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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: vjcsmoke on June 13, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
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IMHO you barely move into the top 10 with this offer
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The thing is, if bamba drops to 9, the 9th pick becomes much harder to get.
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Not close. Sorry, not even remotely close enough to interest them. They wouldn't just hang up the phone, they'd tear it off the wall and burn down the room.
Rozier is good but, at best, a mid-tier point guard as a starter. The Clipper pick is protected for the lottery.
The minimum we would have to offer would be Rozier, Sac pick and probably Memphis.
Mike
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Teams would be crazy to pass on someone with such tantalising physical attributes.
I also saw Doncic falling to Memphis at #4 in a recent mock. That would be stupid for those 3 teams, AND it would suck for us
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I do like the idea of drafting Melton at 27, though.
Mike
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The thing is, if bamba drops to 9, the 9th pick becomes much harder to get.
If Bamba falls to 9, the pick will be easier to get than if he's in the top 5.
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Zhaire Smith is a for-real prospect. He has a good feel for the game and Westbrook-esque athleticism. I'm not surprised at all that he is rising. I would not be surprised if he is the first guard taken (after Doncic). I'd take him before Sexton, SGA, or Young.
The problem is that he is probably not a primary ball-handler at the next level. In the modern NBA, if he doesn't have that skill, that makes him a high-upside 3-D prospect.
My comparison has been an Oladipo-lite or a Lee-strong. If he can develop his handles and shot creation, he has a chance to be an All-star. Otherwise, he will be a very high level two-way rotation player.
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Never mind, dupe.
Mike
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Not close. Sorry, not even remotely close enough to interest them. They wouldn't just hang up the phone, they'd tear it off the wall and burn down the room.
Rozier is good but, at best, a mid-tier point guard as a starter. The Clipper pick is protected for the lottery.
The minimum we would have to offer would be Rozier, Sac pick and probably Memphis.
Mike
I disagree. Rozier is absolutely worth the 13th pick as a PG ranked in the 13-15 range. You are not guaranteed that the 13th pick in a draft will be any more then a rotation player let alone a starter and top 15 PG. IMO he's worth more. Will the C's get true value, No but I would not trade him to trade him.
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Clippers pick is almost worthless - lottery protected next two years (and I think they're a lottery team), and becomes a 2022 second rounder if it doesn't convey by 2020.
To move to #6 or #7, it's going to take #27, the Sacramento and Clippers picks plus Rozier and that might not even get it done. Might need to include the Memphis pick too.
And for what it's worth (not much), I would not trade up.
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Clippers pick is almost worthless - lottery protected next two years (and I think they're a lottery team), and becomes a 2022 second rounder if it doesn't convey by 2020.
To move to #6 or #7, it's going to take #27, the Sacramento and Clippers picks plus Rozier and that might not even get it done. Might need to include the Memphis pick too.
And for what it's worth (not much), I would not trade up.
Man Ainge isn't stupid
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Not close. Sorry, not even remotely close enough to interest them. They wouldn't just hang up the phone, they'd tear it off the wall and burn down the room.
Rozier is good but, at best, a mid-tier point guard as a starter. The Clipper pick is protected for the lottery.
The minimum we would have to offer would be Rozier, Sac pick and probably Memphis.
Mike
I disagree. Rozier is absolutely worth the 13th pick as a PG ranked in the 13-15 range. You are not guaranteed that the 13th pick in a draft will be any more then a rotation player let alone a starter and top 15 PG. IMO he's worth more. Will the C's get true value, No but I would not trade him to trade him.
So let's assume that Rozier is worth the 13th pick. The Celtics are trading 13, 27 and, at best, a lottery-protected first for #6 or 7? No way the Magic or Bulls do it.
Mike
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The problem with valuing our Sac pick in a trade is the 1 protection. If it falls 1, or outside top 10, may have to add another pick.
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The problem with valuing our Sac pick in a trade is the 1 protection. If it falls 1, or outside top 10, may have to add another pick.
It it falls to one you get the Sixers pick, yes?
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The problem with valuing our Sac pick in a trade is the 1 protection. If it falls 1, or outside top 10, may have to add another pick.
It it falls to one you get the Sixers pick, yes?
100% correct.
Mike
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According to the latest CBS mock, they have Bamba going at #9 to the Knicks:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2018-nba-mock-draft-bamba-falls-to-knicks-sexton-and-young-battle-for-top-pg-in-latest-projection/
Rise of Zhaire Smith leads to Bamba slipping in rankings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-big-board-mock-prospects-rankings-projections-mo-bamba-zhaire-smith/1mfvyadnfa5wa1muta9jfehh6j
If this happens, Bamba becomes totally gettable as both the Orlando Magic and the Chicago Bulls are looking for point guards.
What if we offered Rozier, the Clippers 1st round pick, and the #27, would that be enough to move up to 6 or 7?
If you were in Danny Ainge's shoes, would you move up for Bamba if he slipped?
Clippers pick is almost worthless - lottery protected next two years (and I think they're a lottery team), and becomes a 2022 second rounder if it doesn't convey by 2020.
To move to #6 or #7, it's going to take #27, the Sacramento and Clippers picks plus Rozier and that might not even get it done. Might need to include the Memphis pick too.
And for what it's worth (not much), I would not trade up.
Man Ainge isn't stupid
Are you sure? He offered four first rounders for Justise Winslow. You're right, he's not stupid but neither are other GMs and these draft picks aren't nearly as valuable as the majority of people think.
#6 and #7 are known value, and if we're moving up for a specific player we know is available, they become even more valuable.
Our picks are full of uncertainty and therefore less valuable. Clippers pick could be a second rounder four years from now. Decent chance the Sacramento pick could end up being the 76ers pick in the 20s. Maybe next years draft class will be top heavy or weak. So many variables.
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Can understand why Bamba is falling. Andre Drummond fell in his draft too. Defensive bigs that have the likelihood to be offensively limited will fall in the draft. They just aren't as valuable in today's NBA.
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Mo Bamba will be the best big man in this draft in 5 years. I will make a thread explaining why later.
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I looooooove Bamba. But nope, you don't give up both Rozier and the Sac pick for him. The Kings suck and there's just as good a chance they pick #2 again next year as anything else.
A year from now, a # 2 pick plus established young Celtic stud/s plus other pick/s starts to look better and better to the Pelicans...who will be a year further into their lose-him-for-nothing panic.
Worst case the Celtics don't land Bamba and get Philly's pick next year, but at least still have Rozier for next year's championship run.
Okay though, others have mentioned a contingency plan if Rozier is lost through trade....I'd like to know that plan and then maybe I'd give up the Sac pick too.... example: does Ainge think that a guy like Brunson can replace Rozier behind Kyrie next year?
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I'd trade Rozier and the Sac pick for Bamba or Carter. We don't know where the Sac pick will land. We are set at point guard and wings. I'd like a young big and this is the year to get one.
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I'd trade Rozier and the Sac pick for Bamba or Carter. We don't know where the Sac pick will land. We are set at point guard and wings. I'd like a young big and this is the year to get one.
I agree. And while we can always count on Sacramento to suck, I'm not sure where their suckitude will get them next year, given the "quality" of the competition at the bottom.
Mike
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I’d do the Sac pick and Rozier for him. I just do t know enough about the 2019 draft class to be that comfortable passing on a guy like Bamba. We could get the #2 pick or #26. Or maybe #10. If Ainge thinks he’s going to move/lose Rozier within the next year, I wouldn’t think twice about this.
He would replace Baynes.
Resign Smart and Larkin.
Irving/Larkin
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Morris
Tatum/Theis
Horford/Bamba
Use #27 to draft BPA.
And we’d still have the (taxpayer) MLE to bring in a scoring guard off the bench.
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I'd trade Rozier and the Sac pick for Bamba or Carter. We don't know where the Sac pick will land. We are set at point guard and wings. I'd like a young big and this is the year to get one.
I agree. And while we can always count on Sacramento to suck, I'm not sure where their suckitude will get them next year, given the "quality" of the competition at the bottom.
Mike
I’m not sure where I stand on Bamba, but to secure Carter Jr or Jackson Jr I’d include the Clips pick. I think Carter Jr, a guard at 27, Smart and a vet min but solid FA PG would replace Roziers production just fine as long as Kyrie doesn’t get hurt.
But if Kyrie gets hurt, I don’t think it matters if we have Rozier or not if/when we make it to GS.
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Mo Bamba will be the best big man in this draft in 5 years. I will make a thread explaining why later.
Please do :).
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I'd trade Rozier and the Sac pick for Bamba or Carter. We don't know where the Sac pick will land. We are set at point guard and wings. I'd like a young big and this is the year to get one.
I agree. And while we can always count on Sacramento to suck, I'm not sure where their suckitude will get them next year, given the "quality" of the competition at the bottom.
Mike
I’m not sure where I stand on Bamba, but to secure Carter Jr or Jackson Jr I’d include the Clips pick. I think Carter Jr, a guard at 27, Smart and a vet min but solid FA PG would replace Roziers production just fine as long as Kyrie doesn’t get hurt.
But if Kyrie gets hurt, I don’t think it matters if we have Rozier or not if/when we make it to GS.
TP. My thoughts exactly. Plus with Hayward back, Brown will get a lot of minutes at shooting guard lessening the need for Rozier if we still have Smart.
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The only 2 teams I see as potential partners to trade up would be Chicago and New York. I think it would take Rozier, #27, and Sac pick for #7 or #9. Plus if Sacramento pick lands #1 then Chicago or New York would get the Philly pick plus the Memphis pick. And the only way they do that is if they're not in love with any prospect at #7 or #9, and they really believe in Rozier.
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I am sure he is dropping a little because folks are seeing the obvious, he needs to work on his strength and lower body a great deal.
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The only 2 teams I see as potential partners to trade up would be Chicago and New York. I think it would take Rozier, #27, and Sac pick for #7 or #9. Plus if Sacramento pick lands #1 then Chicago or New York would get the Philly pick plus the Memphis pick. And the only way they do that is if they're not in love with any prospect at #7 or #9, and they really believe in Rozier.
I think Orlando is absolutely a target if Trey Young is off the board.
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The only 2 teams I see as potential partners to trade up would be Chicago and New York. I think it would take Rozier, #27, and Sac pick for #7 or #9. Plus if Sacramento pick lands #1 then Chicago or New York would get the Philly pick plus the Memphis pick. And the only way they do that is if they're not in love with any prospect at #7 or #9, and they really believe in Rozier.
I think Orlando is absolutely a target if Trey Young is off the board.
Intentional pun?
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I think if anyone in this draft is going to slip its MPJ.
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Does Cleveland even pick up the phone when Danny's number comes up on caller ID?
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Does Cleveland even pick up the phone when Danny's number comes up on speed dial?
Lol, they've probably already blocked his number. And email address. And Twitter account. And Chipotle customer membership rewards (if there even is such a thing outside of Danny's custom card) ;D.
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The only 2 teams I see as potential partners to trade up would be Chicago and New York. I think it would take Rozier, #27, and Sac pick for #7 or #9. Plus if Sacramento pick lands #1 then Chicago or New York would get the Philly pick plus the Memphis pick. And the only way they do that is if they're not in love with any prospect at #7 or #9, and they really believe in Rozier.
I think Orlando is absolutely a target if Trey Young is off the board.
Trae Young most likely will be there. And Orlando probably won't pass on Jackson or MPJ for Rozier + future and/or late picks anyway. Maybe if Porter's back really is messed up, but I don't think it is.
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
Smart is restricted. He can't walk if we decide to match, which we would most likely do if we trade Rozier.
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
Smart is restricted. He can't walk if we decide to match, which we would most likely do if we trade Rozier.
This. The chances that there's a team out there willing to pay more for Smart than the Celtics is slim and that only becomes more true if he's the main backup pg.
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
Even if Smart walks, which I doubt considering the lack of teams with cap space, Jalen Brunson would be a prototypical backup PG. Brunson is probably going to go really late in the 1st rd/early 2nd rd, which is attainable by buying a pick from a team overloaded with draft picks (see Atlanta w/ 4 picks in the first 34).
Back to Brunson...great size (6'3"), amazing intangibles (team player, leader, effort, etc.), shooting (splits 52.1-80.2-40.8), and can run an offense. The reasons he'll slip is because he isn't considered very athletic, mediocre wingspan of 6'4", and he's an older rookie (turns 22 in August). I could see him having a Van-Fleet impact right out of the gates.
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The only 2 teams I see as potential partners to trade up would be Chicago and New York. I think it would take Rozier, #27, and Sac pick for #7 or #9. Plus if Sacramento pick lands #1 then Chicago or New York would get the Philly pick plus the Memphis pick. And the only way they do that is if they're not in love with any prospect at #7 or #9, and they really believe in Rozier.
I think Orlando is absolutely a target if Trey Young is off the board.
Trae Young most likely will be there. And Orlando probably won't pass on Jackson or MPJ for Rozier + future and/or late picks anyway. Maybe if Porter's back really is messed up, but I don't think it is.
Yeah, I like where your head is at salt. But in this draft, unless a strange Buddy Hield-Vivek Ranadive lovefest forms in the top 5 (and for the record I still like Hield), it seems unfathomable to me that any team in the top 5 would either 1) draft Young, or 2) trade the pick.
Of course, the draft has proven time and again that anything can happen. I was right in Nov about the Lakers pick not conveying, maybe things can balance out and I'm wrong here.
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Does Cleveland even pick up the phone when Danny's number comes up on caller ID?
I'd do it in a heartbeat. Let's say that Rozier is worth a late lottery pick, somewhere in the 12-14 range. You're trading a 12-14 and a late first-rounder to move up into the middle of the lottery. If the Clippers end up in the lottery again next year, that pick automatically becomes a 2nd rounder. Worst case scenario is a #12 (Rozier), #15 and #27 to get to #8 this year, and we already have at least two picks next year.
As to whether Cleveland picks up the phone, well, I hope that Danny masks his caller ID...
Mike
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
Even if Smart walks, which I doubt considering the lack of teams with cap space, Jalen Brunson would be a prototypical backup PG. Brunson is probably going to go really late in the 1st rd/early 2nd rd, which is attainable by buying a pick from a team overloaded with draft picks (see Atlanta w/ 4 picks in the first 34).
Back to Brunson...great size (6'3"), amazing intangibles (team player, leader, effort, etc.), shooting (splits 52.1-80.2-40.8), and can run an offense. The reasons he'll slip is because he isn't considered very athletic, mediocre wingspan of 6'4", and he's an older rookie (turns 22 in August). I could see him having a Van-Fleet impact right out of the gates.
Sounds like a good Ainge target, if we buy a 2nd round pick, but our 27th pick is too high to use on him, no?
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Rozier and #27 to Cleveland for #8? Throw in the Clippers pick if you really have to? Is Bamba worth it?
Whose the backup PG if you do this and Smart walks, zero forethought....
The team does not need to play a point guard that is a primary creator going forward. We need someone who can contain point guards and hopefully can handle switches on bigger players. On offense, they need to make their shots, but they don't need to be a traditional point.
Hayward is coming back and he's a better decision maker than Rozier or Smart. Tatum and Brown aren't so inexperienced any more either. We don't need another point to run the offense next year. Our wings can run the offense from here when Kyrie goes to the bench.
Rozier did great last year and is a good defender, but he got isolated a lot in the playoffs by great players, and it was a problem. Smart fits the bill on defense, but he is a terrible offensive player. We needed those two guys to be primary ball handlers when Kyrie was not on the court because we didn't have wings that were ready to run the offense.
I'm in favor of moving on from Smart and Rozier. We don't need to put a player on the floor any more that causes a compromise to our offense or our defense(with the exception of Kyrie, whose obviously worth it). Let's go get Jackson or Carter for the long run, and we can look for a bigger guard who is a good athlete as a role player to serve as a sub for Kyrie.
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Since ppl are talking about Bamba, here's a vid of Batum saying he should go first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=125&v=dZdrKSocEJA
I found it on /r/nba, post by Like_a_Charo