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Title: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 27, 2012, 11:32:38 AM
2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman

Two questions:

1. Which one has the highest N.A. box office (I think it is pretty clear the new Spiderman will finish 3rd, but really have no idea with batman or the avengers)?

2. If you could only go to one in the theater, which would it be?
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: wdleehi on April 27, 2012, 11:41:54 AM
1)  Batman
2) Spiderman 
3) Avengers

Every Spiderman movie has earned more money then the other Marvel movies. 


It might be Spiderman if it has good reviews just to see the 3d web swinging.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Donoghus on April 27, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
Batman:  Dark Knight Rises.  Not even a question.

In terms of box office gross?

1) Batman
2) Avengers
3) Spiderman

I feel pretty confident about Batman @ #1 but wouldn't exactly be shocked if 2 and 3 flip-flopped, either.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 27, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
The new Spiderman will flop, I think.  Not a lot of positive buzz around it.  The market's pretty saturated with superhero movies, and people aren't going to be too excited about a reboot of a series that started 10 years ago.

Batman will make a boatload of money, and Avengers will probably do well too, but not quite as well.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 27, 2012, 11:58:44 AM
Agree it will be:

1) Batman
2) Avengers
3) Spiderman

I am a diehard comic fan and I do not plan on going to see Spiderman Reboot.   Too early for a reboot and I liked the other ones.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: wdleehi on April 27, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
On the top 50 highest grossing films of all time, there are only 4 comic book movies.


the Dark Knight is # 11

Spiderman 3 is #22

Spiderman is #30

Spiderman 2 is #36.


Spiderman is Marvel's version of Batman/Superman.  It will outsell the the other Marvel movies.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Rondo2287 on April 27, 2012, 12:23:15 PM
The new Spiderman will flop, I think.  Not a lot of positive buzz around it.  The market's pretty saturated with superhero movies, and people aren't going to be too excited about a reboot of a series that started 10 years ago.

Batman will make a boatload of money, and Avengers will probably do well too, but not quite as well.

One factor here, The female lead being played by Emma Stone.  My girlfriend wants to see it just because of that, then the other night she talked about it when we were out with friends and several other girls agreed.  Could be an x-factor
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Post by: CelticHooligan3 on April 27, 2012, 12:48:39 PM
Any rumors on the "Hobbit"? I heard Peter Jackson shot it at 48 shots per second or something and that for some fans that was a major drawback. They complained it looked too much like actually being on the movie set. Ill be interested to see if i can notice any difference.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Edgar on April 27, 2012, 01:01:42 PM
Avengers will surprise

Specially because of the younger fans.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 27, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
I'll watch it all. Spiderman is the most intriguing for me. Not being Tobey Maguire and such.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: indeedproceed on April 27, 2012, 01:24:14 PM
I'll see all three, but in terms of desire to see them, it goes

1) Batman
2) avengers
3) spidey

You can't ever not see a Christopher Nolan movie. If you skip it, you get Inceptioned into Ricky Davis's fevered alcohol dementia dreams, where up is down and down is...magenta. Animaniacs is on all the time.

But if Joss Whedon's on the track it's gotta be a monster. No way am I missing Avengers.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KY Celts fan on April 27, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
Batman will perform the best at the box office, and it won't even be close. It's the conclusion of a trilogy, while Avengers and Spiderman are the beginnings of new series.

If I could only see one, I would probably pick Batman because its last of the Nolan films, but If I'm being honest, I'm probably most excited about Avengers. Its just something that has never been done before in cinema.

I absolutely hated the Raimi Spiderman films, but this one has caught my interest.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Roy H. on April 27, 2012, 02:34:01 PM
Batman:  Dark Knight Rises.  Not even a question.

In terms of box office gross?

1) Batman
2) Avengers
3) Spiderman

Agreed.  The only way Batman doesn't win the box office is if it gets really terrible reviews.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on April 27, 2012, 03:02:32 PM
Avengers...and I hope the makers don't goon it up.

Looking forward to the next Superman movie as well. He needs to fight Doomsday in this one.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: twinbree on April 27, 2012, 03:25:55 PM
Batman, Avengers, Spider-man is how I see the box office going unless one turns out to be spectacularly good or bad.

If I had to pick one to see it'd be the Avengers because well I've only been waiting years for this movie. I'm definitely excited about Spider-man. Reboot doesn't bother me at all. I'm used to Marvel having so many continuities, it'll be kinda like reading a story based in an alternate universe. Batman I'm cautious. I'm just still so traumatized by Bane's previous movie appearance.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LB3533 on April 27, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
Gonna see all of the big ones.

I actually think the new Spiderman movie will be the best film out of them all.

I didn't say, most popular or most profitable....
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 29, 2012, 04:32:35 PM
Avengers has already made $178 million overseas:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-report-avengers-marvel-joss-whedon-robert-downey-jr-317871 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-report-avengers-marvel-joss-whedon-robert-downey-jr-317871)

It's also projecting to open at ~$150 million in the US.  I don't know which movie will make the most $, but I'm pretty sure I know who won't be last.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: incoherent on April 29, 2012, 05:24:01 PM
I hope they all flop so Hollywood stops making these garbage CGI pics.

I know in my heart that will never happen.

But how many times are they going to make an extremely fake looking Hulk and Spiderman fight scene where they are smashing through a city? This doesn't interest me in the least and I don't really understand the hype.  

You know what, when are they going to stop all this CGI crap? It's not impressive anymore at all.  I hate that these movies keep making 100+ millions when they don't deserve it.  

Want to see a good movie?  Netflix "The Vicious Kind"... This movie probably made no money and it will never be seen by anyone sadly because it doesn't have CGI effects.

I hate hollywood and the direction its going.
/rant

I think Batman will easily top the other two.. it's actually being directed instead of produced.


Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Eja117 on April 29, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
Batman...don't think I'll pay money for the others and am likely to skip them entirely
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Sketch5 on April 29, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
I think Batman will edge out Avengers, but I think its going to be closer than people think. The last one made a ton because of Leadgers death kinda hyped it up. Not to take anything away from his performance(saw it twice in the theater), but that defiantly got the casual fan into the seat the first time.

But I also wouldn't be suprised if Avengers beat Batman out. Marvel has done really well promoting the movie, starting in 08 with Iron man, leading into Hulk, Ironman 2, Thor and then Cap. And this is the first time we really get to see ALL the heros on the screen at the same time. And with Joss Whedon writing and direction its going to be good, the guy hardly ever misses.

I will be seeing all of them. But If I had to pick on...Batman is my favorite, but Ive seen Bats on screen, and its the Avengers first time, gotta support the newbies.
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Post by: Swoopz on April 29, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
I predict all of them will do very well box office-wise, but I'm only really excited about Batman. I love Christopher Nolan and TDK is among my top movies overall. I will be huuugely disappointed if this last one fails to live up to my expectations.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Las Vegas Asian on April 29, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
I watched an advanced screening for the Avengers...it was awesome!!!
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: manl_lui on April 29, 2012, 06:40:28 PM
I'm gonna see all of them, but I've been waiting for Batman 3 for like a long time.

I prefer DKR, then Avengers

not that interested in Spiderman, but I might end up seeing that too
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: crownsy on April 29, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
I'm all set with spider man, far too soon for that reboot. I just don't care to see the orgin story for the second time in what...8 years?

I'm pumped for both the dark knight rises and the avengers. Been hearing awesome things about the avengers and nolan doesn't disapoint so im sure both those will be awesome!
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Post by: RebusRankin on April 29, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
Batman, Avengers, Spidey
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Fafnir on April 29, 2012, 06:51:43 PM
I'm all set with spider man, far too soon for that reboot. I just don't care to see the orgin story for the second time in what...8 years?

I'm pumped for both the dark knight rises and the avengers. Been hearing awesome things about the avengers and nolan doesn't disapoint so im sure both those will be awesome!
Apparently Sony has to keep pumping out movies every so often otherwise Marvel will get the film rights back. They only rebooted because 3 was such a mess and so were all the spec scripts for 4 and the actors didn't want to do it.

So expect constant spider man films till they stop making money...
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 01, 2012, 08:11:45 AM
Well if overseas is any indication the Avengers is going to crush it.  Took in 178 million and was #1 in all 39 markets it opened in last weekend.  And that doesn't even include China, Russia, and Japan (it will open in China and Russia this week and Japan in August).  

http://news.yahoo.com/avengers-smashes-overseas-box-office-records-171029912.html (http://news.yahoo.com/avengers-smashes-overseas-box-office-records-171029912.html)

Apparently Battleship has been out for a couple of weeks overseas and is at 170 million to date from the foreign markets (it opens May 18 here).

Not sure I like all of these US movies opening overseas before the US, but I'm sure that stuff is thought out and done for a reason.
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Post by: wdleehi on May 01, 2012, 08:15:32 AM
I'm all set with spider man, far too soon for that reboot. I just don't care to see the orgin story for the second time in what...8 years?

I'm pumped for both the dark knight rises and the avengers. Been hearing awesome things about the avengers and nolan doesn't disapoint so im sure both those will be awesome!
Apparently Sony has to keep pumping out movies every so often otherwise Marvel will get the film rights back. They only rebooted because 3 was such a mess and so were all the spec scripts for 4 and the actors didn't want to do it.

So expect constant spider man films till they stop making money...


That's why they keep rolling out x-men movies and there are always an appearance by Wolverine. 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 01, 2012, 08:17:41 AM
I'm all set with spider man, far too soon for that reboot. I just don't care to see the orgin story for the second time in what...8 years?

I'm pumped for both the dark knight rises and the avengers. Been hearing awesome things about the avengers and nolan doesn't disapoint so im sure both those will be awesome!
Apparently Sony has to keep pumping out movies every so often otherwise Marvel will get the film rights back. They only rebooted because 3 was such a mess and so were all the spec scripts for 4 and the actors didn't want to do it.

So expect constant spider man films till they stop making money...


That's why they keep rolling out x-men movies and there are always an appearance by Wolverine. 

HA, I watched XMen first class this weekend and liked the wolverine cameo
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 01, 2012, 08:45:13 AM
I'm all set with spider man, far too soon for that reboot. I just don't care to see the orgin story for the second time in what...8 years?

I'm pumped for both the dark knight rises and the avengers. Been hearing awesome things about the avengers and nolan doesn't disapoint so im sure both those will be awesome!
Apparently Sony has to keep pumping out movies every so often otherwise Marvel will get the film rights back. They only rebooted because 3 was such a mess and so were all the spec scripts for 4 and the actors didn't want to do it.

So expect constant spider man films till they stop making money...


That's why they keep rolling out x-men movies and there are always an appearance by Wolverine. 
Plus Wolverine is awesome and lives forever so it makes it easier.  I mean seriously, who doesn't love Wolverine and Hugh Jackman was perfectly cast.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 01, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
I saw the Avengers last week at a pre screening here in CT.  The movie was incredible.  Best comic book movie of all time. 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Roy H. on May 01, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
Batman's new trailer:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8evyE9TuYk
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KY Celts fan on May 01, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
I'm honestly getting jittery because I'm so anxious to see The Avengers.
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Post by: twinbree on May 01, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
I'm honestly getting jittery because I'm so anxious to see The Avengers.


LOL TP. I'm beyond anxious. And the positive reviews are only making more so. I honestly considered going to London last weekend just so I could watch it earlier but I had volunteer work I couldn't shirk. Sigh Friday cannot get here soon enough.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Roy H. on May 03, 2012, 08:45:08 PM
The newest Spiderman trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ncrirX8Ms

I'm not digging the CGI.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: guava_wrench on May 03, 2012, 09:22:15 PM
The new Spiderman will flop, I think.  Not a lot of positive buzz around it.  The market's pretty saturated with superhero movies, and people aren't going to be too excited about a reboot of a series that started 10 years ago.

Batman will make a boatload of money, and Avengers will probably do well too, but not quite as well.

One factor here, The female lead being played by Emma Stone.  My girlfriend wants to see it just because of that, then the other night she talked about it when we were out with friends and several other girls agreed.  Could be an x-factor
The previous Spiderman movies also pulled in women by having people who can act and the prominence of a genuine romance.

I can't wait for the next Batman. The reboot has been incredible through the first 2 movies. Dang what a dunk by JR Smith!
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: slamtheking on May 03, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
really looking forward to the Avengers because it hasn't been done yet.  Seen lots of Batman and Spidey movies already.

Batman is sounding like a great movie from the early buzz but I find it hard to believe any Batman villain will be as good as Ledger's Joker.  I'll probably be watching the movie thinking 'Ledger was better'.

I liked how they handled the Spidey and Spidey II movies.  III was ok but that was enough.  Not ready for a reboot yet.  Spidey's my favorite comic character but I think it'll suffer as part of a superhero glut this summer.
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Post by: Edgar on May 03, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
I am avengers fully declared fan

I need more and more and more and more of the teamed up superheroes

League of Justice i cant wait.................

p.s. Isnt spidey a new avenger............ :x
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Post by: twinbree on May 04, 2012, 05:54:11 PM
I am avengers fully declared fan

I need more and more and more and more of the teamed up superheroes

League of Justice i cant wait.................

p.s. Isnt spidey a new avenger............ :x

I know! Superheroes are so much more fun when they team up. I'm not really a fan of the DC heroes individually but I like them in the Justice League teams up.

Well I've seen the Avengers twice already and it well worth the wait in my opinion. I really like what Marvel studios is doing and I wish they had the movie rights to all their characters.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Eja117 on May 04, 2012, 06:16:47 PM
Actually I'm expecting the Hobbit to blow away all three
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Roy H. on May 04, 2012, 06:49:28 PM
Actually I'm expecting the Hobbit to blow away all three

The Nolan Batman trilogy (at least so far) is as great as the LOTR trilogy (at least the extended editions), just in different ways.  Both have been about as perfect as possible for their genre.  

The Hobbit will be awesome, but I'm betting Batman will be, too.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Eja117 on May 04, 2012, 07:02:58 PM
Actually I'm expecting the Hobbit to blow away all three

The Nolan Batman trilogy (at least so far) is as great as the LOTR trilogy (at least the extended editions)
Shut yo mouth!   

I give you Dark Knight was unreal in the realm of superhero films, but I'm thinking 100 years from now people will be watching LOTR and not so much Dark Knight.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: slamtheking on May 04, 2012, 07:37:49 PM
Actually I'm expecting the Hobbit to blow away all three

The Nolan Batman trilogy (at least so far) is as great as the LOTR trilogy (at least the extended editions)
Shut yo mouth!  

I give you Dark Knight was unreal in the realm of superhero films, but I'm thinking 100 years from now people will be watching LOTR and not so much Dark Knight.
have to agree to a point.  LOTR is better.  Batman movies so far have been great superhero movies but LOTR was better.  One major reason it's better is that it had to live up to the unbelievable quality of the books whereas none of the superhero movies have that restriction.
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Post by: Eja117 on May 04, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
Actually I'm expecting the Hobbit to blow away all three

The Nolan Batman trilogy (at least so far) is as great as the LOTR trilogy (at least the extended editions)
Shut yo mouth!  

I give you Dark Knight was unreal in the realm of superhero films, but I'm thinking 100 years from now people will be watching LOTR and not so much Dark Knight.
have to agree to a point.  LOTR is better.  Batman movies so far have been great superhero movies but LOTR was better.  One major reason it's better is that it had to live up to the unbelievable quality of the books whereas none of the superhero movies have that restriction.
I liked Batman Begins but didn't see it as masterpiece or anything. Dark Knight's greatness is entirely dependent on Heath Ledger's virtuoso acting (that may be the thing studied 100 years from now) and to a lesser extent to very very good writing, and I don't think that will repeat like that.

Technologically LOTR is a marvel, especially for its time.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Brendan on May 04, 2012, 08:32:23 PM
I think its a total mistake that they stick to basically the straight forward narratives:

XMEN v Magneto, Spiderman Origin through Venom, Origin Stories, etc.

Hulk reboot was great because it was a bit more off script... but, but, but -

there is a TON of content in there and they keep trying to fit like 100 comic story arch into a single movie. Why bother? Right something original - be it a wolverine + spiderman story, or something similar. So much cooler to take the characters and get outside the normal story arch. We have endless cartoons, cartoon movies, other movies, and the comics themselves.

Tell some tangents instead of endlessly rebooting.

(Although they tried this with Superman Returns and it stunk - so maybe I'm wrong.)
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 06, 2012, 12:30:04 AM
Avengers...and I hope the makers don't goon it up.

Looking forward to the next Superman movie as well. He needs to fight Doomsday in this one.

...and thankfully, they DIDN'T goon it up :).
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 06, 2012, 01:30:20 AM
Avengers was epic
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Post by: Bahku on May 06, 2012, 01:34:02 AM
They should all be fun, but of the three, I'm looking forward to "Dark Knight Rises" the most ... by far.
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Post by: KCattheStripe on May 06, 2012, 03:12:29 AM
Avengers is the greatest comic book movie of all time.
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Post by: Kiorrik on May 06, 2012, 06:52:33 AM
Wow, I must be the only one on the planet that thought the Avengers was just 'decent'. And I was one of the few who laughed at the Legolas joke.

Anyhoo, I'm hoping the Dark Knight does a good job at continuing the series, though that's a high standard to follow up on.
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Post by: snowball on May 06, 2012, 09:12:50 AM
Men in Black III

 8)
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Post by: greg_kite on May 06, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
Avengers is the greatest comic book movie of all time.
After seeing it yesterday I have to agree with you but we'll have to see how it holds up.  It was great to see the Hulk utilized perfectly.  The two other Hulk movies were not great.  I'm glad they didn't screw this up, there was way too much riding on it.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 06, 2012, 09:58:58 AM
The Avengera has set a new bar Of standards when it comes to comic book movies. Here's hoping Spider-man and The Dark Knight Rises will be epic as well.
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Post by: Mike-Dub on May 06, 2012, 10:33:34 AM
Wow, I must be the only one on the planet that thought the Avengers was just 'decent'. And I was one of the few who laughed at the Legolas joke.

Anyhoo, I'm hoping the Dark Knight does a good job at continuing the series, though that's a high standard to follow up on.

I'm with you Kiorrik.  I only thought it was decent as well. I thought the action scenes were great but the story and characters could have been more developed.

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Post by: greg_kite on May 06, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
Wow, I must be the only one on the planet that thought the Avengers was just 'decent'. And I was one of the few who laughed at the Legolas joke.

Anyhoo, I'm hoping the Dark Knight does a good job at continuing the series, though that's a high standard to follow up on.

I'm with you Kiorrik.  I only thought it was decent as well. I thought the action scenes were great but the story and characters could have been more developed.


The characters were developed in their own movies.  This is the first Avengers movie but there were five movies leading up to it: Thor, Capt America, Hulk and Iron Man 1 and 2.  Much of the story was developed in Thor and the characters in each movie.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 06, 2012, 04:43:46 PM
Saw Avengers, thought it was awesome.  Very well done, lots of humor, lots of action, enough of the back story so people weren't totally lost (or could get refreshed), but not so much that that was all the movie was.  

BTW, estimates are 200.3 million.  Besting the last Harry Potter as the largest gross in U.S. history by just over 30 million.
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Post by: Moranis on May 07, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
Actual numbers are in at 207.4 million.  2nd largest Friday ever, largest Saturday ever, largest Sunday ever.  Beat Harry Potter by over 38 million for largest opening ever. 
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Post by: indeedproceed on May 07, 2012, 05:36:39 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: CeltsAcumen on May 07, 2012, 05:52:52 PM
I am sorry, I just cannot get excited over anything Hollywood puts out these days.

You say the Avengers is a good movie, cool I believe you, but I rarely expect something good coming out of Hollywood.  Especially big budget, blockbusters.

200+ million is very impressive, but its still nothing compared to what Call of Duty Black Ops, Call of Duty MW3 and Batman AC made in 24 hours and they seem to hire writers who know how to formulate and tell a story.
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Post by: KCattheStripe on May 07, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.

Joss was all like, " I don't want to do the next movie. But it should be smaller and more personal." First, that's a mean thing to say when you drop Thanos in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Also, Marvel is just going to drive dump trucks full of money to his front door.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: indeedproceed on May 07, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.

Joss was all like, " I don't want to do the next movie. But it should be smaller and more personal." First, that's a mean thing to say when you drop Thanos in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Also, Marvel is just going to drive dump trucks full of money to his front door.

Hollywood, AP - Avengers director Joss Wheadon says today that he will not direct, produce, or otherwise make awesome the inevitable Avengers single.

"I just felt like I walked away from my roots by making that movie totally (freaking) rock. I'm gonna go back to what I do best; hiring Nathan Fillion, Eliza Dushku, and Alan Tudyk to be in complicated action-dramas with a heavy dose of humor that are specifically aimed at an impossibly small audience that will adore me."

Reports are starting to filter in from across the country that nerds everywhere have already begun arguing over hypothetical plot points and tangential characters.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 07, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.

Joss was all like, " I don't want to do the next movie. But it should be smaller and more personal." First, that's a mean thing to say when you drop Thanos in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Also, Marvel is just going to drive dump trucks full of money to his front door.

Hollywood, AP - Avengers director Joss Wheadon says today that he will not direct, produce, or otherwise make awesome the inevitable Avengers single.

"I just felt like I walked away from my roots by making that movie totally (freaking) rock. I'm gonna go back to what I do best; hiring Nathan Fillion, Eliza Dushku, and Alan Tudyk to be in complicated action-dramas with a heavy dose of humor that are specifically aimed at an impossibly small audience that will adore me."

Reports are starting to filter in from across the country that nerds everywhere have already begun arguing over hypothetical plot points and tangential characters.


You're right, because no one has ever made money  offering Nathan Fillion a lead role. ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Edgar on May 07, 2012, 07:31:31 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.

Joss was all like, " I don't want to do the next movie. But it should be smaller and more personal." First, that's a mean thing to say when you drop Thanos in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Also, Marvel is just going to drive dump trucks full of money to his front door.

http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/47.html

just in case I hate to see their No. 1
but I am pretty much happy with the rest.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 07, 2012, 11:48:34 PM
Joss Wheadon is about to be wicked employed.

Joss was all like, " I don't want to do the next movie. But it should be smaller and more personal." First, that's a mean thing to say when you drop Thanos in the last 30 seconds of the movie. Also, Marvel is just going to drive dump trucks full of money to his front door.

http://comics.ign.com/top-100-villains/47.html

just in case I hate to see their No. 1
but I am pretty much happy with the rest.


That's an undersell of Thanos. Also, nothing Thanos does is "Small and Personal"
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 08, 2012, 01:12:06 AM
I'm kinda sorta holding out to call "best superhero movie of all time" until I see this fella in one:

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/97087/2138720-933168_omega_red_02_super.jpg)

But I have to admit, Thanos... that's promising.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 08, 2012, 06:26:31 AM
Lots of rumors that Thanos will be the bad guy in Thor 2 and may have nothing to do with the next Avengers.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: twinbree on May 08, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
Lots of rumors that Thanos will be the bad guy in Thor 2 and may have nothing to do with the next Avengers.

Or they're setting up a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. I've seen rumors of that too. That'll be great too. But whoever the villain is the Avengers has made me a whole lot more excited for Thor 2. 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Overrated on May 08, 2012, 11:49:47 AM
The White Knight, coming to theaters in 2013.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HzbaSM72NVA/TyoPcOsAaSI/AAAAAAAADac/vx0vN_VfmTY/s1600/brian-scalabrine-e1328118911374.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Edgar on May 08, 2012, 12:38:08 PM
BTW did anyone see the superhero list?
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: bruinsandceltics on May 08, 2012, 01:28:56 PM
The Avengers was fantastic. I wasn't expecting much because I'm not a big comic book movie fan. But I was blown away. Impressive.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: twinbree on May 08, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
BTW did anyone see the superhero list?

Edgar which list is this?

Someone just sent me this. I guess I'm not the only one with Avengers on the brain

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lnhgfa7MznY/T6k04Xi8f_I/AAAAAAAAGWA/pJ2xK6tUHTE/s1600/avengers+3+S2.jpg)
http://www.celticslife.com/2012/05/afternoon-delight-boston-avengers.html


Not bad. I'd have made KG the hulk or at the very least covered up that blonde hair with the helmet if he had to be the Thor.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Donoghus on May 08, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
New Batman movie is my #2 movie to see this summer.

My #1 isn't super hero related but I think is going to be an amazing film;  Prometheus.

It just got an "R" rating so it'll be interesting to see what numbers it ends up grossing but I still expect it to be one of the more successful films of the summer.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LB3533 on May 08, 2012, 01:43:54 PM
It really is tremendous what Joss Whedon has done with the Avengers film.

Usually, when you have a lot of characters thrown together, there is a great chance it turns into a big cluster "u know what".

That didn't happen here and each super hero received enough screen time and relevance in the film.

It's practically unheard of.

If you look back on the X-Men franchise, a superhero film with a lot of characters, it was mainly all about Wolverine and to some extent the Charles Xavier/Eric Lensher relationship.

I really have no real qualms with the X-Men films because they were essentially the franchise that jump started the superhero film craze. (Credit to Blade films for techically really starting it, but X-Men boomed it to another level).

But looking back on the X-Men, Wolverine was no doubt the most popular and best character to focus on, but Cyclops, The Dark Phoenix....really got the shaft.

Avengers really didn't shaft any of the characters. And that is attributed to a great job by Whedon for his script and directing.

 

Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 08, 2012, 03:17:57 PM
I'm kinda sorta holding out to call "best superhero movie of all time" until I see this fella in one:

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/97087/2138720-933168_omega_red_02_super.jpg)

But I have to admit, Thanos... that's promising.

Man I'd LOVE to see Omega Red in an X-Men movie. Hard to believe he hasn't appeared in one already.

He was always one of my favorite X-men foes, and his Russian origins could flesh out Collosus some (I Hope).
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: indeedproceed on May 08, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 08, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Just four days after my sons and I saw Avengers, my youngest one is STILL wanting to see it again, which is unheard of for him.

I haven't had this much fun at the movies since the first Matrix and Spiderman 2.

I won't spoil Avengers for those who haven't seen it, but man! Those intra-squad fights were ON POINT...nothing untrue to the comic books.

Just Awesome.

Samuel L. Jackson played a GREAT Nick Fury, too.

I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.

Anxiously awaiting the next Avengers.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 09, 2012, 06:45:00 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 09, 2012, 06:49:00 AM
I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.
Ugh, the guy looks like a friend of me & my girlfriend. We always joke about it, 'cuz we met the guy on World of Warcraft and his nickname was Smurf. Hence we always call that actor "Smurf".

... yeah I've got plenty of boring stories.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 06:49:26 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
I believe it is still scheduled for 2014.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 06:51:27 AM
Just four days after my sons and I saw Avengers, my youngest one is STILL wanting to see it again, which is unheard of for him.

I haven't had this much fun at the movies since the first Matrix and Spiderman 2.

I won't spoil Avengers for those who haven't seen it, but man! Those intra-squad fights were ON POINT...nothing untrue to the comic books.

Just Awesome.

Samuel L. Jackson played a GREAT Nick Fury, too.

I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.

Anxiously awaiting the next Avengers.
Yeah Jeremy Renner is sent up high when Thor first tries to get the hammer when he comes to earth.  I didn't realize he was Hawkeye until I saw he was cast as Hawkeye in the Avengers.  They certainly didn't make it clear that was his role and I believe only true die hard Avengers fans would have caught it.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 09, 2012, 07:03:48 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
I believe it is still scheduled for 2014.
Dang. That's pretty far off.

Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, a *decent* Gambit, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spiderman Noir, Thanos, Mr Sinister and perhaps a grown-up version of rogue that resembles rogue from the cartoons :p

Any of those in a movie would be nice.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 09, 2012, 07:05:35 AM
Just four days after my sons and I saw Avengers, my youngest one is STILL wanting to see it again, which is unheard of for him.

I haven't had this much fun at the movies since the first Matrix and Spiderman 2.

I won't spoil Avengers for those who haven't seen it, but man! Those intra-squad fights were ON POINT...nothing untrue to the comic books.

Just Awesome.

Samuel L. Jackson played a GREAT Nick Fury, too.

I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.

Anxiously awaiting the next Avengers.
Yeah Jeremy Renner is sent up high when Thor first tries to get the hammer when he comes to earth.  I didn't realize he was Hawkeye until I saw he was cast as Hawkeye in the Avengers.  They certainly didn't make it clear that was his role and I believe only true die hard Avengers fans would have caught it.
For some reason, I caught it, actually. I think it was both the fact that it was that actor (he's too big to be a random person) and how he acted.

Note that I'm not the biggest marvel geek out there. Only browsed through some of the comics, never owned more than ... 10.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 08:37:57 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
I believe it is still scheduled for 2014.
Dang. That's pretty far off.

Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, a *decent* Gambit, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spiderman Noir, Thanos, Mr Sinister and perhaps a grown-up version of rogue that resembles rogue from the cartoons :p

Any of those in a movie would be nice.
Yep still scheduled for 2014, there are rumors there will be an Ant Man and Nick Fury movie both also out in 2014.  Cap Am 2, Spiderman 2, and X-Men First Class 2 are all also supposed to be out in 2014.  Next year is supposed to be pretty busy as well with Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Wolverine 2, the Flash, a new Superman reboot, and a new Fantastic Four reboot.  

Also some much lesser known comics like Shazam, Sub-Mariner, etc. are supposedly in various stages of production.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 09, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 10:25:49 AM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.
I actually didn't mind him in Wolverine.  I mean obviously it was a supporting role, but I didn't mind the take on him or the actor that played him. 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 09, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
Just four days after my sons and I saw Avengers, my youngest one is STILL wanting to see it again, which is unheard of for him.

I haven't had this much fun at the movies since the first Matrix and Spiderman 2.

I won't spoil Avengers for those who haven't seen it, but man! Those intra-squad fights were ON POINT...nothing untrue to the comic books.

Just Awesome.

Samuel L. Jackson played a GREAT Nick Fury, too.

I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.

Anxiously awaiting the next Avengers.
Yeah Jeremy Renner is sent up high when Thor first tries to get the hammer when he comes to earth.  I didn't realize he was Hawkeye until I saw he was cast as Hawkeye in the Avengers.  They certainly didn't make it clear that was his role and I believe only true die hard Avengers fans would have caught it.
For some reason, I caught it, actually. I think it was both the fact that it was that actor (he's too big to be a random person) and how he acted.



Or the fact that he turns down grabbing a gun to grab a bow. The more obscure reference was that the black guy who was fighting with Thor just before that was Luke Cage (Power Man)
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 09, 2012, 11:38:15 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.


Time Travel, bad. Hulk smash dense continuity.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: birdwatcher on May 09, 2012, 12:24:52 PM
The Avengera has set a new bar Of standards when it comes to comic book movies. Here's hoping Spider-man and The Dark Knight Rises will be epic as well.
I gotta say that I was dead set against another spiderman reboot, thought the casting in the last trilogy was spot on. But after seeing the trailer for the new movie, I think it is VERY promising!
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
Pretty interesting piece on Garfield and his role as Spiderman.  The 2nd and 3rd pages of the piece are a conversation between Garfield and Maguire about the pressure of being Spiderman.  That part is really quite interesting.   

http://www.vman.com/articles/the-amazing-andrew-garfield/?page=1 (http://www.vman.com/articles/the-amazing-andrew-garfield/?page=1)
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 09, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
DC needs to get on the ball.

No Justice League movie?

Just sad.

They could always take some pieces from the JLU cartoon from a few years ago. The makers of the Green Lantern movie were even kind enough to introduce Amanda Waller (CADMUS).

Marvel's completed Elektra, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, DareDevil, Ghost Rider, several Hulk movies, FF4's, X-men...and now Avengers.

DC: Superman, Batman, Green Lantern....and Jonah Hex??

C'mon, DC!
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Donoghus on May 09, 2012, 04:24:43 PM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.

I always thought Sawyer from Lost would make an excellent Gambit.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 09, 2012, 04:44:32 PM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.

I always thought Sawyer from Lost would make an excellent Gambit.

Good call
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on May 09, 2012, 04:57:28 PM
DC needs to get on the ball.

No Justice League movie?

Just sad.

They could always take some pieces from the JLU cartoon from a few years ago. The makers of the Green Lantern movie were even kind enough to introduce Amanda Waller (CADMUS).

Marvel's completed Elektra, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, DareDevil, Ghost Rider, several Hulk movies, FF4's, X-men...and now Avengers.

DC: Superman, Batman, Green Lantern....and Jonah Hex??

C'mon, DC!
actually Warner Bros. is working on a script for the Justice League (although they tried to do this in 2008 and it didn't work out so who knows what will come of it). 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 09, 2012, 05:01:04 PM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.

I always thought Sawyer from Lost would make an excellent Gambit.

Good call

Not a good enough actor. Gambit is a hard part because of what an energetic personality is while at the same time being completely guarded.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 09, 2012, 05:07:01 PM
DC needs to get on the ball.

No Justice League movie?

Just sad.

They could always take some pieces from the JLU cartoon from a few years ago. The makers of the Green Lantern movie were even kind enough to introduce Amanda Waller (CADMUS).

Marvel's completed Elektra, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, DareDevil, Ghost Rider, several Hulk movies, FF4's, X-men...and now Avengers.

DC: Superman, Batman, Green Lantern....and Jonah Hex??

C'mon, DC!
actually Warner Bros. is working on a script for the Justice League (although they tried to do this in 2008 and it didn't work out so who knows what will come of it). 

Man I hope that comes to fruition. DC has the same draw as far as interesting characters as Marvel does. They certainly parallel as far as heros, villians, etc.

Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Braniac, Doomsday, CADMUS...definitely a lot of material to work with.

Just baffling to me why there's been no Flash, Wonderwoman movies, etc.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 09, 2012, 05:27:21 PM
Quote
Not a good enough actor. Gambit is a hard part because of what an energetic personality is while at the same time being completely guarded.

http://cultpress.blogspot.com/2006/11/producer-wants-sawyer-for-gambit.html

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/93639-josh-hollowaygambit-rumor-resurfaces

I have read multiple articles about Josh being slated for Gambit.  You must have never watched much Lost because I think he could nail this role. 

Any X-men movie though would be better without Brian Singer and going with Matthew Vaughn.  Vaughn did a much better movie and showed good understanding of the genre.   Singer had star casts and still made somewhat bland movies I think.  Heck, he even ruined a Superman remake.

A New Gods movie with Orion, Scott Miracle and Darkseid would be awesome.  Kirby made those characters though it was for DC.  Kirby created a lot of Marvel's characters.  He co-created Captain America, Fantastic Four, Hulk and the X-men.  He created Darkseid, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Magneto, Thor and Silver Surfer.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: KCattheStripe on May 09, 2012, 05:41:07 PM
Quote
Not a good enough actor. Gambit is a hard part because of what an energetic personality is while at the same time being completely guarded.

http://cultpress.blogspot.com/2006/11/producer-wants-sawyer-for-gambit.html

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/93639-josh-hollowaygambit-rumor-resurfaces

I have read multiple articles about Josh being slated for Gambit.  You must have never watched much Lost because I think he could nail this role. 



Watched all of Lost, he simply is not charming or personable enough to be Gambit.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Donoghus on May 09, 2012, 06:02:20 PM
Quote
Not a good enough actor. Gambit is a hard part because of what an energetic personality is while at the same time being completely guarded.

http://cultpress.blogspot.com/2006/11/producer-wants-sawyer-for-gambit.html

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/93639-josh-hollowaygambit-rumor-resurfaces

I have read multiple articles about Josh being slated for Gambit.  You must have never watched much Lost because I think he could nail this role. 



Watched all of Lost, he simply is not charming or personable enough to be Gambit.

I would disagree with you.  And I also watched all of Lost.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 09, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
Quote
Not a good enough actor. Gambit is a hard part because of what an energetic personality is while at the same time being completely guarded.

http://cultpress.blogspot.com/2006/11/producer-wants-sawyer-for-gambit.html

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/93639-josh-hollowaygambit-rumor-resurfaces

I have read multiple articles about Josh being slated for Gambit.  You must have never watched much Lost because I think he could nail this role. 

Any X-men movie though would be better without Brian Singer and going with Matthew Vaughn.  Vaughn did a much better movie and showed good understanding of the genre.   Singer had star casts and still made somewhat bland movies I think.  Heck, he even ruined a Superman remake.

A New Gods movie with Orion, Scott Miracle and Darkseid would be awesome.  Kirby made those characters though it was for DC.  Kirby created a lot of Marvel's characters.  He co-created Captain America, Fantastic Four, Hulk and the X-men.  He created Darkseid, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Magneto, Thor and Silver Surfer.

See...even MORE material for DC to work with....New Gods could open so many avenues for a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTg7ROPssc
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: twinbree on May 09, 2012, 07:14:42 PM
DC needs to get on the ball.

No Justice League movie?

Just sad.

They could always take some pieces from the JLU cartoon from a few years ago. The makers of the Green Lantern movie were even kind enough to introduce Amanda Waller (CADMUS).

Marvel's completed Elektra, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, DareDevil, Ghost Rider, several Hulk movies, FF4's, X-men...and now Avengers.

DC: Superman, Batman, Green Lantern....and Jonah Hex??

C'mon, DC!
actually Warner Bros. is working on a script for the Justice League (although they tried to do this in 2008 and it didn't work out so who knows what will come of it). 

Man I hope that comes to fruition. DC has the same draw as far as interesting characters as Marvel does. They certainly parallel as far as heros, villians, etc.

Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Braniac, Doomsday, CADMUS...definitely a lot of material to work with.

Just baffling to me why there's been no Flash, Wonderwoman movies, etc.

Yeah I'm not sure what DC is waiting for. Wasn't there supposed to be a Wonderwoman TV show last year?

Granted I think they have a great deal more to work with but Marvel is just a lot more aggressive with their characters. If you look at DC on TV their series have mainly revolved around Batman and Superman. Meanwhile Marvel has a number of animated series based on different characters. And they've done the same for movies. Seriously there are two Punisher and Ghostrider movies. Even Elektra has a movie. DC just needs to take the risk with their non-Batman/ Superman heroes and see what happens.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LarBrd33 on May 10, 2012, 02:49:58 AM
I thought the Avengers was really fun... I wasn't blown away by it.  It was good.  About the same as the Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Captain America and Thor movies.  Fun, but not spectacular movies.  I wouldn't say it's anywhere near what The Dark Knight was if we're measuring super hero films.  I felt The Avengers had some fun moments, but ultimately it was a little forgettable.  That's just me, though.  Classic popcorn flick blockbuster.

For the summer films I'm still most excited about the third Nolan Batman movie.  I don't expect it to "top" Dark Knight.  I don't know if it has to, though.  In many ways, I liked "Batman Begins" more than "Dark Knight".  The JOker obviously put Dark Knight over the top, but Batman Begins deserves more credit.  As long as this third film wraps up the story nicely (it's a given Ra's al Ghul returns, right?  He has to.  Makes too much logical sense for the 3 part story arc) I think it will be fantastic.

EDIT:  Just checked the score for the Avengers on metacritic.  69.  Yup.  That seems just about right.  Good fun movie... not a great movie.  I wouldn't say it's "disappointing", though.  I got what I expected out of it.  It was fun to see all the heroes together.  Side note:  When I saw "Thor" in the theater the movie ended with a teaser trailer for "The Avengers".  Everyone in the theater lost their minds when that teaser trailer was shown.  I didn't get it.  I thought Thor was "blah".  I wasn't sure why anyone would expect "The Avengers" to be better.  If Thor kinda stunk... I wasn't sure why anyone thought bringing all the characters together was going to make the movie vastly superior.  Cap America was blah, Iron Man 2 was blah.  Incredible Hulk (with Ed Norton) was blah.  Thor was blah.  Stick them all together and you have a nice little popcorn flick.  It's great fun to see Bruce Banner and Tony Stark interact, but as a movie that's all it is... fun.  Cool action scenes.  Some fun interactions.  *shrug*.  I think I was more engrossed in "X-Men First Class" (by no means a perfect movie either)... is that weird?  
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on May 10, 2012, 05:50:51 AM
Just four days after my sons and I saw Avengers, my youngest one is STILL wanting to see it again, which is unheard of for him.

I haven't had this much fun at the movies since the first Matrix and Spiderman 2.

I won't spoil Avengers for those who haven't seen it, but man! Those intra-squad fights were ON POINT...nothing untrue to the comic books.

Just Awesome.

Samuel L. Jackson played a GREAT Nick Fury, too.

I didn't even realize that the same actor that played in "The Town" played Hawkeye. He was GREAT as well. I also didn't realize that he had a cameo in Thor.

Anxiously awaiting the next Avengers.
Yeah Jeremy Renner is sent up high when Thor first tries to get the hammer when he comes to earth.  I didn't realize he was Hawkeye until I saw he was cast as Hawkeye in the Avengers.  They certainly didn't make it clear that was his role and I believe only true die hard Avengers fans would have caught it.
For some reason, I caught it, actually. I think it was both the fact that it was that actor (he's too big to be a random person) and how he acted.



Or the fact that he turns down grabbing a gun to grab a bow. The more obscure reference was that the black guy who was fighting with Thor just before that was Luke Cage (Power Man)
Ah, thanks for clearing that one up. I did see it happen, and I thought "oh, that must be someone too" but I didn't quite catch *who* exactly :)

It's just that some of the nods in movies like that, you notice. When a certain character gets that wee bit of extra attention, without having been fleshed out properly.


As for the whole Marvel & DC thing; I've always been a Marvel fan-boy. Of course I like my Batman, Spawn, Turtles, etc, but my main dose of comic goodness is all Marvel branded.

As such, I don't mind that Wonder Woman and the like don't get much attention.
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Post by: greg_kite on May 10, 2012, 07:16:50 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
I believe it is still scheduled for 2014.
Dang. That's pretty far off.

Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, a *decent* Gambit, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spiderman Noir, Thanos, Mr Sinister and perhaps a grown-up version of rogue that resembles rogue from the cartoons :p

Any of those in a movie would be nice.
Yep still scheduled for 2014, there are rumors there will be an Ant Man and Nick Fury movie both also out in 2014.  Cap Am 2, Spiderman 2, and X-Men First Class 2 are all also supposed to be out in 2014.  Next year is supposed to be pretty busy as well with Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Wolverine 2, the Flash, a new Superman reboot, and a new Fantastic Four reboot.  

Also some much lesser known comics like Shazam, Sub-Mariner, etc. are supposedly in various stages of production.
Where did you get this list?  I hadn't heard of Flash or Shazam, I would like to see those.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on May 10, 2012, 07:22:06 AM
Quote
I would disagree with you.  And I also watched all of Lost.

Your perogative, Marvel does not.  That ought to speak volumes who is right.
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Post by: Moranis on May 10, 2012, 08:25:53 AM
Cable, Bishop, holler.

Also that Deadpool movie starring ryan reynolds would've been awesome.
Ah noes! Did that get canned? :( :( :(
I believe it is still scheduled for 2014.
Dang. That's pretty far off.

Cable, Bishop, Apocalypse, a *decent* Gambit, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spiderman Noir, Thanos, Mr Sinister and perhaps a grown-up version of rogue that resembles rogue from the cartoons :p

Any of those in a movie would be nice.
Yep still scheduled for 2014, there are rumors there will be an Ant Man and Nick Fury movie both also out in 2014.  Cap Am 2, Spiderman 2, and X-Men First Class 2 are all also supposed to be out in 2014.  Next year is supposed to be pretty busy as well with Thor 2, Iron Man 3, Wolverine 2, the Flash, a new Superman reboot, and a new Fantastic Four reboot.  

Also some much lesser known comics like Shazam, Sub-Mariner, etc. are supposedly in various stages of production.
Where did you get this list?  I hadn't heard of Flash or Shazam, I would like to see those.
I think it was superhero.net or superheromovie.net.  Something like that. 

A bunch of articles out on the net on DC's strategy.  May end up with Green Lantern 2 instead of the Flash, but Warner Bros. apparently has a "solid script" for the Flash and it definitely wants to do the Justice League (not sure if it wants a bunch of lead in movies - though with the success of Avengers, I think they will).
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Post by: celticmaestro on May 10, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Two questions:

1. Which one has the highest N.A. box office (I think it is pretty clear the new Spiderman will finish 3rd, but really have no idea with batman or the avengers)?

2. If you could only go to one in the theater, which would it be?

Dark Knight Rises is the answer to both.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 10, 2012, 09:10:37 AM
Kudos to KC for the Power Man reference...I had not thought about that.

Is there any confirmation from Marvel on whether that guy was supposedly Luke Cage? It does make SOME sense...that guy was HUGE...BUT - IF this guy was Luke, that was a POOR showing from him vs Thor.

Luke's not in the same power class as Thor, but he's not swiss cheese, either. They could've done Luke more justice if this was the case.
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Post by: KCattheStripe on May 10, 2012, 11:16:31 AM
Kudos to KC for the Power Man reference...I had not thought about that.

Is there any confirmation from Marvel on whether that guy was supposedly Luke Cage? It does make SOME sense...that guy was HUGE...BUT - IF this guy was Luke, that was a POOR showing from him vs Thor.

Luke's not in the same power class as Thor, but he's not swiss cheese, either. They could've done Luke more justice if this was the case.

I'm not sure if he's listed in the credits, but there's only one African American super hero in the Marvel Universe who could trade blows with Thor. Granted, he didn't shout " Sweet Christmas" so it's not a complete give away, but I'm kinda OK with that.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 10, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
Kudos to KC for the Power Man reference...I had not thought about that.

Is there any confirmation from Marvel on whether that guy was supposedly Luke Cage? It does make SOME sense...that guy was HUGE...BUT - IF this guy was Luke, that was a POOR showing from him vs Thor.

Luke's not in the same power class as Thor, but he's not swiss cheese, either. They could've done Luke more justice if this was the case.

I'm not sure if he's listed in the credits, but there's only one African American super hero in the Marvel Universe who could trade blows with Thor. Granted, he didn't shout " Sweet Christmas" so it's not a complete give away, but I'm kinda OK with that.

Yeah...that guy saying "Sweet Christmas" would've certainly been confirmation from me.

Marvel missed an opportunity for a bennie, there.

But they are forgiven. The rest of the Thor movie and Avengers have blown me away.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 10, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWmHEF_PT8E&feature=fvsr

Old School in the house. ;D
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Post by: Moranis on May 17, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
Iron Man 3 has a villain.  James Badge Dale will play Eric Savin, who becomes the cyborg Coldblood. 
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
I don't think coldblood is the true villain in the movie.  I think it will be somebody else. 
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 09:31:14 AM
Also there is no way Thor would be fighting Thanos in Thor 2.  Thanos is an Avengers movie villain and would be too overwhelming for just a Thor sequel. 
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Post by: Moranis on May 17, 2012, 10:34:02 AM
Also there is no way Thor would be fighting Thanos in Thor 2.  Thanos is an Avengers movie villain and would be too overwhelming for just a Thor sequel. 
My guess is he is introduced in Thor 2 as a villain in some capacity and carries over to Avengers 2.  You know kind of Loki in Thor 1 and Avengers 1.  The producers and what not what to spend the Avengers movies firmly on earth and will have Thor in his movies spend a lot of time off Earth, and thus Thanos makes a lot of sense for a Thor 2 bad guy that is also the bad guy in Avengers 2.
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
Moranis, he will definitely appear in Thor 2 because he will need to get to Asgard to steal the tesseract or the infinity gauntlet.  He will definitely not be a villain but there will probably be a scene of him speaking with Loki or coming to steal some Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. 
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Post by: indeedproceed on May 17, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
www.cracked.com/article_19841_if-avengers-was-10-times-shorter-100-times-more-honest.html

You're welcome. Spoilers, son!
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 11:02:23 AM
Indeed, I am guessing you didn't like the Avengers.  That article was awful and a complete waste of 5 minutes of my life. 
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Post by: indeedproceed on May 17, 2012, 11:06:35 AM
Indeed, I am guessing you didn't like the Avengers.  That article was awful and a complete waste of 5 minutes of my life. 

I think your humor bone is broken.
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Post by: bucknersrevenge on May 17, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.

I always thought Sawyer from Lost would make an excellent Gambit.

Josh Holloway would've been an awesome Gambit, and I heard he was in initial talks too but there was some conflict I think with scheduling and he ended up not doing it but you're 100% on and I have always thought the exact same thing.
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 11:15:25 AM
Haha no I just didn't find any of that funny.  Not my type of Humor I guess.  Probably not what most people consider as humor.  Seems like Nolanite trolling bait.    

Now this is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOps4qA5rM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOps4qA5rM)
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Post by: indeedproceed on May 17, 2012, 11:17:27 AM
Ive seen it mentioned and I want to second it, but any movie with a good Gambit would be a must see in my opinion.  Hands down the best X-men character.

I always thought Sawyer from Lost would make an excellent Gambit.

Josh Holloway would've been an awesome Gambit, and I heard he was in initial talks too but there was some conflict I think with scheduling and he ended up not doing it but you're 100% on and I have always thought the exact same thing.

I liked Riggins as Gambit. If he could only nail the accent.

Haha no I just didn't find any of that funny.  Not my type of Humor I guess.  Probably not what most people consider as humor.  Seems like Nolanite trolling bait.   

Now this is funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOps4qA5rM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOps4qA5rM)

That is funny. MINE WAS ALSO FUNNY!
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 11:25:32 AM
Glad you liked it.  I am really excited for the dark knight rises but the most recent trailer released really didn't do anything for me.  I hope its as good as the previous 2 and I hope Nolan has improved the fight scenes as they are very unrealistic and poorly choreographed in the dark knight. 
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Post by: bucknersrevenge on May 17, 2012, 01:16:47 PM
Considering all that The Avengers had to accomplish as a summation of several comic book movies, having to incorporate multiple storylines, further re-flesh out characters that had already defined in previous movies and provide that summer blockbuster feel all while making sure nobody got pushed aside, I don't see how anyone could come away being anything but impressed at Whedon's work here. He treated the material carefully and managed to accomplish what the X-Men movies(save the last) failed. To create a real character driven drama with the ability to tell a story thru multiple viewpoints.
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 17, 2012, 02:59:31 PM
TP buncknersrevenge, I totally agree with you. 
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Post by: Moranis on May 25, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
Couple of more villains have been cast in the Avengers universe.

Mads Mikkelson will play an unnamed villain in Thor 2.  He of course will team up with Loki in some manner.

Ashley Hamilton has been cast as the cyborg Firepower in Iron Man 3, joining James Badge Dale and Ben Kingsley as villains in the film.  Also, Jon Favreau is back as Tony Stark's bodyguard even though he is not directing the film. 
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 25, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
Mads Mikkleson is not a definite yet but they are trying to get him to be a villain. 

Looks like Iron Man 3 will be stacked with Villains but they are all weak compared to Iron man.  I wonder if they are all working for the Mandarin gathering the 10 rings for him.  Really excited for this movie. 
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Post by: Moranis on May 25, 2012, 11:36:01 AM
Mads Mikkleson is not a definite yet but they are trying to get him to be a villain. 

Looks like Iron Man 3 will be stacked with Villains but they are all weak compared to Iron man.  I wonder if they are all working for the Mandarin gathering the 10 rings for him.  Really excited for this movie. 
E Weekly says Mads is definite.
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Post by: SquishPCfriar on May 25, 2012, 11:52:52 AM
Everybody else is reporting that he is "in talks" but I am definitely hoping that it all falls through.  He is an awesome actor. 
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Post by: Moranis on May 25, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
Everybody else is reporting that he is "in talks" but I am definitely hoping that it all falls through.  He is an awesome actor. 
you are right, I misread the EW.com story.  He is just in talks.
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Post by: Kiorrik on May 25, 2012, 02:06:51 PM

Ashley Hamilton has been cast as the cyborg Firepower in Iron Man 3
Just read up on Firepower; sounds like a fun story arc, with [SPOILER] fake death and building a new suit [/SPOILER] seemingly key to that story. Hope they stick with that.
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Post by: Moranis on May 25, 2012, 02:59:05 PM

Ashley Hamilton has been cast as the cyborg Firepower in Iron Man 3
Just read up on Firepower; sounds like a fun story arc, with [SPOILER] fake death and building a new suit [/SPOILER] seemingly key to that story. Hope they stick with that.
Some of the plot details are coming out.  It seems pretty interesting.  Looks likes the daughter of a Chinese colleague of Stark gets kidnapped and he goes to China to save her, where he meets Coldblood and Mandarin in some capacity.  He of course loses the initial battle and is left in a situation with no suit and where he has to use his smarts to get out of it (he also obviously can't call the avengers for help).  It will be interesting to see how Firepower plays in and exactly how big a role Mandarin and the Extremis technology play in this movie.  Sounds like it will be more about Coldblood and just setting up Mandarin and full scale extremis Ironman for the future.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on May 25, 2012, 03:02:21 PM
I am guessing Kingsley will be the Mandarin who was hinted at in the first film.  A dude with magic rings. Kingsley has the gravitas to make it work.  I mean he was Gandhi, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_(comics)
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 25, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
I guess I can roll with Mandarin. I was hoping for Ultron, but Mandarin's a heavy hitter, too.
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Post by: Moranis on May 25, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
I am guessing Kingsley will be the Mandarin who was hinted at in the first film.  A dude with magic rings. Kingsley has the gravitas to make it work.  I mean he was Gandhi, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_(comics)
Yeah Kingsley is Mandarin.  Looks like Guy Pearce is Aldrich Killian (the nano, extremis doctor).  James Badge Dale is Eric Savin (coldblood).   

Andy Lau is the Chinese colleague in his first American Role.  Apparently he is a major star in China starring in like 200 roles. 
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Post by: Moranis on May 31, 2012, 03:59:58 PM
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/05/31/iron-man-3-set-photos-iron-patriot/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/05/31/iron-man-3-set-photos-iron-patriot/)

Looks like Coldblood is going to be the Iron Patriot version from the very recent comics at least if the photos are any indication.
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Post by: Moranis on July 10, 2012, 03:40:36 PM
I absolutely loved the new Spider-man.  Awesome movie.  Well worth seeing.
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Post by: cltc5 on July 10, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
Saw THe Amazing spiderman.  Loved it!  I'd say it replaced Green lantern for my overall favorite hero move.  Although Amazing Spiderman was abetter done film overall.
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Post by: thirstyboots18 on July 14, 2012, 08:31:16 PM
I just saw "The Amazing Spider-Man" and it was the best comic book adaptation I have seen since the first Christopher Reeve "Superman."  ( Andrew Garfield blew me away as Spidey, couldn't have found a better actor to play the part.)  I would really like to see it again.  Some of the other characters were momentary distractions as you recognized the actors, but that was soon forgotten...good job by all.  It is the little touches of humor both by the actors, and in the props...like a picture of Spidey's uncle (Martin Sheen) as a young man...that made this movie even more fun.

I think Sally Field (Spidey's aunt) is around my age, maybe a few years younger.   I  told my husband the question that replaces "does this outfit make me look fat?" is going  to be "do I look as old as she does?"   ;)  and he better come up with a good answer!

Anyway, I loved it!!
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Post by: twinbree on July 15, 2012, 12:43:41 PM
I loved the Amazing Spider-man. Already wondering which villain awaits in the sequel. The trend in comic book movies I'm loving is leaving teasers that get you excited for the next one as the credits roll.

It's made $200m so far. Not bad for a reboot. Pity Batman will be stealing the spotlight in a few days.
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Post by: GreenEnvy on July 15, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
I saw the Avengers and will definitely see TDKR, but was planning on skipping Spider-Man.

But based on the reviews here, I may try to catch it this week.
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Post by: LarBrd33 on July 16, 2012, 09:53:54 PM
In regards to Dark Knight Rises.  I don't follow fan forums, but I have some theories that are probably correct and probably will be considered spoilers.  So don't read on if you don't want to be spoiled.

Well before they even green lit the third movie, it always made logical sense to me to bring back Liam Neeson's Ra's Al Ghul character and his ninja "league of shadows" for the last movie of the trilogy. He's a ninja... he could have easily escaped that train crash. And all the fans know that in the comics Ra's Al Ghul is immortal. Too easy for that not to happen. Nice shock moment for the movie and it ties everything together.

That said, in the first movie they combined the "Ra's Al Ghul" character with the character Henri Ducard http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Henri_Ducard ... Ducard was Neeson's first identity in "Batman Begins" before he reveals himself to be the real Ra's Al Ghul. In the comics, Ducard teaches a young Bruce how to be a detective. Ducard is French. We know that Marion Cotillard is playing some character called "Miranda Tate".  Marion Cotillard is French. Therefore, I'm guessing that Marion Cotillard  playing Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul's daughter... Talia Al Ghul (eventual love-interest to Bruce who has his son).

That's just my guess.  I also think it's possible Joseph Gordan Levitt could be some version of Nightwing (I remember Nolan saying they would never include Robin... but a Nightwing-esque character doesn't seem too off the table) and Batman might end up dying/have his back broken... but I came up with this independent of any fanboy forums.  SO i'm sorry if it's well established stuff.  I could see Bruce Wayne dying, but Batman "living on" (maybe that's the purpose of Gordon Levitt's character).
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Post by: Moranis on July 16, 2012, 10:27:55 PM
I saw the Avengers and will definitely see TDKR, but was planning on skipping Spider-Man.

But based on the reviews here, I may try to catch it this week.
If you like the super hero genre, then you should definitely catch the new spidey.  I'm just glad I went on the 4th, so this weekend can be fully devoted to Batman.
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Post by: fitzhickey on July 16, 2012, 10:29:43 PM
I can't wait for tdkr because it looks Awesome
Spidey was legendary and so was avenger
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Post by: Moranis on July 18, 2012, 11:04:52 AM
Been reading reviews for Dark Knight Rises and they are good, but not great.  Lots of 3 stars and B ratings.  Most say the movie lacks focus and tries to be too much and doesn't have near enough Batman screen time (a lot of Wayne, not so much of Batman) and too much Bane (who is a weak villain as portrayed in the movie according to most of the reviews). 
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Post by: Lightskinsmurf on July 18, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Spiderman hands down not even close.
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Post by: KCattheStripe on July 18, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
Avengers was the best Superhero movie of all time.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 18, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
Avengers was the best Superhero movie of all time.

Quoted for Truth.

DC had better get hot. Justice League - take notes.

Don't blow it.
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Post by: Scott on July 18, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
A little off topic but an entertaining read.  The application of physics to Batman.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/comic-book-physics?fb_ref=scn%2Ffb_ec%2Fdown_to_earth&fb_source=profile_multiline (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/comic-book-physics?fb_ref=scn%2Ffb_ec%2Fdown_to_earth&fb_source=profile_multiline)
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Post by: Celtics4ever on July 18, 2012, 10:16:23 PM
I read a whole book becoming Batman.  It was a nice read.   About how Batman would take years to get ready and only have 2-3 years before he got out of his prime.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 18, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
A little off topic but an entertaining read.  The application of physics to Batman.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/comic-book-physics?fb_ref=scn%2Ffb_ec%2Fdown_to_earth&fb_source=profile_multiline (http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2012/07/comic-book-physics?fb_ref=scn%2Ffb_ec%2Fdown_to_earth&fb_source=profile_multiline)

Haha..this reminds me of a lecture one of my Physics instructors gave us about The Avengers. He saw the movie and I believe he liked it.

He noted how funny it was to see Nick Fury at the beginning of the movie survive that drop from the sky.

BatMan (and Captain America to some extent) relate better to the laws of Physics.
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Post by: letsgoblue86 on July 20, 2012, 03:01:02 AM
Just saw Dark Knight Rises and it was unbelievable.  One of the best films I have EVER seen.

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Post by: LarBrd33 on July 21, 2012, 04:11:21 AM
Dark Knight Rises was alright.  Not unbelievable.  Not the best movie ever.  THat's just fanboy endorphins. 

I still say "Batman Begins" was a better movie than "Dark Knight", but Heath Ledger was fantastic as "The Joker" and stole the show.  Replace the Joker/Ledger's performance with another villain and it's not as interesting as "Batman Begins".  That's basically what "Dark Knight Rises" is... it's "The Dark Knight" without The Joker.  Good movie.  Some holes and sloppy plot points.  Both of the character reveals were obvious and predictable if you are a fan of the comics.  Tom Hardy was ok as Bane, but really the mask prevented you from ever really seeing him "act"... his voice was a bit odd.  It's sounded like Sean Connery mixed with a Dalek.  My girlfriend thought he was flat out "bad" in it and said he sounded cartoonish... I didn't mind it as much.  Solid movie, though... but definitely the 3rd best of the Trilogy. 

I enjoyed it, though and certainly recommend it.  It's just what I completely expected.  "Batman Begins" felt revolutionary, original and a brilliant take on the genre.  "Dark Knight" was far less interesting from a Bruce Wayne/Batman standpoint, but Heath Ledger completely stole the show and it was undeniably awesome, because of that performance.  This one... I dunno... Solid way to wrap up the story, but it wasn't as good as either movie.     
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Post by: Lightskinsmurf on July 21, 2012, 05:20:32 AM
I still haven't even seen the batman movie. Batman sucks in comparison to spiderman!
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Post by: xmuscularghandix on July 21, 2012, 07:47:01 AM
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/51/5127/RNJEG00Z/posters/kirby-jack-avengers-classic-4-cover-captain-america-iron-man-thor-giant-man-and-wasp.jpg)

Easy question.
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Post by: Lightskinsmurf on July 21, 2012, 08:10:48 AM
Haven't seen the avengers either.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: manl_lui on July 21, 2012, 09:05:25 AM
to be honest after seeing all 3 superhero movies

I'd rank by storyline

Dark Knight
Spiderman
Avengers

If you talk about how much I enjoy it

Avengers
Dark Knight
Spiderman

Avengers is more action packed while Dark Knight and Spiderman has more storyline
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Sketch5 on July 21, 2012, 09:10:56 AM
Just saw Dark Knight Rises and it was unbelievable.  One of the best films I have EVER seen.



Must not have seen too many movie then...

Now Im a big Batman fan, but the movie was good, NOT UNBELIEVABLE.

I left the theater thinking, that was good. After the Avengers I left saying "holy crap lets see that again now!"

One thing Nolan did was make it too real, and drags out the characters too much. Theres no real inspiring scenes with Batman, kinda fell flat.

It's kinda why Im ready for the next faze of Batman stories, bring in a team that will make the character larger than life.  
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 21, 2012, 01:31:29 PM
Just saw Dark Knight Rises and it was unbelievable.  One of the best films I have EVER seen.



Must not have seen too many movie then...

Now Im a big Batman fan, but the movie was good, NOT UNBELIEVABLE.

I left the theater thinking, that was good. After the Avengers I left saying "holy crap lets see that again now!"

One thing Nolan did was make it too real, and drags out the characters too much. Theres no real inspiring scenes with Batman, kinda fell flat.

It's kinda why Im ready for the next faze of Batman stories, bring in a team that will make the character larger than life.  
I pretty much agree with you.  I do think what Nolan did was awesome, though.  The three movies fit together.  This wrapped up the story and themes.  But the first two were better.  The idea of doing a "realistic" portrayal of a popular Superhero seemed revolutionary when "Batman Begins" came out.  It was fresh and exciting... a hugely welcome change from the crap Batman movies that proceeded it.  The second movie was ALL The Joker.. otherwise it would have felt a little like a rehash.  Seriously... take "The JOker" out of "Dark Knight" and it's a weaker story than "Batman Begins".  Ledger carried that movie.  With this third movie, it definitely feels like more of the same.  It's no longer exciting for being "revolutionary", "new" and "fresh"...  So it lost a little of what made "Batman Begins" so awesome.  And having no Heath Ledger made it lose almost all of what made "Dark Knight" so awesome.  Still, as someone with a passing knowledge of the Batman mythos, I found it interesting how they decided to shoehorn famous characters/backstories into the "Nolan world".  It was a nice end to the story, but a lot of it was handled a little sloppy.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how they handle the inevitable reboot of Batman.  I really appreciate what Nolan did, but I think the next iteration should try to mirror the comics more.  In other words... not highly stylized Burton or dark (crappy) campy Schumacher... not hyper-realistic Nolan.  I think the look and feel of the characters should maybe be a bit like the "Arkham City"/"Arkham Asylum" games.  Maybe you can just completely do away with the origin story (since we all know it) and just do a true-to-comics Batman movie. 
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: thirstyboots18 on July 21, 2012, 02:19:07 PM
 I liked the character development in The Amazing Spiderman more than I like the action in the Avengers.   Spidey drew me in to the story more.

I  guess it all depends on what you are looking for...
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Sketch5 on July 21, 2012, 02:49:23 PM
Just saw Dark Knight Rises and it was unbelievable.  One of the best films I have EVER seen.



Must not have seen too many movie then...

Now Im a big Batman fan, but the movie was good, NOT UNBELIEVABLE.

I left the theater thinking, that was good. After the Avengers I left saying "holy crap lets see that again now!"

One thing Nolan did was make it too real, and drags out the characters too much. Theres no real inspiring scenes with Batman, kinda fell flat.

It's kinda why Im ready for the next faze of Batman stories, bring in a team that will make the character larger than life.  
I pretty much agree with you.  I do think what Nolan did was awesome, though.  The three movies fit together.  This wrapped up the story and themes.  But the first two were better.  The idea of doing a "realistic" portrayal of a popular Superhero seemed revolutionary when "Batman Begins" came out.  It was fresh and exciting... a hugely welcome change from the crap Batman movies that proceeded it.  The second movie was ALL The Joker.. otherwise it would have felt a little like a rehash.  Seriously... take "The JOker" out of "Dark Knight" and it's a weaker story than "Batman Begins".  Ledger carried that movie.  With this third movie, it definitely feels like more of the same.  It's no longer exciting for being "revolutionary", "new" and "fresh"...  So it lost a little of what made "Batman Begins" so awesome.  And having no Heath Ledger made it lose almost all of what made "Dark Knight" so awesome.  Still, as someone with a passing knowledge of the Batman mythos, I found it interesting how they decided to shoehorn famous characters/backstories into the "Nolan world".  It was a nice end to the story, but a lot of it was handled a little sloppy.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how they handle the inevitable reboot of Batman.  I really appreciate what Nolan did, but I think the next iteration should try to mirror the comics more.  In other words... not highly stylized Burton or dark (crappy) campy Schumacher... not hyper-realistic Nolan.  I think the look and feel of the characters should maybe be a bit like the "Arkham City"/"Arkham Asylum" games.  Maybe you can just completely do away with the origin story (since we all know it) and just do a true-to-comics Batman movie. 

I do like the character development and story lines that Nolan did, I agree he brought something to it. Bane was a bad choice, didn't seem like a huge threat like the Joker did. Some was the mask hindered things. I think Riddler would have made a nicer choice, with Bane as the muscle.

The Arkham story lines would be fun. I think the "Night of the Owls" story line that they are doing now would work really nice as a beginning story. You can do a beginning like they did with Hulk and have a bunch of news paper shots of the killing of the Waynes, Bruce Wayne missing, his return, Batmans first appearance, something about Commissioner Gordan and  so on in the beginning of the credits. And then move on to to story.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: All Star Matt Clement on July 22, 2012, 02:18:21 AM
really enjoyed Dark Knight Rises, but yeah hard to match the first one's novelty.

SPOILER
LarBrd you called it with the Talia Ras Ghul thing and Blake inheriting Batman's mantle.

Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on July 22, 2012, 06:54:07 PM
Just got back from Batman.  Of the three movies in the thread, I felt Spiderman was the best of the three.  It was a fairly new take on the story, was well written, well acted, well directed, and was just an awesomely done story.  And Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are the perfect Peter and Gwen.  They are perfect together with such a great chemistry they were totally believable in that role.

Avengers was the second best.  Just an awesome thrillride from the outset.  Good story, good acting, etc.  I am just more of a fan of the origin type story.  With so many characters it is hard to draw a real connection even with the four predecessor movies.  Not enough screen time for all of them, but that is what that type of movies has to be and in that I can't see how they could have done it much better.

Batman felt too similar to the first two and sure they all related together, but it was way too much of a rehash of the first two for me.  The three villains in the Batman movies were just out for chaos for the sake of chaos and that just doesn't resonate well with me.  Liam Neeson and Heath Ledger did a great job of it, but you just didn't that connection with Tom Hardy.  I did really like Catwoman in this.  By far the best movie version of her.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on July 22, 2012, 06:56:16 PM
And the trailer for the new Superman has me totally excited for the summer of 2013.  That movie looks pretty solid.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
really enjoyed Dark Knight Rises, but yeah hard to match the first one's novelty.

SPOILER
LarBrd you called it with the Talia Ras Ghul thing and Blake inheriting Batman's mantle.


SPOILERS:

I actually expected Ra's Al Ghul to actually return... a big shocker towards the end that he was still alive.  Instead he just returned in the form of the vision... which actually makes more sense, placates the "immortality" angle and keeps with the anti-comicbooky feel of everything (having him return out of nowhere could potentially have felt a little like deus ex machina).  Instead, the Talia reveal and the twisting of Bane's origin to be Talia's acted as the big "shocker" piece instead.  I did really enjoy the movie and think it all logically added up as a complete story.  I think it would have been harder to tie up the entire Batman mythos in 3 movies with the Riddler.  Bane's connection to the League of Shadows/Talia just tied it together properly and I believe a lot of that was inspired by the comics (Bane's connection to Ra's Al Ghul and such). 

I also called Joseph Gordan Levitt being Robin just from the trailers.  There was a bit in the trailer where he was at the orphanage and it alluded to him being an orphan himself... so I instantly thought:  beat cop, orphan, random major character... John Blake has to be his adopted name... his real name must be Dick Grayson... and at the end they'll probably skip the "Robin" thing and make him some unnamed form of Nightwing.  I was a little wrong on that hunch... with his name actually being "Robin John Blake".  I don't think he was exactly Dick Grayson... he was more an Amalgamation of the many folks who had been "Robin" like Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake.  That was a smart way of doing it.  The "Robin John Blake" character was more the "essence" of Robin than any particular specific character.  I have to give Nolan credit for that.  Nolan said multiple times he would never have Robin in his version of the story since Robin wouldn't fit in his world.  And technically he didn't lie... it wasn't exactly "Robin".  It was the essence of the Robin character reimagined as "Robin John Blake". 

That said... my best friend and his girlfriend went to see it... she hated it and he was so bored he fell asleep (despite the fact he was incredibly jacked up to see it).  Definitely the weakest of the three movies.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: greg_kite on July 29, 2012, 06:48:58 PM
Went to Dark Night yesterday and really liked it.  I didn't like it as much as the Avengers but they are totally different types of movies.

Bane was a good villain but they really messed up his voice, sounded like a cross between Dr Evil and Darth Vader.

The story was great and I think it was a perfect way to end the trilogy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Batman retired for a little while.  DC needs to start building some of their other characters.  If Marvel can do it I don't see why DC can't.  Starting over with Superman is a good start.  Hopefully Flash is in the lineup.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: staticcc on July 29, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross

Here you go. Avengers is already #2 all time. DKR is #50 after two weeks, Spiderman is #75.

IMO, Batman will be number 2 in a month's time, possibly #1.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 29, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
I too liked the movie.  It's Nolan's vision of Batman and not the official DC canon.   I think the second movie was better than this one but this one still rocked.   Doesn't have the humor that the Avengers worked in though.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on July 29, 2012, 08:04:44 PM
thanks for letting me know Batman is all about story line that way i dont waste time or money.

If i want story lines i'll watch general hospital.

I read comics as a youngin for the action and was fascinated by the different characters and powers.
Avengers was all that, a orange crush and cool ranch doritos. I dont need to feel for Batman. The new Superman flix is jus a remake of the first so im not hyped bout that.

Avengers is what a comic book movie should be about.
jus hulk smash.
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Kiorrik on August 01, 2012, 08:44:38 AM
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Full view version:
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Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: Moranis on August 02, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Thor 2 bad guy is Malekith the Accursed

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/02/christopher-eccleston-thor-2-malekith/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/02/christopher-eccleston-thor-2-malekith/)
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: ManUp on August 02, 2012, 03:28:19 PM
No spawn remake? The last movie kind of sucked.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 02, 2012, 04:09:05 PM
news on X-Men First Class 2: Days of Future Past 

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/02/x-men-days-future-past-first-class-sequel/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/02/x-men-days-future-past-first-class-sequel/)
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 02, 2012, 04:40:01 PM
Went to Dark Night yesterday and really liked it.  I didn't like it as much as the Avengers but they are totally different types of movies.

Bane was a good villain but they really messed up his voice, sounded like a cross between Dr Evil and Darth Vader.

The story was great and I think it was a perfect way to end the trilogy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Batman retired for a little while.  DC needs to start building some of their other characters.  If Marvel can do it I don't see why DC can't.  Starting over with Superman is a good start.  Hopefully Flash is in the lineup.
I was obsessed with Superman as a kid.  Loved the old movies.  As an adult, I have to acknowledge that Superman is a major challenge.  Superman is an exceptionally difficult character to do as a film these days and get taken seriously.  Very difficult.  I think it will suffer the same pitfalls of "Thor" and "Green Lantern"... which is to say that when you base a significant portion of your character on unexplainable magic-esque powers from unrelatable alien worlds... it's very difficult for modern audiences to suspend their disbelief.  What I'm saying is... you might be able to come up with a cheesy popcorn flick (like Thor and Green Lantern), but there's no way you're going to come up with a "great" film that is critically acclaimed (like The Dark Knight).  I just can't see it happening. 

First, can you think of any modern film that was critically acclaimed while leaning heavily on an alien planet?  "Prometheus" was alright, but not great.  It succeeded more, because it avoided really explaining much.  The Star Wars prequels were weak.  "John Carter from Mars" was weak.  When you're looking at Azgard in "Thor" or the alien planets in Green Lantern, it's too easy to just check out mentally and think it's ridiculous.   My girlfriend brought up "Avatar", but we both acknowledged it was successful mainly because of the otherworldly special effects and innovating techniques.  Most critics would acknowledge "Avatar" was sorta a crap story beyond the eye candy.  And even then, it's a lot easier to buy into a primitive species on an Alien planet 150 years from now.  With "Superman", you probably start the film with some aliens on a distant plant arguing politics. 

Then his powers.  I love his powers, but his powers are ridiculous.  How does he manage to see light and color using his x-ray vision?  That's ridiculous. How does one manage to shoot fire out of his eyeballs?  That's ridiculous.  Pretty much all of the successful superhero films lean on some sort of genetic mutation or advanced technology to allow folks to relate to the story and keep it somewhat grounded in reality.  Think of Iron-Man, Hulk, Batman, Captain America, Spider-man... it's all some pseudo science backing it up.  Undeniably unrealistic pseudo science, but it's enough for people to latch onto mentally.  You can't really use pseudo science to explain Superman.  About the only thing they can really say is that he's invulnerable, because his alien body is made up of denser cells or something.  That doesn't explain his ability to fly at will and freeze people with super breath.  In "Chronicle", they based all their powers on telekinetic ability... since they could move objects with their mind it allowed them to eventually move themselves with their mind.  It also benefited heavily by explaining NONE of their origin.

I was thinking there were two paths to potentially make a good Superman movie.

#1 - You keep the character and back story distant from the audience.  You don't blatantly explain anything.  You don't show Krypton at all.  You glimpse his life at different intervals.  Basically.. you do "Tree of Life", but with Superman.  Less is more.  Maybe you eliminate some of his more ridiculous powers.  The audience gradually learns he's different... that he's "alien" to this world.  And you keep it at that.  Think of the first half of "Phenomenon" before John Travolta realizes he has a brain tumor.  For part of that movie you buy into his sudden freak abilities and enjoy them without explanation.  Maybe that would work.  Or, maybe you explain his powers by going "What the Bleep" on it.  Some wonky quantom physics or higher level science.  Here's what I'm saying... we know that as humans the amount of the world we are actually able to visually see with our eyes is miniscule.  Less than 1/1,000,000 of a percent of the electro-magnetic spectrum is visible in light.  Someone else much smarter than me could explain this better.  Basically... as humans there is very little energy, light, color and particles we see with our human eyes and human brain.  There is an entire world in front of us that we don't see.  People have talked about this before... that if you go beyond cellular level and start getting into atoms and particles, you realize that everything in this entire world is connected.  Technically I could stand 1000 feet away from another person and we'd technically be "touching" via a long string of atoms.  Maybe Superman's advanced alien brain and body allows him to visually see more of the electromagnetic spectrum.  Maybe he can see and hear energy waves and atomic particles that our eyes are incapable of seeing... perhaps that's how he can see through buildings. You'd need to show a shot from his perspective... and have the world look ENTIRELY different than how we see it. The light, color, depth, energy waves, sound waves... everything entirely visible through his alien eyes. Show that.  Maybe the fact that this entire world is connected via atomic energy is the explanation for his ability to fly.  It's also the basis for telekinesis, actually.  It's the idea that I can move something with my mind, because technically I'm already touching it through energy.  Maybe Superman's advanced alien body can grasp ALL of the world we don't see.   Problem is, the more you delve into this "Tree of Life"/"What the Bleep" version of Superman... the less it will start to feel like Superman.  And then... what's the point?  BTW, from the brief trailer I saw of "Man of Steel", i thought it was interesting that the shots actually did remind me a bit of "Tree of Life".  I wonder if they are going in that direction.  I have very little hope, though.  I fear Zach Snyder is a total hack.

#2 - I think this is the second path you could take to make a "critically acclaimed" Superman movie.  Set it sometime between the 1930s-60s, make it HIGHLY stylized and forget about trying to shoehorn Superman into a "realistic" world.  Just make it really fun, somewhat campy and have a blast with it.   For example, if you set it in the 50s during an "innocent' period where people were deftly afraid of flying saucers... it might work.  By highly stylized I mean... movies like "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".  Not a very good movie, but that's what I'm talking about.  "Sin City" is another example of a highly stylized movie based on a comic.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying make Superman like "Sin City"... "Sin City" is a very dark comic.  I'm just saying "Sin City" is an excellent example of being hyper stylized, based on a comicbook... and still work.  You don't have to worry about making Superman fit into "The Dark Knight" world.  Just have fun with it.   I adored "Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World".  It was a fantastic little movie and partially, because it didn't bother with trying to be "real".  While I was enjoying the crap out of "Scott Pilgrim", I never stopped to say... "wait a second... these fight sequences don't mesh with the real world".  Do that with Superman.  Why not?  Stay true to Superman.  "The Incredibles" was an excellent movie, but it had the benefit of being a computer animated cartoon where expectations are different.  I still think you can make a true-to-the-comics over the top comicbook hero movie... you'd just need a capable director who doesn't mind embracing the content for what it is.  If done well... it could still be critically acclaimed.  I'd love to see a humorous take on the Mad Men era, extremely stylized... with Superman being his badass self without the burden of trying to make sense in the real world.  Don't apologize for his ridiculous powers, ridiculous secret identity and ridiculous origin.  EMBRACE them and make it as fun as possible.  It is entirely possible to make a "great" film based on Superman... you just need to completely change your expectations and go in the complete opposite direction of where the trend is heading.

Basically... would it be so terrible to do a live-action version of the 1940s cartoon... set in the 40s... with all the ridiculous and wonderful aspects that came with it? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMynm63A-k

Why not?

Just my opinion. 

Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 02, 2012, 04:44:09 PM
double post
Title: Re: 2012 Superhero Movies - Avengers, Batman Dark Knight, or Amazing Spiderman
Post by: greg_kite on August 02, 2012, 05:52:49 PM
Went to Dark Night yesterday and really liked it.  I didn't like it as much as the Avengers but they are totally different types of movies.

Bane was a good villain but they really messed up his voice, sounded like a cross between Dr Evil and Darth Vader.

The story was great and I think it was a perfect way to end the trilogy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Batman retired for a little while.  DC needs to start building some of their other characters.  If Marvel can do it I don't see why DC can't.  Starting over with Superman is a good start.  Hopefully Flash is in the lineup.
I was obsessed with Superman as a kid.  Loved the old movies.  As an adult, I have to acknowledge that Superman is a major challenge.  Superman is an exceptionally difficult character to do as a film these days and get taken seriously.  Very difficult.  I think it will suffer the same pitfalls of "Thor" and "Green Lantern"... which is to say that when you base a significant portion of your character on unexplainable magic-esque powers from unrelatable alien worlds... it's very difficult for modern audiences to suspend their disbelief.  What I'm saying is... you might be able to come up with a cheesy popcorn flick (like Thor and Green Lantern), but there's no way you're going to come up with a "great" film that is critically acclaimed (like The Dark Knight).  I just can't see it happening. 

First, can you think of any modern film that was critically acclaimed while leaning heavily on an alien planet?  "Prometheus" was alright, but not great.  It succeeded more, because it avoided really explaining much.  The Star Wars prequels were weak.  "John Carter from Mars" was weak.  When you're looking at Azgard in "Thor" or the alien planets in Green Lantern, it's too easy to just check out mentally and think it's ridiculous.   My girlfriend brought up "Avatar", but we both acknowledged it was successful mainly because of the otherworldly special effects and innovating techniques.  Most critics would acknowledge "Avatar" was sorta a crap story beyond the eye candy.  And even then, it's a lot easier to buy into a primitive species on an Alien planet 150 years from now.  With "Superman", you probably start the film with some aliens on a distant plant arguing politics. 

Then his powers.  I love his powers, but his powers are ridiculous.  How does he manage to see light and color using his x-ray vision?  That's ridiculous. How does one manage to shoot fire out of his eyeballs?  That's ridiculous.  Pretty much all of the successful superhero films lean on some sort of genetic mutation or advanced technology to allow folks to relate to the story and keep it somewhat grounded in reality.  Think of Iron-Man, Hulk, Batman, Captain America, Spider-man... it's all some pseudo science backing it up.  Undeniably unrealistic pseudo science, but it's enough for people to latch onto mentally.  You can't really use pseudo science to explain Superman.  About the only thing they can really say is that he's invulnerable, because his alien body is made up of denser cells or something.  That doesn't explain his ability to fly at will and freeze people with super breath.  In "Chronicle", they based all their powers on telekinetic ability... since they could move objects with their mind it allowed them to eventually move themselves with their mind.  It also benefited heavily by explaining NONE of their origin.

I was thinking there were two paths to potentially make a good Superman movie.

#1 - You keep the character and back story distant from the audience.  You don't blatantly explain anything.  You don't show Krypton at all.  You glimpse his life at different intervals.  Basically.. you do "Tree of Life", but with Superman.  Less is more.  Maybe you eliminate some of his more ridiculous powers.  The audience gradually learns he's different... that he's "alien" to this world.  And you keep it at that.  Think of the first half of "Phenomenon" before John Travolta realizes he has a brain tumor.  For part of that movie you buy into his sudden freak abilities and enjoy them without explanation.  Maybe that would work.  Or, maybe you explain his powers by going "What the Bleep" on it.  Some wonky quantom physics or higher level science.  Here's what I'm saying... we know that as humans the amount of the world we are actually able to visually see with our eyes is miniscule.  Less than 1/1,000,000 of a percent of the electro-magnetic spectrum is visible in light.  Someone else much smarter than me could explain this better.  Basically... as humans there is very little energy, light, color and particles we see with our human eyes and human brain.  There is an entire world in front of us that we don't see.  People have talked about this before... that if you go beyond cellular level and start getting into atoms and particles, you realize that everything in this entire world is connected.  Technically I could stand 1000 feet away from another person and we'd technically be "touching" via a long string of atoms.  Maybe Superman's advanced alien brain and body allows him to visually see more of the electromagnetic spectrum.  Maybe he can see and hear energy waves and atomic particles that our eyes are incapable of seeing... perhaps that's how he can see through buildings. You'd need to show a shot from his perspective... and have the world look ENTIRELY different than how we see it. The light, color, depth, energy waves, sound waves... everything entirely visible through his alien eyes. Show that.  Maybe the fact that this entire world is connected via atomic energy is the explanation for his ability to fly.  It's also the basis for telekinesis, actually.  It's the idea that I can move something with my mind, because technically I'm already touching it through energy.  Maybe Superman's advanced alien body can grasp ALL of the world we don't see.   Problem is, the more you delve into this "Tree of Life"/"What the Bleep" version of Superman... the less it will start to feel like Superman.  And then... what's the point?  BTW, from the brief trailer I saw of "Man of Steel", i thought it was interesting that the shots actually did remind me a bit of "Tree of Life".  I wonder if they are going in that direction.  I have very little hope, though.  I fear Zach Snyder is a total hack.

#2 - I think this is the second path you could take to make a "critically acclaimed" Superman movie.  Set it sometime between the 1930s-60s, make it HIGHLY stylized and forget about trying to shoehorn Superman into a "realistic" world.  Just make it really fun, somewhat campy and have a blast with it.   For example, if you set it in the 50s during an "innocent' period where people were deftly afraid of flying saucers... it might work.  By highly stylized I mean... movies like "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow".  Not a very good movie, but that's what I'm talking about.  "Sin City" is another example of a highly stylized movie based on a comic.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying make Superman like "Sin City"... "Sin City" is a very dark comic.  I'm just saying "Sin City" is an excellent example of being hyper stylized, based on a comicbook... and still work.  You don't have to worry about making Superman fit into "The Dark Knight" world.  Just have fun with it.   I adored "Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World".  It was a fantastic little movie and partially, because it didn't bother with trying to be "real".  While I was enjoying the crap out of "Scott Pilgrim", I never stopped to say... "wait a second... these fight sequences don't mesh with the real world".  Do that with Superman.  Why not?  Stay true to Superman.  "The Incredibles" was an excellent movie, but it had the benefit of being a computer animated cartoon where expectations are different.  I still think you can make a true-to-the-comics over the top comicbook hero movie... you'd just need a capable director who doesn't mind embracing the content for what it is.  If done well... it could still be critically acclaimed.  I'd love to see a humorous take on the Mad Men era, extremely stylized... with Superman being his badass self without the burden of trying to make sense in the real world.  Don't apologize for his ridiculous powers, ridiculous secret identity and ridiculous origin.  EMBRACE them and make it as fun as possible.  It is entirely possible to make a "great" film based on Superman... you just need to completely change your expectations and go in the complete opposite direction of where the trend is heading.

Basically... would it be so terrible to do a live-action version of the 1940s cartoon... set in the 40s... with all the ridiculous and wonderful aspects that came with it? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMynm63A-k

Why not?

Just my opinion.
Wow, awesome post.  I hadn't given much thought on HOW they could make it work, I just hoped they would.  I think if they try to make it critically acclaimed it would be pretty tough.  I like your second idea better, of making it stylized and in the 60s.  That way it becomes timeless and will not look as dated in 10 years.  I do know it is a reboot which mostl likely means they are going to show how he came and and show some Krypton.  I think the younger audience needs to see this as it hasn't been done well in a movie for 35 years.  Smallville and Superman Returns had a flashback but basically copied the 1978 movie.  If they can make it interesting and fresh I'd like to see that.  They do have Russell Crowe as Superman's father so I think there will be some Krypton.  Plus the villains from Superman 2 will be back, General Zod and the girl.  I think this will make for some great fights and effects but I just hope it doesn't come off as a remake.  I am hopeful they have a fresh story with lots of action.  I thought Christopher Nolan was involved as well but I may be wrong.  If he is I have high hopes.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 03, 2012, 12:48:43 AM
Nolan was involved as a producer of "Man of Steel", but the film is being directed by Zach Snyder.  Unfortunately, I think Zach Snyder is a total hack.  I have very low expectations for the "Man of Steel" movie... which is a darn shame, because I adored Superman as a kid.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 03, 2012, 06:33:18 AM
Nolan was involved as a producer of "Man of Steel", but the film is being directed by Zach Snyder.  Unfortunately, I think Zach Snyder is a total hack.  I have very low expectations for the "Man of Steel" movie... which is a darn shame, because I adored Superman as a kid.
300 was pretty darn good. 

I think you can do a pretty solid origin tale of Superman, but it needs to make him less boy scouty and much more flawed.  He shouldn't just land as this superman with all the morals and ideals.  He needs to grow into it.  Can you imagine having all that power as a kid, I mean the pranks, stunts, etc. that almost everyone would do with that kind of power would be crazy (and half the world would become a criminal).  Additionally, the world would never accept someone like that right away.  I think if you make Clark a flawed regular teenage kid in how he acts, you could get a fairly realistic take on him.  I mean Superman is never going to be as flawed a human as Batman, Iron Man, etc., but he certainly doesn't have to be a boy scout either.  I actually think Smallville did a pretty good job of portraying a flawed character that took a long time to develop into the hero the world needed.  Now obviously a television show on the air for 10 years has a lot more time than a movie, but I still think that point can be hammered home in a movie and you can even end the first movie without him fully transforming into the hero he will ultimately become and can carry over a bit of the flawed persona throughout the movies.

It appears they are going more the flawed man take based on the early trailer releases

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/zpvOT6HJCmg?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on August 04, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
just got back from seeing Spiderman (yeah, I know, much later than most but I always wait 3-5 weeks after the debut so I'm not in a packed theatre).  Story was ok but much preferred the Tobey Mcguire series. 

Spoiler alert for those who still haven't been yet
1. didn't like that in this movie Spiderman's identity was coughed up repeatedly.  only thing they didn't do was post his picture on a Times Square billboard.
2. wasn't thrilled with the storyline.  The lizard is supposedly a mindless brute in the comics yet he retains the brains/memory of Connors in the movie and THEN he reasons how he'll change everyone?  yeesh.
3. didn't like this portrayal of Peter Parker as more of a malcontent than bookwormish wimp.  too punkish.
4. didn't like that most of spiderman's skills were showed in a defensive nature rather than as a character that has superstrength and speed and can really kick some ass.  The webbing was more of a joke prop than something that made him formidable.
5. not thrilled with Sally Field as Aunt Mae--probably carrying over my annoyance of her character on Brothers and Sisters.  As my wife commented about her, she's too frumpy for NYC. 

I did like Emma Stone and Dennis Leary.  I thought they did well with their characters.  I'm hoping that the inevitable sequel will be done better.  Definitely preferred the Avengers to this.  Probably get out to the Batman movie later this month.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: dark_lord on August 13, 2012, 10:05:21 AM
i wish marvel would remake/re-create a daredevil movie. 
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: SquishPCfriar on August 13, 2012, 10:28:53 AM
Marvel is currently deciding whether or not to remake a daredevil movie because they just obtained the rights to him from fox.  I also heard they are trying to work out a deal with fox to trade daredevil back to fox in exchange for certain villains in the marvel universe.  Sounds awesome. 
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: dark_lord on August 13, 2012, 11:21:50 AM
Marvel is currently deciding whether or not to remake a daredevil movie because they just obtained the rights to him from fox.  I also heard they are trying to work out a deal with fox to trade daredevil back to fox in exchange for certain villains in the marvel universe.  Sounds awesome.

sweet!
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 21, 2012, 06:38:23 AM
deleted scene from the Avengers

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/08/20/avengers-deleted-scene/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/08/20/avengers-deleted-scene/)
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: greg_kite on August 21, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
Marvel is currently deciding whether or not to remake a daredevil movie because they just obtained the rights to him from fox.  I also heard they are trying to work out a deal with fox to trade daredevil back to fox in exchange for certain villains in the marvel universe.  Sounds awesome.

sweet!
That villain is Galactus, who they want to use in the Avengers.  Right now Fox has the rights for the Fantastic 4.  Man I sound like a nerd saying this but Galactus in an Avengers movie would be pretty cool.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on August 21, 2012, 08:38:03 AM
Marvel is currently deciding whether or not to remake a daredevil movie because they just obtained the rights to him from fox.  I also heard they are trying to work out a deal with fox to trade daredevil back to fox in exchange for certain villains in the marvel universe.  Sounds awesome.

sweet!
That villain is Galactus, who they want to use in the Avengers.  Right now Fox has the rights for the Fantastic 4.  Man I sound like a nerd saying this but Galactus in an Avengers movie would be pretty cool.
depends on how the movie presents Galactus.  the comics version may not be acceptable to non-comic-reading movie goers but the version in the Fantastic Four II movie sucked (literally and figuratively).
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: SquishPCfriar on August 21, 2012, 08:48:05 AM
Galactus should not be a villain in an Avengers movie but he is important to a thanos/guardians of the galaxy story line.  I heard the trade was Daredevil for Galactus and Silver Surfer.  That would be key.  Really excited for the next 6 years of marvel movies (phase 2).   
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: SquishPCfriar on August 21, 2012, 08:49:40 AM
Here are 4 more deleted scenes.  I love the captain america one. 


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=66069
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: SquishPCfriar on August 21, 2012, 08:50:40 AM
Actually these are the new deleted scenes.  I posted the wrong link before.


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=66066
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 30, 2012, 11:10:52 AM
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/08/28/avengers-alternate-opening/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/08/28/avengers-alternate-opening/)

Here is the alternate opening since it was apparently removed from squish's link.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Valentines_at_Popeyes on August 30, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
I want a Dr Strange film directed by Guillermo del Toro and a Fantastic Four film directed by Brad Bird.

I enjoyed the DK Rises quite a bit.  Anne Hathaway, you now have permission to dropkick my face.  Fun film.  Sleek. 

I thought the Spidey reboot was hot garbage.  Lizard's design was disappointing.  I was hoping for a McFarlane style design but not as extreme.  The kid who played Spidey was great in The Red Riding trology and Boy A--he was pretty good here too.  I didnt like the high school setting, origin was try-hard.

I hated The Avengers.  I thought it was very boring.  Special effects fatigue set in quickly.  Predictable dialogue, unlikable characters.  Snarky. 

I dont think film as a medium is very suitable for comics which are serialized.  Trying to smash a 14 issue story into  120 minutes compresses everything down like spam in a can.  Thats why I like the DC cartoons so much.  I wish they would do the same treatment to mature comics, televised in a episodic format rather than a cinematic one. 
 
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 30, 2012, 01:50:35 PM
I want a Dr Strange film directed by Guillermo del Toro and a Fantastic Four film directed by Brad Bird.

I enjoyed the DK Rises quite a bit.  Anne Hathaway, you now have permission to dropkick my face.  Fun film.  Sleek. 

I thought the Spidey reboot was hot garbage.  Lizard's design was disappointing.  I was hoping for a McFarlane style design but not as extreme.  The kid who played Spidey was great in The Red Riding trology and Boy A--he was pretty good here too.  I didnt like the high school setting, origin was try-hard.

I hated The Avengers.  I thought it was very boring.  Special effects fatigue set in quickly.  Predictable dialogue, unlikable characters.  Snarky. 

I dont think film as a medium is very suitable for comics which are serialized.  Trying to smash a 14 issue story into  120 minutes compresses everything down like spam in a can.  Thats why I like the DC cartoons so much.  I wish they would do the same treatment to mature comics, televised in a episodic format rather than a cinematic one. 
 
while I clearly don't agree with you about the three movies, you might find this interesting

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/29/shield-tv-show-joss-whedon-thoughts/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/29/shield-tv-show-joss-whedon-thoughts/)
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Valentines_at_Popeyes on August 30, 2012, 02:47:58 PM
I want a Dr Strange film directed by Guillermo del Toro and a Fantastic Four film directed by Brad Bird.

I enjoyed the DK Rises quite a bit.  Anne Hathaway, you now have permission to dropkick my face.  Fun film.  Sleek. 

I thought the Spidey reboot was hot garbage.  Lizard's design was disappointing.  I was hoping for a McFarlane style design but not as extreme.  The kid who played Spidey was great in The Red Riding trology and Boy A--he was pretty good here too.  I didnt like the high school setting, origin was try-hard.

I hated The Avengers.  I thought it was very boring.  Special effects fatigue set in quickly.  Predictable dialogue, unlikable characters.  Snarky. 

I dont think film as a medium is very suitable for comics which are serialized.  Trying to smash a 14 issue story into  120 minutes compresses everything down like spam in a can.  Thats why I like the DC cartoons so much.  I wish they would do the same treatment to mature comics, televised in a episodic format rather than a cinematic one. 
 
while I clearly don't agree with you about the three movies, you might find this interesting

http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/29/shield-tv-show-joss-whedon-thoughts/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/08/29/shield-tv-show-joss-whedon-thoughts/)

That is definitely interesting.  I would give that show a shot.  I like how Whedon can balance different plot threads and juggle cast chemistry in his shows and comics.  Might be a great fit.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 23, 2012, 09:29:25 AM
Iron Man 3 Trailer

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/23/iron-man-3-trailer/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/23/iron-man-3-trailer/)
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2012, 11:49:49 AM
Marvel is finally releasing the Phase 1 box set.  $219 for  6 movies with 4 discs of extras.  Also includes a look ahead to Phase 2

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/20/marvel-phase-one-phase-two/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/20/marvel-phase-one-phase-two/)

Of particular interest the Phase 2 movies

Quote
Marvel’s Phase Two, which starts in May with Iron Man 3 and includes Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and, of course, The Avengers 2
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 21, 2012, 11:54:23 AM
How come DC hasn't released a Wonder Woman or The Flash movie yet?

How stupid are they to not capitalize on the super hero movie success. I mean, Green Lantern wasnt even that great and it still made money. C'mon DC, we're talking about Wonder Woman here (and that better be Jessica Biel playing Princess Diana).
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on December 11, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Superman Trailer.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/12/11/man-of-steel-trailer-superman/
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Valentines_at_Popeyes on December 11, 2012, 03:40:44 PM
I wish that instead of comic book movies we had superhero mini-series with good production values. 

Wonder Woman has some really great stories going on right now.  Brian Azzarello has been writing up a storm and really modernizing the Wonder Woman character and giving her a great supporting cast. 

Problem is that the best comic stories unfold over time and build on previous developments.  These stories are episodic and so its unnatural to smash them down into a two hour film. 

I dont understand why American comics are not translated into American animanted series geared towards mature audiences.  In Japan if an anime is a success it gets turned into an anime.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: indeedproceed on December 11, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Marvel is finally releasing the Phase 1 box set.  $219 for  6 movies with 4 discs of extras.  Also includes a look ahead to Phase 2

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/20/marvel-phase-one-phase-two/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/20/marvel-phase-one-phase-two/)

Of particular interest the Phase 2 movies

Quote
Marvel’s Phase Two, which starts in May with Iron Man 3 and includes Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and, of course, The Avengers 2

Nobody thinks its ironic that Marvel is referring to their movies loadout the same way a supervillian would refer to elements their plan?
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: angryguy77 on December 11, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svd4fe8HEZI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVW6SH2bjYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLp14MKDDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOg3ZE3hNQc

I just saw these last weekend, they're hilarious.If you don't think so, you probably need medication.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on December 11, 2012, 04:25:12 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 11, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
I was really not happy Brian Singer was directing the new xmen movie, he ruined Superman and his xmen movies were so so.

DC should do some New Gods, Orion vs. Darksied.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 11, 2012, 07:01:18 PM
Marvel is currently deciding whether or not to remake a daredevil movie because they just obtained the rights to him from fox.  I also heard they are trying to work out a deal with fox to trade daredevil back to fox in exchange for certain villains in the marvel universe.  Sounds awesome.

sweet!

They should tie DD into a Defenders movie. He was a standing member of the Defenders, along with Dr. Strange, Hulk, Luke Cage, Iron fist, Ghost Rider and a few others.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 11, 2012, 07:02:27 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D

"Blinded me with Science".....?
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 11, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
How come DC hasn't released a Wonder Woman or The Flash movie yet?

How stupid are they to not capitalize on the super hero movie success. I mean, Green Lantern wasnt even that great and it still made money. C'mon DC, we're talking about Wonder Woman here (and that better be Jessica Biel playing Princess Diana).

I just hope that whoever does Justice League (IF it happens), don't goon it up.

Avengers has set a HUGE bar.
Title: Re: The General Superhero Movie Thread
Post by: Edgar on December 11, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
How come DC hasn't released a Wonder Woman or The Flash movie yet?

How stupid are they to not capitalize on the super hero movie success. I mean, Green Lantern wasnt even that great and it still made money. C'mon DC, we're talking about Wonder Woman here (and that better be Jessica Biel playing Princess Diana).

I just hope that whoever does Justice League (IF it happens), don't goon it up.

Avengers has set a HUGE bar.

Justice League needs respect 

that means.....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: slamtheking on December 11, 2012, 08:49:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svd4fe8HEZI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVW6SH2bjYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLp14MKDDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOg3ZE3hNQc

I just saw these last weekend, they're hilarious.If you don't think so, you probably need medication.
loved the 2-face bit!!
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on December 11, 2012, 09:30:13 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D

"Blinded me with Science".....?
Nah something about calculating or maths. Don't really remember :p

Is that a quote from a song or something? :)
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 11, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D

"Blinded me with Science".....?
Nah something about calculating or maths. Don't really remember :p

Is that a quote from a song or something? :)

Yeah..a rather old song, too ;D
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on December 11, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D

"Blinded me with Science".....?
Nah something about calculating or maths. Don't really remember :p

Is that a quote from a song or something? :)

Yeah..a rather old song, too ;D
Time for some youtubing :)
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 11, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
"... with science ..."

:]]

Epic. TP's incoming :D

"Blinded me with Science".....?
Nah something about calculating or maths. Don't really remember :p

Is that a quote from a song or something? :)

Yeah..a rather old song, too ;D
Time for some youtubing :)

Thomas Dolby ;D
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on February 05, 2013, 08:55:43 PM
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/02/05/chris-pratt-set-to-lead-guardians-of-the-galaxy/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/02/05/chris-pratt-set-to-lead-guardians-of-the-galaxy/)

Interesting
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on June 21, 2013, 02:53:09 PM
Downey Jr., back as Iron Man for Avengers 2 and 3, but nothing about Iron Man 4. 

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/06/20/robert-downey-jr-to-return-as-iron-man-for-two-avengers-movies/ (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/06/20/robert-downey-jr-to-return-as-iron-man-for-two-avengers-movies/)
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on July 21, 2013, 01:11:05 PM
Man of Steel 2 will have an appearance by Batman according to Zach Snyder at ComicCon (apparently they are going to be fighting each other in some capacity).  No mention of who would play Batman, but this seems to tie in with DC Comics goal of the Justice League movie (even if they do start off at odds with each other).
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: manl_lui on July 21, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
Man of Steel 2 will have an appearance by Batman according to Zach Snyder at ComicCon (apparently they are going to be fighting each other in some capacity).  No mention of who would play Batman, but this seems to tie in with DC Comics goal of the Justice League movie (even if they do start off at odds with each other).

no Christian Bale :(, and Man of Steel's storyline was very lackluster
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: celticdog on July 21, 2013, 03:26:03 PM
I like to read graphic novels but dont enjoy superhero films.

I think it is because I enjoy the comic art and the comic medium more than the "brand" of characters.  I dont feel that comics translate to film well. 

I like superhero cartoons though.

 (http://www.genreonline.net/Genre_files/JusticeLeague3RDSeasonPremiere.jpg)
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 21, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
Comics are the mythology of today.   Superman is a modern Hercules and Batman a modern Odysseus.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 06, 2013, 06:58:48 AM
Josh Brolin is the frontrunner for Batman.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Evantime34 on August 06, 2013, 10:17:27 AM
I'm pumped for Ant Man.

I am also confused as to how Ant Man isn't in the Avengers movie but the bad guy is going to be Ultron, who was created by Ant Man.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on August 06, 2013, 04:49:20 PM
Most recent theory I've heard on that, is Tony Stark creating Ultron.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 06, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
Most recent theory I've heard on that, is Tony Stark creating Ultron.
Yeah the picture of Ultron looks a lot like the Iron Man mask so it would make sense.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on August 06, 2013, 05:36:16 PM
Most recent theory I've heard on that, is Tony Stark creating Ultron.
Yeah the picture of Ultron looks a lot like the Iron Man mask so it would make sense.
I also recall someone in an interview, be it someone from Marvel or someone working on the movie, saying something along the lines of "maybe Antman doesn't create Ultron".

But that's obviously as vague as it gets ;)

Another person went as far as to predict Iron Man would sacrifice himself to kill Ultron -> Exit RDJ. Though I could see that happen, I wouldn't go so far as to consider it a rumour.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 06, 2013, 05:59:08 PM
Ultron is the creation of Hank Pym,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron

That would be Antman who is yet to be in a movie but it is slated in 2015.   Of course, the movies may ignore the comics.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Kiorrik on August 06, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
Did some research (read: I went to wikipedia)

In this animation, Tony Stark creates Ultron:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Avengers:_Heroes_of_Tomorrow

Ultron taking over Iron Man's suit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IronMan-48.jpg

And @Celtics4ever; I think Moranis and me were referring to this little nugget:
Quote
At San Diego Comic-Con International 2013, Joss Whedon and Kevin Feige confirmed that Ultron will be introduced as the villain in the Marvel Studios film Marvel's The Avengers: Age of Ultron.[59][60] Whedon also confirmed that Hank Pym will not be involved with the creation of the film version Ultron
From here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron#Film

And there you go. Tony Stark seems highly likely.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 06, 2013, 07:03:56 PM
Movies are different from comics.  Nick Fury was a white guy for ywars in the comics.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 29, 2013, 12:09:04 PM
James Spader cast as Ultron for Avengers 2: Age of Ultron. 
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: slamtheking on August 29, 2013, 12:52:05 PM
Movies are different from comics.  Nick Fury was a white guy for ywars in the comics.
he still is.  Samuel L Jackson's biggest secret -- an intense tanning regimen
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: birdwatcher on August 29, 2013, 12:52:49 PM
Josh Brolin is the frontrunner for Batman.
I heard it was Ben Affleck. Seriously.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 29, 2013, 03:00:25 PM
James Spader will be playing Ultron in some fashion in the next Avengers.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 29, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
James Spader will be playing Ultron in some fashion in the next Avengers.
I posted that last page, which brought this thread back to the front.  It is an interesting casting choice.

And since Avengers 2 is sub titled the Age of Ultron I imagine he will have a pretty big role.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 29, 2013, 03:36:03 PM
James Spader will be playing Ultron in some fashion in the next Avengers.
I posted that last page, which brought this thread back to the front.  It is an interesting casting choice.

And since Avengers 2 is sub titled the Age of Ultron I imagine he will have a pretty big role.

Oops, sorry about that - but have I ever got some hot news about the new Batman!  :o

By "some fashion" I meant it might just be a voiceover, or they might physically involve Spader via motion capture or the like.  Or, best case, they'll just slap some circuit boards on him like that freaky lady in Superman 3.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 29, 2013, 03:45:34 PM
James Spader will be playing Ultron in some fashion in the next Avengers.
I posted that last page, which brought this thread back to the front.  It is an interesting casting choice.

And since Avengers 2 is sub titled the Age of Ultron I imagine he will have a pretty big role.

Oops, sorry about that - but have I ever got some hot news about the new Batman!  :o

By "some fashion" I meant it might just be a voiceover, or they might physically involve Spader via motion capture or the like.  Or, best case, they'll just slap some circuit boards on him like that freaky lady in Superman 3.
The promo going around has Ultron's costume looking very much like Iron Man.  The thinking is that Tony Stark creates Ultron and thus he looks very much like Iron Man (which is obviously different than the comic book world, but would seemingly fit in the movie scheme).  Thus, I would imagine that Spader will be in an Iron Man esque suit for much of his screen time.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 29, 2013, 04:03:27 PM
The promo going around has Ultron's costume looking very much like Iron Man.  The thinking is that Tony Stark creates Ultron and thus he looks very much like Iron Man (which is obviously different than the comic book world, but would seemingly fit in the movie scheme).  Thus, I would imagine that Spader will be in an Iron Man esque suit for much of his screen time.

I think the Iron Man creation story makes a lot of sense, but I doubt they'll have Spader in a suit since Ultron isn't a person.  Easier to just mocap someone or fully CGI it and add the voice later.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: makaveli on August 29, 2013, 04:14:09 PM
IMHO Superman Returns was a 8/10, Man of Steel 5/10, reaaalllyy disappointing
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on August 30, 2013, 06:41:57 AM
The promo going around has Ultron's costume looking very much like Iron Man.  The thinking is that Tony Stark creates Ultron and thus he looks very much like Iron Man (which is obviously different than the comic book world, but would seemingly fit in the movie scheme).  Thus, I would imagine that Spader will be in an Iron Man esque suit for much of his screen time.

I think the Iron Man creation story makes a lot of sense, but I doubt they'll have Spader in a suit since Ultron isn't a person.  Easier to just mocap someone or fully CGI it and add the voice later.
certainly possible, but Whedon has said he wants to humanize the character.  I have no idea what he means by that and he wouldn't clarify.  So while it is possible he will be totally CGI, it is also possible they will do something where he is more human like.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 19, 2013, 07:48:15 PM
Just read (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/paul-rudd-marvel-ant-man-1200756440/) that Paul Rudd will be playing Ant-Man.

My initial reaction: Not good.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 19, 2013, 07:59:33 PM
Just read (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/paul-rudd-marvel-ant-man-1200756440/) that Paul Rudd will be playing Ant-Man.

My initial reaction: Not good.
Why?... you a big Ant-Man fan? lol

I don't know squat about Ant-Man, but I'm pretty sure that that movie will be awesome.  It's written/directed by Edgar Wright:  Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim Vs the World, The World's End

I'm a video editor for a living.  Edgar Wright's movies are freaking amazing.  The editing in the films blow my mind.  Just watch "Scott Pilgrim Vs The World" if you haven't.  Vastly underrated movie.  It's one of the most uniquely awesome and creative films I've ever seen.  How he plays with the comicbook/video game style is brilliant.  living typography, comic-esque panels, linear conversations over nonlinear time, etc.  Ugh... it's sooo sooo good.

Ant-Man will be wildly entertaining.  I'm not concerned at all about Paul Rudd.  My only mild concern is actually that since Ant-Man is part of Marvel/Avenger's vast film universe that there might be some stylistic limitations on what Edgar Wright can do with this.  I hope they let him have fun with it and not worry so much if it doesn't "feel" the same as the other movies.

Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 19, 2013, 10:51:40 PM
Just read (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/paul-rudd-marvel-ant-man-1200756440/) that Paul Rudd will be playing Ant-Man.

My initial reaction: Not good.
Why?... you a big Ant-Man fan? lol

A "big" Ant-Man fan? I see what you did there.  ;D

Ant-Man's not my favorite, but I like him, and I just don't see Paul Rudd as the superhero type—I hope they don't end up with another Ryan-Reynolds-as-Green-Lantern on their hands.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 19, 2013, 11:34:02 PM
Just read (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/paul-rudd-marvel-ant-man-1200756440/) that Paul Rudd will be playing Ant-Man.

My initial reaction: Not good.
Why?... you a big Ant-Man fan? lol

A "big" Ant-Man fan? I see what you did there.  ;D

Ant-Man's not my favorite, but I like him, and I just don't see Paul Rudd as the superhero type—I hope they don't end up with another Ryan-Reynolds-as-Green-Lantern on their hands.
If that's your concern, you should fear not.  Green Lantern had a "meh" director.  Martin Campbell... guy has more misses on his record than hits.  Couple Zorro movies. Some crap films like "The Edge of Darkness".  He did, however, direct "Casino Royale" which was pretty solid.

Also, Green Lantern was written by 4 hacks you've never heard of. 

Like I said, Edgar Wright is an exceptional writer/director and you should be very excited for "Ant-Man".  The character is ultimately kinda silly... he shrinks his size and uses mind control on ants.  Expect this to be as "fun" and "quirky" as a superhero film can be.  Paul Rudd will be great.

Edgar Wright originally wrote this in 2006.  They shelved it, because it wasn't part of the big name Marvel characters.  They are finally ready to move forward with it.  Wright had to do some re-writes so it would fit into the existing Marvel Universe.  But yeah... I hope they let him do this in his own style, because I'm sure it will be extremely fun.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Moranis on April 07, 2014, 06:56:27 AM
loved the new Captain America.  very entertaining. 
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 07, 2014, 07:26:40 AM
Quote
IMHO Superman Returns was a 8/10, Man of Steel 5/10, reaaalllyy disappointing

I don't agree with this and neither did the world given the box office.    I think Singer is an ok director.   But I think they should reboot the X-men like they did and roll with it.   That last x-men movie was better any Singer's too.

His cast was great but I think several could have done a way better job.   Superman returns stunk!  Man of Steel was laying the groundwork for the new DC universe.   Rumor has it Wonder Woman will be from Krypton in the next movie.   Old Batman not Christian Bale too.
Title: Re: Superman & Upcoming Marvel Movies
Post by: Sketch5 on April 07, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
IMHO Superman Returns was a 8/10, Man of Steel 5/10, reaaalllyy disappointing

While it's your opinion and tastes what movie was better, I still have to say your wrong. :P

Superman Returns was boring as heck. The best part was him catching a plane and getting shot in the eye. It was a complete fan movie by Singer. He was trying to make a romance out of Superman, and it didn't work, and the main villain was a giant rock.

While there are faults with Snyders Man of Steel, it was better and more watchable than Returns. Superman actually got to punch someone. Yes the end fight scene was over the top and maybe over compensating for Returns, but over all it was much more fun.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 07, 2014, 08:30:06 AM
Superhero movies of 2014

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - out already
The Amazing Spiderman 2 - May 2nd
X-Men: Days of Future Past - May 23rd
Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st


Future Projected Release Dates
Avengers Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
The Fantastic Four - June 19, 2015
Ant Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America 3 - May 6, 2016
Man of Steel 2 (Batman v. Superman) - May 6, 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Amazing Spiderman 3 - June 10, 2016
Untitled Marvel film - July 8, 2016
Wolverine 3 - March 3, 2017
Untitled Marvel film - May 5, 2017
The Fantastic Four 2 - July 14, 2017
Amazing Spiderman 4 - May 4, 2018
Untitled Marvel Film - July 13, 2018
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenWarrior on April 07, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
Superhero movies of 2014

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - out already
The Amazing Spiderman 2 - May 2nd
X-Men: Days of Future Past - May 23rd
Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st


Future Projected Release Dates
Avengers Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
The Fantastic Four - June 19, 2015
Ant Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America 3 - May 6, 2016
Man of Steel 2 (Batman v. Superman) - May 6, 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Amazing Spiderman 3 - June 10, 2016
Untitled Marvel film - July 8, 2016
Wolverine 3 - March 3, 2017
Untitled Marvel film - May 5, 2017
The Fantastic Four 2 - July 14, 2017
Amazing Spiderman 4 - May 4, 2018
Untitled Marvel Film - July 13, 2018

where is that list from?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 07, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
Marvel got the Fantastic Four back?  That's great news, those movies were pretty crappy.  Maybe now they can do a proper Dr Doom and/or Galactus.

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of superhero movies, not Marvel movies.  So Fox is rebooting it?  Still could be an improvement.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Fafnir on April 07, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
Marvel got the Fantastic Four back?  That's great news, those movies were pretty crappy.  Maybe now they can do a proper Dr Doom and/or Galactus.

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of superhero movies, not Marvel movies.  So Fox is rebooting it?  Still could be an improvement.
Marvel paid for some of their galactic villains and cosmic characters back but Fox is keeping FF4.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on April 07, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
Marvel got the Fantastic Four back?  That's great news, those movies were pretty crappy.  Maybe now they can do a proper Dr Doom and/or Galactus.

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of superhero movies, not Marvel movies.  So Fox is rebooting it?  Still could be an improvement.
I'm hoping they can do a much better version of the Fantastic Four.  I didn't have a problem with the casting but the story lines were weak, especially the Surfer/Galactus sequel.

Keep hoping for a really good Superman movie to finally be made.  the last 2 were so-so.  also surprised they haven't targeted Wonder Woman for a movie yet.  Would seem a natural.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 07, 2014, 02:01:48 PM
Superhero movies of 2014

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - out already
The Amazing Spiderman 2 - May 2nd
X-Men: Days of Future Past - May 23rd
Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st


Future Projected Release Dates
Avengers Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
The Fantastic Four - June 19, 2015
Ant Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America 3 - May 6, 2016
Man of Steel 2 (Batman v. Superman) - May 6, 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Amazing Spiderman 3 - June 10, 2016
Untitled Marvel film - July 8, 2016
Wolverine 3 - March 3, 2017
Untitled Marvel film - May 5, 2017
The Fantastic Four 2 - July 14, 2017
Amazing Spiderman 4 - May 4, 2018
Untitled Marvel Film - July 13, 2018

where is that list from?
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies.php (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies.php)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenWarrior on April 07, 2014, 02:08:43 PM
Superhero movies of 2014

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - out already
The Amazing Spiderman 2 - May 2nd
X-Men: Days of Future Past - May 23rd
Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st


Future Projected Release Dates
Avengers Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
The Fantastic Four - June 19, 2015
Ant Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America 3 - May 6, 2016
Man of Steel 2 (Batman v. Superman) - May 6, 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Amazing Spiderman 3 - June 10, 2016
Untitled Marvel film - July 8, 2016
Wolverine 3 - March 3, 2017
Untitled Marvel film - May 5, 2017
The Fantastic Four 2 - July 14, 2017
Amazing Spiderman 4 - May 4, 2018
Untitled Marvel Film - July 13, 2018

where is that list from?
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies.php (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies.php)
thank you!
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: wdleehi on April 07, 2014, 02:25:43 PM
Marvel got the Fantastic Four back?  That's great news, those movies were pretty crappy.  Maybe now they can do a proper Dr Doom and/or Galactus.

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of superhero movies, not Marvel movies.  So Fox is rebooting it?  Still could be an improvement.


The casting is a worry.

F4 has always been a story of family with super powers.  Unless there is adoption involved, the brother and sister are no longer brother and sister. 


The first did suffer from bad scripts.  The makeup/costume wasn't great either. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 07, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Marvel got the Fantastic Four back?  That's great news, those movies were pretty crappy.  Maybe now they can do a proper Dr Doom and/or Galactus.

EDIT: Oh, that's a list of superhero movies, not Marvel movies.  So Fox is rebooting it?  Still could be an improvement.
Marvel paid for some of their galactic villains and cosmic characters back but Fox is keeping FF4.
The Marvel cinematic universe contains most of the Marvel Characters.  All of the Avengers + others:  (Hulk, Iron-Man, Captain America, Thor, Ant-Man, SHIELD, Guardians of the Galaxy + the 4 characters we'll be seeing on Netflix... Daredevil, iron-fist, etc) ... All those characters belong to the same universe and theoretically can cross paths at any time. 

Sony owns Spider-Man's film rights.  So all the Spider-Man characters/villains you saw in the 3 Toby MaGuire movies + the rebooted 2 Andrew Garfield movies... those all belong exclusively to Sony and can't cross over and thus exist in a separate movie universe.   They intend to spin it off into multiple franchises that tie into the same Universe... like a Venom movie, for example.

Fox owns the rights to all the X-Men characters.  Basically all the Hugh Jackman X-Men movies are supposed to exist in the same Universe since 2000 when the first one came out.  The films suck at continuity, though... so there's tons of issues... especially the standalone Wolverine films.  Very messy.  Then they launched X-Men First class intending it to be separate, but realized they could make a lot of money going the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" route, so they intend to tie it all together (with the older X-Men movies) with this new one (Days of Future Past) that is coming out... I assume they'll use time travel to fix some of the broken continuity. 

Additionally, FOX owns the film rights to Fantastic Four... so they intend to reboot it (with MIchael B. JOrdan as Human Torch, for example) and it's intended to exist in the same universe as their X-Men characters.   Basically, Marvel Studios changed the game by having this epic movie universe all tie together.  So now all these other studios who own the movie rights to these other characters are trying to do the same thing... so expect this new Fantastic Four to have some crossover with the X-Men movies. 

So unfortunately none of the Marvel Studios characters can show up in Sony (Spider-Man) or Fox (X-Men/Fantastic Four) movies and vice versa.  You'd think the studios would make some agreement where they could all benefit, but the issue is that if Spider-Man showed up in an Avengers film, the studios can't decide how much money Sony should get by having Spider-Man in the movie. 

Other studios are trying to do their own thing, but unfortunately Marvel has a head start on them and are doing this perfectly (starting with the first Robert Downey Jr Iron-Man movie).  It's all extremely well thought out.  They work very hard to make sure everything ties together and fits.  An example is the Ant-Man movie they are making (starring Paul Rudd).  Edgar Wright (Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, Scott Pilgrim, etc) has been attached to direct that little comedy/superhero film since 2006.  Marvel Studios put it on the backburner while they launched this huge cinematic universe.  Now that they are set to finally make the movie, they had to go back to the script (from 2006) and re-write certain aspects so that it fit with the rest of the Marvel cinematic universe.  They are doing this the right way.

On the flip side you have Warner Brothers... who owns the rights to ALL the D.C. Comics characters... and it's a complete mess over there.   They don't have this thought out at all.  Nolan's "Dark Knight" movies were in a standalone universe.   The TV Show "Arrow" is in a separate universe that includes a new spin-off Tv Show based on Flash.   The upcoming TV Show "Gotham City" has nothing to do with Dark KNight or any other Batman property.   Smallville has nothing to do with any of the Superman movies.  They made "Man of Steel" intending it to be a completely standalone universe.  As they were making "Man of Steel", Warner Brothers saw how successful Avengers was and decided they needed to make a Justice League movie ASAP... so they started casting for a Justice League cash grab that would have starred completely different actors as Batman and Superman.  Yeah, the idiots intended for there to be two Supermans (one from Man of Steel  and one from Justice League) at the same time.  Luckily they realized that was a idiotic idea... so they decided they'd just shoehorn Batman into the sequel to "Man of Steel" (even though they never intended for them to exist in the same universe)... So they threw 50 million dollars at Christian Bale begging him to show up in the movie.  But luckily, Bale has artistic integrity and turned down the movie... feeling that NOlan's "Dark Knight" trilogy fully told the story and it would be spitting on that vision by having the character show up in a sci-fi film with space aliens.    Then they decided they'd just cast Ben Affleck as a "weathered and experienced" Batman.  I'm fine with that... but it's a little weird for Batman to show up in the next "Man of Steel" movie without any origin.  Was he just chillin out in Gotham during the events of the last "Man of Steel" movie?  Weird.  But Warner Brothers is impatient... so apparently Wonder Woman is going to show up in that movie too.  Probably other characters to.  They want to fast-track this thing to a Justice League movie.  Oh, and the Ryan Reynolds "Green Lantern" will have nothing to do with it either.  And that "Gotham" TV show will have nothing to do with the Ben Affleck Batman.  And they'll likely have a Flash in it that will have nothing to do with the TV Flash.   Warner Brothers is a mess.  But ultimately their goal is to have a movie universe where Batman, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, etc all cross over.  I think they are blowing an opportunity with their TV shows, though.  If it was up to me, the "Gotham" TV show would be the origin story for Affleck's Batman.  Why not?  They got some idiots running that studio.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Fafnir on April 07, 2014, 02:39:14 PM
LarBrd33 the deal Marvel made with Fox was for characters that are second tier and apparently they're going to share several of them potentially. There is one such character already in Captain America 2 (post-credits) and Days of Future past.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 07, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
Superhero movies of 2014

Captain America: The Winter Soldier - out already
The Amazing Spiderman 2 - May 2nd
X-Men: Days of Future Past - May 23rd
Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st


Future Projected Release Dates
Avengers Age of Ultron - May 1, 2015
The Fantastic Four - June 19, 2015
Ant Man - July 17, 2015
Captain America 3 - May 6, 2016
Man of Steel 2 (Batman v. Superman) - May 6, 2016
X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016
Amazing Spiderman 3 - June 10, 2016
Untitled Marvel film - July 8, 2016
Wolverine 3 - March 3, 2017
Untitled Marvel film - May 5, 2017
The Fantastic Four 2 - July 14, 2017
Amazing Spiderman 4 - May 4, 2018
Untitled Marvel Film - July 13, 2018
Here I color coded the 4 movie universes so you can see which characters can cross over.

Marvel Studios Cinematic Universe
Sony Pictures (Spider-Man)
Fox (X-Men/Fantastic Four)
Warner Brothers (DC Characters)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 07, 2014, 02:45:34 PM
LarBrd33 the deal Marvel made with Fox was for characters that are second tier and apparently they're going to share several of them potentially. There is one such character already in Captain America 2 (post-credits) and Days of Future past.
I'm seeing Cap 2 tonight....  but my understanding of this was about crappy second tier characters like Quicksilver.   There's a person playing Quicksilver in the next Avengers movie.  There's an entirely different person (looks completely different) playing Quicksilver in the next X-Men movie.

That doesn't mean that the same Quicksilver can cross over between the two studios.

Quicksilver in Avengers 2 (played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson... also the star of Kick-Ass, but of course Kick-Ass is an entirely separate universe as well):

(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/03/Scarlet-Witch-Quicksilver-Avengers-2-concept-art.png)

Quicksilver in "Days of Future Past":

(http://www.critiques4geeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/quicksilver-days-future-past.jpg)

So you can see... essentially alternate versions of the same a character existing in Marvel Cinematic Universe and in the Fox X-Men/Fantastic 4 universe.  Judging by the concept art, it looks like the Quicksilver that will be appearing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is far more true to the comics.

Unless there's some HUGE reveal in Cap 2 (i'm seeing it tonight), I don't think this means that any of the X-Men/Fantastic 4 major characters can start showing up in Avengers movies.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Fafnir on April 07, 2014, 02:49:45 PM
Right I'm not talking about "crossing over" between movies. I mean as these movies keep spinning we're likely going to see multiples of supporting characters and some villains.

For example a lot of Marvel's cosmic villians could have been classified with the FF4 because of Galactus, the Silver Surfer, and all that. But now Marvel is trying to expand into that territory with Dr. Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 07, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
Right I'm not talking about "crossing over" between movies. I mean as these movies keep spinning we're likely going to see multiples of supporting characters and some villains.
That might happen, but I think they will be very small/secondary characters.... and judging by the Quicksilver thing, they will probably be rather different takes on the characters.

The studios couldn't even come to an agreement about having buildings show up.  They wanted to have Daily Bugle (spiderman) appear in the NY skyline during the Avengers.  Then they'd have Avengers tower show up in Spider-Man as a trade-off.  They couldn't even agree on a little easter egg like that.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 07, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
LarBrd33 the deal Marvel made with Fox was for characters that are second tier and apparently they're going to share several of them potentially. There is one such character already in Captain America 2 (post-credits) and Days of Future past.
I'm seeing Cap 2 tonight....  but my understanding of this was about crappy second tier characters like Quicksilver.   There's a person playing Quicksilver in the next Avengers movie.  There's an entirely different person (looks completely different) playing Quicksilver in the next X-Men movie.

That doesn't mean that the same Quicksilver can cross over between the two studios.

Quicksilver in Avengers 2 (played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson... also the star of Kick-Ass, but of course Kick-Ass is an entirely separate universe as well):

(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2014/03/Scarlet-Witch-Quicksilver-Avengers-2-concept-art.png)

Quicksilver in "Days of Future Past":

(http://www.critiques4geeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/quicksilver-days-future-past.jpg)

So you can see... essentially alternate versions of the same a character existing in Marvel Cinematic Universe and in the Fox X-Men/Fantastic 4 universe.  Judging by the concept art, it looks like the Quicksilver that will be appearing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is far more true to the comics.

Unless there's some HUGE reveal in Cap 2 (i'm seeing it tonight), I don't think this means that any of the X-Men/Fantastic 4 major characters can start showing up in Avengers movies.
No huge reveal, the first post credit scene (yes there are two) shows the twins, which obviously "sets up" Avengers 2.  The second post credit scene "sets up" Capt. Am. 3.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: obnoxiousmime on April 07, 2014, 03:42:20 PM
I actually prefer the big Marvel properties (Avengers, Spidey, X-Men) being separate because too many crossovers would just complicate things, especially for non-fans. Also, though Marvel maintained continuity across all books, it always required suspension of disbelief when a huge problem occurred and you wonder where say, the Avengers or The Fantastic Four were to come lend a hand. You can't have too many characters intersecting in the movie world because some things are more plausible in print than on the big screen.

X-Men already encompasses a huge enough world to supply many movies, though besides Wolverine they don't have the solo stars that mainstream audiences would recognize. Also, their already-flimsy "mankind fears mutants" motivation would become even flimsier if all these other heroes were beloved but mutants were somehow seen as a menace.

Spidey was never really an international hero, he just stuck around NYC. Though he does fight people with projectiles, his fighting style doesn't fit in aesthetically with villains from the other comics. Basically, he's not super-powerful like some of the other Marvel characters. He always fit in better with characters like Daredevil or the Black Widow whose abilities were limited. His main mode of travel, web-slinging, isn't even possible in any city without a healthy amount of skyscrapers. Spidey in LA? Time to rent a car!

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 28, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
Zack Snyder to direct the Justice League due out in 2018.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on October 22, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
New Age of Ultron trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 22, 2014, 10:22:04 PM
New Age of Ultron trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do

Awesome! Thanks for sharing, Roy!
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Scott on February 10, 2015, 12:55:41 AM
It's official.  Spider-Man is joining the MCU.

http://www.slashfilm.com/spiderman-marvel-studios/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/spiderman-marvel-studios/)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 10, 2015, 03:02:53 AM
Bummer they are rebooting him again. I actually didn't mind Andrew Garfield, but his two movies weren't great.  But it will be cool to see spidey in the MCU.  They should skip the origin story. Will be interesting to see who they cast.

The Andrew Garfield situation will be like Brandon routh... I thought he was a solid superman. He wasn't the problem with the movie. But unfortunately they had to recast him.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Sketch5 on February 10, 2015, 07:21:50 AM
Bummer they are rebooting him again. I actually didn't mind Andrew Garfield, but his two movies weren't great.  But it will be cool to see spidey in the MCU.  They should skip the origin story. Will be interesting to see who they cast.

The Andrew Garfield situation will be like Brandon routh... I thought he was a solid superman. He wasn't the problem with the movie. But unfortunately they had to recast him.

Yeah it sucks Garfield wont get to play him with a  good script. He looked and acted more like Spidy than Mcguire did.

The last two movies were okay, not Catwoman bad, but watchable. At least they got Spidy with with big eyes in the last one. It only look 5 films to get it.

Hopefully they wont do a full origin movie, and just do flash backs, with two recent origins, I think they could get away with a flyby origin and jump right into the story. I would like to see a better Green Goblin than the power ranger and emo versions they pulled the last two times.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 10, 2015, 08:07:33 AM
Spidey is my all time favorite superhero and I really liked the Garfield version.  Shame he won't be playing him anymore.  I think Garfield would have fit in well with Downey, Evans, and company. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on February 10, 2015, 08:58:08 AM
Bummer they are rebooting him again. I actually didn't mind Andrew Garfield, but his two movies weren't great.  But it will be cool to see spidey in the MCU.  They should skip the origin story. Will be interesting to see who they cast.

The Andrew Garfield situation will be like Brandon routh... I thought he was a solid superman. He wasn't the problem with the movie. But unfortunately they had to recast him.

Yeah it sucks Garfield wont get to play him with a  good script. He looked and acted more like Spidy than Mcguire did.

The last two movies were okay, not Catwoman bad, but watchable. At least they got Spidy with with big eyes in the last one. It only look 5 films to get it.

Hopefully they wont do a full origin movie, and just do flash backs, with two recent origins, I think they could get away with a flyby origin and jump right into the story. I would like to see a better Green Goblin than the power ranger and emo versions they pulled the last two times.
must be just me but I thought Tobey was the better Spidey.  less punky and more geeky like Peter Parker really was.  curious who's going to put on the mask now. 

last 2 movies were ok.  liked that they brought in different villains like Electro, Rhino and the Lizard.  any word on who the next villain will be?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 10, 2015, 09:05:56 AM
I thought Garfield made a good Spidey but not a very believable Parker - too much self-confidence.  Maguire had the opposite problem - good Peter, so-so Spiderman.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 10, 2015, 09:07:08 AM
Chris Pine has the cockiness but he may be getting a little old for spidey.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 10, 2015, 09:17:58 AM
It will be someone who isn't a star  That is what they always do in Superhero movies.  Batman is the only one that is consistently cast as a star (Iron Man as well obviously).  Batman (and Iron Man) tend to be a bit older so it makes some sense in that regard. 

So a guy like Chris Pine won't be Spiderman.  It will be someone you would never think of.  At least that is how I see it.  I mean you watch the Social Network and you never think Garfield is going to be Spiderman, but I thought he did a pretty good job. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: wdleehi on February 10, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
This makes me happy.  Restarting it is a good idea. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 10, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
I have to question how many in this thread read comics, both McGuire and Garfield did a decent job but neither nailed Spiderman and each of them had elements missing from Spiderman.   Garfield did a better job at the cockey comments that Spidey is known for, McGuire did a better job at Spidey's vulnerability and Peter Parker.

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It will be someone you would never think of.
  Chris Evans was known when he was cast as Captain America.  So there goes that theory.   I agree, if they go with someone unknown it is cheaper and they can lock them up longer so that is the main reason.    I would also point out That Robert Downey Jr. was a known albeit damaged property when they cast him.  They do like casting foreigners in Hollywood these days, Aussies are pretty popular.

Could it be someone like  Brenton Thwaites or Xavier Samuel.   These are the kind of guys I think they will cast.   I threw Pine out there because he has the perfect moxy for the costumed Spidey, he would be a terrible Peter Parker.  They may even keep Garfield and make some changes.  McGuire is too old and has health ( back) issues nowadays.

Spiderman may be different because he is one of their most iconic characters, who knows.  He has always been their flagship character.   He is not the most powerful but he is one who people identify with as the common man.   His life is crappy outside of the superhero universe and he rarely gets credit.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 10, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
I like Garfield better than McGuire for the role of Spider-Man. I'm getting tired of all the reboots, but since Spidey is now going to enter the MCU, I'm okay with it in this case.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on February 10, 2015, 10:56:46 AM
I have to question how many in this thread read comics, both McGuire and Garfield did a decent job but neither nailed Spiderman and each of them had elements missing from Spiderman.   Garfield did a better job at the cockey comments that Spidey is known for, McGuire did a better job at Spidey's vulnerability and Peter Parker.

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It will be someone you would never think of.
  Chris Evans was known when he was cast as Captain America.  So there goes that theory.   I agree, if they go with someone unknown it is cheaper and they can lock them up longer so that is the main reason.    I would also point out That Robert Downey Jr. was a known albeit damaged property when they cast him.  They do like casting foreigners in Hollywood these days, Aussies are pretty popular.

Could it be someone like  Brenton Thwaites or Xavier Samuel.   These are the kind of guys I think they will cast.   I threw Pine out there because he has the perfect moxy for the costumed Spidey, he would be a terrible Peter Parker.  They may even keep Garfield and make some changes.  McGuire is too old and has health ( back) issues nowadays.

Spiderman may be different because he is one of their most iconic characters, who knows.  He has always been their flagship character.   He is not the most powerful but he is one who people identify with as the common man.   His life is crappy outside of the superhero universe and he rarely gets credit.
Chris Evans was known, but he wasn't a star and I don't think anyone thought he would be cast as Captain America because he was already in a Superhero franchise (and frankly hadn't done a whole lot between Fantastic Four and Captain America). 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 09, 2015, 02:14:36 PM
Fantastic Four reboot trailer is out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BVs-KCSiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BVs-KCSiA)

Looks interesting and a bit more in the dark trend of the superhero movies these days.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on April 09, 2015, 02:22:17 PM
I like Kate Mara but I will always remember Jessica Alba as Susan Storm
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on April 09, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
I'm one of those that likes to keep characters as true as they were original as possible, so I'm going to have a tough time accepting the changes they have come up with this time around.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 09, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
I'm one of those that likes to keep characters as true as they were original as possible, so I'm going to have a tough time accepting the changes they have come up with this time around.
you mean like Kate Mara and Michael B. Jordan being brother and sister.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 09, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
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Fantastic Four reboot trailer is out. 

I have a buddy who owns a comic gaming store.  From what I heard helping him by working with the shop as he went to a concert Saturday, consensus is that this movie will do not do well because it has messed with canon.  These guys are fanboys and I bet they Redbox it if anything.   

They are in fact, not favorable in outlook of any movie not made by Marvel themselves.   Marvel even cancelled the FF4 comic.   This move is being made by Fox?   They were very happy that Sony let Marvel use Spidey.  They want all movie rights to go back to Marvel movies who get it right.   Though this movie has Marvel Characters it is not done by Marvel.

This is just one store so it may be mean nothing.   But these are the guys who show up at midnight to watch their moves and a lot of them go to the Comic Cons.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 09, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
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Fantastic Four reboot trailer is out. 

I have a buddy who owns a comic gaming store.  From what I heard helping him by working with the shop as he went to a concert Saturday, consensus is that this movie will do not do well because it has messed with canon.  These guys are fanboys and I bet they Redbox it if anything.   

They are in fact, not favorable in outlook of any movie not made by Marvel themselves.   Marvel even cancelled the FF4 comic.   This move is being made by Fox?   They were very happy that Sony let Marvel use Spidey.  They want all movie rights to go back to Marvel movies who get it right.   Though this movie has Marvel Characters it is not done by Marvel.

This is just one store so it may be mean nothing.   But these are the guys who show up at midnight to watch their moves and a lot of them go to the Comic Cons.

Your buddy isn't the only one. There's a regular customer from where I work who was a fan of FF since the 60's (yeah he's old) that pretty much said the exact same thing.

He's upset that the FF books have been cancelled and he's also not looking forward to this movie and he hopes it "fails so FOX would stop making Fantastic Four movies and just bring it back to Marvel". And boy, he's enraged with the casting, especially this  idea that Dr. Doom is very different.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on April 09, 2015, 04:12:10 PM
Not looking forward to the new FF4 at all....they should've kept it original - as in the other 2 movies from a few years ago.

I will probably watch it, but with disappointment....no matter how good the movie is/will be.....there are other ways to present inclusion and diversity in comics and movies.

I certainly understand the need for diversity/inclusion. I grew up reading and loving comics (still do, thanks to my sons) and didn't even pay much attention to the lack of Black heroes and heroines - and even other ethnicities.

Then you grow up, lose your innocence, and see the need for diversity in society - AND in comicville. You notice the lack.

I remember the Original Superfriends vividly...never paid attention to the lack of color...all I saw was the color of the uniforms.

But again - as I got older and wiser I saw the need.

From what I've read over the last few years, comics have come a ways...but the movies need to go a bit further. I appreciate the place where the Avengers is at now - because they are staying TRUE to the comics and script.

In short, inclusion/diversity - needs to be done RIGHT.

Marvel lacks an "Alpha" male or female as far as black heroes/heroines...or if they do exist they are mostly unnoticed.

From what I understand, a version of Spiderman is African-American and Hispanic...would be nice to see this incorporated in Hollywood:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJiOs3DEamuG_pfKCHG-PuH7vKvw8e1VjUEgEizHMNeRXRscl6)

I think DC goes further in diversity/inclusion. In 1993, the late Dwyane McDuffie introduced Icon:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9cbK1d7_YK_UZSB7hxR3-Bi-zGFgxZjGunTyhGsplIKW4EBr3)

Icon has a rich (but mostly unknown, unfortunately) history in the DC Universe. He is ORIGINAL, but yet was drawn/created - to be Superman's equal.

Young Justice cartoon series introduced Icon and his friend Rocket for several series. He was presented well.

Would LOVE, someday, for Icon to make the movies.

But yeah - I am disappointed to the new FF4...but looking forward to seeing the movie. Inclusion needs to be done the right way.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 09, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Not looking forward to the new FF4 at all....they should've kept it original - as in the other 2 movies from a few years ago.

I will probably watch it, but with disappointment....no matter how good the movie is/will be.....there are other ways to present inclusion and diversity in comics and movies.

I certainly understand the need for diversity/inclusion. I grew up reading and loving comics (still do, thanks to my sons) and didn't even pay much attention to the lack of Black heroes and heroines - and even other ethnicities.

Then you grow up, lose your innocence, and see the need for diversity in society - AND in comicville. You notice the lack.

I remember the Original Superfriends vividly...never paid attention to the lack of color...all I saw was the color of the uniforms.

But again - as I got older and wiser I saw the need.

From what I've read over the last few years, comics have come a ways...but the movies need to go a bit further. I appreciate the place where the Avengers is at now - because they are staying TRUE to the comics and script.

In short, inclusion/diversity - needs to be done RIGHT.

Marvel lacks an "Alpha" male or female as far as black heroes/heroines...or if they do exist they are mostly unnoticed.

From what I understand, a version of Spiderman is African-American and Hispanic...would be nice to see this incorporated in Hollywood:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJiOs3DEamuG_pfKCHG-PuH7vKvw8e1VjUEgEizHMNeRXRscl6)

I think DC goes further in diversity/inclusion. In 1993, the late Dwyane McDuffie introduced Icon:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9cbK1d7_YK_UZSB7hxR3-Bi-zGFgxZjGunTyhGsplIKW4EBr3)

Icon has a rich (but mostly unknown, unfortunately) history in the DC Universe. He is ORIGINAL, but yet was drawn/created - to be Superman's equal.

Young Justice cartoon series introduced Icon and his friend Rocket for several series. He was presented well.

Would LOVE, someday, for Icon to make the movies.

But yeah - I am disappointed to the new FF4...but looking forward to seeing the movie. Inclusion needs to be done the right way.

I'd love for Marvel to reacquire the movie rights to all their characters—they just know how to make superhero movies.

As for diversity and adherence to source material, I have no problem with diversity, but I'm also a big originalist (for the most part, unless something just doesn't make sense for a movie). At the risk of sounding racist/sexist/whatever-ist, I think things like a female Thor and a Muslim Ms. Marvel and a black or Hispanic Spider-Man are bad ideas (even if they did first happen in the comics), just like it would be silly to have a white Luke Cage or a male Wasp. Diversity is fine, but it shouldn't be forced.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on April 09, 2015, 04:34:45 PM
Not looking forward to the new FF4 at all....they should've kept it original - as in the other 2 movies from a few years ago.

I will probably watch it, but with disappointment....no matter how good the movie is/will be.....there are other ways to present inclusion and diversity in comics and movies.

I certainly understand the need for diversity/inclusion. I grew up reading and loving comics (still do, thanks to my sons) and didn't even pay much attention to the lack of Black heroes and heroines - and even other ethnicities.

Then you grow up, lose your innocence, and see the need for diversity in society - AND in comicville. You notice the lack.

I remember the Original Superfriends vividly...never paid attention to the lack of color...all I saw was the color of the uniforms.

But again - as I got older and wiser I saw the need.

From what I've read over the last few years, comics have come a ways...but the movies need to go a bit further. I appreciate the place where the Avengers is at now - because they are staying TRUE to the comics and script.

In short, inclusion/diversity - needs to be done RIGHT.

Marvel lacks an "Alpha" male or female as far as black heroes/heroines...or if they do exist they are mostly unnoticed.

From what I understand, a version of Spiderman is African-American and Hispanic...would be nice to see this incorporated in Hollywood:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJiOs3DEamuG_pfKCHG-PuH7vKvw8e1VjUEgEizHMNeRXRscl6)

I think DC goes further in diversity/inclusion. In 1993, the late Dwyane McDuffie introduced Icon:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9cbK1d7_YK_UZSB7hxR3-Bi-zGFgxZjGunTyhGsplIKW4EBr3)

Icon has a rich (but mostly unknown, unfortunately) history in the DC Universe. He is ORIGINAL, but yet was drawn/created - to be Superman's equal.

Young Justice cartoon series introduced Icon and his friend Rocket for several series. He was presented well.

Would LOVE, someday, for Icon to make the movies.

But yeah - I am disappointed to the new FF4...but looking forward to seeing the movie. Inclusion needs to be done the right way.

I'd love for Marvel to reacquire the movie rights to all their characters—they just know how to make superhero movies.

As for diversity and adherence to source material, I have no problem with diversity, but I'm also a big originalist (for the most part, unless something just doesn't make sense for a movie). At the risk of sounding racist/sexist/whatever-ist, I think things like a female Thor and a Muslim Ms. Marvel and a black or Hispanic Spider-Man are bad ideas (even if they did first happen in the comics), just like it would be silly to have a white Luke Cage or a male Wasp. Diversity is fine, but it shouldn't be forced.

Agreed.

I can imagine that, as the writers/producers were sitting at the table for the new FF4 - they probably had the same conversations.

But the sad thing is that instead of finding innovative ways to diversify - they got lazy (IMO) and forced it.

As creative/innovative as humans are - we can't come up with new heroes or ways to diversify?

I heard about the new Thor months ago...haven't read the script or anything. From the reviews they are mostly positive. Same with the Muslim Ms. Marvel.

I guess for name recognition it is easier to just recycle tried and true heroes...which is a bit sad. But I guess change has to start somewhere.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 09, 2015, 04:57:07 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Fafnir on April 09, 2015, 04:59:03 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense.
Its comics, evil twins, body/mind swaps, and retcons are constant.

It all makes sense and it all doesn't. I giggle at the complaining about forced diversity because its the same complaint that the status quo always makes couched in the usual language.

Same with with the gamergate crazies, reactionaries gonna reactionary.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: JHTruth on April 09, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
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Fantastic Four reboot trailer is out. 

I have a buddy who owns a comic gaming store.  From what I heard helping him by working with the shop as he went to a concert Saturday, consensus is that this movie will do not do well because it has messed with canon.  These guys are fanboys and I bet they Redbox it if anything.   

They are in fact, not favorable in outlook of any movie not made by Marvel themselves.   Marvel even cancelled the FF4 comic.   This move is being made by Fox?   They were very happy that Sony let Marvel use Spidey.  They want all movie rights to go back to Marvel movies who get it right.   Though this movie has Marvel Characters it is not done by Marvel.

This is just one store so it may be mean nothing.   But these are the guys who show up at midnight to watch their moves and a lot of them go to the Comic Cons.

Your buddy isn't the only one. There's a regular customer from where I work who was a fan of FF since the 60's (yeah he's old) that pretty much said the exact same thing.

He's upset that the FF books have been cancelled and he's also not looking forward to this movie and he hopes it "fails so FOX would stop making Fantastic Four movies and just bring it back to Marvel". And boy, he's enraged with the casting, especially this  idea that Dr. Doom is very different.

The first FF movies were absolutely abysmal. Dr Doom is my fav comic book villain ever but I couldn't stand it.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 09, 2015, 05:38:54 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense.
Its comics, evil twins, body/mind swaps, and retcons are constant.

It all makes sense and it all doesn't. I giggle at the complaining about forced diversity because its the same complaint that the status quo always makes couched in the usual language.

Same with with the gamergate crazies, reactionaries gonna reactionary.

Wasn't the Ultimates version of Nick Fury black anyway, and came out before the movie version?  Either way we all know David Hasselhoff is the real Fury:

(http://www.worstmoviesevermade.com/wp-content/media/2013/01/david-hasselhoff-nick-fury-agent-of-shield.jpg)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenWarrior on April 09, 2015, 05:53:43 PM
i'll chime in here and say yes the general nerd population believe this F4 movie will be a horrible F4 movie. it may be a good movie, but as a Fantastic 4 movie this is going to be horrible. 

if you know anything about the dynamics of the Fantastic 4 from the comics and have heard the changes they've made I can't see how anyone could or would disagree.

if you're only a passing comic movie fan then maybe this won't matter to you. and this is all Fox is concerned with.

Marvel is also pretty much dumping the X-men comics in some fashion because those movies are somewhat lacking, and they don't own the movie rights Fox does, so they can't use them in this cinematic universe they've created.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenWarrior on April 09, 2015, 05:56:18 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense.
Its comics, evil twins, body/mind swaps, and retcons are constant.

It all makes sense and it all doesn't. I giggle at the complaining about forced diversity because its the same complaint that the status quo always makes couched in the usual language.

Same with with the gamergate crazies, reactionaries gonna reactionary.

Wasn't the Ultimates version of Nick Fury black anyway, and came out before the movie version?  Either way we all know David Hasselhoff is the real Fury:

(http://www.worstmoviesevermade.com/wp-content/media/2013/01/david-hasselhoff-nick-fury-agent-of-shield.jpg)

yes. they didn't make him black for the movie. the MCU borrows from both the Ultimate universe and the 616 universe.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 09, 2015, 06:05:43 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense.

Agree.

Guardians of the Galaxy had a black person play Gamora, and a Filipino-Greek playing Drax, and it made a ton of money. If they want to be diverse, introduce new characters (they're doing it it on SHIELD) or make the other characters of different race to be popular. Luke Cage is still out there. Black Panther is a great character. Want to be diverse, make those characters more important, or atleast make them prominent in your universe.

Diversity is fine, but never, EVER mess with the source material. That will rub a lot of fans the wrong way.

It will be weird to see a black Johnny Storm. Also, it will be EXTRA WEIRD to know that Dr. Doom is a fluking computer programmer.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 09, 2015, 06:07:36 PM
It is not just about diversity, it about the studio's that do the movies.   This guy gets it.

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The first FF movies were absolutely abysmal. Dr Doom is my fav comic book villain ever but I couldn't stand it.
There is a level of care of the canon and getting it right at Marvel/Disney that does not happen at the other studios.

BTW, some fanboy go to see a movie multiple times, the movie makers ought to listen to them.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on April 09, 2015, 07:41:17 PM
Falcon is black and they kept him black in the movies.  Nick Fury was made black for the movies and I don't think anyone can picture Fury as anyone other than Sam Jackson (even though he was white in the comics).

Diversity is fine, but you can't be diverse just to be diverse.  It has to make sense. 

As mentioned, he was changed in the comics first (yeas prior), it wasn't for the movies. Though one can debate about alterations made in different comic universes, etc.

But we're also talking about a supporting character, which lessens the dilemma.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on April 12, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
To whom it may concern, looks like Peter Parker will be Spider-Man in the MCU in the 15-16 age range.
http://collider.com/spider-man-kevin-feige-confirms-peter-parker-in-high-school/

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 12, 2015, 09:46:55 PM
To whom it may concern, looks like Peter Parker will be Spider-Man in the MCU in the 15-16 age range.
http://collider.com/spider-man-kevin-feige-confirms-peter-parker-in-high-school/
Cool.  Wonder if they will actually cast someone that young.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2015, 11:41:08 AM
sure was nice of them to put the Marvel movie timeline in there


    Avengers: Age of Ultron – May 1, 2015
    Ant-Man – July 17, 2015
    Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016
    Doctor Strange - November 6, 2016
    Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5, 2017
    Spider-Man Reboot – July 28, 2017
    Thor: Ragnarok – November 3, 2017
    Avengers: Infinity War – Part 1 – May 4, 2018
    Black Panther – July 6, 2018
    Captain Marvel – November 2, 2018
    Avengers: Infinity War – Part 2 – May 3, 2019
    Inhumans – July 12, 2019
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 13, 2015, 12:14:59 PM
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Cool.  Wonder if they will actually cast someone that young.

Thomas Sangster from GoT., might work.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on April 13, 2015, 12:42:24 PM
sure was nice of them to put the Marvel movie timeline in there


    Avengers: Age of Ultron – May 1, 2015
    Ant-Man – July 17, 2015
    Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016
    Doctor Strange - November 6, 2016
    Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5, 2017
    Spider-Man Reboot – July 28, 2017
    Thor: Ragnarok – November 3, 2017
    Avengers: Infinity War – Part 1 – May 4, 2018
    Black Panther – July 6, 2018
    Captain Marvel – November 2, 2018
    Avengers: Infinity War – Part 2 – May 3, 2019
    Inhumans – July 12, 2019


2017-2018 looks like it will be epic.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 13, 2015, 02:06:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pWdKf3MneyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pWdKf3MneyI)

Ant-Man trailer. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 17, 2015, 01:47:07 PM
Quality isn't very good but, here is a Batman v. Superman trailer.

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/movies/article/batman-v-superman-trailer-has-leaked (http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/movies/article/batman-v-superman-trailer-has-leaked)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on March 09, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
JK Simmons cast as Commissioner Gordon in the Justice League movie.  News breaks as Superman v. Batman is almost upon us.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on March 09, 2016, 10:09:37 AM
(http://www.mrmovie-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/superhero-movies-timeline-image.jpg)

giggity

didn't watch Ant-Man yet, Fantastic 4 sucked, Deadpool was awesome...

I can't wait for Apocalypse and really really hoped Marvel gets their rights back from Fox for X-Men so they could appear in Civil War :(

Don't care about Suicide Squad for some reason

Batman v Superman looks good and cannot wait for Wonder Woman...I think Gal Gadot actually makes a good Wonder Woman
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
This is me when I saw the new Captain America: Civil War trailer.

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/hyperventilating_fry_futurama.gif)


So, Deadpool first, then Dawn of Justice, Civil War and Apocalypse. What a time to be a comic book fan.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: indeedproceed on March 10, 2016, 02:17:48 PM
Gambit movie might be donezo, or at least pushed back to oblivion.



Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 10, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Denis998 on March 10, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/
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Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 11, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

It's a look I'm not used to, for sure, and I noticed it right away—haven't seen it enough yet to know whether I'll like it. But I think everything else looks fantastic.
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Post by: fairweatherfan on March 11, 2016, 10:43:40 AM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

How do the eyes on the costume squint?  <comicbookguy> Boy, I really hope somebody got fired over that one </comicbookguy>

Movie looks good, but it seems like they're trying to cram an awful lot into one film.  And that "big throwdown" would be over in about 2 seconds, Iron Man's side is comically stronger than the Cap group.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2016, 10:50:59 AM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

I dunno, I like it, it's the old costume from the comic books. The CGI looks a bit off for sure, but they have about a couple of months to polish that.

The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

How do the eyes on the costume squint?  <comicbookguy> Boy, I really hope somebody got fired over that one </comicbookguy>

Movie looks good, but it seems like they're trying to cram an awful lot into one film.  And that "big throwdown" would be over in about 2 seconds, Iron Man's side is comically stronger than the Cap group.

They're doing it like Deadpool, no?

I can't come up with any reasons as to why those eyes squint, except for one thing. Marvel is probably just saying "whatever, this is a comic book movie, and the fan boys would like it, so lets just do it".

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Post by: wdleehi on March 11, 2016, 10:52:23 AM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

How do the eyes on the costume squint?  <comicbookguy> Boy, I really hope somebody got fired over that one </comicbookguy>

Movie looks good, but it seems like they're trying to cram an awful lot into one film.  And that "big throwdown" would be over in about 2 seconds, Iron Man's side is comically stronger than the Cap group.


Except in comics, Scarlet Witch is stronger then all of them.  She what she did when she had a mental breakdown.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 18, 2016, 01:29:11 AM
I'm going to go out on the limb and predict that "Batman V Superman" strongly disappoints while "Ghostbusters" is surprisingly decent. 

Gonna pull these numbers out of my butt.  These are my metacritic predictions.

Batman V Superman = 58
Suicide Squad = 46
Ghostbusters = 72

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Redz on March 18, 2016, 07:40:47 AM
Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman? Batman's just a guy in a suit with some fancy toys, Superman is the real deal. 
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Post by: MBunge on March 18, 2016, 08:49:39 AM
Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman?

He's Batman!

Seriously, it's the same theory as Superman vs. Lex Luthor.  Superman is so incredibly powerful, he doesn't think that hard about a lot of things because he doesn't need to.  That leaves openings for a genius like Batman to exploit.

Practically, it's the same reason why every single fight with The Flash doesn't end in .8 seconds.  Fans actually want to see them throwdown against each other.

Mike
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Post by: Moranis on March 18, 2016, 09:59:44 AM
The new Captain America trailer is AWESOME. Except I can't believe they've got Spidey choosing Iron Man's side. Come on!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/dKrVegVI0Us
that spiderman costume looks lackluster :/

How do the eyes on the costume squint?  <comicbookguy> Boy, I really hope somebody got fired over that one </comicbookguy>

Movie looks good, but it seems like they're trying to cram an awful lot into one film.  And that "big throwdown" would be over in about 2 seconds, Iron Man's side is comically stronger than the Cap group.
It is rumored that the suit is a Tony Stark design which is one of the reasons Spider-man is on Stark's side.
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Post by: wdleehi on March 18, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman? Batman's just a guy in a suit with some fancy toys, Superman is the real deal.


Easy answer, he can't.

In the comic books, there is always kryptonite.   Though batman did create his own red kryptonite.


Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 22, 2016, 04:20:34 AM
Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman? Batman's just a guy in a suit with some fancy toys, Superman is the real deal.
its based on the comic "Dark Knight Returns" from the mid 80s.  An aging batman fights superman using a metal suit basically identical to the one being used in this movie.  I think it was laced with kryptonite.  There's actually a animated version of "the dark knight returns" that was pretty good.  It might be streaming on Netflix.  Will be interesting to see how much they borrowed from it.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 22, 2016, 06:07:40 AM
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Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman? Batman's just a guy in a suit with some fancy toys, Superman is the real deal.

Batman is supposed to be a lot smarter compared to Superman.  So he competes using his mind, tactics and his knowledge of psychology and human nature.

Also, in the comics, Superman has a code where he will never use his full strength because he will kill people.   He has violated this a few times, though but it is rare.   This is one reason, a lot of folks did not like the last Superman movie, because he killed so easily and damaged Metropolis beyond all reason.

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Post by: Redz on March 22, 2016, 06:58:47 AM
Thanks for the insight.

I wonder if there will be a Clark Kent vs Bruce Wayne encounter.
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Post by: Denis998 on March 22, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
For the people asking, spiderman isn't actually squinting (as in the effect from deadpool). The high resolution pictures show that the eyes are actually mechanical (possibly engineered by Stark).
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Post by: Moranis on March 22, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Thanks for the insight.

I wonder if there will be a Clark Kent vs Bruce Wayne encounter.
one of the previews showed Supes removing the Batman mask, does that count?

I think I saw them in normal clothes in a preveiew scene as well, though I could be mixing up individual scenes of them by putting them together in my mind because I want that to happen.
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Post by: fairweatherfan on March 22, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
Thanks for the insight.

I wonder if there will be a Clark Kent vs Bruce Wayne encounter.
one of the previews showed Supes removing the Batman mask, does that count?

I think I saw them in normal clothes in a preveiew scene as well, though I could be mixing up individual scenes of them by putting them together in my mind because I want that to happen.

There was a scene like that in the first trailer - Lex Luthor even says it out loud.
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Post by: Fafnir on March 22, 2016, 01:43:08 PM
Thanks for the insight.

I wonder if there will be a Clark Kent vs Bruce Wayne encounter.
The standard Batman/Supes meet and greet involves Supes being snide about seeing through the mask with his vision and then Batman retaliates by investigating Supes for approximately 1 hour and by the end has a detailed list of his identity, suit size, and favorite breakfast foods.

IIRC its been done multiple times in various media.
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 22, 2016, 06:22:21 PM
I'm going to go out on the limb and predict that "Batman V Superman" strongly disappoints while "Ghostbusters" is surprisingly decent. 

Gonna pull these numbers out of my butt.  These are my metacritic predictions.

Batman V Superman = 58
Suicide Squad = 46
Ghostbusters = 72

So far "Batman V Superman" is getting HAMMERED by critics.  I might have over-shot it with the prediction of 58/100.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on March 23, 2016, 09:03:23 AM
I'm going to go out on the limb and predict that "Batman V Superman" strongly disappoints while "Ghostbusters" is surprisingly decent. 

Gonna pull these numbers out of my butt.  These are my metacritic predictions.

Batman V Superman = 58
Suicide Squad = 46
Ghostbusters = 72

So far "Batman V Superman" is getting HAMMERED by critics.  I might have over-shot it with the prediction of 58/100.
I've seen some fairly positive reviews, though it seems by and large they tried to cram too much into the movie and it loses focus because of it.  I don't think anyone is really surprised by that assessment.
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Post by: wdleehi on March 23, 2016, 09:12:37 AM
Serious question from a casual super hero fan. Without a boatload of Kryptonite how does Batman even stand a chance against Superman? Batman's just a guy in a suit with some fancy toys, Superman is the real deal.
its based on the comic "Dark Knight Returns" from the mid 80s.  An aging batman fights superman using a metal suit basically identical to the one being used in this movie.  I think it was laced with kryptonite.  There's actually a animated version of "the dark knight returns" that was pretty good.  It might be streaming on Netflix.  Will be interesting to see how much they borrowed from it.

At the beginning of that fight, Green Arrow shoots Superman with a kryptonite arrow.
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Post by: MasterEmile on March 23, 2016, 08:06:29 PM
I'm going to go out on the limb and predict that "Batman V Superman" strongly disappoints while "Ghostbusters" is surprisingly decent. 

Gonna pull these numbers out of my butt.  These are my metacritic predictions.

Batman V Superman = 58
Suicide Squad = 46
Ghostbusters = 72

So far "Batman V Superman" is getting HAMMERED by critics.  I might have over-shot it with the prediction of 58/100.
I've seen some fairly positive reviews, though it seems by and large they tried to cram too much into the movie and it loses focus because of it.  I don't think anyone is really surprised by that assessment.

Just got back from the movies, it was an excellent movie, they tried to cram a bit too much into it, but it had a very good plot, a good villain with a good plan, and some REALLY unexpected moments. Really one of my favorite superhero movies ever.

On a side note, before the movie even started, a guy appeared on the screen to tell us not to spoil anything we see in the movie for the fans who didn't watch it yet.
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 23, 2016, 09:19:50 PM
46/100 on metacritic.  Even worse than I expected.  Classic Zach Snyder.  Sounds like it's on a par with "watchmen" and "man of steel" so if you hated those you might as well skip this one.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on March 23, 2016, 09:43:57 PM
46/100 on metacritic.  Even worse than I expected.  Classic Zach Snyder.  Sounds like it's on a par with "watchmen" and "man of steel" so if you hated those you might as well skip this one.
are you saying it's worse because you saw it and didn't like it or just based on some rating system?
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 24, 2016, 12:58:14 AM
46/100 on metacritic.  Even worse than I expected.  Classic Zach Snyder.  Sounds like it's on a par with "watchmen" and "man of steel" so if you hated those you might as well skip this one.
are you saying it's worse because you saw it and didn't like it or just based on some rating system?
I'm saying that I expected it to be critically panned based on the reception of "Watchmen" and "Man of Steel".  Zack Snyder is a hack.   Based on the reviews, this one is even worse.   44 out of 100 on metacritic.  34% rotten on Rottentomatoes.   That's pretty rough.  So according to critical consensus, this movie has even more problems than Snyders other comicbook movies.

Personally, I totally agreed with the scores for Watchmen (58 on Metacritic) and Man of Steel (56 on Metacritic).  Neither were great movies.  I was entertained by them in other ways.   But whether or not I think a movie is "good" and whether or not I am entertained by them are two separate things.  There are plenty of "bad" movies I've enjoyed over the years.  "Waterworld" and "Hook" are two of my favorite "bad" movies.  I'd never disagree with criticism of them... but I still like them for what they were.   More recently, I went into seeing "Dumb and DumberER" fully expecting it to be a giant turd.  It was.  Still, I had a couple laughs.  Whatev.  I don't think the TV show "The Flash" is particularly good, but I watch it weekly, because it's a genre I love.   Same with the show "Shameless" - pretty stupid show, but I find aspects of it entertaining.   

I have tickets to see "Batman V Superman" tomorrow.  I'm sure it will be cool to see live action Batman face off against live action Superman.  I've loved those characters for a long time.  Similar to how someone who loves Alien and Predator would enjoy the spectacle of "Alien V Predator".  Or "Freddie V Jason".  But again, you can decide a movie is bad and still like it, because it's a genre you love.
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Post by: slamtheking on March 24, 2016, 10:29:01 AM
46/100 on metacritic.  Even worse than I expected.  Classic Zach Snyder.  Sounds like it's on a par with "watchmen" and "man of steel" so if you hated those you might as well skip this one.
are you saying it's worse because you saw it and didn't like it or just based on some rating system?
I'm saying that I expected it to be critically panned based on the reception of "Watchmen" and "Man of Steel".  Zack Snyder is a hack.   Based on the reviews, this one is even worse.   44 out of 100 on metacritic.  34% rotten on Rottentomatoes.   That's pretty rough.  So according to critical consensus, this movie has even more problems than Snyders other comicbook movies.

Personally, I totally agreed with the scores for Watchmen (58 on Metacritic) and Man of Steel (56 on Metacritic).  Neither were great movies.  I was entertained by them in other ways.   But whether or not I think a movie is "good" and whether or not I am entertained by them are two separate things.  There are plenty of "bad" movies I've enjoyed over the years.  "Waterworld" and "Hook" are two of my favorite "bad" movies.  I'd never disagree with criticism of them... but I still like them for what they were.   More recently, I went into seeing "Dumb and DumberER" fully expecting it to be a giant turd.  It was.  Still, I had a couple laughs.  Whatev.  I don't think the TV show "The Flash" is particularly good, but I watch it weekly, because it's a genre I love.   Same with the show "Shameless" - pretty stupid show, but I find aspects of it entertaining.   

I have tickets to see "Batman V Superman" tomorrow.  I'm sure it will be cool to see live action Batman face off against live action Superman.  I've loved those characters for a long time.  Similar to how someone who loves Alien and Predator would enjoy the spectacle of "Alien V Predator".  Or "Freddie V Jason".  But again, you can decide a movie is bad and still like it, because it's a genre you love.
thanks for the clarification.

Personally, the only rating systems I care about are
1. whether I liked it or not
2. whether people who have similar tastes as mine liked it or not  (which is typically what I find out before I see a movie)
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 24, 2016, 03:47:23 PM
46/100 on metacritic.  Even worse than I expected.  Classic Zach Snyder.  Sounds like it's on a par with "watchmen" and "man of steel" so if you hated those you might as well skip this one.
are you saying it's worse because you saw it and didn't like it or just based on some rating system?
I'm saying that I expected it to be critically panned based on the reception of "Watchmen" and "Man of Steel".  Zack Snyder is a hack.   Based on the reviews, this one is even worse.   44 out of 100 on metacritic.  34% rotten on Rottentomatoes.   That's pretty rough.  So according to critical consensus, this movie has even more problems than Snyders other comicbook movies.

Personally, I totally agreed with the scores for Watchmen (58 on Metacritic) and Man of Steel (56 on Metacritic).  Neither were great movies.  I was entertained by them in other ways.   But whether or not I think a movie is "good" and whether or not I am entertained by them are two separate things.  There are plenty of "bad" movies I've enjoyed over the years.  "Waterworld" and "Hook" are two of my favorite "bad" movies.  I'd never disagree with criticism of them... but I still like them for what they were.   More recently, I went into seeing "Dumb and Dumber To" fully expecting it to be a giant turd.  It was.  Still, I had a couple laughs.  Whatev.  I don't think the TV show "The Flash" is particularly good, but I watch it weekly, because it's a genre I love.   Same with the show "Shameless" - pretty stupid show, but I find aspects of it entertaining.   

I have tickets to see "Batman V Superman" tomorrow.  I'm sure it will be cool to see live action Batman face off against live action Superman.  I've loved those characters for a long time.  Similar to how someone who loves Alien and Predator would enjoy the spectacle of "Alien V Predator".  Or "Freddie V Jason".  But again, you can decide a movie is bad and still like it, because it's a genre you love.
thanks for the clarification.

Personally, the only rating systems I care about are
1. whether I liked it or not
2. whether people who have similar tastes as mine liked it or not  (which is typically what I find out before I see a movie)
I find the review aggregator sites incredibly helpful in determining what films are worth my time.  I typically agree with the consensus.  They attempt to measure the quality of the film.  44 out of 100 on metacritic is not a good film.  THat's pretty mediocre-to-bad.  But if you LOOOVE a genre, you should be able to watch a film in the 40s and still enjoy it.  I hate horror films... there's no way I'd waste my time with a horror film that scored in the 40s.  If a horror film scores in the 70s/80s, maybe it's worth my time.   "Cabin the Woods" (72 on metacritic) is a good example of a horror film I watched and enjoyed, because it was getting positive consensus from a wide audience.    On the flip side, I love Comedy and I'll occasionally see a mediocre comedy (something that scored in the 40s) and be fine with it. 

The superhero genre is my thing... so I'm sure I'll be ok with aspects of Batman V Superman.  But by all accounts, it's a pretty mediocre movie with massive problems.   That means it will not appeal to a wide audience.   Sounds like it's a little worse than "The Watchmen".  Some people (mostly comic nerds) loved the Watchmen.  Others thought "Watchmen" was a giant turd. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: PhoSita on March 24, 2016, 03:49:17 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 24, 2016, 03:57:28 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.
Really hope they get rid of him.  That's a common complaint of the movie... there's nothing "fun" about it.  Of course fanboys will argue that not everything has to be Marvel bright and cheerful, but that's missing the point. "The Dark Knight" was a relatively dark movie and there were still plenty of "Fun" moments... especially Ledger's performance. 

JJ Abrams explained that with "Star Wars Episode 7" they tried to focus on moments that would "delight" the audience and fit as many in there as possible.  It didn't even need to be funny or cute things... just things that caused emotional reactions.  Vader telling Luke he's his father is a "moment of delight". 

That's one thing that Marvel focuses on as well.  It's why a relatively clunker dump of a movie (Age of Ultron) can get somewhat positive reviews (66 out of 100 on metacritic)... little moments that stand out whether it's the team trying to lift THors hammer or Hawkeye cracking a joke... they delight the audience. 

Snyder is far too interested in making dark and drab overly serious bummers.   Yeah, it was cool to see Superman lifted off the pages in "man of steel", but when you don't care about the characters or the story it kind of makes those action scenes feel empty.   A lot of hardcore superman fans enjoyed it, but I went and saw that movie with my entire company for a company offsite and I think out of the 100+ people who attended, I might have been the only person who actually enjoyed it.  I'm seeing "Batman V Superman" tonight... will see if it is actually worse than Man of Steel.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 24, 2016, 04:05:07 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Dawn of the Dead was also good, though no one's expecting much joy from that kind of premise.  And I liked 300 when it came out though it hasn't held up well after the style got mimicked to death.

But yeah, he's mainly a glorified visual effects guy who struggles at big picture stuff.  However I think a lot of the humorless nature of the DC films has come from over his head - Warner Bros is widely reported to have a "no jokes" policy since Green Lantern flopped.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on March 24, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
My oldest son just saw BvS.

Said it was AMAZING...and this comes from a young critic.

Said it was full of easter eggs, too.

Can't wait to see it next week.

#DCforever
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Post by: Csfan1984 on March 24, 2016, 09:17:16 PM
I may watch Sunday.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on March 24, 2016, 09:47:22 PM
I think BvS discussion merits it's own thread.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: guava_wrench on March 24, 2016, 10:06:58 PM
I'm concerned about BvS. The last 3 Batmans were amazing. Now they have the director of 300 doing this. That worries me. I couldn't get past 15 minutes of 300. Very corny. Watchmen was okay, but nothing great. Not sure how this guy keeps getting big projects.
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Post by: Sketch5 on March 24, 2016, 10:52:41 PM
I'm concerned about BvS. The last 3 Batmans were amazing. Now they have the director of 300 doing this. That worries me. I couldn't get past 15 minutes of 300. Very corny. Watchmen was okay, but nothing great. Not sure how this guy keeps getting big projects.

The first two of the last Batmans were good, not amazing. Too grounded for a comicbook movie and Nolan couldn't wrap his head around a world that has both Supes and Bats in it. I had high hopes for Bale, but he was good, not great looking back rewatching them. Dark Knight Rises, I almost walk out on. I've tried to rewatch it a could times, but I can't sit threw the whole thing in one go.

Just got done watching BvS. Very good, not great,mostly because the first half was jumbled and choppy. Second half was great. Snyder while he doesn't handle Superman very well, has a good grasp on Batman and WonderWoman.

Affleck is the best Batman to date. How Snyder handled him and used him with Alfred was great, felt like the old Batman cartoon. The first time you see Batman I actually got chills, and not from excitement, but he scared me the way they lit him and used the POV of the other character. Right out of the comic. And viscous.....Wow, he's no joke. How he handles bad guys is nuts. And his Bruce Wayne was tops. Spot on casting that wouldn't have worked 10 years ago, but does now.

Godat as WW was really impressive. For some one who hasn't had much screen time in her career she handled herself with the big boys and some times even outshined them. I'm really looking forward to the WW movie next year.

Once the three of them got together it worked. It flowed really well, even has some humor in it. I can really see them working in a JL movie together.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 25, 2016, 12:28:08 AM
Just saw it.  The criticism is completely warranted.  Overall it's not a good film.

I don't recommend it for anyone who isn't a super fan.  I'm definitely not taking a casual movie-goer to see this.  I'm not even sure I'd recommend children see it.  In the same way "Watchmen" was gratuitously dark, so is this movie.  They just double-down on tons of innocent people being murdered.

It really is a joyless downer of a film with a wonky plot, some bad performances, illogical motives, terrible pacing and useless scenes.   It has 3 dream sequences.  It sets up introductions to future characters in completely hamfisted ways.  In many ways it's hacky.  You've seen everything you really need to see in the trailer.

I actually like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but his performance as Lex misses the mark.  It's awful.  I'm pegging him as the single worst part of this movie... both his performance, the dialogue, the character's motives, etc.   It brings down this movie.

All that said, Ben Affleck is fine as Batman.  If this franchise continues, I'd be interested to see a better director give him some better material to work with.  But really he might just have seemed good by comparison to the rest of the dumpster fire happening around him.

As a nerd, I was entertained for the most part.  This movie is in my wheelhouse.  I'm the demographic for it... so I certainly enjoyed aspects of it, but I'm a movie fanatic that goes to movies once a week and watches all the superhero themed shows...  There's tons of bad content I'm willing to sit through.   If you're a casual viewer, you might want to stay from this one.   If you LOVED the Watchmen, you'll probably enjoy this a lot.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on March 25, 2016, 06:59:33 AM
Just saw it.  The criticism is completely warranted.  Overall it's not a good film.

I don't recommend it for anyone who isn't a super fan.  I'm definitely not taking a casual movie-goer to see this.  I'm not even sure I'd recommend children see it.  In the same way "Watchmen" was gratuitously dark, so is this movie.  They just double-down on tons of innocent people being murdered.

It really is a joyless downer of a film with a wonky plot, some bad performances, illogical motives, terrible pacing and useless scenes.   It has 3 dream sequences.  It sets up introductions to future characters in completely hamfisted ways.  In many ways it's hacky.  You've seen everything you really need to see in the trailer.

I actually like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but his performance as Lex misses the mark.  It's awful.  I'm pegging him as the single worst part of this movie... both his performance, the dialogue, the character's motives, etc.   It brings down this movie.

All that said, Ben Affleck is fine as Batman.  If this franchise continues, I'd be interested to see a better director give him some better material to work with.  But really he might just have seemed good by comparison to the rest of the dumpster fire happening around him.

As a nerd, I was entertained for the most part.  This movie is in my wheelhouse.  I'm the demographic for it... so I certainly enjoyed aspects of it, but I'm a movie fanatic that goes to movies once a week and watches all the superhero themed shows...  There's tons of bad content I'm willing to sit through.   If you're a casual viewer, you might want to stay from this one.   If you LOVED the Watchmen, you'll probably enjoy this a lot.

What's your take on this review?:

http://m.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-batman-v-superman-throws-lots-of-punches-but-with-no-impact-at-all
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on March 25, 2016, 09:59:27 AM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.
Really hope they get rid of him.  That's a common complaint of the movie... there's nothing "fun" about it.  Of course fanboys will argue that not everything has to be Marvel bright and cheerful, but that's missing the point. "The Dark Knight" was a relatively dark movie and there were still plenty of "Fun" moments... especially Ledger's performance. 

JJ Abrams explained that with "Star Wars Episode 7" they tried to focus on moments that would "delight" the audience and fit as many in there as possible.  It didn't even need to be funny or cute things... just things that caused emotional reactions.  Vader telling Luke he's his father is a "moment of delight". 

That's one thing that Marvel focuses on as well.  It's why a relatively clunker dump of a movie (Age of Ultron) can get somewhat positive reviews (66 out of 100 on metacritic)... little moments that stand out whether it's the team trying to lift THors hammer or Hawkeye cracking a joke... they delight the audience.
 

Snyder is far too interested in making dark and drab overly serious bummers.   Yeah, it was cool to see Superman lifted off the pages in "man of steel", but when you don't care about the characters or the story it kind of makes those action scenes feel empty.   A lot of hardcore superman fans enjoyed it, but I went and saw that movie with my entire company for a company offsite and I think out of the 100+ people who attended, I might have been the only person who actually enjoyed it.  I'm seeing "Batman V Superman" tonight... will see if it is actually worse than Man of Steel.
I think that's the key for Marvel movies developing the broader appeal they enjoy.  DC's movies have precious little humor to them so casual viewers of comic movies are turned off.  As for The Dark Knight being bleak, yes, it very much was however Ledger's Joker stole the movie in what I consider a tour-de-force performance. 

I consider my wife to be a prime example of a casual viewer who goes to see these types of films to humor me.  Deadpool was loaded with humor (several actual LOL scenes) and wants to go see it again.  plenty of action for comic fans (as well as staying pretty true to the character's comic book persona) and entertainment for the casual fan.

I'll still see SvB while it's in the theaters simply because, as you say "it's in my wheelhouse"
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 25, 2016, 10:21:42 AM
It has 3 dream sequences. 

Hahahahaha that seems to sum it up more than anything else in that post.

I won't see this until it comes out for home viewing but it seems pretty hacky.  The title alone is horribly contrived.  Still I'll check it out at some point.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 25, 2016, 07:38:39 PM
It has 3 dream sequences. 

Hahahahaha that seems to sum it up more than anything else in that post.

I won't see this until it comes out for home viewing but it seems pretty hacky.  The title alone is horribly contrived.  Still I'll check it out at some point.
But seriously... the dream sequences are pretty unnecessary beyond Zack Snyder wanting an excuse to do some whacky visual stuff as shout-outs to comic fans. 
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Post by: LarBrd33 on March 25, 2016, 07:51:56 PM
Just saw it.  The criticism is completely warranted.  Overall it's not a good film.

I don't recommend it for anyone who isn't a super fan.  I'm definitely not taking a casual movie-goer to see this.  I'm not even sure I'd recommend children see it.  In the same way "Watchmen" was gratuitously dark, so is this movie.  They just double-down on tons of innocent people being murdered.

It really is a joyless downer of a film with a wonky plot, some bad performances, illogical motives, terrible pacing and useless scenes.   It has 3 dream sequences.  It sets up introductions to future characters in completely hamfisted ways.  In many ways it's hacky.  You've seen everything you really need to see in the trailer.

I actually like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but his performance as Lex misses the mark.  It's awful.  I'm pegging him as the single worst part of this movie... both his performance, the dialogue, the character's motives, etc.   It brings down this movie.

All that said, Ben Affleck is fine as Batman.  If this franchise continues, I'd be interested to see a better director give him some better material to work with.  But really he might just have seemed good by comparison to the rest of the dumpster fire happening around him.

As a nerd, I was entertained for the most part.  This movie is in my wheelhouse.  I'm the demographic for it... so I certainly enjoyed aspects of it, but I'm a movie fanatic that goes to movies once a week and watches all the superhero themed shows...  There's tons of bad content I'm willing to sit through.   If you're a casual viewer, you might want to stay from this one.   If you LOVED the Watchmen, you'll probably enjoy this a lot.

What's your take on this review?:

http://m.hitfix.com/motion-captured/review-batman-v-superman-throws-lots-of-punches-but-with-no-impact-at-all
It's spot on.

There are parts that are breathtakingly stupid... many centered on Lex's character.  His character makes no sense at all. 

Actually for those who see it, I'll delve a little into spoiler territory here, but really anything you need to see is already in the trailers so there's nothing really worth spoiling. 

To me, Batman's motives in this movie are far more in line with what Lex should be thinking.  Batman doesn't necessarily think Superman is going to bring death to everyone, though he does partially blame him for a lot of the destruction in "Man of Steel".  And despite lots of people seeing Superman as a hero that saved everyone, Batman suggests that if there's a 1% chance he turns evil, he needs to take it as an "absolute certainty".  Which is stupid, but whatever.  At least Batman's motives have some logic.  He's got to stop Superman "just in case".  No one man should have all that pooowwwah.  But for whatever reason, Batman decides the only solution is to murder Superman.  I mean... ok? 

That should be Lex's motives.  Stop Superman, because no one man should have all that poowwwaah.  But his character is a chaotic and ridiculous mess.   He wants to orchestrate a battle between Batman and Superman, murder tons of innocent people, kill Batman for some reason, unleash literal Doomsday, kidnap and torture Martha Kent... His character is just stupid.  And it's heightened by Eisenberg apparently deciding that Lex Luthor should be a cross between the Joker and Riddler.  All while stuffing cherry jolly ranchers in the mouths of senators and squealing like a cartoon character. 

They also handled the introduction of additional Justice League characters in the most hamfisted way possible.   Lex has a database of "meta humans" (complete with character logos).  We find out about this after Batman hacks into Lex's database and sends the info to Wonder Woman via e-mail.   She opens up the various attachments to see clips of the characters.  It's dumb. 

There's moments in the movie that neat.  I particularly enjoyed the opening scene of Bruce at ground zero of the events of "Man of Steel", but you already saw that in the trailer.  Kinda neat to see the actual Superman/Batman battle from "Dark Knight Returns" reenacted.  But so much of it was just dumb, cynical and depressing. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Vox_Populi on March 25, 2016, 07:54:26 PM
It has 3 dream sequences. 

Hahahahaha that seems to sum it up more than anything else in that post.

I won't see this until it comes out for home viewing but it seems pretty hacky.  The title alone is horribly contrived.  Still I'll check it out at some point.
But seriously... the dream sequences are pretty unnecessary beyond Zack Snyder wanting an excuse to do some whacky visual stuff as shout-outs to comic fans. 
I don't know why they persist with Snyder. I understand they want to separate themselves from the MCU, but every film I've ever seen him direct makes it seems like he has no idea what the end goal is.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GC003332 on March 25, 2016, 08:50:22 PM
Any movie with Diane Lane in it is worth a watch, even if she only gets limited screen time. ;)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 25, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
I don't know why critics hated Dawn of Justice, it was fun.

Affleck was good as Barman, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman was awesome. It literally looked kirk the comic books came to life.

Sure, it isn't perfect, but it was good.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 25, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
I'm primarily a Marvel fan, but I'm looking forward to BvS. The previews have looked pretty good.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: PhoSita on March 25, 2016, 10:46:26 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Dawn of the Dead was also good, though no one's expecting much joy from that kind of premise.  And I liked 300 when it came out though it hasn't held up well after the style got mimicked to death.

But yeah, he's mainly a glorified visual effects guy who struggles at big picture stuff.  However I think a lot of the humorless nature of the DC films has come from over his head - Warner Bros is widely reported to have a "no jokes" policy since Green Lantern flopped.


I think with Sci Fi / Fantasy, you're asking a lot of your audience if you are not willing to reward their suspension of disbelief with some humor, wonder, and just plain fun / joy. 

If you want to go full on dark and gritty with your speculative fiction, you've got to be tackling major philosophical issues, and your writing has to excellent.  It has to feel like the "work" the audience is putting in will pay off with an experience that'll leave them thinking long after they're done taking it in.


Snyder rarely has "fun" with his material, and his movies rarely have enough meat in them to justify the serious tone.  Watchmen came close, but that was because it was, like I said before, based on a superb graphic novel.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 25, 2016, 11:00:49 PM
I don't know why critics hated Dawn of Justice, it was fun.

Affleck was good as Barman, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman was awesome. It literally looked kirk the comic books came to life.

Sure, it isn't perfect, but it was good.
Wonder woman looked ok.  She mostly just turned her head and preened at the camera.   Apparently her entire storyline revolved around her wanting a digital picture back.  Then she shows up and fights.  K. 

Her inclusion in the film served no purpose beyond selling tickets to her solo film. 

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 26, 2016, 11:30:42 AM
I don't know why critics hated Dawn of Justice, it was fun.

Affleck was good as Barman, Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman was awesome. It literally looked kirk the comic books came to life.

Sure, it isn't perfect, but it was good.
Wonder woman looked ok.  She mostly just turned her head and preened at the camera.   Apparently her entire storyline revolved around her wanting a digital picture back.  Then she shows up and fights.  K. 

Her inclusion in the film served no purpose beyond selling tickets to her solo film.

They didn't put a ton in her because she has her own origin story coming up. If they put everything in Batman vs Superman, then the stand alone Wonder Woman won't make sense. I thought there's enough WW there, and they actually made her looked the strongest at one point, which is awesome.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Denis998 on March 26, 2016, 09:09:13 PM
BvS is quite a hit and miss film.
Ben was great as Batman/Bruce. For the casual movie goer, this film was probably great, decent cinematography, bunch of booms and bangs of the sort. I felt that Lex was played quite well.
Bunch of holes in the story though.
Wonder Womans character development was non existent. Batman's character didnt much follow his cannon.
I enjoed watching it, but afterwards the holes became apparent.
superman's muscle suit was too exaggerated.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GC003332 on March 28, 2016, 03:50:06 AM
BvS:DoJ

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4171

Biggest ever opening in the US for a Waner Bros picture, wonder how many weeks it will stay in the theatres despite the less than stellar reviews.

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Post by: Spilling Green Dye on March 28, 2016, 07:18:42 AM
I couldn't be the only one who was bored to tears during most of the movie, was I?  Plot holes aside, it was way too long, over acted (especially Lex), tried to be to artistic in some scenes, and the action was way too over the top absurd. 

When they show the house in Kansas I had memories of the original superman with Christopher Reeves and remembered just how good of a story that was, how much you could relate to him, and how much they ruined it with their Michael Bay directing style. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 28, 2016, 07:37:26 AM
I have liked movies the critics crapped on, disliked movies they liked.  I wonder if it time we outgrew movie critics.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on March 28, 2016, 11:32:27 AM
Dawn of Justice was crap in my honest opinion. Aside from the fights, the storyline is complete crap.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Redz on March 31, 2016, 08:47:26 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Give this a read.  Love this :
Quote
"It’s like making a Strawberry Shortcake movie that is all about diabetes."
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: PhoSita on March 31, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
I think joss whedon has the right approach for these types of films / shows.

Take the world and the characters you're creating seriously, but don't create worlds and characters that are overly serious.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Redz on March 31, 2016, 08:55:45 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Give this a read.  Love this :
Quote
"It’s like making a Strawberry Shortcake movie that is all about diabetes."


forgot to insert link:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/30/superman-and-the-damage-done
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: PhoSita on March 31, 2016, 09:07:31 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Give this a read.  Love this :
Quote
"It’s like making a Strawberry Shortcake movie that is all about diabetes."


forgot to insert link:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/30/superman-and-the-damage-done

That was an excellent read, thanks.
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Post by: Redz on March 31, 2016, 09:26:46 PM
Zach Snyder has a way of squeezing any joy or life out of his material.

I liked Watchmen though.  But the source material there was absolutely superb.

Give this a read.  Love this :
Quote
"It’s like making a Strawberry Shortcake movie that is all about diabetes."


forgot to insert link:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/30/superman-and-the-damage-done

That was an excellent read, thanks.

Yeh.  It was a good perspective.  Kind of depressing though.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on April 15, 2016, 11:19:39 PM
I loved Man of Steel. It's my second favorite movie ever. I'm a superman nut. But I never really read the comics . I honestly couldn't afford the hobby growing up. I know people want a less sad superman but I feel like I know we'll get that. I think that's the character arc Snyder is building. I totally get that it's not for everyone. But I personally love how ( in my opinion) they are depicting how the world would react. I like how they continued this in B v S.
   For DC comic lovers I can see how it's a bummer that they aren't getting what they want . I get not being happy with a certain version but I found Both movies touching. I didn't agree with Bv S being some kind of mess. But I've read some fans have agreed with the critics so to each his/ her own.
   I'm personally relieved at the serious tone of the movie. I see how Marvel movies are enjoyable to some but I'd be so bummed if DC went the tongue in cheek , talking raccoon , tons of quips route.
  I haven't enjoyed the Marvel movies except the first iron man and I also liked rd nortons hulk movie because I think Norton is just awesome.
   One thing that baffles me is marvel fans that bash DC movies. I don't get the joy in seeing the other fail. I've seen sites with back and forth on box office numbers. You would think some of these fans are getting a cut , lol
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 02, 2016, 06:21:19 PM
I'm going to go out on the limb and predict that "Batman V Superman" strongly disappoints while "Ghostbusters" is surprisingly decent. 

Gonna pull these numbers out of my butt.  These are my metacritic predictions.

Batman V Superman = 58
Suicide Squad = 46
Ghostbusters = 72
Batman v superman ended up with a 44
Ghostbusters ended up with a 60
So far, Suicide Squad has a 47

A little off, but looks like the core point was accurate.  Ghostbusters was better than both in the eyes of critics. 

But man... only 1 off with my SS prediction.   I had guessed Ghostbusters would end up 14 points higher than BvS - it ended up 16 points higher.  Lol.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 09, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
I haven't seen SS but loved both the other two DC flicks. For the marvel stuff I thought iron man 1 was good but both sequels awful. Cap America 1 campy but pretty good, the sequel I thought was a little ridiculous but not that bad. Hulk with Norton I actually liked. No fun at age of ultron and guardians what I saw I just had it. It's just personal taste. I like grim . I don't like campiness. I know that's what it's going for and they're having great success but I just don't dig pirates of carribean type goofy action. It's great that it's family friendly though.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 09, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
Both Thor flicks were awful in my opinion.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 09, 2016, 12:26:53 PM
I don't hate marvel or hate any of the movies , I'm just not into the tone. I don't want talking ducks or raccoons . I'm not being a smart ass and I've watched a bunch of these movies but they're just not my style.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 09, 2016, 12:29:52 PM
I know some really hated MPs and b v s even more but for those who DID enjoy them I do think it's key that superman can't come back mopey when the world will likely accept him. He has to change as a person would in my opinion. I don't want to see a donner type superman lol. But he has to be happier in his job.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 19, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
If anyone's curious... I sorted every major superhero film since 2000 by critical consensus:

Basic HTML version:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/2acbc508be70495b94ad899b58ae13fd

Interactive verison that lets you sort/filter:  https://app.smartsheet.com/b/publish?EQBCT=8194e516872f4d178928f1afa31d3927

Default, I'm sorting by metacritic score since it's superior to rottentomatoes, but I've included the rottentomatoes % as well.   There's some color coding based on the studio. 

Just kinda interesting.   I was surprised to see a couple movies high on that list.  "Superman Returns" got much better reviews than I remembered.   Hellboy II is one of the most critically acclaimed superhero films.   Funny to see that the recent "Fantastic 4" movie and Haley Berry's "Catwoman" got exactly the same metacritic and rottentomatoes scores. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on August 19, 2016, 02:14:00 PM
If anyone's curious... I sorted every major superhero film since 2000 by critical consensus:

Basic HTML version:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/2acbc508be70495b94ad899b58ae13fd

Interactive verison that lets you sort/filter:  https://app.smartsheet.com/b/publish?EQBCT=8194e516872f4d178928f1afa31d3927

Default, I'm sorting by metacritic score since it's superior to rottentomatoes, but I've included the rottentomatoes % as well. 

Just kinda interesting.   I was surprised to see a couple movies high on that list.  "Superman Returns" got much better reviews than I remembered.   Hellboy II is one of the most critically acclaimed superhero films.   Funny to see that the recent "Fantastic 4" movie and Haley Berry's "Catwoman" got exactly the same metacritic and rottentomatoes scores.

wow great job!
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 19, 2016, 02:16:11 PM
Cat woman is awesome unintended comedy gold. If I remember correctly she skies over Benjamin brat Nd almost two hand slam dunks it on him in front of the school kids. A cosmetic company with security ready to shoot to kill. Just hysterical.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 19, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Cat woman is awesome unintended comedy gold. If I remember correctly she skies over Benjamin brat Nd almost two hand slam dunks it on him in front of the school kids. A cosmetic company with security ready to shoot to kill. Just hysterical.
That's like the only scene I've ever seen from that movie.  Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on August 19, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
Cat woman is awesome unintended comedy gold. If I remember correctly she skies over Benjamin brat Nd almost two hand slam dunks it on him in front of the school kids. A cosmetic company with security ready to shoot to kill. Just hysterical.
That's like the only scene I've ever seen from that movie.  Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ

you gotta read those comments on that clip. I LOL'd hard
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 19, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Cat woman is awesome unintended comedy gold. If I remember correctly she skies over Benjamin brat Nd almost two hand slam dunks it on him in front of the school kids. A cosmetic company with security ready to shoot to kill. Just hysterical.
That's like the only scene I've ever seen from that movie.  Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ

you gotta read those comments on that clip. I LOL'd hard

The part about there being too many cuts is funny.

It reminds me of this...  "In Taken 3, Director Olivier Megaton makes 15 camera cuts in 6 seconds to show Liam Neeson jumping over a fence"

Here's the video of that:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM

I improved on the 15 camera cuts, and made a version with 68 cuts:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5DkJvDKgXY
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on August 19, 2016, 03:07:32 PM
Saw Suicide squad the other day. Mediocre at best, it really started to drag in the last 30 minutes or so.

Will Smith was awful, couldn't be bothered to act, just did his normal routine.

Most of the squad members origin stories were underdeveloped.

Really Warner Bros. should have just made a more focused Harley Quinn/Joker movie, maybe with Deadshot and Amanda Waller as secondary characters, and used that material to build towards a legit Suicide Squad sequel focused on the team.

Sad thing is that they shot a ton of footage which wasn't used in the final cut, much of which would have alleviated the movie's flaws.

The most egregious cuts were those that showed the abusive relationship between Harley and Joker. These scenes were critical to Harley's character arc, as they would have showed her eventually breaking free from the cycle of abuse.

http://www.slashfilm.com/suicide-squad-deleted-scenes/

 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on August 19, 2016, 03:32:30 PM
There's been a pattern in the last few DC movies.

Just too many plotlines going on at once, with not enough time devoted to each one. They have not spent nearly as much time as Marvel has setting these stories up. It's like they're trying to cram a miniseries into a single movie.

Dark Knight Rising should have been split into two movies. That film drew upon literally dozens of comics, including multiple major storylines from the comics ("Knightfall," "Dark Knight Returns," maybe even "No Man's Land"). We see Bane enslave a ruined Gotham, but barely any time is spent showing what that enslavement really looks like. Just one rushed scene after another.

Batman v Superman suffers from similar problems. Thankfully I never saw the theatrical cut and only watched the extended edition, which fills a lot of the plot holes that vexed so many fans. But even the extended cut feels undercooked.

To maintain my willing suspension of disbelief I need more reason to believe that Batman and Superman could hate each other so much. This critical plot point just didn't get enough time and attention. Wonder Woman was also underutilized. If they had fixed this and lightened the tone just a little bit they would have had a great film.

But to fix this they needed more screen time. Three hours just wasn't enough for the scope of story they tried to tell. They should have split it into two films.

And Suicide Squad was a mess, as I detailed in a post above.

Maybe over at Warner Bros. there are too many cooks in the artistic kitchen?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on August 19, 2016, 03:41:42 PM
Marvel has unfurled their universe at a much more leisurely pace than DC.

Before the release of "the Avengers" in 2012 we'd already seen Iron Man 1+2, Incredible Hulk, Captain America, and Thor.

We didn't need any introductions on the fly. We knew who Loki was and why he was disgruntled.

DC is doing things the opposite way for some reason.

Keeping in mind that Nolan's Batman movies are a separate universe, we are only getting Man Of Steel, Batman v Superman, and then Wonder Woman.

Then we get the full Justice League movie.

Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg, and possibly Green Lantern will be thrown in without a proper intro.

Some of those characters are not well-known to the general public. You have to wonder what DC is thinking, they could be repeating the same mistake they made with "Suicide Squad."
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 19, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Oof , I myself thought iron man 2 and 3 were awful after liking the 1st one.avengers just fighting bunch of nobody's, , ultron flick boring. I honestly thought Ben Kingsley reveal in im3 was a blooper reel my friend was joking with me giving me a burnt copy. I'm in the minotity but Loki ws rificulous to me. Shooting laser beams out of the back of a pick up truck?
  Mos i thought was amazing. I did love BVS . It has a story, a sense of danger and very good reason Batman would hate superman and why superman wanted to stop Batman. I don't get the criticism really. I have heard mixed reviews on SS from fans. I'm not super eager to see that one. Maybe I'll check out for continuity sake. I'm not a comic book fan though so I know some people were upset with depictions in DC world. Maybe I benefitted from not being as aware.
  But I also am a fan of dark stories so that plays to DC too where I think the marvel movies I saw are lighter and like a pirates of the carribean type fun movie. I get that.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: hodgy03038 on August 19, 2016, 05:53:05 PM
Somebody please remove this thread from me
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: LarBrd33 on August 19, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Somebody please remove this thread from me
You should be all set now hodgy.  I've removed it from you.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on December 09, 2016, 12:57:57 PM
Two trailers (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-spider-man-homecoming-trailer-is-here-guest-starr-1789897745?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=fridayAM) for Spider-Man: Homecoming have been released, and they look pretty cool! (Yes, I'm a Marvel fanatic.)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Mempitt18 on March 26, 2017, 11:29:45 PM
Ideas for future Marvel/DC movies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt-jgQjX77k&t=139s
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Mempitt18 on March 26, 2017, 11:31:08 PM
5 Ways to fix the DC Movie Universe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qNsJ_-MVU
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: greece66 on April 17, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
anyone here has watched the 2006 documentary Look, Up in the Sky: The Amazing Story of Superman?

They show it this Wednesday and I wonder if it's worth it.

PS here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look,_Up_in_the_Sky:_The_Amazing_Story_of_Superman) is a link to the Wikipedia entry for the documentary.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on April 17, 2017, 01:49:55 PM
5 Ways to fix the DC Movie Universe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qNsJ_-MVU

Honestly they just need to stop trying to cram too much into each film.

Batman v Superman had potential but had way too much going on, especially in the shorter theatrical version. There was no time to flesh out the story.

Same with Suicide Squad, way too many characters, not enough screen time for everyone. They should have started with a proper Harley Quinn/Joker/Deadshot movie, then followed it up with a full Suicide Squad film in which they could give more spotlight to the other, more obscure characters.

There are a lot of good ideas, but too many cooks in the proverbial kitchen.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on April 17, 2017, 02:08:47 PM
5 Ways to fix the DC Movie Universe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qNsJ_-MVU

Honestly they just need to stop trying to cram too much into each film.

Batman v Superman had potential but had way too much going on, especially in the shorter theatrical version. There was no time to flesh out the story.

Same with Suicide Squad, way too many characters, not enough screen time for everyone. They should have started with a proper Harley Quinn/Joker/Deadshot movie, then followed it up with a full Suicide Squad film in which they could give more spotlight to the other, more obscure characters.

There are a lot of good ideas, but too many cooks in the proverbial kitchen.

those were my thoughts exactly, BvS was an entertaining movie but the execution of the movie in terms of storytelling was pretty poor. Suicide Squad imo, was just crap.

It'll be interesting to see how well Wonder Woman and Justice League will be
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on June 02, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
Wonder Woman was great. Best comic book movie since Cap Am 2.  It had a very nice mix of humor, action, and heart.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Eja117 on October 22, 2017, 08:28:49 PM
Wife wanted to watch Wonderwoman and almost everyone I heard said it was great. I find it totally unwatchable.  Just horrible. Maybe for the next super hero movies they can put Aqua Man in the Civil War and Flash could come from Vietnam or something. Horrible paper thin "plot." Terrible never ending fight scenes. I can't believe people like this movie but they do. Seems specifically designed for the Nascar crowd and feminists that needed an excuse to spend a buck.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 22, 2017, 08:38:32 PM
I likes Fog Horn Leg Horn.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2018, 03:45:50 PM
I thought Black Panther was awesome. Maybe it’s recent bias, but I think it’s my favorite superhero movie since Captain America 2.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on February 17, 2018, 04:06:09 PM
Do we have to stay after the credits are over?? Black panther movie
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
Do we have to stay after the credits are over?? Black panther movie

There are 2 after-credit scenes. One is fairly generic, the other sets things up a bit for Infinity War.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Big333223 on April 10, 2018, 11:26:15 AM
Black Panther has passed Titanic and is now the third highest grossing movie of all time (without adjusting for inflation) and is the highest grossing superhero movie of all time. It looks like it'll probably settle in as third, the gap to Avatar is just too big.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 10, 2018, 12:04:17 PM
I like Black Panther and feel that it's very well done, but I've seen it only once, so I'll have to see it at least once more before I can figure out where I'd rank it among the MCU movies.

At the moment, I think there are several MCU movies I like even more, including Thor: Ragnarok, both Captain America movies, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, and both Avengers movies.

As for the DC movies, I like Wonder Woman the best so far—in fact, I feel it's the only DC movie so far that's been done well. Justice League was okay, a little disappointing.

I'm really looking forward to Infinity War, even though I'm sure at least one hero is going to die, and that's really gonna bum me out, especially if it's Cap or Iron Man.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on April 10, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
I saw Black Panther on it's opening Thursday night showing in IMAX. For the life of me, I can't figure out why its doing so well in the box office. Don't get me wrong, I liked it but there was nothing special about it either. It was a typical Marvel movie, but with basically the characters and setting from the Lion King.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 10, 2018, 12:33:04 PM
I saw Black Panther on it's opening Thursday night showing in IMAX. For the life of me, I can't figure out why its doing so well in the box office. Don't get me wrong, I liked it but there was nothing special about it either. It was a typical Marvel movie, but with basically the characters and setting from the Lion King.

For me, being a Marvel Comics geek, "typical Marvel movie" is a good thing, as I've found all the MCU movies entertaining and enjoyable, but I understand what you're saying—as I mentioned in an earlier comment, I like Black Panther, but I can't say that it's one of my favorites (at least, not after only one viewing of it).

I think its extreme box-office success is due as much to featuring a black superhero as it is to being well made—meaning, a lot of black people are feeling a connection with this character and his world, a lot more than is typical with a Marvel movie, and they're making that known with their dollars.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: indeedproceed on April 10, 2018, 01:42:24 PM
I think its extreme box-office success is due as much to featuring a black superhero as it is to being well made—meaning, a lot of black people are feeling a connection with this character and his world, a lot more than is typical with a Marvel movie, and they're making that known with their dollars.

I don't think that's wrong, but I do think that's assigning too much influence to that narrative alone. White people, lots of while people, are making this movie the 1st or 2nd most successful Marvel movie of all time. I saw it. I really liked it. But I didn't see Thor Ragnorak in movie theaters but I enjoyed it more. Meanwhile Spiderman Homecoming also did better than Thor R. and while I also liked that move quite a bit, I found Thor to be better.

So are black people going to see Black Panther because it is some kind of cultural benchmark (where we also forget that Wesley Snipes played a black superhero from the Marvel universe 20 years ago) having a black super hero and a black cast in a land that celebrates black culture? Sure. Is that the primary motivation to the movie performing better? No way.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 10, 2018, 02:21:50 PM
I think its extreme box-office success is due as much to featuring a black superhero as it is to being well made—meaning, a lot of black people are feeling a connection with this character and his world, a lot more than is typical with a Marvel movie, and they're making that known with their dollars.

I don't think that's wrong, but I do think that's assigning too much influence to that narrative alone. White people, lots of while people, are making this movie the 1st or 2nd most successful Marvel movie of all time. I saw it. I really liked it. But I didn't see Thor Ragnorak in movie theaters but I enjoyed it more. Meanwhile Spiderman Homecoming also did better than Thor R. and while I also liked that move quite a bit, I found Thor to be better.

So are black people going to see Black Panther because it is some kind of cultural benchmark (where we also forget that Wesley Snipes played a black superhero from the Marvel universe 20 years ago) having a black super hero and a black cast in a land that celebrates black culture? Sure. Is that the primary motivation to the movie performing better? No way.

I agree that there are lots of white people seeing Black Panther, because there are a lot of white Marvel nerds (such as myself)—in fact, comic-book nerddom tends to be dominated by whites.

But I think having a movie composed almost entirely of black characters gives it an added value that makes it more of a draw for black audiences than any other Marvel movie to date. Marvel expanded its appeal and its target audience with this movie, and the box-office totals are reflecting that.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Big333223 on April 11, 2018, 10:12:13 AM
Avengers: Infinity War is on track to outsell Black Panther in presale tickets so anticipation is high for that one. It'll have to be good to have the legs that Black Panther had, though.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-infinity-war-beating-black-panther-set-new-presales-record-1101631
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
Avengers: Infinity War is on track to outsell Black Panther in presale tickets so anticipation is high for that one. It'll have to be good to have the legs that Black Panther had, though.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-infinity-war-beating-black-panther-set-new-presales-record-1101631

It will be tough, if only due to increased competition.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on April 11, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
Remember when breaking box office records actually used to mean something?

Now just about any branded junk can do it.

Nowadays I feel kinda like Immortan Joe when I read about this stuff:

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Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2018, 10:25:12 AM
I think its extreme box-office success is due as much to featuring a black superhero as it is to being well made—meaning, a lot of black people are feeling a connection with this character and his world, a lot more than is typical with a Marvel movie, and they're making that known with their dollars.

I don't think that's wrong, but I do think that's assigning too much influence to that narrative alone. White people, lots of while people, are making this movie the 1st or 2nd most successful Marvel movie of all time. I saw it. I really liked it. But I didn't see Thor Ragnorak in movie theaters but I enjoyed it more. Meanwhile Spiderman Homecoming also did better than Thor R. and while I also liked that move quite a bit, I found Thor to be better.

So are black people going to see Black Panther because it is some kind of cultural benchmark (where we also forget that Wesley Snipes played a black superhero from the Marvel universe 20 years ago) having a black super hero and a black cast in a land that celebrates black culture? Sure. Is that the primary motivation to the movie performing better? No way.

I agree that there are lots of white people seeing Black Panther, because there are a lot of white Marvel nerds (such as myself)—in fact, comic-book nerddom tends to be dominated by whites.

But I think having a movie composed almost entirely of black characters gives it an added value that makes it more of a draw for black audiences than any other Marvel movie to date. Marvel expanded its appeal and its target audience with this movie, and the box-office totals are reflecting that.

I think that’s right.

I also think that Black Panther is just a really tight, well-composed, good movie. It took on a cultural significance, but if it had sucked (like a Wrinkle In Time) nobody would be going to repeat showings.

I know that for me, I liked it more than any Marvel movie since Captain America 2 (or maybe GOTG). I’ve thought almost all of them were good, with only Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 being outright misses for me. For whatever reason, though, certain movies resonate more than others, and Black Panther was supremely entertaining to me.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 11, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
Remember when breaking box office records actually used to mean something?

Now just about any branded junk can do it.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/11ykkX2E3jOkXC/giphy.gif)

Ha. I didn’t enjoy that Mad Max film much at all. My friends and most critics seem to think I’m crazy.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: nickagneta on April 11, 2018, 12:21:17 PM
Avengers: Infinity War is on track to outsell Black Panther in presale tickets so anticipation is high for that one. It'll have to be good to have the legs that Black Panther had, though.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-infinity-war-beating-black-panther-set-new-presales-record-1101631

It will be tough, if only due to increased competition.
The Solo Star Wars movie comes out 3 weeks after Infinity Wars which will probably cut into Infinity Wars ability to earn really well for very long at the box office. Though, I guess most blockbusters do like 70% of their earnings in the first 3 weeks, so we will see.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on April 25, 2018, 01:47:52 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 25, 2018, 01:54:54 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 25, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I think I'm more stoked about Infinity War than I've been about any other MCU movie, so much so that I've actually considered going during opening weekend (I normally wait a couple of weeks to see movies in the theater, since I can't stand crowds or loud teeny-boppers; am I old? maybe ;D ).
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: nickagneta on April 25, 2018, 01:58:58 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.
Venom is a Sony picture so unfortunately, I am not sure its going to crossover to any of the new Spidey movies Marvel is doing, which I think sucks too. The Spidey, Venom, Carnage storyline is so great, wish it could come true.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 25, 2018, 02:27:21 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.
Venom is a Sony picture so unfortunately, I am not sure its going to crossover to any of the new Spidey movies Marvel is doing, which I think sucks too. The Spidey, Venom, Carnage storyline is so great, wish it could come true.

I wish all the non-Marvel studios would just realize they can't do these movies as well as Marvel and stop making them. I know this won't happen, because of money, but a comic nerd can dream.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on April 25, 2018, 04:59:26 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.
Venom is a Sony picture so unfortunately, I am not sure its going to crossover to any of the new Spidey movies Marvel is doing, which I think sucks too. The Spidey, Venom, Carnage storyline is so great, wish it could come true.

I wish all the non-Marvel studios would just realize they can't do these movies as well as Marvel and stop making them. I know this won't happen, because of money, but a comic nerd can dream.

I know I'm on an island, but I honestly believe the DCEU movies have been clearly better than the MCU. I even prefer The Amazing Spider-Man to the MCU version. I like how the DCEU movies are connected with each other, and coincidently I would have preferred Zach Snyder to still be on board and being the architect of this overall storyline/universe. The DCEU seem to have more connective tissue that ties the movies together, as opposed to the MCU, where the connections seem more superficial. To me, even if you haven't seen half of the MCU movies, it would change nothing about what may happen in Infinite War.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on April 25, 2018, 05:12:26 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.

After seeing both Venom trailers, the thought of Spider-Man not being involved didn't phase me once. I think it may actually make it a better story too, as we just get to see the evolution of Eddie Brock and the symbiote. I think Venom can carry his own movie and doesn't necessarily need Spider-Man.

The whole thing with Sony and the MCU is confusing. I'm under the impression that Sony is letting the MCU borrow Spider-Man for free. It's a partnership where both parties benefit and help each other out. Sony still owns the rights to Spider-Man, so I imagine they could use the him in a future Venom movie, although I don't think they could use Tom Holland to portray the character. Depending on how well the Venom movie is received, maybe Marvel lets Sony borrow the actor in return.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 25, 2018, 05:36:47 PM
It just occurred to me that I won't be able to see game 6 live tomorrow night, as I had purchased tickets back in March to see Avengers Infinity War in IMAX for tomorrow at 7 with my son. However, I should be able to see the end of the game. Really looking forward to seeing the movie, although I'm still more excited to see Venom more especially after seeing that second trailer yesterday.

I’m mixed about Venom, primarily that his origin has been separated from Spider-Man. I’d love to see a movie trilogy involving the black suit, the creation of Venom, and the Carnage story line.
Venom is a Sony picture so unfortunately, I am not sure its going to crossover to any of the new Spidey movies Marvel is doing, which I think sucks too. The Spidey, Venom, Carnage storyline is so great, wish it could come true.

I wish all the non-Marvel studios would just realize they can't do these movies as well as Marvel and stop making them. I know this won't happen, because of money, but a comic nerd can dream.

I know I'm on an island, but I honestly believe the DCEU movies have been clearly better than the MCU. I even prefer The Amazing Spider-Man to the MCU version. I like how the DCEU movies are connected with each other, and coincidently I would have preferred Zach Snyder to still be on board and being the architect of this overall storyline/universe. The DCEU seem to have more connective tissue that ties the movies together, as opposed to the MCU, where the connections seem more superficial. To me, even if you haven't seen half of the MCU movies, it would change nothing about what may happen in Infinite War.

Basically, I'm of the opposite opinion—I feel like the MCU movies have strong and deep connections, particularly the Cap-Stark relationship and their respective personal journeys, the Bucky story arc, and the whole Civil War storyline. I don't think you'd HAVE to see all of the prior MCU movies in order to enjoy Infinity War, but seeing them all would certainly deepen one's understanding of and appreciation for what's happening in Infinity War. As for Spidey, I liked Andrew Garfield's portrayal, but I feel like Tom Holland's is easily the best (didn't really like Tobey Maguire's).

As for the DCEU, I enjoyed Wonder Woman the most and think it's the best one so far. Man of Steel, BvS, and Justice League were okay for me, but nothing spectacular.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 25, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
I heard Black Panther was the greatest marvel movie or one of the best.   I went and saw it last night and went into it with an open mind but expecting greatness.  It was good and entertaining but it was over rated and I thought a tad slow movie for the first 55 minutes.   I also thought it was predictable.   I think Guardians of the Galaxy  1 and few other of the movies was better.   

I am going to call my friends on this one, too.  I still like Black Panther and I love Chad Bowman.  I thought Dani Gurira was incredible.  Everyone hyped up Michael B. Jordan but I was not impressed.  I would have liked to seen more of Winston Duke.  My son thought the same it was a good movie but all the hype we heard was nuts.

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I wish all the non-Marvel studios would just realize they can't do these movies as well as Marvel and stop making them. I know this won't happen, because of money, but a comic nerd can dream.
The non-Marvel movies of the Marvel Universe are subpar in my opinion, i agree. 

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I know I'm on an island, but I honestly believe the DCEU movies have been clearly better than the MCU

I think the island statement is apt, for expressing that you're in the minority.   I think the DCEU movies are not as bad as people say.   I have liked them all but the Marvel Movies are better, perform better fiscally.   That being said, I do think some of the fan boys are over harsh on the DCEU movies.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 25, 2018, 07:18:05 PM
I heard Black Panther was the greatest marvel movie or one of the best.   I went and saw it last night and went into it with an open mind but expecting greatness.  It was good and entertaining but it was over rated and I thought a tad slow movie for the first 55 minutes.   I also thought it was predictable.   I think Guardians of the Galaxy  1 and few other of the movies was better.   

I am going to call my friends on this one, too.  I still like Black Panther and I love Chad Bowman.  I thought Dani Gurira was incredible.  Everyone hyped up Michael B. Jordan but I was not impressed.  I would have liked to seen more of Winston Duke.  My son thought the same it was a good movie but all the hype we heard was nuts.

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I wish all the non-Marvel studios would just realize they can't do these movies as well as Marvel and stop making them. I know this won't happen, because of money, but a comic nerd can dream.
The non-Marvel movies of the Marvel Universe are subpar in my opinion, i agree. 

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I know I'm on an island, but I honestly believe the DCEU movies have been clearly better than the MCU

I think the island statement is apt, for expressing that you're in the minority.   I think the DCEU movies are not as bad as people say.   I have liked them all but the Marvel Movies are better, perform better fiscally.   That being said, I do think some of the fan boys are over harsh on the DCEU movies.

I also feel that Black Panther was good not great, and that there are several better MCU movies, especially Guardians Vol. 1, all three Captain Americas, and Thor: Ragnarok. I may have said this already in this thread, but I think a big part of Black Panther being labelled by some "the best MCU movie" is its social value—its mostly black cast and positive portrayal of African culture. All of which is great, but for me, when I consider the question of which movies are "best" (MCU or otherwise), I generally look at entertainment value and the quality of the storytelling, not social commentary. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: CF033 on April 25, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
I loved Black Panther, it's one of my favorite Marvel movies to date. I'd say that Black Panther, Days of Future Past and the first Avengers are my top Marvel movies.

I'm in the minority but I'm not a Guardians fan, too corny for my tastes - the second one was ok but the first I could have skipped. Not a big Chris Pratt fan either. Wasn't crazy about Thor: Ragnarok either, too much comedy so I didn't really feel invested in anything that was going on. Jeff Goldblum was entertaining though.

I would classify Guardians and Ragnarok as comedies first, action movies second.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on April 25, 2018, 08:49:08 PM
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Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on April 25, 2018, 08:54:42 PM
My wife and son saw Black Panther and loved it.

Evidently there were viewers there in African garb.

As for Social Commentary? Some can take it or leave it, but for a sometimes lesser known Marvel Hero to have a successful run at the Box Office AND FINALLY portray African culture in a positive, heroic light is HUGE.

Here's hoping that the Green Lantern movie has John Stewart in it (as well as Hal Jordan).

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a5/cd/b0/a5cdb0c90ebfcc0e03377d2fd9062ab4.jpg)

Architect. MARINE. Superhero.

I'd also love for DC to step out of the box and produce a movie featuring Icon.

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8190/477213-sdcc08_jla_vs_icon_02.jpg)

He (and his close friend Rocket) shared a special  bond in the comics.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on April 25, 2018, 09:09:48 PM
DC Animation is the best..


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/Batman-ninja---blu-ray-cover-1518549457339_1280w.jpg)

great story and animation



Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gouki88 on April 25, 2018, 09:23:47 PM
DC Animation is the best..


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/Batman-ninja---blu-ray-cover-1518549457339_1280w.jpg)

great story and animation
The people working on this was like an anime all-star team. Still haven’t gotten around to watching it, but looking forward to it
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 27, 2018, 04:07:02 PM
Infinity War was really good. It is definitely a spectacle, and for all the moving parts, they weave it together really well.

It’s very much a “part one”; I’m anxious to see what comes next.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 27, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
Infinity War was really good. It is definitely a spectacle, and for all the moving parts, they weave it together really well.

It’s very much a “part one”; I’m anxious to see what comes next.

Did you see it in IMAX? I think my brother-in-law and I are going to see it in IMAX Monday night, when the crowds are small.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 27, 2018, 04:48:29 PM
Infinity War was really good. It is definitely a spectacle, and for all the moving parts, they weave it together really well.

It’s very much a “part one”; I’m anxious to see what comes next.

Did you see it in IMAX? I think my brother-in-law and I are going to see it in IMAX Monday night, when the crowds are small.

Sadly there isn’t an IMAX within about 150 miles of me, but I can imagine that it will be awesome.

As for small crowds... It’s the second man vie in a row where I was asked to movie over so that people could sit together *after the movie started*. I know it’s petty, and I accommodated them both times, but for the record: if you care about your seat, show up on time!
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on April 27, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
I saw Infinity War in IMAX 3D. The 3D was very good and well worth seeing in IMAX. I thought the movie was very good, but not great. I'm not a fan of how the Russo brothers direct action scenes. Also, for as much as the movie was desperately trying to make an emotional mark at times, it just felt hollow and meaningless to me.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on December 08, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
https://youtu.be/sfM7_JLk-84

Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: manl_lui on December 08, 2019, 08:50:06 PM
https://youtu.be/sfM7_JLk-84

Looking forward to this.

me too, I think Gal Gadot nailed the wonder woman role
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on December 08, 2019, 10:19:31 PM
https://youtu.be/sfM7_JLk-84

Looking forward to this.

me too, I think Gal Gadot nailed the wonder woman role
I think she's great in the role but I was hoping to see more of Kristen Wiig's character.  surprised they showed Steve Trevor -- would have been a helluva surprise in the theater
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: bopna on December 08, 2019, 11:58:26 PM
https://youtu.be/sfM7_JLk-84

Looking forward to this.

me too, I think Gal Gadot nailed the wonder woman role
I think she's great in the role but I was hoping to see more of Kristen Wiig's character.  surprised they showed Steve Trevor -- would have been a helluva surprise in the theater

It's already been well known Steve will be back anyways so they didn't bother with the suspense.. They did keep fans guessing though how on earth Steve was alive and practically not aged since WW1.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on December 09, 2019, 09:18:15 AM
https://youtu.be/sfM7_JLk-84

Looking forward to this.

me too, I think Gal Gadot nailed the wonder woman role
I think she's great in the role but I was hoping to see more of Kristen Wiig's character.  surprised they showed Steve Trevor -- would have been a helluva surprise in the theater

It's already been well known Steve will be back anyways so they didn't bother with the suspense.. They did keep fans guessing though how on earth Steve was alive and practically not aged since WW1.
I must live under a rock because I had no idea he was coming back.  bet the blast knocked him into some sort of time warp propelling him to the future.  ::)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on December 28, 2020, 07:03:52 PM
I was disappointed by WW84.  It wasn’t terrible, but it was too long, and certain plot points seemed overly convenient and unearned.

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on December 28, 2020, 07:19:57 PM
I was disappointed by WW84.  It wasn’t terrible, but it was too long, and certain plot points seemed overly convenient and unearned.
I agree!! Very disappointed is a understatement..way it started out, I thought it was going to be great but that was it.. I almost turn it off..mostly it was about Maxwell Lord character..
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on December 28, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
 This movie was more ridiculous than Catwoman. I love BVS UE and MOS. I’m not a big superhero movie guy but I thought they were really well told dramas with action in them. That’s just more my thing. Wonder Woman I felt was this way as well so I dug it.
  I like some of the marvel movies like the first Iron Man and I see the appeal . From what I’ve seen Marvel I feel is like Jerry Bruvkheimwr movies like The rock, crimson tide.. maybe not as good but that same tone and it’s kind of the same formula but they obviously do a great job with the majority of moviegoers really enjoying them. More pirates of the Caribbean swashbuckling humor  thing.
  WW84 tried to take on that tone and maybe they did it duccesssfully, I have t seen enough Marvel flicks to know. But I can’t imagine many movies have such a weird incoherent story. Sooo many things that made zero sense. I honestly found it really confusing. I was stuck thinking “ what is this guy suppose to be?” I don’t get it?” There was seriously screwed up immoral things going on from the heroes too that I know it couldn’t have been intentional but it is soooo cringey. I was shocked they made this. Does anyone know what I mean by really not appropriate part?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 28, 2020, 07:37:24 PM
I was disappointed by WW84.  It wasn’t terrible, but it was too long, and certain plot points seemed overly convenient and unearned.
I agree!! Very disappointed is a understatement..way it started out, I thought it was going to be great but that was it.. I almost turn it off..mostly it was about Maxwell Lord character..
Major disappointment considering how good Wonder Woman was.  Personally I didn't even like the start.  3 days later and there is nothing memorable from it. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on December 28, 2020, 07:49:11 PM
Felt both WW movies were okay but feature lackluster endings. I feel it definitely made more for younger audience, feel children would like all the messages and less finalities sort of speak. At certain points it did lack little sense but don't feel kids would care. Good movie considering how little is available in 2020
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on December 28, 2020, 07:50:06 PM
I was disappointed by WW84.  It wasn’t terrible, but it was too long, and certain plot points seemed overly convenient and unearned.
I agree!! Very disappointed is a understatement..way it started out, I thought it was going to be great but that was it.. I almost turn it off..mostly it was about Maxwell Lord character..
Major disappointment considering how good Wonder Woman was.  Personally I didn't even like the start.  3 days later and there is nothing memorable from it.

I liked the flashback in the first three minutes.  It was kind of like the Phantom Menace’s pod race:  good spectacle only tangentially related to the rest of the movie.

This script never should have been approved.  The acting was good, the direction seemed fine for what there was to work with, but it just wasn’t a compelling story.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on December 28, 2020, 07:53:41 PM
thought WW84 was a bit disappointing.  the Max Lord character/storyline/conclusion was not particularly engrossing or well done IMHO.  They would have been better off reducing the length and focussing more on Cheetah/Kristen Wiig who I found to be much better than expected in that role.  the final resolution was just nonsense.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 06, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
Anybody watched Suicide Squad yet?

With James Gunn directing, I had high expectations.  After seeing reviews (90+% positive on Rotten Tomatoes) I expected even more.

I was disappointed.  The opening was good, and King Shark was effective.  I thought the rest was fairly boring.  Yes, there’s gore and heavy profanity, but it didn’t seem to have much soul or purpose to me.

Thanks
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: boscel33 on August 06, 2021, 01:29:50 PM
Watched The Losers for the first time last weekend.  Wasn't half bad and if it had been marketed a bit more, might had set itself up for a nice franchise run of a couple of movies.  I think Jeffrey Dean Morgan is a talent you just don't hear much about.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Redz on August 06, 2021, 02:49:29 PM
Not sure what came over me, but I've been watching Netflix's reboot of the Masters of the Universe series.  I was kind of sentimental when I saw it advertised.  I have to say, it's pretty decent and true to spirit of the whole thing, with a bit more polish and modernized spin.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on August 06, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Anybody watched Suicide Squad yet?

With James Gunn directing, I had high expectations.  After seeing reviews (90+% positive on Rotten Tomatoes) I expected even more.

I was disappointed.  The opening was good, and King Shark was effective.  I thought the rest was fairly boring.  Yes, there’s gore and heavy profanity, but it didn’t seem to have much soul or purpose to me.

Thanks

I saw it last night in IMAX, and loved it. I'm watching it again tonight on HBO Max.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on August 06, 2021, 04:33:34 PM
Like both He-Man & New Suicide Squad..didn’t love it but it was good
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 08, 2021, 12:51:03 AM
I enjoyed this Suicide Squad a lot more than the prior one.  I do like the portrayal of Harley through all the movies (yes even Birds of Prey).  Glad to see Starro make the big screen.  I also liked all of the stars that had small roles in the movie.  That was pretty fun.  The cameo by Pom Klementieff was a nice touch tying Gunn's other big franchise into this one.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Kiorrik on August 08, 2021, 01:25:13 AM
I enjoyed this Suicide Squad a lot more than the prior one.  I do like the portrayal of Harley through all the movies (yes even Birds of Prey).  Glad to see Starro make the big screen.  I also liked all of the stars that had small roles in the movie.  That was pretty fun.  The cameo by Pom Klementieff was a nice touch tying Gunn's other big franchise into this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDclQowcE9I

^ SUPERB video about why the editing in the original Suicide Squad is so terrible.

Explains it ridiculously well.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: ozgod on August 08, 2021, 03:50:27 AM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 08, 2021, 04:18:44 AM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?

Nope.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 08, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?

Nope.
Yeah Black Widow is set earlier in time, though does start setting up a villain for later movies.  And I don't think it matters at all which order you watch the 3 Marvel shows on Disney + as nothing happens in any that relates to the others (they all set up various movie points going forward though).
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 08, 2021, 12:39:51 PM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?

Nope.
Yeah Black Widow is set earlier in time, though does start setting up a villain for later movies.  And I don't think it matters at all which order you watch the 3 Marvel shows on Disney + as nothing happens in any that relates to the others (they all set up various movie points going forward though).

What was your opinion of the three?  I liked Loki and WandaVision a lot, although the latter might turn some folks off.  I thought the production of Falcon / Winter Soldier was lesser.  It still wasn’t terrible and had some high points, but I saw it closer to Agents of Shield than I did “prestige television”.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on August 08, 2021, 01:56:52 PM
Like WandaVision & Falcon but didn’t like Loki..boring
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Kiorrik on August 08, 2021, 06:50:55 PM
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier series was weird. Just all-round weird.

They had to gut the series. The main plotline was originally that the Flagsmashers were trying to infect and kill half the world. It's why the final scene suddenly has that gas outta nowhere. They obviously cut it out due to Covid. Wish they'd let it in. Especially due to Covid.

It had a couple good moments, I thought. But in general suffered from generic/boring villains, and perhaps they could've played around more with the whole ambiguity around US Agent.

I think Wandavision could've been better if they'd leaned in to the premise more. Art direction was okay, would've been perfect if they'd mimicked the time-periods better - everything being 4k quality nowadays drops a lot of the "feel" of the oldschool series. They could've artificially dropped the quality to make that look far more period-accurate, which I think would've contributed greatly to it. Apart from that, I would've liked to see less (none) of the real world in between the Wandavision episodes, and more "glitches" and weird stuff happening during the TV episodes.

I think my main dig against most of these series is that they're just not on the same budget as the movies. Which is kind of a dumb issue, since that's just 99% expectation management on my side.

I think I wanted it to be more weird and creepy. More ... Hitchcock/King. More Outer Limits.

However, I thought Loki was really good. Could've been slightly more clever, but overall really well acted as well as having some real, real cool character development. Going into the series I wasn't a huge fan of Tom Hiddleston but I'm getting on board now. Also, I really loved the implications of the final episode, once it was all wrapped up.

Loki, as a setup/lead-in to the movies is kinda superb. Hope the baddie ends up dictating all of Phase 4. He's not only potentially Thanos levels of cool; he's also got potentially by far the most story development of all time.

That's also the part I want to see leveraged even more. The fact that "it all ties together". Allows for some insane set-up and pay-off stuff.

Black Widow was the most mediocre/forgettable movie I've seen in the MCU since probably the original Antman, only Antman at least was the first time meeting that character. Black Widow was just throw-away. Did dig her sister. She was kinda cool.

As for the future:
 - HELLA keen for Moon Knight, love Oscar Isaac as the main lad (Moon Knight the character is kinda a mix between Deadpool and Batman)
 - Ironheart (Riri Williams!) has a lot to live up to, sort of 'taking the torch' from Robert Downey Jr
 - She-Hulk is kinda a blank sheet for me, not expecting anything, feels a bit Iron-Fist-ey (probs gonna be mediocre)
 - Thor: Love & Thunder might be fun, kinda keen to see what kinda vibe it'll have, how weird it'll get
 - I love Benedict, am keen to see what the new Dr Strange will bring. Hope it gets WEIRD

The other announced stuff falls into two camps for me;
 - Movies with all new casts that have the potential to be fun, but are unknowns atm
 - Movies with known characters where I'm expecting "more of the same", which doesn't interest me too much
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 08, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
Quote
- I love Benedict, am keen to see what the new Dr Strange will bring. Hope it gets WEIRD

It be plenty WEIRD from what I read.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Kiorrik on August 08, 2021, 06:58:28 PM
Quote
- I love Benedict, am keen to see what the new Dr Strange will bring. Hope it gets WEIRD

It be plenty WEIRD from what I read.

Good. I didn't mention it but I'm stoked about the multi-dimensional stuff they can pull.

There's nothing cooler than seeing 20 different versions of main characters.

(did a bunch of edits to my original post btw :D)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 08, 2021, 08:19:57 PM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?

Nope.
Yeah Black Widow is set earlier in time, though does start setting up a villain for later movies.  And I don't think it matters at all which order you watch the 3 Marvel shows on Disney + as nothing happens in any that relates to the others (they all set up various movie points going forward though).

What was your opinion of the three?  I liked Loki and WandaVision a lot, although the latter might turn some folks off.  I thought the production of Falcon / Winter Soldier was lesser.  It still wasn’t terrible and had some high points, but I saw it closer to Agents of Shield than I did “prestige television”.
WandaVision, Loki, then Falcon/Winter Soldier.  I really loved WandaVision once I got past the first few episodes which were just weird.  The back half of the show was fantastic and some of the best tv I've seen in a while period.  Loki had nice solid pacing and was well done all the way throughout.  I liked Sam and Bucky's banter, but thought the action stuff was a bit much.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Redz on August 08, 2021, 10:24:22 PM
Watched Suicide Squad last night.  I enjoyed it.  It was pretty much a Guardians of the Galaxy type thing but on earth. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on August 08, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Watched Suicide Squad last night.  I enjoyed it.  It was pretty much a Guardians of the Galaxy type thing but on earth.

Hopefully that means better than the first one, which sucked massively.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 09, 2021, 08:22:49 AM
I am old enough to remember Superhero movies like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l06G0BYBOg

So grateful for modern special effects and superhero movies they sure as heck beat a guy crawling on the floor to look like a wall
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: RJD1974 on August 09, 2021, 08:33:14 AM
- She-Hulk is kinda a blank sheet for me, not expecting anything, feels a bit Iron-Fist-ey (probs gonna be mediocre)

Don't sleep on She-Hulk. The character itself is certainly third-tier, but the lead writer they brought in is extremely talented and came up in very non-superhero genres, which could make for some interesting quirks. And besides, it's gonna star Tatiana Maslany (she of Orphan Black fame), who is an absolute treasure of a performer.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on August 09, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
Can’t wait for Titians season 3..great, well written show..also What-If should be interesting
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Kiorrik on August 09, 2021, 08:37:04 AM
Watched Suicide Squad last night.  I enjoyed it.  It was pretty much a Guardians of the Galaxy type thing but on earth.

Great description.

I'd like to add that I think I liked every single character in it. Every single one. As opposed to Guardians where I had 1 or 2 characters that I just didn't care as much about.

Imo; best DC movie since the Dark Knight series. Fantastic fun.

Go in expecting nothing, and you'll have a laugh.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Kiorrik on August 09, 2021, 08:37:46 AM
- She-Hulk is kinda a blank sheet for me, not expecting anything, feels a bit Iron-Fist-ey (probs gonna be mediocre)

Don't sleep on She-Hulk. The character itself is certainly third-tier, but the lead writer they brought in is extremely talented and came up in very non-superhero genres, which could make for some interesting quirks. And besides, it's gonna star Tatiana Maslany (she of Orphan Black fame), who is an absolute treasure of a performer.

Excellent. I'll leave it as a series I'm not expecting anything from so it can impress me more ;)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: RJ87 on August 09, 2021, 10:08:56 AM
- She-Hulk is kinda a blank sheet for me, not expecting anything, feels a bit Iron-Fist-ey (probs gonna be mediocre)

Don't sleep on She-Hulk. The character itself is certainly third-tier, but the lead writer they brought in is extremely talented and came up in very non-superhero genres, which could make for some interesting quirks. And besides, it's gonna star Tatiana Maslany (she of Orphan Black fame), who is an absolute treasure of a performer.

Yeah, that's some brilliant casting. Not sure what to expect of the writing, but I'm excited to see her in the role.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: ozgod on August 09, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
Question for those of you who follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I'm up to date up to Avengers Endgame (I guess end of Phase 3?). Apparently the next series/films I need to watch in chronological order are:

WandaVision
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Loki

Then the first film in the Phase 4 which is Black Widow. Question is, if I go straight to Black Widow and miss the 3 TV series will I ruin the viewing experience for myself or miss out on key details of the plot?

Nope.

Thanks, TP to you and Moranis! I've been wanting to watch Black Widow, didn't want to be befuddled by anything I missed with the TV shows (which I will eventually catch up to)
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on August 09, 2021, 01:17:20 PM
  I adore BVS UE and MOS. Wonder Woman 3/4 of I thought was very good before the studio messed it up. I’d love to see David Ayer’s Suicide Squad movie. I just don’t enjoy the silliness snd jokes in this genre. So I take to the Snyder movies. I dint envoy the other DC snd Marvel ones so far. Just hum drum stuff for me . Like a little more serious drama over a kind of swashbuckling one or a campy type.
   I flicked on the new Suicide Squad one hit found myself fast forwarding. Just too silly for me.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on August 24, 2021, 12:33:25 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on August 24, 2021, 12:34:23 PM
yeah that Spiderman looked awesome when I watched the trailer last night.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gouki88 on August 24, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
I loved Raimi's Doc Oc (and Green Goblin). Love to see at least one make a return
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on August 24, 2021, 06:04:24 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
I loved Raimi's Doc Oc (and Green Goblin). Love to see at least one make a return
If all the Raimi villains rumored show up they better not skip the best villain so far .....  Bully Maguire ftw
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gouki88 on August 24, 2021, 06:06:28 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
I loved Raimi's Doc Oc (and Green Goblin). Love to see at least one make a return
If all the Raimi villains rumored show up they better not skip the best villain so far .....  Bully Maguire ftw
LOL, TP.

I would love that more than anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6GeCELffk
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on August 24, 2021, 06:12:56 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
I loved Raimi's Doc Oc (and Green Goblin). Love to see at least one make a return
If all the Raimi villains rumored show up they better not skip the best villain so far .....  Bully Maguire ftw
LOL, TP.

I would love that more than anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh6GeCELffk
That meme/troll version on the net (where he dominants anyone and everything) would be hilarious. Make him straight boss.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Big333223 on August 31, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gift on August 31, 2021, 03:01:15 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.

I have trouble keeping up with what's going on with the Marvel movies, but I watched this trailer with no prior knowledge and the Alfred Molina Doc Ock (and that was Willem Dafoe's voice, right?) got me big time. Just watched the Raimi films with my kids like month ago so they'll be excited for this too.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gouki88 on August 31, 2021, 05:42:14 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.

I have trouble keeping up with what's going on with the Marvel movies, but I watched this trailer with no prior knowledge and the Alfred Molina Doc Ock (and that was Willem Dafoe's voice, right?) got me big time. Just watched the Raimi films with my kids like month ago so they'll be excited for this too.
It was indeed those villains from the Raimi films. We will also be getting an appearance from prior Spider-Men
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 07, 2021, 07:50:38 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.

I have trouble keeping up with what's going on with the Marvel movies, but I watched this trailer with no prior knowledge and the Alfred Molina Doc Ock (and that was Willem Dafoe's voice, right?) got me big time. Just watched the Raimi films with my kids like month ago so they'll be excited for this too.
It was indeed those villains from the Raimi films. We will also be getting an appearance from prior Spider-Men
Someone going to let Tobey Maguire out of movie jail?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on September 07, 2021, 08:18:33 AM
  I liked Shang-Chi. It don’t generally like comic book movies . I liked the Snyder ones because they were very different. But wow, did that make people legit mad and / or nasty. I had dorks in two separate occasions coming out of a Dunkin donuts make fun of a tee shirt I was wearing to support the release of “ the Snyder cut”. Strangers. Weirdos. It reminded me a lot of Red Sox fans who loved making fun of the Celts for years . No sense at all. Don’t get it.
 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on September 07, 2021, 08:25:02 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.

I have trouble keeping up with what's going on with the Marvel movies, but I watched this trailer with no prior knowledge and the Alfred Molina Doc Ock (and that was Willem Dafoe's voice, right?) got me big time. Just watched the Raimi films with my kids like month ago so they'll be excited for this too.
It was indeed those villains from the Raimi films. We will also be getting an appearance from prior Spider-Men
Someone going to let Tobey Maguire out of movie jail?
That is one of the things that has so much speculation.  There are rumors that both Maguire and Garfield are in it because their villains are (Jamie Foxx is back as Electro from the Garfield movies, along with Molina and supposedly Dafoe from the Maguire ones).  I would imagine there will be a bunch of surprises and all sorts of appearances (perhaps all the aunt may's, MJ's, stacy's, etc.), wouldn't shock me if they had Miles Morales make an appearance as well (the Spiderman from the animated movies making a live action appearance).   

There are so many ways they could take a multiverse story, I just can't wait for this movie. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: gift on September 07, 2021, 10:05:06 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrgEXcbvds

Please let this one live up to its potential.
Pretty bold. Could be a lot of fun. Anyone in their 30's right now who watched those Raimi Spider-man movies (like me) is probably feeling a little more excited than they/I want to admit.

I have trouble keeping up with what's going on with the Marvel movies, but I watched this trailer with no prior knowledge and the Alfred Molina Doc Ock (and that was Willem Dafoe's voice, right?) got me big time. Just watched the Raimi films with my kids like month ago so they'll be excited for this too.
It was indeed those villains from the Raimi films. We will also be getting an appearance from prior Spider-Men
Someone going to let Tobey Maguire out of movie jail?
That is one of the things that has so much speculation.  There are rumors that both Maguire and Garfield are in it because their villains are (Jamie Foxx is back as Electro from the Garfield movies, along with Molina and supposedly Dafoe from the Maguire ones).  I would imagine there will be a bunch of surprises and all sorts of appearances (perhaps all the aunt may's, MJ's, stacy's, etc.), wouldn't shock me if they had Miles Morales make an appearance as well (the Spiderman from the animated movies making a live action appearance).   

There are so many ways they could take a multiverse story, I just can't wait for this movie.

I really liked Into the Spider-verse. This would essentially be the same idea with Miles coming into the Tom Holland universe I guess.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on November 11, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Saw "Wakanda Forever" last night.

I loved Namor, they really captured his grumpiness quite well.

The action scenes were tight, the cinematography beautiful,  and the soundtrack was excellent.

But this movie is SLOW, way too many extraneous scenes that bog down the pace. And the main character, Shuri, has an unsatisfying arc. We are told that she's full of grief and rage but it doesn't feel earned. She's a bit wooden here, and doesn't deliver the emotional punch the movie needed.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on November 11, 2022, 04:31:51 PM
Saw "Wakanda Forever" last night.

I loved Namor, they really captured his grumpiness quite well.

The action scenes were tight, the cinematography beautiful,  and the soundtrack was excellent.

But this movie is SLOW, way too many extraneous scenes that bog down the pace. And the main character, Shuri, has an unsatisfying arc. We are told that she's full of grief and rage but it doesn't feel earned. She's a bit wooden here, and doesn't deliver the emotional punch the movie needed.

I think this is a fair assessment.  It’s a long movie that easily could have been edited down.  I think that ideally they would have turned the first 100 minutes or so into a bridge series on Disney+, and then expanded on the rest of it into Black Panther 2.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on November 11, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
Saw "Wakanda Forever" last night.

I loved Namor, they really captured his grumpiness quite well.

The action scenes were tight, the cinematography beautiful,  and the soundtrack was excellent.

But this movie is SLOW, way too many extraneous scenes that bog down the pace. And the main character, Shuri, has an unsatisfying arc. We are told that she's full of grief and rage but it doesn't feel earned. She's a bit wooden here, and doesn't deliver the emotional punch the movie needed.

I think this is a fair assessment.  It’s a long movie that easily could have been edited down.  I think that ideally they would have turned the first 100 minutes or so into a bridge series on Disney+, and then expanded on the rest of it into Black Panther 2.

Yeah, my friends and I were discussing it last night abd thought it would have made a fine Disney+ series.

Coogler pretty clearly wanted to flesh out the story, and understandably so, but it came at the expense of a more energetic pace.

Lately I'm finding myself more satisfied with the longer-form stories we've been seeing in the various streaming/TV series than in the movies. 2 hours just isn't enough time to do these stories justice.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on November 14, 2022, 12:48:00 PM
I saw Black Panther: Wakander Forever on Saturday, and was massively disappointed. Easily in my bottom 5 of the MCU. I will add this with The Eternals as the only MCU movies that I will not buy on blu ray/4K. If you have Disney+ already, I would suggest waiting until it hits streaming.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: slamtheking on November 14, 2022, 01:13:37 PM
saw Black Adam last weekend.  wasn't bad.   didn't think it was as bad as the critics made it out to be although there was an overkill of Rock glaring in various scenes.   my wife was totally thrown with the whole Shazam thing so that took away from her ability to just get into the story as it was presented
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on November 14, 2022, 01:26:59 PM
saw Black Adam last weekend.  wasn't bad.   didn't think it was as bad as the critics made it out to be although there was an overkill of Rock glaring in various scenes.   my wife was totally thrown with the whole Shazam thing so that took away from her ability to just get into the story as it was presented

I had a blast watching Black Adam, and can't wait to get it on 4K.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Birdman on November 14, 2022, 02:30:56 PM
Anyone watched New Black Panther movie yet? How was it?
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 14, 2022, 06:09:47 PM
Anyone watched New Black Panther movie yet? How was it?
Felt it was better than the first movie. A good villain, a hero arc, and world building makes it a good watch. Namor was somewhere between Thanos and Killmonger solid performance. Half the cast were absolutely superb. Some say it's long but it had to tell a lot of stories. Only a few things story and acting wise bothered me but I'd overlook them due to the quality as a whole.

4 out of 5 movie.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: chicagoceltic on November 14, 2022, 06:28:38 PM
Anyone watched New Black Panther movie yet? How was it?
Felt it was better than the first movie. A good villain, a hero arc, and world building makes it a good watch. Namor was somewhere between Thanos and Killmonger solid performance. Half the cast were absolutely superb. Some say it's long but it had to tell a lot of stories. Only a few things story and acting wise bothered me but I'd overlook them due to the quality as a whole.

4 out of 5 movie.
I don't know that I would say it was better than the first movie but I pretty much agree with the rest of your thoughts.

I get why people say it was a bit long and that many parts could have been a Disney+ show and that but really that was just not an option. This was always going to be a sequel and with the untimely passing of Chadwick Boseman they had a lot to try to accomplish in one movie.

I will add that I thought they did a great job honoring Chadwick Boseman from the opening Marvel credits to the scene where Shuri flashed back to memories of him. It was really well done.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on November 14, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
Anyone watched New Black Panther movie yet? How was it?
Felt it was better than the first movie. A good villain, a hero arc, and world building makes it a good watch. Namor was somewhere between Thanos and Killmonger solid performance. Half the cast were absolutely superb. Some say it's long but it had to tell a lot of stories. Only a few things story and acting wise bothered me but I'd overlook them due to the quality as a whole.

4 out of 5 movie.

What did you find lacking about the original?  The first Black Panther was easily one of my favorite Marvel movies.  As noted above, I thought there was a lot of good stuff in the sequel, but I didn’t think it worked well as a self-contained movie arc.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 17, 2022, 04:38:20 AM
Anyone watched New Black Panther movie yet? How was it?
Felt it was better than the first movie. A good villain, a hero arc, and world building makes it a good watch. Namor was somewhere between Thanos and Killmonger solid performance. Half the cast were absolutely superb. Some say it's long but it had to tell a lot of stories. Only a few things story and acting wise bothered me but I'd overlook them due to the quality as a whole.

4 out of 5 movie.

What did you find lacking about the original?  The first Black Panther was easily one of my favorite Marvel movies.  As noted above, I thought there was a lot of good stuff in the sequel, but I didn’t think it worked well as a self-contained movie arc.
The original was too "Marvel formula" and villain was a replica power wise to the hero which I hate in superhero movies. Never felt there was ever jeopardy either in the first movie. The mini civil war was weak principal wise as it wasn't built up enough to believe. Killmonger was performed well and had a ideology that challenges the hero which is the best plus.

This sequel I didn't know who would fall or how things would end. You are right on self contained arc. This is a part in a series and includes a lot of things setup for future projects. It's one of the things that kind of hurts things. Yet we know Disney will make more content and wants people to buy into all their past content via +.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on November 17, 2022, 09:34:44 AM
  Have t seen most Marvel but I had a good time with Wakanda Forever . I read bunch of the plot holes and I see it now but didn’t catch on my watch.
  I really liked the bad guy. Liked the effects at how he moved. It reminded me of the clash of the titans remake where Pegasus is moving through the city. Cool stuff.
  But what made me like this more than other Marvel films is just that it took itself serious. That’s just a personal taste for me . It’s not right or wrong. Just what I like.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on November 17, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
  Have t seen most Marvel but I had a good time with Wakanda Forever . I read bunch of the plot holes and I see it now but didn’t catch on my watch.
  I really liked the bad guy. Liked the effects at how he moved. It reminded me of the clash of the titans remake where Pegasus is moving through the city. Cool stuff.
  But what made me like this more than other Marvel films is just that it took itself serious. That’s just a personal taste for me . It’s not right or wrong. Just what I like.

Yeah, Namor is one of the better villains in recent movies. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on November 17, 2022, 11:52:32 AM
  Have t seen most Marvel but I had a good time with Wakanda Forever . I read bunch of the plot holes and I see it now but didn’t catch on my watch.
  I really liked the bad guy. Liked the effects at how he moved. It reminded me of the clash of the titans remake where Pegasus is moving through the city. Cool stuff.
  But what made me like this more than other Marvel films is just that it took itself serious. That’s just a personal taste for me . It’s not right or wrong. Just what I like.

Yeah, Namor is one of the better villains in recent movies.

Namor was the only good thing about the movie. He reminded me of Black Adam, in that he wasn't really a villain and he wasn't a hero either. His motivation was to protect his people, while the people of Wakanda seemed more motivated by protecting the vibranium resource.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 20, 2023, 04:54:13 PM
LOVE DC ANIMATION!!!

This DC movie is not for Kids....


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Better than the movie...Very Violent..!

I'm here to talk about..

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The animation is BOMB(nice)..

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The story is AMAZING....

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This is one of the best DC Anime.

*sippin*

Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on April 20, 2023, 10:06:19 AM
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According to a new rumor, Marvel Studios might have finally made one of the most important casting decisions of The Multiverse Saga. In a Patreon post, Marvel scooper Daniel Richtman claimed that Adam Driver (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) is in final talks to star in the MCU’s Fantastic Four reboot as Reed Richards, aka Mister Fantastic.

I hope this isn't true.  I truly don't understand how Driver keeps getting work.  I think he's wooden, creepy and can't act.  He was terrible as Kylo, and he'd be horrible as Mr. Fantastic.
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Post by: slamtheking on April 20, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
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According to a new rumor, Marvel Studios might have finally made one of the most important casting decisions of The Multiverse Saga. In a Patreon post, Marvel scooper Daniel Richtman claimed that Adam Driver (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) is in final talks to star in the MCU’s Fantastic Four reboot as Reed Richards, aka Mister Fantastic.

I hope this isn't true.  I truly don't understand how Driver keeps getting work.  I think he's wooden, creepy and can't act.  He was terrible as Kylo, and he'd be horrible as Mr. Fantastic.
have to agree that I don't see him as Reed Richards.  Thought John Krasinski would be taking on that role if Marvel got around to making another FF movie
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Post by: Birdman on April 20, 2023, 10:32:59 AM
Driver as Reed Richards is not good..I just don’t see him playing well in that role
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on April 20, 2023, 02:18:04 PM
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According to a new rumor, Marvel Studios might have finally made one of the most important casting decisions of The Multiverse Saga. In a Patreon post, Marvel scooper Daniel Richtman claimed that Adam Driver (Star Wars: The Force Awakens) is in final talks to star in the MCU’s Fantastic Four reboot as Reed Richards, aka Mister Fantastic.

I hope this isn't true.  I truly don't understand how Driver keeps getting work.  I think he's wooden, creepy and can't act.  He was terrible as Kylo, and he'd be horrible as Mr. Fantastic.

  The marvel movies are so studio driven so every movie purposefully had the same “ formula” . I think Driver is really good even though I didn’t like the Star Wars films . I think he’s almost too good for these popcorn films but plenty of A listers have done it already. I cringe at thinking of him quipping through a movie.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on April 20, 2023, 02:20:32 PM
Driver doesn't seem like he'd be a good fit for Reed Richards, but a lot of that will depend on who the other 3 in the movie are.

I'm enjoying the final season of Titans.  2nd half of season has had a couple of episodes drop and I really like their Brother Blood and Mother Mayhem portrayals so far this season.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on April 20, 2023, 02:23:20 PM
Being a big Snyder movie fan I’m bummed out . People got waay to angry at a character being depicted differently. It’s not Luke Skywalker that has one story. There’s a hundred different interpretations.
   I have no interest in the junk marvel keeps rolling out and I have even less excitement for James Gunn. That dude is acting like a child on social media instead of an executive. Highlighting what sone 12 year old nerd criticizes and shooting it down over Twitter. I think he talks for people when he shouldn’t.
   I noticed he got quiet when Affleck spoke up about absolutely not wanting to do what they are doing. But then he’s back to being an online jerk again.
   I think his Superman movie may be fine. It’s a pretty easy thing to make a formulaic superhero movie. Not hard to please mass audiences.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: angryguy77 on April 20, 2023, 04:42:58 PM
Being a big Snyder movie fan I’m bummed out . People got waay to angry at a character being depicted differently. It’s not Luke Skywalker that has one story. There’s a hundred different interpretations.
   I have no interest in the junk marvel keeps rolling out and I have even less excitement for James Gunn. That dude is acting like a child on social media instead of an executive. Highlighting what sone 12 year old nerd criticizes and shooting it down over Twitter. I think he talks for people when he shouldn’t.
   I noticed he got quiet when Affleck spoke up about absolutely not wanting to do what they are doing. But then he’s back to being an online jerk again.
   I think his Superman movie may be fine. It’s a pretty easy thing to make a formulaic superhero movie. Not hard to please mass audiences.

We had something different than the standard cookie cutter CBM. I've lost all interest in DC going forward. Hopefully one day history will show the blame for these snyder movies underperforming were the result of incompetent/greedy studio execs.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on May 07, 2023, 08:38:25 PM
Anybody else seen Guardians 3 yet?

I really enjoyed it.  It doesn't raise the bar for superhero movies, but it's a good mission with some emotional oomph to it. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Muzzy66 on May 08, 2023, 03:07:33 AM
Anybody else seen Guardians 3 yet?

I really enjoyed it.  It doesn't raise the bar for superhero movies, but it's a good mission with some emotional oomph to it.

I saw a bunch of negative floating around about it before watching the movie so I was preparing for the worst...but I also really liked it a lot. 

I'm sure it wasn't the most intelligent movie on the planet, and if you wanted to find things to criticise i'm sure there is plenty there...but at the end of the day i'm a pretty simple person.  My primary judge of a movie is how do I feel throughout the time i'm watching it, and how do I feel after I walk away from it.  Guardians 3 kept my attention drawn for its entire (almost 3 hour) runtime, it made me genuinely laugh out loud, it made me smile at other times, , it hit me in the feels at times, and in the end I walked away with a feeling extremely satisfied with the experience.  That's good enough for me!
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Muzzy66 on May 08, 2023, 03:17:50 AM
Being a big Snyder movie fan I’m bummed out . People got waay to angry at a character being depicted differently. It’s not Luke Skywalker that has one story. There’s a hundred different interpretations.
   I have no interest in the junk marvel keeps rolling out and I have even less excitement for James Gunn. That dude is acting like a child on social media instead of an executive. Highlighting what sone 12 year old nerd criticizes and shooting it down over Twitter. I think he talks for people when he shouldn’t.
   I noticed he got quiet when Affleck spoke up about absolutely not wanting to do what they are doing. But then he’s back to being an online jerk again.
   I think his Superman movie may be fine. It’s a pretty easy thing to make a formulaic superhero movie. Not hard to please mass audiences.

We had something different than the standard cookie cutter CBM. I've lost all interest in DC going forward. Hopefully one day history will show the blame for these snyder movies underperforming were the result of incompetent/greedy studio execs.

I don't know what it is with DC films - I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is, but something about the way they film them makes the movies feel very unnatural and unrealistic to me, and I find it very hard to get immersed in them. 

I know that sounds crazy when were talking about superhero movies, but when I watch the Marvel films a lot of them do manage to really immerse me into the world and into the characters - excessive CGI somtimes kills it a bit, but other then that I find most of them pretty good in that regard.

I think its something about the way the DC films handle the camera movements.  There is always a lot of fast moving, jerking around and its almost like thereis a lack of "weight" and "impact" to scenes.  Like the physics just doesn't add up right.  I really cant explain it but they just dont feel "believable". 

The Nolan Batman movies ands the "Glass" trilogy were kinda exceptions to that rule - they were much more grounded and felt much more real and believable. I felt like they were the best DC films i've seen over the past 2 decades.  Wonder Woman was quite enjoyable as well, though it did have a couple of those "that just looks super fake" moments that I referred to earlier, but it was mostly enjoyable.  Shazam wasn't bad as well, but same deal. 
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 08, 2023, 06:34:29 AM
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I don't know what it is with DC films - I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is, but something about the way they film them makes the movies feel very unnatural and unrealistic to me, and I find it very hard to get immersed in them.

We are talking superhero  movies right?   I mean I love comics, read since mid 70s but realistic is something they are not.

I never read reviews as they detest this genre, why let someone else's opinion which is all a review is, affect weather you like a movie or not.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on May 08, 2023, 06:45:15 AM
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I don't know what it is with DC films - I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is, but something about the way they film them makes the movies feel very unnatural and unrealistic to me, and I find it very hard to get immersed in them.

We are talking superhero  movies right?   I mean I love comics, read since mid 70s but realistic is something they are not.

I never read reviews as they detest this genre, why let someone else's opinion which is all a review is, affect weather you like a movie or not.

I know what he means about DC films, though.  The film style itself seems more washed out and detached than Marvel movies.  They're less personal, and a lot of that is the direction itself.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on May 08, 2023, 08:51:41 AM
My son and I went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and really liked it. I won't get into spoilers, but we were both pleasantly surprised with the opening logo and the characters included. One criticism I have, that is more of an MCU issue, is how they try to hammer a point so much for an emotional payoff, that it becomes obvious what it will ultimately lead to and the payoff doesn't hit home like it should.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: celticinorlando on May 08, 2023, 11:21:01 AM
Saw GotG 3 over the weekend. It was by far the hardest Marvel movie to watch. Not that it was bad...but because of the Rocket storyline. Just really tough to watch.

Overall it was good. Better than the second one IMO.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on May 08, 2023, 11:25:41 AM
Being a big Snyder movie fan I’m bummed out . People got waay to angry at a character being depicted differently. It’s not Luke Skywalker that has one story. There’s a hundred different interpretations.
   I have no interest in the junk marvel keeps rolling out and I have even less excitement for James Gunn. That dude is acting like a child on social media instead of an executive. Highlighting what sone 12 year old nerd criticizes and shooting it down over Twitter. I think he talks for people when he shouldn’t.
   I noticed he got quiet when Affleck spoke up about absolutely not wanting to do what they are doing. But then he’s back to being an online jerk again.
   I think his Superman movie may be fine. It’s a pretty easy thing to make a formulaic superhero movie. Not hard to please mass audiences.

We had something different than the standard cookie cutter CBM. I've lost all interest in DC going forward. Hopefully one day history will show the blame for these snyder movies underperforming were the result of incompetent/greedy studio execs.

I don't know what it is with DC films - I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is, but something about the way they film them makes the movies feel very unnatural and unrealistic to me, and I find it very hard to get immersed in them. 

I know that sounds crazy when were talking about superhero movies, but when I watch the Marvel films a lot of them do manage to really immerse me into the world and into the characters - excessive CGI somtimes kills it a bit, but other then that I find most of them pretty good in that regard.

I think its something about the way the DC films handle the camera movements.  There is always a lot of fast moving, jerking around and its almost like thereis a lack of "weight" and "impact" to scenes.  Like the physics just doesn't add up right.  I really cant explain it but they just dont feel "believable". 

The Nolan Batman movies ands the "Glass" trilogy were kinda exceptions to that rule - they were much more grounded and felt much more real and believable. I felt like they were the best DC films i've seen over the past 2 decades.  Wonder Woman was quite enjoyable as well, though it did have a couple of those "that just looks super fake" moments that I referred to earlier, but it was mostly enjoyable.  Shazam wasn't bad as well, but same deal.

I think DC's best moments are when the screen isn't too busy. Look at Shazam 2. The fight scenes stunk. Just generic CGI clutter. Same with Justice League, Aquaman, Black Adam, Birds of Prey, and the Snyder films.

They try too hard to copy Marvel when they should be blazing their own trails. Let the characters breathe a little bit so that when the action does hit, it hits hard. Marvel is going through some fatigue with their formulaic approach.

DC would be wise to try a different tact. I think Gunn realizes this - Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad were crisp, unique, and good to look at.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: kraidstar on May 08, 2023, 11:33:03 AM
I don't think it's a coincidence that Batman has had so much success in film. The vibe, aesthetics, etc fit the character. Same with the Donner Superman films. And Shazam, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad. Or the Doom Patrol, Watchmen, and Harley Quinn tv series.

When the director really gets the characters,  good things follow. They get into trouble when, for instance, they make Black Adam a toothless antihero with a heart of gold, or when they turn Green Lantern into a drab, earth-based soap opera with a whiny, unlikable Hal Jordan.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 09, 2023, 06:48:04 AM

I know what he means about DC films, though.  The film style itself seems more washed out and detached than Marvel movies.  They're less personal, and a lot of that is the direction itself.
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Some of that is due to the natures of the superheroes themselves.   Superman has Godlike power levels.   Batman has serious mental issues.   Wonder woman is a  part of mythology.    Thor is played for jokes IMHO
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on May 09, 2023, 09:33:56 AM
Being a big Snyder movie fan I’m bummed out . People got waay to angry at a character being depicted differently. It’s not Luke Skywalker that has one story. There’s a hundred different interpretations.
   I have no interest in the junk marvel keeps rolling out and I have even less excitement for James Gunn. That dude is acting like a child on social media instead of an executive. Highlighting what sone 12 year old nerd criticizes and shooting it down over Twitter. I think he talks for people when he shouldn’t.
   I noticed he got quiet when Affleck spoke up about absolutely not wanting to do what they are doing. But then he’s back to being an online jerk again.
   I think his Superman movie may be fine. It’s a pretty easy thing to make a formulaic superhero movie. Not hard to please mass audiences.

We had something different than the standard cookie cutter CBM. I've lost all interest in DC going forward. Hopefully one day history will show the blame for these snyder movies underperforming were the result of incompetent/greedy studio execs.

I don't know what it is with DC films - I can't really put my finger on what exactly it is, but something about the way they film them makes the movies feel very unnatural and unrealistic to me, and I find it very hard to get immersed in them. 

I know that sounds crazy when were talking about superhero movies, but when I watch the Marvel films a lot of them do manage to really immerse me into the world and into the characters - excessive CGI somtimes kills it a bit, but other then that I find most of them pretty good in that regard.

I think its something about the way the DC films handle the camera movements.  There is always a lot of fast moving, jerking around and its almost like thereis a lack of "weight" and "impact" to scenes.  Like the physics just doesn't add up right.  I really cant explain it but they just dont feel "believable". 

The Nolan Batman movies ands the "Glass" trilogy were kinda exceptions to that rule - they were much more grounded and felt much more real and believable. I felt like they were the best DC films i've seen over the past 2 decades.  Wonder Woman was quite enjoyable as well, though it did have a couple of those "that just looks super fake" moments that I referred to earlier, but it was mostly enjoyable.  Shazam wasn't bad as well, but same deal.

I think DC's best moments are when the screen isn't too busy. Look at Shazam 2. The fight scenes stunk. Just generic CGI clutter. Same with Justice League, Aquaman, Black Adam, Birds of Prey, and the Snyder films.

They try too hard to copy Marvel when they should be blazing their own trails. Let the characters breathe a little bit so that when the action does hit, it hits hard. Marvel is going through some fatigue with their formulaic approach.

DC would be wise to try a different tact. I think Gunn realizes this - Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad were crisp, unique, and good to look at.

   The Snyder films tried their best to NOT copy marvel. Everything else tried like heck and MOSTLY failed.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: dannyboy35 on May 09, 2023, 09:39:46 AM

I know what he means about DC films, though.  The film style itself seems more washed out and detached than Marvel movies.  They're less personal, and a lot of that is the direction itself.

Some of that is due to the natures of the superheroes themselves.   Superman has Godlike power levels.   Batman has serious mental issues.   Wonder woman is a  part of mythology.    Thor is played for jokes IMHO
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   I thought Snyder’s way of using the characters was not only much different but smart. They’re gods. They’re not like the marvel heroes , MOSTLY. So he treated that way and used the world more as a character in the first two films. How the world would react etc.
  DC shoukd have always just accepted you cannot make Marvel money . For 1 , Marvel was first and captured the normies. But also , Snyder’s depiction was NOT for kids at all. BVS UE has Superman impaling himself further to save the world. That’s not for really little kids. You’re not going to get the families coming together.
   They still would have got their beloved billion if they released the whole movie in theatres and not cut it short weeks early overseas but they there was such a power struggle with people like Geoff Johns and treating people horribly ( Josh Whedon) .
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: johnnygreen on June 16, 2023, 10:12:55 AM
The Flash was easily my most anticipated movie of the year, so my expectations were very high going in. To my delight, The Flash exceeded everything I could have hoped for. The movie delivered a great blend of action, suspense, comedy, and a truly heartbreaking moment. As for the comedic moments, they weren't just jokes, but mostly related to Ezra Miller's delivery. Speaking of Ezra, he was great in his dual role. The cameos were great too. I saw this in IMAX last night, and will be seeing it again tomorrow. To say this is one of DC's best movies is an injustice. It's one of the best comic book movies overall. I truly can not wait to see this again and again.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 16, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
Geoff Johns wrote Flashpoint, and he is one of the better modern writers in my opinion.   I think this movie is based off that story.   What Geoff did to Batman's dad in the comics was amazing stuff, trying to spoil.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2024, 03:21:02 PM
Echo was really, really bad.  It might be time to focus on telling good stories with good characters again, instead of focusing on identity politics and representation.

Vincent D'Onofrio was great as usual, but was wasted.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Amonkey on January 18, 2024, 03:43:42 PM
Echo was really, really bad.  It might be time to focus on telling good stories with good characters again, instead of focusing on identity politics and representation.

Vincent D'Onofrio was great as usual, but was wasted.

There were parts that weren't so bad but I wished they focused more on the action. The actors outside of the main character weren't bad either. Although it would have been more of regular superhero movie, but the little cousin was underused as comedic relief. The worst part is that the main character, Echo, was an incredibly horrible actress. Her expression was completely the same for everything. If she is going to be mute, which I understand it's a real thing, they should have found an actress that can act out more with eyes and expressions. I also think she looks way too much like Rosa from Brooklyn 99.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 18, 2024, 04:15:59 PM
Echo was really, really bad.  It might be time to focus on telling good stories with good characters again, instead of focusing on identity politics and representation.

Vincent D'Onofrio was great as usual, but was wasted.

There were parts that weren't so bad but I wished they focused more on the action. The actors outside of the main character weren't bad either. Although it would have been more of regular superhero movie, but the little cousin was underused as comedic relief. The worst part is that the main character, Echo, was an incredibly horrible actress. Her expression was completely the same for everything. If she is going to be mute, which I understand it's a real thing, they should have found an actress that can act out more with eyes and expressions. I also think she looks way too much like Rosa from Brooklyn 99.
well she is actually a deaf amputee and Native American. So they kept that part authentic
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Amonkey on January 18, 2024, 04:54:59 PM
Echo was really, really bad.  It might be time to focus on telling good stories with good characters again, instead of focusing on identity politics and representation.

Vincent D'Onofrio was great as usual, but was wasted.

There were parts that weren't so bad but I wished they focused more on the action. The actors outside of the main character weren't bad either. Although it would have been more of regular superhero movie, but the little cousin was underused as comedic relief. The worst part is that the main character, Echo, was an incredibly horrible actress. Her expression was completely the same for everything. If she is going to be mute, which I understand it's a real thing, they should have found an actress that can act out more with eyes and expressions. I also think she looks way too much like Rosa from Brooklyn 99.
well she is actually a deaf amputee and Native American. So they kept that part authentic

I agree and the Native American story part was interesting, although I didn't really understand her power. I thought that part was good, the first fight was cool, the bowling scene was pretty good and she did seem like a good fighter. I have no problem with that at all. It's just the acting itself was really bland. At the end, I didn't have any special connection with her character at all. Some other characters like the Black Widow's sister, the new arrow girl for example, they were good actress that brought something memorable to their role. Her was just meh.
Title: Re: Superhero/Comics Movie Thread
Post by: Moranis on January 19, 2024, 08:14:58 AM
Echo was really, really bad.  It might be time to focus on telling good stories with good characters again, instead of focusing on identity politics and representation.

Vincent D'Onofrio was great as usual, but was wasted.

There were parts that weren't so bad but I wished they focused more on the action. The actors outside of the main character weren't bad either. Although it would have been more of regular superhero movie, but the little cousin was underused as comedic relief. The worst part is that the main character, Echo, was an incredibly horrible actress. Her expression was completely the same for everything. If she is going to be mute, which I understand it's a real thing, they should have found an actress that can act out more with eyes and expressions. I also think she looks way too much like Rosa from Brooklyn 99.
well she is actually a deaf amputee and Native American. So they kept that part authentic

I agree and the Native American story part was interesting, although I didn't really understand her power. I thought that part was good, the first fight was cool, the bowling scene was pretty good and she did seem like a good fighter. I have no problem with that at all. It's just the acting itself was really bland. At the end, I didn't have any special connection with her character at all. Some other characters like the Black Widow's sister, the new arrow girl for example, they were good actress that brought something memorable to their role. Her was just meh.
I think most of that is because she is deaf.