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GOAT: Jordan or James?
« on: July 14, 2022, 10:32:33 PM »

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It’s game seven of the NBA Finals. You are down one point with seconds to go. Who do you want taking the final shot for your team: The 6X NBA Finals MVP who’s 6-0 in the Finals, or the guy who’s 4-6 in the Finals?

By the way, 10X scoring champion is ten times more scoring titles than a single scoring title in 2008. The former happened when hand-checking was still legal (does anybody seriously doubt MJ would own the all-time scoring record forever had he played in an era without hand-checking?)

And for us lovers of defense, in case you have forgotten how elite MJ was on D: 9X NBA all-defensive player, 3X leader in steals and the only shooting guard to win Defensive Player of the Year in the last 34 years? The comp is 5X NBA all-defensive player, no steals leader titles, no DPOY accolades…

The time to catch up on accolades is pretty much over, and he’s never been above 50% in his Finals record, let alone undefeated at 6-0 like MJ…

I rest my case, your Honor.
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Re: GOAT: Jordan or James?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2022, 10:34:02 PM »

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Re: GOAT: Jordan or James?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2022, 10:34:03 PM »

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LBJ or Jordan is the lowest form of NBA conversation
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2022, 10:34:54 PM »

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Quote from: perks-a-beast on July 14, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
LBJ or Jordan is the lowest form of NBA conversation

Bird!

I'd also take Magic, Kareem, or Russell over those guys...
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2022, 10:38:15 PM »

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Quote from: liam on July 14, 2022, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: perks-a-beast on July 14, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
LBJ or Jordan is the lowest form of NBA conversation

Bird!

I'd also take Magic, Kareem, or Russell over those guys...
You would take Magic over Jordan? Wow.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM »

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I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2022, 10:45:00 PM »

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Quote from: gouki88 on July 14, 2022, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: liam on July 14, 2022, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: perks-a-beast on July 14, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
LBJ or Jordan is the lowest form of NBA conversation

Bird!

I'd also take Magic, Kareem, or Russell over those guys...
You would take Magic over Jordan? Wow.

Yeah, I would definitely take Magic over Jordan. You have to build your team around Jordan but Magic can fit in with any team same as Bird.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2022, 10:45:44 PM »

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Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….

MJ would've had Reggie...rip.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2022, 10:46:50 PM »

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Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….
Russ
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Jordan
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2022, 10:49:29 PM »

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Quote from: liam on July 14, 2022, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….

MJ would've had Reggie...rip.
should have been a Bias/Reggie led C's against a Jordan/Pippen led Bulls.  C's have those 2 and I'm not so sure the Pistons and Bulls win their title in the late 80's and 90's or even the Lakers winning back to back in the late 80's either.  C's did have Reggie but adding Bias, at his anticipated skill level, would have made a huge difference
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2022, 10:50:35 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on July 14, 2022, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….
Russ
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Jordan

I'd put also Bernard King over Jordan if he could've ever been healthy. I also put Oscar over Jordan. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan. He was the biggest selling NBA product but he was also the first guy to get away with traveling and palming and pushing guys out of his way without getting called for it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2022, 10:58:32 PM »

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Reggie would have blocked Jordan's shot and Bias would have scored.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2022, 11:01:37 PM »

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Quote from: liam on July 14, 2022, 10:50:35 PM
Quote from: slamtheking on July 14, 2022, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….
Russ
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Jordan

I'd put also Bernard King over Jordan if he could've ever been healthy. I also put Oscar over Jordan. I'm not the biggest Jordan fan. He was the biggest selling NBA product but he was also the first guy to get away with traveling and palming and pushing guys out of his way without getting called for it.
That is an astonishing take
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2022, 11:05:18 PM »

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GOAT: Russell

2nd: Jordan
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2022, 11:25:01 PM »

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Quote from: slamtheking on July 14, 2022, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: csfansince60s on July 14, 2022, 10:42:55 PM
I want Steph taking a shot with my life on the line. That’s not a GOAT.

GOAT ranking:

Russ
Magic
Bird
Jordan

Russ had Wilt,

Magic had Bird

Who did MJ have? Len Bias was going to be the one….
Russ
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Jordan

Wilt second? Not even close. Could have been the best all-time, but didn't have the will that Russ, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Lebron, and a host of other elite talents had. The most single-minded stat chaser I've seen among the elites. 100-point game and led the NBA in assists, but only had two championships despite playing with a lot of stars on his teams.
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