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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: Erik on January 12, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
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They brought out Fultz to do some pre game shooting and this is what happened:
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/951566066802679808 (https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/951566066802679808)
Anyone still buying the injury BS?
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This is scary for the prospect of fultz career. He was also supposedly injured around the middle of the college season wasn’t he? Then they shut him down. I feel like he was hidden for draft purposes. They were able to sell fools gold to the sixers. Then the sixers shut him down to figure out what to do with the bust in their hand... Fultz May be a complete bust. It’s not like he can fall back on his defense... he has none at all. The draft videos only talk about his"defensive potential from his tools and length" but that only goes so far without instincts.
We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
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And most of you folks wanted him...
I knew his shot would suffer at the nba level
Such a slow release at the college level
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This is scary for the prospect of fultz career. He was also supposedly injured around the middle of the college season wasn’t he? Then they shut him down. I feel like he was hidden for draft purposes. They were able to sell fools gold to the sixers. Then the sixers shut him down to figure out what to do with the bust in their hand... Fultz May be a complete bust. It’s not like he can fall back on his defense... he has none at all. The draft videos only talk about his"defensive potential from his tools and length" but that only goes so far without instincts.
We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
Jeez. How does a professional sports franchise get sold a bill of goods with the #1 overall pick?
Didn't he do some shooting against a chair predraft at least?
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This is scary for the prospect of fultz career. He was also supposedly injured around the middle of the college season wasn’t he? Then they shut him down. I feel like he was hidden for draft purposes. They were able to sell fools gold to the sixers. Then the sixers shut him down to figure out what to do with the bust in their hand... Fultz May be a complete bust. It’s not like he can fall back on his defense... he has none at all. The draft videos only talk about his"defensive potential from his tools and length" but that only goes so far without instincts.
We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
Jeez. How does a professional sports franchise get sold a bill of goods with the #1 overall pick?
Didn't he do some shooting against a chair predraft at least?
From what I understand, they didn't see him play in person in their facilities until the deal was essentially done. Since he was widely expected to be the #1 overall pick, he only tried out for the Celtics. It wasn't until we heard reports that the pick was being traded that he flew to Philly to have a night time workout (remember the FEDS tweet) -- and based on the video we saw, he stunk there too. I guess Philly viewed the workout as just a formality because if I sucked in an interview I wouldn't get hired.
Gotta hand it to Ainge. He's one of those "show me" type of people. He doesn't care what the scouts say. He saw Tatum and he saw Fultz live and he knew the better player visually, knowing full well that in this town if he botched this decision he'd be crucified regardless of his past wins. I'm not sure that I would have had the balls to do that.
We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
Yeah, the closest thing I could think of in a situation like this is when Dallas traded Traylor for Dirk & Nash. It's not as good as Joe Carroll for Parish & McHale because he wasn't a bust albeit it was quite a haul.
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TRADER DANNY
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Shooting is a big concern, but Fultz is excellent at creating separation and finishing in a variety of ways.
At worse, I still think he can have a career like Tyreke Evans as a driver and distributor.
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
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Fultz is officially damaged goods. Mentally broken by the yips. Poor kid. Ainge looks like a genius, again.
"We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade"
Yep!
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Imagine if Philly had Tatum instead, plus the future pick.
Whew.
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i remember was in flames when the trade was made. i was surprised that the trade was made, mostly because of ainge and fultz appeared to be spending lots of time in boston etc. but with my very limited NCAA knowledge and with my undoubtable faith in Danny i said to myself, danny has to know what's he doing.
and once again he delivered, big time.
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Still way too soon to call a kid who's not even 20 a bust, but man it's been a rough start for Fultz. He needs to pull out of this tailspin fast, Philly's had so many high draft picks they'll be motivated to cut bait sooner than another team might. So glad we made that trade.
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
Do you feel like Philly may have been sold a bill of goods?
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Imagine if Philly had Tatum instead, plus the future pick.
Whew.
Yeah that is a scary thought. We may have single handedly stopped the process from being fully successful.
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Shooting is a big concern, but Fultz is excellent at creating separation and finishing in a variety of ways.
At worse, I still think he can have a career like Tyreke Evans as a driver and distributor.
If you watch those video you can see he can't full stretch his right arm "even in Layups"
If he doesn't fix that quick he is in trouble
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This is seriously looking like a repeat of the trade of the pick that turned into Joe Barely Cares for McHale and Parrish.
Well, that is IF the pick that conveys from Philly turns out to an All Star. So yeah, I'm getting a little ahead of myself.
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Another video of Him shooting (he's #20 in the back court)
https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/951467972660547585
Its not an isolated incident. Shot is messed up
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This is seriously looking like a repeat of the trade of the pick that turned into Joe Barely Cares for McHale and Parrish.
Well, that is IF the pick that conveys from Philly turns out to an All Star. So yeah, I'm getting a little ahead of myself.
if its Tatum and ayton/Bagley, would be perfect lol
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
These videos show the full spectrum from HS to now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GAcA0F2qvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mhy6ytZNQw
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Definitely one of the more bizarre draft stories I can recall in a while.
We hear a lot about physical evaluations of draft prospects in the run-up to the draft, but if there are extensive mental and psychiatric evaluations, we don't hear about them.
Fultz may be a situation where the talent is great but the kid's head is a mess. That tends to derail careers, though guys like that sometimes find a way back (see: Michael Beasley).
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Another video of Him shooting (he's #20 in the back court)
https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/951467972660547585
Its not an isolated incident. Shot is messed up
Body language is awful, too. He really looks like doesn't want to be there.
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Dudes.
is no one " trusting the process"???
c mon
wheres your trust???
:)
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His shot looks like Charles Barkley's golf swing.
I'll echo those who think it's too early to call a 19 year old a bust. He's got plenty of time to figure out his shot and get comfortable in the NBA and become an all star. But this is not a good start.
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Ya I'm gonna withhold judgment on whether he can shoot untill he is healthy and playing in nba games. Untill then I feel like you can see whatever you want in his warm up shot. It's way to early to judge this trade, although early returns look promising for us.
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The warning signs were there in College too. Who hides for half a season resting knees? A guy who has something to hide....
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Definitely one of the more bizarre draft stories I can recall in a while.
We hear a lot about physical evaluations of draft prospects in the run-up to the draft, but if there are extensive mental and psychiatric evaluations, we don't hear about them.
Fultz may be a situation where the talent is great but the kid's head is a mess. That tends to derail careers, though guys like that sometimes find a way back (see: Michael Beasley).
actually there was a story that brad Stevens asked Fultz high school guidance counselor to see how Fultz learns. I now wonder what they discovered
Joan Phalen, the assistant director of academic support at Fultz’s alma mater, DeMatha Catholic High School, recently received a surprising phone call from the head coach of the Boston Celtics.
“I had a wonderful conversation with Brad Stevens,” said Phalen, who worked with Fultz almost daily during his time at the private high school in Hyattsville, Md. “He was so interested in how Markelle learns, and I just thought that was an amazing concept for a coach to be interested in and concerned about. We had a great conversation.”
“[Stevens] was interested in how [Fultz] learns,” Phalen said. “How he handles disappointment when he confronts weakness in some part of his development, specifically in academics. We talked about his personality.”
Phalen said she told Stevens that Fultz, who graduated from DeMatha in 2016, displayed an unusual dedication to learning. Fultz would often ask her to meet with him at 6 a.m. on school days — nearly two hours before class started — and also on weekends.
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Definitely one of the more bizarre draft stories I can recall in a while.
We hear a lot about physical evaluations of draft prospects in the run-up to the draft, but if there are extensive mental and psychiatric evaluations, we don't hear about them.
Fultz may be a situation where the talent is great but the kid's head is a mess. That tends to derail careers, though guys like that sometimes find a way back (see: Michael Beasley).
TP. Definitely 30 for 30 material in the making.
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
Do you feel like Philly may have been sold a bill of goods?
I have no idea what happened with Fultz, I just recall he shot something like 40% from three in summer league and didn't have some weird FT motion. My guess is he was legitimately hurt and sometime during that down time he tinkered with his shot (maybe because he was hurt or maybe not) and messed it up and hasn't gotten the ship righted yet. I suspect he does at some point and that immense scoring potential he showed in college he will show again in the NBA.
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
Do you feel like Philly may have been sold a bill of goods?
I have no idea what happened with Fultz, I just recall he shot something like 40% from three in summer league and didn't have some weird FT motion. My guess is he was legitimately hurt and sometime during that down time he tinkered with his shot (maybe because he was hurt or maybe not) and messed it up and hasn't gotten the ship righted yet. I suspect he does at some point and that immense scoring potential he showed in college he will show again in the NBA.
Based on those videos, his shot is already starting to get weird during SL. But even in HS/college he tended to not put a lot of lower body in his motion, and seemed to miss short a lot. Perhaps he tried to "fix" his FTs and it all went downhill from there?
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His shot was never textbook. It would go in, in college, but so did Lonzo Ball's, and the guy basically shoots sideways like kids used to do when goofing around. The NBA line is further back, and the defense is too fast for there to be anything wrong with your mechanics.
The difference is the Lakers were wise to not tinker with it until at minimum the off season. Obviously the Sixers don't care about winning. Each season is just a show until they can yank their good players with suspect injuries while selling some memorabilia backed by a fanbase that really could care less meanwhile chanting about some fictional process like a cult.
Either the Sixers were so disinterested in Fultz that they didn't even notice a shoulder injury or an unsolicited change of shot, or it was their idea and are now trying to act as if it wasn't. Which one is it? Which of these reporters who keeps posting these videos on twitter is going to do their job and ask?
There are not enough bad words to describe the Sixers along with their fanbase that are complicit in this BS. The Sixers ownership and management must be held accountable by their fans since the league is clearly not doing it.
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We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
Completely agree. I have already said that if that Lakers pick convey's, this trade will eclipse the Brooklyn trade as Danny's greatest move ever. The Brooklyn trade required luck. This move was pure talent assessment.
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it doesnt make sense why he is still not playing. shoulder impingement isn't exactly a season ending injury if that is what he has.
this absence turned into 1 week to 3 weeks to all of a sudden months....with no real diagnosis of what is wrong. maybe its just like okafor where they knew he was a bust, he rode the bench and then they traded him.
for all the talk of the process working. Sixers sure have traded away/hidden alot of their Top picks. and while SImmons/Embiid may be good players, are they championship worthy someday? A guard who cant shoot 3's and a big(no matter how dominant he is) are not exactly what the NBA is about nowadays.
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This whole Fultz shooting/injury drama has made me raise questions about the kid's mental fortitude.
I was laughed off the forum for saying he had the yips. The kid changes his shot form more than he changes shoes.
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Sixers drafted fools gold... He was a poor shooter in high school, shooting around 60% free throws and less than 30% from 3. He was a poor free throw shooter in college. He had a good run from 3 in his freshman year, but his free throw shooting was poor, his college recruiting reports had big question marks over his shooting. He also had really poor shooting workouits prior to the draft.
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We may have traded a bust for the best rookie and we were paid a lotto pick to do this. If fultz ends up a bust, this trade goes down as lopsided as that Brooklyn trade
Completely agree. I have already said that if that Lakers pick convey's, this trade will eclipse the Brooklyn trade as Danny's greatest move ever. The Brooklyn trade required luck. This move was pure talent assessment.
And then Danny traded the 2018 BKN pick along with a package for Kyrie Irving. Man, Danny is just unstoppable lol. Cavs fans said they had the last laugh taking our BKN pick away and us sacrificing four or five players for one player.
So foolish they are...the best player in that trade is the big winner in that trade.
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I recall Fultz playing and shooting pretty well in summer league before he was shut down.
Me too. I thought he looked like he could well be a #1 pick.
Tatum was my draft fave though since Fultz's impact on winning was suspect and I thought Ball would have issues with his release. Besides, we did not need another guard.
Sixer fans are ripping him hard as well as BC for trading up for him and letting us get Tatum and a high 1st.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
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Doesn't sound like Fultz is anywhere near close to returning. That shoulder not at 100%. #Sixers
https://twitter.com/mharrisNBCS/status/952614116878843910
Brett Brown talked about Markelle Fultz being able to pass an eye test. He made a few shots when practiced opened to us. Here's a compilation of the 1-on-1 drills he was doing after practice with Brown's explanation. #Sixers
https://twitter.com/mharrisNBCS/status/952629764061384704
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Brett Brown talked about Markelle Fultz being able to pass an eye test. He made a few shots when practiced opened to us. Here's a compilation of the 1-on-1 drills he was doing after practice with Brown's explanation. #Sixers
https://twitter.com/mharrisNBCS/status/952629764061384704
Didn't listen to Brown's explanation, but that horrible shooting drill speaks for itself. SMH.
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I don't really think he is hurt.
I think he is shook.
If he is hurt, the 76ers have the absolute worst medical staff in the league.
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And most of you folks wanted him...
I knew his shot would suffer at the nba level
Such a slow release at the college level
The only person that knows how Markelle Fultz feels is Markelle Fultz.
Watch the video! Look at the footwork on the rip drives baseline.
Look at the handle. Look at scoring. Shot doesn't look broken.
Beware of misinformation.
https://youtu.be/T2DHVAnrNlk
Let's wait and see how this all turns out!
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close call ..... ;D
we almost wound up with a 1 st pick that has a bad shoulder and worse can't shoot , i personally think he is a fat boy waiting to pop ou. , and we almost kept the one legged midget.
Luck smiled on Boston.
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And most of you folks wanted him...
I knew his shot would suffer at the nba level
Such a slow release at the college level
The only person that knows how Markelle Fultz feels is Markelle Fultz.
Watch the video! Look at the footwork on the rip drives baseline.
Look at the handle. Look at scoring. Shot doesn't look broken.
Beware of misinformation.
https://youtu.be/T2DHVAnrNlk
Let's wait and see how this all turns out!
those are college highlights....not everyone translates well to the NBA. look at Okafor
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And most of you folks wanted him...
I knew his shot would suffer at the nba level
Such a slow release at the college level
The only person that knows how Markelle Fultz feels is Markelle Fultz.
Watch the video! Look at the footwork on the rip drives baseline.
Look at the handle. Look at scoring. Shot doesn't look broken.
Beware of misinformation.
https://youtu.be/T2DHVAnrNlk
Let's wait and see how this all turns out!
those are college highlights....not everyone translates well to the NBA. look at Okafor
In very limited time I actually liked what I saw of him dribbling and going to the rim quite a lot. He was finishing with both hands off both feet. Now the jump shot matters and he is not some top level passer yet so of course that doesn't show anything (and very limited time we are talking here, SL and stuff). He still has potential and it's not time to say anything definitive. Personally I think it's very hard to see him being better than Tatum but it's the draft, people are often wrong. He needs to be an impact player. They really could use him and I think he fits, in theory. However, without a jump shot I don't see how a team can work with two ball handlers who can't shoot.
I really don't know how to explain the whole thing so I'm just waiting and seeing how he turns out.
When you take it in the context of the trade, again you want to wait and see but I have a hard time seeing how the Celtics won't be the big winner, even if Fultz turns out pretty well.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/952615500198105089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23952615500198105089
If your coach is saying that, you've got serious problems with your form.
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Thing is watching the videos: sometimes he is hitching badly others not at all, which goes to show how all over the map his form is. None of them look good either way.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
lol ainge is crazy. I can’t imagine how ecstatic he was the day the 1st for 3rd and 2018/2019 pick trade offer came in
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Fultz shot poorly in sixers predraft workout, and the report is he did the same in ours
Ainge saw all of this coming and Sixers are lazy to do their own judgement, now they will suffer from it
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Well, wait Fultz come back and we can see.
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“I’m old, & I’ve never experienced anything like this.” -Brett Brown on Markelle Fultz saga.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/sixers-coach-on-markelle-fultzs-form-ive-never-experienced-anything-like-this/amp/
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Is Fultz planning on coming back soon, or are they just going to let him practice his shot in practices/drills for the next few months... :P
I think if he's not ready, they should just sit him out the rest of the year honestly.
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The crazy part about this is how just insanely random it is. Everyone loves Fultz prefraft and then he tinkers with his shot and now he may be a bust. And no, I don't think Ainge saw this all coming. There were reports that the celtics saw ver little difference between Fultz and Tatum, not that they thought Fultz was a bust. They made a good deal, but we got a little lucky that we already had an all NBA pg.
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Is Fultz planning on coming back soon, or are they just going to let him practice his shot in practices/drills for the next few months... :P
I think if he's not ready, they should just sit him out the rest of the year honestly.
On the Philly board the fans seem to think it is becoming increasingly likely he misses the whole season.
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Is Fultz planning on coming back soon, or are they just going to let him practice his shot in practices/drills for the next few months... :P
I think if he's not ready, they should just sit him out the rest of the year honestly.
On the Philly board the fans seem to think it is becoming increasingly likely he misses the whole season.
Like I'm not rooting against the guy and I don't have an agenda against him, but YIKES, it doesn't look good for Fultz for the near future at least.
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The crazy part about this is how just insanely random it is. Everyone loves Fultz prefraft and then he tinkers with his shot and now he may be a bust. And no, I don't think Ainge saw this all coming. There were reports that the celtics saw ver little difference between Fultz and Tatum, not that they thought Fultz was a bust. They made a good deal, but we got a little lucky that we already had an all NBA pg.
He certainly could not have seen these exact circumstances coming, but he likely saw better intangibles, maybe better work ethic in Tatum over Fultz. Also, it would not surprise me if he didn’t want to say bad things about Fultz, which would tip his hand.
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So there's this recap of his recent shooting:
https://www.crossingbroad.com/2018/01/sixers-notes-markelle-fultz-continues-to-shoot-a-basketball.html
Judging by how one shot looks smooth, and the next one may look as if he's a 12-year old learning how to shoot one-handed, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's all in his head. Wow.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
Don't forget the Phoenix/IT trade which was an offshoot of the Brooklyn trade and set up teh Irving trade.
The crazy thing is that, if Fultz does indeed turn out ot be a bust, not only did Danny achieve one of the most remarkable rebuilds of all time, but he also will have potentially damaged or destroyed three of our conference rivals in the process, Brooklyn, Philly, and Cleveland.
This is "There Will Be Blood"-level theft.
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_62064/subcat_111350/Shasteen%20-%20There%20Will%20Be%20Blood.jpg)
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
Don't forget the Phoenix/IT trade which was an offshoot of the Brooklyn trade.
The crazy thing is that, if Fultz does indeed turn out ot be a bust, not only did Danny achieve one of the most remarkable rebuilds of all time, but he also will have potentially damaged or destroyed three of our conference rivals in the process, Brooklyn, Philly, and Cleveland.
This is "There Will Be Blood"-level theft.
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_62064/subcat_111350/Shasteen%20-%20There%20Will%20Be%20Blood.jpg)
off-topic, but I really didnt like that movie.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
Don't forget the Phoenix/IT trade which was an offshoot of the Brooklyn trade.
The crazy thing is that, if Fultz does indeed turn out ot be a bust, not only did Danny achieve one of the most remarkable rebuilds of all time, but he also will have potentially damaged or destroyed three of our conference rivals in the process, Brooklyn, Philly, and Cleveland.
This is "There Will Be Blood"-level theft.
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_62064/subcat_111350/Shasteen%20-%20There%20Will%20Be%20Blood.jpg)
off-topic, but I really didnt like that movie.
I get that, it's not for everyone.
And it was certainly grim lol
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
Don't forget the Phoenix/IT trade which was an offshoot of the Brooklyn trade.
The crazy thing is that, if Fultz does indeed turn out ot be a bust, not only did Danny achieve one of the most remarkable rebuilds of all time, but he also will have potentially damaged or destroyed three of our conference rivals in the process, Brooklyn, Philly, and Cleveland.
This is "There Will Be Blood"-level theft.
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_62064/subcat_111350/Shasteen%20-%20There%20Will%20Be%20Blood.jpg)
off-topic, but I really didnt like that movie.
I get that, it's not for everyone.
And it was certainly grim lol
Daniel Day Lewis is obviously really really incredible in it, but I just didnt like the story.
The milkshake scene I did enjoy. I just didnt like the plot. The guy just get more and more evil for 2.5 hours.
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Wouldn’t it be ironic if one of our last pieces to one of the worst trade ever produces another one of one of the worst trades ever?
Ainge has passed the point of getting fair value. He will need to overpay in any trade. Even when we think he overpays, we come away impressed with his coup.
If he’s not Executive of the Year, I have no clue who could be. He overhauls the roster, returning just 4 from a conference finals team through two trades few have the cojones to even ponder, let alone pull the trigger on. Which means Stevens needs to be CotY, it should be the first of many. Doing what he has done since losing GH is simply incredible. /tangent
Don't forget the Phoenix/IT trade which was an offshoot of the Brooklyn trade.
The crazy thing is that, if Fultz does indeed turn out ot be a bust, not only did Danny achieve one of the most remarkable rebuilds of all time, but he also will have potentially damaged or destroyed three of our conference rivals in the process, Brooklyn, Philly, and Cleveland.
This is "There Will Be Blood"-level theft.
(http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_62064/subcat_111350/Shasteen%20-%20There%20Will%20Be%20Blood.jpg)
off-topic, but I really didnt like that movie.
I get that, it's not for everyone.
And it was certainly grim lol
Daniel Day Lewis is obviously really really incredible in it, but I just didnt like the story.
The milkshake scene I did enjoy. I just didnt like the plot. The guy just get more and more evil for 2.5 hours.
What's wrong with that? It's the same story as for a random poster on this blog during a Celtics' game loss.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
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Terrible.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
wow lol
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Bizarre.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
It's the yips, but the yips are really eating him up because he was already mentally deficient to begin with. I can't believe Ainge managed to score an extra top 5 pick for the privilege of avoiding all this.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Wow I am thinking it is now a significant chance he is never a good NBA player.
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This could be Bennett level bust
How could he ever show up In a game? It'll be hack a fultz
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Give him a few years to learn ......
or trade
Yabu for Fultz ... :)
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
The guy who said “Jesus” after that brutal second free throw. Fultz completely deceived me, but at least he deceived Philly too ;D
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Strangest hitch I've seen. I wonder if he didn't do serious nerve damage to back or shoulder and his shot will never again be good. I can't believe that is mental. That shot is worse in form than most junior high kids who don't play basketball all the time.
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Hayward is INJURED and taking spot up shots in LA right now, and his shots look WAY better than Fultz's :P
Hayward is even draining them all :o
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If he doesn't recover I'll actually feel bad. He was legit in college and for an injury to ruin his career before it starts is heartbreaking.
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it's funny that he fake acts like his arm is in pain after that really ugly shot.
It's full blown yips, and it is worse than any physical injury you can get.
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it's funny that he fake acts like his arm is in pain after that really ugly shot.
It's full blown yips, and it is worse than any physical injury you can get.
Yeah, that arm is not injured. Look at the extension he can get on layups (from the same practice session).
https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956282841872191489
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
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Oh god, that is atrocious.
Man, the Celtics may have really dodged a bullet here. Definitely looks like some Knoblauch stuff going on with the kid.
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Oh god, that is atrocious.
Man, the Celtics may have really dodged a bullet here. Definitely looks like some Knoblauch stuff going on with the kid.
I'm not sure how true the rumor was but Ainge would have taken Tatum at 1 if he didn't make the trade.
I was a huge fan of Fultz. He had a nice looking game in college. His current state is one of the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time.
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Sixers should NOT let those videos leak...
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I feel bad for Fultz. He seems like a good kid that has just had a tough go of things lately.
I was fully onboard the Fultz train, but the one reservation I had about him was the mental game, as I thought he lacked a fiery, passionate streak. Boy was that reservation validated!
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Found a video on youtube of him shooting from across the practice facility.
At least half the shots were actually JJ Reddick shooting.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
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Sixers should NOT let those videos leak...
That's not a leak, it was taken by a beat reporter during what I assume is the media availability portion of practice. I'm not sure that taking active measures to hide Fultz will be better.
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Oh god, that is atrocious.
Man, the Celtics may have really dodged a bullet here. Definitely looks like some Knoblauch stuff going on with the kid.
It has actually reminded me of Knoblauch! Good call
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
That’s why you do a fake surgery. Find a doctor, tell him to examine him. If there’s something structural, fix it. If there’s not, tell him there is and pretend to fix it. Heck, have him tell the team the same thing he tells Fultz, so they don’t know either. Even if all you’re doing is removing a benign mole, he needs to think that there was actually something holding him back. And the coaching staff does too, frankly.
I’m sure it’s probably unethical, but he needs to go into surgery thinking there’s something wrong that he’s actually having a surgical procedure to correct, and wake up being told he had the surgery with a small scar to prove it. You can’t think your way out of the yips.
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Oh god, that is atrocious.
Man, the Celtics may have really dodged a bullet here. Definitely looks like some Knoblauch stuff going on with the kid.
It has actually reminded me of Knoblauch! Good call
I was reminded of Dan Bard.
Thinking about it, it seems like baseball and golf are probably the most common examples where we see the "yips."
But has there ever been a basketball player who lost it? Even on wide open shots and free throws?
I mean maybe Nick Anderson is someone, but he never collapsed as completely as the myth tells it.
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Sixers should NOT let those videos leak...
There was no "leak". A reporter took a video and shared it. That is what they do.
But, man, that body language is bad. Then again, there were narratives out there pre-draft questioning his drive and mental makeup.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
That’s why you do a fake surgery. Find a doctor, tell him to examine him. If there’s something structural, fix it. If there’s not, tell him there is and pretend to fix it. Heck, have him tell the team the same thing he tells Fultz, so they don’t know either. Even if all you’re doing is removing a benign mole, he needs to think that there was actually something holding him back. And the coaching staff does too, frankly.
I’m sure it’s probably unethical, but he needs to go into surgery thinking there’s something wrong that he’s actually having a surgical procedure to correct, and wake up being told he had the surgery with a small scar to prove it. You can’t think your way out of the yips.
Sounds like something from black mirror
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
That’s why you do a fake surgery. Find a doctor, tell him to examine him. If there’s something structural, fix it. If there’s not, tell him there is and pretend to fix it. Heck, have him tell the team the same thing he tells Fultz, so they don’t know either. Even if all you’re doing is removing a benign mole, he needs to think that there was actually something holding him back. And the coaching staff does too, frankly.
I’m sure it’s probably unethical, but he needs to go into surgery thinking there’s something wrong that he’s actually having a surgical procedure to correct, and wake up being told he had the surgery with a small scar to prove it. You can’t think your way out of the yips.
Sounds like something from black mirror
Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
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76'ers said he was healthy just needs to get his shot back....that was a month ago. Cant really explain what it is. BUT some players just never transition to the NBA well
Look at Okafor...
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Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
Show is absolutely worthless. Lasted 1 episode in and decided I don't need this. But I digress...
About the issue at hand, surgery has a well-known placebo effect. Dan Ariely at MIT has a lot of interesting stuff in his book on irrationality. Here are some details (at 538 vis Ariely's Twitter):
https://twitter.com/danariely/status/888191183100420096
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Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
Show is absolutely worthless. Lasted 1 episode in and decided I don't need this. But I digress...
About the issue at hand, surgery has a well-known placebo effect. Dan Ariely at MIT has a lot of interesting stuff in his book on irrationality. Here are some details (at 538 vis Ariely's Twitter):
https://twitter.com/danariely/status/888191183100420096
To each their own, I guess.
Out of curiosity, which episode did you watch? You know they're stand-alones, right?
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Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
Show is absolutely worthless. Lasted 1 episode in and decided I don't need this. But I digress...
About the issue at hand, surgery has a well-known placebo effect. Dan Ariely at MIT has a lot of interesting stuff in his book on irrationality. Here are some details (at 538 vis Ariely's Twitter):
https://twitter.com/danariely/status/888191183100420096
To each their own, I guess.
Out of curiosity, which episode did you watch? You know they're stand-alones, right?
I think I started with S1, E1 (the one with the kidnapped princess and the pig). I know the episodes are standalones, but I can't binge on a show and wonder whether each subsequent episode will reach back to the gratuitous graphic grossness of E1 or not (the baseline has been established). I have too little time and too much on my TV/reading list either way.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
That’s why you do a fake surgery. Find a doctor, tell him to examine him. If there’s something structural, fix it. If there’s not, tell him there is and pretend to fix it. Heck, have him tell the team the same thing he tells Fultz, so they don’t know either. Even if all you’re doing is removing a benign mole, he needs to think that there was actually something holding him back. And the coaching staff does too, frankly.
I’m sure it’s probably unethical, but he needs to go into surgery thinking there’s something wrong that he’s actually having a surgical procedure to correct, and wake up being told he had the surgery with a small scar to prove it. You can’t think your way out of the yips.
Sounds like something from black mirror
Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
There’s no “most likely” about it; it’s counter to most of Western healthcare's moral duties and obligations, specifically informed consent.
Are the “yips” actually diagnosable empirically as a medical condition, or are they purely psychological? Doing just a little bit of research, it seems that it can go beyond mere sports psychology and involve an actual neurological dysfunction.
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https://twitter.com/jonjohnsonwip/status/956284647713001473/video/1
Good Lord, somehow his shot is looking even worse the longer this thing drags on.
This has to be the yips at this point, right?
How the hell do you develop that kind of hitch in your shot, especially in a free throw?
Yeah, it has to be the yips. That’s a career-ender, potentially.
I’d lie to the kid, tell him his shoulder is damaged and he needs surgery, and somehow find a doctor who will perform something fake for him. He needs to believe that it’s not in his head, and the “rehab” hasn’t worked to do that.
That is a good approach.
However, they have already done that, saying he has a muscle imbalance.
The kid knows whats happening to him, he is smart.
I feel bad for him.
And really good about our end of the bargain.
That’s why you do a fake surgery. Find a doctor, tell him to examine him. If there’s something structural, fix it. If there’s not, tell him there is and pretend to fix it. Heck, have him tell the team the same thing he tells Fultz, so they don’t know either. Even if all you’re doing is removing a benign mole, he needs to think that there was actually something holding him back. And the coaching staff does too, frankly.
I’m sure it’s probably unethical, but he needs to go into surgery thinking there’s something wrong that he’s actually having a surgical procedure to correct, and wake up being told he had the surgery with a small scar to prove it. You can’t think your way out of the yips.
Sounds like something from black mirror
Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
There’s no “most likely” about it; it’s counter to most of Western healthcare's moral duties and obligations, specifically informed consent.
Are the “yips” actually diagnosable empirically as a medical condition, or are they purely psychological? Doing just a little bit of research, it seems that it can go beyond mere sports psychology and involve an actual neurological dysfunction.
Or are they a diagnosable psychological disorder?
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Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
Show is absolutely worthless. Lasted 1 episode in and decided I don't need this. But I digress...
About the issue at hand, surgery has a well-known placebo effect. Dan Ariely at MIT has a lot of interesting stuff in his book on irrationality. Here are some details (at 538 vis Ariely's Twitter):
https://twitter.com/danariely/status/888191183100420096
To each their own, I guess.
Out of curiosity, which episode did you watch? You know they're stand-alones, right?
I think I started with S1, E1 (the one with the kidnapped princess and the pig). I know the episodes are standalones, but I can't binge on a show and wonder whether each subsequent episode will reach back to the gratuitous graphic grossness of E1 or not (the baseline has been established). I have too little time and too much on my TV/reading list either way.
Episode 1 was a turn-off for a lot of people (literally), and it was one of the weaker episodes overall. But the other episodes are a lot different, nothing even remotely approaches that level of grossness. There are some really creative ideas going on here, "White Christmas" in particular was unforgettable.
And, for the politically-minded, "The Waldo Moment" was a staggeringly accurate prophecy of the 2016 Presidential election.
Really a terrific show, watching season 4 right now.
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Great show. Start binging it a couple of weeks ago. Almost done with season three.
What SL is suggesting is dark and most likely unethical but it's an awesome idea.
Show is absolutely worthless. Lasted 1 episode in and decided I don't need this. But I digress...
About the issue at hand, surgery has a well-known placebo effect. Dan Ariely at MIT has a lot of interesting stuff in his book on irrationality. Here are some details (at 538 vis Ariely's Twitter):
https://twitter.com/danariely/status/888191183100420096
To each their own, I guess.
Out of curiosity, which episode did you watch? You know they're stand-alones, right?
I think I started with S1, E1 (the one with the kidnapped princess and the pig). I know the episodes are standalones, but I can't binge on a show and wonder whether each subsequent episode will reach back to the gratuitous graphic grossness of E1 or not (the baseline has been established). I have too little time and too much on my TV/reading list either way.
Episode 1 was a turn-off for a lot of people (literally), and it was one of the weaker episodes overall. But the other episodes are a lot different, nothing even remotely approaches that level of grossness. There are some really creative ideas going on here, "White Christmas" in particular was unforgettable.
And, for the politically-minded, "The Waldo Moment" was a staggeringly accurate prophecy of the 2016 Presidential election.
Really a terrific show, watching season 4 right now.
very well said kraidster agree with all of this.
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There’s no “most likely” about it; it’s counter to most of Western healthcare's moral duties and obligations, specifically informed consent.
Are the “yips” actually diagnosable empirically as a medical condition, or are they purely psychological? Doing just a little bit of research, it seems that it can go beyond mere sports psychology and involve an actual neurological dysfunction.
"Sham surgeries" have been performed (with patient consent) in the US... and have actually been demonstrated to work.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/surgery-is-one-hell-of-a-placebo/
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There’s no “most likely” about it; it’s counter to most of Western healthcare's moral duties and obligations, specifically informed consent.
Are the “yips” actually diagnosable empirically as a medical condition, or are they purely psychological? Doing just a little bit of research, it seems that it can go beyond mere sports psychology and involve an actual neurological dysfunction.
"Sham surgeries" have been performed (with patient consent) in the US... and have actually been demonstrated to work.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/surgery-is-one-hell-of-a-placebo/
Of course. It's the same rationale as the placebo effect, but from an ethical perspective consent is the crux of the issue.
It would be interesting to see Fultz consent to something like this and whether or not it would even work for something like the yips.
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Episode 1 was a turn-off for a lot of people (literally), and it was one of the weaker episodes overall. But the other episodes are a lot different, nothing even remotely approaches that level of grossness. There are some really creative ideas going on here, "White Christmas" in particular was unforgettable.
And, for the politically-minded, "The Waldo Moment" was a staggeringly accurate prophecy of the 2016 Presidential election.
Really a terrific show, watching season 4 right now.
I suspect as much, but I have no trust in a show that's already demonstrated willingness to go there.
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Sports psychologists would help, at least to some extent.. and the Sixers model of bringing along their youth slowly, though silly at times, seems to be working for the most part.
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There’s no “most likely” about it; it’s counter to most of Western healthcare's moral duties and obligations, specifically informed consent.
Are the “yips” actually diagnosable empirically as a medical condition, or are they purely psychological? Doing just a little bit of research, it seems that it can go beyond mere sports psychology and involve an actual neurological dysfunction.
"Sham surgeries" have been performed (with patient consent) in the US... and have actually been demonstrated to work.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/surgery-is-one-hell-of-a-placebo/
Of course. It's the same rationale as the placebo effect, but from an ethical perspective consent is the crux of the issue.
It would be interesting to see Fultz consent to something like this and whether or not it would even work for something like the yips.
I’d just go further with Fultz. Fultz goes to a sports psychologist, agrees to therapy. Part of the psychologist’s therapy is to tell Fultz “There’s nothing mentally wrong with you. Try seeing this doctor instead. Some of my patients have had success with him” Said doctor performs a sham surgery on Fultz, as part of the therapy that Fultz has agreed to with the psychologist. Fultz does not know the surgerywas a sham, but again, has agreed to therapy with the psychologist.
Fultz is left believing it was in fact physical, rehabs as normal, and gets rid of the yips.
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His is the weirdest story for a top pick that I've ever come across.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/see-markelle-fultz-can-shoot-video-175135054.html
Looks like his form may be back after all
Edit: and yes I know this is funny and not serious
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His is the weirdest story for a top pick that I've ever come across.
I posted about his mental problems a while back (it was obvious to me very early) and was crucified, but I guess now that it's OK to talk about, I'll give this tidbit:
He was actually not a relatively known prospect. This wasn't a LeBron where everyone knew he would be an NBA player when he was a teenager. He was cut from varsity early and started becoming a big deal his senior year in high school. He then went on to play at a relatively small basketball college program with a weak record. He's never really played on a big stage and has little accomplishment, other than being the #1 pick of course. He may have some type of inferiority complex that he doesn't belong, which is very destructive to performance. Once you trick your mind that you are not good enough, you're done. It appears that he needs serious mental help. I just hope that the Sixers have the balls to admit it or his career will be very short.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/see-markelle-fultz-can-shoot-video-175135054.html
Looks like his form may be back after all
Edit: and yes I know this is funny and not serious
If he were injured, he couldn't do that, right?
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In the meanwhile, Fultz retweeted a bunch of videos of himself making a gazillion of shots over the summer... when he still had a repeatable form on his shot. That whole thing is definitely in his head.
Also, the tweets of Celtics fans from mid-June are fun.
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Would he consider retiring?
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Brett Brown Denies Saying Markelle Fultz Suffering 'Psychosomatic Effects'
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-markelle-fultz-brett-brown-espn-20180129.html
During an ESPN telecast of the 76ers and Thunder last week, announcer Mark Jones said Brett Brown disclosed in a production meeting that Markelle Fultz has “psychosomatic effects” with his shooting.
Fultz responded on Twitter, writing “You really can’t trust NO ONE!!!”
Brown denied the characterization shared by Jones.
“I was completely misquoted,” Brown said. “There was no reference to any of that. I’ve spoken to ESPN this morning. They’re very apologetic.
“Markelle Fultz’s injury has been well documented. I have talked about this hundreds and hundreds of times.”
According to Brown, there are times when Fultz still feels pain when rising up to shoot jumpers.
“Last night’s erroneous reporting was disappointing,” he said, calling it “a poor choice of words. That was admitted. We move on.”
Brown said he doesn’t begrudge Fultz for feeling that way due to “hearing that type of reporting.”
“He knows the organization,” Brown said. “He knows me. It doesn’t require much more to be said than that. We have a responsibility to help him. I think any time there’s a poor choice of words like there was last night, do you blame him?”
I just don't understand how there is so much drama from the 76ers about a player who isn't even injured. How is this bizarre situation continuing to get more bizarre by the week? Gordon hayward is now doing crossovers and we got fultz here with no injury chilling on his couch
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I think this is alot simpler then we are making it out to be. Fultz had a great year at Washington, got drafted first overall based in part on his shooting. Fearing that his shooting that year may have been a fluke Fultz alters his shooting motion. This isn't crazy, guys often work to refine their mechanics. Hell Jaylen Browns shot has clearly changed since college. However the change in shooting motion causes an injury that prevents Futz from being able to further refine his shooting mechanics and further messes up his mechanics. The result is a completely messed up shooting motion. I dont think he has the yips, or some psychosomatic issue, he's just a guy who tried t change his shooting motion and got it so messed up.
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Fultz had a great year at Washington
He missed a lot of games that year and the great year is debatable. Did he plays the full season, nope. Did his team make the NCAA nope. It was a not a full year of empty stats.
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I think this is alot simpler then we are making it out to be. Fultz had a great year at Washington, got drafted first overall based in part on his shooting. Fearing that his shooting that year may have been a fluke Fultz alters his shooting motion. This isn't crazy, guys often work to refine their mechanics. Hell Jaylen Browns shot has clearly changed since college. However the change in shooting motion causes an injury that prevents Futz from being able to further refine his shooting mechanics and further messes up his mechanics. The result is a completely messed up shooting motion. I dont think he has the yips, or some psychosomatic issue, he's just a guy who tried t change his shooting motion and got it so messed up.
I disagree. If you change your shot and it physically pains you, you’ll revert back to your old shot.
If you think he can’t get back to his old shot, the reason isn’t physically. It’s mental.
The fact that he appears to have (or had) a hitch in his shot gives many good reason to believe it’s between the ears.
There is NOTHING simple about what’s going on with him. In fact, it’s almost unprecedented.
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Fibromyalgia
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758605-markelle-fultz-may-or-may-not-return-to-76ers-this-season-says-bryan-colangelo?share=other
Colangelo saying Fultz might be out for the year. What a mess.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758605-markelle-fultz-may-or-may-not-return-to-76ers-this-season-says-bryan-colangelo?share=other
Colangelo saying Fultz might be out for the year. What a mess.
Their medical staff needs to be investigated. That just doesn't make sense.
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I think this is alot simpler then we are making it out to be. Fultz had a great year at Washington, got drafted first overall based in part on his shooting. Fearing that his shooting that year may have been a fluke Fultz alters his shooting motion. This isn't crazy, guys often work to refine their mechanics. Hell Jaylen Browns shot has clearly changed since college. However the change in shooting motion causes an injury that prevents Futz from being able to further refine his shooting mechanics and further messes up his mechanics. The result is a completely messed up shooting motion. I dont think he has the yips, or some psychosomatic issue, he's just a guy who tried t change his shooting motion and got it so messed up.
No it's not that simple. He should never have tried to change his shot without Sixers coaching staff/trainers input (which is what we are hearing). This does point to a deeper issue.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758605-markelle-fultz-may-or-may-not-return-to-76ers-this-season-says-bryan-colangelo?share=other
Colangelo saying Fultz might be out for the year. What a mess.
Their medical staff needs to be investigated. That just doesn't make sense.
They sure are going to great lengths to avoid admitting that he just has a case of the yips. In Danny we trust!
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Seems to me , he needs to be on the court playing as much as possible , to right himself .
Playing builds confidence.
Most rookies can't shoot a lick their first year .....whtas new with that ?
soi got axe myself .....what are you the 76 's FO doing ......trying to hide him to protect THEIR reputations. Sure looks that way.
Smart ....could not shoot ...still,can 't ......but you put him n the floor and let him contribute , figure out what he needs to do to help his team , prove his worth.
Avery was terrible as a rookie , but with battle experience he got better.
Im not understanding their thinking .......seems to me they re stunning his NBAgrowth
He isn'r going tomwake up one day and be a great player .......Fultz is going to have to learn and fight for his territory like everybody else .
They are hurt n the kid ......not play n him is worse than play n.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758605-markelle-fultz-may-or-may-not-return-to-76ers-this-season-says-bryan-colangelo?share=other
Colangelo saying Fultz might be out for the year. What a mess.
Their medical staff needs to be investigated. That just doesn't make sense.
Why medical staff? He never had an injury it's been debunked many times over, including by their own front office. He has a mental problem. they should have traded him for a mid 1st to a team willing to take on junk bonds.
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Poor kid.
Mike
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758605-markelle-fultz-may-or-may-not-return-to-76ers-this-season-says-bryan-colangelo?share=other
Colangelo saying Fultz might be out for the year. What a mess.
Their medical staff needs to be investigated. That just doesn't make sense.
Why medical staff? He never had an injury it's been debunked many times over, including by their own front office. He has a mental problem. they should have traded him for a mid 1st to a team willing to take on junk bonds.
exactly
Muscle imbalance is a symptom but not a diagnosed injury
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There are only 30 games left. If Fultz isn't ready to play to a level that won't hurt their playoff chances, they should wait until next year to play him.
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I feel nothing but compassion for Fultz, who seems like a really nice young man, and also a very gifted basketball player.
I went through struggles trying to adjust my jump shot in college ball, with negative results, and eventually returned my form to how I shot in HS, when my shooting percentage improved.
Personally, I learned through the years that the most important thing about your mechanics is to not think about it. Mentally you should just be connecting to the confidence you feel when you are about to take a shot, knowing it's going to go in before you take the shot. When you think about your mechanics, you tend to tighten up, which causes you to miss. This is equally true when throwing a pass in football, or pitching in baseball.
Your brain is either your best friend or your worst enemy. Right now, it is Markelle's enemy.
Watch guys like Reggie Miller shoot. Horrible mechanics.
Watch Steph Curry shoot. He often walks away before the shot goes in, because his confidence told him it already was going in.
I'm not saying that good mechanics are not preferable to poor mechanics. But unless you are trained at an early age with good mechanics, you are probably better off just leaving them alone, particularly if you have been able to achieve great results with the sub-par mechanics.
Fultz should be reminded that he was the number one player selected in the draft with those mechanics, so he should feel confident that he can excel at this level with them. His greatness was in his ability to both shoot from the outside and penetrate and finish effortlessly. That guy is still there. He needs to go find him.
Hope he does.
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Because of what he called a “lack of muscle control and coordination of his muscles,” Colangelo said Fultz is “relearning how to shoot the basketball.”
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2/12/17002114/markelle-fultz-bryan-colangelo-philadelphia-76ers
Video: https://mobile.twitter.com/dkurtenbach/status/962395584152854528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fftw.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F02%2Fmarkelle-fultz-fultz-free-throw-sixers-shot-broken-vr-googles-virtual-reality-video-sixers
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759090-report-markelle-fultz-76ers-using-vr-goggles-to-help-with-shooting-struggles
Apparently, Fultz is using virtual reality technology (goggles) to help with his ailing shot.
YIKES. That doesn't seem good at all even long term... :o
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759090-report-markelle-fultz-76ers-using-vr-goggles-to-help-with-shooting-struggles
Apparently, Fultz is using virtual reality technology (goggles) to help with his ailing shot.
YIKES. That doesn't seem good at all even long term... :o
i can’t even stand straight with those headsets on. Lol I can’t imagine what covering your eyes and trying to learn to shoot a basketball does
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759090-report-markelle-fultz-76ers-using-vr-goggles-to-help-with-shooting-struggles
Apparently, Fultz is using virtual reality technology (goggles) to help with his ailing shot.
YIKES. That doesn't seem good at all even long term... :o
i can’t even stand straight with those headsets on. Lol I can’t imagine what covering your eyes and trying to learn to shoot a basketball does
Same here. Maybe it’s supposed to make a real hoop seem easier.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2759090-report-markelle-fultz-76ers-using-vr-goggles-to-help-with-shooting-struggles
Apparently, Fultz is using virtual reality technology (goggles) to help with his ailing shot.
YIKES. That doesn't seem good at all even long term... :o
i can’t even stand straight with those headsets on. Lol I can’t imagine what covering your eyes and trying to learn to shoot a basketball does
Same here. Maybe it’s supposed to make a real hoop seem easier.
Why don't we have video games available that use that tech? That would be awesome.
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The Sixers are reportedly using the technology to help Fultz "visualize the mechanics he'll use in a game, to remember how easy it once was for him to rise up with the ball and shoot from anywhere on the court and to be able to do so without the glare of the cameras or other people around him."
This just sounds awful. The yups are real. Giovanni Carmazzi, anyone?
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The Sixers are reportedly using the technology to help Fultz "visualize the mechanics he'll use in a game, to remember how easy it once was for him to rise up with the ball and shoot from anywhere on the court and to be able to do so without the glare of the cameras or other people around him."
This just sounds awful. The yups are real. Giovanni Carmazzi, anyone?
yea jeez this sounds insane.
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Rick Ankiel, Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, and going back further, Steve Blass and Mackey Sasser.
They call it the yips. Virtual reality is not going to help is my prediction. It seems like Fultz doesn't want to play. Really stunning.
I would tell him to shut it down completely until the season is over. Then for 2 or 3 months, he can only shoot with his left hand. Then try his right hand again. He needs a total reset.
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Rick Ankiel, Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, and going back further, Steve Blass and Mackey Sasser.
They call it the yips. Virtual reality is not going to help is my prediction. It seems like Fultz doesn't want to play. Really stunning.
I would tell him to shut it down completely until the season is over. Then for 2 or 3 months, he can only shoot with his left hand. Then try his right hand again. He needs a total reset.
I'm not sure where you are getting "doesn't want" out of all this. What does his "want" have to do with anything?
He's either physically injured or has a bad case of the yips or whatever. And he can't play. I doubt this is what he wants.
Ultimately, this thread is just full of speculations. None of us know what is going on with the kid. All we know is that in the few video tidbits his shot looks absolutely nothing like it did a year ago when he was playing for Washington.
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may e he d rather be a fireman or work for the post office.
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may e he d rather be a fireman or work for the post office.
I don't think he should work for the post office if he has the yips. The dogs can sense that and they would attack him on his routes. His contract is guaranteed so, unless it is proven he actually got this from an injury that occurred doing a non-basketball activity like BMX (some philly fans believe this), they owe him all the money. He can retire and do anything he wants.
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Along with seeing Chuck Knoblach basically forget how to throw a ball 60 feet or less to first base and Rick Ankiel forgeting how to pitch, this is one of the strangest things I have ever seen in sports
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Rick Ankiel, Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, and going back further, Steve Blass and Mackey Sasser.
They call it the yips. Virtual reality is not going to help is my prediction. It seems like Fultz doesn't want to play. Really stunning.
I would tell him to shut it down completely until the season is over. Then for 2 or 3 months, he can only shoot with his left hand. Then try his right hand again. He needs a total reset.
Knoblauch...forgot all about his sudden loss of throwing skill
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I'm optimistic for Fultzy. Related to goggles business, there's some research showing positive outcome from "solution guided imagery" among golfers.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44048480/Decreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished_20160323-30939-1lex62i.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1518574759&Signature=nrGiEcVnTHyrZXFis2Prohf1EzU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DDecreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished.pdf (https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44048480/Decreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished_20160323-30939-1lex62i.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1518574759&Signature=nrGiEcVnTHyrZXFis2Prohf1EzU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DDecreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished.pdf)
Here's an article that easy to follow that points to some other studies: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-top-athletes-suddenly-develop-yips-choke-under-pressure/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-top-athletes-suddenly-develop-yips-choke-under-pressure/)
Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
Very well could be. I know he played well in international competition, but maybe he is rattled by the big stage.
Slightly off-topic.. as kids, my brother and I made a habit of writing letters to mediocre or worse NBA players. It was both exciting and humorous -- we could reasonably hope they'd reply, and they could reasonably assume we were serious. My big score was a Hawks bumper sticker autographed by Alan Henderson; my brother outdid me with an autographed picture from Bryant 'Big Country' Reeves.
All that said, this may be a small window of time in which to communicate with a super talented ball player and seemingly interesting/quirky dude. If the door is left even slightly ajar, I may offer these links and intervention assistance free of charge. While a restraining order seems likely, Alan and Bryant have proven that miracles do happen...
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Rick Ankiel, Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, and going back further, Steve Blass and Mackey Sasser.
They call it the yips. Virtual reality is not going to help is my prediction. It seems like Fultz doesn't want to play. Really stunning.
I would tell him to shut it down completely until the season is over. Then for 2 or 3 months, he can only shoot with his left hand. Then try his right hand again. He needs a total reset.
Knoblauch...forgot all about his sudden loss of throwing skill
Sometimes you can play through them. Jon Lester couldn’t throw to 1st, but few enough players got there to matter.
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Rick Ankiel, Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, and going back further, Steve Blass and Mackey Sasser.
They call it the yips. Virtual reality is not going to help is my prediction. It seems like Fultz doesn't want to play. Really stunning.
I would tell him to shut it down completely until the season is over. Then for 2 or 3 months, he can only shoot with his left hand. Then try his right hand again. He needs a total reset.
Knoblauch...forgot all about his sudden loss of throwing skill
Sometimes you can play through them. Jon Lester couldn’t throw to 1st, but few enough players got there to matter.
Yeah, but this would be like if Lester grew terrified of his own curveball and cutter.
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I'm optimistic for Fultzy. Related to goggles business, there's some research showing positive outcome from "solution guided imagery" among golfers.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44048480/Decreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished_20160323-30939-1lex62i.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1518574759&Signature=nrGiEcVnTHyrZXFis2Prohf1EzU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DDecreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished.pdf (https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/44048480/Decreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished_20160323-30939-1lex62i.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1518574759&Signature=nrGiEcVnTHyrZXFis2Prohf1EzU%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DDecreasing_Putting_Yips_in_Accomplished.pdf)
Here's an article that easy to follow that points to some other studies: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-top-athletes-suddenly-develop-yips-choke-under-pressure/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-top-athletes-suddenly-develop-yips-choke-under-pressure/)
Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Celtics fan from Cambridge or environs over here.
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
He worked on his stroke to make it have quicker release and he messed himself up.
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
He worked on his stroke to make it have quicker release and he messed himself up.
Yes he did, and it was a bad move if he did it without consent from sixers training/coaching staff. That said, I also do not doubt the 'stage fright' theory either. His eyes are shifty during interviews and he doesn't seem like he believes his own hype.
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This whole thing has been really intriguing to me... I've never seen anything like this in the NBA before. I can see it in baseball where there's copious amount of times to think (and over think) throws in pressure situations, but basketball is a quick rhythm sport.
I honestly don't see how Fultz can come back from this. Many of the day-to-day practice videos are showing a completely different shot that isn't even remotely serviceable in the nba... even if they were going in!
Is it bad that a small part of me is secretly taking delight in this?
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Studies seem mostly golf-related. One super interesting and seemingly consistent finding is increased left hemispheric brain activity, relative to right, in athletes with the yips. It's believed to represent increased analytic thought that causes disruption when present during a task that is typically completed on "autopilot."
Commonly referred to as, "You're overthinking it". Just play the game :P
Yeah, that's pretty much it. It'll be super interesting to see how it plays out for him. Not a huge baseball fan, but in reading about some of the former pitchers & fielders listed above, some ended up 'recovering' while others were forced to retire.
It's a little weird. I can understand how it works in baseball, when you pretty much stand on a mound and wind up for as long as you want. In basketball, though, it seems you often have a split second to decide, so you more or less have to play a lot by instinct and muscle memory (so no real time for a mental "freeze").
If I were a Philly fan, I'd be worried about that little bit about the crowd and the flashlights. He went to a small school. Is the scene too big for him now?
U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
He worked on his stroke to make it have quicker release and he messed himself up.
Derek Bodner has a story on the Athletic that Fultz, with Keith Williams, worked on his shot before and after the draft. Williams denies making significant changes to Fultz's shot but does acknowledge working on a few minor alterations, including limiting the dip at the beginning of his shooting motion.
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This whole thing has been really intriguing to me... I've never seen anything like this in the NBA before. I can see it in baseball where there's copious amount of times to think (and over think) throws in pressure situations, but basketball is a quick rhythm sport.
I honestly don't see how Fultz can come back from this. Many of the day-to-day practice videos are showing a completely different shot that isn't even remotely serviceable in the nba... even if they were going in!
Is it bad that a small part of me is secretly taking delight in this?
Yes it is. Were you delighted when Embiid missed a 2nd season? Did you write him off then? Oops. Big Mistake.
No reason not to expect Fultz to come back from this even if he misses the full season. He should develop into a starter and possibly a star. Never saw him as a franchise player and obviously still don't.
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This whole thing has been really intriguing to me... I've never seen anything like this in the NBA before. I can see it in baseball where there's copious amount of times to think (and over think) throws in pressure situations, but basketball is a quick rhythm sport.
I honestly don't see how Fultz can come back from this. Many of the day-to-day practice videos are showing a completely different shot that isn't even remotely serviceable in the nba... even if they were going in!
Is it bad that a small part of me is secretly taking delight in this?
Yes it is. Were you delighted when Embiid missed a 2nd season? Did you write him off then? Oops. Big Mistake.
No reason not to expect Fultz to come back from this even if he misses the full season. He should develop into a starter and possibly a star. Never saw him as a franchise player and obviously still don't.
I don't really see what this has to do with embiid. Nobody thought embiids leg injuries were in his head
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U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
I don't know much about college hoops, but my understanding was that in basketball terms, UW is a "small" school. So I'm guessing that you get less of the proverbial spotlight there. I think that's relevant to the extent to which there's now talk that the 76ers are getting him to work out away from public scrutiny. To me that all but guarantees that this is a mental and not an injury case.
For the morbidly curious (like me), Neubek published another article in the Inquirer PhillyVoice a couple of days ago:
http://www.phillyvoice.com/what-has-really-been-going-markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-broken-jump-shot/
Not looking to gloat, though. Could happen to anyone. I mean, Tatum is already shooting ~30% from three after someone kicked his thumb some weeks ago. *cringe*
edit: Had to fix my sources because I'm an idiot...
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U of Washington is a small school? Maybe compared to Ohio State.
I'm dubious that this is a case of stage fright, given that he's played fine on the national stage before and in front of big crowds. And the problems seemed to start during last summer. Possible. But I'm skeptical.
We (public fans) will probably never really know the cause of all this.
I don't know much about college hoops, but my understanding was that in basketball terms, UW is a "small" school. So I'm guessing that you get less of the proverbial spotlight there. I think that's relevant to the extent to which there's now talk that the 76ers are getting him to work out away from public scrutiny. To me that all but guarantees that this is a mental and not an injury case.
For the morbidly curious (like me), Neubek published another article in the Inquirer PhillyVoice a couple of days ago:
http://www.phillyvoice.com/what-has-really-been-going-markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-broken-jump-shot/
Not looking to gloat, though. Could happen to anyone. I mean, Tatum is already shooting ~30% from three after someone kicked his thumb some weeks ago. *cringe*
edit: Had to fix my sources because I'm an idiot...
God, that article was long. Just stopped reading mid way through.
I feel slightly bad for Fultz. Don't feel bad for Philly though.
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God, that article was long. Just stopped reading mid way through.
I feel slightly bad for Fultz. Don't feel bad for Philly though.
Yeah, I didn't realize how long it was when I posted it. Buried somewhere in the wall of text is an interesting little tidbit about Fultz having "scapula dyskinesis" (abnormal movement of the scapula blade), which is not nearly the same as a "muscle imbalance"...
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If he wasn't the #1 and say he was a late 1st or 2nd rounder would they have cut bait already or strongly considering it?
Philly is in a tough spot because what they paid to get him. It's much harder to sell something you paid top dollar for because you want ROI.
This kid isn't hurt or Philly is the worst run organization of all of pro sports. In either case Fultz won't recover from this to be a John Wall, Kyrie Irving or even Lillard. Maybe he can become a rotation player for someone hoping they can fix him but man it aint looking good. How many times has a guy made it to the NBA and had to learn how to shoot?
Hopefully for him he just shuts everyone out and say bleep it I'm shooting the way I want no ones advice is helping me.
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This kid isn't hurt or Philly is the worst run organization of all of pro sports. In either case Fultz won't recover from this to be a John Wall, Kyrie Irving or even Lillard. Maybe he can become a rotation player for someone hoping they can fix him but man it aint looking good. How many times has a guy made it to the NBA and had to learn how to shoot?
I was clicking through the videos in that long-arse article and realized how often he hangs his head down after an ugly jumper. Makes it hard to believe he'll ever turn into a big-time scorer -- those guys essentially plow through games with the mindset that the next shot is always going in.
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conspiracy theory , Fultz plotting to get traded off Philly , so Danny can pick him up for a song. :)
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I honestly believe Fultz was injured and tried to play through it by adjusting his shot, which then in turn completely messed the kid up. He probably just doesn't know which way is up right now, but I can't believe that a kid with that much shooting talent, is forever broken. He will get it figured out at some point. Hopefully for his sake it is this year or it will be a very long off season for him and he may not actually ever recover.
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I honestly believe Fultz was injured and tried to play through it by adjusting his shot, which then in turn completely messed the kid up. He probably just doesn't know which way is up right now, but I can't believe that a kid with that much shooting talent, is forever broken. He will get it figured out at some point. Hopefully for his sake it is this year or it will be a very long off season for him and he may not actually ever recover.
His trainer has admitted that they began tweaking his shot to get rid of a hitch prior to any claim of a shoulder injury. Maybe the new form led to a shoulder injury. Maybe the new form led to a brain injury.
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The alleged Colangelo comments about this are strange
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yea he was shooting from laying on his back? Sounds like a sick joke...
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This kid isn't hurt or Philly is the worst run organization of all of pro sports. In either case Fultz won't recover from this to be a John Wall, Kyrie Irving or even Lillard. Maybe he can become a rotation player for someone hoping they can fix him but man it aint looking good. How many times has a guy made it to the NBA and had to learn how to shoot?
I was clicking through the videos in that long-arse article and realized how often he hangs his head down after an ugly jumper. Makes it hard to believe he'll ever turn into a big-time scorer -- those guys essentially plow through games with the mindset that the next shot is always going in.
I have to think Philly or Boston would've been the best spots for him to be drafted, considering the fact that Brown or Stevens can at least fix his shot and instill confidence. If he went to a bottom feeding team, I don't think he would be riding the pine and losing any semblance of whatever confidence he has left.
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I guess the debate is finally over.
With Markelle, obviously he had one of the most, you know, documented cases of kind of the yips in basketball in recent years, where he completely forgot how to shoot, and had multiple hitches in his shot. So for me, it was, hey, listen, how can I get this kid who was No. 1 in last year’s draft back rolling and get him to the point where he was before, if not better?
-Drew Hanlen
https://sports.yahoo.com/skills-trainer-drew-hanlen-76ers-guard-markelle-fultz-yips-completely-forgot-shoot-204147182.html
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I guess the debate is finally over.
With Markelle, obviously he had one of the most, you know, documented cases of kind of the yips in basketball in recent years, where he completely forgot how to shoot, and had multiple hitches in his shot. So for me, it was, hey, listen, how can I get this kid who was No. 1 in last year’s draft back rolling and get him to the point where he was before, if not better?
-Drew Hanlen
https://sports.yahoo.com/skills-trainer-drew-hanlen-76ers-guard-markelle-fultz-yips-completely-forgot-shoot-204147182.html
I think this is so interesting. If he ever gets past this, I think he can still be an all star but at this point he might need a therapist more than a shooting coach. I hope that doesn't sounds flippant or insulting but if this has truly been mental and not physical, this might be the case.
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This kid isn't hurt or Philly is the worst run organization of all of pro sports. In either case Fultz won't recover from this to be a John Wall, Kyrie Irving or even Lillard. Maybe he can become a rotation player for someone hoping they can fix him but man it aint looking good. How many times has a guy made it to the NBA and had to learn how to shoot?
I was clicking through the videos in that long-arse article and realized how often he hangs his head down after an ugly jumper. Makes it hard to believe he'll ever turn into a big-time scorer -- those guys essentially plow through games with the mindset that the next shot is always going in.
I have to think Philly or Boston would've been the best spots for him to be drafted, considering the fact that Brown or Stevens can at least fix his shot and instill confidence. If he went to a bottom feeding team, I don't think he would be riding the pine and losing any semblance of whatever confidence he has left.
He's very lucky he went to Philly.
If he were on a typical tanking team that spent the #1 pick on him the pressure would be so high.
In Philly they have 2 other young stars and are winning without him so there's less scrutiny
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There was a reason they hid him for half a year prior to the draft.
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Before the draft, while coming to grips with Danny’s decision to trade fultz, I compared fultz to Michael Beasley. Something about him just seemed off. Of course, I never would have imagined this. Something just seems off about the kid.
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This kid isn't hurt or Philly is the worst run organization of all of pro sports. In either case Fultz won't recover from this to be a John Wall, Kyrie Irving or even Lillard. Maybe he can become a rotation player for someone hoping they can fix him but man it aint looking good. How many times has a guy made it to the NBA and had to learn how to shoot?
I was clicking through the videos in that long-arse article and realized how often he hangs his head down after an ugly jumper. Makes it hard to believe he'll ever turn into a big-time scorer -- those guys essentially plow through games with the mindset that the next shot is always going in.
I have to think Philly or Boston would've been the best spots for him to be drafted, considering the fact that Brown or Stevens can at least fix his shot and instill confidence. If he went to a bottom feeding team, I don't think he would be riding the pine and losing any semblance of whatever confidence he has left.
He's very lucky he went to Philly.
If he were on a typical tanking team that spent the #1 pick on him the pressure would be so high.
In Philly they have 2 other young stars and are winning without him so there's less scrutiny
they cashed in 2 lottery picks to draft a guy who forgot how to shoot lol
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-remain-patient-markelle-fultz-shooting-brett-brown-drew-hanlen-20180624.html?mobi=true (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/sixers-remain-patient-markelle-fultz-shooting-brett-brown-drew-hanlen-20180624.html?mobi=true)
So the great shooting trainer Hanlen says Fultz's problem is YIPS(he competently forgot his shot), and that they are way ahead of schedule and his shot will be perfect come summer league
But...doesn't this sound strange?
If Fultz's problem is YIPS (means it's mental), shouldn't they find a Psycotherapist rather than a shooting coach? because what Fultz need to do is to remember his shot, not rebuild it, even you successfuly rebuild the shot, as long as the mental doesn't get fixed he will likely forget it again(just like that).
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Not going to work
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Very odd
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Off course they have to rebuild his shot. He made changes to improve it and totally screwed it up so much it became mental too. Hanlen references multiple hitches.
"With Markelle, obviously he has one of the most documented cases of kind of the yips of basketball in recent years, where he completely forgot how to shoot and had multiple hitches in his shot,"
The fact that Hanlen is speaking out shows he's confident of success and that is confirmed by his quotes.
"We’ve been working hard every day, working on rewiring his body and getting a kind of smooth stroke back into his shot,"
"We’re way ahead of pace where I thought we were going to be, I thought it was going to take me at least six weeks before we had kind of a serviceable jump shot, and we’re already starting to shoot with a jump in week two. It’s not perfect yet, but I think by the end of the summer it will be perfect."
If Hanlen weren't confident, he'd be a lot more reserved in his quotes.
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I'd buy it, I like what drew has done for people I see him working out but I also didn't believe Fultz was a lost cause anyway.
I will say this though, all the videos they post are of fultz dunking though, so it's a wait and see thing for me.
I wish him luck.
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If it is YIPS I wonder how is his putting going?
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Discussed in this thread about Fultz already.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95012.0
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Off course they have to rebuild his shot. He made changes to improve it and totally screwed it up so much it became mental too. Hanlen references multiple hitches.
"With Markelle, obviously he has one of the most documented cases of kind of the yips of basketball in recent years, where he completely forgot how to shoot and had multiple hitches in his shot,"
The fact that Hanlen is speaking out shows he's confident of success and that is confirmed by his quotes.
"We’ve been working hard every day, working on rewiring his body and getting a kind of smooth stroke back into his shot,"
"We’re way ahead of pace where I thought we were going to be, I thought it was going to take me at least six weeks before we had kind of a serviceable jump shot, and we’re already starting to shoot with a jump in week two. It’s not perfect yet, but I think by the end of the summer it will be perfect."
If Hanlen weren't confident, he'd be a lot more reserved in his quotes.
I'm shocked that you would try to put a positive spin on something Philly related.
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Good luck with that. Prior to the deal with Philly, when it appeared the C's would take him, I looked into his eyes and I saw...nothing.
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If Fultz's problem is YIPS (means it's mental), shouldn't they find a Psycotherapist rather than a shooting coach? because what Fultz need to do is to remember his shot, not rebuild it, even you successfuly rebuild the shot, as long as the mental doesn't get fixed he will likely forget it again(just like that).
I'd imagine Hanlen has a sports psychologist on his team. Definitely an important part of Fultz's improvement, as you said.
Not going to work
I think there's reason for more optimism. He's very talented and still so young. Age of beginning any form of treatment for psych challenges is one of the best predictors of outcome. I hope he does figure it out, seems like a good kid.
I'd buy it, I like what drew has done for people I see him working out but I also didn't believe Fultz was a lost cause anyway.
I will say this though, all the videos they post are of fultz dunking though, so it's a wait and see thing for me.
I wish him luck.
Baby steps. :) and me too. Both and good kid and I'd like to see our rivalry reborn.
Discussed in this thread about Fultz already.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95012.0
Have you ever had initiative that did not result in great success?
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i forgot how to ride a bicycle...
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I'm just glad he's not our problem. But I do find it humorous that Hanlen is trash-talking him by saying he thinks Tatum was the best player in that draft.
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i forgot how to ride a bicycle...
Never too late, my friend.
Or how about a motorcycle?
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/7058/ao8Gam.jpg)
I'm ironically in a Harley Davidson store in Chambersberg, VA right now en route to a new home in NH. I'll buy you a t shirt to help get you started.
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Imagine buying a Ferrari and taking it home and discovering it has no engine or transmission. That is Fultz in a nutshell. Learning how to shoot from scratch is crazy on so many levels. How is this even possible?
I hope he makes it back but on a different team in the future.
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I can't get that image of Danny and Flutz at Chipotle out of my mind.
It makes me shudder.
Thank God, we did not draft him.
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I can't get that image of Danny and Flutz at Chipotle out of my mind.
It makes me shudder.
Thank God, we did not draft him.
It wasn't at Chipotle, it was at b.good. If Fultz chose Chipotle instead, we probably would have drafted him :P
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I'm not convinced Fultz's career is over. If the 76ers want to get rid of him for like let's say our draft pick for next year I would totally be down to take it.
Fultz can still be a great player in this league, I honestly think the 76ers dont have a good developmental team. Look at how Simmons has progressed but no shooting whatsoever. The. basic fundamentals of NBA offense isn't being taught. Like what?
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I'm not convinced Fultz's career is over. If the 76ers want to get rid of him for like let's say our draft pick for next year I would totally be down to take it.
Fultz can still be a great player in this league, I honestly think the 76ers dont have a good developmental team. Look at how Simmons has progressed but no shooting whatsoever. The. basic fundamentals of NBA offense isn't being taught. Like what?
he is a terrible basketball player, and you would trade a lottery pick for him? Wow. He couldn't even get pt in the playoffs because he's a net negative. He forgot how to shoot, which is somewould a bust would do
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I can't get that image of Danny and Flutz at Chipotle out of my mind.
It makes me shudder.
Thank God, we did not draft him.
It wasn't at Chipotle, it was at b.good. If Fultz chose Chipotle instead, we probably would have drafted him :P
b.good still make really good fries?