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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #810 on: August 25, 2022, 12:49:56 PM »

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I have a feeling we're about to see a whole bunch of NBA players pull out of any remaining pro-ams. Maybe involuntarily, but it's going to happen.

He's not wrong.

Just an alternate opinion, but it seems to me that pro basketball players have to be able to play a lot of basketball.

Yeah, you can't lock these guys in a freezer for the summer and hope they will be good to go for the season. They always need to be playing basketball. Just a terrible injury for the guy, though - really sucks for him.

Chet purposely tanked his workout for Orlando (why on earth would anyone choose OKC over Orlando?), so I guess they are probably feeling a lot better about their choice right now.

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #811 on: August 25, 2022, 01:01:46 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #812 on: August 25, 2022, 01:17:32 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?

Why should somebody bat an eye about it?  Their top prospect just severely injured his foot. 

Also, the Sixers tear down lasted at least five full seasons, beginning with the Iguodala-for-Bynum trade.  This will only be year three for the Thunder.


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« Reply #813 on: August 25, 2022, 01:38:01 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?
OKC's approach doesn't come across as sleazy as Philly's did.  Same with Houston - seemingly not as sleazy as Philly

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #814 on: August 25, 2022, 01:42:41 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?

Why should somebody bat an eye about it?  Their top prospect just severely injured his foot. 

Also, the Sixers tear down lasted at least five full seasons, beginning with the Iguodala-for-Bynum trade.  This will only be year three for the Thunder.
No one has ever started the process at that season.  Heck Hinkie wasn't even hired until the year after that trade.  A trade mind you that the Sixers were giving up 1st round picks for.  Tear down trades don't involve teams giving up 1st round picks.  Now Bynum never playing for the Sixers certainly accelerated the need to tear it down, but that was not the start of the process.  That started the following season after the Sixers won 34 games.  Hinkie was on the Sixers less than 3 years.  That is the process.  Less than 3 years. 
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« Reply #815 on: August 25, 2022, 01:48:23 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?

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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #816 on: August 25, 2022, 01:49:37 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?

Why should somebody bat an eye about it?  Their top prospect just severely injured his foot. 

Also, the Sixers tear down lasted at least five full seasons, beginning with the Iguodala-for-Bynum trade.  This will only be year three for the Thunder.
No one has ever started the process at that season.  Heck Hinkie wasn't even hired until the year after that trade.  A trade mind you that the Sixers were giving up 1st round picks for.  Tear down trades don't involve teams giving up 1st round picks.  Now Bynum never playing for the Sixers certainly accelerated the need to tear it down, but that was not the start of the process.  That started the following season after the Sixers won 34 games.  Hinkie was on the Sixers less than 3 years.  That is the process.  Less than 3 years.

So when did the Process start, and when did it end?

Start it with the Holiday trade, if you want.  Wins totals:

2014: 19
2015: 18
2016: 10

You're saying they ended their rebuild *after* they won 10 games? 


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« Reply #817 on: August 25, 2022, 03:13:50 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?

Why should somebody bat an eye about it?  Their top prospect just severely injured his foot. 

Also, the Sixers tear down lasted at least five full seasons, beginning with the Iguodala-for-Bynum trade.  This will only be year three for the Thunder.
No one has ever started the process at that season.  Heck Hinkie wasn't even hired until the year after that trade.  A trade mind you that the Sixers were giving up 1st round picks for.  Tear down trades don't involve teams giving up 1st round picks.  Now Bynum never playing for the Sixers certainly accelerated the need to tear it down, but that was not the start of the process.  That started the following season after the Sixers won 34 games.  Hinkie was on the Sixers less than 3 years.  That is the process.  Less than 3 years.

So when did the Process start, and when did it end?

Start it with the Holiday trade, if you want.  Wins totals:

2014: 19
2015: 18
2016: 10

You're saying they ended their rebuild *after* they won 10 games?
They obviously only won 28 games the next year, but Embiid got hurt and played just 31 games (13-18 with him) in his rookie year.  They did however sign a number of veterans that season - i.e. Ilyasova, Henderson, Rodriguez, Splitter (got hurt), and Bayless (got hurt), so they were clearly trying to build a veteran team around what they presumed to be their 2 star rookies (Simmons got hurt in summer league after many of those signings and Embiid got hurt about mid-season).  Embiid getting hurt fully shifted their focus and they tanked the end of that year (traded guys like Ilyasova, didn't bring Simmons back when he could have played, etc.).  If Simmons and Embiid don't get hurt there is a very good chance they make the post season the 16-17 season, just as they did in 17-18 when they won 52 games and made the 2nd round (they added Redick prior to the season then brought back Ilyasova and signed Belinelli at the deadline).

Edit: So yeah, I think they were going for it after the 10 win season, then injuries happened and they ended up tanking the end of that season, but they clearly were done tanking after that winning 52 games in the 5th season after the Holiday trade.

The Process was always overblown in large part because of how open the Sixers were about it.  But teams have been tanking for multiple seasons for years, heck the Sonics/Thunder did it basically starting with the Ray Allen trade for about the same time as the Sixers Process.  The Thunder are doing it again.  Houston is doing it now as well.  Dallas started a 10 year playoff drought with 4 seasons of 28, 22,11, and 13 wins.  Then they won 36 only to go 26, 24, 20, and 19 before finally hitting 40 and making the playoffs at 53 (when Dirk started to come into his own). 
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« Reply #818 on: August 25, 2022, 03:22:10 PM »

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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?
OKC's approach doesn't come across as sleazy as Philly's did.  Same with Houston - seemingly not as sleazy as Philly

Philly was open about it, that’s the only difference
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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?
OKC's approach doesn't come across as sleazy as Philly's did.  Same with Houston - seemingly not as sleazy as Philly

Philly I as open about it, that’s the only difference
I think that is correct.  But as I put in the post above, teams have been tanking since the advent of the draft.  Another team, look at the Bulls after Jordan retired the 2nd time.  13 wins (50 game season), 17 wins, 15 wins, 21 wins up to 30 wins and then back down to 23 wins before finally coming out of it. 
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well looks like OKC will surpass the Sixers tank job now and no one bats an eye about it.  How the times have changed?
OKC's approach doesn't come across as sleazy as Philly's did.  Same with Houston - seemingly not as sleazy as Philly

Philly I as open about it, that’s the only difference
I think that is correct.  But as I put in the post above, teams have been tanking since the advent of the draft.  Another team, look at the Bulls after Jordan retired the 2nd time.  13 wins (50 game season), 17 wins, 15 wins, 21 wins up to 30 wins and then back down to 23 wins before finally coming out of it.

No question. The Celtics were in no way above the fray either. Particularly the Duncan and Oden years.

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« Reply #821 on: August 25, 2022, 03:57:33 PM »

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What does a rookie getting injured in a freak off-season incident have to do with a teams intent to tank? I get If you are intentionally signing or drafting a guy that is going to be missing the year that could be considered a tank. But they drafted a healthy guy.

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This may have been the play where the injury occurred.

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« Reply #823 on: August 25, 2022, 04:58:21 PM »

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This may have been the play where the injury occurred.

https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1561166796278976513


The play where he landed awkwardly and was hopping on one foot in pain? Think you might be on to something… :laugh:

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« Reply #824 on: August 25, 2022, 09:09:55 PM »

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Woj: The Los Angeles Lakers are in advanced talks on a trade to acquire Utah Jazz guard Patrick Beverley for Talen Horton-Tucker and Stanley Johnson, sources tell ESPN. Deal could be finalized as soon as Thursday.

Woah. Interesting. So he's taking some of Westbrook's minutes?

Lebron’s commitment (signing the extension) is the precursor to a Westbrook’s trade. Whether it’s for the Pacers package or another, I expect a Westbrook trade soon.

LA just trying to mitigate cost now (probably negotiating to put protections on the pick(s) they gave up.

Adding Beverly is a great win now move for the Lakers; elite glue guy, motor, defender, and good 3PT shooter. With Beverly they regained what they lost with Caruso’s exit.

Hield and Turner for Westbrook can make the Lakers a contender. Goes without saying, I like our chances against anyone.

Yea Pat Bev is like the opposite of AD, not very talented but "earned" his place in the nba