scoring/offensive rebounding.  Williams would at least prevent the offensive rebounding if not reduce the scoring as well.

It has been matchups, and I completely agree with Doc's choices.  When teams are playing guys like Ilyasova and Matt Bonner at PF, Shelden does not stand a chance to stay with them, which would likely allow them to start raining 3's. 

I also think there is a little more to it though.  I think Williams has plateaued a bit lately, and teams have adjusted to him more, making him less effective.  Mostly though, I think he is still making mistakes on defense, and especially on offense, that he was making earlier in the year, and now that Scal is healthy, Doc does not need to play Williams as much.

Let's be honest here, despite the nice numbers he put up early in the season, Williams is who he is.  He is a very good rebounder, but incredibly limited on offense, and is a questionable defender. 

I think one of Williams' biggest struggles in the NBA has been trying to change from a big man who could stand in the middle and block shots to an undersized guy who can't really block many shots any more, and needs to rely on proper positioning to play defense.  Powe had this same problem defensively, which is why it took him so long to get into the rotation.  Davis on the other hand always had to rely on positioning, since he didn't play above the rim in college either...this made it a much quicker transition for him.

Ultimately, I think we are seeing the beginning of the transition of Williams from 9th man to about 11th man.  He will still see the floor in certain matchups, and will be valuable when there are injuries or foul trouble, but ultimately, he is not a rotation quality player on this team.

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 10:47:52 AM »

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What's with Scal getting so much playing time?  I know Shelden has come back down to earth a bit, but I still think he's more effective than Scal.  When we had Powe and Baby, Scal hardly ever saw the floor unless KG was hurt.  Now we have Shelden and Sheed and Scal gets playing time.  Scal sucks and I don't get it.  I know Shelden did play, but shouldn't he be getting all of Scal's minutes?

Scal keeps trying to drive instead of just shooting or passing the ball and he gets called for travel.  Why is he driving?  That's not his game.  Don't get me wrong, I like Scal, but I like him more when he's on the bench.

Can't wait for Baby to return. 
Doc's playing matchups.  I don't agree with Doc that Scal has been a better matchup than williams would have been.  Scal's man is still scoring/offensive rebounding.  Williams would at least prevent the offensive rebounding if not reduce the scoring as well.

It has been matchups, and I completely agree with Doc's choices.  When teams are playing guys like Ilyasova and Matt Bonner at PF, Shelden does not stand a chance to stay with them, which would likely allow them to start raining 3's. 

I also think there is a little more to it though.  I think Williams has plateaued a bit lately, and teams have adjusted to him more, making him less effective.  Mostly though, I think he is still making mistakes on defense, and especially on offense, that he was making earlier in the year, and now that Scal is healthy, Doc does not need to play Williams as much.

Let's be honest here, despite the nice numbers he put up early in the season, Williams is who he is.  He is a very good rebounder, but incredibly limited on offense, and is a questionable defender. 

I think one of Williams' biggest struggles in the NBA has been trying to change from a big man who could stand in the middle and block shots to an undersized guy who can't really block many shots any more, and needs to rely on proper positioning to play defense.  Powe had this same problem defensively, which is why it took him so long to get into the rotation.  Davis on the other hand always had to rely on positioning, since he didn't play above the rim in college either...this made it a much quicker transition for him.

Ultimately, I think we are seeing the beginning of the transition of Williams from 9th man to about 11th man.  He will still see the floor in certain matchups, and will be valuable when there are injuries or foul trouble, but ultimately, he is not a rotation quality player on this team.

What!  What happened to the "we have Shelden now so let's trade Big Baby" crowd? ::)
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 10:50:36 AM »

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What's with Scal getting so much playing time?  I know Shelden has come back down to earth a bit, but I still think he's more effective than Scal.  When we had Powe and Baby, Scal hardly ever saw the floor unless KG was hurt.  Now we have Shelden and Sheed and Scal gets playing time.  Scal sucks and I don't get it.  I know Shelden did play, but shouldn't he be getting all of Scal's minutes?

Scal keeps trying to drive instead of just shooting or passing the ball and he gets called for travel.  Why is he driving?  That's not his game.  Don't get me wrong, I like Scal, but I like him more when he's on the bench.

Can't wait for Baby to return. 
Doc's playing matchups.  I don't agree with Doc that Scal has been a better matchup than williams would have been.  Scal's man is still scoring/offensive rebounding.  Williams would at least prevent the offensive rebounding if not reduce the scoring as well.

It has been matchups, and I completely agree with Doc's choices.  When teams are playing guys like Ilyasova and Matt Bonner at PF, Shelden does not stand a chance to stay with them, which would likely allow them to start raining 3's. 

I also think there is a little more to it though.  I think Williams has plateaued a bit lately, and teams have adjusted to him more, making him less effective.  Mostly though, I think he is still making mistakes on defense, and especially on offense, that he was making earlier in the year, and now that Scal is healthy, Doc does not need to play Williams as much.

Let's be honest here, despite the nice numbers he put up early in the season, Williams is who he is.  He is a very good rebounder, but incredibly limited on offense, and is a questionable defender. 

I think one of Williams' biggest struggles in the NBA has been trying to change from a big man who could stand in the middle and block shots to an undersized guy who can't really block many shots any more, and needs to rely on proper positioning to play defense.  Powe had this same problem defensively, which is why it took him so long to get into the rotation.  Davis on the other hand always had to rely on positioning, since he didn't play above the rim in college either...this made it a much quicker transition for him.

Ultimately, I think we are seeing the beginning of the transition of Williams from 9th man to about 11th man.  He will still see the floor in certain matchups, and will be valuable when there are injuries or foul trouble, but ultimately, he is not a rotation quality player on this team.

What!  What happened to the "we have Shelden now so let's trade Big Baby" crowd? ::)

Well, I am sure they are still here, but while I was pleasantly surprised by Williams' performance (I expected very little), I have always felt Davis was a superior player.

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 10:53:57 AM »

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Yep... I understood the "matchup choice" early in the game last night but seriously, with the way Scal was killing us on both ends, I don't understand why Doc didn't even put Shelden in the game for 2 minutes!

Scal missed a couple shots, but he played excellent defense last night.

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 11:08:44 AM »

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i'd put scal over big baby..any player who can get mad enuff to smash his hand and cant play for months is not dependable....whats next for baby...get mad and kick a brick wall and break his foot? .scal shows up for work and plays hard..

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Yep... I understood the "matchup choice" early in the game last night but seriously, with the way Scal was killing us on both ends, I don't understand why Doc didn't even put Shelden in the game for 2 minutes!

Scal missed a couple shots, but he played excellent defense last night.

I sometimes think that Scal is the only Celtic who remembers the energy it took in 2007-8 to play great defense.   He sparked the D last night for a stretch.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 11:34:16 AM »

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i'd put scal over big baby..any player who can get mad enuff to smash his hand and cant play for months is not dependable....whats next for baby...get mad and kick a brick wall and break his foot? .scal shows up for work and plays hard..

LOL.  Sorry, I don't care what Baby did, Scal sucks.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 11:39:01 AM »

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Scal's defense is like Giddens defense. Runs around, looks active but gets burned a lot. Sure he can play a good game here and there but overall he isn't very good.

C's always seem to be responding to other teams match ups not forcing the other team to match up with them. Saw it when the Bucks went to 2 point guards. In comes Eddie. Ray was rested at the time. Punish them for going with 2 points.

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 11:42:46 AM »

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Scal's defense is like Giddens defense. Runs around, looks active but gets burned a lot. Sure he can play a good game here and there but overall he isn't very good.


I disagree with this completely.  The big difference is that Scal is almost always in the right position.  Giddens has a lot of energy, and can annoy guys one on one (just like Tony), but he always misses rotations.  Scal almost never misses rotations.