Poll: Re-Draft Marcus or Julius

[johnnygreen]

Marcus has started in 53 out of 88 playoff games. Julius had started and played in only 5 such games. While Marcus wasn't the best player for those 88 playoff games, he certainly was part of the fabric that made those teams good. On the other hand, if Julius is the teams best player, that may be a good reason he's only played in 5 playoff games. To me, he is the classic case of putting up personal numbers ahead of team success (ala Westbrook).

I think what Marcus brings to the table is more valuable to playoff team success, than what Randle would bring to this team.

I also don't think the snowball effect of how the team drafted and signed free agents since that draft can be ignored. And while the Celtics do have Brogdon and White as point guards, it is that very reason why the Celtics are considered one of the favorites to win it all (quality depth).

[Atzar]

Randle is a significantly better player than Smart at this point in their respective careers.  That’s different than saying we should have picked him in a redraft, though.

Randle didn’t do all that much early on in his career.  He was an empty stats guy for LAL and then he left for a one-year deal with NOP.  I’d definitely take 9+ years of Smart, frustrations and all, over 4 mediocre years from Randle.  There’s an entire rabbit hole of speculation to be explored here about whether he’d have developed quicker and re-signed in Boston had things gone that way but I’m not in the mood. 

[CelticsWhat35]

I definitely wanted Smart over Randle at the time.  Randle seemed to me as a guy getting by on his size and athleticism in college and I didn’t think it would translate in the pros.  His Laker career was proving that out, but to his credit, he’s made great strides and yes I would select him if I had a do-over.  Although who’s to say that his crappy stint in LA wouldn’t have just been replicated in Boston? 

[liam]

Can we get a third choice?

[Donoghus]

Can we get a third choice?

Elfrid Peyton.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=75597.0

[liam]

Can we get a third choice?

Elfrid Peyton.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=75597.0

That's a choice?

 

[liam]

Can we get Nikola Jokić? It's the only draft I can remember where the 2nd round has better players than the first.

[liam]

How about Spencer Dinwiddie or Jerami Grant, Jordan Clarkson, or Jordan Clarkson all second rounders...

[slamtheking]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

Guess there is still hope for the guy who used run around here screaming about Elfrid Payton being superior to Smart.

did he actually believe that?  wonder why that gem isn't being pushed.

100% he did.  He also managed to get himself tossed from this forum sometime around 2017 or 2018.

well, might as well follow up an old bad hot take with a new bad hot take I suppose

[KG Living Legend]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

 It does take this long to see if a player has reached his peak. Do u think Marcus is getting any better? Randle may still be getting better but he's about hit his peak.

 And That's what your supposed to do as a GM. Who is going to be the best player in 5 to 10 years. 

 The answer back then was Randle. The answer now is Randle. Do you duspute this fact Slam?

 Also Randle has been the better player for many years now. I was waiting for Marcus to reach his peak. I was proud of Smart this year, but hes not getting better so the discussion is over its Randle.

 Randle and Brunson are a top 5 Duo in the leauge this year. Smart would never be in a top Duo conversation any year.

[Moranis]

It is an interesting question really.

Randle has played in slightly more regular season games, but if you include the playoffs, Smart has played in more.  During the regular season Randle has 39.3 win shares vs. 32.6 for Smart.  Randle has made the all star team 2 times, 1 2nd Team All NBA, and finished 8th in MVP voting in a season, while Smart has the DPOY and 3 1st Team All Defense.  Randle has 7 seasons of top 20 rpg finishes, 3 top 20 ppg finishes, and even 1 season of a top 20 apg.  Smart has 2 seasons of top 20 apg and 4 seasons of top spg. 

So it basically boils down to would you rather have the defensive specialist or the more well rounded player.  I'm not sure there is an easy answer to that question.  I do think if you redid that draft though, that Randle would go higher on more teams boards since he produces more statistically.

It is a pretty interesting draft when you really look back on it.  Obviously in a redraft you'd have Embiid and Jokic (or Jokic and Embiid) going 1 and 2, but after that you could have maybe 10 different players be in consideration at 3.  Smart and Randle obviously, but then you've got Wiggins, Capela, Gordon, LaVine, Dinwiddie, Nurkic, Grant, Bogdanovic.  Then a 2nd group of guys like Powell, Anderson, Warren, Harris, other Harris, Clarkson.  Strange draft with the 2 all timers at center and then really a whole lot of meh. 

[Who]

Smart over Randle.

Randle only has a few seasons of playing winning basketball. He is a below average player and often a well below average for a large chunk of his career. Smart has been a winning player since the day he entered the league.

Randle has played very well in 2 of his last 3 NYK seasons. However, he is playing a role of a volume scorer. It is unclear how well he would do if playing next to other star players. Would his game drop off? Would he become more efficient in less touches? Is he a 20ppg scorer? Or a 15ppg scorer?

Smart is a guy who has a clear role on winning teams as a starting PG, starting SG or 6th man backup combo guard. Randle is still a question mark. His two best seasons are on a .500 Knicks team and an above .500 Knicks team that have no hope of postseason success where he is allowed monopolize the ball because of the lack of star talent around him.

[keevsnick]

It a vacuum I think you could argue Randle. The guy has been inconsistent but his ceiling is really good.

For a team like Boston that already has two great scorers, I think Marcus is a better fit.

Its close.

[KG Living Legend]

It a vacuum I think you could argue Randle. The guy has been inconsistent but his ceiling is really good.

For a team like Boston that already has two great scorers, I think Marcus is a better fit.

Its close.

 Brogdon has been good, but the Celtics need a legit #3 option.  Imagine Randle on the Celtics last year. Could have been the difference with Tatums struggles.

[celticsclay]

 You are supposed to draft for upside and i always thought Randle at 6'8" 250 pounds with a great handle, strength and is a plus athlete. Thought he had the most upside.

Results are in now. Nine years later who do you got? I think Randle, Tatum,  Brown  would be good. Just hard to share the ball.

 I thought it was an easy decision to, but that's just me.

Now?  what a joke.  waiting 9 years to feel you've been proven right about a draft selection we didn't make. 

I take Smart because he's had the most impactful career to date.  He hasn't been dismissed because he doesn't give a full effort or play defense which is exactly been what's dogged Randle his entire career. 

However, if you want to judge them based on just this year, sure, Randle's the better player and with the other guards on our team, swapping Randle for Smart would fill a whole at PF on offense and rebounding though I'm not sold his defense would be as good as Al's.

 It does take this long to see if a player has reached his peak. Do u think Marcus is getting any better? Randle may still be getting better but he's about hit his peak.

 And That's what your supposed to do as a GM. Who is going to be the best player in 5 to 10 years. 

 The answer back then was Randle. The answer now is Randle. Do you duspute this fact Slam?

 Also Randle has been the better player for many years now. I was waiting for Marcus to reach his peak. I was proud of Smart this year, but hes not getting better so the discussion is over its Randle.

 Randle and Brunson are a top 5 Duo in the leauge this year. Smart would never be in a top Duo conversation any year.

Just curious which of these duos you have Brunson and randle ahead of.

Harden and Embid
Giannis and holiday
Brown Tatum
Booker and Durant
Leonard and George
Luka and irving
On the rare times they play Lebron and AD


I mean are they better than sabonis and fox?