I’m ready for change

[testy]

          Boston gets : T Halliburton
                              D Fox
                              H Barnes
                              M bagley

Sacramento gets:    J Brown
                             M Smart
                             J Richardson
                             D Schroeder


I really had a hard time with letting Brown go. I feel we need to go in another direction. We needed another shooter and playmaker to move this team in a more positive direction not only this year but into the future. Hope this is a trade that some would consider for Brown
 

[PhoSita]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

[testy]

I still would try Brown instead of Tatum. Jason has been been more reliable and productive than Brown, but not totally opposed. 6’ 8” is harder to replace than 6’6”.

[Celtics2021]

Poor Schröder.  Neither Boston nor Sacramento want him in this deal.

[Surferdad]

This one feels like shakeup for the sake of shakeup.  I was pretty pointed in the Hornets game thread about my frustration with this team, but I don't like these deals, at all.  Brown or Tatum are better than anything from Sac.  For Tatum (and maybe Brown too), you better get back a top-15 player.

[footey]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

I agree, we could get a much better package for Tatum, and would probably be just as competitive if not more so, not to mention the picks. Just doubt management has the chutzpa to do that.

[Who]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

That is actually a really nice team. They'd be a lot of fun to watch too. I am not sure where you go from there to winning a title though.

[testy]

I feel this gives Boston a better  traditional roster going into the future.Like I said I really had a hard time moving Brown. I was looking to fill some holes and better balance the roster and have some cap flexibility. Always encourage other considerations. just watching this group isn’t working for me

[testy]

I purposely did not include Buddy for cap purposes.

[PhoSita]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

That is actually a really nice team. They'd be a lot of fun to watch too. I am not sure where you go from there to winning a title though.

you probably don't, but i feel like that ship has almost certainly sailed w/ the Tatum & Brown combo, too, unless the Celts find the next Jokic in the second round or something

[Who]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

That is actually a really nice team. They'd be a lot of fun to watch too. I am not sure where you go from there to winning a title though.

you probably don't, but i feel like that ship has almost certainly sailed w/ the Tatum & Brown combo, too, unless the Celts find the next Jokic in the second round or something

I don't feel that way. I like our chances to go all-in with our future 1st round picks to pickup (1) one high level star to make a Big Three, or, (2) two low level stars to make a Big Four.

So I do see a way forward for this current Celtics team to win a title versus struggling to see it for the other group. That has me thinking this deal would be a short term upgrade long term downgrade situation.

[RJ87]

if we're thinking big, what if we sold high on Tatum? package him with Smart and Schroder. take back Haliburton, Hield, Barnes, and a bunch of picks.

Sacto can sell themselves on Fox + Tatum. 

Celts have Hali - Buddy - Jaylen - Barnes - Timelord

plus multiple picks from Sacto

Would you be selling high? Players don't typically peak at 23 years old. He hasn't even sniffed his prime yet. It'd be a trade for the sake of trading, imo. It wouldn't make us better in the short term or long term unless you think Haliburton has a chance to be an MVP level player. But I have a feeling if we don't win immediately, people will be ready to trade him too in two years.

[Who]

          Boston gets : T Halliburton
                              D Fox
                              H Barnes
                              M bagley

Sacramento gets:    J Brown
                             M Smart
                             J Richardson
                             D Schroeder


I really had a hard time with letting Brown go. I feel we need to go in another direction. We needed another shooter and playmaker to move this team in a more positive direction not only this year but into the future. Hope this is a trade that some would consider for Brown
 

I want to say two things

(1) I like this deal with Fox in it more than Hield because Fox has more upside to his game and could lead to a group that could compete for a Championship in 2-3 years if Fox can become a legit All-Star caliber PG.

G: Fox
G: Haliburton
F: Tatum
F: H.Barnes
C: Rob Williams

(2) I don't think you can get anywhere near this much talent out of Sacramento for Jaylen Brown. The 76ers are not just giving up Ben Simmons. They are giving up a 2nd near All-Star player in Tobias Harris and a 3rd good player who is a borderline starter (high end bench player, below average starter) with potential (if he develops a shot, he is an elite glue guy) in Thybulle. Boston would be giving up a lot less in this deal. One All-Star in Jaylen, a solid starter in Smart, two borderline starters with zero potential. There is far less talent in Boston's talent.

[gouki88]

          Boston gets : T Halliburton
                              D Fox
                              H Barnes
                              M bagley

Sacramento gets:    J Brown
                             M Smart
                             J Richardson
                             D Schroeder


I really had a hard time with letting Brown go. I feel we need to go in another direction. We needed another shooter and playmaker to move this team in a more positive direction not only this year but into the future. Hope this is a trade that some would consider for Brown
 

I want to say two things

(1) I like this deal with Fox in it more than Hield because Fox has more upside to his game and could lead to a group that could compete for a Championship in 2-3 years if Fox can become a legit All-Star caliber PG.

G: Fox
G: Haliburton
F: Tatum
F: H.Barnes
C: Rob Williams

(2) I don't think you can get anywhere near this much talent out of Sacramento for Jaylen Brown. The 76ers are not just giving up Ben Simmons. They are giving up a 2nd near All-Star player in Tobias Harris and a 3rd good player who is a borderline starter (high end bench player, below average starter) with potential (if he develops a shot, he is an elite glue guy) in Thybulle. Boston would be giving up a lot less in this deal. One All-Star in Jaylen, a solid starter in Smart, two borderline starters with zero potential. There is far less talent in Boston's talent.

For how unforgiving you are of Marcus Smart's offensive shortcomings you are very quick to overlook Thybulle's, despite him being a vastly worse offensive player. He is also only 6 months younger than Jaylen.

[Who]

          Boston gets : T Halliburton
                              D Fox
                              H Barnes
                              M bagley

Sacramento gets:    J Brown
                             M Smart
                             J Richardson
                             D Schroeder


I really had a hard time with letting Brown go. I feel we need to go in another direction. We needed another shooter and playmaker to move this team in a more positive direction not only this year but into the future. Hope this is a trade that some would consider for Brown
 

I want to say two things

(1) I like this deal with Fox in it more than Hield because Fox has more upside to his game and could lead to a group that could compete for a Championship in 2-3 years if Fox can become a legit All-Star caliber PG.

G: Fox
G: Haliburton
F: Tatum
F: H.Barnes
C: Rob Williams

(2) I don't think you can get anywhere near this much talent out of Sacramento for Jaylen Brown. The 76ers are not just giving up Ben Simmons. They are giving up a 2nd near All-Star player in Tobias Harris and a 3rd good player who is a borderline starter (high end bench player, below average starter) with potential (if he develops a shot, he is an elite glue guy) in Thybulle. Boston would be giving up a lot less in this deal. One All-Star in Jaylen, a solid starter in Smart, two borderline starters with zero potential. There is far less talent in Boston's talent.

For how unforgiving you are of Marcus Smart's offensive shortcomings you are very quick to overlook Thybulle's, despite him being a vastly worse offensive player. He is also only 6 months younger than Jaylen.

It is only halfway through Thybulle's 3rd year.

Smart is in year 8.