Rondo traded for Wright Nelson Crowder and 1st and 2nd

[jambr380]

Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA  12m12 minutes ago
Sources: Protections on the 2015 first-round pick Dallas sent Boston: Protected 1-3 and 15-30 in 2015; 2016-2020 protected to No. 7.

Okay, I've slightly re-evaluated this trade now. What we actually got is a 2016 pick which has a fari chance at being lottery.

I understand why Ainge would want the later protections on the pick this year, but why on earth is it protected at all after this year (especially all the way up to #7)? Heck, there aren't even any protections on the Clips pick, which we traded a freakin' coach for.

[MBunge]

He took this deal because winning 35 games and making the playoffs is the worst of all possible worlds.

We can still win 35 games. Don't think for a second that the trade made us THAT much worse.

If they want to miss the playoffs, they may have to trade Green or Bass.  I don't think the deal makes the team that much worse in the short run.   In how many games has Rondo actually made a difference? 

Wright and the absence of Rondo actually improve the team defense.  Nelson's still at least a rotation player and he's a better shooter than RR.  Don't think there's going to be quite the drop off that many of you expect - though granted they're not getting to .500 anytime soon.

I agree about trading Green / Bass.  Probably need to do that to ensure a bottom out.

But I disagree about Nelson.  His game has dropped off a cliff.  Nelson is shooting 37% fg this year.  I hope AB hounds the crap out of him in practice and he never suits up for us in a game.

Nelson is shooting 37% from 3, as opposed to Rondo's 25%.  That's a huge difference with how the game is played today.

Mike

[vjcsmoke]

Are there any good players draftable after pick 7?  Usually the great players are in the top 5.  I would have also liked to see the protection lessen as the years progressed or give us one year with a right to swap 1st round picks.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I HATE JAMEER NELSON!!!!!! This is the very first time I have to deal with my Celts fandom when cheering for someone I really and truly don't like.

I like Nelson infinitely more than I liked Steph Marbury.

LOL I didn't have to live that but I feel you. Yikes.

Cmon, that is the lesser of two bad experiences.  It doesn't mean we have to like the less bad one right? haha

LOL I still don't like it but now I'm put in the position of having to look at it like, could have been worse.

[LooseCannon]

Jameer Nelson's there just to match salary.  His main value to the Celtics is probably to show what Stevens' system looks like with a PG who can hit threes, something Smart and Pressey have not (and may never) do.  He's making a decent 36.9% of them right now, close to his career average, while 63% of his shots are threes, well above his career average.

He's going to be a bit difficult to move because he has a player option for next season, unless he looks like he will get more than the minimum if he declines his option.

Wright is atrocious at post offense and not so great at post defense, while being a poor rebounder.  He's good at other stuff so that he looks great according to advanced metrics.  You probably need to make heavy use of smallball lineups to get maximum effectiveness out of him.

[kozlodoev]

He took this deal because winning 35 games and making the playoffs is the worst of all possible worlds.

We can still win 35 games. Don't think for a second that the trade made us THAT much worse.

The entire reason he's traded Rondo away is to improve our draft position.
We aren't coming close to 30 games because if Rondo's gone then we are dumping Jeff Green and Bass ASAP too. They'll be had for scraps and we'll develop the young guys and hopefully bink Okafur.

No, the entire reason we traded Rondo was to get something now rather than nothing in the offseason.

[LooseCannon]

Overall, I think this is a decent trade if there was a 90% chance that Rondo was going to leave and a bad trade if there was a 75% chance the Celtics could re-sign him for less (maybe 90%) of the max.  I think the truth is somewhere in between.

I wonder if the willingness of several teams to pursue a Rondo trade made it clear that some of them were prepared to offer Rondo the max in free agency and that's what flipped the switch in Ainge's head.

[Eddie20]

He took this deal because winning 35 games and making the playoffs is the worst of all possible worlds.

We can still win 35 games. Don't think for a second that the trade made us THAT much worse.

The entire reason he's traded Rondo away is to improve our draft position.
We aren't coming close to 30 games because if Rondo's gone then we are dumping Jeff Green and Bass ASAP too. They'll be had for scraps and we'll develop the young guys and hopefully bink Okafur.

No, the entire reason we traded Rondo was to get something now rather than nothing in the offseason.

...and to further Smart's development at PG, a position he is most suited to excel at. This would only help his growth as a player. 

[blink]

He took this deal because winning 35 games and making the playoffs is the worst of all possible worlds.

We can still win 35 games. Don't think for a second that the trade made us THAT much worse.

If they want to miss the playoffs, they may have to trade Green or Bass.  I don't think the deal makes the team that much worse in the short run.   In how many games has Rondo actually made a difference? 

Wright and the absence of Rondo actually improve the team defense.  Nelson's still at least a rotation player and he's a better shooter than RR.  Don't think there's going to be quite the drop off that many of you expect - though granted they're not getting to .500 anytime soon.

I agree about trading Green / Bass.  Probably need to do that to ensure a bottom out.

But I disagree about Nelson.  His game has dropped off a cliff.  Nelson is shooting 37% fg this year.  I hope AB hounds the crap out of him in practice and he never suits up for us in a game.

Nelson is shooting 37% from 3, as opposed to Rondo's 25%.  That's a huge difference with how the game is played today.

Mike

His overall FG% is 37% as well.  I am supposed to be glad about that part too?  Give me a break.  Nelson is not a good player.  Don't even try to convince me he is.

At some point he will be behind smart on the bench, and might even be behind pressey on the bench.  Just more flotsam and jetsam that we have to purge ourselves of because of this deal.

[SHAQATTACK]

He had done it


Worse deal in Celtics history

[Beat LA]

Jae Crowder - he looks like the manimal, but plays nothing like Faried.

[LooseCannon]

Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA  12m12 minutes ago
Sources: Protections on the 2015 first-round pick Dallas sent Boston: Protected 1-3 and 15-30 in 2015; 2016-2020 protected to No. 7.

Okay, I've slightly re-evaluated this trade now. What we actually got is a 2016 pick which has a fari chance at being lottery.

I understand why Ainge would want the later protections on the pick this year, but why on earth is it protected at all after this year (especially all the way up to #7)? Heck, there aren't even any protections on the Clips pick, which we traded a freakin' coach for.

The Mavs probably wanted a hedge against Dirk retiring, which I think is a fair thing to ask.  Would you have preferred top-10 protection in 2016, top-7 in 2017, decreasing to top-5, top-3, and unprotected in 2020?

[Beat LA]

He took this deal because winning 35 games and making the playoffs is the worst of all possible worlds.

We can still win 35 games. Don't think for a second that the trade made us THAT much worse.

The entire reason he's traded Rondo away is to improve our draft position.
We aren't coming close to 30 games because if Rondo's gone then we are dumping Jeff Green and Bass ASAP too. They'll be had for scraps and we'll develop the young guys and hopefully bink Okafur.

No, the entire reason we traded Rondo was to get something now rather than nothing in the offseason.

...and to further Smart's development at PG, a position he is most suited to excel at. This would only help his growth as a player.

Yeah, if he could ever stay on the court.  Ugh.

[Tr1boy]

Jameer Nelson's there just to match salary.  His main value to the Celtics is probably to show what Stevens' system looks like with a PG who can hit threes, something Smart and Pressey have not (and may never) do.  He's making a decent 36.9% of them right now, close to his career average, while 63% of his shots are threes, well above his career average.

He's going to be a bit difficult to move because he has a player option for next season, unless he looks like he will get more than the minimum if he declines his option.

Wright is atrocious at post offense and not so great at post defense, while being a poor rebounder.  He's good at other stuff so that he looks great according to advanced metrics.  You probably need to make heavy use of smallball lineups to get maximum effectiveness out of him.

We will see how bad Wright is starting tomorrow. 

I do agree about your pt regarding Nelson. However I think once Smart comesback, Pressey will get a bulk of the min as a backup.  Nelson will become a specialist/third string pg.  No way he will get the 20 plus min he has been playing this season. If he starts to complain just waive him If we can't trade him

[JSD]

Do we know the details surrounding this first round pick?