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Title: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: CelticsElite on January 22, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
Wizards Admit Players-Only Meeting Was Likely UnproductiveThe Washington Wizards recently had a players-only meeting that several players finally spoke about publicly.

“We had our team meeting,” John Wall said Friday. “A couple guys took it the negative way and it hurt our team. Instead of taking it in a positive way like we did in the past and using it to build our team up, it kind of set us back a little bit.”

“It was tough. I try to keep all our stuff as personal as possible but I think in a way not everybody got a chance to speak whenever they wanted to,” Bradley Beal said. “They didn’t want to bring up an issue or something they had a problem with on the team. Regardless of what may be going on, as men we’ve got to be able to accept what the next man says, be respectful about it and move on from it. I think it was one of those situations where we didn’t necessarily get everything that we wanted to get accomplished.

“Honestly, it was probably — I won’t say pointless,” Beal continued, “but we didn’t accomplish what we needed to accomplish in that meeting.”

Jason Smith was less hopeful that the team issues had been solved with it becoming unproductive.

“Sometimes you need those moments to just get everything out in the air,” Smith said. “Just like any family. You got to let things out. You can’t hold it in and let things fester.” at times.

Scott Brooks said he never knew about the meeting.

Wall also suggested the Washington front office has work to do as well to help out the situation.

“Upstairs,” Wall said. “Front office got to figure it out.”
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: celticsclay on January 22, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
Wizards Admit Players-Only Meeting Was Likely UnproductiveThe Washington Wizards recently had a players-only meeting that several players finally spoke about publicly.

“We had our team meeting,” John Wall said Friday. “A couple guys took it the negative way and it hurt our team. Instead of taking it in a positive way like we did in the past and using it to build our team up, it kind of set us back a little bit.”

“It was tough. I try to keep all our stuff as personal as possible but I think in a way not everybody got a chance to speak whenever they wanted to,” Bradley Beal said. “They didn’t want to bring up an issue or something they had a problem with on the team. Regardless of what may be going on, as men we’ve got to be able to accept what the next man says, be respectful about it and move on from it. I think it was one of those situations where we didn’t necessarily get everything that we wanted to get accomplished.

“Honestly, it was probably — I won’t say pointless,” Beal continued, “but we didn’t accomplish what we needed to accomplish in that meeting.”

Jason Smith was less hopeful that the team issues had been solved with it becoming unproductive.

“Sometimes you need those moments to just get everything out in the air,” Smith said. “Just like any family. You got to let things out. You can’t hold it in and let things fester.” at times.

Scott Brooks said he never knew about the meeting.

Wall also suggested the Washington front office has work to do as well to help out the situation.

“Upstairs,” Wall said. “Front office got to figure it out.”

Honestly this is kind of surprising. That core has been together quite a long time, you would figure they would at least get along at a basic level from the amount of time together. What can they do to shake it up? Gortat expires next years so may they get something useful attaching a first round pick to him if they have one... Jordan could really help that team out a lot.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2018, 01:43:44 PM
Wizards Admit Players-Only Meeting Was Likely UnproductiveThe Washington Wizards recently had a players-only meeting that several players finally spoke about publicly.

“We had our team meeting,” John Wall said Friday. “A couple guys took it the negative way and it hurt our team. Instead of taking it in a positive way like we did in the past and using it to build our team up, it kind of set us back a little bit.”

“It was tough. I try to keep all our stuff as personal as possible but I think in a way not everybody got a chance to speak whenever they wanted to,” Bradley Beal said. “They didn’t want to bring up an issue or something they had a problem with on the team. Regardless of what may be going on, as men we’ve got to be able to accept what the next man says, be respectful about it and move on from it. I think it was one of those situations where we didn’t necessarily get everything that we wanted to get accomplished.

“Honestly, it was probably — I won’t say pointless,” Beal continued, “but we didn’t accomplish what we needed to accomplish in that meeting.”

Jason Smith was less hopeful that the team issues had been solved with it becoming unproductive.

“Sometimes you need those moments to just get everything out in the air,” Smith said. “Just like any family. You got to let things out. You can’t hold it in and let things fester.” at times.

Scott Brooks said he never knew about the meeting.

Wall also suggested the Washington front office has work to do as well to help out the situation.

“Upstairs,” Wall said. “Front office got to figure it out.”

Honestly this is kind of surprising. That core has been together quite a long time, you would figure they would at least get along at a basic level from the amount of time together. What can they do to shake it up? Gortat expires next years so may they get something useful attaching a first round pick to him if they have one... Jordan could really help that team out a lot.
Jordan would be interesting, but the player that makes sense to trade is Otto Porter and he has a no trade clause for this season.  That said, if Porter agreed, I think something like Jordan and W. Johnson for Porter would make some sense for both teams. 
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Snakehead on January 22, 2018, 01:44:02 PM


Honestly this is kind of surprising. That core has been together quite a long time, you would figure they would at least get along at a basic level from the amount of time together.

There's no talk about who are the offended people.  With Beal and Wall bringing it up I would assume they are on the same page, myself.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: CFAN38 on January 22, 2018, 01:47:53 PM
Great for the Celtics come playoff time aside from Lebron the only individual players that I worry about in the east are Wall and Giannis. Let Wall's team fight while the Cs wait out Lebron leaving to go West.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: manl_lui on January 22, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
did Kelly Oubre has his feelings hurt again? Did he cry?
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: wdleehi on January 22, 2018, 02:07:09 PM
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Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: celticsclay on January 22, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
Wizards Admit Players-Only Meeting Was Likely UnproductiveThe Washington Wizards recently had a players-only meeting that several players finally spoke about publicly.

“We had our team meeting,” John Wall said Friday. “A couple guys took it the negative way and it hurt our team. Instead of taking it in a positive way like we did in the past and using it to build our team up, it kind of set us back a little bit.”

“It was tough. I try to keep all our stuff as personal as possible but I think in a way not everybody got a chance to speak whenever they wanted to,” Bradley Beal said. “They didn’t want to bring up an issue or something they had a problem with on the team. Regardless of what may be going on, as men we’ve got to be able to accept what the next man says, be respectful about it and move on from it. I think it was one of those situations where we didn’t necessarily get everything that we wanted to get accomplished.

“Honestly, it was probably — I won’t say pointless,” Beal continued, “but we didn’t accomplish what we needed to accomplish in that meeting.”

Jason Smith was less hopeful that the team issues had been solved with it becoming unproductive.

“Sometimes you need those moments to just get everything out in the air,” Smith said. “Just like any family. You got to let things out. You can’t hold it in and let things fester.” at times.

Scott Brooks said he never knew about the meeting.

Wall also suggested the Washington front office has work to do as well to help out the situation.

“Upstairs,” Wall said. “Front office got to figure it out.”

Honestly this is kind of surprising. That core has been together quite a long time, you would figure they would at least get along at a basic level from the amount of time together. What can they do to shake it up? Gortat expires next years so may they get something useful attaching a first round pick to him if they have one... Jordan could really help that team out a lot.
Jordan would be interesting, but the player that makes sense to trade is Otto Porter and he has a no trade clause for this season.  That said, if Porter agreed, I think something like Jordan and W. Johnson for Porter would make some sense for both teams.

I would love to see that trade. Would be curious how Porter looks in an offense less dominated by Wall and Beal.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Who on January 22, 2018, 03:33:43 PM
Hasn't that team had issues every season for the last few years?

I don't think it is surprising. Just a continuation of the past. The front office has never dealt with the team's issues in the past so they just keep coming back up again. And again.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Who on January 22, 2018, 03:47:26 PM
My guess at the problems:

(1) lack of ball movement = none of their big men can pass the ball well. Neither do their wings. So the ball ends up in Wall's hands a lot and Beal's some. The other guys do not feel as involved in things offensively as they want to be.

(2) Wall and Beal have had issues on and off throughout their stay in Washington. Guessing that Beal feels Wall hogs the ball too much. And that Wall feels Beal is too inconsistent effort wise. Although that one seems to have solved itself over the last two years. Beal far more aggressive on the offensive end than he used to be when he would often be "in and out" of games.

(3) Defensive effort = long been an issue for the team. Wall was one of the league's finest defensive PGs a few years ago. Now only mediocre. Ever since Nene's role in the team lessened, the team has struggled to maintain a defensive mindset. The team is filled with more average defenders than high level defenders. And with middling effort from it's two leaders (Wall, Beal), the rest of the team often follows their lead effort wise on D.

(4) Bench production = lack of it. The team is far too reliant on it's starters. I guess the starters question the bench's contributions and are unhappy at how much harder they are making the starter's lives.

(5) Haven't built the team around Wall's strengths. Wall is a premier drive and kick PG. Why were they so slow to put more 3 point shooting around him? To exploit his passing ability + to open lanes for his driving ability because he is a fantastic driver once he has space to attack. Instead it forced him into many more inefficient shots (which probably tick off his teammates). Even now with more 3 point shooting on the team, the Wizards are still in the bottom 3rd of the league in terms of 3 point attempts. The Wizards FO are wasting Wall's talents by not building a team around his specific talents. I for one would love to see Wall in a D'Antoni type offense.

(6) Their head coach is mediocre. His teams in OKC regularly underperformed. He failed to build a collective offensive system and instead relied on star-led iso play. His teams failed to maximize their defensive talent too. No surprise the same things are happening in WAS. Scott Brooks simply isn't a good coach.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 22, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
Sign of a team that's not Mentally Tough.

They won't have Paul Pierce draining buzzer-beating threes to save their behinds THIS time...

When / If they meet us in the playoffs later this season they'll have:

An MVP-Candidate in Kyrie Irving with a BUTT-LOAD to prove...

Marcus Smart who will bring his A-Game and will be trying to cement his place in BOS for the next few years...

Jaylen Brown who will look to build on his season AND his playoff performance in spot minutes last season..

Jason Tatum who is NOT playing like a rookie..

AND - we COULD have Gordon Hayward back as well......

Let WAS implode. They lack Mental Toughness.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: saltlover on January 22, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
Wizards Admit Players-Only Meeting Was Likely UnproductiveThe Washington Wizards recently had a players-only meeting that several players finally spoke about publicly.

“We had our team meeting,” John Wall said Friday. “A couple guys took it the negative way and it hurt our team. Instead of taking it in a positive way like we did in the past and using it to build our team up, it kind of set us back a little bit.”

“It was tough. I try to keep all our stuff as personal as possible but I think in a way not everybody got a chance to speak whenever they wanted to,” Bradley Beal said. “They didn’t want to bring up an issue or something they had a problem with on the team. Regardless of what may be going on, as men we’ve got to be able to accept what the next man says, be respectful about it and move on from it. I think it was one of those situations where we didn’t necessarily get everything that we wanted to get accomplished.

“Honestly, it was probably — I won’t say pointless,” Beal continued, “but we didn’t accomplish what we needed to accomplish in that meeting.”

Jason Smith was less hopeful that the team issues had been solved with it becoming unproductive.

“Sometimes you need those moments to just get everything out in the air,” Smith said. “Just like any family. You got to let things out. You can’t hold it in and let things fester.” at times.

Scott Brooks said he never knew about the meeting.

Wall also suggested the Washington front office has work to do as well to help out the situation.

“Upstairs,” Wall said. “Front office got to figure it out.”

Honestly this is kind of surprising. That core has been together quite a long time, you would figure they would at least get along at a basic level from the amount of time together. What can they do to shake it up? Gortat expires next years so may they get something useful attaching a first round pick to him if they have one... Jordan could really help that team out a lot.

Living in DC, this isn't remotely surprising to me.  Wall is a talented player, but with an ego that is outsized for even his abilities.  He and Beal really couldn't get along for some time, because Beal had the same ego.  Then, last year, they somehow patched it up between the two of them, but what it's really become is two egos morphed into one.  It is impossible for them to let others onto the team into their orbit.  They don't like Porter at all, and so won't pass him the ball in the 4th quarter.  They both feel they should be All-Star starters, All-NBA, and I think Wall feels he should get MVP consideration.  So they play for stats, and convinced themselves that they were the true challengers to Cleveland last year -- in their collective mind (Wall and Beal, that is), I don't know if they even truly think they lost to the Celtics.

The Wizards are a talented team that can go on spurts, but sooner or later the Wall+Beal ego shows up, doesn't share the ball on the court, and divides the team off the court.  Meanwhile they've done a terrible job of managing their salary (over the tax this year, and will be for 2-3 more years, even after trading a 1st last year for salary mitigation).

In one sense, you don't want to face them in the playoffs because they're capable of going on a 5-10 game stretch of elite basketball.  On the other hand, when you beat them the finger-pointing starts really quickly.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 22, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
They have had talent for a few years yet it is failed to mesh.  I don't know if its is the coach, but definitely this makes me think it is their personalities.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: GreenWarrior on January 22, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
didn't pierce say something about not being sure if these guys had the character to be a great team?
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: seancally on January 22, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
Shoulda tried swinging for the fences with a Boogie trade last year when he (apparently) could've been had for cheap. I mean, maybe that idiotic Kings owner just had Buddy Hield goggles, but still. Porter + picks + whatever would have been a decent package by comparison. I see no chance NOP entertains a Boogie trade before this year's deadline, even with a big contract due to Cousins. On the other hand, who knows what Boogie wants - maybe the plan is to see if WAS extends him a big offer next summer.

I say Boogie because he played with Wall in college and because the egos on that team would be so explosive they might need to move it outside D.C.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on January 22, 2018, 06:27:30 PM
This is so hysterical.  This is one of those teams the NBA talking heads seem to think is better than us and can take us out come playoff time.  When you have a "superstar" that can't shoot jumpers consistently and can't guard a chair as your leader you're nothing more than a middle of the pack 40-50 win team.  Beal is an absolute stud sniper but he's not beating us by himself.  I love seeing stories like this.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: OnPoint on January 22, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
It's about time they turn that team over to Beal and move on from John Wall.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: mr. dee on January 22, 2018, 07:57:29 PM
We are really fortunate to be Celtics fans.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: colincb on January 22, 2018, 07:58:25 PM
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Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: saltlover on January 22, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
Wizards are looking terrible in Dallas right now.  A lot of bad offense from Wall.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: colincb on January 22, 2018, 10:49:49 PM
Second worst offensive output tonight for the season.

Really don't like this team and Wall especially. Regardless, no team plays more up or down to the level of their opponents than WAS. I'd be very frustrated as a fan.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: azzenfrost on January 22, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
Wiz story is tragic.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: Phantom255x on January 22, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
I knew John Wall was slightly overrated when he went something like 0-7 in the 4th quarter of last year's Game 7 (while Olynyk outplayed him) and also looked horrible on defense.

He's a GREAT player, but superstar?? LOL.

And frankly, it doesn't seem like too many guys like him that much (such as Beal).
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: CelticsElite on January 23, 2018, 01:24:00 AM
J.J. Barea fires back after John Wall calls him 'a little midget'

DALLAS - J.J. Barea won't be gifted a Rolex watch from John Wall anytime soon.

An on-court confrontation between Barea and Wall was just a warm-up act Monday night. Things really got rolling when the veteran point guards exchanged trash talk via the media after Barea's Dallas Mavericks cruised to a 98-75 rout of Wall's Washington Wizards.

Wall fired the first shot when asked about the barking between the two, which resulted in Barea being whistled for a technical foul with 7:42 remaining in the game.

"Just a little midget trying to get mad," Wall said. "I don't pay him no mind."

Barea, a 12-year veteran who is very generously listed at 6 feet, raised his eyebrows when Wall's comment was relayed to him. Barea said Wall's comment was "funny" before firing back.

"Now I have somebody in the NBA that I don't like," Barea said. "That's my first. I don't like him at all now. But I don't think his teammates like him, either. So it's nothing new for him."

Wall, who gave his teammates Rolexes as Christmas gifts this season, has publicly acknowledged chemistry issues with backcourt partner Bradley Beal in the past. Barea's poke at Wall's popularity with his teammates also came the day after a Washington Post story about a Wizards team meeting that didn't go well.
Title: Re: Wizards had players-only meeting, now hate each other. "it was unproductive"
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on January 23, 2018, 10:11:31 AM
They have had talent for a few years yet it is failed to mesh.  I don't know if its is the coach, but definitely this makes me think it is their personalities.
JJ Barea said it best about John Wall" "I don't think his teammates like him, either. So it's nothing new for him."