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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Monkhouse on December 07, 2017, 04:19:39 PM
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Assuming Danny didn't want to use the DPE, then we didn't have the salaries to match up without giving up a rotation guy.
That's still a heck of a deal for Brooklyn though.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Black hole on offense, no defense.
Danny still has DPE to get another big. With the way Theis and Baynes have contributed, a wing might make more sense.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Almost anyone could beat that offer. The issue is nobody else wanted him.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Black hole on offense, no defense.
Danny still has PIE to get another big. With the way Theis and Baynes have contributed, a wing might make more sense.
Let Jared Sullinger stay where he is
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Booker is solid. Good for Sixers
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Booker is solid, but it tells you how the 76ers literally shot Okafor's value down the drain, because they had to throw a second rounder in....
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Okafor stinks. We definitely could have beaten the offer, but why would we have wanted to?
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Nets now have two of the top 3 picks from the 2015 draft, in which they started with pick #29.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Okafor stinks. We definitely could have beaten the offer, but why would we have wanted to?
Exactly. If Danny had wanted Okafor it's clear he could've had him.
The funny thing is, now that he's on the Nets, I'm hoping I'm kind of wrong about Okafor and he has a nice season for them and helps them win some games. Or at least Stauskas does.
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Nets now have two of the top 3 picks from the 2015 draft, in which they started with pick #29.
I don't care what anyone says about Okafor... He still has plenty of potential left. This bodes well for us, especially since I hope it diminishes the value of the pick for the Cavs from the Nets, unless the Nets really needed Booker.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Good trade for Philly. Bokker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
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in a way, i hope this makes the Nets better :)
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Good for Philly. It’s telling that they had to attach a second rounder though.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Good trade for Philly. Bokker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
Nonsense. There’s nothing stopping the Nets from trading Okafor to the Celtics. Furthermore, the Celtics can offer more in free agency than the Nets.
See how easy that was to keep the (bizarre) dream alive for people?
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Okafor's value across the league was basically "we'll pay you to take him off our hands".
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Booker is an ok bench big, but how exactly is he going to be in the rotation. He isn't playing over Embiid, Simmons, Saric, or Holmes, so I don't get it.
I like Okafor, think he has potential, and Stauskas was strangely out of the rotation this year after playing pretty well for the Sixers last year, but that is still a terrible trade for the Sixers. Nets make out like bandits in this trade, just like they did in the Russell trade. It appears the Nets finally have people running things that know what they are doing.
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Booker is an ok bench big, but how exactly is he going to be in the rotation. He isn't playing over Embiid, Simmons, Saric, or Holmes, so I don't get it.
I like Okafor, think he has potential, and Stauskas was strangely out of the rotation this year after playing pretty well for the Sixers last year, but that is still a terrible trade for the Sixers. Nets make out like bandits in this trade, just like they did in the Russell trade. It appears the Nets finally have people running things that know what they are doing.
Agreed Moranis, I like Booker too, again this bodes extremely well for our pick.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Good trade for Philly. Bokker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
new here? ;D
i am sure sooner or later threads will pop that since okafor is sucking eggs in brooklyn, or not playing, or playing, or playing well that the celtics should pick him up.
as stated above by a poster or two...it matters not what experts think, there is an established and entrenched set of opinions here that carry more credibility than those experts and GMs.
tl;dr? expect more threads on okafur to boston.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Good trade for Philly. Bokker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
Nonsense. There’s nothing stopping the Nets from trading Okafor to the Celtics. Furthermore, the Celtics can offer more in free agency than the Nets.
See how easy that was to keep the (bizarre) dream alive for people?
Salty you almost gave me a heart a attack thinking you were serious!!!😂
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I don't see anything on either side of this trade that I am upset the Celtics did not get in on. I can see why both Philly and BKN wanted to do but I see nothing in it for the Celtics. The level of current value changing hands in this trade is inconsequential. Okafor may turn into something so worth the risk for BKN and Booker can provide some useful depth for Philly so why not.
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Okafor with something to prove is good for that Nets pick!
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Ugh, I don't like the trade. Okafor and Stauskas suck. Booker is nothing special, but he is a serviceable rotation player. Imo the Nets are gonna be worse in the short term. That's good news for the Cavs regarding their Brooklyn pick.
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Brooklyn get worse short-term unless Atkinson can immediately turn Nik and Jahlil into bad defenders instead of catastrophic ones.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Ya think?
Good trade for Philly. Booker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
I agree. Seriously question the Nets' management on this one. Okafor is a longshot at this point - though this gives him a fresh start with new coaches, which is exactly what he needs.
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Finally....the trade Okafor to Boston threads and talk will come to an end.
Ya think?
Good trade for Philly. Booker is a player....unlike Stauskas and Okafor
I agree. Seriously question the Nets' management on this one. Okafor is a longshot at this point - though this gives him a fresh start with new coaches, which is exactly what he needs.
They have absolutely no use for Booker, he will be an AARP member by the time a guy his age in his role will be of real value to the Nets. First they need to actually get their own draft picks back and have a few years of high lottery picks, then develop that talent, plus Russell and now Okafor.
Just by virtue of being a former #3 pick and being very young, Okafor is kind of like recouping one of the lottery picks they lost in the trade with us... Though obviously Okafor is no Jaylen or Tatum.
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Nets now have two of the top 3 picks from the 2015 draft, in which they started with pick #29.
This is the type of move you make if you're the Nets - try to accumulate assets with at least the potential to up your talent level - without a lot of downside.
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Booker is perfect for them. Hard nosed guy with a mixed bag of tools.
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Its funny last year I said Okafor wouldn't get a first round pick in a trade because he wasn't very good. Somebody said I was a loser and living in my parents basement or something to that effect and others debated whether Philly could get a lottery pick for him. Ahhh history.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
I assume you are kidding. A second round top-55 protected could have beaten that.
I like this trade for the Nets, it makes sense and I don't think it has to worsen them even short term.
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Booker is an ok bench big, but how exactly is he going to be in the rotation. He isn't playing over Embiid, Simmons, Saric, or Holmes, so I don't get it.
I like Okafor, think he has potential, and Stauskas was strangely out of the rotation this year after playing pretty well for the Sixers last year, but that is still a terrible trade for the Sixers. Nets make out like bandits in this trade, just like they did in the Russell trade. It appears the Nets finally have people running things that know what they are doing.
So far Embiid isn't playing back to backs and they have three B2Bs this months so that could give Booker some minutes. I'll be interested to see what the Sixers do with the open roster spot this creates.
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Jeez, they only just got rid of Brook Lopez. Now they want another one?
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for all their tanking, the 76ers have had their share of lottery picks they have shipped out of town.
okafor - gone
nerlens noel - gone
michael carter williams - gone
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
I believe it was reported earlier in the okafor fiasco that Philly refused to send okafor to an eastern conference rival.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
Okafor stinks. We definitely could have beaten the offer, but why would we have wanted to?
Just remember how even Amir looked good with Stevens around him and you'll now that Okafor could as well.
I actually started to watch all players in a different way since CBS era started. There is just no player (with some sort of value) to whom this man -Brad Stevens- won't find a role in a team. There's a long list: J.Crawford, Jerebko, Turner, Crowder, Thomas, Bradley, Olynyk, Amir,...
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Jeez, they only just got rid of Brook Lopez. Now they want another one?
That's not really a fair comparison.
Lopez can shoot from distance.
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What a great trade for the Nets. Booker has been good for them, but not as good as people seem to think. They have Carroll. RHJ, and Lavert who all need minutes. Each of those guys can play small-ball 4 in their uptempo gunner offense.
Booker slid over to the 5 often, but he was just as undersized there as the other guys I just mentioned.
The Nets are doing exactly what they need to do as an organization. They have a really good coach that is changing their culture. They have versatile athletes on the wing. Now they have two lottery talents at 1 and 5 who are both really talented offensive forces.
I'll be fascinated to see how Atkins forms a scheme around those guys, especially defensively, but this is a respectable team. If Okafor comes in with something to prove, and the Nets organization inspires confidence in him, this is a team that will flirt with the 8 seed all season. I think they are right there with the Heat and Knicks, primarily because of their coach.
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Just remember how even Amir looked good with Stevens around him and you'll now that Okafor could as well.
Amir looked good because Amir was good... for a year or so. How did James Young look?
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And here is today’s Kyrie trade update.
If the season ended today, the Nets would have the 10th worst record. Things can certainly change, but that is a far cry from what some people were expecting – a clear shot at one of the top picks. Maybe Danny could see better than a lot of the commenting critics with the Nets were going to be.
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I wanted him but did not want to give up much. Maybe no one in our top 10.... I was hoping to get him for a 2nd round pick or 2.
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@ZachLowe_NBA
1m1 minute ago
Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.
Argh, what a terrible trade... Could we seriously not beat that offer at all..?
I assume you are kidding. A second round top-55 protected could have beaten that.
I like this trade for the Nets, it makes sense and I don't think it has to worsen them even short term.
I was not.
We could've, but it's sad to me that we clearly didn't want to.
I've learned to trust Ainge no matter the consequences or sequential results.
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What a great trade for the Nets. Booker has been good for them, but not as good as people seem to think. They have Carroll. RHJ, and Lavert who all need minutes. Each of those guys can play small-ball 4 in their uptempo gunner offense.
Booker slid over to the 5 often, but he was just as undersized there as the other guys I just mentioned.
The Nets are doing exactly what they need to do as an organization. They have a really good coach that is changing their culture. They have versatile athletes on the wing. Now they have two lottery talents at 1 and 5 who are both really talented offensive forces.
I'll be fascinated to see how Atkins forms a scheme around those guys, especially defensively, but this is a respectable team. If Okafor comes in with something to prove, and the Nets organization inspires confidence in him, this is a team that will flirt with the 8 seed all season. I think they are right there with the Heat and Knicks, primarily because of their coach.
Okafor's a lottery talent like Anthony Bennett and Darko Milicic are 'lottery' talents. it's in position only, certainly not based on performance.
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What a great trade for the Nets. Booker has been good for them, but not as good as people seem to think. They have Carroll. RHJ, and Lavert who all need minutes. Each of those guys can play small-ball 4 in their uptempo gunner offense.
Booker slid over to the 5 often, but he was just as undersized there as the other guys I just mentioned.
The Nets are doing exactly what they need to do as an organization. They have a really good coach that is changing their culture. They have versatile athletes on the wing. Now they have two lottery talents at 1 and 5 who are both really talented offensive forces.
I'll be fascinated to see how Atkins forms a scheme around those guys, especially defensively, but this is a respectable team. If Okafor comes in with something to prove, and the Nets organization inspires confidence in him, this is a team that will flirt with the 8 seed all season. I think they are right there with the Heat and Knicks, primarily because of their coach.
Okafor's a lottery talent like Anthony Bennett and Darko Milicic are 'lottery' talents. it's in position only, certainly not based on performance.
Without any actual high draft picks, can you think of a better way for a team to roll the dice and find building blocks?
It is a good move by the Nets. Low cost chance to get a potential starting big man on a good team.
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What a great trade for the Nets. Booker has been good for them, but not as good as people seem to think. They have Carroll. RHJ, and Lavert who all need minutes. Each of those guys can play small-ball 4 in their uptempo gunner offense.
Booker slid over to the 5 often, but he was just as undersized there as the other guys I just mentioned.
The Nets are doing exactly what they need to do as an organization. They have a really good coach that is changing their culture. They have versatile athletes on the wing. Now they have two lottery talents at 1 and 5 who are both really talented offensive forces.
I'll be fascinated to see how Atkins forms a scheme around those guys, especially defensively, but this is a respectable team. If Okafor comes in with something to prove, and the Nets organization inspires confidence in him, this is a team that will flirt with the 8 seed all season. I think they are right there with the Heat and Knicks, primarily because of their coach.
Okafor's a lottery talent like Anthony Bennett and Darko Milicic are 'lottery' talents. it's in position only, certainly not based on performance.
Just as a reminder, neither Bennett nor Milicic ever averaged 17.5 ppg and 7 rpg in just 30 mpg.
In fact, few rookies have done that in the last years.
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Booker is an ok bench big, but how exactly is he going to be in the rotation. He isn't playing over Embiid, Simmons, Saric, or Holmes, so I don't get it.
I like Okafor, think he has potential, and Stauskas was strangely out of the rotation this year after playing pretty well for the Sixers last year, but that is still a terrible trade for the Sixers. Nets make out like bandits in this trade, just like they did in the Russell trade. It appears the Nets finally have people running things that know what they are doing.
So far Embiid isn't playing back to backs and they have three B2Bs this months so that could give Booker some minutes. I'll be interested to see what the Sixers do with the open roster spot this creates.
That is what Amir Johnson is for, who I didn't even mention. Booker is the 6th big in Philly (just like Okafor was). Booker is a better fit for the Sixers than Okafor was, but he is still way down the totem pole. It was a bad trade for the Sixers. They were better off just cutting him then dumping him, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder for a 6th big.
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What a great trade for the Nets. Booker has been good for them, but not as good as people seem to think. They have Carroll. RHJ, and Lavert who all need minutes. Each of those guys can play small-ball 4 in their uptempo gunner offense.
Booker slid over to the 5 often, but he was just as undersized there as the other guys I just mentioned.
The Nets are doing exactly what they need to do as an organization. They have a really good coach that is changing their culture. They have versatile athletes on the wing. Now they have two lottery talents at 1 and 5 who are both really talented offensive forces.
I'll be fascinated to see how Atkins forms a scheme around those guys, especially defensively, but this is a respectable team. If Okafor comes in with something to prove, and the Nets organization inspires confidence in him, this is a team that will flirt with the 8 seed all season. I think they are right there with the Heat and Knicks, primarily because of their coach.
Okafor's a lottery talent like Anthony Bennett and Darko Milicic are 'lottery' talents. it's in position only, certainly not based on performance.
That's why I didn't say they get a great player performing well. I said they get a lottery talent. The offensive skill is the talent, and that is undeniable, even if you go back to his rookie season.
You can't trade Trevor Booker for a lottery talent that is performing well.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
Who is "us". Are we Philly?
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
Who is "us". Are we Philly?
Read his post again carefully.
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I’ll take Monroe over Okafor all day. Is Okafor even part of their rotation at this point?
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
We don't know if the Fultz trade was awful yet. Fultz may turn out to be the player we were all clamoring for when we got the #1 pick. If he pans out, I don't think Philly cares about the other lottery pick they gave up.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
We don't know if the Fultz trade was awful yet. Fultz may turn out to be the player we were all clamoring for when we got the #1 pick. If he pans out, I don't think Philly cares about the other lottery pick they gave up.
Speak for yourself. I was never clamoring for Fultz as the top pick.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
Especially drafting him over Porzingis, who would have been an exceptional fit next to Embiid.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
Especially drafting him over Porzingis, who would have been an exceptional fit next to Embiid.
In all fairness to Philly, Porzingas and his agent did everything humanly possible to let Philly know, he didn't want to be there and that he wouldn't come to the team if drafted.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
Especially drafting him over Porzingis, who would have been an exceptional fit next to Embiid.
In all fairness to Philly, Porzingas and his agent did everything humanly possible to let Philly know, he didn't want to be there and that he wouldn't come to the team if drafted.
Embiid had re-injured his foot and undergone a 2nd surgery. Russell was taken by the Lakers. KP was a project who wanted to be in New York so he wouldn't work out for the Sixers. Drafting Okafor was the logical choice.
The problem was not moving on from Okafor sooner. On the other hand Okafor helped them get the worst record which allowed them to draft Simmons. That probably doesn't happen if they draft KP. I think Simmons/Embiid is a much better combo than Porzingis/Embiid.
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
Especially drafting him over Porzingis, who would have been an exceptional fit next to Embiid.
In all fairness to Philly, Porzingas and his agent did everything humanly possible to let Philly know, he didn't want to be there and that he wouldn't come to the team if drafted.
Embiid had re-injured his foot and undergone a 2nd surgery. Russell was taken by the Lakers. KP was a project who wanted to be in New York so he wouldn't work out for the Sixers. Drafting Okafor was the logical choice.
This simply isn't true. Even with Embiid's injury, they also had Noel which should've been obvious he wouldn't be able to play alongside Okafor. In addition, why did they have to make a selection? The Celtics were also floating around godfather type offers trying to obtain Winslow. Just that package alone would've put them in a much better position, both in terms of talent and fit, moving forward.
Even the biggest Hinkie apologist would admit he struck out badly in that draft.
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Okafor was more resistant to Philly than Porzingis as I recall. And who cares about that. Plenty to evaluate any of these guys. If Danny thought Ball was the best fit and best player in draft he would have drafted him regardless of his not coming in. These players have no leverage.
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If it makes sense on some level bringing in Okafor for almost nothing the way we did with Evan Turner.....I could get behind that. Stevens seems to help everyone's career and get the most out of them
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so with Philly releasing Booker, the trade from their end is here Brooklyn take Okafor, Stauskas, and a 2nd rounder from us and we will pay Booker to get released.
Sixers were much better off with Hinkie running the show. They have signed some terrible contracts (though Redick was a good one), made that awful Fultz trade, and have terribly mishandled Noel and Okafor. All since Hinkie was replaced.
The mishandling of Okafor occurred by drafting him, which happened Under Hinkie’s watch.
Especially drafting him over Porzingis, who would have been an exceptional fit next to Embiid.
In all fairness to Philly, Porzingas and his agent did everything humanly possible to let Philly know, he didn't want to be there and that he wouldn't come to the team if drafted.
Embiid had re-injured his foot and undergone a 2nd surgery. Russell was taken by the Lakers. KP was a project who wanted to be in New York so he wouldn't work out for the Sixers. Drafting Okafor was the logical choice.
This simply isn't true. Even with Embiid's injury, they also had Noel which should've been obvious he wouldn't be able to play alongside Okafor. In addition, why did they have to make a selection? The Celtics were also floating around godfather type offers trying to obtain Winslow. Just that package alone would've put them in a much better position, both in terms of talent and fit, moving forward.
Even the biggest Hinkie apologist would admit he struck out badly in that draft.
Well tazz is one and won't admit it